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| 00:04.33 | gevaerts | bets that most people are quiet because they're busy wondering why this one deadline is at 23:00 UTC instead of 19:00 UTC |
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| 00:06.40 | greeniekin | so 22 hours and 55 min from now |
| 00:07.04 | carols | ojwb: you can say that again. the hurricane is already hitting me right now. |
| 00:07.10 | carols | gevaerts: because i have to get my entertainment somehow :-P |
| 00:07.26 | gevaerts | carols: sneaky! |
| 00:07.55 | carols | :-) |
| 00:08.02 | gevaerts | hands carols some anti-hurricane tablets |
| 00:08.10 | carols | thanks gevaerts. i can use them |
| 00:08.20 | carols | downs the tablets with some tea |
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| 00:10.37 | greeniekin | when an org is accepted or refused. are they given a reason. eg.5 years ago. The mentor wasn't very good. so we will not consider your application |
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| 00:14.54 | carols | greeniekin: we do an irc meeting for all rejected orgs to give them feedback on their app and try to help them for the following year |
| 00:16.50 | greeniekin | carols: cool. thankyou. The org i've been talking to hasn't been accepted since 2006 and the current people don't seem to know why. I will make sure to tell them that. |
| 00:17.01 | carols | greeniekin: great, thanks |
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| 00:29.56 | mblanco | Hi, I am in the process of filling out the appliction to GSoC 2011, I have problem with the question: What is the main IRC channel for your organization? |
| 00:30.17 | mblanco | So, far we have no dedicated IRC channel. |
| 00:31.17 | mblanco | I have requested one from Freenode, but I will not get it for sometime, since they are behind in processing requests. |
| 00:31.25 | carols | mblanco: what communication method to you plan to use with the gsoc students? |
| 00:31.59 | mblanco | We were thinking about a google group. |
| 00:32.31 | mblanco | To use an IRC channel is also a good option, but I don't know how to get one fast. |
| 00:32.46 | carols | mblanco: mailing lists are fine, but i would recommend an irc channel. but if your org has a specific reason not to use one, that's fine, you can note that on the app |
| 00:32.54 | Catfish_Man | mblanco: /join #nameofchannel |
| 00:32.59 | scorche | mblanco: you dont need to wait for freenode staffers to give you one |
| 00:33.29 | scorche | mblanco: just join a channel, register it, and start using it - however you need to look at freenode's naming policy |
| 00:34.01 | mblanco | But, how I guarantee to keep the channel? |
| 00:34.16 | scorche | mblanco: if #yourorgname is already taken and you are waiting for freenode to release it to you after submitting a group request, then at least use ##yourorgname in the meantime |
| 00:34.36 | scorche | mblanco: may I PM you - this will keep the chatter off of this channel ;) |
| 00:34.48 | mblanco | ok |
| 00:35.08 | carols | thanks for helping scorche |
| 00:35.28 | scorche | carols: it is why i am here =) though I have been quite short on free time lately.. |
| 00:35.40 | carols | scorche: me too. funny that :-) |
| 00:35.47 | thebolt | hi carols , scorche et al |
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| 00:35.51 | carols | hi thebolt |
| 00:35.52 | scorche | waves |
| 00:36.05 | thebolt | gearing up for another gsoc I see.. damn i want to be part again :( |
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| 00:39.21 | thebolt | if only the week had more hours and my todo-list weren't so long (i had to switch from postits to a4 sheets for the todo list a while ago) |
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| 00:44.33 | KaunMoth | thebolt, you have 20 hours a day, that's plenty of time to do thingamabobs in |
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| 00:50.49 | greeniekin | thebolt:curious. What did you do for your gsoc? |
| 00:56.28 | scorche | manueljblanco: just keep in mind that an IRC channel is not much use if people arent in it, so after it is all done, make sure others of your project join to help out too ;) |
| 00:59.21 | thebolt | greeniekin: I was mentor for CrystalSpace 3D for four years, also doubled as second org admin two years |
| 01:00.18 | thebolt | KaunMoth: well, running my own startup, in the period where we _really_ need to get our product to the market and begin making some money or have to close up.. and also just got into a serious relationship, well, time is just not enough |
| 01:01.07 | KaunMoth | thebolt, I understand, I was just taking the piss as an insomniac I cope with about 4 hours of sleep a day. I don't mean any offence at all |
| 01:01.52 | greeniekin | i've heard of crystal space. Wasn't it used to make yo frankie |
| 01:01.52 | thebolt | KaunMoth: haha, no offence taken, don't worry :) sorry to hear about your problem sleeping.. |
| 01:02.12 | thebolt | greeniekin: yes, although well, don't ask me about that ;) |
| 01:03.07 | rrix | puts finishing touches on Fedora's org app |
| 01:03.55 | rrix | Who would have thought I'd go from student participant one year to working as one of the org admins the next? lol |
| 01:05.40 | anth_x | this is (provided we're accepted) my third year as an org admin. i keep having fantasies about being a student next year. :-) |
| 01:05.52 | mlankhorst | :X |
| 01:06.34 | rrix | hehe |
| 01:06.57 | rrix | studenting rocks |
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| 01:10.36 | pygi | anth_r: what org? |
| 01:10.40 | anth_x | Plan 9 |
| 01:10.44 | pygi | o my |
| 01:10.51 | rrix | from outer spaaaace |
| 01:10.52 | anth_x | yeah, we get that a lot. :-) |
| 01:10.57 | pygi | ok, wanna port burning stack to plan9? :P |
| 01:11.21 | pygi | I'll give you the code that works on linux, bsd and solaris |
| 01:11.27 | pygi | not that it helps you much I guess tho :p |
| 01:11.54 | anth_x | we can do well with importing legacy... er, "foreign" code. :-) |
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| 01:12.11 | anth_x | we ported *ghostscript* fer cryin' out loud. |
| 01:12.13 | pygi | ya but what about access to optical devices? |
| 01:12.31 | anth_x | none that i'm aware of. what sort do you need? |
| 01:12.59 | pygi | ummm, we use CAM for example on FreeBSD |
| 01:13.01 | pygi | anything like that? |
| 01:14.13 | anth_x | sorry, back up: what kind of optical? as in, WORM disks/CDs/DVDs? |
| 01:14.27 | pygi | any |
| 01:14.34 | pygi | CD, DVD, Blu Ray :D |
| 01:15.04 | anth_x | i've been playing with actual optics for the last two days (50-year-old cameras), so i kept thinking you meant a different kind of "optical". |
| 01:15.41 | anth_x | we, um, can do those. what does yours do that ours isn't likely to? |
| 01:15.55 | pygi | it can do it better, in a cross platform way! |
| 01:15.56 | pygi | :D |
| 01:15.59 | anth_x | :-) |
| 01:16.13 | thebolt | anth_x: all my four years i was thinking to go the other direction.. my last year mentoring was my second-to-last year at university.. now my chances to be a student is over ;) |
| 01:16.32 | pygi | anth_x: debian generates its images with our stuff :p |
| 01:16.36 | pygi | so it has to be at least semi-good :p |
| 01:17.17 | anth_x | thebolt: i haven't been a student for a long time, but technically i think i'm still a sophomore. and working's overrated. going back could be fun. |
| 01:17.38 | anth_x | pygi: i'm sure it is. but i think we're pretty happy with what we've got there, thanks. |
| 01:17.49 | pygi | ergh plan9 attitude :p |
| 01:17.52 | pygi | hides |
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| 01:19.12 | anth_x | i mean, sounds great, but we're a smallish community. we'd mostly rather focus on things we can't currently do than redoing things we can (most of the time). |
| 01:19.54 | pygi | yea yea its ok |
| 01:20.58 | greeniekin | wasn't aware there was a successor to unix. sad to hear it doesn't get much attention |
| 01:21.18 | anth_x | yeah, so are we. :-) |
| 01:21.31 | Catfish_Man | greeniekin: pygi's reaction a few lines ago may have a great deal to do with that, if my experiences are anything to go by... |
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| 01:21.43 | anth_x | we're doing well, though. for our size, we've got tons of interesting stuff going on. |
| 01:21.57 | pygi | Catfish_Man: nod, but I knew about the project since like 2006 or so |
| 01:22.10 | pygi | I remember Anant did stuff with it, and he continued doing some merge of linux & plan9 |
| 01:22.25 | anth_x | yeah, glendix. you know anant? |
| 01:22.38 | pygi | yea, we've worked on some stuff together. |
| 01:22.51 | pygi | or planned to & started it at least :p |
| 01:23.15 | anth_x | nice. he's a good guy. very bright, very ambitious. |
| 01:23.18 | greeniekin | the plan9 website could probably use an update |
| 01:23.25 | pygi | anth_x: nod |
| 01:23.57 | pygi | anth_x: if I remember right, he's at mozilla atm |
| 01:24.08 | anth_x | greeniekin: anything in particular strike you as difficult? |
| 01:24.10 | anth_x | pygi: yup. |
| 01:33.25 | anth_x | i've got to run for the evening. greeniekin (or anyone else, i guess) - if there's something that seems difficult to navigate or you have other suggestions about the web site, please let me know. i'm a@9srv.net. |
| 01:33.44 | anth_x | (aside from the lucent logo being out of date. i think that's passive-aggressive defiance on the part of the maintainers) |
| 01:34.06 | greeniekin | anth_x: I just mean it's very basic. Not many screenshots,no forums, minimal looking(some like that). |
| 01:35.03 | anth_x | ah, okay. noted. we don't really do forums (we've got an active irc channel and a very good mailing list). we could use more usage examples, and i think screenshots would go well with that. |
| 01:35.11 | anth_x | and, well, we kinda like minimal looking. :-) |
| 01:35.20 | anth_x | anyway: thanks for the input. now i really do have to run. |
| 01:35.33 | greeniekin | ok bye |
| 01:36.52 | Triskelios | I was amused one of the illumos project proposals is support for Plan 9 executables and 9P |
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| 05:09.49 | brlcad | does www.google-melange.com and socghop.appspot.com end up in the same database? |
| 05:10.30 | brlcad | i.e., are they basically the same site or is one replicated from the other and not supposed to be used? |
| 05:11.21 | brlcad | if an application is submitted to one, will it be available via the other? |
| 05:13.35 | skedia | yes both sites are same |
| 05:17.55 | brlcad | okay, great, thanks |
| 05:18.22 | brlcad | even better since www.google-melange.com seems to be blocked by the corporate firewall yet socghop.appspot.com is not |
| 05:22.06 | skedia | but i'll suggest you to use www.google-melange.com |
| 05:22.17 | skedia | because it is more official link |
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| 05:26.41 | brlcad | sorry, ip block, not dns |
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| 08:39.18 | thebolt | yea, we have a tsunami-warning here (taiwan), but i think i live far enough in-land not to be affected |
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| 08:48.14 | renzel | Hey there, somebody here who can help me with a question about mentor applications? |
| 08:48.56 | |Kev| | Certainly not if you don't ask it :) |
| 08:49.00 | |Kev| | (Possibly not if you do) |
| 08:49.19 | renzel | Is there a standard student application form available somewhere? Studied the GSoC page and somehow didn't find any... |
| 08:49.26 | renzel | Thank you Kev! |
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| 08:49.46 | |Kev| | Orgs get to choose their own application templates if they want one. |
| 08:50.17 | |Kev| | There is a form the student must fill in in melange to apply, but there's a big freeform field in it for the app text itself. |
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| 08:50.50 | renzel | ok, thanks alot! I will have a look from the student perspective! |
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| 08:51.19 | |Kev| | I think the mentor guide gives suggestions about this, although I don't remember. |
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| 08:55.39 | renzel | Just found that I CAN provide a custom template, and I found guidelines about how a good student proposal should look like. But no explicit info or an example of a custom template. Will find my way now. Thanks again. |
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| 08:56.24 | |Kev| | There's a field on the org. form where you can put the template. |
| 08:57.25 | |Kev| | In at least one year (our first), we didn't have an org template, and it doesn't help the students to work out how to reply, or the org to get useful applications much. |
| 09:00.13 | ojwb | it's also something of an initial filter - if they can't follow simple instructions, that's not a good sign |
| 09:02.27 | renzel | Then I hope I just didn't disqualified myself as a mentor ;) |
| 09:02.39 | renzel | disqualify... ;) |
| 09:05.10 | milki | >.> |
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| 09:17.21 | MatthewWilkes | !when |
| 09:17.21 | socinfo | MatthewWilkes: "when" is later |
| 09:17.24 | MatthewWilkes | !next |
| 09:17.24 | socinfo | MatthewWilkes: "next" is 23:00 UTC on Friday, March 11 - Mentoring organization application deadline |
| 09:17.25 | MatthewWilkes | :P |
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| 09:23.32 | thebolt | hm, tsunami hitting the coast in southern parts in about 15 minutes, up north some 20-30 minutes later.. hopefully not too much damage |
| 09:24.16 | MatthewWilkes | thebolt: run to the hills ;) |
| 09:24.26 | thebolt | MatthewWilkes: i am far enough in-land so it shouldn't be any problem |
| 09:24.48 | thebolt | MatthewWilkes: but i have a good friend whos family live on the north-east coast.. but just talked to her and her house was pretty high |
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| 09:39.23 | kai | is there any way to split a string in perl every x characters, instead of doing split //, $string; and then working on the array? |
| 09:40.27 | ojwb | something like split /(.....)/, $string? |
| 09:40.56 | ojwb | or so the last bit works: split /(.{1,7})/, $string? |
| 09:41.02 | ojwb | not actually tested though |
| 09:41.56 | ojwb | ah, that gets you alternating empty entries |
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| 09:44.45 | ojwb | kai: pretty hideous, but: grep length, split /(.{1,$x})/, $string |
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| 09:59.57 | djurgens | Hi I had a question on the GSoC Mentoring Organization Application |
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| 10:00.36 | djurgens | does anyone know what to put for the "Backup Admin (Link ID):" |
| 10:00.48 | |Kev| | djurgens: That one's a trick question |
| 10:00.49 | gevaerts | The LinkID of the backup admin |
| 10:00.52 | |Kev| | What you need to put in there |
| 10:00.58 | |Kev| | Is the Link ID of the Backup Admin. |
| 10:01.02 | |Kev| | :D |
| 10:01.13 | djurgens | haha, what's a Link ID? |
| 10:01.19 | gevaerts | apologises for ruining |Kev|'s timing |
| 10:01.23 | |Kev| | It's the thing you chose when you signed up for Melange. |
| 10:01.25 | ojwb | or a backup admin |
| 10:01.29 | |Kev| | gevaerts: Forgiven, this time. |
| 10:01.37 | HerraBRE | You can see your link id at the top of the page in parens. |
| 10:02.04 | HerraBRE | Get another member of your project to sign up and tell you what it says. :) |
| 10:02.25 | djurgens | oh ok, great! |
| 10:02.28 | gevaerts | Preferrably pick someone you trust as a backup admin of course |
| 10:02.37 | ojwb | no, no, pick me! |
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| 10:03.10 | |Kev| | djurgens: This is the person who will be responsible for your org if you get hit by a bus. |
| 10:03.35 | djurgens | ah, that make sense. Is there some way to save the application and come back to it? I'm only missing that piece of info at the moment |
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| 10:04.13 | gevaerts | Of course, chances are that *if* you get hit by a bus, whether or not your backup admin does a good job is the least of your worries |
| 10:04.45 | |Kev| | gevaerts: Indeed. Your first thought would probably be to worry whether it was a parallel or a serial bus. |
| 10:04.51 | HerraBRE | busses are pretty big, they have a lot of inertia |
| 10:04.52 | gevaerts | Exactly |
| 10:05.02 | ojwb | djurgens: you can submit if all required fields are filled in |
| 10:05.06 | ojwb | and then change it later |
| 10:05.15 | aghisla | parallel bus can hit both admin and backup admin at the same time |
| 10:05.21 | gevaerts | ojwb: that's the problem right there, isn't it? |
| 10:05.41 | ojwb | djurgens: feel free to put ojwb there just to allow yourself to save it, but please do change it before the deadline! |
| 10:05.46 | HerraBRE | I'll bet you can guess somebody's link id. ;) |
| 10:05.56 | HerraBRE | drat, ojwb ruined it. |
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| 10:13.53 | paulzhol | hi! I'm trying to figure out whether I can participate in gsoc as a student, I'm taking a certificate program in computer science at a university in Israel. I've found a very simmilar program here: http://www.cs.txstate.edu/certificate.php. According to the faq at melange I think my school is accredited - It is a registered university and they issue a student id card |
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| 10:15.49 | ojwb | paulzhol: I think it's the course which needs to be accredited |
| 10:18.03 | paulzhol | ojwb: the courses for the certificate program are the same ones for the undergraduate program, how can I tell if thats is enough to qualify ? |
| 10:19.12 | ojwb | carols is the one who can answer definitively |
| 10:19.29 | gevaerts | The TOS is a bit unclear I think. "an accredited institution including, but not limited to, a college, university, masters program, PhD program or undergraduate program" seems to confuse institutions and programs a bit |
| 10:19.38 | kai | ojwb: ah, got a good method |
| 10:19.41 | ojwb | but if the uni will write a letter saying you're enrolled and it's an accredited course, you should be good |
| 10:20.58 | kai | ojwb: I actually wanted to add newlines to a string every 60 characters, and $str =~ s/\S{60}/$&\n/sg; does the trick :) |
| 10:21.16 | paulzhol | ojwb: great, thanks! |
| 10:22.18 | ojwb | kai: not sure if it's still true, but the advice used to be to avoid $& in non-trivial script because if you use once, every regexp match has to fill it in |
| 10:22.32 | ojwb | so () around the first part and $1 may be better |
| 10:22.39 | ojwb | or perhaps that's been improved since |
| 10:24.01 | kai | ojwb: it was a one-shot script, and it seems to have worked, but thanks for the warning |
| 10:28.45 | kai | ojwb: fwiw, perlre claims "As of 5.005, $& is not so costly as the other two." |
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| 10:30.22 | ojwb | kai: ah, cool |
| 10:32.38 | kai | next time I'll do this in python, though |
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| 10:48.01 | akshayagarwal | What kinbd of previous experience is needed for getting to gsoc? |
| 10:48.33 | gevaerts | akshayagarwal: there's no simple answer to that, except "It depends on the project" |
| 10:49.19 | akshayagarwal | I am curious about wordpress |
| 10:49.55 | Ivanovic | akshayagarwal: then ask the wordpress people |
| 10:50.10 | Ivanovic | they should be able to tell you |
| 10:50.39 | akshayagarwal | Sure |
| 10:50.41 | akshayagarwal | thankx |
| 10:51.08 | Ivanovic | (most project will require you to demonstrate them that you actually are able to get something done (eg by providing some small patch) as well as looking at your proposal (is it sane and well done?) plus they look at how communications with you work out) |
| 10:52.20 | akshayagarwal | Ok |
| 10:52.25 | akshayagarwal | I get the concept |
| 10:52.50 | Ivanovic | most won't look too much at the projects you can show you have worked on so far (though if it is in the open source world, they might be interested) |
| 10:53.09 | Ivanovic | but they will look at what you can directly show and are able to get done |
