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| 07:06.18 | farahnaj | how to start working in gsoc? |
| 07:06.29 | farahnaj | i am new in this |
| 07:06.55 | socketguru | read faqs |
| 07:07.47 | farahnaj | yes,i read that bt i can't understand application procedure |
| 07:08.27 | |Kev| | !timeline |
| 07:08.27 | socinfo | |Kev|: "timeline" is http://goo.gl/0lYPz |
| 07:08.42 | |Kev| | ^ |
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| 07:11.39 | ojwb | also http://www.booki.cc/gsocstudentguide/ |
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| 07:14.24 | farahnaj | thank u so much |
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| 08:12.41 | Viktor | hello |
| 08:13.05 | Viktor | i would want to ask a question about the gci prizes |
| 08:13.21 | Viktor | because mine hasn't been delivered yet |
| 08:14.32 | Viktor | could somebody tell me how to get the number of my delivery |
| 08:14.33 | Viktor | ? |
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| 11:13.54 | awlo | hi all |
| 11:14.16 | awlo | can gsoc scholarship be combined with an internship in an institution/company? |
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| 11:16.07 | matthewwilkes | awlo: GSoC is not a scholarship, but it is a fulltime job. You cannot do another job at the same time. |
| 11:16.54 | awlo | matthewwilkes: thanks |
| 11:17.27 | awlo | what I meant is: can a student work on a project for gsoc, and that same project count as his internship (possibly with extra funds) |
| 11:18.03 | awlo | (not internship for google, a third party institution of course) |
| 11:18.52 | matthewwilkes | awlo: If that third party wants to pay you for doing something open source go with them and leave a GSoC space open for someone that doesn't have that opportunity |
| 11:19.22 | matthewwilkes | awlo: You'd probably need to have a mentor at the third party anyway, in short, it'd be a bad idea but afaik within the rules |
| 11:20.01 | Ivanovic | awlo: trust me, doing a full time internship/job in addition to gsoc won't work out |
| 11:20.05 | Ivanovic | it is just too much work |
| 11:20.31 | awlo | well, google can offer more money;) I was thinking that counting gsoc work as internship would be an additional incentive to do it |
| 11:20.43 | Ivanovic | awlo: in theory this is allowed to do, *BUT* you will fail at least with one of the two |
| 11:21.01 | Ivanovic | gsoc is *not* an internship at google |
| 11:21.11 | matthewwilkes | Ivanovic: He means doing an internship doing the same project as he has for GSoC |
| 11:21.21 | matthewwilkes | Ivanovic: I.e. getting two orgs to pay him for the exact same contributio |
| 11:21.22 | matthewwilkes | n |
| 11:21.23 | Ivanovic | it is participating in gsoc while basically being hired by a project for a task |
| 11:21.29 | Ivanovic | (and google giving the money for this) |
| 11:22.00 | Ivanovic | ugh, okay, this is in theory possible to do, *BUT* |
| 11:22.06 | |Kev| | Ivanovic: Be aware that if you try and game the system like this, you'll have to follow the instructions of your GSoC mentor, not of the internship - which may have implications. |
| 11:22.09 | Ivanovic | you would still have to be accepted by the project for this |
| 11:22.17 | kai | in my experience doing gsoc for the money is a bad incentive in any case |
| 11:23.00 | awlo | again - I was thinking of the internship as an *additional* incentive to gsoc |
| 11:23.09 | dskw | From what I know, it is possible to do GSOC, and have it counted as an internship module in the university (hence according to university credits for your summer stint). YMMV. |
| 11:23.13 | awlo | I actually thought it would help everybody too |
| 11:24.01 | Ivanovic | awlo: you'd need several things to get this to work: |
| 11:24.08 | kai | awlo: and now you've learned that money is a touchy subject in many open source projects :) |
| 11:24.15 | Ivanovic | 1) you need someone to give you this as "job" outside of gsoc (while still being a student!) |
| 11:24.47 | kai | whoops, off to a seminar I go |
| 11:25.00 | Ivanovic | 2) you need to make the project that would be the "correct" mentor for this task (that you already are being paid for somehow) to accept you as student with *this* very idea that someone else already acked |
| 11:25.18 | Ivanovic | and over the project you have to satisfy both, '1' as well as '2' |
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| 11:25.50 | Ivanovic | being able to get this done (especially the "accepted by project" part with an already existing and "predefined" project) is *freaking hard* |
| 11:27.10 | awlo | Ivanovic: unless you just want a student introduced into the domain you're working on, which happens to be one of the OS projects and you choose the gsoc project as your internship project... |
| 11:27.19 | awlo | anyway, thank you all for feedback, most valuable:) |
| 11:28.23 | Ivanovic | awlo: getting accepted into gsoc is *difficult* |
| 11:28.38 | Ivanovic | eg at wesnoth we had about 10 students per available slot over the last years |
| 11:28.52 | Ivanovic | having *several* really good proposals and great students |
| 11:28.58 | awlo | Ivanovic: I know, I've already took a peek at the process last year |
| 11:29.00 | Ivanovic | so do *NOT* count on being accepted |
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| 11:38.51 | thebolt | hi |
