IRC log for #gsoc on 20110327

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08:25.40*** topic/#gsoc is Welcome to Google Summer of Code 2011!Mentoring organizations are announced: http://goo.gl/VcRUV. Please read the FAQs - http://goo.gl/Up2Qf and the Timeline - http://goo.gl/0lYPz for more info.
08:25.57rahulCan anyone here help with questions about the new melange UI?
08:26.14|Kev|You can try, or you can try #melange.
08:27.42sonney2kIn the new melange - how do I find the student application templates?
08:27.55rahulWe were previously directing students to our Application Template on our old Organization page, which has now become a dead link. Our new Organization page does not display the Application Template (though the info is still there). How do students find the application templates?
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08:28.10sonney2kI see ojwb's anser
08:28.12ojwbrahul: you can edit the html for your org page, so...
08:28.16sonney2kanswer
08:28.29ojwbbut apparently there another roll out due tomorrow
08:28.39ojwbsee the mail sent about this one...
08:28.51sonney2kwell there is still a field application template in the orga description
08:29.00sonney2kso I hope it will be put to good use
08:30.04dhaunthe application template will be displayed to students when they fill out their application, hence the name :)
08:30.53rahulThe application template is being used to help students already, and so it was useful to have it displayed as it was previously.
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08:31.35rahulojwb: how do it edit the html of the org page?
08:31.53dhaunI understand that but I have no insight as to why it's not displayed any longer - SRabbelier would know
08:32.15sonney2krahul, it is good not to be alone with this :)
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08:42.58Lennieo hi
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08:57.47Ophiuchibeauty is in the eye of the beholder .. I think the new socghop page looks better. We'll see if it can avoid looking as cluttered and overwhelming-at-first-sight when all the missing features are added in :)
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08:59.04LennieOphiuchi: It has its charms
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08:59.10Lennieat least it is 40-60% faster :)
09:02.29ojwbrahul: it's one of the fields on the form
09:03.07Ophiuchiif you find something that pleases everybody, you should probably plan for pilgrimages happening to it, because it'd sure be a miracle ;-P
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09:06.30ojwbrahul: "Description"
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09:08.55rahulojwb: thanks, I know that and it does provide a fix. But, most organizations had already filled out the separate Application Template field (in addition to the Description field). Anyhow, I think it should be fixed soon - it appears as issue 1139 (http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=1139).
09:09.17Lennieplease star it
09:09.26Lennie(if you care)
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09:10.44ojwbrahul: I was just answering the question you asked me: "ojwb: how do it edit the html of the org page?"
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09:52.20DeminemHello everybudy!
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09:52.48DeminemI just want to ask that if someone applying for the postgraduate program and still not get responded from the institution before April 25th, 2011, then would (s)he be eligible to participate in the program by showing his/her undergraduate documents (transcripts and etc) which had been done 2 years back.
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09:54.34|Kev|You must be enrolled or accepted on the 25th April.
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09:55.16LennieI concur with |Kev|
09:55.44dhaunGoogle will probably not ask for proof on April 25, so you may be able to provide that later, but the date itself is fixed
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09:56.30DeminemOkie so it can be asked on later stage and still get some time
09:56.35|Kev|!eligible
09:56.35socinfo|Kev|: "eligible" is Follow this handy flowchart to see if you are eligible http://goo.gl/kvCSv (text version at http://goo.gl/ImfNT)
09:56.47|Kev|!timeline
09:56.47socinfo|Kev|: "timeline" is http://goo.gl/0lYPz
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09:57.42|Kev|So there's not a lot of scope for leaving it until later.
09:57.49traszwhere can I apply to become a mentor?  the previous interface said it didn't work, and with the new one i can't find it at all.
09:58.03LennieThe flow chart is made of win
09:58.07|Kev|trasz: I don't know, that could be part of the next round of updates (today or tomorrow)
09:58.48Lenniehttp://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2011 find your org trasz
09:58.53Lennieand click on it
09:59.00Lennieyou'll see where you need to go from there for now
09:59.46|Kev|Deminem: Basically, unless the student is already accepted by April 8th, it's going to be at best inconvenient for a bunch of people.
10:00.21|Kev|So if the student already knows they're accepted, but doesn't have the paperwork yet, that's probably fine (although they'll need to provide it if they're accepted), but applying without knowing they're going ot be accepted isn't the best.
10:01.22LennieAs the flow chart says, your institution must be able to proof that you were enrolled on the 25th. Which very likely is a letter with university letterhead and signature
10:01.42|Kev|Lennie: Enrolled or accepted to be enrolled later.
10:01.59|Kev|Either way, it'll need  the Uni to be willing to write a letter saying so.
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10:05.23DeminemKev: That's why I'm curious about the April 25th, because I'm not sure that it would be possible to make it before this date but once I'll get enrolled then definitely it will take few business days to request for a letter of evidence.
10:05.58|Kev|Deminem: If you're not yet accepted, then pretty much wait until next year.
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10:06.41ojwbif you apply, get a place for this year, and then have to drop out, you'll probably have problems applying in the future
10:06.58|Kev|If you couldn't provide the docs on time, you'd be likely to a) fail to get any payments b) Cause another student to not be able to have a place c) Disqualify yourself from future programs.
10:07.02|Kev|At aguess.
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10:08.03ojwbmight be simpler if the qualify dates was just the application deadline date
10:08.15ojwbthough I'm sure anyone turning 18 in mid april would disagree
10:08.16DeminemBut as you said that it's all about time, who knows I will going to make it before April 25.
10:09.12traszLennie: 500 server error.
10:09.28traszLennie: no problems until i clicked 'submit'.  ;-)
10:09.31|Kev|Deminem: By applying, you're claiming that you know that on the 25th you'll either be accepted or enrolled.
10:09.50Lenniehehe
10:10.08|Kev|I'd purport that if this isn't the case, it's essentially fraud.
10:10.17LennieI take it you google account starts with the letter 'e' trasz ?
10:10.22Lennieyour*
10:11.23traszLennie: yes.
10:11.33DeminemYeah I'm pretty sure that I will going to make it, or discuss with mentor org about the issue.
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10:11.58Lennietrasz: Fixed it locally, you have to wait for a new version to be up should be somewhere later today
10:12.16traszLennie: ok, thanks :-)
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10:13.22DeminemKev: Is it possible that i can request the letter of evidence from my former university.
10:14.05|Kev|Deminem: Will they certify that you're still enrolled there? If so, yes.
