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| 00:10.58 | bmk | Hello, I just began looking at the GSOC info and noticed on the timeline that tomorrow applications open. I am interested, however I also see that it shows on the calendar these past few weeks have been for students to discuss ideas with mentoring organizations. Clearly I havn't done this as I just looked into this but am still interested to apply for some of the projects. Since the period of discussing ideas is over, should I just se |
| 00:10.59 | bmk | nd applications? Or am I still able to discuss ideas with the organizations during the application period? |
| 00:11.22 | mayanks43 | you are still able to discuss ideas |
| 00:11.25 | mayanks43 | but hurry |
| 00:11.27 | saksham | period of discussing deas isnt over |
| 00:12.16 | scorche | the period of discussing should never end, really ;) |
| 00:12.58 | gevaerts | scorche: well, that depends. Too many projects get nowhere because they're stuck at the "discussing" stage :) |
| 00:13.05 | scorche | bmk: by all means, get in contact with the orgs now and discuss things - there is plenty of time to submit your application - you dont have to submit it the first day - few do, really |
| 00:13.24 | gevaerts | Don't submit it at the very last minute either though |
| 00:13.33 | mayanks43 | but it helps to submit early as you get lot of feedback |
| 00:13.34 | scorche | gevaerts: discussing and coding are not mutually exclusive ;_ |
| 00:13.36 | scorche | ;) |
| 00:13.57 | gevaerts | scorche: true. Some of the most heated discussions are triggered by code :) |
| 00:14.16 | scorche | mayanks43: well, you dont have to submit to get feedback |
| 00:14.34 | bmk | Thank you :) |
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| 00:15.30 | scorche | if i were a student, i would put my application on a wiki of some sorts, work with the org until it is as good as it will ever be - and very detailed, and then submit the application later on in the process |
| 00:15.35 | saksham | bmk, as long as you're not applying for what I'm applying for, go ahead and give a try |
| 00:15.38 | bmk | I've looked through the organizations and have noticed quite a few using C++, any recommendations on a few geared more towards beginner/intermediate with c++? |
| 00:15.39 | saksham | :-D |
| 00:15.40 | SRabbelier | Mentor management is now live |
| 00:15.53 | SRabbelier | Org app templates are now also displayed on the org homepages |
| 00:16.09 | SRabbelier | s/now also/now/ |
| 00:16.25 | SRabbelier | scorche, gevaerts, Nightrose: ^ |
| 00:16.30 | mayanks43 | student applications start in approx 18 hrs !!! |
| 00:16.40 | SRabbelier | mayanks43: dont' remind me |
| 00:16.41 | scorche | bmk: that is really subjective, to be honest - just look through them yourself and figure out what might be beginner/intermediate yourself |
| 00:16.44 | mayanks43 | :P |
| 00:16.56 | scorche | checks |
| 00:17.15 | bmk | ok, will do! |
| 00:18.19 | gevaerts | SRabbelier: the new version is getting nicer every minute :) |
| 00:18.51 | scorche | SRabbelier: in our application template, we have heading and sub-headings - it looks a bit weird considering that the headings have the same style as the "APPLICATION TEMPLATE" and will get quite confusing - shoudl this be fixed on your end, or should i just re-write my template to show headings in a differetn manner? |
| 00:18.53 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: we try! |
| 00:18.57 | scorche | SRabbelier: see: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/google/gsoc2011/rockbox |
| 00:19.14 | SRabbelier | scorche: any suggestions on the former? |
| 00:20.00 | gevaerts | SRabbelier: hm, is the regexp search on tags gone? |
| 00:20.14 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: tick the box |
| 00:20.40 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: hm, there is no box :P |
| 00:20.45 | SRabbelier | why is there no box |
| 00:20.53 | SRabbelier | I think I know |
| 00:21.05 | gevaerts | Someone stole the box? :) |
| 00:21.27 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: I did |
| 00:21.29 | scorche | SRabbelier: well, there are a variety of ways you could do it, really...i dont really know what would be best though - let me look at the template in my org profile to see how tinyMCE actually interpreted what i put there |
| 00:21.30 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: soap box |
| 00:21.39 | SRabbelier | scorche: loosk like h4s |
| 00:21.42 | SRabbelier | scorche: which is what we're using |
| 00:21.45 | SRabbelier | perhaps just some css |
| 00:21.50 | laserbled | !next |
| 00:21.50 | socinfo | laserbled: "next" is March 28 1900UTC Student application period opens. |
| 00:22.00 | gevaerts | Of course the question is how many people actually use regexp search. It's the only real way to find e.g. c, but that doesn't mean people realise that and know how to use it |
| 00:23.30 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: valid point |
| 00:24.21 | scorche | SRabbelier: for more information, my work flow is to develop the org app in our wiki here: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/GSoCOrgApp2011 - then i simply copy/pasted the application into the field and, well, you see how TinyMCE interpreted it =) |
| 00:24.53 | scorche | gevaerts: yeah - i referenced you here: http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=1145 ;) |
| 00:25.46 | SRabbelier | scorche: yeah, we should probably make sure that we disable at least the heading styling for the content |
| 00:26.01 | felipevieira | !next |
| 00:26.01 | socinfo | felipevieira: "next" is March 28 1900UTC Student application period opens. |
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| 00:26.22 | scorche | SRabbelier: indeed - i would normally just fix it in my template, however i would imagine we are not the only org who works in this manner and will have this issue =) |
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| 00:27.00 | iandees_ | SRabbelier: saw your "action required" e-mail... what is a valid IRC URL? irc://freenode.com/xyz doesn't seem to be accepted |
| 00:27.20 | SRabbelier | iandees_: yeah, sorry, seems like our validator is too strict |
| 00:27.23 | SRabbelier | contemplates |
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| 00:27.36 | SRabbelier | iandees_: join #melange ? |
| 00:27.36 | scorche | iandees_: technically, it should be irc://irc.freenode.net/xyz , however there are currently issues with the validator ;) |
| 00:27.47 | iandees_ | :) sure, SRabbelier |
| 00:27.51 | gevaerts | scorche: ah, right. I've now added the actual expression there :) |
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| 00:36.21 | brlcad | SRabbelier: great work on the new site, thanks to you et al |
| 00:37.27 | SRabbelier | brlcad: thank you! |
| 00:37.34 | SRabbelier | brlcad: glad you like it |
| 00:37.43 | brlcad | love it |
| 00:37.50 | brlcad | cept for that stupid calendar :) |
| 00:38.01 | brlcad | is fscking counter-intertuitive |
| 00:38.31 | scorche | brlcad: i know....see http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=1143 ;) |
| 00:38.38 | brlcad | oh I know already |
| 00:38.42 | SRabbelier | will be talking to ED about that |
| 00:38.48 | scorche | wonders how much fuss SRabbelier is looking for ;) |
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| 00:38.49 | brlcad | just 2cents more complaining :) |
| 00:39.40 | SRabbelier | scorche: about the amount received so far :P |
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| 00:42.32 | brlcad | google image search for circular calendar seems to contradict that all circular calendars go counterclock .. the first *spiraling* one does but the rest seem to go clockwise |
| 00:42.46 | brlcad | at least the majority |
| 00:43.17 | gevaerts | It's a test, just like the 19:00 UTC deadlines are :) |
| 00:43.27 | brlcad | heh |
| 00:43.30 | scorche | brlcad: i wonder if there is some other circular time-keeping mechanism that we could look to as a standard basis for such things... ;) |
| 00:43.39 | SRabbelier | grins |
| 00:43.45 | brlcad | or when they leave off the timezone and just say 16:00 |
