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| 04:08.03 | dskw | hi.. u dont happen to be the eugene who hangs out on the security-77 mailing list? |
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| 04:14.33 | socketguru | hello room |
| 04:15.04 | dskw | hi |
| 04:16.40 | socketguru | what's your expertise? |
| 04:17.19 | dskw | me? |
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| 04:20.10 | eugene | dskw: yes |
| 04:20.55 | eugene | dskw: do I know you? |
| 04:20.57 | dskw | @eugene oh ok. dominic here. not sure if you still remember me :) |
| 04:21.21 | eugene | dskw: I remember you. We corresponded before. |
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| 04:29.39 | dskw | @eugene Is your company getting students for gsoc this summer? Just wondering.. |
| 04:30.01 | eugene | dskw: actually I might be applying as a student ;) |
| 04:30.23 | eugene | dskw: I think Fedora is applying to be a mentoring org. I'm not sure, wasn't involved. |
| 04:30.35 | dskw | i see ;) |
| 04:35.06 | eugene | dskw: which modules are you taking this semester |
| 04:36.18 | dskw | parallel programming, systems security, verification of critical systems, algo, corporate finance |
| 04:36.20 | dskw | yup |
| 04:36.38 | eugene | dskw: 5 in your final semester? so many.. |
| 04:36.45 | dskw | yea |
| 04:36.48 | dskw | not doing fyp |
| 04:37.04 | eugene | dskw: I think systems security is more interesting last semester. |
| 04:37.16 | eugene | s/is/was/ |
| 04:37.19 | dskw | how come? |
| 04:37.29 | eugene | dskw: it was taught by another prof |
| 04:37.36 | dskw | prof liang? |
| 04:37.40 | eugene | dskw: no exams, project based. I did some interesting work on android. |
| 04:38.10 | dskw | ic.. |
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| 09:11.27 | aghisla | hi all! angie byron started programming with GSoC: http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/interview-angie-byron-drupal |
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| 11:44.27 | karni | !next |
| 11:44.27 | socinfo | karni: "next" is February 28, 19:00 UTC: Mentoring organizations can begin submitting applications to Google. |
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| 12:45.42 | yano | \o/ |
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| 12:52.05 | iamaregee2 | but usuing "\n" is not working ... |
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| 12:55.06 | iamaregee2 | sorry ...was meant 2 be posted in diff channel ... |
| 12:55.18 | iamaregee2 | learning python for GSOC .. : ) |
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| 12:56.25 | milki | cool |
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| 13:26.03 | bear | trying to figure out why I can submit our org app and realize that it doesn't start till 1900 - doh! |
| 13:28.27 | |Kev| | I could have told you that :) |
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| 13:44.31 | dulotie | no discussion? hehe |
| 13:44.36 | sfb | ~timeline |
| 13:44.46 | sfb | !timeline |
| 13:44.46 | socinfo | sfb: "timeline" is http://goo.gl/0lYPz |
| 13:45.12 | kai | hey sfb |
| 13:45.33 | sfb | kai: Hi, I was just responding to Erik's email. |
| 13:45.38 | sfb | kai: I think it's a great idea. |
| 13:45.40 | thebolt | hi kai |
| 13:45.44 | bear | I was trying to be *ahead* of my task list this morning |Kev| but even that failed this fine monday morning ;) |
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| 13:47.27 | kai | sfb: yeah, more exposure is a good thing |
| 13:47.40 | kai | and more game projects always is a plus :D |
| 13:47.48 | kai | hey thebolt |
| 13:48.12 | thebolt | how's things? |
| 13:49.35 | sfb | kai: I'm going to try and finish polishing up but I don't anticipate applying today. It'll probably be tomorrow. |
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| 13:55.27 | iamaregee2 | can ne one help me wid this prog ?? Python.. |
| 13:55.30 | iamaregee2 | http://paste.pound-python.org/show/3500/ |
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| 13:59.22 | kai | sfb: same here, got an important work deadline today, I'm busy :) |
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| 14:11.53 | dberkholz | we'll probably apply toward the end, to allow more time for ideas to flow in and encourage us to spend some time planning more program improvements |
| 14:12.35 | ojwb | can you edit the application form up to the deadline? |
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| 14:17.20 | dberkholz | not the final word on this, but i think you can although you essentially re-submit it and overwrite the previous one every time you save changes |