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10:14.55Lennietrasz:  np, you'll run into these things in the upcoming weeks. Scaling your userbase from 5 to 10.000 helps finding things :)
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10:16.00ojwbDeminem: if you aren't still enrolled at the old university on april 25th, that a letter from them isn't going to help
10:16.18ojwbs/that/then
10:16.46ojwbLennie: you could have invited us to break it sooner!
10:17.00DeminemI'm not sure but looking forward to see how things will work fast for postgraduate program.
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10:17.44Lennieojwb: perhaps yes, still doesn't always work out
10:17.49Lennieanyway, I'm off SRabbelier  should be back soon
10:17.51Lennieto help you out
10:17.53|Kev|Lennie: Assuming you're Melangish and would like feedback - I like the new version; my only comment (apart from all chance obviously being bad), is that the 'irc' link is a bit unfortunate if your groupchat mechanism of choice isn't IRC.
10:17.57SRabbelierLennie: how about now :)
10:18.04Lennie:)
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10:18.05|Kev|(e.g. ours is xmpp:jdev@conference.jabber.org?join
10:18.09Lennietime for me to go travel :P
10:18.12SRabbelier|Kev|: it's a http link right?
10:18.18SRabbelier|Kev|: you can make it link to whatever
10:18.23|Kev|It is.
10:18.25SRabbelier|Kev|: or just leave it out
10:18.26ojwbthe facebook and twitter links are a bit unfortunate if you use sites other than facebook and twitter
10:18.34ojwblike, y'know, open source ones
10:18.38|Kev|The label is a graphic saying "IRC" though :)
10:18.40LennieSRabbelier: It should be made a freeform link I'm seeing it doesn't work on our homepage either :P
10:18.54Lennieirc://irc.freenode.org/melange I guess
10:18.56Lennieanyway, bye
10:19.13SRabbelierah, yeah forgot to update ours
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10:33.44SRabbelierojwb: you can make the irc like be "irc://irc.freenode.net/melange" if you want
10:33.57SRabbelierojwb: or you can just make it a link to a page on your website, whichever you prefer
10:34.18ojwbSRabbelier: so the use is correct and the label on the field where you enter it is wrong?
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10:34.46SRabbelierojwb: ah, nvm, I see scorche already answered yoru question
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10:35.14ojwbwell, not entirely
10:35.43ojwbfor now i've changed it to be a link, but if it's then used as text, I'll need to change it again
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10:40.33SRabbelierstumm: thanks for noticing that, the text is now corrected
10:41.01SRabbeliergangil: thank you!
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10:41.58SRabbelierOphiuchi: that will indeed be a challenge
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10:43.03SRabbelierojwb: yes, the help text should be update
10:43.08SRabbelierojwb: any suggestions as to what it should say?
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10:45.51IvanovicSRabbelier: uhm, is it intentional that all formating information that was added to the org description is basically gone?
10:46.07Ivanovichave a look at what eg the wesnoth org description looks like in the new page
10:46.19ojwbSRabbelier: how about "URL for IRC channel (e.g. irc://irc.freenode.net/melange), URL for web page with details, etc." ?
10:46.49ojwband perhaps drop "(and network)"
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10:48.31SRabbelierojwb: sounds good
10:48.42SRabbelierIvanovic: what do you mean?
10:48.52Ivanovicand this "formating removal" also happened to the application form (at least it seems like) which is, uhm, really problematic considering that e had a *huge* form...
10:49.06Ivanovichttp://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/google/gsoc2011/wesnoth
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10:49.24IvanovicSRabbelier: do you see the formating there?
10:49.36SRabbelierIvanovic: that's the description
10:49.45Ivanovicit was meant to look more like this: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SoC_Information_for_Google#Description:
10:49.59SRabbelierIvanovic: you can put in whatever html you want there
10:50.51IvanovicSRabbelier: what i was saying is, that in the old editor the result *looked* like what we had on our wiki, in the new one all the stuff is suddenly "not formated at all anymore"
10:51.07SRabbelierIvanovic: because it's a different field
10:51.19SRabbelierIvanovic: you were previously looking at the "homepage document" on your homepage
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10:51.23SRabbelierIvanovic: now it's just the description
10:51.25Ivanovicbut it is using the text that was added there
10:51.28Ivanovicno, i am not
10:51.34Ivanovichad exactly the same in both docs!
10:51.57Ivanovicthe homepage doc just had an extra line pointing to the ideas page
10:51.58SRabbelierIvanovic: no it's not :P
10:52.03SRabbelierIvanovic: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/profile/organization/google/gsoc2011/wesnoth
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10:52.13SRabbelierIvanovic: see the description field
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10:52.35IvanovicSRabbelier: trust me, i know what i entered in the google application
10:52.52IvanovicSRabbelier: and this description is exactly what i added as org homepage (extra doc!), too
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10:53.09SRabbelierIvanovic: ok, let me put it this way, we did not in any way change the contents of those fields
10:53.11Ivanovicthe only change on the extra homepage was that i added a paragraph about the ideas page since otherwise there would be no such link
10:53.33Ivanovicyou have not changed the content but the formating of the content removing all newlines and stuff like this
10:53.44SRabbeliernow
10:53.46SRabbelierIvanovic: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/edit/gsoc_org/google/gsoc2011/wesnoth/our_gsoc_homepage
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10:53.49Ivanovicsince, while there was no homepage doc, the description would be shown as homepage
10:53.53SRabbeliererr
10:53.59SRabbelierIvanovic: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_org/google/gsoc2011/wesnoth/our_gsoc_homepage
10:54.00MostAwesomeDudeAh, looks like it's that time of the year again. :3
10:54.01Ivanovic"You need to be a program adminstrator to access this page."
10:54.10SRabbelierIvanovic: yeah, sorry, look at the second one
10:54.20IvanovicMostAwesomeDude: exactly
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10:54.32SRabbelierIvanovic: wait, wait, you are saying only _newlines_ are missing?
10:54.47SRabbelierIvanovic: it's looking fine but for the newlines?
10:54.48IvanovicSRabbelier: compare what is there
10:54.51MostAwesomeDudeIvanovic: Hm? I'm just thinking that I need to start idling in here again.
10:54.58Ivanovicnot just newlines, but *also* newlines
10:55.02MostAwesomeDudeAnd also that it's time to do the Melange dance again.
10:55.19IvanovicIIRC i also did the formating changes to the description box with the list and whatnot stuff
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10:55.56SRabbelierIvanovic: I've added the content from that document to your description
10:56.23SRabbelierIvanovic: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/google/gsoc2011/wesnoth#
10:56.30Ivanovicah, thanks
10:56.49Ivanovicis there a way to see what the students will see as application template?