| 00:43.48 | SRabbelier | brlcad, scorche: we are such geeks |
| 00:43.54 | gevaerts | has seen clocks going both ways |
| 00:43.57 | SRabbelier | brlcad: that's the best way |
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| 00:50.19 | zamN | so i would take it if I have a 35 hr a week job during the summer I shouldn't do gsoc |
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| 00:50.45 | gevaerts | correct |
| 00:50.47 | zamN | I'd like to think I can do it but what is the main consensus on this |
| 00:50.50 | bmk | I'd say do gsoc and not that job :D well, depending what it is... GSOC looks sweet |
| 00:50.50 | zamN | ah, alright. |
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| 00:50.56 | zamN | its an IT job |
| 00:51.25 | zamN | i can't just take the summer off of it to do gsoc :\ |
| 00:51.50 | mmadia | on the bright side, it's not flipping burgers. |
| 00:51.58 | bmk | Exactly |
| 00:52.30 | gevaerts | You might find some organisations that accept this, but the vast majority won't |
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| 00:53.09 | zamN | I mean I have the weekends off and I get off farely early so I can easily dedicate at least 20 hours a week to gsoc |
| 00:53.12 | pcmattman | Your best bet would be to notify the organisation and let them decide if they want to accept that |
| 00:53.43 | zamN | alright |
| 00:53.49 | bmk | I agree with pcmatt and geva... can't hurt to try :) |
| 00:54.01 | pcmattman | Be totally honest now rather than having then find out later |
| 00:54.04 | pcmattman | *them |
| 00:54.17 | zamN | its a shame since I really want to do this |
| 00:54.25 | jcreigh | zamN: any chance you could afford to reduce your hours at the IT job in the event that you are accepted? |
| 00:54.47 | zamN | yeah I can work 7 hours less |
| 00:54.51 | zamN | i'd take a day off during the week |
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| 00:55.30 | gevaerts | http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/faqs#time_student is pretty clear about this I think |
| 00:55.54 | zamN | yeah I should treat it as a full time job |
| 00:55.56 | ojwb | personally, I wouldn't accept somebody with a full time job, and I'd fail them when it came to light (and it's going to - you can't hold down two full time commitments for 13 weeks and do well in both) |
| 00:56.10 | zamN | but the project I'm submitting for doesnt seem like its going to take 40 hours a week to complete by the end of the summer |
| 00:56.22 | jcreigh | everything takes longer than you think. :) |
| 00:56.26 | zamN | sadly |
| 00:56.27 | zamN | :) |
| 00:56.35 | gevaerts | And some people (including me) don't believe in 60-80 hours per week for three months while keeping productivity and quality decent |
| 00:57.33 | zamN | well IT isn't really challenging for the mind |
| 00:57.41 | zamN | so it can hibernate during the day and come out during the night and work on gsoc :) |
| 00:58.23 | SRabbelier | zamN: Whichever you decide, _tell your org_ |
| 00:58.41 | gevaerts | Well, if you believe you can do it, you can apply and try to convince the org |
| 00:59.16 | gevaerts | But be prepared for scepticism |
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| 01:01.21 | Nushio | Hey there |
| 01:01.28 | Nushio | I keep getting error 500 when i try to register as a mentor |
| 01:01.49 | SRabbelier | Nushio: please stop trying, will look into it |
| 01:01.56 | Nushio | SRabbelier: alright, will do |
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| 01:02.23 | SRabbelier | Nushio: I see the problem |
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| 01:03.30 | SRabbelier | Nushio: deploying a fix |
| 01:03.39 | Nushio | SRabbelier: thanks! Was it something I typed? |
| 01:03.40 | scorche | thinks that IT can be quite challenging - though it is a *very* big subject ;) |
| 01:04.26 | SRabbelier | Nushio: probably |
| 01:04.29 | SRabbelier | Nushio: :P |
| 01:04.34 | SRabbelier | Nushio: try now |
| 01:05.03 | Nushio | i see |
| 01:05.09 | Nushio | it doesn't like accents in the state |
| 01:05.18 | Nushio | or # on street name |
| 01:05.36 | anth_r | d |
| 01:05.40 | anth_r | whoops, sorry. |
| 01:05.45 | Nushio | SRabbelier: I registered, thanks! |
| 01:06.20 | scorche | Nushio: that isnt melange's fault - it needs to interface with the distributor/shipper's systems ;) |
| 01:06.56 | scorche | it gets really silly when you start getting into Cyrillic areas ;) |
| 01:07.03 | SRabbelier | scorche: we were actually throwing 500 :P |
| 01:07.05 | Nushio | hah |
| 01:07.19 | anth_x | it would be nice, however, if input format wasn't constrained by output format. no inherent reason they have to be the same. |
| 01:07.27 | scorche | SRabbelier: yeah, but there is still the accents part |
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| 01:08.56 | thebolt | scorche: what, you mean the shipper cannot handle proper adresses? :) |
| 01:09.41 | thebolt | scorche: where i live the order of the parts of the address is totally reversed compared to US/west europe, so city first, then street etc.. inb addition to requiring full unicode |
| 01:10.06 | ojwb | thebolt: you must remember the seemingly endless thread about this a few years ago |
| 01:10.33 | ojwb | even a comma seems to thwart US shipping companies |
| 01:11.01 | thebolt | ojwb: hm, actually i don't.. but i know there are few companies that has so many problems with addresses as those that are in shipping :P |
| 01:11.18 | thebolt | i mean, any other company can happily ship to strange addresses.. |
| 01:11.49 | scorche | remembers all sorts of other crap Brightstar caused when he was volunteering for OLPC... |
| 01:11.54 | scorche | the address thing is tiny ;) |
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| 01:14.38 | thebolt | well, as long as i lived in sweden it was never any problem |
| 01:14.59 | thebolt | <first name><last name> Sweden was enough for a postcard to reach me (from Chile;) |
| 01:15.09 | scorche | wow |
| 01:15.16 | scorche | seriously? |
| 01:15.24 | thebolt | Here, well.. a friend sent a letter and forgot to put the floor number, it almost didn't reach me |
| 01:15.27 | thebolt | yes |
| 01:15.31 | thebolt | i am the only one in sweden with my name |
| 01:15.50 | thebolt | and swedish postal service are quite good at delivering mails with incomplete addresses |
| 01:15.51 | jcreigh | "thebolt" does seem like an uncommon name... :) |
| 01:15.54 | SRabbelier | thebolt: I reckon not many people are called thebolt ;) |
| 01:15.59 | SRabbelier | jcreigh: ninja-ed |
| 01:16.10 | scorche | i doubt any postal worker in the US would even try - just get out the return to sender stamp |
| 01:16.16 | thebolt | of course my real name ;) |
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| 01:16.58 | thebolt | (which by the way is pretty easy to find out :P) |
| 01:17.32 | SRabbelier | thebolt: indeed |
| 01:20.12 | ojwb | the uk royal mail used to pride themselves on delivering poorly addressed mail |
| 01:20.19 | ojwb | not sure how much the case that still is |
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| 01:21.06 | anth_x | when i lived in london a local paper did some tests. mail delivery was awful. they documented carriers dumping sacks in the river at the end of the day. |
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| 01:21.24 | thebolt | i know that when i worked for a swedish company a few years back we got an invoice (from our own insurance company...) that had wrongly spelled company name, wrong zip-code, wrong city (city and zip didn't match at all) but in the end we got it |
| 01:21.31 | thebolt | about 2 months late, but still |
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| 01:23.28 | thebolt | anth_x: thats..not good :P |
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| 01:45.03 | lbieber | I saw the announcement today about being able to invite a mentor, but I still don't see it on my dashboard. Can you give me a pointer |
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| 01:47.14 | SRabbelier | lbieber: the announcement said it would be on your organization homepage, yes? |
| 01:49.00 | lbieber | SRabbelier: got it, I knew it was there somewhere, thanks |