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| 11:39.25 | |Kev| | Hey thebolt. |
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| 13:32.14 | hackyyy_ | !next |
| 13:32.15 | socinfo | hackyyy_: "next" is Friday, March 18 - Mentoring organizations are announced |
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| 13:33.43 | dberkholz | Ivanovic: that's much worse than average. on the whole, roughly 1 of 3 students is accepted |
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| 13:34.20 | Ivanovic | dberkholz: main reason is probably that we are a game and games are well loved |
| 13:34.39 | dberkholz | !numapps |
| 13:34.39 | socinfo | dberkholz: "numapps" is 430 mentoring orgs applied this year. In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and 151 were accepted; 5539 proposals were submitted by 3464 students, and 1026 were accepted |
| 13:35.07 | dberkholz | Ivanovic: are you asking for more slots and not getting them? |
| 13:35.12 | Ivanovic | no |
| 13:35.27 | Ivanovic | dberkholz: we can't mentor more than what we ask for |
| 13:35.37 | dberkholz | ah, so that's what you're maxing out on |
| 13:35.41 | Ivanovic | we just have a limited group of core devs that really have the time to mentor |
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| 13:42.19 | koda|work | Ivanovic, are wesnoth and hedgewars the only games submitted? |
| 13:42.42 | Ivanovic | koda|work: there tend to be several games and game engines submitted (and accepted) every year |
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| 13:46.14 | sfb | koda|work: There were a few accepted last year, you can check the list to see whom was accepted. |
| 13:46.27 | sfb | koda|work: Bearing in mind some projects "host" others. |
| 13:46.46 | sfb | koda|work: So like some PlaneShift people work ideas under CrystalSpace and Ryzom Core was under WorldForge last year. |
| 13:47.01 | sfb | koda|work: (coincidentally we've applied on our own this year.) |
| 13:47.22 | sfb | koda|work: Thousand Parsec is in every year. |
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| 14:05.07 | tty1 | Would it be appropiate for me to ask for some feedback on my organizations idea page? Id like suggestions on how to improve it. |
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| 14:11.43 | dberkholz | tty1: check out http://www.booki.cc/gsoc-mentoring/_v/1.0/making-your-ideas-page/ |
| 14:11.50 | kevin7kal | tty1 - ask away. |
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| 14:12.35 | tty1 | dberkholz, yes i saw that already and used some ideas |
| 14:12.52 | tty1 | kevin7kal, this is our current ideas page: http://wiki.syncleus.com/index.php/dANN:Roadmap#Integration |
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| 14:15.53 | dberkholz | tty1: it looks pretty good. it's not obvious exactly how to contact any of the listed mentors, though. and you might want to write a little more of an intro/welcome at the top directed at students |
| 14:17.10 | dberkholz | oh, i see. up in that intro is a sentence that says you can find them on irc |
| 14:17.36 | dberkholz | it didn't really look like it was written for students so i didn't catch that bit |
| 14:21.11 | tty1 | dberkholz, hmm more of an intro specifically emphasizing it is for students might help |
| 14:21.41 | tty1 | dberkholz, well the id is their google-melange id, so i figured that was what we used officially for the mentor names? |
| 14:22.20 | tty1 | dberkholz, i should add their emails though too i guess, but i wanted to have just one official email instead for now |
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| 14:46.46 | dberkholz | tty1: for ours, we use real names (not irc nicks) that are mailto links |
| 14:47.08 | tty1 | dberkholz, cant hurt to add that |
| 14:47.14 | dberkholz | tty1: that way people don't end up writing stuff like "Dear tty1, it is very nice to meet you." |
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| 14:51.16 | tty1 | dberkholz, yea we jsut figured a gsoc id were more official for review by gsoc |
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| 14:57.10 | dberkholz | i suspect google reviews your page based on its suitability for students. i doubt they're going and matching up every name with a database... |
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| 14:58.58 | dbs | dberkholz: I like the idea of them doing that, though. "So, does this mentor have any sort of a track record? Let's calculate their IRC/mailing list question/answer percentages and associated success ratios..." |
| 14:59.31 | matthewwilkes | dbs: I like the trust way, myself |
| 14:59.50 | dbs | Okay, s/like/am amused by/ |
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| 15:44.07 | knobcreekman | Hello, I am wanting to apply for gsoc this year. I have read through the student guide and much of the documentation on the site. My question is, How much experience does a person need to participate? I know that it mentions they have projects ranking from beginner to expert. I have three semesters of programming courses from college as well as some rudimentary hobby studies. Would this be enough to qualify me for some of the |
| 15:44.08 | knobcreekman | projects? Thanks for your time |
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| 15:51.54 | sfb | knobcreekman: It depends on the project and mentor. |