10:56.55SRabbelierIvanovic: I know now though, last year we converted newlines in the Description to <brs>
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10:57.04SRabbelierIvanovic: yeah, I'll add that today I THink
10:57.09Ivanovicsince with the missing newlines the version available on the ord edit page is not userfriendly
10:57.11Ivanovic;)
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10:59.25Ivanovichow are things supposed to work when application time opens tomorrow? i mean regarding "where to see the list of project proposals" and stuff like this?
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11:03.53SRabbelierIvanovic: on yout dashboard
11:04.04IvanovicSRabbelier: hmm, okay
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11:35.26rrixHow do I add mentors to the new melange?
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11:36.05Nightroserrix: you don't yet i think
11:36.13rrixhum, okie
11:36.15Nightrosestill being worked on
11:36.19rrixRight on
11:36.33rrixstudents will be able to submit, tomorrow, right? ;)
11:36.42rrixhmm, 4;20 am
11:36.50ojwbthere's another UI rollout tomorrow the mail said
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11:37.17MichituxI think rather today, but I'm not sure
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11:37.34rrixAh, I didn't see any maill
11:37.46rrixI'm just going to go to sleep before I say more silly things, then :)
11:37.56rrixI trust google to Make Awesome happen
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11:38.17ojwbit was to the mentors list
11:38.25ojwbat least I assume it was
11:39.03ojwbyes it was: [Announce] New Melange UI launched
11:39.04rrixRight, it was
11:39.13rrixdoesn't have filter for that list yet
11:39.14marcellu1Can anyone give me the link to apply? google-melange was changed yesterday and the link from the mentor organisation is broken.
11:39.22rrixlol
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11:39.49ojwbmarcellu1: students can't apply yet; mentor signup isn't back yet either
11:40.05rrixhugs ojwb and climbs in to his bed
11:40.06rrixgood night!
11:40.15ojwbtucks rrix in
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11:47.26raincole__How can I find my link_id?
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11:53.38SRabbelierojwb: mentors can apply though
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11:55.33ojwbSRabbelier: oh, sorry, I must have misinterpreted something someone said earlier
11:55.58SRabbelierojwb: they can apply only, the admins just can't see/accept the application
11:56.36ojwbok
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12:01.19raincole__Where can I find my LinkID? I forget it.
12:03.53raincole__I can't see the "My Profile" and "My dashboard" on the left side of GsoC page
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12:07.15gremmachookIs the dashboard option after logging in available for students?
12:07.33SRabbeliergremmachook: sure
12:08.02gremmachookSRabbelier, Where do you have to register? I don't see it. I logged into the melange site using my GMail.
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12:08.24SRabbeliergremmachook: studen'ts can't apply/register yet
12:08.27SRabbeliergremmachook: that's tomorrow
12:08.28SRabbelier!timeline
12:08.29socinfoSRabbelier: "timeline" is http://goo.gl/0lYPz
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12:08.51gremmachookSRabbelier, I understand, but can you see the link atleast?
12:08.55SRabbelier!forget timeline
12:08.56socinfoSRabbelier: The operation succeeded.
12:08.59SRabbelier!learn timeline as http://goo.gl/PFsjs
12:08.59socinfoSRabbelier: The operation succeeded.
12:08.59gremmachookFor students that is.
12:09.21SRabbeliergremmachook: what link do you mean?
12:09.29gremmachookThe Dashboard one.
12:09.30raincole__"My Dashboard"
12:09.38mcfosseySRabbelier: is there a way for students to see their link id?
12:09.53SRabbeliermcfossey: ah, not atm, I'll add it to the dashboard and profile page
12:10.01ConfusedVorlonhi folks - trying to register as a mentor. I'm getting a response 'data saved' and 'you have to register as a student'. I can't find any register links on the melange site. Can someone point me in the right direction?
12:10.19mcfosseySRabbelier: thanks that would be great
12:10.33SRabbelierConfusedVorlon: the link should no longer say "student"
12:10.36SRabbelierConfusedVorlon: can you verify that?
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12:26.48varunvyas11if a mentor does not have a irc nick i.e. he does not come on irc , could he be mailed directly, should i mail him
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12:27.55ConfusedVorlonSRabbelier - I'm not sure we are talking about the same page. I see 'Before you can apply to be a mentor in Google Summer of Code, you must register.' but there is no link
12:28.15SRabbelierConfusedVorlon: you're on the register page if you see that text :P
12:28.19ConfusedVorlonso - I guess you got rid of student!
12:28.27voltonvarunvyas11: your should absolutely mail him
12:29.33ConfusedVorlonSrabellier: I started on the 'register as a mentor' page. I fill in the (long) form and click submit. That then sends me to the 'register as a mentor' page and says I have to register!
12:29.53ConfusedVorlonSRabbelier: are there two 'register as a mentor' pages?
12:30.09SRabbelierConfusedVorlon: please send screenshots
12:30.27SRabbelierConfusedVorlon: I recommend http://awesomescreenshot.com/
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12:31.40varunvyas11volton : thanks
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12:33.26skbohra__varunvyas11: try asking on the project's irc channel if the said person is frequent on irc or not
12:33.30NightroseSRabbelier: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2011 <- any reason why the orgs listed there are there and others not?
12:33.36Nightroseseems kind of arbitrary
12:33.40SRabbelierNightrose: it is
12:33.45SRabbelierNightrose: there's an issue for it
12:33.48Nightroseok
12:34.10SRabbeliermutters about bloody jealous orgs
12:34.15Nightroselol
12:34.20Nightrosewell
12:34.24SRabbelieryou figured we're all grown up enough :P
12:34.33SRabbelierhttp://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=1135
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12:37.05varunvyas11skbohra__: ok, i will try. i haven't tried till now because no one is online there in that channel for a long time now
12:37.12Nightroseand sorry for appearing jealous here but since number of applications are something that is part of the slot allocation i am indeed a bit concerned
12:37.40Nightrosenot just for my org
12:37.47SRabbelierNightrose: actually, that's really not as important as you think
12:37.52Nightroseok
12:37.54Nightrosefair enough
12:38.38SRabbelierNightrose: if we do randomize it though
12:38.44SRabbelierNightrose: I assume that objection goes away?