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| 04:04.05 | Rinum | so I just heard about GSOC... I totally wish I did this when I was 18 :( ... I'm 20 now |
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| 04:04.35 | Rinum | but then again I'm sure it would've been extremely difficult to get accepted? |
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| 04:04.47 | Rinum | is it still difficult to get accepted? |
| 04:05.32 | ojwb | it's not hard to get a good application accepted |
| 04:05.34 | kstar | Rinum: It depends on how nice a proposal you write etc. |
| 04:05.36 | ojwb | it's hard to get a bad one |
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| 04:05.48 | kstar | I mean, there are a lot of factors. |
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| 04:06.01 | kstar | a) How many slots does the project you applied to have? |
| 04:06.11 | Rinum | what if you had minimal "real-world" programming experience (w/e I know comes from my own projects and school) |
| 04:06.18 | kstar | b) How good are your peers within the same project? |
| 04:06.30 | kstar | c) How well researched and good is your proposal? |
| 04:06.36 | Rinum | well I literally found out about GSOC right now |
| 04:06.39 | kstar | d) How well have you interacted with the community? |
| 04:07.01 | kstar | Rinum: It ain't too late. |
| 04:07.11 | Rinum | that's good to hear :) |
| 04:07.18 | kstar | Rinum: Some applicants don't have "real-world" experience at all :D |
| 04:07.25 | Rinum | awesome! |
| 04:07.41 | ojwb | kstar: (a) isn't really the relevant question |
| 04:07.55 | ojwb | it's how many slot they have compared to the number of quality applications |
| 04:08.22 | ojwb | KDE tend to get the most slots each year, but get something like 10 applications per slot |
| 04:08.31 | ojwb | not sure what proportion they; |
| 04:08.34 | ojwb | bah |
| 04:08.35 | Rinum | are there any stats on the # of applicants last year? |
| 04:08.38 | ojwb | they'd take if they could |
| 04:08.41 | ojwb | !numapps |
| 04:08.41 | socinfo | ojwb: "numapps" is 417 mentoring orgs applied and 175 were accepted this year. In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and 151 were accepted; 5539 proposals were submitted by 3464 students, and 1026 were accepted |
| 04:09.10 | ojwb | apparently there should be more students accepted this year, but not seen a number |
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| 04:10.15 | Rinum | well the odds don't look to bad, and as long as the application is good it should be fine? |
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| 04:10.48 | roy__ | hiii...can any one tell .. |
| 04:10.51 | ojwb | not all good applications get accepted |
| 04:11.10 | roy__ | how to see my last year application on new site ? |
| 04:11.28 | ojwb | roy__: I think you probably can't currently |
| 04:11.40 | ojwb | but that should reappear |
| 04:11.43 | skbohra | roy__: and that's good for you |
| 04:11.52 | roy__ | bt i need to see it |
| 04:12.02 | roy__ | is thr any way to see it ? |
| 04:12.19 | Pranav_rcmas | Is a transcript of this channel stored anywhere? |
| 04:12.21 | Rinum | any particular reasons? (other, better applicants?) |
| 04:12.25 | skbohra | roy__: don't use the sms speak here, it hurts our eyes :) |
| 04:12.29 | ojwb | !logs |
| 04:12.30 | socinfo | ojwb: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
| 04:12.35 | ojwb | Pranav_rcmas: ^^ |
| 04:12.45 | dayoung__ | can a person still participate in gsoc if they are also working a full time job? |
| 04:12.46 | Pranav_rcmas | ah, thanks |
| 04:12.58 | roy__ | ok |
| 04:13.00 | skbohra | dayoung__: no |
| 04:13.03 | ojwb | roy__: SRabbelier may be able to help for chocolate |
| 04:13.08 | scorche | roy__: there likely is if you knew the link - but there is a bit of brokenness there - it will return, but currently there are other issues to worry about |
| 04:13.11 | skbohra | dayoung__: it's a full time job |
| 04:13.29 | dayoung__ | skbohra: still do-able though |
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| 04:13.59 | ojwb | dayoung_: no, it's not doable |
| 04:14.12 | ojwb | people have ignored such advice before and failed |
| 04:14.16 | dayoung__ | is there an actual restriction? |
| 04:14.16 | skbohra | dayoung__: if you are a student and doing a full time job already, then gsoc wouldn't be that easy |
| 04:14.21 | ojwb | please don't waste a slot which could go to a useful student |
| 04:14.39 | roy__ | i unable to find mailing list of "Moodle" orgnization ? |
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| 04:14.53 | dayoung__ | no classes in summer though when gsoc takes place |
| 04:14.56 | ojwb | not sure google requires it, but many orgs will require you not to have another full-time commitment |
| 04:15.07 | nishmu | Does the project ideas need to be something new, like an additional feature or can it be bug fixes to existing feature? |
| 04:15.14 | ojwb | and will fail you if you lie to them |
| 04:15.27 | skbohra | nishmu: depends on org |
| 04:15.51 | skbohra | but it should be something worth $5000 |
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| 04:17.09 | dayoung__ | not trying to lie, but full-time + open source is less than what I normally do. so I'm not seeing any issues unless it's against google's policy |
| 04:17.14 | nishmu | skbohra: Okay, so if a new idea or features is prorposed and is "accepted", then it is bound to be merged with the main project, instead of being just a fork? |
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| 04:18.08 | skbohra | nishmu: totally depends on organization |
| 04:18.28 | Rinum | dayoung__: well we've got applicants like me who aren't working over the summer and need something to work on ;) |
| 04:18.33 | skbohra | nishmu: better ask this question to the specific org |
| 04:19.00 | ojwb | dayoung__: if you think you can do it, convince the org, not us |
| 04:19.01 | kstar | Anyone from Austin here? |
| 04:19.05 | nishmu | skbohra: Okay thanks, I will browse through there articles about gsoc. |
| 04:19.13 | nishmu | *their |
| 04:19.21 | dayoung__ | ojwb: I know, I was just asking if there is an official rule against it. thanks |
| 04:19.53 | ojwb | there's no official google rule that I know of, but google allows orgs to impose their own additional rules |
| 04:20.15 | dayoung__ | I completely understand, I'll talk with the orgs and mentors in particular for how they feel about it |
| 04:20.53 | Rinum | and with planning to graduate next spring without "real-world" experience, this experience would definitely be helpful and awesome |
| 04:20.55 | ojwb | technically you are hired by google, so there might be issues with working insane numbers of hours |
| 04:21.06 | ojwb | but I know little of us employment law |
| 04:21.38 | dayoung__ | there are only laws about the same employeer making you work extended hours if you are hourly, not salaried |
| 04:22.12 | dayoung__ | but if you work for multiple companies there isn't an hour issue. some companies have no competition agreements, but I'm not in that situtation |
| 04:22.23 | Rinum | anyway thanks for your help kstar and ojwb |
| 04:22.38 | kstar | Rinum: Sure, 'nytime. |
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| 04:23.17 | roy__ | i hv mail 1 organisation for getting Qualification task ...still waiting for response ? |
| 04:23.35 | scorche | ojwb: no - technically they are not hired by google |
| 04:23.44 | scorche | technically they are independent contractors, iirc |
| 04:24.01 | ojwb | that's what I meant, though I did put it badly |
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| 04:25.45 | svaksha | roy__: sms-speak is hard to grok :) |
| 04:26.07 | scorche | dayoung_: as said, there is no actual restriction about this - i have heard of students being able to keep a full-time job and do GSoC, however, it is highly discouraged... if you ask them, i would be willing to bet that they would not recommend it to others either |
| 04:27.08 | roy__ | hey i want to see my last year proposal...how to see it ? |
| 04:27.27 | scorche | roy__: didnt i already answer this for you? |
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| 04:27.54 | dayoung__ | scorche: so long as there's no rule against it I'll give it a go =) |