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| 15:52.31 | ojwb | the student guide has a whole section on it... |
| 15:52.35 | ojwb | http://www.booki.cc/gsocstudentguide/_v/1.0/am-i-good-enough/ |
| 15:53.39 | knobcreekman | thanks, i've read that. I was just looking for some more interactive feedback. I've never worked on any sw project other than small programs for school. |
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| 15:54.58 | ojwb | as sfb says, it can work if you pick the right project and have a suitable mentor |
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| 15:56.05 | chandan_kumar | hii, where can i apply as a participants for gsoc? |
| 15:56.09 | knobcreekman | ok, thanks. Is this something that will become apparent once the list of accepted orgs/projects is listed? |
| 15:58.11 | thiago | !next |
| 15:58.12 | socinfo | thiago: "next" is Friday, March 18 - Mentoring organizations are announced |
| 15:58.15 | thiago | chandan_kumar: ^^^^ |
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| 15:58.18 | thiago | chandan_kumar: you can't apply *yet* |
| 15:58.57 | HerraBRE | Once orgs have been announced, you have some time to get to know them and even interact with people from the orgs you want to work with, before you submit an application. |
| 15:59.15 | ojwb | knobcreekman: it should be more apparent then |
| 15:59.26 | chandan_kumar | i want to participate under different mentors? |
| 15:59.28 | ojwb | but you can start talking to orgs which have applied already |
| 15:59.31 | Pranav_rcmas1 | knobcreekman, search around for projects that might come up in GSoC this year. You can look up last year's orgs and their projects, and also google for this year's potential ideas. I'm sure you'll find something interesting. If you're interested enough, establish contact and then you'll figure out the rest :) |
| 15:59.52 | knobcreekman | ok, thanks everyone for the info and help! I really appreciate it! |
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| 16:00.35 | Pranav_rcmas1 | knobcreekman, I'm trying this year as well :) |
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| 16:46.33 | nisarg | i was reading through the (informal?) requirements for gsoc and came across this point that says i'll have to have atleast 40 hours a week to put in it? is this 100% TRUE and NEEDED precisely. I have my college exams till mid june, and would surely not be able to put that much time initially. |
| 16:47.57 | |Kev| | It is not a hard requirement. |
| 16:48.14 | |Kev| | It is saying, though, that you're expected to put in similar effort to a full-time job. |
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| 16:48.49 | |Kev| | If you couldn't do this for some of the period, chat with the orgs you're applying for and see if you could work something out. |
| 16:49.00 | nisarg | so what if i cant initially, and then put in more to cover that much up later |
| 16:49.03 | nisarg | oh, okay |
| 16:49.12 | thiago_home | nisarg: treat GSoC as a full-time thing |
| 16:49.24 | thiago_home | if you have other commitments, make sure your mentor knows about them beforehand |
| 16:49.36 | thiago_home | "I have exams this week, so I'll be unresponsive" |
| 16:49.44 | |Kev| | Note that I would be shocked at any org saying "It's ok, do no work for a few weeks (I forget the timeline offhand), because that screws up with assessing. |
| 16:49.59 | |Kev| | At least initially. |
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| 16:50.41 | thiago_home | also remember the pencils-down date is a hard limit |
| 16:50.42 | thiago_home | no changing that |
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| 16:50.57 | thiago_home | your progress will be judged by that deadline |
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| 16:53.35 | nisarg | ohhh..... :( |
| 16:54.12 | |Kev| | You might be able to work out starting a bit earlier, and putting in less effort in your exam weeks or something. |
| 16:54.24 | |Kev| | Chat to the orgs. |
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| 16:55.45 | svaksha | nisarg: its better you discuss it with the org/mentor as each org's outlook varies. |
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| 17:40.26 | carols | serves tea and coffee and takes some coffee for herself |
| 17:40.47 | |Kev| | Morning carols. |
| 17:41.01 | carols | morning |Kev| |
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| 17:56.48 | dberkholz | mornin |
| 17:56.54 | dberkholz | well, afternoon for me. |
| 17:57.24 | dberkholz | carols: i found a couple of gentoo folks in houston who i forgot were here, so things worked out pretty well on the "free time" front! |
| 17:57.37 | carols | dberkholz: awesome! i'm glad to hear it. |
| 17:57.42 | |Kev| | In as much as you now don't have any? :) |
| 17:57.43 | carols | goes back to application review |
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| 17:59.25 | khrm | dberkholz night for me. |
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| 18:27.39 | aakriti | !next |
| 18:27.39 | socinfo | aakriti: "next" is Friday, March 18 - Mentoring organizations are announced |
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| 18:27.53 | dberkholz | hiya lh |
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| 18:29.16 | lh | dberkholz: hey, how are you? |