12:39.02Nightroseif the "read more" text is changed as well yes
12:39.09Nightroseright now it seems only 5 orgs are taking part
12:39.09skbohra__KDE has always been hot favorite among students ;)
12:39.25Nightroseskbohra__: yes and i work my ass of to keep it that way ;-)
12:39.29ojwbit did strike me as favouritism too fwiw
12:40.09skbohra__Nightrose: we know that, you are one of the most active gsoc admin
12:40.25SRabbelierojwb: blame EchoDitto :P
12:40.32skbohra__I guess it was just a design decision went wrong
12:40.59SRabbelierskbohra__: I like it, even if Melange wasn't there
12:41.01Nightroseskbohra__: heh it isn't so much about competing with others really - i want our students to have a great summer and an experience that means something to them
12:41.05Nightrosethe rest follows i guess
12:41.06ThomasWaldmannhmm, the soc site looks pretty now, but a bit simple...
12:41.33Nightrosesimple is good in this case
12:41.37Nightroseimho
12:41.57SRabbelierThomasWaldmann: that's the idea, yeah?
12:42.00ThomasWaldmannwell, as long as you find stuff that is supposed to be there :)
12:42.31ThomasWaldmanne.g. where is the org's mentor list? invite a mentor, etc.?
12:43.24SRabbelierThomasWaldmann: deploying that today
12:43.30SRabbelierif you people will let me get any work done
12:43.33skbohra__but I am still not sure, which url to point students to, google-melange.com or socghop.appspot.com or code.google.com/soc
12:43.35SRabbelier*grins*
12:43.43SRabbelierskbohra__: the first one
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12:43.45ThomasWaldmannhehe, ok :)
12:43.47Nightrosehands SRabbelier a cookie
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12:43.57SRabbelierskbohra__: the second one might work if they're in some weird country that blocks some Google ips
12:44.07SRabbelierskbohra__: the third one is useless to them and should become a redirect IMHO
12:44.12SRabbelierbut that's not my call
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12:45.08skbohra__my favorite is third one :) google-melange.com doesn't look like it's related to gsoc if you don't know what is melange
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12:46.18ojwbat least the first has google in the name - socghop.appspot.com has no clear link to google
12:46.41skbohra__ha ha
12:46.41SRabbelierojwb: which is why we're advertising the former, even though it's the same as the second :)
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12:47.17skbohra__google-gsoc.com ?
12:47.38SRabbelierskbohra__: we're not changing again :P
12:47.46SRabbelierskbohra__: besides, it'll also serve gci
12:47.51ojwbgoogle-bikeshed.com?
12:47.52SRabbelierskbohra__: so it needs to be program neutral
12:47.59SRabbelierojwb: YES
12:48.00skbohra__i thought so
12:48.03ThomasWaldmanngoogle-coolstuff.com :)
12:48.23skbohra__but it surely could be better
12:48.40mayanks43previous projects visible now!!
12:49.24akashm1990why not gsoc.google.com
12:49.28akashm1990and gci.google.com
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12:50.04Nightrosejust noticed: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2011 lists the linux foundation first while the rest seems to be in alphabetical order
12:50.14Nightroseif a bug is needed i can file one
12:50.20ojwbNightrose: it puts a different random one first each time
12:50.24ojwbI assumed deliberately
12:50.34Nightroseohh interesting
12:50.37ojwbso apertium don't get all the glory!
12:50.41Nightroseit's been linux foundation twice for me
12:50.48akashm1990Nightrose: Not for me
12:50.52Nightrosehehe ok - fair enough then
12:50.54skbohra__same here
12:50.58akashm1990its in alphabetical order only
12:51.02mayanks43abiword @ ojwb
12:51.14ojwbhmm
12:51.23ojwbapertium were second for me last time
12:51.27Nightrosehmm no linux foundation again here
12:51.52ThomasWaldmanncookies.google.com :D
12:52.15ojwbcse_tuwien, then apertium
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12:52.35SRabbelierNightrose, ojwb: I think it is alphabetical, just takes a while ot load all results
12:52.49ojwbreload and I get netbsd first, then apertium
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12:53.01NightroseSRabbelier: it seems to have finished loading
12:53.04ojwbSRabbelier: it's definitely not showing signs of still loading
12:53.07Nightroseat least i don't get a loading thingy
12:53.22ojwbalso seems to think there are 171 orgs
12:53.33Nightroseindeed here too
12:53.47SRabbelierweird
12:53.53SRabbeliermaybe it's not sorted after all
12:53.54SRabbelierdunno
12:54.03ojwbit's sorted apart from the first
12:54.15ojwbthough abiword isn't there, so I guess it's swapped them?
12:54.31Nightroseno there are sorting errors further down the list here as well
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12:54.32ojwbsorted by linkid I think
12:54.44ojwbNightrose: is that just linkid vs name?
12:54.57SRabbelierojwb: sounds likely
12:55.04Nightroseojwb: in those cases indeed
12:55.07Nightrosenot for linux foundation
12:55.22ojwbNightrose: apart from the first I mean
12:55.26Nightroseyeah
12:55.30Nightroseoff-by-one?
12:55.30Nightrose:D
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12:56.34Nightroseok - enough melange testing for today - on to thesis writing
12:56.36Nightroselaters :)
12:58.01ojwbhave fun
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13:26.59Ophiuchire the sorting: it seems to sort for nickname, not official name (so The NetBSD Foundation is netbsd -> n not t
13:27.04Ophiuchi)
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13:27.29ojwbOphiuchi: that doesn't explain why it appears before those starting with a though
13:27.41ojwbor why you randomly get different orgs there
13:28.29Ophiuchiin other news, the picture going with the "mentor sign up" button illustrates quite well how much of a monoculture OSS is.
13:29.26Ophiuchiojwb: hm, seemed stable for me, but I didn't close my browser in between
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13:30.48ojwbOphiuchi: if you see the discussion above, that's not true for everyone, and different people see different orgs first too
13:31.18SRabbelierojwb: Madhu is fixing the sort order
13:31.58NightroseOphiuchi: where do you see the mentor sign-up button?
13:32.39Nightroseah nvm
13:33.23OphiuchiNightrose: just look at the start page of a different org
13:33.33NightroseOphiuchi: just did :D
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13:34.28OphiuchiI just hope that doesn't keep students that aren't white males from applying, or it's never going to change
13:35.23SRabbelierOphiuchi: say what now?
13:36.24ojwbindia and china tend to dominate applications, so i doubt it
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13:37.12akashm1990ojwb: arent max applications from US?
13:37.36ojwbmy recollection was india submitted most last year
13:37.47ojwbthough it may have been different for accepted ones
13:39.34ojwbakashm1990: ah you're right, it's india after us
13:40.02akashm1990ojwb: did you find the link to the stats page? I had it, but lost it..