| 14:17.29 | dberkholz | rather than truly saving an unsubmitted draft |
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| 14:20.27 | ojwb | yeah, that sounds familiar |
| 14:22.18 | kai | ojwb: the notable difference is that the first draft already needs to look valid to the melange checker |
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| 14:23.15 | ojwb | kai: yeah, that's the part that sounds familiar |
| 14:23.37 | ojwb | I remember writing "todo" in a number of required fields to shut it up |
| 14:25.14 | kai | :) |
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| 15:57.04 | dberkholz | so, i just turned a random support request to me into a gsoc recruitment email to a potential new female contributor. |
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| 15:58.06 | dskw | lol |
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| 16:14.37 | socketguru | hi all |
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| 16:42.46 | vijaybarve | Good morning |
| 16:43.14 | dskw | hi |
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| 16:44.37 | dulotie | dskw, dont need to sleep? hhha |
| 16:46.13 | sol0 | dulotie, agree dude.. |
| 16:46.58 | dskw | lol |
| 16:47.08 | dulotie | sol0, from where?haha |
| 16:47.08 | dskw | still feeling awake, so should be hanging around a little longer |
| 16:47.15 | dulotie | i see |
| 16:47.33 | sol0 | India |
| 16:47.37 | sol0 | you? |
| 16:47.40 | dulotie | i see |
| 16:47.46 | dulotie | malaysia |
| 16:47.47 | dulotie | haha |
| 16:47.48 | vijaybarve | Today the organisation applications start |
| 16:48.14 | dulotie | vijaybarve, applying this year? as mentor or student? |
| 16:48.31 | vijaybarve | as student |
| 16:48.36 | dulotie | nice |
| 16:48.36 | vijaybarve | what about you ? |
| 16:48.50 | dulotie | student |
| 16:48.54 | dulotie | haha |
| 16:48.55 | vijaybarve | cool |
| 16:49.00 | dulotie | all the best man |
| 16:49.03 | sol0 | hey guys, i want some basic and simple project.. any field will do.. any suggestions?? |
| 16:49.10 | vijaybarve | for you too |
| 16:49.28 | dulotie | sol0, not sure man, this will be my first year |
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| 16:49.36 | vijaybarve | sol0 it depends on individual skillset |
| 16:49.53 | dulotie | vijaybarve, applied before? |
| 16:49.57 | sol0 | any field will do.. |
| 16:49.57 | vijaybarve | nope |
| 16:50.01 | sol0 | u seggest me |
| 16:50.03 | vijaybarve | what about you ? |
| 16:50.10 | dulotie | bope, first year |
| 16:50.17 | vijaybarve | sol0 depends on what you already know |
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| 16:50.49 | dulotie | sol0, projects from moinmoin seems nice |
| 16:50.50 | sol0 | i will learn immediately.. that's what gsoc is for.. |
| 16:50.51 | vijaybarve | like C++, Java, ... |
| 16:51.04 | sol0 | i know c,c++,c#,java,shell |
| 16:51.04 | vijaybarve | that is true |
| 16:51.13 | vijaybarve | nice |
| 16:51.20 | vijaybarve | then you have lot of choices I feel |
| 16:51.52 | sol0 | suggest dude |
| 16:51.58 | mayanks43 | try linux orgs |
| 16:51.59 | sol0 | this is my first time |
| 16:52.10 | sol0 | like?? kde? |
| 16:52.13 | mayanks43 | yup |
| 16:52.17 | mayanks43 | gentoo |
| 16:52.24 | mayanks43 | debian |
| 16:52.25 | vijaybarve | sol0 have you seen the list of organisations likely to apply ? |
| 16:52.28 | aghisla | if you don't have preferences, pick one at random :) |
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| 16:52.53 | sol0 | hmmmm |
| 16:52.53 | dulotie | i dont think picking 1 at random will have you go in gsoc |
| 16:53.00 | mayanks43 | yup |
| 16:53.06 | dskw | yea |
| 16:53.07 | mayanks43 | skillset should match |
| 16:53.09 | dulotie | it has to be something u r pationate about and interest u |
| 16:53.11 | |Kev| | sol0: Either wait until the projects are announced, and do whatever excites you, or look at the previous orgs, see if they intend to apply and what they propose this year. |
| 16:53.12 | sol0 | dulotie, i agree you |
| 16:53.15 | vijaybarve | true, think do not try to pick random |
| 16:53.47 | mayanks43 | https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AgfaVN-Bzcp0dDNkS1ZETEU0UzVlYmNVTFdpaW4zZXc&hl=en&pli=1#gid=0 |
| 16:53.52 | mayanks43 | try this |
| 16:53.53 | vijaybarve | one needs to get involved with some organisation right off I feel |
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| 16:54.03 | vijaybarve | something that interests and one uses |