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| 18:29.49 | dberkholz | lh: doing well. at a workshop in houston for the week, and i even tracked down a couple of gentoo folks to hang out with. times are good. yourself? |
| 18:29.58 | pygi | hands out cookies and cocoa to lh |
| 18:30.08 | lh | pygi: why thank you! |
| 18:30.09 | lh | noms |
| 18:30.21 | pygi | how are u? :) |
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| 18:30.35 | pygi | when do we meet for real cookies & cocoa? |
| 18:30.35 | lh | dberkholz: just got back from dallas, moved into a new place weekend before last, enjoying life. |
| 18:30.36 | pygi | :D |
| 18:30.39 | lh | pygi: very well thank you |
| 18:30.47 | lh | pygi: it's on the ever growing list of things to do |
| 18:30.59 | pygi | so that means never :p |
| 18:31.01 | pygi | got it... |
| 18:31.09 | pygi | :) |
| 18:31.16 | pygi | so how's new place been treating you? |
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| 18:47.45 | lh | pygi: i really like it, but the internetz are not yet hooked up. been going through withdrawl. |
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| 18:53.50 | mlankhorst | la lh :O |
| 18:54.08 | lh | mlankhorst: hola |
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| 18:54.45 | mlankhorst | how are ya |
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| 19:23.35 | dhaun | nice, my GSoC presentation has 1400 |
| 19:23.38 | dhaun | oops |
| 19:23.45 | gevaerts | 1400 errors? |
| 19:23.47 | dhaun | 1400+ views on slideshare now |
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| 19:24.19 | dhaun | helps that it's featured on their homepage and that the GSoC logo is an eyecatcher this year :) |
| 19:26.14 | aakriti | dhaun: Hey! Pass on the link. |
| 19:26.37 | dhaun | aakriti: http://www.slideshare.net/dhaun/google-summer-of-code-2011-english |
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| 19:30.21 | aakriti | dhaun: Nicely put together! |
| 19:30.39 | dhaun | thanks :) |
| 19:30.40 | aakriti | dhaun: So you are a student or mentor or last year's GSoC student? |
| 19:31.03 | dhaun | it's short on words, but has links "hidden" in it to the FAQ, timeline, etc. |
| 19:31.21 | aakriti | yeah |
| 19:31.24 | dhaun | aakriti: I was a mentor in previous years - and hopefully again this year |
| 19:31.39 | aakriti | ok.Which organization? |
| 19:31.46 | dhaun | Geeklog |
| 19:31.53 | psychon | "Flash Player 9 (or above) is needed to..." :( |
| 19:32.54 | dhaun | psychon: use an iPad ;-) |
| 19:33.14 | psychon | can you send me one? |
| 19:33.33 | dhaun | there's also a download link for the PDF behind it all, if you're interested |
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| 19:34.13 | PJ_Robins | +1 interested in pdf |
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| 19:35.30 | dhaun | PJ_Robins: don't tell me they embedded the download link in the Flash? it should be just above the presentation, in the "menu bar" with Email, Favorite, etc. |
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| 19:37.21 | psychon | "Login or Signup to download this file" |
| 19:37.42 | dhaun | oh, didn't realize this, sorry :-/ |
| 19:37.44 | psychon | alternatevly, I can sign in with my non-existant facebook account |
| 19:38.57 | dbs | dhaun: yeah, slideshare is weird/evil like that. not your fault :) |
| 19:40.20 | dhaun | I'm uploading it somewhere else |
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| 19:47.23 | lh | mlankhorst: doing well, you? |
| 19:47.52 | summatusmentis | it's an lh |
| 19:47.57 | mlankhorst | im ok :) |
| 19:48.11 | lh | summatusmentis: 'tis indeed. how are you? |
| 19:48.13 | lh | mlankhorst: glad to hear it. |
| 19:48.14 | mlankhorst | so how is it to stand on the other side of summer of code? :P |
| 19:48.31 | summatusmentis | lh: pretty good, just doing the spring break thing |
| 19:48.33 | dhaun | PJ_Robins: http://www.haun-online.de/presentations/slides/GSoC-2011-english.pdf |
| 19:48.43 | lh | mlankhorst: i think i'll org admin for osuosl this year, assuming they're ok with it |
| 19:48.47 | dhaun | waves in lh's general direction |
| 19:48.48 | mlankhorst | :D |
| 19:48.50 | lh | summatusmentis: that sounds lovely |
| 19:48.50 | mlankhorst | hahaha |
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| 19:48.55 | lh | dhaun: how are you my friend? |
| 19:49.11 | PJ_Robins | dhaun: thanks |
| 19:49.11 | dhaun | fine, thanks - busy, but fine :) |
| 19:49.38 | dhaun | PJ_Robins: you're welcome - I put this under a CC license for a reason :) |
| 19:49.47 | lh | dhaun: presentation is fantastic. :) glad to hear you are well |
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| 19:51.01 | mlankhorst | didn't think to see you being a mentor though ;p |
| 19:51.25 | summatusmentis | lh: it's nice. Oh, FYI, accepted the UMN, still watiting to hear from GA Tech, but they invited me down to visit for Prospective Student Weekend. |
| 19:51.39 | lh | summatusmentis: fantastic! |
| 19:51.49 | summatusmentis | indeed :) |
| 19:52.00 | lh | mlankhorst: i don't code, so not much good on the mentor side of things. i can give decent guidance and hand wave in the right direction though |
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| 19:52.08 | lh | summatusmentis: hold out for GA Tech. :) |
| 19:52.37 | mlankhorst | lh: but you invented summer of code :P |