13:40.08ojwbat least for 2008: http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2008/04/two-top-10s-for-google-summer-of-code.html
13:40.50akashm1990selection percentage seems to be lower for India than US
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13:42.12Ophiuchiif a merlish and a NOTmerlish meet, do you get spontanous annihilationm and a lot of radiation?
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13:42.47merlishno, but we get a terrible headache if we're in the same room
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13:44.23dotnickOphiuchi: that would be antimerlish, different person I guess.
13:45.29merlishyour rhetoric is nonetheless greatly appreciated in these trying times
13:47.42koda|gsochey the melange site is up again! yay
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13:49.52dotnickHow do you explain Gsoc to someone that never heard of OSS before?
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13:50.29koda|gsocbut the page for inviting mentors/admins is sill hidden :(
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13:51.12SRabbelierkoda|gsoc: correct
13:51.17SRabbelierkoda|gsoc: working on it
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13:52.03koda|gsocok that's cool :)
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13:53.06bouderm, after entering all my contact details yet again in my mentor profile, where can I apply for joining an organization?
13:53.18SRabbelierboud: on their homepage?
13:53.19Nightroseboud: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/google/gsoc2011/kde
13:53.50boudI was looking for a handy link or so on the page I got after filling in all the details
13:54.18boudbut got it now, thanks :-)
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14:09.45SRabbelierboud: adding a "apply" link to the profile page
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14:12.04boudSRabbelier: wonderful!
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14:12.30hartemHi
14:12.50hartemcould anyone please help me to find the missing organization profile information?
14:13.05harteme.g. application template, contact details, etc.
14:14.09mmadiafor which org, hartem?
14:14.16hartemcernvm
14:14.51mmadiado you mean : http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/google/gsoc2011/cernvm ?
14:14.59hartemyes
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14:15.33mmadiatheir "Ideas page:" link seems to link to a general gsoc page
14:16.19hartemideas page works fine for me
14:16.25hartemactually I am cernvm org. admin
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14:17.19hartemI wanted to point one of our students to our application template (which I have added to our melange page), but the template seems to be missing now
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14:18.01mmadiait may be possibly due to http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=1139
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14:19.22hartemgood to know that the issue has been acknowledged, thank you
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14:19.49TorneI just tried to register as a mentor and i get a 500 Internal Server Error after i submit the form
14:20.02rishidotnick: Paid contract work?
14:20.02SRabbelierharlan: working on it
14:20.08SRabbelierharlan: will be adding it today
14:20.26mmadiahartem, you should update cernvm's public mailing list and public irc channel text.
14:20.37mmadiahttp://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/google/gsoc2011/cernvm-talk@cern.ch     ,   http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/google/gsoc2011/Unfortunately%20the%20use%20of%20IRC%20is%20restricted%20at%20CERN.%20See%20Jabber/XMPP%20chat%20room%20details%20on%20our%20ideas%20page.
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14:21.53hartembummer
14:22.22hartemwe used to have a couple of sentences saying that we want students to use jabber instead of irc
14:22.59mmadiamaybe a web based jabber client,  http://jwchat.org/ can be autodirected to your jabber room?
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14:24.19MatekmHello!
14:25.03SRabbelierhartem: if you can give us an icon for Jabber we can probably add it ;)
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14:29.11Jeff_Snew melange looks great, thanks to everyone who helped
14:29.31SRabbelierJeff_S: thank you!
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14:29.46Jeff_S:)
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14:39.13Arif0605066hi
14:39.14hartemSRabbelier: I'll send you the icon
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14:42.37Arif0605066hi need source code of "ascend"..can anyone give me the link?
14:43.09gevaerts!gsoc
14:43.09socinfogevaerts: "gsoc" is Google Summer of Code, not Generic Savoir-faire on Open-source Conundrums
14:44.21SRabbelierhartem: can you attach it to the issue?
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14:52.52hartemSRabbelier: the icon is ready, could you please send me the issue link?
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14:53.43mmadia!bug
14:53.44socinfommadia: "bug" is file melange feature requests & bugs at http://tinyurl.com/new-issue
14:54.25hartemmmadia: are you sure that I should create a new bug report?
14:54.27SRabbeliermmadia: there's an existing issue though
14:54.34hartem:)
14:55.01SRabbelierharlan: you can add it to this one: http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=1141
14:55.29hartemSRabbelier: OK, I will
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14:57.58SITZ!next
14:57.58socinfoSITZ: "next" is March 18-27: Would-be student participants discuss application ideas with mentoring organizations.
14:58.03SITZ!timeline
14:58.03socinfoSITZ: "timeline" is http://goo.gl/PFsjs
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15:11.39shahriman!next
15:11.39socinfoshahriman: "next" is March 18-27: Would-be student participants discuss application ideas with mentoring organizations.
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15:23.57Anunay1students are generally advised to submit the proposals as soon as possible but i am having some problem and cant submit untill 2 April will that be  a very big problem
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15:24.49SRabbelierAnunay: can't you submit your proposal to the orgs mailing list now?
15:25.02MichituxAnunay1: you might get less feedback. have a look at http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforStudents#Writing_Your_Application
15:25.25Myth17what if your not very sure about how certain parts of your project will be implemented? how to put that up in the application?
15:25.51IvanovicMyth17: you talk to the org
15:25.57IvanovicMyth17: and during doing so, it will evolve
15:26.14Ivanovicthe final version can differ significantly from the initial proposal, this is normal
15:26.50Myth17Ivanovic, wont it be a bad impression on the people?
15:26.56Ivanovicno
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15:27.07Ivanovicit is normal that it evolves over time
15:27.28Ivanovicand the orgs people seeing how you finetune your initial idea and how you take feedback is in fact *positive*
15:27.31Myth17hmm...i would definitely put in my ideas the way i see them working then
15:27.54Myth17ahh..great! :)
15:28.14Michitux"All the successful applications for Thousand Parsec had at least 3 revisions before the final deadline" (quoting the page I've linked to)
15:28.14Ivanovicyou should consider that you often don't know the project as good, as the mentors do, so it would be surprising if you knew about all possible problems
15:28.45Anunayya
15:29.24IvanovicAnunay: the idea of "submit early" is that you get feedback from the org earlie and are able to adapt to recommendations
15:29.52Myth17Michitux, how do they evalauate students finally then and decide which student suIts the best? if every student's application gets modified.
15:30.11Ivanovic(and it is all about making sure that you don't have a perfect proposal but due to some "strange issue" miss the application deadline (which is a hard deadline, 1min too late and you are *not* participating in gsoc!)