| 04:27.55 | svaksha | roy__: didnt ojwb answer that? |
| 04:28.22 | scorche | dayoung_: however, please by no means try to hide this from the orgs you are applying to - it is their decision, after all ;) |
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| 04:28.37 | Landon | is there no way to view old abstracts on the SoC site? |
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| 04:29.04 | Landon | is only able to find titles |
| 04:29.16 | dayoung__ | scorche: of course |
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| 04:29.27 | scorche | Landon: not currently |
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| 04:29.40 | Landon | ah dang, well I probably have it saved somewhere |
| 04:29.40 | scorche | well, again - you likely could if you knew the correct URL-magic, but... |
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| 04:30.00 | hey1 | is there any way to see old site ? |
| 04:30.21 | scorche | no |
| 04:30.57 | hey1 | ok...thanks |
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| 04:31.48 | svaksha | hmm...i wonder if its a coincidence that all the new nicks joining the channel are asking the same question |
| 04:31.49 | chx | good evening. For the first time, I am planning to ask students to provde some minimal knowledge of the tools we use but I can't find any organization at http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2010 which does so. |
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| 04:32.46 | ojwb | chx: lots ask for some sort of qualify task |
| 04:32.54 | cwicks | good morning gsoc |
| 04:33.08 | chx | I presume they do but I am looking for an example |
| 04:33.09 | cwicks | I am having trouble with this page http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2011 |
| 04:33.29 | cwicks | Pulling up the list of mentor organizations this year - has anyone gotten it to work - it just says "loading" |
| 04:33.35 | Landon | svaksha: probably not, I'm just looking for a short blurb to throw on linkedin :P |
| 04:33.54 | dayoung__ | chx: a lot of the game orgs ask for how familiar the applicant is with their tools/version control/etc |
| 04:33.57 | scorche | chx: yeah - lots of orgs do - what are you looking for in particular? |
| 04:34.21 | chx | scorche: just how do you insert "We would like you to do X" in the application template |
| 04:34.23 | scorche | cwicks: works for me - maybe give it some more time before you refresh? |
| 04:34.45 | chx | scorche: I msyelf am a hell lot better with PHP than English :p especially English this important. |
| 04:35.08 | nishmu | chx are you really the registered chx on freenode? |
| 04:35.15 | chx | haha yes |
| 04:35.22 | chx | i am always scared of this part of the process |
| 04:35.23 | nishmu | nice to see you. |
| 04:35.28 | chx | and I wrote on the admin list why |
| 04:35.40 | scorche | chx: well, we dont insert that in the app template - we allow the students to submit their applications, then assign qualification tasks that will usually test various things like a trivial code change relating to their project, also tests ability to get a decent compiling environment, make patches, etc |
| 04:35.43 | chx | nice to see you too |
| 04:35.46 | scorche | then, we have an interview |
| 04:36.06 | chx | oh |
| 04:36.21 | chx | how many applications do you get usually? |
| 04:36.35 | ojwb | tasks related to the project make a lot of sense |
| 04:36.53 | chx | yeah i am more seeking the 'where do i put this' and the how |
| 04:37.00 | chx | we usually get ungodly lots of applications |
| 04:37.04 | scorche | chx: about 6-10 good enough to give a qualification task to |
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| 04:37.23 | chx | and i would love to pre-screen them by asking them to get a sandbox on drupal.org and commit a simple text file to it |
| 04:37.29 | ojwb | IIRC abiword ask applicants to patch a dialog box to include a message, build, and take a screenshot |
| 04:37.30 | chx | and solve a really small PHP puzzle |
| 04:37.34 | ojwb | then include that |
| 04:37.37 | chx | ah |
| 04:37.48 | ojwb | which is a good test that they can build it at least |
| 04:37.56 | dberkholz | followed by a rubik's cube over a live video call |
| 04:38.03 | scorche | we only give qualification tasks to those whose app meets with first glance passing - if their application is not up to snuff, we tell them and wait for them to fix it |
| 04:38.29 | chx | thanks a ton |
| 04:38.37 | chx | i do not know why i did not go in ABC order :p |
| 04:38.47 | chx | it's not like abiword is the first on the list , no ;) |
| 04:38.47 | scorche | many dont fix their app - we dont bother with those - we work with others to get their application up to an acceptable level, and then give them a task |
| 04:38.55 | dberkholz | scorche: good idea. we've been thinking about switching to doing it that way, since some other orgs complained last year that using a template with requirements dropped the # of apps |
| 04:39.10 | dberkholz | not just total apps, but good apps too |
| 04:40.54 | dayoung__ | some applications are 8-10 pages long, takes a good long time to fill out |
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| 04:41.14 | dberkholz | dayoung__: really? do you have a couple of examples handy? |
| 04:41.29 | dayoung__ | http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SoC_Information_for_Google#Does_your_organization_have_an_application_template_you_would_like_to_see_students_use.3F_If_so.2C_please_provide_it_now._Please_note_that_it_is_a_very_good_idea_to_ask_students_to_provide_you_with_their_contact_information_as_part_of_your_template._Their_contact_details_will_not_be_shared_with_you_automatically_via_the_GSoC_2011_site. |
| 04:41.34 | dberkholz | i'm curious how much it takes to be offputting |
| 04:41.35 | dayoung__ | filled out it rounds to about 10 pages |
| 04:41.37 | hrishikesh | hi ... if i log in at http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2011, I don't see a link 'Apply as a student'. Will such a link be activated once the student application period opens, else where do I submit my application? |
| 04:42.22 | ojwb | dayoung_: that's the org application for wesnoth |
| 04:42.36 | scorche | ojwb: the application template is inside |
| 04:43.10 | cwicks | Hi GSoC - okay still can't get I am having trouble with this page http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2011 to load properly - no orgs listed :( |
| 04:43.22 | ojwb | scorche: ah yes |
| 04:43.24 | ojwb | d'oh |
| 04:43.30 | cwicks | It must be me if you can get it to come up. Is there a normal web page listing of the orgs mentoring this year? |
| 04:43.41 | ojwb | ah, the anchor didn't work for me for some reason |
| 04:43.41 | dberkholz | that is a bit long, mostly because of the questions about using the software |
| 04:43.57 | scorche | cwicks: thats it - make sure javascript is free to go as it pleases |
| 04:44.08 | dayoung__ | cwicks: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2010 |
| 04:44.12 | dayoung__ | err |
| 04:44.22 | dayoung__ | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2011 |
| 04:44.24 | ojwb | dberkholz: i tend to feel that if the application process puts off good applicants, they weren't that good after all |
| 04:44.28 | dayoung__ | comes up fine |
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| 04:44.55 | dayoung__ | ojwb: it's not just the application but the time to get the dev environment up and submitting a patch means less time for other orgs |
| 04:44.57 | dberkholz | ojwb: if you mean good as in "only interested in your own", sure |
| 04:45.02 | dberkholz | s/own/org/ |
| 04:45.33 | dberkholz | ojwb: presumably the best students pretty much have their choice of org, so they'll apply to ones that are both interesting and have a low barrier to entry |
| 04:45.44 | ojwb | we have a pretty slick setup process for a dev environment |
| 04:46.01 | ojwb | though the students have helped us knock some rough corners off it already |
| 04:46.09 | scorche | dberkholz: i wouldnt say that is a good presumption |
| 04:46.18 | scorche | lots of these "good students" like a challenge |