| 19:52.38 | summatusmentis | lh: they're supposed to let me know soon, I think I'd rather be there after visiting, but we'll see what shakes |
| 19:53.13 | lh | mlankhorst: not at all. ghop (now gci) maybe, but it's a community effort. :) |
| 19:53.16 | dberkholz | lh: sounds like you should be org admin then =) |
| 19:53.17 | lh | summatusmentis: nifty |
| 19:53.25 | lh | dberkholz: that's the plan :) |
| 19:53.30 | lh | runs off to make phone call bbialb |
| 19:53.34 | dberkholz | lh: want to help out with gentoo? |
| 19:53.50 | dbs | dhaun++ # quick flip through, nice pres |
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| 19:54.17 | dhaun | thanks :) |
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| 20:02.08 | lh | dberkholz: describe this "help wanted" please |
| 20:02.22 | lh | dberkholz: my march is pretty much shot but if i can help i shall |
| 20:04.22 | dberkholz | lh: good thing it'd be in april then. =) essentially doing first-cut evaluations of student proposals, not necessarily for technical correctness but to make sure the structure is ok |
| 20:04.52 | lh | dberkholz: i think i could manage that. can we talk a bit more about gentoo's processes? PM is ok so we don't disturb the rest of the channel |
| 20:05.37 | dberkholz | sure |
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| 20:07.21 | kblin | hey lh, how's life at osuosl? |
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| 20:07.39 | BBB | hi carols, can I privmsg you? |
| 20:08.04 | dotnick | :) |
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| 20:08.21 | BBB | oh, well, I guess that's not going to happen then |
| 20:09.26 | summatusmentis | BBB: could try emailing her |
| 20:09.39 | BBB | ok |
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| 20:11.27 | lh | kblin: very happy here. i <3 Portland! |
| 20:11.33 | lh | !timeline |
| 20:11.34 | socinfo | lh: "timeline" is http://goo.gl/0lYPz |
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| 20:14.54 | kblin | lh: great to hear. haven't managed to get to portland yet, just flew over it last year |
| 20:15.00 | zaccone | hello everyone |
| 20:15.22 | gevaerts | kblin: there's a nice big bookshop in Portland |
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| 20:16.07 | PJ_Robins | Powell's in Portland is the holy grail of bookstores. |
| 20:16.24 | sfb | summatusmentis: UMN... TC? |
| 20:16.28 | gevaerts | Within its class, anyway |
| 20:16.55 | PJ_Robins | You should also go a few blocks to Powell's Technical Books. Great place to explore |
| 20:16.58 | gevaerts | If you're looking for an old second-hand book shop with ghosts in it, Powell's isn't the one |
| 20:17.09 | gevaerts | That's where I got my K&R II :) |
| 20:17.13 | PJ_Robins | nope, too big and new. |
| 20:17.17 | kblin | gevaerts: with my luck, they still miss the pratchett books I'm missing |
| 20:17.35 | PJ_Robins | you can always check them online. |
| 20:17.44 | gevaerts | kblin: they might not have the UK editions, but I'm not sure of that |
| 20:18.04 | gevaerts | Which ones are you missing? |
| 20:19.16 | gevaerts | hugs his copy of Once more *with footnotes :) |
| 20:19.23 | kblin | a couple of the early ones |
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| 20:21.10 | kblin | and "the wee free men" |
| 20:21.16 | gevaerts | I'd be surprised if Powell's didn't have at least the US editions of all of them |
| 20:21.32 | bahaa | k&r II ? |
| 20:21.34 | bahaa | u mean ansi ? |
| 20:22.01 | gevaerts | looks around for u |
| 20:22.37 | bahaa | you* |
| 20:22.39 | bahaa | lol |
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| 20:22.41 | gevaerts | Oh |
| 20:22.54 | gevaerts | K&R II is the updated one, yes. |
| 20:23.24 | bahaa | i thought there was really a second version |
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| 20:23.41 | gevaerts | ? |
| 20:23.54 | gevaerts | That *is* the second edition |
| 20:24.41 | bahaa | one sec |
| 20:24.46 | dhaun | still has the first edition, but as horrible German translation |
| 20:24.49 | bahaa | oh yep it is |
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| 20:24.57 | CarsonLynn | first edition is pre ANSI |
| 20:25.01 | CarsonLynn | so it's kind of bizarre |
| 20:25.07 | gevaerts | The first edition describes what's commonly known as K&R C :) |
| 20:25.09 | CarsonLynn | I wasn't aware you could get them anywhere anymore |
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| 20:25.13 | dhaun | hey, it's how I learned C :) |
| 20:25.38 | bahaa | not bad |
| 20:25.46 | bahaa | by the way |
| 20:26.01 | bahaa | you think there will be any on Go lang this year ? |
| 20:26.10 | gevaerts | Powell's has copies of the 1st edition :) |
| 20:26.18 | gevaerts | any what? |
| 20:26.29 | bahaa | proj |
| 20:26.29 | bahaa | ects |
| 20:26.41 | bahaa | that they would prefer if Go used |
| 20:27.37 | kblin | was that that google-language that's not python? |
| 20:28.02 | bahaa | golang.org |
| 20:28.27 | dhaun | well, the K of K&R was involved in Go, IIRC, so it can't be all bad ;-) |
| 20:28.45 | CarsonLynn | when are we going to see a Go OS? |
| 20:29.02 | gevaerts | A goose? |
| 20:29.15 | CarsonLynn | Operating System |
| 20:29.18 | bahaa | google os ? |
| 20:29.46 | CarsonLynn | they already have Chrome and Android |
| 20:29.50 | CarsonLynn | they need a real OS |
| 20:30.00 | pygi | :D |
| 20:30.05 | bahaa | chromium os |
| 20:30.15 | gevaerts | knows of one OS project in python |