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| 16:54.20 | sol0 | mayank, thanks man |
| 16:54.27 | mayanks43 | ;) |
| 16:54.28 | dulotie | i got interest, but am afriad that i do not have the skills |
| 16:54.30 | aghisla | i was kidding :) i agree with following one's interests |
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| 16:55.15 | vijaybarve | it will be a good learning experiance I feel for all of us |
| 16:55.30 | dulotie | haha, all the best guys |
| 16:55.41 | vijaybarve | mayanks43 student or mentor ? |
| 16:55.55 | mayanks43 | student :) |
| 16:56.00 | dulotie | mayanks43, applied before? |
| 16:56.04 | vijaybarve | nice |
| 16:56.07 | |Kev| | When you approach a mentor org, please don't use text speak, first impressions count. |
| 16:56.07 | mayanks43 | last year :P |
| 16:56.18 | dulotie | which project? |
| 16:56.26 | mayanks43 | limesurvey |
| 16:56.33 | vijaybarve | wow |
| 16:56.42 | vijaybarve | Limesurvey is an interesting one |
| 16:56.49 | dulotie | nice, |Kev| , what do u mean by text speak? |
| 16:56.55 | |Kev| | 'u' |
| 16:56.59 | gevaerts | |Kev|: awww, you're warning people against one of our filters! How are we going to do decent selection now? :) |
| 16:57.10 | dulotie | oh... |
| 16:57.12 | dulotie | ok |
| 16:57.12 | dskw | lol |
| 16:57.13 | dulotie | haha |
| 16:57.16 | dulotie | sorry about that |
| 16:57.23 | vijaybarve | use complete language and not short forms etc. in initital emails ? |
| 16:57.23 | sol0 | ha ha ha... gevaerts, nice one!! |
| 16:57.32 | |Kev| | gevaerts: My sanity counts 4 more than ur filters, sry. srsly. |
| 16:58.01 | mayanks43 | is lol allowed? |
| 16:58.11 | dskw | dont think so |
| 16:58.12 | |Kev| | Use your best discretion :) |
| 16:58.12 | gevaerts | points out that ur is now called Tell el-Mukayyar |
| 16:58.14 | kai | not if you want to apply for python ;) |
| 16:58.18 | dberkholz | i wonder if i should just add an /ignore for any phrases with 3 or more consonants in a row |
| 16:58.29 | vijaybarve | :D |
| 16:58.37 | |Kev| | I don't see any situation in which spending time to craft proper sentences won't be time well spent. |
| 16:58.48 | gevaerts | dberkholz: so "phrase" is now disallowed? :) |
| 16:58.50 | mayanks43 | :P |
| 16:58.52 | |Kev| | dberkholz: Such anti-Welsh racism. |
| 16:59.05 | dberkholz | gevaerts: well, there's clearly room for optimization =) |
| 16:59.08 | socketguru | myank43 where are you from? |
| 16:59.22 | mayanks43 | lets keep tht out of mainchat :) |
| 16:59.29 | gevaerts | also doesn't like his name being discriminated against! |
| 16:59.30 | mayanks43 | pm me if you wanna talk |
| 16:59.30 | dberkholz | it would also have the unfortunate side effect of ignoring your nick entirely |
| 16:59.32 | socketguru | why? |
| 16:59.35 | socketguru | k |
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| 16:59.38 | kai | dberkholz: a blacklist probably works for now |
| 17:02.21 | sol0 | are smileys allowed? :p |
| 17:02.34 | dulotie | haha |
| 17:02.41 | mayanks43 | they are |
| 17:02.44 | mayanks43 | i assume |
| 17:02.57 | gevaerts | Don't end every line with a smiley though |
| 17:02.59 | |Kev| | I have no problem with non-excessive use of (real) smilies. |
| 17:03.01 | mayanks43 | but not sms language |
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| 17:03.36 | gevaerts | 's sms language is just fine on irc! |
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| 17:04.16 | madarve | Is there any list of mentoring organizations that are planning on applying this summer? |
| 17:04.31 | megansquire | you don't know who's applying until they apply! |
| 17:04.38 | megansquire | and every organization might not get picked. |
| 17:05.02 | mayanks43 | madarve you can scroll up to check out a link |
| 17:05.13 | |Kev| | I rather imagine that [insert favourite search engine here]ing for 'organization apply gsoc 2011' or similar would help. |
| 17:05.19 | akashm1990 | mayanks43: can I guess? Bits Pilani Goa campus? |
| 17:05.27 | kai | cracks a whip at the OBS publisher daemon |
| 17:05.32 | mayanks43 | akash on pm plz |
| 17:05.34 | madarve | yeah but most of them publish that they're willing to in their blogs. |
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| 17:06.20 | gevaerts | Many people don't blog at all though |
| 17:06.57 | |Kev| | It's a useful heuristic, though. |
| 17:07.23 | dberkholz | the safest assumption for now is looking at last year's orgs. since gsoc is expanding this year, there will definitely be new ones but i'm guessing most old ones will stick around. |