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| 04:46.36 | dberkholz | the admistrative kind that involves filling out a long application? |
| 04:46.41 | dberkholz | administrative* |
| 04:47.10 | scorche | shrugs |
| 04:47.13 | scorche | there are all types ;) |
| 04:47.17 | dayoung__ | ojwb: there is an opportunity cost though, you take a bunch of time per app and dev environment and the org may only be able to accept 3-4 people |
| 04:49.58 | ojwb | i don't think our application process is all that complex, but I'm certainly not interested in playing the numbers game to try to get more slots |
| 04:50.49 | dberkholz | transfer the same idea to non-gsoc recruitment of new contributors |
| 04:50.50 | Rinum | omg no way... StatusNet is participating!!! They sent me an email a couple months back saying they were impressed with something I made :D |
| 04:51.06 | dberkholz | lowering the barrier to entry, or delaying effort till people are really interested, aren't things i see as gaming the system |
| 04:51.44 | ojwb | it's a different situation though |
| 04:52.03 | cwicks | dayoung__ thank you! that 2010 link worked - weird that the 2011 link doesn't work as easily as 2011... |
| 04:52.04 | ojwb | outside of gsoc, you just need to get a dev env going |
| 04:52.22 | ojwb | but inside gsoc the driving motivation often isn't interest in the project |
| 04:52.42 | dberkholz | we've got a bit more process involved in adding new devs |
| 04:53.04 | ojwb | you mean for commit access? |
| 04:53.07 | dberkholz | yep |
| 04:53.15 | ojwb | you can usefully contribute without that though in most cases |
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| 04:55.15 | thebolt | hi |
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| 05:01.34 | cwicks | dayoung_ sorry it's me again... the 2010 page has 2010 orgs on it I think. |
| 05:02.17 | ojwb | cwicks: is that a surprise to you? |
| 05:02.25 | dayoung__ | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2011 =p |
| 05:03.07 | ojwb | and we're back up to 174 orgs now |
| 05:03.20 | cwicks | ojwb the page says 2011 at the top in the header so it's a bit confusing |
| 05:03.38 | ojwb | that's just a site banner |
| 05:03.46 | ojwb | the page title says 2010 |
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| 05:16.08 | cwicks | me again - still waiting for that loading... to load something - maybe GSoc site doesn't like IE users. |
| 05:16.24 | cwicks | But did find a useful person has loaded this list in an easier to see format http://linuxlandit.blogspot.com/2011/03/google-announces-summer-of-code.html |
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| 05:20.15 | hrishikesh | hi ... if i log in at http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2011, I don't see a link 'Apply as a student'. Will such a link be activated once the student application period opens, else where do I submit my application? |
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| 05:23.57 | chx | hrishikesh: likely the former. |
| 05:24.11 | chx | hrishikesh: you are on the correct site just not yet |
| 05:24.39 | hrishikesh | chx: hmmm .. thanks :-) 17:00 UTC it opens right? |
| 05:24.54 | chx | think so, yeah |
| 05:24.59 | hrishikesh | okay |
| 05:25.19 | scorche | !next |
| 05:25.20 | socinfo | scorche: "next" is March 28 1900UTC Student application period opens. |
| 05:25.58 | hrishikesh | ohh ... okay :-) |
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| 05:36.39 | Overtim3 | Hello world, i am new to IRC in general, but can anyone help me with questions for the google summer of code here? |
| 05:37.08 | MostAwesomeDude | Overtim3: Don't ask to ask, just ask. |
| 05:37.14 | hypatia | beat me to it, MostAwesomeDude :) |
| 05:37.32 | Overtim3 | okay thanks :) |
| 05:37.40 | hypatia | !faq |
| 05:37.41 | socinfo | hypatia: "faq" is http://goo.gl/Up2Qf |
| 05:37.51 | hypatia | Overtim3: ^^^ worth a look first |
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| 05:37.56 | Overtim3 | right, i have read a good proportion of that |
| 05:38.07 | Overtim3 | but i am still a bit confused |
| 05:38.22 | hypatia | what are you confused about? |
| 05:38.33 | Overtim3 | So are the mentors from the company |
| 05:38.43 | scorche | what company? |
| 05:38.57 | Overtim3 | well i mean the poeple that submitted the open source projects |
| 05:38.58 | ojwb | Overtim3: they are from the open source projects |
| 05:39.06 | ojwb | a few of those are companies, but most aren't |
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| 05:39.31 | Overtim3 | So would i have to come up with the project? |
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| 05:39.40 | Overtim3 | or do i just get to work with it? |
| 05:39.50 | hypatia | Overtim3: organizations post project suggestions |
| 05:39.56 | hypatia | but you're welcome to come up with your own |
| 05:40.05 | hypatia | here's mine, for example: https://github.com/k9mail/k-9/wiki/GSoC-Project-Ideas |
| 05:40.12 | Overtim3 | i personally would like to be given a project to work on |
| 05:40.15 | hypatia | each participating organization will have a page like that |
| 05:40.48 | hypatia | Overtim3: you won't be "given" a project. you can pick a suggested project and write your proposal based on that, or you can bring your own idea in the proposal |
| 05:41.02 | hypatia | does that make sense? |
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| 05:41.13 | Overtim3 | what type of proposal? |
| 05:41.29 | scorche | Overtim3: i highly suggest you go back to reading that FAQ link above ;) |
| 05:41.29 | krow | Is there an admin for google-melange.com around? |
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| 05:41.40 | Overtim3 | okay i will do this |
| 05:41.43 | Overtim3 | thanks for you help |
| 05:41.44 | hypatia | krow: try #melange |
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| 05:41.54 | Overtim3 | i guess i like to have interaction |
| 05:41.55 | hypatia | Overtim3: yeah, read the rest of the FAQ :/ |
| 05:41.59 | Overtim3 | =-( |
| 05:42.04 | hypatia | and follow the link i pasted for an example |
| 05:42.15 | Overtim3 | as far as talking to person rather the digging through text |
| 05:42.17 | hypatia | the proposal is how you apply to be a student |
| 05:42.28 | krow | hypatia: Thanks! |
| 05:42.28 | scorche | Overtim3: we do too - however when that interaction gets asked over and over and over again from people who dont read the FAQ, it gets tiring ;) |
| 05:42.38 | Overtim3 | i can see that |
| 05:42.40 | Overtim3 | =-) |
| 05:42.44 | hypatia | Overtim3: it's not a terribly large text to dig through, and when... yeah, what scorche says :) |
| 05:42.52 | Overtim3 | im glad ur not getting mad at me lol |
| 05:43.07 | Overtim3 | anyways thanks again ill take another look at it |
| 05:44.23 | hypatia | feel free to ask again if anything's confusing |
| 05:44.30 | hypatia | but definitely do read through it first :) |
| 05:44.50 | ojwb | Overtim3: imagine 5000 people asking the same questions over and over |
| 05:45.45 | ojwb | actually, it's more like 3000, plus some of those are returning from previous years |
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| 06:23.14 | Zor | have student applications opened yet? |
| 06:23.20 | |Kev| | !next |
| 06:23.20 | socinfo | |Kev|: "next" is March 28 1900UTC Student application period opens. |
| 06:23.53 | Zor | oh... the site had me confused |
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| 06:30.59 | tudalex | !help |
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| 06:31.22 | scorche | tudalex: looking for something? |
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| 06:31.50 | tudalex | curious about the bot's commands |
| 06:31.57 | scorche | there are many |
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| 06:33.26 | siddharths | GSOC Admins >> you rock i really liked new website :) |
| 06:33.36 | siddharths | it very cool and nice at same time |
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| 06:36.53 | rams_pandu1 | Hi all, does gnome has a specific template for GSoC? |
| 06:37.18 | thiago_home | try asking in their channel too |
| 06:37.20 | scorche | ask gnome? |