| 20:30.26 | pygi | OS in Visual Basic! |
| 20:30.27 | pygi | :D |
| 20:30.28 | bahaa | OS on python ? |
| 20:30.30 | PJ_Robins | Go is there internal systems programming language, their C heavy on concurrency. |
| 20:30.31 | bahaa | that's nuts |
| 20:30.38 | PJ_Robins | their* |
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| 20:30.52 | bahaa | oh really PJ_Robins |
| 20:31.10 | gevaerts | It's not very advanced yet |
| 20:31.11 | schumaml | some 'OS in $lang' are rather 'DE in $browser' |
| 20:31.30 | gevaerts | https://launchpad.net/pycorn |
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| 20:31.55 | bahaa | but go is compiled to native |
| 20:31.58 | schumaml | because an OS is notepa^wtext editor and calculator, right? |
| 20:32.09 | bahaa | may give it advantage over python |
| 20:32.36 | gevaerts | That depends on your goals |
| 20:32.39 | CarsonLynn | Python has some efficiency issues |
| 20:32.48 | CarsonLynn | but Pycorn looks like a good teaching tool |
| 20:33.04 | gevaerts | Not *yet*, I'd say :) |
| 20:33.08 | CarsonLynn | though it's targeting ARM |
| 20:33.10 | bahaa | interpretted |
| 20:33.10 | CarsonLynn | what? |
| 20:33.18 | bahaa | bah |
| 20:33.39 | bahaa | PyPy aint efficint |
| 20:33.42 | lh | kblin: you really really need to visit. this place is fantabulous. |
| 20:33.55 | bahaa | cpython is ok , yet less than java |
| 20:34.14 | CarsonLynn | Sun tried a Java OS, it didn't go well |
| 20:34.15 | borja | hey lh |
| 20:34.18 | borja | lh: long time no see |
| 20:34.24 | gevaerts | kblin: if you do, make sure to go and see the falls a bit to the east |
| 20:34.46 | lh | borja: how's it going? so nice to "read" you. |
| 20:35.20 | borja | lh: it's going pretty good. I'm enjoying life as not-grad-student. |
| 20:35.43 | lh | borja: i can only imagine. i am considering the whole doctorate thing atm |
| 20:35.48 | kblin | what? I need to name my source files differently depending what architecture I target? |
| 20:35.53 | borja | lh: awesome! |
| 20:36.05 | kblin | now there's a way to introduce duplication into my code |
| 20:36.07 | lh | borja: awesome yes! intimidating, yes! |
| 20:36.08 | gevaerts | CarsonLynn: although "teaching tool" is pycorn's official goal, I managed to extract a confession that it's really "because it can be done!" :) |
| 20:36.34 | CarsonLynn | gevaerts: that's always a good reason to do something |
| 20:36.37 | borja | lh: yeah, though, in hindsight, it was totally worth it. Won't deny there were some really rough periods on the way to finishing it. |
| 20:36.53 | lh | borja: i think i can get some motivate on. :) |
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| 20:37.05 | borja | :-) |
| 20:37.28 | gevaerts | CarsonLynn: indeed :) In this case, the most dangerous bit is that he knows what he's talking about, so if he finds enough time he'll actually do it |
| 20:38.02 | PJ_Robins | bahaa: That is how Pike's talks seem to say it was going. |
| 20:38.06 | CarsonLynn | gevaerts: any idea if he's running a GsoC this summer? |
| 20:38.30 | gevaerts | CarsonLynn: for pycorn? Definitely not. |
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| 20:38.51 | gevaerts | He may mentor for rockbox though, if we get in, and if there's a suitable project |
| 20:39.06 | CarsonLynn | what is rockbox? |
| 20:39.22 | kblin | an operating system for media players :) |
| 20:39.23 | gevaerts | An OS that's *not* written in python :) |
| 20:39.31 | kblin | yet |
| 20:39.40 | gevaerts | :) |
| 20:40.07 | CarsonLynn | what language is it written in? |
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| 20:40.12 | gevaerts | Mostly C |
| 20:40.17 | gevaerts | Some asm bits |
| 20:40.38 | kblin | gevaerts: so GNU C? ;) |
| 20:40.43 | gevaerts | Yes! |
| 20:40.57 | CarsonLynn | does anyone use anything else? |
| 20:41.04 | kblin | fair enough, that does qualify as "mostly C" |
| 20:41.29 | kblin | CarsonLynn: I know some people who're raving for clang.llvm |
| 20:41.44 | CarsonLynn | There are some really interesting GsoC projects, but my parents would kill me if I turned down one of the big offers I have for this summer for an open source project |
| 20:41.50 | gevaerts | clang doesn't properly do crosscompiling yet IIUC |
| 20:41.54 | kblin | s#g\.l#g/l# |
| 20:42.39 | kblin | gevaerts: I need to try the ARM native support, that wasn't too great either last time I checked |
| 20:43.11 | thiago_home | building on ARM isn't very... pleasant |
| 20:43.28 | kblin | which again reminds me that I need to install plugapps linux on my sheevaplug and build samba for it |
| 20:43.35 | gevaerts | has been known to build rockbox on his phone |
| 20:43.54 | CarsonLynn | has been known to read email on her phone |
| 20:44.02 | kblin | thiago_home: it's like compiling on x86 a couple of years ago |
| 20:44.10 | thiago_home | right |
| 20:44.23 | gevaerts | It was faster than building in cygwin-on-wine on my laptop |
| 20:44.25 | thiago_home | but I still prefer building on my Core-i7 of last year |
| 20:44.31 | kblin | tends to use his phone to make phone calls |
| 20:44.51 | CarsonLynn | uses her phone for everything but phone calls |
| 20:45.01 | kblin | gevaerts: you're crazy :D |
| 20:45.12 | gevaerts | kblin: not *always*! |
| 20:45.14 | CarsonLynn | gevaerts: why cygwin-on-wine? |
| 20:45.24 | gevaerts | CarsonLynn: to see if it could be done |