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15:30.21MichituxMyth17: the applications can't be modified anymore after the application deadline
15:30.24IvanovicMyth17: they judge by the end
15:30.46IvanovicMichitux: not correct, you can leave comments which can contain large changes
15:31.00Myth17yup, i understand that but in the end with the help of the community every student will come up to the same level
15:31.02IvanovicMyth17: the orgs judge at some point of time to the best of their knowledge
15:31.03MichituxIvanovic: well, okay, but not to the content of the application if I'm right
15:31.14Ivanovicand it is by far more than the students proposal that is judged
15:31.32Ivanovicthe students interactions with the project are by far more important than the plain proposal
15:32.08hartem!numbers
15:32.42Ophiuchispeaking for my org, but assuming that it's not much different for others: projects are collaborative efforts, and seeing that a student communicates well is almost as important as that they know the programming language the code is to be written in.
15:32.42hartem!stats
15:32.42socinfohartem: I have 1 registered users with 0 registered hostmasks; 1 owner and 0 admins.
15:33.05IvanovicOphiuchi: yeah
15:33.23hartemwhat was the command to see the number of applied/accepted orgs
15:33.25hartem?
15:33.32gevaerts!numbers
15:33.36gevaertsnot that
15:33.43Ophiuchi!appstats
15:33.50gevaerts!numapps
15:33.51socinfogevaerts: "numapps" is 417 mentoring orgs applied and 175 were accepted this year. In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and 151 were accepted; 5539 proposals were submitted by 3464 students, and 1026 were accepted
15:33.54Ivanovicthe project itself just outlines the ideas and gives a rough schedule of what is planned to be done when (remember, there has to be some judging mid term and at the end if the student is successful)
15:33.56gevaertsYay!
15:33.58Ophiuchialmost :)
15:34.06Ivanovics/project/project proposal
15:34.20SRabbelierharlan: thanks for the icon
15:34.30hartemSRabbelier: yw :)
15:34.39hartem!appstats
15:34.49SRabbelier!numapps
15:34.50socinfoSRabbelier: "numapps" is 417 mentoring orgs applied and 175 were accepted this year. In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and 151 were accepted; 5539 proposals were submitted by 3464 students, and 1026 were accepted
15:34.50SRabbelier?
15:35.13hartemthanks
15:35.35Myth17If a student applies for a specific idea and another student proposes to complete two ideas in the summer, does that affect your chances of getting chosen. I see this happening and I want to focus my energy on the soul topic of my interest.
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15:36.20SRabbelierMyth17: ask your org
15:37.22Myth17SRabbelier, hmm...but do you have any opinions on this?
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15:37.46IvanovicMyth17: the orgs know what makes sense and what is too ambitous
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15:37.56dhaunstudents proposing to complete 2 ideas are probably underestimating things a but
15:37.59dhaun*bit
15:38.05IvanovicMyth17: your org should tell you in both cases, not enough as well as too much
15:38.21Ivanovic(and implementing two complete project ideas is usually not possible in the given timeframe)
15:39.02Myth17Ivanovic, even i believe so, being an undergrad i am not sure if people doing their post-grad or so can manage.
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15:40.26OphiuchiI thught the question was really "if I send in 2 applications and another send in one application for a project I also applied, what will happen" .. well, first likely check is "is that project likely to finish successfully?", much later comes "pick projects so we can avoind running the same project twice"
15:40.35Ophiuchiavoid
15:41.07Ophiuchiand s/thught/thought/
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15:51.02ConfusedVorlonSRabbelier: sorry - had to go away for a few hours. About that problem registering as a mentor. This is the page I'm trying to register at: http://awesomescreenshot.com/0a9a74dac
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15:51.29SRabbelierConfusedVorlon: right, now hit submit on that page
15:51.36ConfusedVorlonSRabbelier: then I am redirected to this: http://awesomescreenshot.com/005a74gd3
15:52.09SRabbelierConfusedVorlon: huh
15:52.13SRabbelierConfusedVorlon: what's the url of the second page?
15:52.20ConfusedVorlonhttp://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/profile/mentor/google/gsoc2011?org=videolan#
15:52.57SRabbelierConfusedVorlon: and the first page?
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15:53.15ConfusedVorlonSRabbelier: https://www.google.com/accounts/ServiceLogin?service=ah&passive=true&continue=https://appengine.google.com/_ah/conflogin%3Fcontinue%3Dhttp://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/profile/mentor/google/gsoc2011%253Forg%253Dvideolan&ltmpl=&sig=e55b9f7ca712e69f14a3418cede0fd9c
15:53.57SRabbelierConfusedVorlon: err, that's the login url :P
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15:54.37ConfusedVorlonSRabbelier: that's what chrome is showing. It certainly isn't the url I originally entered...
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15:54.59SRabbelierConfusedVorlon: so can you try to submit that form?
15:55.00ConfusedVorlonSRabbelier: perhaps a simpler question. Where _should_ I register to become a mentor
15:55.13SRabbelierConfusedVorlon: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/profile/mentor/google/gsoc2011?org=videolan is the correct url
15:55.28ConfusedVorlonSRabbelelier: that's certainly where I started off...
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15:56.01SRabbelierConfusedVorlon: so, try going to that url, filling out the form, hitting submit :P
15:56.04SRabbelierConfusedVorlon: see what happens
15:56.34ConfusedVorlonSRabbelelier: I'll try again. It now looks somewhat different - It says before you can apply to be a mentor, you must register. Is that the reg form - or should I click through to the 'you can now apply to GSOC'
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15:56.50SRabbelierConfusedVorlon: that means you're registered
15:56.52SRabbelierConfusedVorlon: you can click apply now
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15:57.07ConfusedVorlonSRabbelier: ok - will try it again
15:57.11LetterRiphi all, the contact parts of this page seem broken
15:57.12LetterRiphttp://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/org/google/gsoc2011/blender
15:57.25SRabbelierLetterRip: tell the blender peepz
15:57.40LetterRipSRabbelier: i am the blender peeps :)
15:57.48SRabbelierLetterRip: so, fix it!
15:57.51LetterRipit appears to be some flaw of melange
15:57.56SRabbelierLetterRip: add a mailto: if that's what you want :P
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16:02.12ConfusedVorlonSRabbelier: so does this mean I have succeeded, failed, or am part way there?  http://awesomescreenshot.com/098a75625
16:02.35SRabbelierConfusedVorlon: means you can now click the 'apply' link :P
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16:04.11hiemanshuso why isnt the application template of orgs visible? I was planning to start working on the apps now
16:05.04ConfusedVorlonSRabbelier: so the process is - 1) register 2) register as a mentor 3) apply to be a mentor ?   with section 1 & 2 taking the same data?