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| 17:08.58 | gevaerts | would be surprised if any blog would say anything about rockbox applying in 2011 |
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| 17:09.51 | kai | we'll certainly blog about it if we're accepted |
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| 17:10.11 | |Kev| | The XSF has blogged about applying this year, for what it's worth. |
| 17:10.51 | gevaerts | We got as far as irc. Blogs are still too new and uncertain for us to use :) |
| 17:10.56 | |Kev| | :) |
| 17:11.05 | dberkholz | i'l probably stick up a blog post pretty soon, looking for yet more project ideas |
| 17:11.17 | dberkholz | i'll*. but that'll be the first one |
| 17:11.36 | |Kev| | I guess life's a bit different for project vs. umbrella orgs. |
| 17:11.56 | |Kev| | We have to get the projects within the community to put up their ideas etc. |
| 17:12.19 | gevaerts | will ask people for more ideas too |
| 17:12.41 | dberkholz | sure, i've already posted to mailing lists. most of our developers don't read blogs so that's not the best place to reach them |
| 17:12.55 | Egoryan | so students should wait until march 18? |
| 17:13.21 | |Kev| | Most devs (I guess) read http://planet.jabber.org in their feedreaders, so I guess they'll see blog posts. |
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| 17:14.05 | mayanks43 | no Egoryan |
| 17:14.22 | gevaerts | Egoryan: not really, no. You should be asking organisations you're interested in if they will apply, then hope they will get accepted, and if not switch your interests. If you pick more than one now, you should have a reasonable chance of getting one that's selected |
| 17:15.15 | Egoryan | thx, but as soon as i understood there is no list of organisations so far? |
| 17:15.34 | gevaerts | no, but there's a list of organisations that were selected last year |
| 17:15.58 | dberkholz | http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2010 |
| 17:16.01 | gevaerts | And you can still ask other organisations if they will apply |
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| 17:16.24 | Egoryan | oh, ok thx a lot |
| 17:16.36 | gevaerts | And seriously, if you do things that way you can get a decent head start, while the worst that can happen is that you end up no worse than having started on the 18th |
| 17:17.14 | dberkholz | feel free to consider gentoo. =) |
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| 17:17.38 | |Kev| | In the best (and most likely) case, you get to submit a simple patch to some org before the application period for students starts, and you can point to it in your applications. |
| 17:17.48 | gevaerts | dberkholz: what an interesting idea! |
| 17:18.17 | dberkholz | hmm? |
| 17:18.48 | gevaerts | never actually tried gentoo, so he's in the camp of those people who laugh at it without really knowing why :) |
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| 17:19.18 | dberkholz | it's good for perfectionists, developers, and anyone else who needs heavily customized systems (embedded, hardened, etc) |
| 17:21.22 | gevaerts | Have the mindless optimisation flag setters gone now? |
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| 17:21.51 | Skish | hi |
| 17:22.07 | Skish | whois s0l0 |
| 17:22.07 | saurb | some one posted an unofficial list of organisations taking part this year at : http://goo.gl/rq0dw |
| 17:22.11 | |Kev| | I was vaguely amused when I complained to one of the Gentoo team about my machine being trashed by a bad set of package updates and got told "Oh, we don't want people to use it, it's just there for us to experiment with". |
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| 17:23.20 | gevaerts | |Kev|: maintaining software at a user-expected quality level is *lots* of work! |
| 17:24.02 | |Kev| | gevaerts: Sure. I just never expected to get told by a Gentoo team-person that they didn't want people to use Gentoo! |
| 17:24.44 | |Kev| | Perhaps I'm just the type of user no-one wants :) |
| 17:25.42 | gevaerts | |Kev|: I can understand the feeling. While in rockbox we really don't like things crashing for users, we're also quite happy to ignore users when they think some UI bit isn't done right. Many people tend not to understand that we primarily develop the thing because we want it to work for *us* |
| 17:26.28 | |Kev| | gevaerts: Right. There are projects like that, and there are projects made because they want people to use them. I'm just sometimes surprised to find which is which. |
| 17:26.40 | gevaerts | And while we all want more developers, the opinions on whether we want more users are more divided |