| 20:45.36 | CarsonLynn | but, I don't even |
| 20:45.43 | kblin | CarsonLynn: right, if I had an iphone, I could play ping-pong with it, without having to sell my soul to apple |
| 20:45.55 | CarsonLynn | has a N1 |
| 20:46.06 | CarsonLynn | and I got to keep my soul |
| 20:46.20 | gevaerts | But you can't easily install compilers on Android |
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| 20:46.34 | CarsonLynn | you can't easily install compilers on a phone |
| 20:46.38 | thiago_home | sure you can |
| 20:46.41 | thiago_home | it's very easy on the N900 |
| 20:46.56 | gevaerts | On n900, they're only an apt-get install away! |
| 20:46.59 | kblin | thiago_home: too bad it's a dead platform |
| 20:47.11 | gevaerts | But then the n900 isn't that wonderful as a *phone* |
| 20:47.22 | thiago_home | best phone I've ever had |
| 20:47.32 | thiago_home | makes calls, shows my email from the corporate exchange server |
| 20:47.42 | thiago_home | and makes SIP calls via the corporate VoIP server too |
| 20:47.45 | gevaerts | Mine tends to miss calls |
| 20:47.50 | CarsonLynn | what OS did that run? |
| 20:48.05 | gevaerts | maemo |
| 20:48.08 | thiago_home | anyway, the point was that you don't have to do everything you *can* do |
| 20:48.24 | thiago_home | installing compilers on a phone possible? yes. Good idea? no |
| 20:48.40 | CarsonLynn | build on a machine with a real keyboard! |
| 20:48.52 | gevaerts | The n900 has a real keyboard! |
| 20:48.57 | thiago_home | using a cross-compiler inside a build farm |
| 20:48.59 | CarsonLynn | a human sized keyboard |
| 20:49.06 | kblin | CarsonLynn: I prefer to build on a machine that doesn't have a keyboard |
| 20:49.18 | kblin | CarsonLynn: like the build server we have at work |
| 20:49.38 | CarsonLynn | . . . |
| 20:49.40 | g_tsh | a human sized keyboard wouldn't be very practical, I guess |
| 20:49.44 | thiago_home | we don't have a build server. We just use each other's machines. |
| 20:49.50 | gevaerts | claims that building on less common systems is a good way to catch bugs |
| 20:50.06 | kblin | thiago_home: technically it's a general number crunching server |
| 20:50.22 | kblin | it's just also good to do wickedly fast compiles |
| 20:50.36 | CarsonLynn | I don't get a build server at work |
| 20:50.58 | CarsonLynn | but I can access the anchient aix box we keep so IBM can have thier precious precious backwards compatability |
| 20:51.00 | thiago_home | do you have colleagues with regular workstations? |
| 20:51.40 | CarsonLynn | and now I have to go work on some computational geometry in Maple |
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| 20:51.44 | CarsonLynn | kill me now |
| 20:52.52 | gevaerts | Impressively fast build systems aren't really needed for everyone |
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| 20:53.11 | gevaerts | Some stuff builds fast enough anyway |
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| 20:56.29 | thiago_home | and if it isn't fast enough, there's always http://xkcd.com/303/ |
| 20:56.32 | kblin | gevaerts: yeah, our number crunching system would be wasted as a compile server... seeing how most of our code is interpreted perl or python code :) |
| 20:56.52 | kblin | have that on my desk at work :) |
| 20:57.46 | kblin | and http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/1995-11-17/ since my boss made me implement a database |
| 20:58.46 | kblin | and last but not least, http://xkcd.com/327/ since finding an sql injection bug in our web front-end |
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| 20:59.16 | thiago_home | lol |
| 20:59.18 | dhaun | Little Bobby Tables is my all-time xkcd fav :) |
| 21:00.15 | |Kev| | 2nd. |
| 21:00.26 | |Kev| | I prefer Compiling because it's so true :) |
| 21:00.30 | gevaerts | My favourite is 302 |
| 21:00.36 | |Kev| | Yep. |
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| 21:01.21 | gevaerts | |Kev|: 302 isn't "Compiling" :) |
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| 21:01.35 | |Kev| | Ah, is it not? |
| 21:01.51 | |Kev| | Oh, 303 |
| 21:02.06 | |Kev| | You keep 302 if I can keep 303 :) |
| 21:02.13 | gevaerts | OK :) |
| 21:02.27 | gevaerts | 302 looks like it could happen to me (apart from some details) |
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| 21:03.08 | gevaerts | 245 as well, actually |
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| 21:20.02 | mlankhorst | hey carols |
| 21:20.06 | carols | hey mlankhorst |
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| 21:20.16 | carols | i've been heads-down working on gsoc org apps |
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| 21:20.41 | mlankhorst | :D |
| 21:20.49 | mlankhorst | and emails ;) |
| 21:20.55 | gevaerts | gives carols some coffee to help with that |
| 21:21.10 | carols | thanks gevaerts :-) |
| 21:21.18 | carols | mlankhorst: yes, emails. so. many. emails. |
| 21:23.25 | |Kev| | gevaerts: Well we all do 245, right? |
| 21:23.36 | gevaerts | |Kev|: I'd guess so! |
| 21:24.33 | ajedwards | god you guys achieve lots of productive goodness in a day |
| 21:24.46 | ajedwards | caught a glimpse of dilbert and more funnies |
| 21:25.00 | dberkholz | carols: welcome back. while you were gone, i recruited lh to help out with gentoo's gsoc. =) |
| 21:25.19 | carols | dberkholz: awesome. glad to hear it :-) |