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| 06:39.00 | rams_pandu1 | thiago_home, scorche I asked there and I am waiting for reply |
| 06:39.13 | thiago_home | keep waiting |
| 06:39.19 | scorche | rams_pandu1: well, they are much more likely to know than we are ;) |
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| 06:39.27 | thiago_home | it's pretty early in Europe and in the middle of the night in the US |
| 06:39.35 | ojwb | you could look at their org page in melange |
| 06:39.46 | ojwb | I think that now shows any template |
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| 06:41.47 | tudalex | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/google/gsoc2011/gnome |
| 06:42.44 | irahul | Hi everyone, does the proposal for project after submission is viewable by everyone or only the mentors ? |
| 06:42.58 | rams_pandu1 | tudalex: thank you :-) |
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| 06:47.49 | mayanks43 | irahul: you'll possibly get a public link to show to other people than the mentors |
| 06:49.09 | mayanks43 | better wait for the student application to be online |
| 06:49.42 | irahul | @mayank43 thanks for the help. |
| 06:51.17 | irahul | oops ,it should be @mayanks43, thanks again |
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| 06:51.54 | mayanks43 | irahul: use tabs :) |
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| 06:54.20 | irahul | mayanks43: thanks for the tip. |
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| 06:58.37 | socinfo | socketguru1: "next" is March 28 1900UTC Student application period opens. |
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| 07:47.36 | sol0 | when i'd be able to submit my proposal? |
| 07:47.43 | |Kev| | !next |
| 07:47.43 | socinfo | |Kev|: "next" is March 28 1900UTC Student application period opens. |
| 07:47.44 | sol0 | it's not open yet |
| 07:47.51 | |Kev| | Please read the timeline. |
| 07:48.02 | sol0 | ok |
| 07:50.05 | sol0 | !next |
| 07:50.05 | socinfo | sol0: "next" is March 28 1900UTC Student application period opens. |
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| 08:19.43 | thiago | still 11 hours to go |
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| 08:30.22 | JanisB | <28.03 11:29:43> <JanisB> !time -- /me should convert times to UTC ;[ |
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| 08:31.59 | Upthorn | well, 10 and a half |
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| 08:50.47 | akssps011 | Is the "create document" on melange has been removed ? |
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| 08:51.21 | akssps011 | I don't see any option to access my profile on melange |
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| 08:56.03 | select | akssps011: same problem here, that y i joined the irc channel |
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| 08:56.52 | skbohra | akssps011: try on #melange |
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| 08:57.11 | G104cch1n0 | hy all!! |
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| 08:58.10 | G104cch1n0 | I have a problema with google-melange |
| 08:58.33 | skbohra | don't ask to ask |
| 08:59.34 | G104cch1n0 | a friend told me |
| 09:00.02 | G104cch1n0 | that on orange menu' on the left i should see "My dashboard" button |
| 09:00.06 | chx | yes |
| 09:00.09 | chx | if you dont have that |
| 09:00.12 | chx | go to your org homepage |
| 09:00.16 | G104cch1n0 | to check if i have accepted as mentor or not |
| 09:00.19 | chx | click the request tobe a mentor |
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| 09:00.27 | chx | there you can create a profile |
| 09:00.35 | chx | if you dont have a proifle, ntohing else works. |
| 09:00.48 | G104cch1n0 | my profile si g10h4ck |
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| 09:05.38 | yellow_submarin | Hi |
| 09:07.34 | chx | no, that's your link id |
| 09:09.01 | G104cch1n0 | then what is my id ? |
| 09:09.08 | G104cch1n0 | is my google profile ? |
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| 09:48.25 | Dark_Shikari | whoa. the new gsoc site looks less terrible |
| 09:48.55 | DarkUranium | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2011 << that one? |
| 09:49.02 | DarkUranium | yeah, I can actually find my way around it now xD |
| 09:49.12 | Dark_Shikari | I have the opposite problem |
| 09:49.17 | Dark_Shikari | I can't find anything |
| 09:49.19 | svaksha | checks it out |
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| 09:49.28 | Dark_Shikari | there are no buttons to DO anything |
| 09:49.32 | Dark_Shikari | just informational pages |
| 09:49.35 | svaksha | oooo...awesome :) |
| 09:50.11 | Dark_Shikari | "only A-z, 0-9 and whitespace characters" <--- this shit is still broken? |
| 09:50.16 | Dark_Shikari | My name has a hyphen in it. |
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| 09:50.36 | DarkUranium | what's that, for IRC nicks? |
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| 09:50.41 | Dark_Shikari | Last names. |
| 09:50.45 | DarkUranium | ah |
| 09:50.45 | thebolt | guess you have to fake your name ;) |
| 09:50.52 | DarkUranium | yeah, mine is Äas |
| 09:50.59 | DarkUranium | wait, since when do last names have 0-9? |
| 09:51.12 | DarkUranium | ...in them? |
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| 09:51.21 | Dark_Shikari | I have no idea. |
| 09:51.23 | DarkUranium | "Hi, I'm Doe010073" |
| 09:51.28 | aghisla | lol! |
| 09:51.58 | DarkUranium | maybe if parents are MMO players or something... |
| 09:52.11 | DarkUranium | you know how those people like to append random numbers :P |
| 09:52.17 | aghisla | or kings, and queens |
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| 09:53.58 | DarkUranium | I'd say that if you're whatever the third, you'd type "The Third" not "The 3rd" |
| 09:54.16 | DarkUranium | unless you're like the 1537th |
| 09:54.27 | DarkUranium | and I think we both know what's the likelyhood of that :P |
| 09:54.35 | thebolt | well, at least for most european kings etc their number is given with roman numerals ;) |
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| 09:55.03 | thebolt | like the current king of sweden who is number 16.. (Carl XIV Gustav).. |
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| 09:55.15 | |Kev| | thebolt: Try again :) |
| 09:55.28 | DarkUranium | thebolt, 16 is not 0-9 :P |
| 09:55.33 | DarkUranium | e |
| 09:55.35 | DarkUranium | er* |
| 09:55.46 | thebolt | there you would still have a problem though, in the official registers the king and his children have no last name :P |
| 09:55.49 | DarkUranium | XIV is not [does not contain, that's what I meant] 0-9 |
| 09:56.12 | thebolt | |Kev|: bah, XVI* |
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| 09:56.27 | DarkUranium | too bad ' and ` aren't allowed... so no bobby tables :( |
| 09:56.56 | madrazr | !faq |
| 09:56.56 | socinfo | madrazr: "faq" is http://goo.gl/Up2Qf |
| 09:57.06 | DarkUranium | Doe'); DROP TABLE Members; |
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| 09:59.32 | chx | heh, when my parents made the silly mistake of actually entering their name into the Southwest system we needed to find an Southwest desk (thanks god i was flying with them anyways) and get it fixed 'cos all the accents became A letters (yeah, UTF-8) |
| 09:59.40 | chx | no wonder Google does not allow anything but ascii |
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| 10:00.39 | chx | re bobby tables if this system runs on sql ... i'd be surprised. |
| 10:00.43 | chx | surely it's bigtable? |
| 10:01.04 | thebolt | chx: had that problem with a taiwanese friend going by train in sweden.. train tickets are personal, the web page allowed to enter name using chinese character, the printout didn't, just became ??? |
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| 10:01.32 | thebolt | this time when i got a ticket for another friend i made sure to enter romanized version of name ;) |
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| 10:02.13 | chx | there was an excellent article about the wrong presumptions programmers have about names |
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| 10:07.31 | thebolt | yea, think i read it |