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16:07.12SRabbelierConfusedVorlon: no
16:07.18SRabbelierConfusedVorlon: step 1 was somehow borked for you
16:07.38SRabbelierConfusedVorlon: that is, the process is 1) register as a mentor once, 2) apply to be a mentor to each of the org you want ot mentor
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16:09.37ConfusedVorlonSRabbelier: looks like I'm in now anyway. Thanks for your help.
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16:10.20SRabbelierConfusedVorlon: sorry for the borked process
16:11.23thiago_homeit's still a lot easier than in 2005
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16:13.41SRabbelierthiago_home: awr, thanks ^^
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16:18.31rahulbhatnagaruhhh
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16:18.47rahulbhatnagarmy nick is ralbhat
16:18.49rahulbhatnagarany help?
16:18.59rahulbhatnagari'm sad with IRC, i know :/
16:19.09thiago_homeyour melange account?
16:19.15rahulbhatnagaryeah
16:19.16rahulbhatnagarno
16:19.20rahulbhatnagarmy IRC nick
16:19.22rahulbhatnagarat freenode
16:19.37hiemanshurahulbhatnagar: try #freenode
16:19.38blast007try #freenode
16:19.46rahulbhatnagark
16:19.48rahulbhatnagarthnx :)
16:20.20svaksharahulbhatnagar: if you know the password to the other account just do "/msg nickserv set accountname <nick>
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16:22.59ralbhatthanks, svaksha
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16:51.31SRabbelierharlan: so atm there's no jabber field right?
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16:53.07socinfoakashm1990: "timeline" is http://goo.gl/PFsjs
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16:55.07akashm199027 hours for applications to open ..
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16:56.52Ophiuchiwouldn't it be a lot easier to take an icon that says "chat" instead of "irc" for the contact box, instead of doing an extra field for every chat protocol under the sun? :)
16:57.53SRabbelierOphiuchi: now there's an idea
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17:00.26SRabbelierharlan: how does that sound to you?
17:01.06raincole__The google's book(http://www.booki.cc/gsocstudentguide/_v/1.0/writing-a-proposal/) says
17:01.20raincole__a proposal includes contact information
17:01.45raincole__but it's examples don't
17:02.36raincole__should I mention phone number and address when writing my proposal?
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17:03.12ralbhatraincole__ : organisations clearly mention the information they expect from you right away
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17:03.40ralbhatit's usually in the form of a template, for the time being, that should be sufficient
17:03.48Ophiuchiraincole__: for my project, I want email address and possibly chat nickname if the student hangs out on Freenode anyway, but only ask for a telephone number when they are accepted, and don't make that in any way public.
17:04.05raincole__I asked my mentor, but they said
17:04.15raincole__<mcfossey> raincole_: we don't require anything special so you can follow the guide. :) We have a form that you can use to submit your contact
17:04.26_sagithe ideas page of Gnome doesnt mention names of the mentor and any contact. How to contact the mentors of various project
17:04.35Ophiuchi(they get mine in return, in case their Internet connectivity burns down and they need to tell someone)
17:04.39raincole__then give me a link to fill my contact
17:05.30raincole__so I just want to know if the contact in proposal is google's policy
17:05.38Ophiuchisagi: it may be that the mentor is not nailed down yet. Do they give the appropriate mailing list for that project?
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17:06.39Ophiuchiraincole__: if your proposal is unclear in some point, do you prefer if the orgs people can contact you to ask, or just don't pick your project? :)
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17:07.56_sagino there is nothing like mailing lists for individual projects. They have just provided main gnome mailing list thats all . What should i do if i want to work in any one project as a student.
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17:08.03raincole__but I'm in a different country, I don't consider the postal address(not e-mail) useful..
17:08.36raincole__I will write my e-mail and IRC nickname, of course
17:09.09raincole__(and in fact, I don't know how to write my postal address in English!)
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17:09.33Ophiuchi_sagi: mail that mailing list and state your interest and ask your questions. put a marker in your subject so it's clear it's about GSoC
17:10.36_sagiGuidelines provided by gsoc advices us to talk to the mentor prior to the proposal. So should i mail them that i am particularly interested in some project.
17:11.48Ophiuchiraincole__: ah I see, that's the "make my Google account for GSoC" not "write the application for the org with the orgs template"
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17:12.21Ophiuchiraincole__: totally different matter. Google needs to know where to send t-shirt and remuneration :)
17:13.51dukeletoi heard that Google is sending GSoC socks this year, instead of t-shirts...
17:14.01raincole__Ophiuchi: oh, thanks
17:14.13Ophiuchidukeleto: that would be a change
17:14.31raincole__Is it truth?
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17:14.48Ophiuchibtw, I assume last years shirts should all have arrived by now?
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18:15.34socinfoSITZ: "timeline" is http://goo.gl/PFsjs
18:17.32zamN!commands
18:17.34zamN!help
18:17.34socinfozamN: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
18:17.41zamN!help list
18:17.41socinfozamN: (list [--private] [<plugin>]) -- Lists the commands available in the given plugin. If no plugin is given, lists the public plugins available. If --private is given, lists the private plugins.
18:17.52zamN!help list gsoc
18:17.52socinfozamN: Error: There is no command "list gsoc".
18:17.54zamN:(
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18:45.59SITZapplications start today,  right ?
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18:46.10|Kev|!next
18:46.10socinfo|Kev|: "next" is March 18-27: Would-be student participants discuss application ideas with mentoring organizations.
18:46.26|Kev|Oh, that's not terribly helpful
18:46.28|Kev|!timeline
18:46.28socinfo|Kev|: "timeline" is http://goo.gl/PFsjs
18:46.53SITZI can't see the list of orgs that were availabe there before this new interface for gsoc ?
18:47.16|Kev|!learn next as March 28 1900UTC Student application period opens.
18:47.16socinfo|Kev|: The operation succeeded.
18:47.19|Kev|!next
18:47.19socinfo|Kev|: "next" is (#1) March 18-27: Would-be student participants discuss application ideas with mentoring organizations., or (#2) March 28 1900UTC Student application period opens.
18:47.24|Kev|!forget next 1
18:47.24socinfo|Kev|: The operation succeeded.
18:47.26|Kev|!next
18:47.26socinfo|Kev|: "next" is March 28 1900UTC Student application period opens.
18:47.28|Kev|There you go.
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18:47.58SITZbut, from where will be able to submit ?