| 10:54.00 | gevaerts | I'd expect most organisations to want a reasonable knowledge of the programming language they use. Some will want more, but certainly not all. Some will be using a programming language that's exotic enough for them not to expect you to know it |
| 10:56.19 | akshayagarwal | ThankYou so much for the indepth information |
| 10:56.43 | akshayagarwal | I will start playing with the codes of those projects I am interested in |
| 10:57.15 | akshayagarwal | And develop a few patches as well as assist in fixing bugs |
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| 11:02.28 | socinfo | akashm1990: "timeline" is http://goo.gl/0lYPz |
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| 11:57.35 | JaneWells | is anyone else having trouble getting http://socghop.appspot.com/ to load? |
| 11:58.03 | HerraBRE | JaneWells: I had trouble signing in, appspot would crash on me until I switched to a browser with clean cookies. |
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| 11:58.27 | HerraBRE | I think it may have been related to the new multiple account support for GAFYD users. |
| 11:59.21 | HerraBRE | just submitted an org application for PageKite. :-) Now to polish off the Ideas list a bit more and keep fingers crossed. |
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| 12:41.43 | naeg | I'm confused how I could get 3 mentors for my python project in order to get python as my mentoring organisatino? |
| 12:43.42 | ssi|neil | naeg: are you a prospective student or mentor? |
| 12:43.49 | naeg | ssi|neil: student |
| 12:44.04 | naeg | ssi|neil: but I'm the only dev on this project(took it over) |
| 12:45.24 | ssi|neil | naeg: I'm confused by your comment about getting 3 mentors? |
| 12:45.26 | ojwb | you'll need to find somebody willing to mentor you |
| 12:45.51 | ojwb | and (assuming the PSF are accepted) probably apply to them |
| 12:46.23 | naeg | ojwb: how do I find someone? |
| 12:46.40 | ssi|neil | naeg: try the Python GSoC page first: http://wiki.python.org/moin/SummerOfCode/2011?action=show&redirect=SummerOfCode |
| 12:46.44 | naeg | ssi|neil: now we are 2 who are confused :) see here and the reply from arc: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/soc2010-general/2011-March/000041.html |
| 12:47.05 | naeg | ssi|neil: i read that one, see my mail to the ML :) |
| 12:47.50 | ssi|neil | naeg: okay, thanks |
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| 12:48.50 | gevaerts | naeg: I read that as basically saying "don't do this for the PSF, but work with one of the organisations that are umbrella-ed by it" |
| 12:49.43 | ssi|neil | naeg: it looks like the Python SoC coordinator is saying that to have your project accepted under the PSF org banner, you have to show that the particular project you're suggesting pyswip, has at least three developers contributing to it who would be willing to act as mentors |
| 12:50.39 | naeg | ssi|neil: but that's the problem. I'm alone on this project |
| 12:51.00 | ssi|neil | naeg: it sounds like one thing you need to do (irrespective of GSoC) is to recruit more devs to your projects community |
| 12:51.13 | naeg | but since there is no currently developed prolog interface for python, i'd like to develop on that one and even port it to python 3 |
| 12:51.22 | ssi|neil | naeg: and probably the best way to do that is to post to relevant mailing lists |
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| 12:51.58 | ssi|neil | naeg: which in this case might be the SWI-Prolog lists |
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| 12:52.28 | naeg | ssi|neil: so should I simply ask there whether someone likes to join my project and be my mentor for the gsoc? |
| 12:52.56 | ssi|neil | naeg: as you're more likely to find someone there who has in interest in Python, rather than posting to a Python list trying to find someone who is interested in Prolog |
| 12:53.08 | MatthewWilkes | naeg: If it's directly applicable to python ore you can be mentored by the PSF |
| 12:53.10 | MatthewWilkes | core* |
| 12:53.42 | naeg | MatthewWilkes: no it's not, it's a prolog interface for python |
| 12:54.10 | MatthewWilkes | naeg: Then if there are no applicable mentoring organisations you may well be out of luck |
| 12:54.26 | naeg | argh, I feared that |
| 12:54.55 | naeg | Then I'm gonna wait and see whether some org that is under the python umbrella want's to mentor me |
| 12:54.59 | ssi|neil | naeg: this is my personal opinion, and shouldn't be taken as the truth, but if your project was already in a position where you'd got some additional interested contributors, you could have applied to GSoC as Pyswip - however I fear it's too close to the dealine for that |
| 12:55.34 | |Kev| | Whereas my personal opinion is that if you *can* go under an umbrella, itis better to do that than apply alone :) |
| 12:55.36 | naeg | yeah, so I'm gonna wait and ask the umbrella-ed orgs |
| 12:56.11 | ssi|neil | |Kev|: I'm not disagreeing :) |
| 12:56.25 | naeg | I actually asked SWI-prolog directly, but sadly the dev doesn't have the time for it. thogh he said he helps me wherever he can |
| 12:56.43 | dberkholz | naeg: there's also the possibility of applying to google's open source office as the organization, if you can supply your own mentor |
| 12:57.18 | |Kev| | (and backup mentor, I think?) |
| 12:57.34 | dberkholz | i don't know the details, they're probably in the faq |
| 12:57.36 | naeg | dberkholz: so I could get a mentor from google? |
| 12:57.45 | dberkholz | naeg: no |
| 12:57.54 | ojwb | no, you must supply your own mentor for the "google org" |
| 12:57.58 | |Kev| | Oh, I understand now. |
| 12:58.00 | dberkholz | naeg: basically google provides a placeholder organization for independent projects |
| 12:58.12 | |Kev| | You're a student who wants to get someone else to mentor you on your existing one-man project? |
| 12:58.20 | ojwb | but they only accept a handful (literally) of students a year |
| 12:58.23 | naeg | |Kev|: right |
| 12:58.24 | dberkholz | naeg: you need to supply everything but the organization |
| 12:58.50 | dberkholz | naeg: as ojwb says, the standards are higher for this too, since you need to convince them there's no need for a "real" organization to oversee your work |
| 12:58.57 | naeg | dberkholz: can you prob. tell me where to ask for such a placeholder from google? |
| 12:59.30 | mlankhorst | naeg: thats not going to work im afraid |
| 12:59.31 | naeg | oh, so this is not made for cases like mine... |
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| 13:00.07 | naeg | this alls seems to be much more complicated that I thought |
| 13:00.25 | |Kev| | naeg: It's fairly simple, but it's not really supposed to cope with your position :) |
| 13:00.28 | dberkholz | if you're a one-man project, it's not really made for you |
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| 13:01.29 | naeg | then I'm gonna wait and try to get one of the ideas from python or other orgs |
| 13:01.32 | naeg | thanks all :) |
| 13:01.45 | |Kev| | That would be better :) |
| 13:01.57 | mlankhorst | the secret goal of gsoc is to participate with the community ;p |
| 13:02.00 | mlankhorst | but dont tell anyone! |
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| 13:02.06 | |Kev| | "Secret" :) |
| 13:02.12 | naeg | ok, i'll keep it secret ;) |
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| 13:38.18 | hartem | Hi |
| 13:38.43 | hartem | Is there a possibility to make changes to Org. application after it has been submitted? |
| 13:39.08 | mlankhorst | yes |
| 13:39.21 | mlankhorst | but only till the deadline i think |
| 13:39.50 | hartem | thanks ! |
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| 13:52.07 | ojwb | "If accepted, would this be your first year participating in GSoC?" - the info says to select one or more choices (from Yes and No)! |
| 13:53.17 | gevaerts | ojwb: "yes and no" can be a correct answer remarkably often :) |
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| 14:00.38 | hartem | so if I participated as a student before and now I am sending org. application should the answer be 'Yes' or 'No'? |
| 14:01.34 | gevaerts | "your" refers to the organisation I expect |
| 14:02.32 | ojwb | that's how I would interpret it |
| 14:02.58 | ojwb | though it's probably useful to mention past experience somewhere |
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| 14:07.16 | hartem | @ojweb but they also explicitly ask 'Did your organization participate in past GSoCs?' |
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| 14:16.07 | ojwb | hartem: I assume you mean me - i think it's probably just redundant questions |
| 14:16.38 | hartem | ok, thank you :) |
| 14:16.40 | ojwb | perhaps they want to be able to easily pull out new and old orgs, so the yes/no is useful |
| 14:16.52 | hartem | I checked both actually :) |
| 14:17.02 | ojwb | but if you make it clear what you mean in the free text field, it should be ok |
| 14:17.12 | hartem | right, that's what I did |
| 14:17.27 | kai | hartem: actually, one is "is this your first gsoc" and the other is "did you participate before? if so, fill in this text field" |
| 14:17.53 | kai | that's not _that_ redundant |
| 14:18.40 | hartem | the question is to whom the 'your' referrers to in the first question (organisation or the person who is submitting the application) |
| 14:21.32 | kai | org |
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| 14:23.13 | kai | I agree all the questions around it say "your organization" instead of plain "you", but e.g. "What is the URL for your ideas page?" isn't your personal page either |
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| 14:25.38 | |Kev| | kai: The narcissist in me disagrees. It's all about me :) |
| 14:25.46 | gevaerts | No, me! |
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| 14:26.27 | |Kev| | I'm trying to imagine a narcissist filling out the form now, and putting their Twitter feed as their Ideas Page or something. |
| 14:27.00 | ojwb | starts a second application... |
| 14:27.03 | aghisla | my object-oriented approach suggests that it refers to my Google account. |
| 14:27.45 | gevaerts | Object-oriented approaches are known to be flawed :) |
| 14:28.45 | ojwb | ObjectOrientedApproaches.flawed = true |
| 14:30.40 | aghisla | is flawed |
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| 14:35.26 | |Kev| | Aren't we all? |
| 14:36.16 | ojwb | is perfectly flawed |
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| 14:43.58 | mcfossey | Hi, I would like to know wether it is important for a small new mentoring organization to have an established organization vouch for them. |
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| 14:45.20 | |Kev| | mcfossey: I believe that's been answered either in the FAQ or on the list. All orgs will be reviewed with the same rigour they've always been, but vouching will help Carol in doing so. |
| 14:45.32 | |Kev| | That is: it's not required. |
| 14:46.24 | mcfossey | |Kev|: Thank you! |
| 14:47.48 | |Kev| | I am not Google ;) |
| 14:48.24 | gevaerts | refuses to believe that |
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| 15:07.27 | tty1 | hi |
| 15:07.38 | tty1 | anyone know what the license restrictions are for GSOC for organiziations? |
| 15:07.46 | kai | !faq |
| 15:07.46 | socinfo | kai: "faq" is http://goo.gl/Up2Qf |
| 15:07.57 | tty1 | we use an open-source license but it isnt in the list in the form |
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| 15:09.07 | anth_r | is your license OSI-approved? |
| 15:09.08 | kai | mcfossey: see http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/site/site/orgcriteria |
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| 15:09.15 | |Kev| | tty1: As the FAQ says, you only need it to be OSI approved. |
| 15:09.40 | kai | mcfossey: notably 4) |
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| 15:10.06 | tty1 | |Kev|, ahh we never bthered to get ours OSI approved, even though it would likely be accepted |
| 15:10.57 | mcfossey | kai: thanks, I must have missed that! |
| 15:10.57 | |Kev| | Well, presumably you have no problem with BSD-in anyway. |
| 15:11.06 | |Kev| | So you could have your students code BSD patches. |
| 15:11.17 | kai | mcfossey: the link is a bit hidden |
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| 15:12.49 | tty1 | |Kev|, ohh yea that would work very well, i just thought of that in our home-room after you mentioned it here :) cool good solution |
| 15:13.12 | |Kev| | http://www.syncleus.com/ ? |
| 15:13.41 | tty1 | |Kev|, yea thatss the "flashy" page. use our wiki if you want to see the details (more techy) |
| 15:13.45 | tty1 | |Kev|, wiki.syncleus.com |
| 15:14.01 | |Kev| | I'm a MOO guy. Or was, once upon a time. |
| 15:14.27 | tty1 | |Kev|, moo as in the text-based mud thingie? |
| 15:14.38 | |Kev| | Multi-objective (evolutionary) optimisation. |
| 15:14.43 | tty1 | oh |
| 15:15.14 | tty1 | cool |
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| 15:15.26 | |Kev| | Thus why your tagline looked interesting :) |
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| 15:18.43 | |Kev| | Ooh, dANN sounds fun. |
| 15:19.08 | tty1 | |Kev|, yea that will be our main project for GSoC |
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| 15:20.35 | |Kev| | I worked on something similar, but smaller scale, a few years ago. Assuming it is what it looks like. |
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| 15:21.17 | |Kev| | (much smaller scale - a bundle of classifiers, and a bundle of traditional (non-pluggable) and a bundle of evolutionary (pluggable) methods for training/optmisation of training) |
| 15:22.22 | |Kev| | I suspect I could have a lot of fun with this, if I had more downtime to spare. |
| 15:22.28 | tty1 | |Kev|, oh nice, dANN actually has a pretty lavish framework in the works that will likely be assisted by GSoC |
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| 15:23.08 | |Kev| | I haven't even looked back at my undergrad dissertation work since then, which is a shame. |
| 15:23.35 | |Kev| | That was some fun methods of parallelising multi-objective GAs across (relatively) slow networks. |
| 15:23.56 | |Kev| | So encouraging different nodes to explore different areas of the Pareto front and whathaveyou. I enjoyed that. |
| 15:24.32 | |Kev| | Anyway. This would struggle to be more offtopic for #gsoc :/ |
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| 15:25.31 | _dongpu | This is my first msg |
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| 15:31.37 | fryday | hi everyone |
| 15:31.46 | fryday | Where I can find Ideas list for dANN? It is realy inresting. |
| 15:33.26 | sseehh | fryday: we're updating it now and it will appear on the wiki soon, i'll send you notification when it's ready |
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| 15:40.50 | |Kev| | Now I need someone to reciprocate and exclaim how exciting the XSF (Or ideally XSF.Swift) ideas are and get students interested in those ;) |
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| 15:44.16 | |Kev| | Would it be cruel to reply to gsoc-discuss with "Well, all good AI is written in Lisp"? |
| 15:45.03 | EoIpso | |Kev|: Is this the XSF.Swift you are referring to? http://swift.im/blog/ |
| 15:45.10 | |Kev| | EoIpso: It is. |
| 15:45.42 | EoIpso | Ok, I just wanted to make sure before I started reading about it. |
| 15:46.05 | |Kev| | http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Summer_of_Code_2011_Project_Ideas#Swift are the ideas. |
| 15:47.27 | EoIpso | Thanks! I'll check those out |
| 15:48.00 | |Kev| | I've got one more really quite (potentially, depending on your inclination) fun idea to add when I get a few minutes. |
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| 15:48.47 | |Kev| | (Adding more Social features, like geolocation, moods, in a nice feed interface, with user profiles) |
| 15:49.45 | EoIpso | Does the XMPP protocol allow those things? Or would it be something specific to the client? |
| 15:50.14 | |Kev| | The XMPP Protocol allows those things. |
| 15:50.53 | EoIpso | Wow, I didn't realize it was so robust |
| 15:50.55 | |Kev| | It has a protocol (Personal Eventing Protocol (PEP), XEP-0163) for shifting data like those around, and assorted defined payloads for thigns like "Tune the user is listening to", "User's Mood" etc. |
| 15:51.19 | |Kev| | I would suggest you go buy the O'Reilly book, but the XSF will probably buy it for any students it mentors anyway. |
| 15:52.00 | |Kev| | (I'm one of the authors, full disclosure etc.) |
| 15:52.13 | |Kev| | It talks through lots of the things XMPP can do, and we tried to make it quite fun. |
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| 15:55.33 | Bipul` | hellw |
| 15:55.38 | Bipul` | hellow* |
| 15:55.46 | |Kev| | Hi. |
| 15:55.53 | Bipul` | whear i can get mentors |
| 15:56.13 | Bipul` | how can i take participation in gsoc |
| 15:56.19 | _dongpu | morning! |
| 15:56.20 | |Kev| | !faq |
| 15:56.20 | socinfo | |Kev|: "faq" is http://goo.gl/Up2Qf |
| 15:56.55 | _dongpu | I was looking at the xmpp wiki page |
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| 15:58.11 | _dongpu | what kind of programming languages are utilized for xmpp project? |
| 15:58.26 | scorche | ask them =) |
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| 15:58.35 | |Kev| | scorche: That's me :) |
| 15:58.50 | _dongpu | yes! |
| 15:58.53 | tty1 | |kev| feel free to join #dANN if you are interested |
| 15:59.06 | _dongpu | definitely |
| 15:59.15 | fryday | Is Swift link XMMP and mail protocols? |
| 15:59.18 | |Kev| | _dongpu: Swift's C++, Gajim's Python, Prosody's Lua. I think the Social projects are likely to be node.js and similar things. |
| 15:59.22 | |Kev| | fryday: no, XMPP only. |
| 15:59.46 | _dongpu | I am pretty strong at C++ and python, but never heard of other two |
| 16:02.08 | EoIpso | |Kev|: I noticed that Swift is not a multi-protocol client. But can't you use transports to make it multi-protocol? |
| 16:02.40 | |Kev| | EoIpso: Yes, transports make any XMPP client multi-protocol. |
| 16:03.02 | |Kev| | Interestingly, there's a suggestion going around (and at least one transport author is interested) in making transports into standard XMPP servers. |
| 16:03.41 | |Kev| | So instead of your client needing to know about transports, registering with them etc., you would simply add another XMPP account to your client, something like me\40hotmail.com@msn.transport.wonderland.lit |
| 16:04.00 | |Kev| | And that would make the user experience for transports much much better. |
| 16:04.07 | gevaerts | Yay, back to UUCP addressing :) |
| 16:04.42 | |Kev| | gevaerts: http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0106.html :) |
| 16:04.49 | EoIpso | So Swift is not multi-protocol in that it uses XMPP transports to connect to other protocols instead of implementing them directly? |
| 16:05.19 | |Kev| | EoIpso: Correct. In fact, Swift doesn't know about transports, so you'd have to register in some other way (Psi is often used), but once registered it'll work with them fine (I use them) |
| 16:06.26 | |Kev| | (Because once you're registered, everyone is just an XMPP contact, whether they're on the other side of a transport or not) |
| 16:06.26 | EoIpso | How difficult would it be to add transports? Or is that outside the scope of the project? |
| 16:06.48 | EoIpso | (add transports to Swift, so you don't have to use Psi) |
| 16:07.13 | |Kev| | I think it's more interesting to add good multi-protocol support to Swift, and push the transport vendors into doing the trick I mentioned above, where the transport is just another XMPP account, and there's nothing special about it. |
| 16:07.23 | |Kev| | Urgh. |
| 16:07.30 | |Kev| | s/multi-protocol/multi-account/ |
| 16:07.35 | |Kev| | Fingers/Brain disconnect. |
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| 16:08.51 | tty1 | is this channel an official GSoC channel? another words, are there people from google here? |
| 16:09.05 | EoIpso | The trick you mention above being Psi or me\40hotmail.com@msn.transport.wonderland.lit? |
| 16:09.06 | thiago_home | yes and yes |
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| 16:09.32 | gevaerts | tty1: people from google may not be here 24 hours a day though |
| 16:09.42 | _dongpu | |Kev| |
| 16:10.07 | tty1 | ahh cool beans! |