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| 11:23.39 | dongxv | Hi |
| 11:24.23 | dongxv | Where should we submit our applications? |
| 11:25.09 | thiago | on the interface |
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| 11:26.12 | ojwb | dongxv: not open until 19:00 UTC |
| 11:27.49 | dongxv | Okay, thank you. |
| 11:28.16 | dongxv | I find there is a name before your reply, how to add that? |
| 11:28.39 | thiago | huh? |
| 11:28.43 | thiago | how to do what? |
| 11:29.02 | ojwb | dongxv: by typing? |
| 11:29.31 | ojwb | you can press tab in many client to complete a partial name |
| 11:29.35 | dongxv | add a the people's nickname before the reply. Just type? |
| 11:29.59 | ojwb | um, yes |
| 11:31.18 | dongxv | Okay |
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| 11:42.21 | dongxv | We will submit by archive doc or only fill the form on the web? |
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| 11:47.45 | beng | lo |
| 11:48.35 | xudifsd | hi, i have a very embarrass request |
| 11:49.10 | kai | !ask |
| 11:49.15 | xudifsd | as i am a chinese student, and our gov block appspot.com & groups of google |
| 11:49.22 | Dark_Shikari | use a proxy |
| 11:49.28 | Dark_Shikari | like the other 100 million chinese on the internet |
| 11:49.34 | kai | !learn ask as Don't ask to ask, just ask. |
| 11:49.34 | socinfo | kai: The operation succeeded. |
| 11:49.42 | kai | and what Dark_Shikari said |
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| 11:50.08 | xudifsd | and as you know gmail is occasionally can't connected |
| 11:50.30 | Dark_Shikari | https://www.torproject.org/ |
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| 11:50.59 | xudifsd | no, before today i can use a proxy builded in gae, but now it can't again |
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| 11:52.13 | xudifsd | since i am a educational network user i can't use tor |
| 11:52.34 | Dark_Shikari | I don't think they can block Tor |
| 11:52.43 | Dark_Shikari | but what do you want us to do? |
| 11:52.54 | xudifsd | and right now i can not connect to torproject.oeg |
| 11:53.12 | Dark_Shikari | well yes, you'd need someone to send you the installer of course. |
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| 11:54.48 | xudifsd | i think maybe you can provide us some websit that not being blocked, so that i can know the news about soc |
| 11:55.27 | ojwb | follow on identi,ca or twitter? |
| 11:55.31 | gsathya | xudifsd: Get Tor via email: use Gmail, email gettor@torproject.org with "tor-browser-bundle" in the body of the message, wait for .zip file. |
| 11:55.40 | Dark_Shikari | he said gmail is blocked |
| 11:55.43 | gsathya | oh |
| 11:56.21 | Dark_Shikari | name me a working file upload site (not blocked) and I can upload it there |
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| 11:56.39 | xudifsd | yes gmail was blocked |
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| 11:56.48 | shahriman | !next |
| 11:56.48 | socinfo | shahriman: "next" is March 28 1900UTC Student application period opens. |
| 11:57.08 | Dark_Shikari | suggestions: multiupload, meload, rapidshare, etc |
| 11:57.08 | Dark_Shikari | gestions: mediafire, megaupload, rapidshare, etc |
| 11:57.12 | Dark_Shikari | er, blegh, lagged out. |
| 11:57.34 | xudifsd | i don't know some upload site |
| 11:57.42 | Dark_Shikari | try and see if any of those are blocked |
| 11:57.45 | Dark_Shikari | er, not blocked |
| 11:57.56 | xudifsd | maybe you can send it to my other email |
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| 12:01.31 | xudifsd | eh, i've tried those, and it seems that all blocked... |
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| 12:01.39 | Dark_Shikari | let me upload it to my site |
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| 12:02.29 | xudifsd | i am in ubuntu |
| 12:03.09 | dotnick | xudifsd: apt-get install tor? |
| 12:03.21 | Dark_Shikari | oh. ubuntu |
| 12:03.26 | Dark_Shikari | I assumed windows. |
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| 12:04.17 | xudifsd | can't apt-get |
| 12:04.22 | xudifsd | can't apt-get install tor |
| 12:04.50 | Dark_Shikari | x86_64 or x86_32? |
| 12:05.20 | xudifsd | and i don't think i can use tor right now, i am in educational network |
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| 12:05.39 | xudifsd | x86_32 |
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| 12:07.11 | Dark_Shikari | I DCC'd you tor. |
| 12:07.19 | Dark_Shikari | If you want to try it. |
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| 12:09.28 | xudifsd | the speed is extremely slow.... |
| 12:09.34 | dongxv | xudifsd, does your edu net has ipv6 channel |
| 12:09.37 | dongxv | ? |
| 12:09.38 | Dark_Shikari | this isn't surprising |
| 12:09.44 | Dark_Shikari | china's internet is very slow |
| 12:09.46 | Dark_Shikari | but it's only 16MB |
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| 12:09.51 | dongxv | ... |
| 12:10.02 | Dark_Shikari | also, my upload is only 500kbps |
| 12:10.04 | xudifsd | no, just ipv4 |
| 12:10.05 | Dark_Shikari | so don't expect more than that, ever. |
| 12:10.18 | Dark_Shikari | oh. except I forgot, I'm DCCing from a VPS. So it should be faster. |
| 12:10.30 | dongxv | If you have ipv6, you can use ipv6.google.com 80 to proxy |
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| 12:11.19 | xudifsd | eh, it's not suit me, there are only ipv4 |
| 12:12.32 | xudifsd | there must be privoxy work with tor? |
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| 12:13.35 | Dark_Shikari | 0.71kbps o_o |
| 12:13.48 | Dark_Shikari | it might finish overnight ... heh. |
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| 12:14.37 | gangil | !timeline |
| 12:14.37 | socinfo | gangil: "timeline" is http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
| 12:14.42 | gangil | !next |
| 12:14.42 | socinfo | gangil: "next" is March 28 1900UTC Student application period opens. |
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| 12:15.09 | xudifsd | eh , i can reach gmail now , and i got tor from robot |
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| 12:15.29 | gangil | no clock counters, timeanddate.com ? they are much better. |
| 12:15.35 | xudifsd | so i abort dcc |
| 12:15.39 | Dark_Shikari | ah k |
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| 12:17.38 | xudifsd | tor browser can not use chrome? |
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| 12:20.21 | leez87 | chrome uses the ie proxy option, so change the settings in ie and it is ok |
| 12:20.40 | Dark_Shikari | he's on ubuntu |
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| 12:36.16 | xudifsd | no! the tor's status is always "Connecting to a relay directory" |
| 12:36.26 | xudifsd | what's this mean? |
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| 12:42.00 | zelda | Is it necessary fot a student has been coding bugfixes for the org before? |
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| 12:42.30 | |Kev| | zelda: It depends on the org. Some suggest that you try your hand first, but it's not a program requirement. |
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| 12:43.20 | zelda | |Kev|: |
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| 12:44.21 | xudifsd | i don't think i can use tor in my network |
| 12:44.33 | xudifsd | omg |
| 12:44.36 | zelda | |Kev|: How does the org analyse the student. I mean of course there are some basic things to do, like building the app from source code. Modifying a few things etc... |
| 12:44.59 | gevaerts | zelda: brain scanners |
| 12:45.00 | ojwb | zelda: if you want to improve your chances of getting a place, sending in a patch to fix a bug or two is an excellent way to demonstrate you have the ability to get to grips with the code |
| 12:45.32 | |Kev| | zelda: That's going to be heavily org-specific. |
| 12:46.09 | |Kev| | zelda: I'm interested in whether someone can work things out on their own, when given a few nudges in the right direction, whether they seem to adapt to coding styles, whether they're pleasant to work with, etc. |
| 12:47.05 | thebolt | |Kev|: and if they clean your apartment every saturday afternoon? :) |
