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| 04:09.19 | cosmopolitan | hello, all :) |
| 04:17.08 | greeniekin | hey |
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| 04:28.06 | iamaregee | hey all!! |
| 04:28.11 | greeniekin | hello |
| 04:28.33 | iamaregee | I am applying to GSOC for the first time... |
| 04:28.40 | cosmopolitan | same here |
| 04:28.46 | cosmopolitan | hope i am skilled enough |
| 04:29.07 | iamaregee | and all the programming i've done yet is all those mathematical logics and similar |
| 04:29.20 | iamaregee | as taught to us in the High School ... |
| 04:29.49 | greeniekin | thats mostly all there is to programming |
| 04:30.04 | greeniekin | So what project are you applying for? |
| 04:30.24 | iamaregee | will that suffice for getting down and dirty with real world problems |
| 04:30.40 | iamaregee | well i haven't decided yet.. |
| 04:31.00 | iamaregee | well btw ..is the list of projects out already ??? |
| 04:31.02 | greeniekin | iamaregee: depends on the problem and language |
| 04:31.48 | greeniekin | I don't think so. Though if you look at last years you will see what projects they favor. Wine has GSOC ideas page already up |
| 04:33.54 | greeniekin | iamaregee: just take into account your skills when choosing a project. You will learn alot by doing it though. |
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| 04:37.18 | cosmopolitan | i was thinking of applying for Boost, since i just finished a course in Advanced Data Structures and Algorithms, but after i looked at the web site, it looks like you pretty much have to have intimate knowledge of C++ |
| 04:37.22 | cosmopolitan | which makes sense when you think about it |
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| 04:41.33 | cosmopolitan | why does it take so long for stuff to become standardized in C++? |
| 04:45.48 | ojwb | true for most standards |
| 04:46.01 | ojwb | the cost of getting it wrong can be pretty high I guess |
| 04:47.00 | cosmopolitan | well i realize that being under the proprietary hat of a large corporation, like Google, can make a lot of difference, but i just notice that Java gets updated very frequently, as do the Android APIs |
| 04:47.08 | cosmopolitan | Python gets an update fairly frequently |
| 04:47.49 | ojwb | Python's doesn't have an ISO standard though |
| 04:48.13 | ojwb | not sure exactly what Java has, but it's more under the control of sun/oracle I think |
| 04:48.57 | cosmopolitan | oh, i see, yeah i suppose going through a monolithic standards organization is a lot more complicated than just coming to a consensus within your own company |
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| 08:16.26 | kai | mithro: hey there |
| 08:17.27 | thebolt | hi kai |
| 08:19.03 | kai | hey thebolt |
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| 08:20.03 | thebolt | how's things? |
| 08:20.45 | kai | fine, got the office all by myself for the rest of the week |
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| 08:22.45 | thebolt | nice |
| 08:23.48 | kai | in half an hour or so, my boss just showed up again before leaving :) |
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| 08:31.51 | thebolt | kai: nice.. i got almost zero work done today.. |
| 08:32.15 | thebolt | kai: first part of my work day was 01:30-04:10.. (then 10:30-12, got two mails sent or so) |
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| 08:35.00 | kai | yikes. why did you start in the middle of the night? |
| 08:35.32 | thebolt | we have a demo of some stuff in europe, my boss is leaving today swedish time |
| 08:35.51 | thebolt | and it was the only chance to get the last touches done to make sure it works in the installation over there |
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| 08:36.12 | thebolt | ie actual physical testing of stuff located in sweden |
| 08:36.24 | kai | thebolt: ah, yeah, sounds familiar |
| 08:37.16 | kai | only done that for europe<->california, but yeah, getting up in the middle of the night tends to cramp your style |
| 08:37.19 | thebolt | (alternative would be to do it well now, but i have a date in an hour and some.. so decided to take the night shift instead) |
| 08:37.38 | thebolt | europe<>ca and europe<>taiwan is about the same time difference |
| 08:37.44 | kai | yeah |
| 08:38.31 | kai | actually, during my first GSoC, I had to coordinate with my mentor in california and andrew bartlett from the samba team helping me on the samba side from australia |
| 08:38.43 | kai | that was a fun few night shifts |
| 08:38.50 | thebolt | :) |