| 16:10.22 | tty1 | so are the ops associated with google? |
| 16:10.29 | gevaerts | no |
| 16:11.02 | gevaerts | Well, google people usually are ops, but most ops are people who have irc experience and have been participating in gsoc for a long time |
| 16:11.11 | |Kev| | EoIpso: The latter. |
| 16:11.53 | tty1 | gevaerts, cool |
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| 16:13.23 | |Kev| | EoIpso: Saying that, registering with arbitrary entities is probably interesting, aside from transports. So I'd certainly consider an application that included it. |
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| 16:14.51 | tty1 | once the deadline for the organization submission is in, will GSoC contact me to go over it before making a final decision? |
| 16:15.14 | scorche | generally not |
| 16:15.37 | EoIpso | You might be seeing one. This certainly interests me |
| 16:15.38 | scorche | there are a LOT of applying orgs and to contact each one would be a massive amount of work |
| 16:15.54 | tty1 | the reason im curious is i hear of submissions that get rejected without an explanation... so its hard for me to guage hwo hard it is to get in and the likelyhood of being accepted |
| 16:16.09 | Bipul` | can you tell me how much programming skills one shud need for taking part of it |
| 16:16.14 | |Kev| | EoIpso: Well, the Swift channel is linked from the ideas wiki, so please get in touch :) |
| 16:16.25 | tty1 | Bipul`, you asking me that? |
| 16:16.34 | Bipul` | like i know Bsics of C programming |
| 16:16.35 | |Kev| | Bipul`: Depends entirely on the project, you should speak to the people running the projects that interest you. |
| 16:16.36 | scorche | tty1: after all is announced, there is typically a meeting is held where orgs can ask questions about why they did not get accepted and what to possibly improve on for next year |
| 16:17.22 | tty1 | scorche interesting, do you know of any site where it might give me a good idea as to what they look for in an application? |
| 16:17.28 | tty1 | !faq |
| 16:17.28 | socinfo | tty1: "faq" is http://goo.gl/Up2Qf |
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| 16:18.00 | piyushmishra | CAn everyone here open google-melange.com? |
| 16:18.04 | piyushmishra | I can't :( |
| 16:18.06 | tty1 | piyushmishra, not me |
| 16:18.09 | tty1 | it is down for me |
| 16:18.10 | Bipul` | well i am a simple student of engineering 4 th semaster and i know Basic of C programming what ever in my university syllabus so am i eligible |
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| 16:19.17 | piyushmishra | now I can open it |
| 16:19.22 | piyushmishra | can you? tty1 |
| 16:19.23 | tuxybuzz | hi all |
| 16:19.43 | kblin | hey folks |
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| 16:19.55 | kblin | I need some advice from a native speaker... |
| 16:19.57 | tty1 | i dunno let me see |
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| 16:20.03 | jhf | I can't open melange either |
| 16:20.14 | jhf | --> Error 105 (net::ERR_NAME_NOT_RESOLVED): The server could not be found. |
| 16:20.17 | tty1 | still cant here |
| 16:20.36 | kblin | "Because of XYZ, the predictions should be taken more cautious." <-- is this a correct sentence? |
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| 16:21.24 | |Kev| | kblin: No. |
| 16:21.32 | tuxybuzz | I recently read about GSOC and Iam facsinated by the idea..although i dont think i'd eb fit enough to participate yet..but wanting to make myself ready for future versions i'd like someone to explain to me how the coding actually takes place..i mean i do know the languages..but i havent really worked on an opensource project as yet..any articles or somthing that'll help me go about it? |
| 16:21.41 | |Kev| | kblin: 'cautiously' will make it more correct. |
| 16:22.01 | ferrouswheel | kblin: "Because of XYZ, the predictions should be used with caution."? |
| 16:22.22 | |Kev| | Also good :) |
| 16:22.39 | Bipul` | yes same me also any link or something |
| 16:22.47 | Bipul` | so that i can prepare for the future |
| 16:23.01 | jhf | melange appears to be back, for me at least.. |
| 16:23.12 | ferrouswheel | tuxybuzz: find a project that you are interested in and find out what version control system they use |
| 16:23.43 | Bipul` | and whear is the entire project list / |
| 16:23.49 | fryday | jhf, and for me |
| 16:23.54 | ferrouswheel | tuxybuzz: then experiment with it and go through a tutorial or two. |
| 16:23.59 | kblin | |Kev|: your suggestion is just what I had in the diff already :) |
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| 16:24.22 | kblin | but I think "used with caution" flows better |
| 16:24.24 | tuxybuzz | @ferrouswheel ok see the problem here is iam really really new to this stuff..like version control system and all..i know what all it does..but no experience as such.. |
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| 16:24.46 | |Kev| | kblin: Yes. Certainly either is fine, unless you're wordsmithing in great depth. |
| 16:25.06 | jhf | when I load my org application, the "long description" fields are always formatted badly (i.e. line breaks, and jaggy margins) |
| 16:25.14 | jhf | is that normal? will I lose points for that? :) |
| 16:25.21 | jhf | even if I reformat, and save, and return, it is still jaggy |
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| 16:25.58 | ferrouswheel | tuxybuzz: i've been a mentor in 2008 and 2009 and we've placed a fair amount of importance in having people be enthusiastic to learn... so long as you can demonstrate that you are willing to go out and find out how to do something, then you'll be good. |
| 16:26.20 | anth_r | jhf: that's not just you. i believe it's universal. |
| 16:26.34 | David_Honeynet | jhf: yeah, same for everyone |
| 16:26.46 | |Kev| | tuxybuzz: If you really want to prepare, you could try and see about doing a couple of small patches to OSS projects over the next year, so you understand everything ready for next year. |
| 16:26.52 | ferrouswheel | tuxybuzz: ... and the answers of how to use things like VCSs are usually found with a few google searches |
| 16:26.56 | jhf | ok. whew. feels like I'm trying to reformat a resume in word, only to have it go bonkers and getall screwed up |
| 16:27.10 | kblin | |Kev|: heck, it's a scientific paper, and I'm not a linguist. :) "taken more cautious" just sounded pretty wrong :) |
| 16:27.28 | anth_r | jhf: yeah, don't worry about it. the google folks won't hold it against you. |
| 16:27.40 | |Kev| | kblin: Ah well, just put 'which' everywhere you should say 'that', and you'll be fine then :D |
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| 16:27.47 | drj11 | jhf: yeah, we had that fun with our application too. |
| 16:27.49 | ferrouswheel | kblin: academic papers often sound wrong ;p |
| 16:27.55 | tuxybuzz | ok thanks..:)..i'll try that patch thingy..see you all in a while.. |
| 16:28.07 | ferrouswheel | kblin: well... some of the ones I sometimes have to review do! |
| 16:28.25 | |Kev| | ferrouswheel: Yes, although they're usually better than undergrad essays :) |
| 16:28.43 | kblin | ferrouswheel: oh, the data is fine on that one.. at least that's what I think.. of course as a co-author I'm probably biased |
| 16:29.33 | roante | Hi there, I'd like to have a trivial question: does it involves any costs for an organization to apply to the GSoC 2011 as a mentor? Or it's totally free and all of the roles are the ones listed under the FAQ item "What is the role of a mentoring organization?"? |
| 16:30.12 | ferrouswheel | |Kev|: I think it depends on the undergrad, and how well the author of the paper knows English ;-) |
| 16:30.48 | |Kev| | Both true. |
| 16:31.06 | Triskelios | roante: it's free except for your mentors' time |
| 16:31.29 | roante | Triskelios: Wow, now that's the spirit! Cool, thx! |
| 16:31.34 | |Kev| | Although I once marked an undergrad's work where most of it suggested they knew very little English, yet some sections were so well-written, you'd think they'dd been pulled off a University website. |
| 16:31.57 | |Kev| | Which, strangely, a quick Google revealed some very similar prose on. |
| 16:32.19 | EoIpso | They probably just forked the paragraphs. :-P |
| 16:32.27 | ferrouswheel | haha |
| 16:32.28 | |Kev| | Yes, that's exactly what it is :) |
| 16:32.56 | EoIpso | |Kev|: Do you have prior experience with GSOC? |
| 16:33.02 | |Kev| | Yes. |
| 16:33.03 | jhf | anyone know of a good way to get a PDF of my application via melange? printing via browser cuts off the long descrioption fields I entered. I'd rather not reconstruct the app in a text file. |
| 16:33.39 | |Kev| | EoIpso: (I've been student (2006), and mentor or mentor+admin in the years since (apart from 2008 or 2009 where we didn't apply, I forget which)) |
| 16:33.39 | ferrouswheel | "I wasn't plagiarising, I just haven't submitted the merge request yet..." |
| 16:33.59 | |Kev| | jhf: Use a browser with resizeable inputs? |
| 16:34.56 | EoIpso | How does your experience as a mentor differ from your experience as a student? Did you find it frustrating at times as a mentor? |
| 16:34.57 | ferrouswheel | should have gotten involved earlier and submitted fixes for melange's weird formatting and a print view. |
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| 16:35.13 | ferrouswheel | except I'm not much of a web dev. |
| 16:35.20 | |Kev| | EoIpso: I confess that when I was a student, it was in a project I was already involved in, so it wasn't the typical experience. |
| 16:35.32 | |Kev| | EoIpso: Yes, being a mentor can be frustrating, but also very rewarding. |
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| 16:36.27 | |Kev| | Students can advance a great deal over the course of GSoC, if they want to. |
| 16:37.12 | ferrouswheel | EoIpso: I agree with |Kev| - mentoring was frustrating at times... because I knew exactly how to do something, but trying to explain that in sufficient detail can take time ... depending on how much guidance the student needs. |
| 16:37.44 | roante | thx for the info, bye |
| 16:37.45 | ferrouswheel | But some students really just held their own and got the project completed with a minimum of guidance needed. |
| 16:38.05 | ferrouswheel | just had to point them in the right direction and off they went! |
| 16:38.17 | |Kev| | ferrouswheel: That's not the most rewarding type of student, though. |
| 16:38.22 | |Kev| | Although they're certainly low-maintenance. |
| 16:38.25 | ferrouswheel | so you can get the extremes, but you can learn from both. |
| 16:38.39 | EoIpso | Once they complete one project idea, I'm assuming you start work on another? |
| 16:38.49 | |Kev| | I like the ones who come in, listen, learn, and at the end seem like much stronger devs than they were when they started. |
| 16:39.19 | |Kev| | EoIpso: The ideas are supposed to last the summer. If a student finishes very early, there's plenty of other things for them to do :) |
| 16:39.32 | ferrouswheel | |Kev|: Those are the best it's true. The art is picking them from the brief period before GSoC begins... |
| 16:39.48 | |Kev| | Well, I wouldn't pick them over an already-baked student. |
| 16:39.55 | |Kev| | Just that they're the most personally rewarding as a mentor. |
| 16:40.00 | drj11 | I'm hoping to be a mentor this year. our organisation has 2 staff. how many students should we plan on accepting? (I think one. maybe two. maybe three if we can get another mentor from outside, which is a possibility). |
| 16:40.06 | |Kev| | There's a balance between rewarding as a mentor, and rewarding as an org :) |
| 16:40.31 | |Kev| | drj11: My personal opinion is that a two-man org is too small to mentor in GSoC. |
| 16:40.38 | EoIpso | ferrouswheel: You are involved with daNN, right? |
| 16:40.40 | |Kev| | The minimum number of slots an org gets is two. |
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| 16:40.47 | ferrouswheel | |Kev|: I agree there as well, but it's still an art to differentiate them in the lead up time ;-) |
| 16:40.53 | kblin | |Kev|: not sure if that's true this year |
| 16:40.58 | |Kev| | kblin: Ah, ok. |
| 16:41.02 | ferrouswheel | EoIpso: I'm with the OpenCog project: http://opencog.org |
| 16:41.10 | |Kev| | A two-person org could *just* get away with mentoring one student, possibly. |
| 16:41.20 | |Kev| | I'd still suggest looking for an umbrella to work under instead, though. |
| 16:41.42 | kblin | |Kev|: also, fyodor from nmap single-handedly mentored up to five students in the first years |
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| 16:42.06 | |Kev| | kblin: I've mentored multiple students at once in the past. I don't think it's the ideal situation. |
| 16:42.24 | kblin | drj11: but yes, what |Kev| said is true, if there's any org you could join forces with out there, consider applying together |
| 16:42.24 | drj11 | |Kev| well, our application is done and dusted now, http://code.google.com/p/ccc-gistemp/wiki/GSoCOrgApp . |
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| 16:42.28 | |Kev| | Maybe some mentors are just super-mentors :) |
| 16:42.49 | drj11 | if we knew earlier that ssi|neil was offering to be an umbrella then we probably would've gone down that route. |
| 16:43.06 | |Kev| | drj11: You still have time :) |
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| 16:43.12 | kblin | drj11: no reason why you can't do that |
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| 16:44.48 | kblin | so the way I understood carols, this year with the mentoring-mentors thing going on, they're considering taking on smaller orgs that might get juts one slot |
| 16:44.49 | ferrouswheel | I think it depends on the personal amount of time that mentors have. For those that can dedicate all their time to a project, mentoring several students isn't too difficult. If you've got a full time job on something unrelated and kids demanding attention then mentoring one student might be the limit! |
| 16:45.04 | drj11 | |kev|: "we still have time", i suppose so, yes. according to a strict interpretation of the clock. I have 15 minutes 2 seconds left though. |
| 16:45.21 | ssi|neil | drj11: we're still happy to accept project ideas from you, though there's no guarantee we'll be accepted - we're quite a small umbrella org :-/ |
| 16:45.36 | ferrouswheel | breaks into "the final countdown" |
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| 16:45.47 | |Kev| | Dahdaduhmduhm. |
| 16:46.21 | |Kev| | When I was doing a particularly big deployment once, I put on Ride of the Valkyries quite loud as we were leading up to go-live :) |
| 16:47.04 | kblin | drj11: the good part is that you can look for an umbrealla org willing to take your ideas even after the deadline |
| 16:47.24 | ferrouswheel | |Kev|: Awesome |
| 16:47.43 | ssi|neil | drj11: as kblin says - always good to have multiple options :) |
| 16:47.43 | drj11 | ssi|neil: well perhaps your ideas page should point at ours? http://code.google.com/p/ccc-gistemp/wiki/GSoC2011 |
| 16:47.46 | kblin | so you could try to get in by yourself (which gives more exposure to the project) and then look for a suitable umbrella org if that didn't work |
| 16:47.48 | DrJoel | looks forward to gsoc :) |
| 16:48.11 | drj11 | ssi|neil: we're quite happy to mentor a student under your umbrella if we're not accepted and you are. and we find a student, and all that. |
| 16:48.16 | |Kev| | DrJoel: Me too, even more than previous years. We've got so many exciting project ideas this year. |
| 16:48.21 | ferrouswheel | DrJoel: I find your name intriguing and wish to subscribe to your newsletter (my name is Joel and I'm a "Dr" too ;-) ) |
| 16:48.48 | kblin | we actually gave a slot to a fellow project that way last year |
| 16:48.51 | ssi|neil | drj11: sure - will do that. Reminds me that I have to do that for another new org this year whom some of our previous mentors are putting in an application |
| 16:48.57 | drj11 | ah, i'm so glad I'm family with all of your internet traditions (and memes never die out). |
| 16:48.59 | |Kev| | There was someone in the lab around the corner from mine doing his PhD, named Mr. Payne. We thought it was great when he got his doctorate :) |
| 16:49.19 | EoIpso | Was his first name Max? |
| 16:49.32 | DrJoel | ferrouswheel: cool.. |
| 16:49.34 | |Kev| | No, the important thing was that he ended up Dr. Payne. |
| 16:49.38 | ferrouswheel | |Kev|: hah - the best authorship on a paper I've seen is "Joy & Death" |
| 16:49.42 | drj11 | kblin: as you see, I am executing your suggestions already, with ssi|neil |
| 16:49.47 | |Kev| | ferrouswheel: Ok, that's good. |
| 16:50.13 | |Kev| | Although back when I was young, the local Reverand was the Reverand Vicars (spelling uncertain). |
| 16:50.14 | kblin | drj11: good. best of luck :) |
| 16:51.05 | ferrouswheel | okay, before I start derailing #gsoc too far off topic in my sleep deprived state I'm going to sign off. Good luck everyone with your applications! |
| 16:51.15 | |Kev| | ferrouswheel: gn. |
| 16:51.37 | drj11 | kblin: thanks! |
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| 16:56.00 | ssi|neil | drj11: link added to our page at http://www.software.ac.uk/what-do-we-do/google-summer-of-code :) |
| 16:56.58 | drj11 | ssi|neil: that's great! |
| 16:58.07 | ssi|neil | drj11: we should get in touch offline to discuss your thoughts about improving code clarity - we're looking to see if we can make a push on this in the UK academic community |
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| 16:59.54 | drj11 | ssi|neil: definitely. you know cameron neylon, right? |
| 17:00.18 | ssi|neil | drj11: yup, and just come off the phone with Greg Wilson |
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| 17:00.42 | evanpro | Gar |
| 17:00.56 | evanpro | "Backup Admin (Link ID)" |
| 17:01.06 | evanpro | "This link ID is in wrong format. " |
| 17:01.13 | evanpro | WTF is a "link id"? |
| 17:01.21 | ssi|neil | (who isn't really UK but well known in the community, and doing a lot of work with UK projects) |
| 17:01.31 | anth_r | everyone gets a link_id when you register with melange. |
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| 17:01.51 | anth_r | see the upper right corner of the melange window. |
| 17:02.00 | ssi|neil | evanpro: you can see yours at the top beside your Google ID when you're logged in to Melange |
| 17:02.00 | anth_r | put the link_id for your backup admin in that field. |
| 17:02.07 | evanpro | OK! |
| 17:02.11 | drj11 | ssi|neil: yes, we know Greg Wilson. I subscribe to his "newsletter". And we almost met up with him when he was giving a workshop at the MetO. |
| 17:02.17 | evanpro | So I need to ask the backup admin what they see up there |
| 17:02.32 | ssi|neil | evanpro: yup :) |
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| 17:03.06 | philogb | Hi, I completed the application (and submit it) a few days ago, now I just wanted to check that everything was alright and I'm getting an empty form in the applications page for GSoC |
| 17:03.20 | philogb | does anyone know where I can find the application I wrote? |
| 17:03.23 | evanpro | ssi|neil: I can't get it off last year's project pages? |
| 17:03.32 | philogb | or to check whether it's still there? |
| 17:03.35 | gevaerts | philogb: are you signed in correctly? |
| 17:03.37 | anth_r | evanpro: if it's the same, you can. |
| 17:03.56 | ssi|neil | philogb: try clicking on the link which says List My Organisation Applications |
| 17:03.59 | philogb | gevaerts: thanks for your answer, yes I am |
| 17:03.59 | evanpro | anth_r: it is the same person, but I can't find their link_id on the project pages |
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| 17:04.37 | philogb | ssi|neil oh great, I didn't see that link, thanks! |
| 17:05.30 | adam_vollrath | Do I see correctly that the deadline for mentoring applications is 23:00 UTC which is six hours from now? |
| 17:05.33 | ssi|neil | evanpro: under the GSoC 2010 menu on the left hand side in melange, click on List my Organization Applications, then click on the appropriate one, then you should see the backup admins link_id at the bottom of the page |
| 17:05.38 | gevaerts | adam_vollrath: yes |
| 17:05.43 | evanpro | Oh, great |
| 17:06.14 | adam_vollrath | Our Ideas wiki page is about half-complete; does that need to be completed by 23:00 as well, or just during the review process next week? |