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| 17:26.53 | |Kev| | Not everyone wants more devs, either :) |
| 17:27.26 | |Kev| | (Granted, everyone in GSoC presumably does) |
| 17:28.32 | gevaerts | The fun thing in rockbox is that we get new developers every now and then who worked for months on a port to a new player without ever having really used rockbox first |
| 17:28.54 | gevaerts | So it's not even always true that developers are users first :) |
| 17:29.06 | kai | |Kev|: well, users are annoying. they keep finding bugs by using your software |
| 17:29.18 | kai | ;) |
| 17:29.47 | |Kev| | More than I'd like. |
| 17:29.51 | sfb | Bug, feature... |
| 17:30.00 | sfb | It's all in the eye of the beholder. |
| 17:30.19 | kai | sfb: but I need to document the bugs in order to turn them into features.. ;) |
| 17:30.45 | kai | in any case, why is that stupid package still not published? meh... |
| 17:30.55 | sfb | What package? |
| 17:31.13 | dberkholz | gevaerts: nah, they're still around. our typical user path for non-developers is "ooh, i can rice things out!" followed by "oh crap, that broke everything. i'll start over." and eventually they become a regular user |
| 17:31.55 | kai | sfb: I've built a package I need for an installer on the opensuse build service, and it's stuck in "finished" status for half an hour already |
| 17:32.21 | gevaerts | dberkholz: you mean they become people you don't actually want? :) |
| 17:32.49 | dberkholz | i should've qualified that. a regular gentoo user |
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| 17:33.06 | dberkholz | the same kind of people who work on cars in their garages |
| 17:33.08 | gevaerts | I'm just extrapolating from what |Kev| said :) |
| 17:33.13 | kai | gevaerts: I guess they need to work on the user experience a bit more. needs more rocks in it ;) |
| 17:33.26 | dberkholz | or who build their own computers |
| 17:34.01 | |Kev| | I think I'm getting old. |
| 17:34.06 | kai | yeah |
| 17:34.18 | |Kev| | I don't want to build my own computers any more, I just want them to come pre-assembled. |
| 17:34.29 | dberkholz | are you to the point of building ships in a bottle yet? |
| 17:34.31 | |Kev| | I always do, because the other option tends to suck, but I'd like not to :) |
| 17:35.01 | |Kev| | Very very tempted for my next PC to be from one of these places that puts it together for you from the same sorts of bits you'd use yourself. |
| 17:35.11 | kai | dberkholz: I hope somebody shoots me before I get to that point.. unless it's cool, animatronic ships |
| 17:35.22 | |Kev| | kai: That transform into Autobots. |
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| 17:36.29 | gevaerts | I guess we get all sorts. We get users who add more RAM to their portable audio players, and users who get stuck because they keep formatting the things as ntfs |
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| 17:37.36 | gevaerts | used to build his own computers, and he once built a ship in a bottle (although the bottle had a fairly wide neck, and the ship was rather simple) |
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| 17:38.30 | thebolt | well, that is relatively minor bugs still.. i am still trying to figure out the best way to develop software where a small bug can mean that you send your device straight into the ground, taking with it your clients camera gear (costing 10k euro, or more.. device as expensive or more), potentially hurting people etc |
| 17:39.23 | gevaerts | thebolt: well, at least your bugs are *newsworthy* then :) |
| 17:39.42 | thebolt | gevaerts: and many of then will get "critical" or "blocker" status in our bugtracker :P |
| 17:40.30 | dberkholz | thebolt: write in ada, of course |
| 17:42.10 | thebolt | dberkholz: parts cannot be ada.. and well, problem is I don't know ADA, so question is if badly written ADA is better or worse than well written something else (probably C) |
| 17:42.31 | |Kev| | C is an interesting choice for something mission-critical. |
| 17:42.44 | |Kev| | To that extent, anyway. |
| 17:42.53 | thebolt | well, for parts of our device there pretty much only is C or assembly yto choose between |
| 17:43.00 | dberkholz | ada has provable correctness, which is a nice feature for that kind of thing |
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| 17:43.01 | thebolt | (ie only compilers that exists) |
| 17:43.04 | kai | |Kev|: I'd pick C over assembly every day |
| 17:43.07 | |Kev| | Sure. |
| 17:43.12 | |Kev| | Any sane person would. |