| 08:39.34 | kai | worked out pretty well actually, given how far apart the three of us were |
| 08:40.09 | kai | I had more problems contacting my 2007 mentor who lives in the same country and timezone as I do |
| 08:40.38 | kai | arguably he's on a much more regular schedule now that he's done with university and got a real job :) |
| 08:41.06 | thebolt | hehe :) |
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| 09:21.26 | kai | oh drat |
| 09:21.43 | kai | turns off his windows vm |
| 09:21.53 | kai | stupid platform |
| 09:22.24 | kai | no decent python, no package management system, how are you supposed to get any work done on there |
| 09:24.27 | thiago_home | don't forget the horrible shell |
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| 09:26.13 | mlankhorst | kai: Sync changes to it through your samba domain controller? |
| 09:26.38 | mlankhorst | winxp was the last version I managed to work with, win2k was the best working one for me |
| 09:28.50 | thebolt | i never used vista, but windows 7 is nice imo |
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| 09:30.41 | mlankhorst | win2k :) |
| 09:31.46 | mlankhorst | *remembers being so sad when he had to downgrade to xp* |
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| 09:57.44 | kai | mlankhorst: won't help if I need compiled modules for python |
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| 17:14.12 | summerstudent | Hello, I just have a quick question is GSOC available for canadian students? Or is it currently limited to american students only? |
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| 17:15.25 | gevaerts | And I thought Canadians were Americans? |
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| 17:16.29 | summerstudent | thanks, I'm really interested in seeing if arch linux will be one of the mentoring organizations |
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| 17:17.12 | summerstudent | Most of the main developers live close to me so it would be ideal |
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| 23:00.56 | owst | Is there any precedent for gsoc students starting a couple of weeks late? Exams at my uni don't finish until the first week of June... |
| 23:01.23 | gevaerts | owst: such constraints aren't new |
| 23:02.03 | dberkholz | owst: the most important part is to make sure you bring it up and explain how you'll deal with it so it's not a handicap relative to other students |
| 23:02.18 | gevaerts | Often people with such issues start earlier, during the community bonding period, and work part-time on gsoc while university is still ongoing |
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| 23:03.01 | owst | gavaerts: Interesting, it's something I'll look into. I'm going to be going from Masters -> PhD this summer so I'm looking for something productive to do with my summer :) |
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| 23:03.55 | dberkholz | people really hate being surprised by that kind of thing after accepting a student |
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| 23:04.19 | dberkholz | another classic is the 2- to 3-week unannounced family vacation in the middle of the summer |
| 23:04.24 | owst | dberkholz: I can imagine, it's not something I'm looking to hide ;) |
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| 23:04.50 | dberkholz | wonder if anyone's ever written about gsoc student antipatterns |
| 23:05.07 | gevaerts | That could be fun |
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| 23:05.59 | tsmith | owst: what sort of phD? |
| 23:06.18 | owst | tsmith: Computer Science (I'm assuming that's what you meant...) |
| 23:06.26 | tsmith | yep. |
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| 23:07.17 | tsmith | are you trying to become a teacher? |
| 23:07.31 | owst | It's not my aim. |
| 23:08.00 | owst | Looking to go into language design/implementation of some description. |
| 23:08.19 | tsmith | hmm interesting |
| 23:09.01 | owst | I'm in the UK, if that makes it more/less interesting... |
| 23:09.18 | tsmith | less |
| 23:09.27 | tsmith | :p |
| 23:09.29 | owst | Ok :( :p |
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| 23:13.46 | SCD101 | Does anyone else here hate C's error messages and then cry when gdb is no help ? D: |
| 23:15.57 | thiago_home | yes |
| 23:16.09 | thiago_home | some C++ error messages are worse |
| 23:16.44 | thiago_home | "ambiguous overload", followed by 20 options, but it doesn't tell me what the types searched were |
| 23:19.17 | SCD101 | thiago_home, "Segmentation fault" is the worst |
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