| 17:06.45 | evanpro | OK, I think we're in |
| 17:08.18 | ssi|neil | evanpro: :) |
| 17:08.33 | evanpro | ssi|neil: Indeed! |
| 17:08.36 | gevaerts | adam_vollrath: I suspect only the google people can give a reliable answer to that |
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| 17:15.40 | |Kev| | adam_vollrath: You want your ideas page to be competent before anyone reviews it as part of your application, IMO. |
| 17:16.05 | adam_vollrath | Right, so does that review happen March 14th as the timeline says? |
| 17:16.10 | gevaerts | I guess the question is really "Do the google people plan on doing overtime this weekend" |
| 17:16.18 | |Kev| | I would believe the timeline, personally. |
| 17:16.38 | |Kev| | I have no basis for this, other than that carols has no reason to try and trick the orgs into incomplete ideas pages :) |
| 17:17.18 | gevaerts | nods |
| 17:18.31 | adam_vollrath | I'm planning on putting in overtime on the ideas page, but I'd like that to be tomorrow not tonight. |
| 17:19.05 | |Kev| | If I was paranoid about this, I could put a note at the top of the ideas page saying how you're expecting it to be complete by 14th or such. |
| 17:19.58 | |Kev| | Well, you know what I mean, without me mixing I and You up :) |
| 17:20.31 | gevaerts | |Kev|: who knows what who means? :) |
| 17:21.17 | |Kev| | Nevermind :) |
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| 17:53.10 | anth_r | Is the list of applied orgs published, or just the accepted ones (once that happens)? |
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| 17:54.55 | anth_r | s/published/going to be published/ |
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| 17:56.14 | ssi|neil | ChristopheT: my understanding is that it will be requested later in the process (like in previous years), although only a google peep can answer definitively |
| 17:56.23 | koda|work | !next |
| 17:56.24 | socinfo | koda|work: "next" is 23:00 UTC on Friday, March 11 - Mentoring organization application deadline |
| 17:56.39 | ssi|neil | ChristopheT: if not, then I am in the same position as you :-/ |
| 18:01.32 | ChristopheT | ssi|neil: Thanks. I guess it will be like previous years then (this is the first time we apply). |
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| 18:18.49 | carols | sips some tea on the opensource couch |
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| 18:21.16 | mlankhorst | mmm open source |
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| 18:24.35 | carols | hey mlankhorst |
| 18:24.37 | carols | happy friday |
| 18:25.30 | mlankhorst | hey :) |
| 18:25.37 | mlankhorst | time for you to work :P |
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| 18:31.14 | carols | mlankhorst: nah, i dont work. i just send emails. |
| 18:31.57 | gevaerts | also gets some tea :) |
| 18:32.04 | carols | hey gevaerts |
| 18:32.06 | carols | happy friday |
| 18:32.23 | gevaerts | Likewise! |
| 18:32.32 | gevaerts | wants this weekend to last forever |
| 18:32.55 | mlankhorst | carols: :D |
| 18:35.03 | gevaerts | sees food! |
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| 18:36.28 | |Kev| | Ahh, pizza. |
| 18:36.39 | nisarg | hello! i wanted to know how much of programming experience is required for a student to be able to make a project on soc? |
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| 18:36.41 | |Kev| | Happy nearly weekend, carols. |
| 18:36.53 | |Kev| | nisarg: Entirely dependent on the project. |
| 18:36.54 | pygi | depends nisarg |
| 18:37.02 | |Kev| | nisarg: Find some projects you're interested in, and ask them. |
| 18:37.12 | pygi | if you're working with |Kev|, you need to be beyond wizard level :p |
| 18:37.25 | |Kev| | To compensate? :p |
| 18:37.25 | carols | thanks |Kev| |
| 18:37.50 | carols | nisarg: http://www.booki.cc/gsocstudentguide/_v/1.0/am-i-good-enough/ |
| 18:37.50 | nisarg | and the language? java, c?? i mean i know that wud depend on the project, but do they have enough java projects? |
| 18:37.53 | nisarg | lol |
| 18:37.57 | pygi | sure they do |
| 18:38.31 | nisarg | oh wow! thanks for that! |
| 18:38.39 | dberkholz | happy friday indeed |
| 18:38.47 | nisarg | i surely do have 'some' programming exp |
| 18:38.47 | dberkholz | i'm headed to texas next week. anyone here from houston? |
| 18:38.53 | nisarg | acutally more that some |
| 18:39.28 | carols | dberkholz: our new ospo team member is from texas. you want me to get you in touch with her? |
| 18:39.56 | dberkholz | carols: is she based there? i'm more interested in meeting some foss people than finding stuff to do by myself |
| 18:40.08 | carols | dberkholz: ah, ok. no, she's in mtv now |
| 18:40.22 | |Kev| | dberkholz: Texas is *near* Wales, UK, right? :) |
| 18:40.35 | dberkholz | i've got a conference during the day, but nights are fairly open |
| 18:40.38 | carols | but I'm sure she has lots of restaurant recommendations :-) |
| 18:41.27 | dberkholz | ah, re-reading that "am i good enough" page just reminded me of another thing to put in our app template. |
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| 18:41.32 | dberkholz | working hours |
| 18:41.42 | |Kev| | In what sense? |
| 18:41.44 | dberkholz | or at least to collect later on |
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| 18:42.17 | dberkholz | basically so we know when to expect the student to be working and responsive to email,irc, etc |
| 18:42.26 | kblin | 9-5, with 4 hours off ;) |
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| 18:42.44 | carols | kblin: 9-5 in who's timezone? :-) |
| 18:43.07 | kblin | carols: if the student is working 20h a day, I don't care much ;) |
| 18:43.11 | dberkholz | i guess i should put it into the template, that way we can match timezones better with mentors |
| 18:43.17 | |Kev| | dberkholz: Ah, yes, that's worthwhile. We typically ask 'can you commit to 8hour day equivalents', but asking them makes much more sense. Thanks. |
| 18:43.17 | carols | kblin: fair enough :-) |
| 18:43.45 | pygi | |Kev|: there's no point in 8 hour day if peeps can do it in 4 :p |
| 18:44.02 | |Kev| | pygi: This conversation has been had by many people many times. |
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| 18:44.10 | |Kev| | Safest to just assume people are reasonable. |
| 18:44.13 | pygi | |Kev|: I have to start it again :p |
| 18:44.23 | gregglind | So, deadline is today, it seems :) Foolish me for being late on this. |
| 18:44.27 | dberkholz | that's a matter of opinion on whether gsoc is more of a contract job or a workday job |
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| 18:44.44 | |Kev| | But if people do the work that gets agreed at the start of the project, and work 30minute days, power to them. |
| 18:44.47 | pygi | dberkholz: its a fun job :P |
| 18:44.55 | carols | gregglind: you're in good company. we have gotten an extra 150 applications in the last 24 hours :-P |
| 18:44.59 | |Kev| | But I'd like to know in advance if they've got three jobs they're working, and can only afford those hours. |
| 18:45.06 | dongpu | |Kev|: what's the channel for your project group? |
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| 18:45.37 | |Kev| | xmpp:jdev@conference.jabber.org?join for my umbrella org. xmpp:swift@rooms.swift.im?join for my software project. |
| 18:46.04 | MatthewWilkes | carols! :) |
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| 18:47.01 | carols | MatthewWilkes! happy friday :-) |
| 18:47.25 | gregglind | carols, did you happen to be at pycon last year talking about it? I am confused about some of the most basic parts of things. We are a company (Renesys) that would love to get some bugs ironed out in PyRadix. We can provide mentorship. Does that make us an 'organization' |
| 18:47.35 | MatthewWilkes | carols: Thanks. Happy deadline :) |
| 18:47.56 | DrJoel | 150 in 24 hours is a lot.. |
| 18:47.56 | carols | gregglind: no, i've never been to pycon. leslie might have been there, though. i'm not sure. have you read the FAQs? |
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| 18:48.05 | carols | MatthewWilkes: thanks. it's been a rough day already |
| 18:48.08 | MatthewWilkes | carols: First time since finding out about SoC that I've not been writing the plone application, I feel so out of control |
| 18:48.18 | carols | MatthewWilkes: wow, what a change! |
| 18:48.50 | dberkholz | carols: accepted orgs can fiddle around with the template more extensively later on, right? |
| 18:48.52 | MatthewWilkes | kevin7kal's our new hero, I'm backup :P |
| 18:48.59 | carols | dberkholz: correct |
| 18:49.08 | gregglind | I have read some faqs, clearly not the right ones, or I have failed to grok them properly :) |
| 18:49.19 | dberkholz | great. i can never trust my memory for things i did a week ago, let alone a year ago. |
| 18:49.20 | |Kev| | Jolly good - we've not even got one yet, that's harder to put together than the application form :) |
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| 18:49.27 | carols | MatthewWilkes: oh! did i tell you i realized i have a friend in the plone community? completely by sheer small-worldness? |
| 18:49.30 | pygi | gregglind: do you have a foss project with community around it and history for releases? |
| 18:49.32 | pygi | if so, you're an org |
| 18:49.38 | MatthewWilkes | carols: No! Who is it? |
| 18:49.47 | gregglind | Pygi. great summary! Where do people go who want to be mentors then? |
| 18:50.03 | pygi | gregglind: you have to submit mentor names in the org application |
| 18:50.10 | pygi | they are mostly from your project |
| 18:50.13 | gregglind | ahahah! got it. Thank you. |
| 18:50.24 | |Kev| | pygi: Is that true? I didn't see that field on the copy of the form I saw. |
| 18:50.29 | gregglind | Next year then. |
| 18:50.31 | pygi | |Kev|: that's how I remember it :) |
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| 18:50.42 | pygi | |Kev|: I'm not sure if its here this year |
| 18:50.44 | |Kev| | I didn't fill ours out, I only checked a saved webpage copy of it. |
| 18:50.57 | dberkholz | gregglind: fwiw, python also acts as an umbrella organization for python projects with at least 3 potential mentors |
| 18:51.01 | |Kev| | I didn't see a list of mentors though. |
| 18:51.03 | |Kev| | goes to check. |
| 18:51.06 | pygi | but basically, yea, at least you have to mention number of mentors :p |
| 18:51.09 | pygi | and mentors apply to org then |
| 18:51.23 | pygi | gregglind: yea I think its a bit too late now |
| 18:51.23 | dberkholz | gregglind: see http://wiki.python.org/moin/SummerOfCode/2011 -- "prospective mentors" |
| 18:51.25 | dongpu | the list of mentor will come out on Mar 18 |
| 18:51.26 | gregglind | dberkholz, thanks. I think we were too slow on the draw this year, but next year. |
| 18:51.29 | carols | MatthewWilkes: i'll email you about it. its actually kind of a funny story :-P |
| 18:51.53 | gregglind | dberkholz, this would be an interesting open space discussion |
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| 18:52.00 | dberkholz | gregglind: catch Arc on irc and ask him... |
| 18:52.04 | mlankhorst | what did I miss? :P |
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| 18:52.08 | |Kev| | Well, either this form is incomplete, or it doesn't ask for mentor names. |
| 18:52.10 | pygi | mlankhorst: cookies, naturally :P |
| 18:52.12 | kblin | gregglind: you can still add proposed projects |
| 18:52.16 | mlankhorst | mm |
| 18:52.18 | pygi | |Kev|: :P |
| 18:52.26 | kblin | |Kev|: we never had to give mentor names on the org application |
| 18:52.36 | pygi | ya ya, its the number of potential mentors then! |
| 18:52.39 | pygi | I'm sure it was something |
| 18:52.41 | kblin | no |
| 18:52.42 | |Kev| | Nor that. |
| 18:52.45 | pygi | sleeps way too little |
| 18:52.47 | pygi | hm? you sure? |
| 18:52.48 | gregglind | kblin, thanks! Will do. Ours might more sense as a private bounty. thanks for the discussion. |
| 18:53.15 | MatthewWilkes | carols: :D btw, did the schadenfreude show when I was answering the fedex brute-forcer? |
| 18:53.24 | dberkholz | carols: we're starting to get ideas from gentoo derivatives, i'm psyched about it |
| 18:53.25 | kblin | gregglind: that's something you probably need to discuss with the umbrella organization |
| 18:53.45 | kblin | gregglind: but if your main interest is getting code output, you're probably better off outside of gsoc |
| 18:54.01 | carols | MatthewWilkes: not in the slightest. thank you for responding because i most certainly couldn't do it without flaming at that point |
| 18:54.02 | kblin | gregglind: gsoc is more about getting people involved in open source |
| 18:54.09 | carols | dberkholz: awesome! i'm glad to hear it |
| 18:54.34 | DrJoel | carols: GCI t-shirt and sticker are appreciated. Haven't heard from any of the local students I knew about them receiving anything yet |
| 18:55.07 | carols | DrJoel: yeah, it doesn't follow any rhyme or reason why some people get them when they do. has nothing to do with when we send it or where you live |
| 18:55.37 | kblin | DrJoel: we're starting to use fedex as a PRNG |
| 18:55.46 | gregglind | kblin, I get it fully :) gsoc is splendid! Our resource we have is mentor-time. trying to figure out the best way to use it! |
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| 18:56.29 | DrJoel | kblin: :-D on the other side, my G2 broke and 25 hours later FedEx had delivered a replacement.. so there you have the other extreme |
| 18:56.44 | kblin | gregglind: the folks running the python gsoc application are the people to talk to then :) |
| 18:57.05 | kblin | gregglind: and of course we're always happy to answer non-org-specific stuff here |
| 18:57.07 | |Kev| | I have had better FedEx experiences than most other couriers, for the little it's worth. |
| 18:57.34 | dberkholz | i don't know if i ever did get the gsoc t-shirt from last year. maybe it showed up at my old apartment |
| 18:57.37 | kblin | prefers DHL, but mostly because they have an office right across the street |
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| 18:57.47 | dberkholz | at least i got the summit one, thanks to picking it up myself |
| 18:57.48 | |Kev| | I'm wearing mine Right Now. |
| 18:58.09 | kblin | dberkholz: it's bright green, you should remember or find out pretty easily |
| 18:58.13 | brlcad | hey kblin, ltns |
| 18:58.20 | kblin | I totally love the color :) |
| 18:58.22 | dberkholz | hmm. doubt it then |
| 18:58.25 | kblin | brlcad: hey, indeedy |
| 18:59.33 | dberkholz | i'm acquiring quite a collection of google clothing, so i don't always remember what's what |
| 18:59.57 | dberkholz | i've even gotten ospo clothes for my kids a couple of times |
| 18:59.59 | brlcad | question about the org app form -- if it's submitted partially incomplete (just to make sure we have something in long before the deadline), can we pick up where we left off and keep updating/resubmitting it, or will it just cause N submissions to get made? |
| 19:00.23 | kblin | brlcad: you can edit it.. for a couple of more hours |
| 19:00.24 | |Kev| | brlcad: There isn't "long before the deadline" left, but you can update your app. |
| 19:01.04 | brlcad | well, not within the last half hour when a bunch of other people are all rushing to update/submit and the server gets bogged down ;) |
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| 19:01.17 | brlcad | thanks |
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| 19:02.07 | kblin | brlcad: there's a link for "list my org applications" in the left panel |
| 19:02.13 | kblin | your app will show up there |
| 19:02.21 | brlcad | awesome, thanks kai |
| 19:02.44 | brlcad | new it worked the year before last, but wanted to make sure before I hit the submit button |
| 19:03.50 | DrJoel | I saw talk in here a while back about some effort to "declutter" the Left Hand Side since previous programs can consume some screen space. Is that still planned? |
| 19:04.03 | |Kev| | DrJoel: It's done, isn't it? |
| 19:04.08 | |Kev| | I don't see older programs anymore. |
| 19:04.29 | carols | DrJoel: we have a whole UI redesign in the works |
| 19:04.49 | dberkholz | heh. please don't implement it immediately before any deadlines. =) |
| 19:05.10 | kblin | |Kev|: you can still unfold them |
| 19:05.17 | carols | dberkholz: what? i can't just launch an entirely new site with a redesigned backend before the org app deadline? |
| 19:05.19 | |Kev| | Oh, I'm probably just being stupid. I see back to 2009, which was the first Melange year, right? |
| 19:05.20 | carols | say it ain't so. |
| 19:05.27 | |Kev| | I was thinking "I can't see 2006 there". |
| 19:05.27 | carols | |Kev|: yes |
| 19:05.27 | reburg | should i just be completely unconcerned about the newlines the org application form is inserting in my entries? |
| 19:05.28 | DrJoel | carols: cool.. Melange has come a long way |
| 19:05.47 | |Kev| | reburg: That is unavoidable AFAIK. |
| 19:05.54 | DrJoel | |Kev|: yes.. on first year of Melange |
| 19:05.55 | dberkholz | DrJoel: your nick makes me jealous. maybe i should change mine. |
| 19:06.00 | kblin | carols: well, you probably can.. the question is not ability but wisdom of that decision :) |
| 19:06.01 | carols | DrJoel: yes it has. a looong way. kicking and screaming at some points. |
| 19:06.19 | |Kev| | dberkholz: Everyone should change nicks to represent their qualifications ;) |
| 19:06.21 | kblin | dberkholz: you mean adding an r after the first char ;) |
| 19:06.24 | dberkholz | i guess it's about the only place you ever heard Dr. applied to non-MDs |
| 19:06.25 | carols | kblin: oh, details. its more fun this way! ;-) |
| 19:06.44 | DrJoel | carols: did the GCI students whine about it too much? I know one of the test phases, I had my high school kids and friends try it out. They were confused back then. |
| 19:07.08 | DrJoel | dberkholz: Joel was taken when I registered mine |
| 19:07.08 | kblin | carols: sure, as long as you can live with the Can I haz extension???!? from the orgs :) |
| 19:07.09 | reburg | actually, i just noticed that the bug says its been fixed as of 2 hours ago |
| 19:07.09 | brlcad | carols: awesome that's great news (gui) .. any chance that's getting involvement from the open usability project? |
| 19:07.11 | carols | DrJoel: everyone whines about melange at one point or another. it's like a rite of passage to participating in gsoc or gci |
| 19:07.29 | carols | kblin: if they're not asking for that they'll be asking for something else anyway :-) |
| 19:07.29 | brlcad | heh |
| 19:07.32 | jhf | chuckles at that "everyone whines" |
| 19:07.43 | David_Honeynet | heh :) |
| 19:07.45 | reburg | it HAS been fixed, hooray |
| 19:07.50 | kblin | !extension |
| 19:07.56 | kblin | hmm |
| 19:08.01 | kblin | socinfo? |
| 19:08.04 | kblin | bad bot |
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| 19:08.12 | carols | brlcad: nope. we had an outside org do the redesign and the melange guys are tying it in the backend now |
| 19:08.20 | brlcad | k, thx |
| 19:08.45 | dberkholz | carols: even worse is during the student selection period |
| 19:09.00 | carols | dberkholz: oh yeah, for sure |
| 19:09.03 | dberkholz | we're already spending every spare minute sorting out all those students and projects |
| 19:09.18 | DrJoel | carols: my fav Melange bug is when they inverted who had and had not done their student reviews. I ended up emailing every mentor and student who HAD turned theirs in. LOL |
| 19:09.24 | carols | dberkholz: i joke about it but it's actually a huge undertaking and it's been going on for the last 8 months |
| 19:09.36 | carols | DrJoel: nice :-) |
| 19:10.07 | cbmuser | anyone with admin powers on Melange here? |
| 19:10.29 | carols | cbmuser: you might want to just email the dev list. they're available |
| 19:10.46 | kblin | hm, I wonder where I put my bot |
| 19:10.57 | cbmuser | I want my application to be removed since we're cooperating with another project |
| 19:11.07 | dberkholz | carols: btw, i'm still playing with all those numbers you sent. it'll be at least a month before i've got anything set |
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| 19:11.12 | carols | cbmuser: yeah, please just email the list. they'll take care of it for you |
| 19:11.23 | carols | dberkholz: sure, i'm in no rush :-) thanks for working on it |
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| 19:11.37 | kblin | there |