18:48.07|Kev|The list of orgs is still there
18:48.23SITZNeither can I find the list of orgs available... nor, can I find the application interface ?
18:48.32SITZcan you tell me, where ?
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18:49.30|Kev|See above, the applications aren't open yet
18:49.40|Kev|And the org list is linked from the homepage.
18:49.55SITZoh.. noob questions
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18:50.04tdomhanhelp
18:50.17tdomhansry wrong window :/
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18:52.05SITZ|Kev|: list is empty ?
18:52.16|Kev|Wait a few seconds for it to load.
18:52.29SITZthe list above on the info bar.. is linked to empty list :|
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18:53.00|Kev|Unless you have javascript turned off in your browser or similar, it should load in a couple of seconds.
18:53.18rams_panduis there any template for application for gsoc?
18:53.31SITZ|Kev|: it used to open before, today, not opening ?
18:53.40skbohra__rams_pandu: that's organizaton specific
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18:54.14rams_panduskbohra__, yeah, I knew that. I am asking if any one can link me if gnome has one
18:54.33skbohra__ok
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19:02.31SITZ!next
19:02.31socinfoSITZ: "next" is March 28 1900UTC Student application period opens.
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19:02.51thiago_home24 hours to go
19:03.34Dokemdid google just change the gsoc website?
19:03.45thiago_homeyes
19:03.49SITZDokem: yeah.. they changed the interface
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19:04.21SRabbelierDokem: you noticed?
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19:05.03dberkholz|mobSRabbelier: When's the mobile interface coming? =)
19:05.18Dokemwell i am just asking because none of the links in the FAQ match u
19:05.23Dokem*up
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19:05.31SRabbelierdberkholz: f5u12 man, :P
19:05.41SRabbelierDokem: good point
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19:07.16Dokemok one more question:
19:07.51DokemIf im in high school and ive been accepted to a university im eligible right?
19:08.05gevaerts!eligible
19:08.05socinfogevaerts: "eligible" is Follow this handy flowchart to see if you are eligible http://goo.gl/kvCSv (text version at http://goo.gl/ImfNT)
19:08.28gevaertsDokem: ^
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19:11.31Dokemhmmm still not sure...
19:11.48DokemI'll have to look further into this
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19:17.30Dokemok i have a student ID with the school, so it seems like that counts.
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19:28.48zamNah, nevermind its working now
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19:32.33aj_hey'all ..nebody here contributing to Drizzle?
19:33.30SRabbelier!anyone
19:33.31socinfoSRabbelier: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. Try searching for the org's contact info or even just try a /join #<mentoring org here>
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19:43.58dberkholz|mobSRabbelier: Does the timeline circle go counterclockwise or is it just me? Seems counterintuitive...
19:44.12SRabbelierdberkholz|mob: that's how it rolls
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19:45.33dberkholz|mobIs that how people do it where you're from? I've never seen a time-circle go that way before
19:46.26gevaertsI've seen clocks going both ways
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21:31.11bkgoodrobbyoconnor: are you applying to be a student this year?
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21:37.55robbyoconnorbkgood: No
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21:40.17yeswanthdo we have to submit the application directly to google or submit to mentoring organization first and get feedback and finally to google?
21:40.42thiago_homethe student application?
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21:41.28yeswanththiago_home: yes
21:41.48thiago_homeyou should talk to the organisation
21:41.53thiago_homeyou must submit it in the interface
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21:50.22alfonsohi everyone :)
21:57.34alfonsoI was wondering... a few days ago (3 or 4 I believe) I saw in the list of mentoring organizations Processing, however, I now looked again at the list, and it isn't in it anymore
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21:58.15alfonsoDoes anyone know what may have happened? Maybe an error, or that they decided to leave the program early?
21:58.29alfonsoI was really intereseted in colaborating with them :(
21:58.44gevaertshm, right. The list only has 171 names instead of 175...
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22:00.14alfonsomaybe they decided to drop at the last minute?
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22:10.34atagarhm, has anyone figured out how to add more org admins with the new interface or is that functionality still disabled?
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22:18.23SRabbelieratagar: deploying that functionality once I have the go-ahead from the rest of the team
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22:20.06alfskiHi. After the Melange refresh, where did the, per organisation, "Application Template" for students go?
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22:20.31SRabbelieralfski: well bother, I was going to add that today, but haven't yet
22:20.41SRabbelieralfski: there you went ahead and delayed the release by at least 10 minutes :P
22:21.13vh4x0rIs there an application template for students ?
22:21.18zamN_panizyes
22:21.20zamN_panizits in the FAQ
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22:23.05vh4x0rwhile declaring the timeline in the proposal, what happens if one cannot stickk to it accurately ?
22:23.31vh4x0rit's virtually impossible to declare a timeline before starting coding :(
22:23.59SRabbeliervh4x0r: you get quartered
22:24.00mlankhorstjust so you know what has to be done ;p
22:24.11Ophiuchivh4x0r: some dates (like the midterm and final reviews) are fixed, others are open for negotiation. You have exams during GSoC?
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22:24.42vh4x0rOphiuchi, yes, during the first week, but vacations after that !
22:27.08Ophiuchivh4x0r: just tell the org you're picking about such things, most will understand that school is your primary job (:
22:31.10vh4x0rWhat time does the student application start ?
22:31.25vh4x0rIs there an advantage to submitting the application earlier ?
22:31.43SRabbelieralfski: what org?
22:32.05Ophiuchivh4x0r: only that you won't miss the deadline that way :-P
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22:34.09otibomHi, I'm trying to find info on gsoc, but i'm kinda lost between websites. Is there anything like a "Getting started" page ?
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22:37.09lfzawackithe student guide seems to be what you  want
22:37.11lfzawackihttp://www.booki.cc/gsocstudentguide/_v/1.0/what-is-google-summer-of-code/
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22:39.43otibomthanks, I also found that http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforStudents
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23:21.04alfski@SRabblier: Liquid Galaxy Project.... sorry about the delay was in a meeting
23:22.36nekohayohey there, for projects participating under the umbrella of multiple projets (gnome + gstreamer), should students send their introductory emails/ideas/proposals to three mailing lists (the application + gnome + gstreamer) in addition to applying on the gsoc website? should they apply to both umbrella orgs for each application?
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23:37.32schumamlnekohayo: did you check their gsoc page?
23:37.59nekohayoI should check gstreamer again
23:38.16nekohayoI've just been told that gnome does not require posting to a mailing list actually
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23:39.47nekohayoI'll ask the #gstreamer folks and that should solve my question :)
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