| 17:43.12 | thebolt | dberkholz: i know, but still |
| 17:43.17 | |Kev| | And most who aren't even taht. |
| 17:43.22 | |Kev| | +spelling |
| 17:44.17 | dberkholz | you could probably do something similar with haskell/ocaml |
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| 17:48.11 | kai | dberkholz: tends to be hard to do on uC |
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| 18:03.53 | carols | serves tea and coffee |
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| 18:04.20 | gevaerts | grabs some tea before going home :) |
| 18:04.44 | Waren | yop |
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| 18:06.07 | kai | hey carols |
| 18:06.18 | carols | hey kai |
| 18:06.40 | kai | carols: sorry for not having done the GCI wrap-up I promised recently, but work hit with some deadlines |
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| 18:06.56 | carols | kai: oh, no worries. i know what its like to get busy with other stuff :-) |
| 18:07.23 | kai | still on my to-do list once that paper is submitted and the GSoC applications are in :) |
| 18:07.28 | gevaerts | How was Barcelona? |
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| 18:16.28 | carols | gevaerts: barcelona was beautiful. loved that city |
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| 18:24.26 | eoc|uni | carols: hey; are you very busy with preparations or may I bother you with a question regarding our soc application? :) |
| 18:24.46 | carols | eoc|uni: you can ask your question, that's what i'm here for. |
| 18:26.08 | eoc|uni | we are a rather small game and thus plan to also add some ideas to improve the performance of our engine, which however is a different project and written in a different language. they are not planning to apply as own organisation -- we could however outsource like two ideas for their two mentors and help them as well |
| 18:26.26 | eoc|uni | is there anything I should be aware of in particular when submitting this? |
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| 18:36.48 | gevaerts | carols: nice :) Yes, I wouldn't mind going back there for a bit |
| 18:37.41 | carols | eoc|uni: i dont think i understand the question. you're saying you want to apply as two separate projects? |
| 18:37.52 | carols | sorry, im jetlagged so things aren't making much sense to me right now :-P |
| 18:38.25 | |Kev| | I think eoc|uni is saying that one project wants to apply, but one proposal may mean mentoring code that belongs to another project. |
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| 18:38.38 | eoc|uni | what |Kev| said, thanks (: |
| 18:39.09 | |Kev| | Like a teenytiny umbrella org :) |
| 18:39.23 | eoc|uni | heh, very tiny |
| 18:39.25 | eoc|uni | this 'other project' being the actual engine of our game |
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| 18:42.32 | carols | eoc|uni: ah, i see. thanks |Kev|. Yes, this is fine |
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| 18:43.51 | eoc|uni | okay, thanks a lot for this clarification then (-. |
| 18:44.27 | jbartosik | carols : Do you know if/where I can find GSoC 2008 abstracts? I'd like to read one of them but I can't find it :( |
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| 18:52.18 | aaditya_ | hi coders |
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| 18:52.22 | aaditya_ | hows doing? |
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| 18:53.09 | jbartosik | Not bad at all |
| 18:53.18 | jbartosik | quite good i fact ;) |
| 18:55.33 | aaditya_ | so wht? |
| 18:57.40 | jbartosik | I completed a few things I wanted to |
| 18:57.48 | jbartosik | nothing went bad recently |
| 18:57.53 | jbartosik | and holiday just ended |
| 18:58.00 | jbartosik | which all puts me in good mood. |
| 18:58.11 | jbartosik | And how're you doing ? |
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| 19:19.47 | merlijn | I was wondering, can a GSoC project be made up (for a large part) of non-code work? for this specific case I'm wondering about artwork in a very broad sense |
| 19:19.58 | pygi | no |
| 19:20.07 | |Kev| | I think that's even in the FAQ, isn't it? |
| 19:20.22 | merlijn | I just did a quick read of the FAQ, didn't find it :) |
| 19:20.39 | merlijn | so only code work counts for GSoC? |
| 19:20.56 | pygi | yes |
| 19:20.58 | |Kev| | For the summer of Code? Code's a big part, yes :) |
| 19:21.09 | |Kev| | Projects can have non-coding components, but they're largely coding projects. |
| 19:22.01 | merlijn | okay, fair enough - there goes a couple of ideas :) |
| 19:22.03 | merlijn | thank you |