| 19:11.39 | carols | dberkholz: hey, how's the replica doing? |
| 19:11.42 | dberkholz | i love data-driven improvements |
| 19:11.47 | carols | thanks kblin :-) |
| 19:11.49 | kblin | !extension |
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| 19:11.56 | carols | !couch |
| 19:11.56 | socinfo | carols: "couch" is An open source couch on which to chill. |
| 19:11.59 | carols | yay :-) |
| 19:12.05 | kblin | ah, right, I shut off the complaints for invalid factioids |
| 19:12.08 | dberkholz | carols: you mean mini me? |
| 19:12.12 | carols | dberkholz: yep! |
| 19:12.15 | kblin | !learn extension as No! |
| 19:12.16 | socinfo | kblin: The operation succeeded. |
| 19:12.21 | kblin | !extension |
| 19:12.21 | socinfo | kblin: "extension" is No! |
| 19:12.24 | kblin | hm |
| 19:12.30 | kblin | !forget extension |
| 19:12.30 | socinfo | kblin: The operation succeeded. |
| 19:12.47 | kblin | !learn extension as not planned. |
| 19:12.48 | socinfo | kblin: The operation succeeded. |
| 19:12.49 | dberkholz | carols: pretty sick at the moment, unfortunately. but in general, doing what 9-month-old babies do. except he's such a chubber that he isn't even crawling yet |
| 19:12.49 | kblin | there |
| 19:13.12 | carols | dberkholz: hehe sounds like a cutie :-) |
| 19:14.13 | dberkholz | carols: here's a pic of our 2yo, autumn, but i don't have one of max handy -- http://dev.gentoo.org/~dberkholz/personal/pics/autumn_snow.jpg |
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| 19:14.29 | carols | dberkholz: aw! that's a great pic :-) |
| 19:14.53 | dberkholz | did i facebook you? there's tons on there for your voluminous free time |
| 19:14.56 | carols | dberkholz: snowing out there right now? |
| 19:15.03 | carols | dberkholz: um, im not sure? let me check |
| 19:15.18 | dberkholz | we just got a few inches this week. that pic's from december though |
| 19:15.20 | carols | dberkholz: yes! looks like we are friends |
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| 19:15.31 | kblin | facewhat? |
| 19:15.33 | kblin | ;) |
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| 19:16.37 | carols | kblin: yeah, i don't know. |
| 19:18.11 | dberkholz | we're pragmatic folk at gentoo. being able to get stuff done counts more than doing everything openly, no matter what. |
| 19:18.39 | |Kev| | The new Federated Channels stuff looks like an interesting way to do Facebook stuff openly. I hope something comes of it. |
| 19:18.49 | dberkholz | if there were an open facebook where any of my non-tech friends actually were, i'd be there instead. |
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| 19:19.33 | kblin | dberkholz: well, I don't really get all that social network stuff.. so far most of the stuff I get via facebook is stuff I'd consider spam... :) |
| 19:19.58 | kblin | like an invite to go see our head of state while she's in town... who cares... |
| 19:20.24 | dberkholz | for me, it's basically a combination of a high-school reunion and all the other friends i've left behind when i moved away.. |
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| 19:21.15 | kblin | I'm mainly on there to keep up with the theatre folks I know, they're unable to use other forms of communication |
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| 19:22.06 | |Kev| | It got me in touch with some old school friends, which let me invite them to the wedding a few years ago. I have to appreciate the good it can do, mixed in with the badness of closed silos. |
| 19:23.00 | pitanga | this is a question from the orgazation application form: 'If accepted, would this be your first year participating in GSoC?If accepted, would this be your first year participating in GSoC?' Is this question about _me_, the org admin, or the org itself? |
| 19:23.12 | carols | pitanga: the org |
| 19:23.22 | kblin | ha! |
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| 19:23.41 | kblin | |Kev|: there you have it, you narcist ;) |
| 19:23.51 | |Kev| | kblin: :) |
| 19:24.25 | pitanga | carols: it is confusing, specially because of the next question: 'Did your organization participate in past GSoCs? If so, please summarize your involvement and the successes and challenges of your participation.' |
| 19:24.44 | carols | pitanga: sorry to hear its confusing, but it's referring to the org. |
| 19:24.44 | pitanga | carols: I guess this one is about the (possible) org admin, right? |
| 19:24.49 | kblin | pitanga: well, the second one is more for the "if so" |
| 19:24.59 | kblin | no, still the org |
| 19:25.03 | carols | pitanga: nope, none of the questions are for the org admin him/herself |
| 19:25.05 | kblin | it's all about the org |
| 19:25.11 | |Kev| | carols: This was the most FAQ of today, btw, so it's probably worth a reword next year, if there's a next year. |
| 19:25.16 | carols | what kblin said |
| 19:25.18 | gjoseph | pitanga all those questions are about the org, and you can simply state "n/a" if you replied "no" to the former... |
| 19:25.19 | |Kev| | kblin: It's all about *me* :) |
| 19:25.30 | carols | |Kev|: th most FAQ? i don't parse. |
| 19:25.34 | kblin | even further down when they ask for "your ideas page", they mean the org and not your twitter feed ;) |
| 19:25.41 | gjoseph | |Kev|: you onto some end of the world theory for 2011? |
| 19:25.42 | |Kev| | It was the most frequently asked question of today. |
| 19:25.44 | pitanga | ok, thanks everybody! |
| 19:25.47 | kblin | carols: it has been asked a lot today |
| 19:25.52 | carols | |Kev|: oh, i see |
| 19:25.58 | carols | fair enough |
| 19:26.03 | carols | more feedback for next year |
| 19:26.06 | carols | always iterating |
| 19:26.21 | |Kev| | When it's perfect, we can stop :) |
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| 19:26.39 | carols | |Kev|: yep, that's my deal with myself :-) |
| 19:26.56 | Catfish_Man | |Kev|: no, when it's perfect you start debugging your idea of perfection |
| 19:27.00 | Catfish_Man | because clearly something is wrong |
| 19:27.28 | |Kev| | carols: You're a Smith, that must make you pretty close to start :) |
| 19:27.34 | |Kev| | Catfish_Man: Indeed :) |
| 19:27.56 | carols | |Kev|: it made me un-googleable actually, which is pretty darn close |
| 19:28.05 | kblin | hehe |
| 19:28.16 | |Kev| | carols: I managed, when you took over GSoC, if you remember :) |
| 19:28.32 | |Kev| | And Carol Smith is a lot more Googleable for you, than Kevin Smith is for me. |
| 19:28.41 | carols | |Kev|: oh yeah, i'm sure you found all the stuff i specifically created for my work persona :-) |
| 19:28.43 | |Kev| | (Clue: They weren't my movies) |
| 19:29.15 | |Kev| | Sure, I don't remember what I found, I'm entirely prepared to accept it wasn't anything interesting. |
| 19:29.21 | carols | :-) |
| 19:29.45 | carols | |Kev|: by design. |
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| 19:30.06 | Catfish_Man | ablative search armor |
| 19:30.21 | |Kev| | You wouldn't find anything interesting if you Googled me. That's not by design, there's simply nothing interesting to find. |
| 19:30.40 | carols | |Kev|: that's certainly a different position to be in :-) |
| 19:30.41 | |Kev| | I think you'd end up with many years of XMPP work, and a thesis. |
| 19:31.04 | gevaerts | doesn't recommend having a less popular name. People will then not tab-complete and spell it wrong |
| 19:31.26 | |Kev| | Although, amusingly, my thesis is the top Google hit for the name of a friend of mine. She likes that I made her 'famous'. |
| 19:31.41 | kblin | hehe |
| 19:31.55 | kblin | ha! |
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| 19:32.09 | kblin | finally my personal website overtook the wine wiki |
| 19:32.18 | |Kev| | Heh. |
| 19:32.35 | |Kev| | Please don't depress me by encouraging me to see how far you have to go to find me in amongst the hits. |
| 19:32.43 | DrJoel | kblin: congratulations? |
| 19:32.52 | kblin | wth? |
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| 19:33.04 | kblin | there's an Anna-Maria Kaiblin? |
| 19:33.15 | kblin | I feel ripped off |
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| 19:33.57 | |Kev| | Oh. Hit one of page 2. I find that surprising. |
| 19:34.33 | gevaerts | The day one finds out one is not unique is always a sad day :) |
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| 19:35.27 | kblin | gevaerts: but a person having the concatentation of your first and last name as last name? that's just weird |
| 19:35.36 | |Kev| | I think the cartoonist on a show I used to like as a very small child had the same name. That illusion didn't last long. |
| 19:35.57 | gevaerts | kblin: if that happened to me, I'd suddenly become *very* paranoid |
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| 19:38.37 | kblin | wonders if he can get the university email system send him a text if specific mails come in |
| 19:39.02 | kblin | it's pretty boring to babysit a server |
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| 19:40.05 | |Kev| | kblin: I used to have my (computational) experiments send me an XMPP message when they completed. |
| 19:41.37 | kblin | |Kev|: I am getting an email when my daemon fails.. I'd just like to get a text instead so I don't need to keep watching my email program |
| 19:42.00 | kblin | I guess one of these days I'll have to fold and get a smartphone |
| 19:42.09 | |Kev| | You could tail -f | grep your spool file, and pipe that into something that sends an SMS? |
| 19:42.10 | kblin | too bad meego's essentially dead |
| 19:42.19 | |Kev| | Yes, that's upsetting. |
| 19:42.33 | |Kev| | I had an N900 for the weekend at FOSDEM 2010, and it was really quite fun. |
| 19:42.39 | schumaml | kblin: I could sell you something that'll accomplish this task. what's your budget? :) |
| 19:42.51 | |Kev| | So I'm still on evilOS at the moment. |
| 19:43.04 | kblin | schumaml: I'm a grad student, guess :) |
| 19:43.14 | schumaml | five figures? |
| 19:43.25 | gevaerts | schumaml: which currency? |
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| 19:43.42 | kblin | schumaml: in rupies, probably |
| 19:44.08 | kblin | |Kev|: which of them? so far all of them seem pretty evil |
| 19:44.19 | |Kev| | iOS. |
| 19:44.29 | kblin | ah |
| 19:44.40 | kblin | I think android is pretty naughty as well |
| 19:44.48 | |Kev| | In different ways. |
| 19:44.50 | kblin | at least if you try to deal with the NDK |
| 19:45.08 | |Kev| | Oh, what's particularly bad about the NDK? |
| 19:45.13 | kblin | sure, not all users are slave to the same company |
| 19:45.32 | kblin | bionic is almost, but not quite posix-compatible |
| 19:45.39 | kblin | the not quite keeps biting me |
| 19:45.52 | kblin | in the simulator that is, I don't have real hardware |
| 19:47.45 | kblin | I've tried compiling python for it so I could have a try at compiling samba4 |
| 19:48.19 | kblin | turns out the android libc has an empty locale struct, and python actually tries to access members of it |
| 19:48.32 | |Kev| | Well, what's the worst that could happen? :D |
| 19:49.09 | kblin | your phone could eat all the food in your fridge |
| 19:49.25 | anth_r | i'd better get to it first. brb. |
| 19:49.26 | kblin | I think that's pretty much the worst-case scenario ;) |
| 19:51.26 | |Kev| | I have already eaten pizza today. Let tomorrow look after itself :) |
| 19:51.44 | brlcad | woot, initial submission is DONE! |
| 19:51.50 | kblin | actually, I think I should try this again |
| 19:51.53 | brlcad | does a lil dance, gets a lil excited |
| 19:52.22 | kblin | if I can get samba to run on my phone, that'd be a selling point |
| 19:52.44 | |Kev| | I'm not *entirely* sure why :) |
| 19:54.17 | blast007 | "here's my domain controller making a phone call" |
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| 19:56.23 | anth_r | back. it's safe now. i've rescued the chips and dip. |
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| 19:57.14 | anth_r | brlcad: congrats! what org? |
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| 19:57.34 | anth_r | mine's been done for a little while now, but i keep going over it looking for something i missed. |
| 19:58.57 | brlcad | anth_r: BRL-CAD |
| 19:59.08 | greggy | I'd imagine this has been answered already, but our application is done. Should I just assume the last edit and save is what gets submitted, or is there a "application complete" setting somewhere. |
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| 20:01.56 | codestr0m | is it possible to delete an org application? |
| 20:02.59 | pygi | codestr0m: ask in #melange |
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| 20:04.42 | brlcad | does anyone else have trouble with line-wrapping in the org app forms? |
| 20:05.11 | brlcad | seem to be all just a character or two off causing akward line breaks getting added |
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| 20:47.08 | pitanga | Sorry if it is answered elsewhere, couldn't find: can an org admin be a mentor? |
| 20:47.44 | |Kev| | I've not checked this year, but it's been permitted in previous years. |
| 20:47.55 | |Kev| | Just be aware of the amount of work etc. involved in both. |
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| 20:55.55 | SRabbelier|Lappy | pitanga: yes, it's a very common usecase |
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| 20:56.11 | pitanga | SRabbelier|Lappy: thanks. |
| 20:56.40 | borja | pitanga: I'd recommend not doing it if it's your first time doing either. I found admin'ing to be much easier the second time around, which left enough time to mentor. |
| 20:56.47 | borja | pitanga: But that's just my $0.02 |
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| 20:57.34 | pitanga | borja: it's my first time admin'ing. I have no idea how hard it is. I've mentored before |
| 20:57.49 | SRabbelier|Lappy | pitanga: how big is your org? |
| 20:58.06 | pitanga | SRabbelier|Lappy: GNU |
| 20:58.26 | pitanga | 14 projects accepted last year. |
| 20:58.33 | |Kev| | pitanga: Well, you'll want to me keeping tags of all the mentors and students in your orgs. If you have gsoc meetings as an org (I like this), you'll be arranging them, you'll be doing the Melangey adminny things. There's enough there to keeep someone reasonably busy. |
| 20:58.53 | borja | pitanga: ah, ok. I guess what I really meant is "don't do it if it's the first time your org is in GSoC", which is not the case with GNU :-) |
| 20:59.12 | |Kev| | But I've done adminny things and mentory things at the same time, it's quite doable. |
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| 20:59.27 | borja | pitanga: The first time I admin'd was also the first year we participated in GSoC, and it was a bit of a learning process. The following years it was much easier. |
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| 20:59.40 | pygi | but you're beyond wizard-alike |Kev|, regular people like us cant compete with you :p |
| 20:59.46 | pygi | hides again |
| 20:59.56 | |Kev| | I don't know what I've done to upset people :( |
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| 21:00.10 | pygi | whom did you upset? |
| 21:00.14 | carols | hey borja, long time no see :-) |
| 21:00.29 | borja | waves to carols |
| 21:00.32 | carols | :-) |
| 21:00.34 | |Kev| | pygi: Maybe I misread between your lines. |
| 21:00.49 | pygi | |Kev|: its a joke |
| 21:00.52 | pygi | face it and accept it |
| 21:00.54 | pygi | kthx :p |
| 21:01.02 | borja | carols: I just realized I've had irssi open in a screen session since last GSoC, but wasn't actually here |
| 21:01.10 | pygi | gotta have someone to joke about each hyear :p |
| 21:01.14 | carols | borja: wow. :-) |
| 21:01.33 | borja | I need to figure out how to tell irssi to do auto-away or something like that |
| 21:01.39 | aghisla | hi carols, all :) |
| 21:01.40 | SRabbelier|Lappy | borja: I salute you :P |
| 21:01.46 | carols | hi aghisla :-) |
| 21:01.50 | |Kev| | borja: /scriptassist install autoaway.pl, or something, isn't it? |
| 21:01.51 | carols | wow, its like a little reunion in here |
| 21:01.54 | carols | must be gsoc season |
| 21:02.05 | gevaerts | pygi: by the way, we now have an idea on our list that can be trivially extended to do CD burning |
| 21:02.13 | aghisla | there is no true reunion without tea |
| 21:02.30 | pygi | gevaerts: :) |
| 21:02.38 | borja | carols: Wouldn't want to miss the pre-deadline frenzy :-D |
| 21:02.39 | SRabbelier|Lappy | <gullivers travels style>Tea, time for tea!</gullivers travels style> |
| 21:02.51 | |Kev| | borja: http://scripts.irssi.org/scripts/autoaway.pl |
| 21:02.55 | carols | borja: always fun :-) |
| 21:03.02 | carols | serves chocolate |
| 21:03.05 | borja | |Kev|: awesome, thanks! |
| 21:03.13 | aghisla | serves warm waffels |
| 21:03.14 | |Kev| | np |
| 21:04.44 | SRabbelier|Lappy | is happy to be part of another GSoC! |
| 21:05.16 | pygi | SRabbelier|Lappy: ! |
| 21:05.19 | carols | mmm waffels |
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| 21:05.50 | borja | Ok, let's see if autoaway works |
| 21:06.14 | borja | hurrah! |
| 21:06.38 | |Kev| | I vaguely remember using that script some years ago. I don't remember if it's nice silent autoaways, or nasty public autoaways, but I think it's the former. |
| 21:06.48 | EoIpso | Does anyone have any suggestions on how to handle an internship offer deadline of March 18th? I would prefer to be part of GSOC, but they don't announce accepted proposals until April 25th. |
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| 21:07.05 | borja | |Kev|: I just tried a 10-second autoaway and didn't see any public message |
| 21:07.16 | dberkholz | EoIpso: sure. take the internship. =) |
| 21:07.30 | thiago_home | EoIpso: I'd say take the internship, if it's interesting |
| 21:07.34 | |Kev| | EoIpso: The nice thing to do is to say about this on your application. You might think this would reduce your chances, but you might be surprised. |
| 21:07.52 | |Kev| | EoIpso: If you already have the internship offer Right Now, probably take it. |
| 21:08.02 | |Kev| | Even though you sounded interested in Swift projects, and I'd like good students for those :) |
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| 21:09.06 | EoIpso | Thanks for the advice guys. Looks like I'll be accepting it. I wish GSOC announced winning proposals sooner. By April 25th, most people have given up on summer internships |
| 21:09.33 | |Kev| | You can always do some OSS work in your spare time anyway :D |
| 21:09.53 | Triskelios | probably intentional to reduce the applicant volume :P |
| 21:09.53 | EoIpso | |Kev|: I might still try to get involved. I think it could be a good oportunity |
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| 21:13.47 | asmeurer | Anybody here know why you can answer both "Yes" and "No" to the question "If accepted, would this be your first year participating in GSoC?" question on the org application? |
| 21:14.04 | gevaerts | Because |
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| 21:14.13 | SRabbelier|Lappy | asmeurer: Because Melange's form code is confusing |
| 21:14.20 | gevaerts | Because "Yes and no" is the best answer for *any* question :) |
| 21:14.54 | borja | Because we want to be able to accept applications from Schrodinger's cat. |
| 21:14.58 | asmeurer | and the info box says "Please select one or more of these choices" |
| 21:15.13 | SRabbelier|Lappy | asmeurer: that's automatically done for all multi-select inputs |
| 21:15.19 | SRabbelier|Lappy | carols: correct? |
| 21:15.23 | asmeurer | Well, it is confusing me, because our org has never been accepted before, but we have have participated under umbrellas |
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| 21:16.10 | carols | SRabbelier|Lappy: hm? |
| 21:16.28 | SRabbelier|Lappy | asmeurer: sounds like the perfect opportunity to select both!! |
| 21:16.34 | SRabbelier|Lappy | carols: ^ (10:13:45 PM) asmeurer: Anybody here know why you can answer both "Yes" and "No" to the question "If accepted, would this be your first year participating in GSoC?" question on the org application? |
| 21:16.35 | gevaerts | Exactly! |
| 21:16.50 | carols | um, maybe this is a feature request for melange? |
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| 21:16.59 | |Kev| | Yes. |
| 21:17.02 | |Kev| | The field should be tri-state :) |
| 21:17.04 | asmeurer | carols: actually, I am wondering what I should answer there now |