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| 21:25.40 | dberkholz | i hope we make it or i'll have to put her to work scrubbing virtual floors |
| 21:25.54 | lh | dberkholz: i prefer virtual counters. the floors always end up messier than when i started. |
| 21:26.02 | lh | wanders to her next meeting |
| 21:28.33 | hex-code | hi all |
| 21:29.32 | mlankhorst | lh: always those meetings ;) |
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| 21:34.23 | lh | mlankhorst: i know. it's the universe's way of making sure i never get anything done. :) |
| 21:34.26 | lh | really wanders away now |
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| 21:55.26 | brewster | i have a question about gsoc: |
| 21:55.35 | |Kev| | Shoot. |
| 21:56.02 | brewster | im moving at the end of the school year. is that a problem? |
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| 21:56.50 | ojwb | i'd be careful where you get the tshirt sent to... |
| 21:57.28 | brewster | so i should send it to my new address |
| 21:57.30 | brewster | ? |
| 21:57.38 | |Kev| | brewster: Assuming you're not crossing countries, I can't see why it'd be a problem apart from making suer you get your packages. |
| 21:57.41 | |Kev| | *sure |
| 21:58.00 | ojwb | and so long as the move doesn't take take many days out of your gsoc time |
| 21:58.07 | brewster | ok |
| 21:58.09 | brewster | thx |
| 21:58.24 | ojwb | I'd guess internet at the new place is the biggest potential issue |
| 21:59.14 | ojwb | but (assuming you're a student) stuff gets posted at the start and end, so you need to make sure you have a working address set for both |
| 22:00.09 | brewster | oh and how do I know if the college im going to is 'accredited'? |
| 22:03.19 | carols | brewster: http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/faqs#accredited |
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| 22:10.18 | panx | Hello, |
| 22:10.19 | panx | i want to ask a general question - What are Mailing Lists ?? |
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| 22:15.20 | brewster | which mailing lists do i have to sign up for for gsoc? |
| 22:15.50 | dhaun | panx: it's a way to do discussions via email - you send an email to a special address and everyone who's signed up for the mailing list will get it |
| 22:16.18 | dhaun | brewster: http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-announce would be a start |
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| 22:16.54 | dhaun | you'll be added to a special students list automatically when you're accepted |
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| 22:17.23 | brewster | anything else? |
| 22:17.25 | dhaun | there's also http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-discuss and http://groups.google.com/group/google-soc-meetups |
| 22:18.17 | panx | Do we have specific mailing lists for different ideas ? |
| 22:18.43 | panx | I mean different projects of an organisation? |
| 22:18.51 | |Kev| | Different mailing lists (or other communication methods) for different orgs. |
| 22:18.59 | dhaun | each org will probably have one of more mailing list |
| 22:19.19 | |Kev| | The orgs' ideas pages will (hopefully!) give details of appropriate discussion venues. |
| 22:21.11 | |Kev| | Right, bed time for tired Kevins, GN all. |
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| 22:53.31 | socinfo | felipevieira: "next" is Friday, March 18 - Mentoring organizations are announced |
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| 23:00.08 | pmros | hello |
| 23:00.39 | pmros | where can I find a list of the best gsoc projects? |
| 23:01.26 | pmros | winner, succesful gsoc projects |
| 23:01.39 | pmros | from 2005 to 2010 |
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| 23:06.01 | carols | pmros: for 2009 and 2010 they're available in melange |
| 23:06.12 | andre__ | pmros, what is a "winner" for you? :) |
| 23:06.28 | andre__ | I'd call any project that was successfully finished (and integrated into its project) a winner... |
| 23:06.58 | pmros | yes, I'm agree |
| 23:07.28 | pmros | melange? |
| 23:07.57 | andre__ | google-melange.com |
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| 23:10.02 | pmros | you are talking about "List all Student Projects"? |
| 23:11.01 | pmros | I'm talking about finished projects |
| 23:11.33 | pmros | not just accepted projects |
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| 23:12.33 | pmros | google gives a prize (money) to best projects, doesn't it? |
| 23:12.45 | Dark_Shikari | no, all successful students get a stipend |
| 23:13.41 | pmros | I'd like to see a list of that sucessful projects |
| 23:14.49 | carols | pmros: if a student's project is listed on melange its because it was successful |
| 23:15.07 | carols | pmros: projects that don't pass are removed from that list |
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| 23:16.39 | pmros | ok, accepted means succesful |
| 23:20.03 | carols | yes. |
| 23:30.44 | socketguru | carols: is it ok if i register in gsoc with different gmail id and use different gmail id in filling application for an org. |
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| 23:49.55 | pmros | thanks, see you |
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| 23:54.17 | thebolt | morning |
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