| 19:22.15 | |Kev| | There has been a FAQ, or similar, in previous years. |
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| 19:22.41 | |Kev| | I haven't tried at length, but I see there isn't anything obvious in this year's FAQ |
| 19:22.42 | merlijn | http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/faqs is what I just finished reading |
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| 19:23.05 | merlijn | nope, but it's been a while since I last took part in GSoC :) |
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| 19:28.48 | dhaun | |Kev|: indirectly, in http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/faqs#documentation |
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| 19:29.19 | dhaun | mostly the bit that says "this program is an exercise in developing code" |
| 19:29.27 | |Kev| | Right, ta :) |
| 19:29.55 | dhaun | I think it was phrased the same in previous years |
| 19:30.15 | |Kev| | merlijn: ^ |
| 19:30.39 | merlijn | "code" is still a bit of a fuzzy term, but that works in my advantage - thank you :) |
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| 19:31.11 | gevaerts | merlijn: I believe the wesnoth people have had an art thing inspired by gsoc in the past. I'm not sure if they still do it |
| 19:31.38 | merlijn | gevaerts: that's interesting - my project is Xonotic which is a first person shooter as well |
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| 20:50.34 | sumanah | I'm glad org administrators can apply! And I'm glad I can save my application and then return to improve it. |
| 20:50.37 | sumanah | Thanks, Google. |
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| 21:11.23 | carols | sumanah: you're welcome. |
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| 21:15.06 | sumanah | carols: so, I'm planning on doing some recruiting to get students to apply. Is there a consortium of GSoC mentoring organizations that coordinates its GSoC student recruiting? |
| 21:15.33 | carols | sumanah: i'm not sure wehat you mean by consortium? each of the orgs recruits students as they see fit |
| 21:17.02 | sumanah | (for example) someone from one FLOSS org who's going to a local college's career fair could advertise GSoC as a whole |
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| 21:17.15 | sumanah | carols: (for example) someone from one FLOSS org who's going to a local college's career fair could advertise GSoC as a whole |
| 21:17.42 | carols | sumanah: yes, please do that. we have been actively encouraging that since the program was announced :-) |
| 21:17.48 | sumanah | carols: as I consider it, I realize I should just be looking for GSoC material to copy & make flyers |
| 21:18.05 | carols | sumanah: it's all available on the wiki. help yourself :-) |
| 21:18.17 | gevaerts | sumanah: I'd expect that the chance of two people going there is minimal, so just grab the flyers from the website and go there :) |
| 21:18.18 | sumanah | carols: yup |
| 21:18.33 | sumanah | gevaerts: don't be so sure! I live in New York City |
| 21:19.04 | gevaerts | sumanah: try it! |
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| 21:19.32 | gevaerts | I'd bet the number of people actually going to various schools and promoting gsoc is not measured in the thousands |
| 21:19.34 | jbartosik | carols : do you know if abstracts from GSoC '08 are available? |
| 21:19.36 | sumanah | gevaerts: I merely mean that, in my case, it is a more substantial chance of duplication of effort |
| 21:19.53 | sumanah | ah, the wiki, http://gsoc-wiki.osuosl.org/ -- I didn't see a link to that from google-melange, just fyi |
| 21:19.57 | gevaerts | sumanah: ok, let's say that in your case it may not be zero :) |
| 21:19.58 | jbartosik | carols : I looked for them and found som (but not on GSoC pages) |
| 21:20.10 | jbartosik | carols : and I didn't find the one I'm looking for |
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| 21:20.50 | jbartosik | carols : in '08 there was a project that would be useful but probably needs rewriting |
| 21:21.13 | jbartosik | carols : I talked to the guy who worked on it, got sources and doc |
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| 21:21.32 | jbartosik | carols : but I'd like to take a loot on the abstract if it's possible |
| 21:21.44 | jbartosik | carols : to get some kind of introduction to his work |
| 21:22.00 | jbartosik | carols : he said he doesn't have the abstract anymore :( |
| 21:22.23 | gevaerts | jbartosik: have you tried the pre-melange site? I can't remember the url now... |