| 21:17.05 | gevaerts | And no :) |
| 21:17.10 | carols | asmeurer: why? |
| 21:17.12 | asmeurer | is it asking if we have participated as an org, or at all? |
| 21:17.15 | SRabbelier|Lappy | carols: they're saying you _can_ select both |
| 21:17.22 | SRabbelier|Lappy | carols: you can tick both the yes and no box at the moment |
| 21:17.32 | carols | SRabbelier|Lappy: well then fix that :-) |
| 21:17.53 | SRabbelier|Lappy | carols: I think you set it to "multiselect" at some point, :P |
| 21:18.03 | carols | SRabbelier|Lappy: fair enough |
| 21:18.04 | SRabbelier|Lappy | hence me saying: (10:14:11 PM) SRabbelier|Lappy: asmeurer: Because Melange's form code is confusing |
| 21:18.14 | |Kev| | "Is this your first year in GSoC? [Yes / No / Uhmmmmm - please select the two that apply] |
| 21:18.43 | SRabbelier|Lappy | carols: question type "pick_multi" |
| 21:18.59 | asmeurer | carols: we have never been accepted as an organization, but we have worked the past few years under the umbrella of Python and some others |
| 21:19.00 | SRabbelier|Lappy | carols: should probably be "selection" |
| 21:19.00 | schumaml | "[ ] why do I have to answer this, google should know..." |
| 21:19.01 | carols | SRabbelier|Lappy: cool |
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| 21:19.11 | carols | asmeurer: so yes, you have participated. |
| 21:19.12 | SRabbelier|Lappy | carols: let's see what happens if I save changes |
| 21:19.15 | wolfb | it's clear that it's a multiple selection list. Anyway it's going to be read by a human, so you can write whatever explanation in the next box |
| 21:19.17 | asmeurer | ok, thanks |
| 21:19.17 | SRabbelier|Lappy | does that |
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| 21:19.37 | |Kev| | schumaml: Yes, bonus points for anyone who answer with an lmgtfy link in the textbox :) |
| 21:19.42 | |Kev| | *answers |
| 21:19.44 | SRabbelier|Lappy | carols: fixed |
| 21:19.50 | SRabbelier|Lappy | asmeurer: you can select only one now |
| 21:19.51 | carols | thanks |
| 21:19.55 | gevaerts | |Kev|: like http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=cache:lmgtfy.com ? :) |
| 21:20.11 | wolfb | SRabbelier|Lappy: awww... it felt so googly :P |
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| 21:20.32 | |Kev| | gevaerts: Heh. I hadn't seen that before. |
| 21:20.52 | SRabbelier|Lappy | wolfb: *grins*, ah well |
| 21:21.14 | asmeurer | SRabbelier|Lappy: thanks |
| 21:21.28 | asmeurer | I'm not about to reload the page with the form half finished, though ;) |
| 21:21.32 | gevaerts | |Kev|: if you let it run long enough, google will accuse you of being a bot and ask to click on a button to prove otherwise |
| 21:21.52 | |Kev| | gevaerts: It wouldn't be the first time. |
| 21:21.56 | gevaerts | :) |
| 21:22.51 | |Kev| | gevaerts: http://identi.ca/conversation/34614829#notice-35181436 |
| 21:22.59 | |Kev| | (3/4 and 4/4) |
| 21:23.22 | gevaerts | :) |
| 21:23.26 | |Kev| | (XEP-0107 is the User Mood spec) |
| 21:24.09 | gevaerts | As in "User said 'Moo'"? |
| 21:24.12 | gevaerts | hides |
| 21:24.42 | |Kev| | Good job, you may have just written next year's April 1st XEP. |
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| 21:25.18 | |Kev| | <message><body>Moo</body></message> |
| 21:25.28 | asmeurer | carols: sorry, another question |
| 21:25.41 | carols | asmeurer: sure? |
| 21:25.45 | SRabbelier|Lappy | gevaerts: hehe, that made me chuckle |
| 21:25.45 | asmeurer | is it ok for us to provide a link to an application template on our wiki? |
| 21:26.03 | carols | asmeurer: sure, just keep in mind if you're accepted it will be more work later porting it over to melange |
| 21:26.20 | eoc | hm, for me melange is still inserting newlines all over the place |
| 21:26.26 | gevaerts | can't remember if he discovered that lmgtfy hack himself or if he read about it somewhere |
| 21:26.26 | eoc | where did I fail? |
| 21:26.37 | |Kev| | asmeurer: You want it in Melang eventually so the students get it when they try to apply. |
| 21:26.40 | asmeurer | ok, so we will be responsible for doing that? |
| 21:26.41 | |Kev| | +e |
| 21:26.49 | carols | asmeurer: yes. |
| 21:26.54 | asmeurer | ok |
| 21:27.06 | asmeurer | We have it on our wiki so that the whole community can edit it |
| 21:27.28 | carols | asmeurer: great |
| 21:28.05 | wolfb | asmeurer: so do we at OSGeo, well we have our full application there |
| 21:28.07 | SRabbelier|Lappy | thinks, but is not sure, that if you include it on your application template, it will get copied over to your org profile iff accepted |
| 21:28.30 | wolfb | asmeurer: but I froze it when we did our final submission, so that they stay in sync |
| 21:30.03 | asmeurer | yes, we also have our application on our wiki too |
| 21:30.05 | dberkholz | carols: this issue of competing internships with earlier deadlines keeps coming up. any chance we could roll next year's selection period a month or two earlier? |
| 21:30.46 | carols | dberkholz: there's always a chance. but i get timeline questions all the time and the answer is always: we'll never find a time that works for everyone and this timeline works for me, the program administrator |
| 21:30.47 | |Kev| | dberkholz: but keep the rest of the timeline as-is? |
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| 21:31.00 | dberkholz | yeah, keep the rest of the timeline identical |
| 21:31.20 | dberkholz | which would, in essence, lengthen the bonding period |
| 21:31.21 | carols | dberkholz: so what i say goes :-) |
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| 21:31.40 | gevaerts | bows to carols' supreme power :) |
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| 21:31.52 | dberkholz | carols: sure, that's fine. my main concern is that we're losing out on some really good students because they have to accept competing offers before gsoc gets a chance |
| 21:31.55 | carols | thanks gevaerts :-) i am a benevolent dictator |
| 21:31.55 | SRabbelier|Lappy | dberkholz: keep in mind that Carol has to juggle all kinds of stuff to bootstrap another GSoC, so "just start it earlier" isn't really as easy as it sounds |
| 21:32.07 | SRabbelier|Lappy | carols: FL? |
| 21:32.15 | ojwb | I for one welcome our (not so) new carols overlord |
| 21:32.18 | dberkholz | but if it's just not possible, that's how it goes |
| 21:32.18 | SRabbelier|Lappy | carols: you should totally be our BDFL |
| 21:32.30 | gevaerts | can't decide between replying "Yes, I know!" and "They all start out that way!" ;) |
| 21:32.32 | |Kev| | I think I'd prefer a BDFtL |
| 21:32.50 | carols | dberkholz: sure. we're probably also losing lots of awesome southern hemisphere students because this is during their winter and we're probably losing other candidates because our selection happens to early in the summer for some european students. i can't make everyone happy so i make everyone equally unhappy :-) |
| 21:32.54 | SRabbelier|Lappy | |Kev|: huh, doesn't FTL mean "For the lose"/ |
| 21:32.58 | wolfb | ojwb: agreed |
| 21:33.04 | |Kev| | Faster than Light, in this case ): |
| 21:33.06 | |Kev| | :) |
| 21:33.29 | carols | thank ojwb :-) |
| 21:33.30 | |Kev| | Trying to picture carols as The Flash or something. |
| 21:33.38 | carols | dude, that would be awesome |
| 21:33.50 | carols | anyone want to get me a cape for the mentor summit this year? |
| 21:34.03 | wolfb | XD |
| 21:34.05 | SRabbelier|Lappy | seconded! |
| 21:34.29 | gevaerts | carols: actually, I'm not sure if this change would lose any student for who the current timeline is OK. If anything, I suspect that a longer community bonding period would only make it easier for the others to work around scheduling issues |
| 21:34.33 | wolfb | carols: I have a lack one, I think I could borrow |
| 21:35.07 | gevaerts | carols: apart from you, none of us is sure we'll be there at all :) |
| 21:35.12 | wolfb | erm a black one |
| 21:35.17 | carols | gevaerts: yeah, and it would make it easier for me to get the packages to the students as well. there's lots of possibilities. maybe next year. i made changes for this year and i'll make more changes next year |
| 21:35.21 | carols | always iterating |
| 21:35.37 | |Kev| | Someone forgot the loop termination clause. |
| 21:35.39 | dberkholz | ha, sounds like a line from our org app |
| 21:35.54 | gevaerts | |Kev|: you want gsoc to *end*? |
| 21:36.03 | carols | i want to make sure gsoc continues to be awesome but i am only one person :-) |
| 21:36.25 | Jeff_S | carols: but... you are awesome |
| 21:36.25 | |Kev| | gevaerts: When you put it like that... |
| 21:36.38 | carols | aw thanks Jeff_S :-) |
| 21:37.01 | SRabbelier|Lappy | carols: also, magic |
| 21:37.07 | carols | SRabbelier|Lappy: indeed. |
| 21:37.09 | Jeff_S | lol |
| 21:37.22 | carols | anyone got a magic extension i could add to gsoc? |
| 21:37.25 | Jeff_S | well I haven't seen proof of the magic yet |
| 21:37.25 | SRabbelier|Lappy | (it was agreed by vote that carols is indeed magic) |
| 21:37.28 | carols | !extension |
| 21:37.28 | socinfo | carols: "extension" is not planned. |
| 21:37.30 | wolfb | SRabbelier|Lappy: the cape I was mentioning is a Harry Potter cape, so it comes with magic :P |
| 21:37.31 | carols | damn |
| 21:37.36 | SRabbelier|Lappy | wolfb: win! |
| 21:37.47 | carols | wolfb: omg yes please :-) |
| 21:37.53 | SRabbelier|Lappy | carols: if they do, please add under soc.modules.magic |
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| 21:38.00 | carols | SRabbelier|Lappy: of course. |
| 21:38.48 | SRabbelier|Lappy | excellent, it's agreed then, who will then provide the more_magic module? |
| 21:38.53 | SRabbelier|Lappy | (only one to be enabled at a time) |
| 21:39.11 | gevaerts | doesn't believe in magic capes. He does however believe in bringing magic chocolate to the mentor summit :) |
| 21:39.38 | carols | gevaerts: more chocolate please :-) |
| 21:39.49 | carols | and whiskey if anyone's got it |
| 21:39.54 | carols | one of those days. |
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| 21:40.17 | Catfish_Man | carols: I have some grey goose at home, would that work? I don't really do whiskey |
| 21:40.22 | gevaerts | gives carols some chocolate |
| 21:40.39 | carols | Catfish_Man: grey goose is always welcome, of course |
| 21:40.42 | carols | thanks gevaerts :-) |
| 21:42.07 | wolfb | carols: you haven't tasted chocolate until you have tasted Finnish chocolate |
| 21:42.24 | carols | wolfb: well darn it please provide me some. interoffice mail! |
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| 21:42.30 | carols | :-) |
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| 21:42.58 | wolfb | carols: ack |
| 21:43.10 | carols | dude, i have the most awesome job ever. |
| 21:43.17 | brlcad | :) |
| 21:43.39 | hackyyy | good evening, guys :) |
| 21:43.41 | carols | thanks wolfb! |
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| 21:43.53 | wolfb | carols: I think that was already stipulated a month or more ago :) |
| 21:44.09 | carols | wolfb: it's possible. but it bears repeating |
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| 21:44.18 | wolfb | :D |
| 21:44.52 | Catfish_Man | carols: normally I would quibble, but I'm currently drowning in bugs so I concede the point |
| 21:45.10 | carols | Catfish_Man: fair enough. maybe we'll quibble another day :-) |
| 21:45.56 | dberkholz | evening hackyyy |
| 21:46.00 | wolfb | I'll happily take second place |
| 21:46.31 | carols | wolfb: you have a pretty awesome job, i must say. |
| 21:46.43 | wolfb | carols: it's pure awesome |
| 21:46.54 | carols | wolfb: i'm so glad you got it. |
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| 21:47.40 | SRabbelier|Lappy | wolfb: tell us more of your awesomeness |
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| 21:49.03 | wolfb | SRabbelier|Lappy: I get to play with maps all day long, and meet all sorts of interesting people |
| 21:49.05 | hackyyy | Are you discusing who have the most awesome job :D |
| 21:49.20 | gevaerts | wouldn't mind having an awesome job |
| 21:49.26 | wolfb | hackyyy: the second most awesome job |
| 21:49.32 | dberkholz | mine is pretty awesome. |
| 21:49.36 | wolfb | carols has the most awesome job |
| 21:49.38 | SRabbelier|Lappy | wolfb: why do you play with maps? :P |
| 21:49.52 | dberkholz | i suspect an unusually large proportion of open-source people enjoy what they do |
| 21:50.18 | |Kev| | My day job's for a (largely) closed-source company, and I still love what I do :) |
| 21:50.30 | ojwb | checks his org app and spots a mispaste of "Anything else you'd like to tell us?" as the response to "Anything else you'd like to tell us?" |
| 21:50.39 | |Kev| | (They are, mind, open-standards, and supportive of my OSS stuff - even to donating work time) |
| 21:51.52 | hackyyy | I hope I will find job like you guys...job which I love :D |
| 21:52.14 | |Kev| | I hope so too, everyone should be able to enjoy their job. |
| 21:52.17 | |Kev| | At least most of the time :) |
| 21:52.19 | carols | hackyyy: do what you love and the job will follow :-) |
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| 21:52.43 | |Kev| | carols: Seems to have been true for me, at least. |
| 21:52.45 | gevaerts | doesn't want to *find* an awesome job. He wants his job to become awesome |
| 21:52.53 | carols | |Kev|: i find it very common |
| 21:53.27 | hackyyy | I am doing it and hope that opportunities will come soon |
| 21:54.43 | |Kev| | 10pm on a Friday. Bedtime. How tragic is that? :) |
| 21:54.46 | |Kev| | Good night all, happy weekend. |
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| 21:54.50 | wolfb | SRabbelier|Lappy: 's my job to do so :D and I mean Google maps |
| 21:55.03 | wolfb | !deadline |
| 21:55.05 | SRabbelier|Lappy | wolfb: whatdya do with said maps all day? |
| 21:55.13 | SRabbelier|Lappy | wolfb: don't you mean !timeline ? |
| 21:55.14 | wolfb | fix them :D |
| 21:55.16 | SRabbelier|Lappy | !timeline |
| 21:55.16 | socinfo | SRabbelier|Lappy: "timeline" is http://goo.gl/0lYPz |
| 21:55.17 | SRabbelier|Lappy | and or |
| 21:55.19 | SRabbelier|Lappy | !next |
| 21:55.19 | socinfo | SRabbelier|Lappy: "next" is 23:00 UTC on Friday, March 11 - Mentoring organization application deadline |
| 21:55.43 | wolfb | SRabbelier|Lappy: was hoping to find a countdown clock |
| 21:55.56 | wolfb | but till 1 hr to go right? |
| 21:56.00 | dberkholz | 1 hour |
| 21:56.16 | dberkholz | my irc window shows utc times, which makes it easy |
| 21:56.21 | wolfb | wants to celebrate the deadline, and count the oh noes :P |
| 21:56.54 | rrix | woot, barely got in a last revision on our application as my plane boards to go to SFO for vacation :) |
| 21:57.08 | carols | wolfb: i've already got my "no" ready for all those deadline extension requests |
| 21:57.08 | wolfb | IIRC last year we had quite a few oopses... |
| 21:57.16 | SRabbelier|Lappy | we only had a few "quickly, fix Melange" bugs :P |
| 21:57.30 | gevaerts | is sure that it will be a very nice "no" :) |
| 21:57.33 | wolfb | carols: have you made sure it's fully charged? |
| 21:57.46 | carols | wolfb: i'm considering adding it to the bot, actually. |
| 21:58.00 | ojwb | SRabbelier|Lappy: I noticed you can no longer select both yes and no in the "first time" question |
| 21:58.09 | SRabbelier|Lappy | ojwb: I know right? |
| 21:58.14 | SRabbelier|Lappy | ojwb: I totally fixed that, kabam |
| 21:58.16 | gevaerts | carols: "no" is shorter than "!no" :) |
| 21:58.18 | SRabbelier|Lappy | ninja style |
| 21:58.24 | mlankhorst | !no |
| 21:58.28 | mlankhorst | !1 |
| 21:58.33 | wolfb | SRabbelier|Lappy: you and the rest of melange have done a fine job of fixing issues for me today :) |
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| 21:58.43 | SRabbelier|Lappy | wolfb: that's how we roll :P |
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| 21:58.50 | carols | SRabbelier|Lappy and the rest of the melange team are awesome. |
| 21:58.53 | ojwb | SRabbelier|Lappy: I was just letting you know your work actually gets noticed |
| 21:59.03 | wolfb | SRabbelier|Lappy: pure awesomeness |
| 21:59.07 | SRabbelier|Lappy | ojwb: thank you, much appreciated ^__^ |
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| 22:13.53 | GaryB|OpenCV | #opencv |
| 22:16.34 | GaryB|OpenCV | Oops, momentary panic was just stupidity. I wanted to edit my org's application and it wasn't under "Apply to become an Org" but is instead retrieved through "List My Orgs Application". Just for others who are also momentarily stupid. |
| 22:17.11 | carols | !learn no as no, you cannot have a deadline extension. have a cookie instead. |
| 22:17.11 | socinfo | carols: The operation succeeded. |
| 22:17.15 | carols | !no |
| 22:17.15 | socinfo | carols: "no" is no, you cannot have a deadline extension. have a cookie instead. |
| 22:17.20 | carols | cool. |
| 22:17.24 | carols | all ready to go. |
| 22:17.28 | carols | serves cookies |
| 22:17.46 | gevaerts | already prepares the line asking how many orgs applied, so he can ask it within seconds from the deadline expiring |
| 22:17.50 | SRabbelier|Lappy | carols: awesome |
| 22:17.51 | gevaerts | Yay, cookies! |
| 22:18.05 | SRabbelier|Lappy | gets the script ready to count them |
| 22:18.09 | carols | thanks gevaerts :-) you've always got my back |
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| 22:18.36 | gevaerts | Oh, and if the deal is cookies or an extension, the choice is really obvious :) |
| 22:18.50 | SRabbelier|Lappy | oh, well, don't really need a script I suppose :D |
| 22:20.09 | wolfb | cookies! nomnom@ |
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| 22:22.14 | CrawfordComeaux | We haven't heard back from the Googlers we know that we think would likely allow us to list them on our applications. Is that something that can be added beyond tonight's deadline? |
| 22:22.42 | SRabbelier|Lappy | CrawfordComeaux: no |
| 22:22.55 | SRabbelier|Lappy | CrawfordComeaux: maybe add something like "We might have a reference from ..." ? |
| 22:23.22 | carols | CrawfordComeaux: you can't add it to the app. you can have the googler email me directly *if* they can do it this weekend. by monday it will be too late |
| 22:24.18 | CrawfordComeaux | carols: Excellent. Thank you :) |
| 22:24.25 | carols | yw |
| 22:24.26 | CrawfordComeaux | Better than nothing :) |
| 22:25.45 | SRabbelier|Lappy | is curious now |
| 22:25.48 | SRabbelier|Lappy | CrawfordComeaux: what org are you from? |
| 22:26.01 | CrawfordComeaux | FiberCorps |
| 22:26.09 | SRabbelier|Lappy | aah, nice ^^ |
| 22:27.12 | CrawfordComeaux | Only started in October & our projects are only just getting started. But we've got great local infrastructure that would allow for some neat blue sky stuff on top of what we've come up with. |
| 22:27.41 | mdc | TGIF! |
| 22:28.01 | CrawfordComeaux | I'm hoping we get a proposal that seeks to link up multiple Kinects over our 100mbps FTTH intranet to do something hot |
| 22:28.46 | CrawfordComeaux | Wouldn't just be neat, but then we'd be able to justify purchasing multiple Kinects for me to play with ;) |
| 22:29.39 | ben_endpoint | First time Organization Application: Where do I create/set the "Short Name" or is that something that happens later if accepted? |
| 22:30.08 | dberkholz | mdc: indeed |
| 22:30.18 | carols | ben_endpoint: SRabbelier|Lappy can answer that |
| 22:30.34 | SRabbelier|Lappy | ben_endpoint: "edit organization profile" |
| 22:30.48 | CrawfordComeaux | I just wish gsoc had hit my radar sooner than last week...been a mad dash to put together a decent app! especially with mardi gras :/ |
| 22:31.05 | CrawfordComeaux | SRabbelier|Lappy: are you familiar with FiberCorps? |
| 22:31.16 | mdc | CrawfordComeaux: It's worth the mad dash :) |
| 22:31.18 | wolfb | mdc! How are you? |
| 22:31.42 | mdc | wolfb: I'm well :) |
| 22:31.47 | SRabbelier|Lappy | CrawfordComeaux: I am on a symmetric 50Mbit/s fiber connection myself, does that count? |
| 22:31.51 | mdc | wolfb: and how have you been? :) |
| 22:32.20 | wolfb | mdc: VERY busy XD But also very happy :) |
| 22:32.37 | CrawfordComeaux | SRabbelier|Lappy: ...I'm not sure...does your network have a name? |
| 22:32.41 | mdc | wolfb: Was it a good decision? :) |
| 22:32.48 | SRabbelier|Lappy | CrawfordComeaux: Glasnet, I'm in the netherlands |
| 22:33.00 | wolfb | mdc: yes! I haven't regretted it a bit! |
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| 22:33.18 | wolfb | mdc: more like the opposite. :D |
| 22:33.35 | mdc | wolfb: I feel the same way :) |
| 22:33.57 | wolfb | :D |
| 22:33.59 | mdc | (wolfb and I became Googlers last year after participating in several GSoCs) :) |
| 22:34.27 | carols | and wolfb and mdc are awesome. |
| 22:34.39 | mdc | carols: and you are too! :) |
| 22:34.43 | carols | so is the whole gsoc mentor community. |
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| 22:34.50 | wolfb | carlost also awesome :) |
| 22:34.55 | CrawfordComeaux | SRabbelier|Lappy: ah...not familiar |
| 22:34.57 | carols | awwwww |
| 22:35.03 | wolfb | carlos even XD |
| 22:35.07 | carols | is feelin the love |
| 22:35.12 | mdc | still smiles about the GSoC Mentor Summit :) |
| 22:35.15 | CrawfordComeaux | I'm just hoping our meager operation gets in |
| 22:35.28 | wolfb | the mentor summit gets my juices going |
| 22:35.36 | ben_endpoint | Uh, SRabbelier|Lappy, forgive me, I cannot find where to edit the organization profile. |
| 22:35.38 | wolfb | mds: I also became a mac user :) |
| 22:35.43 | carols | mdc: me too! it was so good to see everyone |
| 22:35.44 | wolfb | mdc: I also became a mac user :) |
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| 22:36.10 | mdc | wolfb: I used a Mac laptop and have a Linux desktop :) |
| 22:36.15 | SRabbelier|Lappy | ben_endpoint: I thought you meant after you're accepted |
| 22:36.15 | wolfb | still have to have the energy for 24 mins |
| 22:36.19 | mdc | s/used/use/ |
| 22:36.26 | wolfb | mdc: I have the same setup |
| 22:36.27 | ben_endpoint | No, that was part of my question. |
| 22:36.30 | SRabbelier|Lappy | wolfb: twice? |
| 22:36.35 | mdc | CrawfordComeaux: Give it what you've got and good things will happen. |
| 22:37.12 | wolfb | SRabbelier|Lappy: you might say so, since I also have an old iMac with os X 10.2 :P |
| 22:37.14 | CrawfordComeaux | mdc: staying optimistic! :) |
| 22:37.22 | dberkholz | mdc: any major changes you wanna make to how things are run this year? |
| 22:37.26 | mdc | CrawfordComeaux: Excellent :) |
| 22:37.27 | SRabbelier|Lappy | ben_endpoint: if it's not on the form you do it after you're accepted |
| 22:37.42 | ben_endpoint | Ok, good. Thanks. |
| 22:37.42 | mdc | dberkholz: You mean GSoC in general? |
| 22:37.49 | CrawfordComeaux | Now to knock this thing out & get on the road to SXSW! |
| 22:38.00 | zkirill | CrawfordComeaux: go go go |
| 22:38.09 | dberkholz | mdc: etherboot, really. looking for good ideas for my orgs |
| 22:38.09 | carols | CrawfordComeaux: quickly now, you've got less than 30 minutes :-) |
| 22:38.12 | SRabbelier|Lappy | what's this SXSW I keep hearing about |
| 22:38.24 | dberkholz | SRabbelier|Lappy: mostly a social media conf |
| 22:38.26 | wolfb | can almost hear the frantic typing from CrawfordComeaux :P |
| 22:39.39 | mdc | dberkholz: We're generally happy with our system. We'll probably tune things to account for our mentoring team, since we like to carefully match students to mentors. |
| 22:39.45 | dberkholz | wolfb: but here's the real test, given your job -- can you identify the lat/lon it's coming from? |
| 22:39.51 | wolfb | carols: are you by any chance going to be in I/O? |
| 22:40.07 | carols | wolfb: i don't have a ticket. so if i go it will be on the good graces of others :-) |
| 22:40.08 | CrawfordComeaux | carols: less than 30 minutes? Could've sworn I saw a deadline of 11pm... |
| 22:40.18 | carols | CrawfordComeaux: 23:00 utc |
| 22:40.25 | CrawfordComeaux | doh |
| 22:40.32 | SRabbelier|Lappy | CrawfordComeaux: heh, there you almost fell for it |
| 22:40.32 | dberkholz | mdc: must be nice to reach perfection =P |
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| 22:40.50 | wolfb | dberkholz: sure you can, but geolocation by IP is in general poor |
| 22:41.04 | SRabbelier|Lappy | wolfb: does that mean you are? |
| 22:41.08 | mdc | dberkholz: We seek improvement -- perfection is a mirage in the distance :) |
| 22:41.09 | SRabbelier|Lappy | wolfb: if so, *hadoken* |
| 22:41.20 | SRabbelier|Lappy | steals wolfb's ticket since he's hadoke-ed anyway |
| 22:41.35 | wolfb | SRabbelier|Lappy: yea probably. I'll be in MTV in mir April |
| 22:41.48 | SRabbelier|Lappy | wolfb: how'd you get a ticket? :O |
| 22:41.55 | wolfb | is stunned an unable to parry for 3 rounds |
| 22:42.06 | SRabbelier|Lappy | grin |
| 22:42.32 | wolfb | SRabbelier|Lappy: don't have one yet, but my company pays for it :D |
| 22:42.46 | SRabbelier|Lappy | wolfb: they're like, sold out? :P |
| 22:42.48 | carols | wolfb: you must work for an awesome company |
| 22:43.05 | wolfb | ;) hmm maybe I've been to slow |
| 22:43.13 | carols | cracks knuckles and prepares for the deadline onslaught |
| 22:43.27 | davidL | can an organization's description be changed after being accepted? |
| 22:43.38 | carols | davidL: on the homepage itself, yes |
| 22:43.51 | davidL | thanks carols |
| 22:43.54 | carols | davidL: not on the app |
| 22:44.07 | davidL | understood |
| 22:44.09 | SRabbelier|Lappy | the only thing that cannot be changed is the link_id |
| 22:44.15 | SRabbelier|Lappy | (so get it right) |
| 22:44.22 | mdc | dberkholz: We have found that mentoring as a team, with a primary mentor for each student is really helpful. That way the mentors can support each other, and students get more attention. |
| 22:44.58 | wolfb | SRabbelier|Lappy: but we make the link id for the org AFTER we get accepted, right? |
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| 22:45.13 | wolfb | starts worrying now |
| 22:45.18 | dberkholz | mdc: yeah, we do a primary and at least 1 backup per project. a lot of them are too diverse for big teams to really know what's going on, though we do encourage discussions in public places like MLs, irc, etc |
| 22:45.50 | SRabbelier|Lappy | wolfb: oh, well, yes, I suppose we changed that |
| 22:46.26 | SRabbelier|Lappy | (we used to ask you to choose your link_id in last years) |
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| 22:47.04 | wolfb | SRabbelier|Lappy: I think you aged me a year, right there XD |
| 22:47.28 | mdc | dberkholz: Sound good. I'm going to really get to exercise my time management skills this year, but I accept that as a positive challenge, and am sure I can manage :) |
| 22:47.52 | mdc | wolfb: Which office are you in? |
| 22:48.04 | dberkholz | mdc: yeah, i'm working on ways to delegate more and more to the mentors. got some good ideas from last year's summit |
| 22:48.19 | mdc | T minus 12 minutes and counting... |
| 22:48.21 | SRabbelier|Lappy | wolfb: pff, GSoC 2008, the good ol' days |
| 22:48.27 | CrawfordComeaux | Is it ok to update the ideas list post application submission? |
| 22:48.35 | SRabbelier|Lappy | wolfb: when we were crunching out features the day before they were needed |
| 22:48.39 | SRabbelier|Lappy | wait... we're still doing that :'( |
| 22:48.49 | carols | CrawfordComeaux: i wouldnt recommend it. our team is going to be pounding on it in about 1 hour and all this weekend. |
| 22:49.07 | CrawfordComeaux | ok |
| 22:50.58 | wolfb | mdc: I'm in ZRH |
| 22:51.38 | mdc | wolfb: I must visit sometime. Do let me know if you're coming to CAM (Boston) |
| 22:51.40 | wolfb | SRabbelier|Lappy: those were the days :D |
| 22:51.42 | adam_vollrath | So the ideas list will be reviewed immediately, not starting the 14th? |
| 22:51.49 | SRabbelier|Lappy | wolfb: I posit they still are |
| 22:51.50 | wolfb | mdc: I will |
| 22:51.51 | carols | Adam: yes. immediately |
| 22:52.40 | CrawfordComeaux | fingers....on fire.... |
| 22:52.43 | carols | sorry adam_vollrath: immediately |
| 22:52.48 | wolfb | SRabbelier|Lappy: aah, but melange has come a long way from those days. But it's cool you still feel the groove :) |
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| 22:53.49 | wolfb | CrawfordComeaux: melting keyboard? |
| 22:54.37 | CrawfordComeaux | nope...just the nice lacquer or whatever it is they coat these keys with |
| 22:54.39 | gevaerts | carols: should we tell people to leave the ideas page alone? I mean, is it a problem for you if a new idea suddenly appears? |
| 22:54.51 | SRabbelier|Lappy | wolfb: no, I mean, I'm serious :P |
| 22:54.54 | SRabbelier|Lappy | wolfb: with the new redesign |
| 22:55.04 | carols | gevaerts: no, but the org should accept that you might have been reviewed based on an ideas list that was in an earlier iteration |
| 22:55.05 | SRabbelier|Lappy | wolfb: we'll probably be cranking out whatever we need at most a week before it's needed :P |
| 22:55.07 | mdc | "In *my* day we wrote screen scrapers and shell scripts to extract CSV data from the GSoC website :p" |
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| 22:55.33 | wolfb | nice :) So still cranking out features at the last minute? That's pretty darn cool :) |
| 22:55.40 | carols | mdc: was there snow and a hill in the way too? |
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| 22:55.58 | mdc | carols: lol, you know it! |
| 22:56.12 | carols | mdc: i figured :-) |
| 22:56.16 | wolfb | and we had to use our teeth to do the typing because of the cold! |
| 22:56.18 | gevaerts | carols: ok. That's all good then. I just hope people won't accidentally break the page just when you want to look at it :) |
| 22:56.21 | SRabbelier|Lappy | wolfb: yeah, well, sortof :P |
| 22:56.46 | carols | gevaerts: just dont be the org from a few years ago who submitted a google wave ideas page none of ospo could access :-P |
| 22:56.54 | gevaerts | ouch |
| 22:57.01 | wolfb | SRabbelier|Lappy: I mean it's cool that you guys are working hard to make OUR lives easier! :D |
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| 22:57.11 | gevaerts | carols: I promise I will not use google wave |
| 22:57.22 | carols | gevaerts: thank you :-) |
| 22:57.29 | gevaerts | You're welcome :) |
| 22:58.17 | SRabbelier|Lappy | wolfb: ah, ^^ |
| 22:58.25 | carols | stands on a phone book and proclaims there are 2 minutes left to submit org apps |
| 22:58.44 | eoc | (: |
| 22:58.54 | David_Honeynet | does a drum roll |
| 22:59.26 | borja | reloads the List of Applications page one last time, just to be extra sure |
| 22:59.27 | dberkholz | i am carefully not touching our app because i don't want any cosmic rays to screw things up |
| 22:59.40 | mdc | wonders how close the last org to submit will cut it :) |
| 23:00.00 | dberkholz | the last successful one, or the last one that tries to submit at 2259 pacific time? |
| 23:00.01 | gevaerts | How many org applications were there? |
| 23:00.09 | carols | gevaerts: 430 |
| 23:00.12 | SRabbelier|Lappy | mdc: for GSoC we had someone make a nice plot of the application submission times |
| 23:00.18 | mdc | remembers the days when the servers would 502 a _lot_ more often :) |
| 23:00.31 | SRabbelier|Lappy | mdc: (I only provided them with a list of all the submission time, they did all the hard work) |
| 23:00.37 | gevaerts | carols: thanks :) |
| 23:00.39 | David_Honeynet | wasn't last submission something like 1.5 seconds last year? |
| 23:00.41 | wolfb | raises a glass to the hard deadline |
| 23:00.46 | wolfb | skål! |
| 23:00.57 | SRabbelier|Lappy | mdc: when did we ever 502? |
| 23:01.00 | dberkholz | alright, time for me to head home. |
| 23:01.10 | SRabbelier|Lappy | also, TOUCHDOWN |
| 23:01.11 | SRabbelier|Lappy | :D |
| 23:01.15 | carols | see you late dberkholz |
| 23:01.21 | carols | or later even |
| 23:01.29 | gevaerts | David_Honeynet: was that an org or student application? My memory is a bit vague... |
| 23:01.43 | mdc | SRabbelier|Lappy: Let me check my 2006 GSoC mail :) |
| 23:01.55 | mdc | ( that was before Melange, of course :) ) |
| 23:02.00 | Raim | mdc: 2006 was still the old system |
| 23:02.23 | David_Honeynet | gevaerts: must be getting old, my memory fails me too ;-) |
| 23:02.35 | SRabbelier|Lappy | mdc: ooooh, hahaha |
| 23:02.38 | thiago_home | 07 and '08 too, IIRC |
| 23:02.38 | SRabbelier|Lappy | mdc: well that I'l believe |
| 23:02.39 | adam_vollrath | !next |
| 23:02.40 | socinfo | adam_vollrath: "next" is 23:00 UTC on Friday, March 11 - Mentoring organization application deadline |
| 23:02.43 | adam_vollrath | welp |
| 23:03.03 | thiago_home | it's wrong now |
| 23:03.58 | carols | !learn next as Friday, March 18 - Mentoring organizations are announced |
| 23:03.58 | socinfo | carols: The operation succeeded. |
| 23:04.15 | wolfb | adam_vollrath: possible commands are eat_cookie and go_to_sleep |
| 23:04.22 | *** topic/#gsoc by carols -> Welcome to Google Summer of Code 2011! Mentoring organizations are announced on Friday, March 18. Please read the FAQs - http://goo.gl/Up2Qf and the Timeline - http://goo.gl/0lYPz for more info. |
| 23:04.25 | *** part/#gsoc ChristopheT (~user@cust-149-184-109-94.dyn.as47377.net) |
| 23:04.25 | ojwb | !forget next 1 |
| 23:04.25 | socinfo | ojwb: The operation succeeded. |
| 23:04.29 | ojwb | !next |
| 23:04.29 | socinfo | ojwb: "next" is Friday, March 18 - Mentoring organizations are announced |
| 23:04.33 | SRabbelier|Lappy | ojwb: smooth |
| 23:04.41 | wolfb | !help |
| 23:04.41 | socinfo | wolfb: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. |
| 23:05.58 | ojwb | !numapps |
| 23:05.58 | socinfo | ojwb: "numapps" is In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and 151 were accepted; 5539 proposals were submitted by students (we don't currently know how many unique students applied), and 1026 were accepted |
| 23:06.12 | ojwb | so up on last year |
| 23:06.26 | borja | that's awesome |
| 23:06.30 | SRabbelier|Lappy | dance |
| 23:06.33 | ojwb | i guess encouraging smaller orgs to apply it probably at least part of that |
| 23:07.34 | ojwb | !learn numapps as 430 mentoring orgs applied this year. In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and 151 were accepted; 5539 proposals were submitted by students (we don't currently know how many unique students applied), and 1026 were accepted |
| 23:07.34 | socinfo | ojwb: The operation succeeded. |
| 23:07.39 | ojwb | !forget numapps 1 |
| 23:07.39 | socinfo | ojwb: The operation succeeded. |
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| 23:08.34 | SRabbelier|Lappy | ojwb: we do know, surely |
| 23:08.53 | ojwb | yes, I saw that number recently |
| 23:08.57 | ojwb | I was just looking for it again |
| 23:08.58 | brlcad | wonder why the numer dropped in 2010 .. at least iirc, wasn't it 500+ in 2008? |
| 23:09.40 | anth_r | in 2009, google heavily advertised the fact that they'd be accepting fewer orgs. that likely discouraged some folks. |
| 23:09.42 | ojwb | brlcad: IIRC for a few years, the number of student and org apps tended to drop slightly but the quality went up |
| 23:09.44 | SRabbelier|Lappy | ojwb: we had 5947 students, of which 3464 had a proposal |
| 23:09.56 | SRabbelier|Lappy | brlcad: no, it was only 397 |
| 23:10.02 | ojwb | interesting - wonder where 5539 is from |
| 23:10.09 | ojwb | perhaps that's after spam removal or something |
| 23:10.11 | brlcad | hrm |
| 23:10.16 | SRabbelier|Lappy | ojwb: 5539 is #proposals |
| 23:10.20 | homunq | Hi. Just checking to see if the org application deadline just passed, or was extended a few hours. We got our app in (a bit last minute) but I would make some minor changes if there's still time. |
| 23:10.36 | ojwb | !learn numapps as 430 mentoring orgs applied this year. In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and 151 were accepted; 5539 proposals were submitted by 3464 students, and 1026 were accepted |
| 23:10.36 | socinfo | ojwb: The operation succeeded. |
| 23:10.45 | ojwb | tries actually reading what SRabbelier|Lappy wrote |
| 23:10.48 | brlcad | so still dropped, but only by 30 .. maybe it was 2007 then? I swear one of the previous years hit 500 |
| 23:10.50 | ojwb | !forget numapps 1 |
| 23:10.50 | socinfo | ojwb: The operation succeeded. |
| 23:10.53 | SRabbelier|Lappy | ojwb: out of the 5947 there were 5947-3464 who had a proposal, some who didn't apply at all |
| 23:10.57 | carols | homunq: its passed. |
| 23:11.09 | ojwb | SRabbelier|Lappy: thanks for finding that |
| 23:11.10 | brlcad | scans his gsoc logs |
| 23:11.20 | SRabbelier|Lappy | ojwb: thank Daniel |
| 23:11.23 | SRabbelier|Lappy | ojwb: and Mario |
| 23:11.29 | SRabbelier|Lappy | ojwb: statistics framework ftw |
| 23:11.58 | homunq | carols: are you the coordinator this year? |
| 23:12.09 | carols | homunq: yep |
| 23:12.25 | carols | has actually been the gsoc admin for exactly one year |
| 23:12.30 | ojwb | SRabbelier|Lappy: I'm confused |
| 23:12.36 | ojwb | carols: happy anniversary |
| 23:12.41 | carols | thank ojwb :-) |
| 23:12.45 | gevaerts | carols: congratulations! |
| 23:12.48 | ojwb | "5947-3464 who had a proposal"? |
| 23:12.51 | carols | gevaerts: thanks :-) |
| 23:12.53 | gevaerts | offers chocolate to celebrate |
| 23:13.00 | David_Honeynet | carols: congrats :) |
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| 23:13.06 | ojwb | or "3464 had a proposal" |
| 23:13.17 | carols | thanks David_Honeynet :-) |
| 23:13.48 | SRabbelier|Lappy | ojwb: errr |
| 23:13.55 | SRabbelier|Lappy | ojwb: that's the amount who didn't submit a proposal at all |
| 23:14.16 | David_Honeynet | carols: you are now officially a sucker for punishment ;-) |
| 23:14.19 | SRabbelier|Lappy | ojwb: 3464 students had a proposal, there were 5947 students, so 5947-3464 had no proposal at all |
| 23:14.29 | ojwb | SRabbelier|Lappy: ok, that makes sense |
| 23:14.31 | homunq | I coordinated Sugar Labs' GSoC in 2009 (and I met you at the mentor summit); this year I'm helping with pyjamas, our first time applying. It's a bit late, but... is there any way specifically that I as an experienced admin can vouch for Pyjamas as a new org? |
| 23:14.39 | SRabbelier|Lappy | carols: congrats indeed |
| 23:14.52 | carols | David_Honeynet: you know, people keep telling me that i'm going to stop loving the job and i keep loving the job and the community :-) |
| 23:14.59 | carols | so maybe i burn out later? not sure :-) |
| 23:15.05 | carols | but i have the most awesome job at google |
| 23:15.20 | carols | homunq: nope, you needed to include that on the app. |
| 23:15.24 | David_Honeynet | heh, well we all appreciate it anyway :) |
| 23:15.37 | gevaerts | carols: you should stop telling us that, or we'll stop feeling sorry for you on busy days, and then goodbye chocolate! :) |
| 23:15.56 | carols | gevaerts: awwwww i only get chocolate if i dont like you??? |
| 23:15.57 | CrawfordComeaux | If you guys want to hold off on hitting our ideas list for 15 mins, I'm cool by that ;) |
| 23:16.13 | carols | CrawfordComeaux: it likely wont be until later tonight honestly |
| 23:16.29 | gevaerts | carols: well, that's not *entirely* what I wanted to say! |
| 23:16.42 | hartem | !forget numapps 1 |
| 23:16.42 | socinfo | hartem: The operation succeeded. |
| 23:16.45 | carols | gevaerts: i think i should get chocolate for loving all of you :-) |
| 23:16.50 | wolfb | congrats on the aniversary carols! :) |
| 23:16.53 | CrawfordComeaux | great...I'll take a breath & continue |
| 23:16.56 | carols | thanks wolfb :-) |
| 23:16.58 | ojwb | !numapps |
| 23:17.11 | homunq | gives virtual chocolates to all. |
| 23:17.19 | gevaerts | carols: true :) Well, either that or you should love us for the chocolate :) |
| 23:17.19 | carols | thanks homunq |
| 23:17.24 | ojwb | !learn numapps as 430 mentoring orgs applied this year. In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and 151 were accepted; 5539 proposals were submitted by 3464 students, and 1026 were accepted |
| 23:17.24 | socinfo | ojwb: The operation succeeded. |
| 23:17.28 | homunq | (and eats a real chocolate) |
| 23:17.30 | carols | offers champagne and sparkling cider to toast with |
| 23:17.31 | ojwb | slaps hartem |
| 23:17.35 | ojwb | !numapps |
| 23:17.35 | socinfo | ojwb: "numapps" is 430 mentoring orgs applied this year. In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and 151 were accepted; 5539 proposals were submitted by 3464 students, and 1026 were accepted |
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| 23:18.08 | hartem | !numapps |
| 23:18.09 | socinfo | hartem: "numapps" is 430 mentoring orgs applied this year. In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and 151 were accepted; 5539 proposals were submitted by 3464 students, and 1026 were accepted |
| 23:18.16 | brlcad | aha, indeed .. it was 500 |