| 21:24.02 | sumanah | carols: I cannot log into http://gsoc-wiki.osuosl.org to add links to https://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/GsocFlyers -- I assume I have to be a GSoC mentor in order to edit? |
| 21:24.12 | carols | jbartosik: we're not hosting the content from pre-2009's projects anymore. it was on code.google.com/soc but its been taken down. if you have a specific project you're looking for i can look it up for you |
| 21:24.17 | gevaerts | jbartosik: which project was it for? |
| 21:24.28 | jbartosik | gevaerts: yes I looked around http://code.google.com/intl/pl/soc/2008/ ad didn't find it |
| 21:24.38 | gevaerts | Ah, ok |
| 21:24.45 | carols | sumanah: you need to be a mentor for the gsoc mentor summit wiki. the second link is where the flyers are, but thats a different wiki |
| 21:25.18 | sumanah | carols: yeah, I'm downloading the flyers now |
| 21:25.25 | jbartosik | carols, gevaerts: project (and name of contributor) are here: http://git.overlays.gentoo.org/gitweb/?p=proj/autotua.git |
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| 21:25.46 | carols | jbartosik: could you please email me? IRC is not a good method through which to get me to do something, unfortunately. |
| 21:26.04 | jbartosik | carols: sure and thanks for help |
| 21:26.35 | jbartosik | carols: I'll lgather everything I found about the project and email you |
| 21:27.28 | gevaerts | jbartosik: does http://web.archive.org/web/20080504124615/code.google.com/soc/2008/gentoo/appinfo.html?csaid=4718E0E515B5040C help? |
| 21:27.41 | ravenlock | hm.. anyone having trouble logging in to melange? |
| 21:28.02 | ravenlock | if I use incorrect pwd, it tells me as much. if I use correct one.... it asks me to sign in again. |
| 21:28.06 | ravenlock | repeatedly |
| 21:28.12 | ravenlock | (cookies enabled) |
| 21:28.39 | ravenlock | oop. one sec. xs trickery here |
| 21:29.20 | ravenlock | nvm got it... must enable cookies for multiple sites. |
| 21:31.11 | jbartosik | gevaerts: Thank you very much, that's it |
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| 21:31.43 | jbartosik | carols: thanks to gevaerts I'll not bother you with my email |
| 21:32.03 | gevaerts | jbartosik: sometimes it helps to remember that there's a world outside google :) |
| 21:33.35 | jbartosik | gevaerts: yeah, I tried archives but with no success (I tried (now dead) link from blog of the student to copy of abstract, but it wasn't there) |
| 21:33.41 | carols | gevaerts: i have trouble remembering this. |
| 21:34.14 | jbartosik | gevaerts: I didn't think to chech archive of GSoC page, I assumed there wouldn't be anything more |
| 21:34.29 | gevaerts | carols: in your case I guess that's understandable :) |
| 21:34.50 | carols | gevaerts: i suppose :-) |
| 21:34.58 | gevaerts | sometimes fondly thinks of the old altavista search in the second half of the nineties... |
| 21:35.46 | jbartosik | goes to Uni activities |
| 21:35.54 | jbartosik | thanks folks and see you later |
| 21:39.41 | carols | gevaerts: i sometimes fondly think of the geocities communities and being a web leader :-) |
| 21:40.18 | gevaerts | carols: those good old days will never come back! |
| 21:41.26 | carols | gevaerts: i know. |
| 21:41.29 | carols | sheds a little tear |
| 21:44.03 | gevaerts | distributes tissues |
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| 21:46.02 | mlankhorst | weee |
| 21:46.09 | dberkholz | geocities? wow. |
| 21:46.27 | |Kev| | Them were the days :) |
| 21:46.44 | dberkholz | carols: that's a huge bummer that the old gsoc content is gone, it's been very useful many times |
| 21:47.22 | |Kev| | Aye, seems a shame, but needs must I guess. |
| 21:47.54 | dberkholz | carols: perhaps we could get a mirror of it at the osl somewhere |
| 21:48.14 | carols | dberkholz: yeah, something to ask jeff bailey about i think. he managed it and then decided to un-manage it :-) |
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| 21:49.05 | dberkholz | makes it really hard to do historic research when history vanishes |
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| 22:17.34 | hackyyy | hey, could someone tell me how many student application were submited in gsoc2010 |
| 22:20.46 | dberkholz | hackyyy: about 5500 according to http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2010/04/google-summer-of-code-student.html |
| 22:21.07 | dberkholz | however, note that is proposals and not students applying |
| 22:22.50 | hackyyy | dberkholz thanks :) |
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