| 23:18.19 | brlcad | from log: "numapps" is This year there are 395 mentoring org apps. That's less than the 500 last year, but there's also much less spam. There are 5900 proposals from 3500 students. |
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| 23:18.37 | gevaerts | would send actual real chocolate to everyone, but shipping is a bit expensive |
| 23:18.45 | brlcad | that's from 2009, so '08 hit the high mark (with lots of spam) |
| 23:18.48 | SRabbelier|Lappy | brlcad: nice find |
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| 23:19.13 | ojwb | is happy with fewer apps of higher quality |
| 23:19.15 | SRabbelier|Lappy | brlcad: possibly from the new Melange website being harder to navigate :P |
| 23:19.19 | brlcad | haha |
| 23:19.24 | gevaerts | Back in 2008 there was no "Backup admin Link ID" to filter the spammers out :) |
| 23:19.29 | SRabbelier|Lappy | wonders if next year will have more applications due to easier UI |
| 23:19.33 | brlcad | or from melange being better than the former atrocity :) |
| 23:19.39 | ojwb | SRabbelier|Lappy: for that to work it would have had to have got worse each year though |
| 23:19.53 | SRabbelier|Lappy | ojwb: ? |
| 23:20.09 | brlcad | kudos to the original devs, but it was way more painful to use even when it was simpler in pre-melange years |
| 23:20.42 | SRabbelier|Lappy | brlcad: hope you'll be able to say the same about the new design! |
| 23:20.47 | brlcad | too |
| 23:20.51 | ojwb | SRabbelier|Lappy: well, the 2010 numbers are less than 2009 |
| 23:21.06 | brlcad | SRabbelier|Lappy: thanks for all your efforts over the past couple years |
| 23:21.20 | wolfb | wonders what is eating his CPU... |
| 23:22.09 | SRabbelier|Lappy | brlcad: we try, ^__^, and thanks |
| 23:22.12 | SRabbelier|Lappy | wolfb: cpu monster! |
| 23:22.15 | SRabbelier|Lappy | nomnomnom |
| 23:22.53 | wolfb | SRabbelier|Lappy: it was flash. what a shocker XD |
| 23:23.06 | SRabbelier|Lappy | wolfb: who woulda thunk |
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| 23:24.01 | wolfb | SRabbelier|Lappy: indeed. biig surprise. |
| 23:24.38 | wolfb | enjoys the silence in the wake of the fan shutting down |
| 23:25.19 | wolfb | macs aren't supposed to be noisy |
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| 23:28.50 | mlankhorst | read emacs there |
| 23:30.03 | carols | is amazed at the deafening silence of people not asking for a deadline extension |
| 23:30.06 | carols | knocks on wood |
| 23:30.14 | censorydep | now ya done it... |
| 23:30.24 | brlcad | heh |
| 23:30.27 | carols | censorydep: yep. just wait for the onslaught |
| 23:30.36 | SRabbelier|Lappy | carols: I think homunq was the only one 0.O |
| 23:30.38 | Catfish_Man | considers asking for extensions on unrelated deadlines |
| 23:30.48 | mdc | carols: have you checked your email? ;) |
| 23:30.48 | SRabbelier|Lappy | Catfish_Man: now there's an idea |
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| 23:30.59 | censorydep | Catfish, you can TOTALLY turn that project in late. Just tell them I said it was ok. ;-) |
| 23:31.16 | carols | mdc: i have. it is blessedly free of extension requests. just full of other work i need to do |
| 23:31.21 | mdc | wow |
| 23:31.26 | Catfish_Man | censorydep: excellent. My boss'll be on the phone with you Monday afternoon ;) |
| 23:31.36 | gevaerts | carols: they will ask on the hour, every hour |
| 23:31.45 | carols | censorydep: be careful with that. Catfish_Man works at one infinite loop :-) |
| 23:31.52 | gevaerts | Those who want an extension haven't realised it yet :) |
| 23:32.00 | censorydep | Sounds good. Tell him my management consulting rates are very reasonable. :-p |
| 23:32.02 | brlcad | does that mean we can reserve extension request credits for the midterm evals? :) |
| 23:32.04 | Catfish_Man | hehehe |
| 23:32.07 | carols | brlcad: no |
| 23:32.08 | carols | oh yay |
| 23:32.13 | carols | it feels good to day no to something |
| 23:32.27 | SRabbelier|Lappy | !no |
| 23:32.27 | socinfo | SRabbelier|Lappy: "no" is no, you cannot have a deadline extension. have a cookie instead. |
| 23:32.29 | SRabbelier|Lappy | just for the hell of it |
| 23:32.34 | gevaerts | carols: can we have an extension? |
| 23:32.39 | carols | !no |
| 23:32.39 | socinfo | carols: "no" is no, you cannot have a deadline extension. have a cookie instead. |
| 23:32.39 | mdc | wonders what he did before having the ability to put multiple labels on messages in GMail |
| 23:32.41 | carols | yay |
| 23:32.44 | carols | its so cathartic :-) |
| 23:32.52 | mdc | !yes |
| 23:32.54 | gevaerts | You're welcome :) |
| 23:33.16 | carols | wonders if giving orgs two weeks to apply instead of one was the answer |
| 23:33.26 | carols | nah, probably not |
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| 23:34.03 | brlcad | definitely helped here -- gave a lot more time to coordinate and round up mentor interest, get thoughts together |
| 23:34.24 | carols | brlcad: glad to hear it |
| 23:34.30 | Catfish_Man | carols: I'm pretty sure we (adium hat on again for a moment) were slacking until the very last minute |
| 23:34.37 | gevaerts | brlcad: really? I'd say we didn't really care about the *start* of the application period |
| 23:34.39 | Catfish_Man | I remember seeing emails like "huh... should we apply?" in the last few days |
| 23:34.56 | carols | Catfish_Man: i think there are some orgs who would slack no matter how much time they were given :-) |
| 23:35.01 | carols | 1 day or 1 month, wouldn't matter |
| 23:35.09 | anth_r | we've never needed an extension on an application, but having two weeks certainly made it much more comfortable. |
| 23:35.16 | censorydep | <3 adium. Thank you Catfish_Man and Co. |
| 23:35.20 | brlcad | gevaerts: it's not that we cared about the submission "start", but having those e-mails kick off two weeks in advance and having the reminders got us talking about plans a bit earlier than before |
| 23:35.24 | ojwb | so that's why it seemed less rushed this year... |
| 23:35.40 | brlcad | a little liss "omg, it's tomorrow" |
| 23:35.40 | Catfish_Man | censorydep: glad you like it :) I tried not to break too much before I left two years ago ;) |
| 23:36.16 | mdc | Two weeks seems like a good window -- it helps to be able to pick one week that is less hectic than another to get things together. |
| 23:36.16 | homunq | The difference of 2 weeks vs 1 was definitely perceptible from our end. |
| 23:36.33 | gevaerts | brlcad: maybe I just spend too much time in this channel :) |
| 23:36.37 | dsrbecky | carols: Do you think it would be a good idea to extend the student deadline a bit (say 10 minutes)? I think it is a bit harsh to be that strict. I liked the comparison someone made last year on maillist with getting a ticket for going 1 mph over the speed limit. One the other hand, you can argue that strict punctuality is a required form good students. Or maybe no students will be late this year :-) |
| 23:36.48 | wolfb | mdc: I bet you copied emails XD |
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| 23:37.20 | SRabbelier|Lappy | dsrbecky: I would say |
| 23:37.20 | wolfb | carols: also helped me and my 2 projects |
| 23:37.21 | SRabbelier|Lappy | !no |
| 23:37.21 | socinfo | SRabbelier|Lappy: "no" is no, you cannot have a deadline extension. have a cookie instead. |
| 23:37.22 | ojwb | dsrbecky: or arriving for your flight a minute after it took off? |
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| 23:37.28 | homunq | dsrbecky: if it were a good idea, it still wouldn't be a good idea to say that ahead of time. |
| 23:37.28 | SRabbelier|Lappy | dsrbecky: it's a sliding scale |
| 23:37.36 | carols | dsrbecky: if i make it 10 minutes why not make it 10 hours? they should submit it days before its due :-) |
| 23:38.06 | David_Honeynet | carols: 2 weeks for org applications worked better for us too |
| 23:38.17 | anth_r | i argue the deadlines should be intentionally hazy. "applications will end some time on the 11th, but we're not telling you when." |
| 23:38.17 | carols | David_Honeynet: cool, glad to hear it |
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| 23:38.33 | gevaerts | anth_r: ugh, no! |
| 23:38.47 | mdc | wolfb: yes, before labels I did have to sometimes copy emails to two folders :p |
| 23:38.47 | gevaerts | Then we'll all have to agree when the 11th begins and ends! |
| 23:38.58 | SRabbelier|Lappy | anth_r: that's basically the same as saying "applications will end on the first second of the 11th", no? |
| 23:39.05 | wolfb | mdc: I knew it! |
| 23:39.08 | gevaerts | i.e. you suddenly have to know DST rules for islands in the Pacific! |
| 23:39.36 | gevaerts | likes the 19:00 UTC deadline. It's a good tradition |
| 23:39.39 | Catfish_Man | calendrical arithmetic is a nightmare. Avoid it at all costs |
| 23:39.43 | anth_r | more or less. but nobody has to sit on the switch (in years past, i remember google (melange? someone) having issues right at the deadline. |
| 23:39.50 | mdc | <= bit duplicator!!! |
| 23:39.59 | anth_r | then folks got all irritated about "oh, they got extra time...") |
| 23:40.01 | carols | anth_r: everyone has issues at the deadline every year |
| 23:40.15 | homunq | I think the solution is the other way around: a prize for the first organization to get all its students' applications in |
| 23:40.16 | SRabbelier|Lappy | anth_r: that was in previous years, before Melange |
| 23:40.18 | carols | it's part of GSoC |
| 23:40.28 | SRabbelier|Lappy | anth_r: they basically had to deploy a new version of the software to disable applications etc. |
| 23:41.00 | anth_r | of course - not meaning to criticize. and these "issues" were usually minutes. certainly no big deal. |
| 23:41.01 | gevaerts | homunq: isn't that a prize for the organisation that has the fewest interested students? |
| 23:41.15 | homunq | OK, fine. Idea needs work. |
| 23:41.33 | gevaerts | homunq: if it needs 12 weeks of work, you know what to do with it :) |
| 23:42.04 | dsrbecky | carols: I think that if the student says "but I was just 1 minute late", it is harsh. But if he says "I was 1 hour" late, I would think... well, that is pretty late. It is subjective where the boundary is - my opinion is something in the order of minutes. |
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| 23:42.29 | SRabbelier|Lappy | dsrbecky: for your sake, consider the deadline to be 10 minutes _before_ 1900 utc ;) |
| 23:42.31 | homunq | But the point is that there could be some soft incentive for finishing early; a carrot to balance out the stick of... |
| 23:42.33 | homunq | !no |
| 23:42.34 | socinfo | homunq: "no" is no, you cannot have a deadline extension. have a cookie instead. |
| 23:42.38 | Michael | Hi, I need some assistance with my application |
| 23:42.45 | wolfb | dsrbecky: in my book a deadline is a deadline. Especially at work |
| 23:42.47 | carols | here we go |
| 23:42.50 | SRabbelier|Lappy | awrrrrrrr |
| 23:42.54 | SRabbelier|Lappy | almost! |
| 23:43.00 | SRabbelier|Lappy | we almost made it with no questions :P |
| 23:43.01 | carols | Michael: what application? |
| 23:43.09 | carols | SRabbelier|Lappy: i know...i shouldn't have said anything |
| 23:43.10 | ojwb | for student applications, the carrot is that by submitting your app early, you get more time to iterate with potential mentors and improve it |
| 23:43.19 | SRabbelier|Lappy | carols: it's all your fault! :P |
| 23:43.27 | SRabbelier|Lappy | ojwb: +many to that |
| 23:43.28 | wolfb | keeps the no close at hand |
| 23:43.28 | carols | SRabbelier|Lappy: it usually is, regardless of topic. |
| 23:43.33 | ojwb | if your first submission is seconds before the deadline, you get judged on that |
| 23:43.36 | kblin | !extension |
| 23:43.36 | socinfo | kblin: "extension" is not planned. |
| 23:43.52 | SRabbelier|Lappy | carols: awr, quite the opposite I would say |
| 23:44.02 | carols | SRabbelier|Lappy: well thank you :-) |
| 23:44.18 | Guest4696 | Was just hitting submit on an application to be a mentor and then got an error on the page |
| 23:44.29 | Guest4696 | now it keeps giving me a message saying the page is inactive |
| 23:44.32 | ojwb | Guest4696: the deadline was 44 minutes ago |
| 23:44.49 | carols | thanks ojwb |
| 23:44.52 | homunq | wait... the deadline for being a mentor? |
| 23:44.52 | SRabbelier|Lappy | Guest4696: you can't apply to be a mentor yet |
| 23:45.00 | SRabbelier|Lappy | Guest4696: that's not until |
| 23:45.01 | SRabbelier|Lappy | !next |
| 23:45.02 | socinfo | SRabbelier|Lappy: "next" is Friday, March 18 - Mentoring organizations are announced |
| 23:45.11 | ojwb | assumes Guest4696 meant to be a mentoring org |
| 23:45.17 | wolfb | SRabbelier|Lappy: surely you mean student |
| 23:45.28 | wolfb | and yet means 2012 |
| 23:45.33 | Guest4696 | Yes Mentoring Org |
| 23:45.41 | carols | Guest4696: yeah, you missed the deadline |
| 23:45.41 | SRabbelier|Lappy | wolfb: no |
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| 23:45.54 | Guest4696 | I had everything in the form, it took me a while to get here, I don't have an IRC client on my machine, and my connection is slow |
| 23:45.56 | SRabbelier|Lappy | wolfb: you can't apply to be am entor until accepted orgs are announced |
| 23:45.59 | wolfb | SRabbelier|Lappy: then you meant anymore :P |
| 23:46.07 | carols | Guest4696: you should have applied three days ago in that case |
| 23:46.13 | homunq | Guest4696: what is your project? |
| 23:46.15 | SRabbelier|Lappy | wolfb: as soon as the accepted orgs are announced you can apply to be a mentor with one of the accepted orgs |
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| 23:46.27 | wolfb | SRabbelier|Lappy: yea I was thinking mentoring org |
| 23:46.37 | wolfb | stands on the corrected pixel |
| 23:46.41 | Guest4696 | I just found out about this the other day and have been putting together our application all day |
| 23:46.47 | SRabbelier|Lappy | wolfb: rightfully so |
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| 23:46.52 | carols | Guest4696: sorry to hear that |
| 23:46.56 | Guest4696 | *the deadline rather, I'm familiar with the project |
| 23:47.04 | homunq | Guest4696: You can try next year. |
| 23:47.12 | homunq | Guest4696: what is your project? |
| 23:47.24 | SRabbelier|Lappy | has the impression that everybody is enjoying saying !no a little bit too much |
| 23:47.31 | SRabbelier|Lappy | himself included |
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| 23:47.39 | carols | is getting a little bit of joy out of it |
| 23:47.42 | carols | but its friday |
| 23:47.54 | homunq | The reason I ask is that, though you are probably out of luck, you may have a chance to be included with a larger org, such as Python. |
| 23:47.55 | anth_r | i'm restraining myself. it is tempting. |
| 23:48.21 | Guest4696 | It's for Network Monitor Experts, part of the Outercurve Foundation |
| 23:48.21 | wolfb | is tired, so seeing people getting nos is a bit funny. |
| 23:48.55 | homunq | Guest4696: I don't want to get your hopes up at all, the chances are very slim. But if you want to try every last angle... So, what is your project? |
| 23:48.55 | carols | Guest4696: homunq is right, you might want to see if an accepted org wants you to be part of their umbrella if it fits appropriately |
| 23:49.01 | Guest4696 | I can understand timing out the form for submission, but I had the page open and was copying my finalized copy in. |
| 23:49.35 | carols | Guest4696: i would encourage you to try again next year. |
| 23:49.45 | wolfb | <Guest4696: did you hit save at any point in the process? |
| 23:50.04 | SRabbelier|Lappy | Guest4696: it closes automatically at the specified time |
| 23:50.08 | Guest4696 | What Save? there was only submit at the bottom |
| 23:50.15 | homunq | Guest4696: I understand your frustration, but every year, there are people like you asking for an extension. If the answer were anything but a flat no, in the long run it would just be more pain for everyone, as people would slide even further past the deadline. |
| 23:50.17 | wolfb | Yea, that one |
| 23:50.25 | wolfb | after submitting you can still edit the form |
| 23:50.44 | wolfb | SRabbelier|Lappy: ok if I make a FR to get the submit button to say save? |
| 23:50.46 | Guest4696 | I'm not asking for an extension, I have an application ready. I had the form open, it was on the site. |
| 23:51.12 | homunq | Guest4696: OK. Every year there are people like you. |
| 23:51.13 | Guest4696 | If I had known I could edit a few minor details later, I would have hit submit a while ago |
| 23:51.14 | wolfb | technically you are asking for an extension. Besides carols already said no |
| 23:51.15 | ojwb | Guest4696: the deadline is on submitting, so you actually are asking for an extension |
| 23:51.18 | homunq | Whatever you call it. |
| 23:51.23 | ojwb | i'm sorry you've missed it, but you have |
| 23:51.27 | SRabbelier|Lappy | wolfb: uhhh |
| 23:51.46 | ojwb | as people have said, finding an appropriate umbrella org is your best option for this year |
| 23:52.19 | wolfb | SRabbelier|Lappy: "Submit" is sort of final Submit the application. If it would say "Save" it might be more clear that you can continue after hitting the button |
| 23:52.34 | SRabbelier|Lappy | wolfb: which would then make people ask "how can I submit it" :P |
| 23:52.46 | ojwb | or a note somewhere on the form that you can edit after submitting, if there isn't one already |
| 23:52.57 | carols | ojwb: we do |
| 23:53.00 | wolfb | SRabbelier|Lappy: maybe you can't have the cake and eat it too |
| 23:53.01 | _Samo | hi there |
| 23:53.11 | homunq | "Submit (But you can still edit later)". Big ugly button, but maybe worth it. |
| 23:53.14 | _Samo | how many organisations have applied? |
| 23:53.22 | ojwb | _Samo: 430 |
| 23:53.26 | _Samo | good |
| 23:53.28 | wolfb | !orgapp |
| 23:53.30 | SRabbelier|Lappy | homunq: it's fine as is |
| 23:53.33 | ojwb | !numapps |
| 23:53.33 | socinfo | ojwb: "numapps" is 430 mentoring orgs applied this year. In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and 151 were accepted; 5539 proposals were submitted by 3464 students, and 1026 were accepted |
| 23:53.46 | wolfb | thanks ojwb |
| 23:53.47 | dsrbecky | ojwb: I think there was such a note, wasn't there? |
| 23:53.50 | SRabbelier|Lappy | wolfb: we had EchoDitto design our forms, they chose "Submit", I'm going to go with what the experts said :) |
| 23:54.08 | ojwb | dsrbecky: I did say " if there isn't one already" |
| 23:54.13 | ojwb | I don't think I can check now |
| 23:54.14 | _Samo | good luck to all |
| 23:54.24 | ojwb | and I wasn't sure if I just knew from last year |
| 23:54.34 | wolfb | SRabbelier|Lappy: I agree. :) |
| 23:54.58 | wolfb | just had inside knowledge |
| 23:55.02 | dsrbecky | ojwb: I am not 100% sure either :-) But I think so :-) |
| 23:55.07 | wolfb | or rather relied on it |
| 23:55.10 | carols | wolfb: pm? |
| 23:55.18 | wolfb | carols: sure |
| 23:55.42 | schumaml | there was a "you can edit the application until the deadline" on the form |
| 23:55.42 | ojwb | dsrbecky: carols said "we do" |
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| 23:56.40 | Soup_ | Is there any preparation a prospective student should do before the mentor orgs are published? |
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| 23:56.56 | carols | Soup_: read the student manual |
| 23:56.58 | SRabbelier|Lappy | Soup_: get in touch with projects you'd like to work with that applied |
| 23:57.00 | schumaml | read the rules and the timeline |
| 23:57.18 | Soup_ | I'm looking at the timeline right now, however I can't find a link to the student manual |
| 23:57.52 | carols | Soup_: its at the top of the FAQs |
| 23:57.53 | gevaerts | Also get in touch with projects you'd like to work with that didn't apply. It's also cool to work on open source outside of gsoc :) |
| 23:58.15 | ojwb | www.google.com/search?&q=gsoc+student+manual |
| 23:58.42 | mdc | carols: I have an idea for a Melange feature :) |
| 23:58.58 | carols | mdc: SRabbelier|Lappy and the bug queue are your friends :-) |
| 23:59.09 | SRabbelier|Lappy | hides |
| 23:59.13 | mdc | Indeed :) |
| 23:59.16 | SRabbelier|Lappy | mdc: or... does it involve cookies? |
| 23:59.26 | mdc | SRabbelier|Lappy: it could :) |
| 23:59.28 | carols | serves cookies |
| 23:59.32 | carols | yay cookies |
| 23:59.48 | SRabbelier|Lappy | nom nom, cookies! |