| 12:47.16 | xudifsd | can google provide some green channel(not blocked) for chinese students? |
| 12:47.19 | |Kev| | I'd get freaked out. |
| 12:47.42 | ojwb | xudifsd: that's more down to your government than google |
| 12:47.52 | svaksha | xudifsd: try using a proxy |
| 12:48.04 | svaksha | does not know if that is allowed |
| 12:48.18 | zelda | Ok, well I am interested in doing lots of small bug fixes in the various. apps I use in debian. Most are kde based. But when I try to compile and dig a bit iside the code. I *JUST cant. I see no entry point in the source code to enter and do modifications, becasue I have no way of getting the source code overview, and the things laid out. |
| 12:48.48 | |Kev| | zelda: So talk to the projects about that. |
| 12:48.59 | ojwb | it's a skill you'll probably have to develop |
| 12:49.04 | beng-nl | ojwb: hear hear |
| 12:49.10 | ojwb | i doubt it's innate in most people |
| 12:49.12 | ojwb | if anyone |
| 12:49.18 | |Kev| | I give students pointers to appropriate bits of code to start looking at. |
| 12:49.23 | |Kev| | I imagine most orgs would do the same. |
| 12:49.28 | gevaerts | tends to be good at fixing bugs *without* understanding the code |
| 12:49.29 | xudifsd | ye, it really is our gov's duty... |
| 12:49.30 | thebolt | yea, i think that is one of the most important things i've learned from doing open source development |
| 12:49.41 | thebolt | learning to quickly get an overview over a (huge) codebase |
| 12:49.45 | ojwb | i'm happy to point *anyone* in the right direction, inside or outside gsoc |
| 12:50.12 | dotnick | |Kev|: You've mentored before, correct? |
| 12:50.27 | thebolt | but its a bit of problem in the beginning, very hard to do anything about really.. |
| 12:50.28 | |Kev| | dotnick: I have. |
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| 12:50.57 | |Kev| | dotnick: Why do you ask? |
| 12:51.26 | dotnick | |Kev|: I just wanted to know how much help do mentors provide to students. Is it just "few nudges in the right direction" as you said or can I expect more help if I get into trouble? |
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| 12:51.50 | |Kev| | dotnick: For GSoC or teaser tasks? |
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| 12:52.04 | |Kev| | For GSoC, once accepted, the mentor should give you as much help as you reasonably need. |
| 12:52.06 | dotnick | |Kev|: GSoC |
| 12:52.40 | beng-nl | but they will try to minimize that through selection :) |
| 12:52.49 | |Kev| | If it turns out that you lied about being able to code, you can't spell C++ etc., then the mentor's not going to teach you, but once you're accepted it's the mentor's responsibility to try and support you. |
| 12:53.04 | dotnick | Makes sense, thanks. |
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| 12:53.20 | ojwb | well, not necessarily - certainly not everyone is just aiming to minimise their work |
| 12:53.37 | |Kev| | If I was looking to minimise my work, I wouldn't bother with GSoC. |
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| 12:53.50 | ojwb | indeed |
| 12:53.53 | |Kev| | work(mentoring) > work(not mentoring) |
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| 12:55.08 | beng-nl | good point, i admit gsoc isn't about free labour |
| 12:55.24 | beng-nl | i like the mentoring too |
| 12:55.50 | |Kev| | I'm quite keen this year on having a student that *isn't* minimum effort. I'd like to have someone that learns something worthwhile over the summer. |
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| 12:57.04 | |Kev| | I've had one student doing teasers that I've spent some hours with on a teaser task - this was time well spent; they hadn't unit tested before, and learned a bit about that (as well as other things) while writing a patch. I think I could have written the patch myself in about 30mins, but it's good to help people learn something. |
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| 12:57.26 | |Kev| | Just pretend I hadn't forgotten what I wrote at the start of that line by halfway through it :) |
| 12:57.38 | thebolt | :) |
| 12:57.47 | beng-nl | :) |
| 12:58.01 | thebolt | my second year mentoring i had a student which required a lot of time.. but not because he was a bad student or coder but because he was good |
| 12:58.03 | ojwb | sometimes being forced to actually think about something gives you new insights into it |
| 12:58.32 | thebolt | i had to read up on 5/6 dimensional geometry and convex hull generation, a phd in "area-visibility" and some other things to be able to keep up in the discussion |
| 12:59.02 | ramnes | :D |
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| 13:00.02 | thebolt | definitely not a minimum effort student.. |
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| 13:29.05 | socinfo | ihalip|work: "timeline" is http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
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| 14:06.46 | d_ed | Hi, On the Google-melange site I can't see any links to apply to be a mentor. Am I missing something obvious? |
| 14:07.30 | Mek | find an organiztion you want to apply for, and on its page there is an "apply" button, click that, enter your profile infomration, then go back to the org page and click the same apply button again... |
| 14:08.00 | d_ed | aha, thanks. |
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| 14:11.19 | Henek | hi, I have a question regarding signing up as a mentor |
| 14:11.46 | |Kev| | !ask |
| 14:11.46 | socinfo | |Kev|: "ask" is Don't ask to ask, just ask. |
| 14:12.27 | Henek | my street address contains the letters "ä" and "ö", but those are not permitted, what do I do then? |
| 14:12.48 | |Kev| | Use 'a' and 'o'? I'm assuming the postal service will cope, won't they? |
| 14:12.51 | Henek | (I was going to ask it, but I type slowly) |
| 14:12.51 | Piyush | Hello! i am a studentnt and wanted to ask how i can create a site wide user profile so that i can submit applications for gsoc 2011 |
| 14:12.51 | ojwb | move house? |
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| 14:13.15 | Henek | |Kev|: probably, I guess |
| 14:13.32 | Henek | thanks |
| 14:13.55 | ojwb | Henek: it seems US shipping companies just can't cope with odd characters, so sadly you have to represent the address as best you can |
| 14:14.03 | ojwb | even commas seem to confuse them |
| 14:14.22 | Henek | Americans :p |
| 14:14.48 | ojwb | if it's actually likely to be an issue, you could get the t-shirt sent elsewhere I guess |
| 14:16.45 | Henek | It can only be my address in this area so it should not be a problem I guess |
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| 14:21.09 | akashm1990 | !next |
| 14:21.09 | socinfo | akashm1990: "next" is March 28 1900UTC Student application period opens. |
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| 14:22.00 | greeniekin | 10 more hours |
| 14:22.12 | greeniekin | wait no i'm completely lost |
| 14:22.38 | greeniekin | 5 more hours is that right? |
| 14:23.12 | Henek | think it is about six |
| 14:23.28 | ojwb | about 4h37 |
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| 14:23.46 | greeniekin | ojwb, thats what i was thinking |
| 14:23.46 | ojwb | $ date -u |
| 14:23.46 | ojwb | Mon Mar 28 14:23:11 UTC 2011 |
| 14:24.08 | Henek | oh, okej |
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| 14:25.27 | ojwb | will give away a free copy of our software to the first student to submit an application to us |
| 14:25.50 | kai | hehe |
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| 14:26.01 | in3xes | ;) |
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| 14:26.39 | in3xes | Aaargh, whats with new melange? |
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| 14:26.53 | in3xes | nothing works |
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| 14:28.36 | SRabbelier | in3xes: please be more specific? |
| 14:29.55 | in3xes | I have to refresh 3-4 times to load that JS in accepted org page. It is happening every time |
| 14:30.51 | in3xes | I almost sure that its not my internet |
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| 14:31.02 | greeniekin | ojwb, what is your software? |
| 14:31.02 | aghisla | It's like moving in a new house. Everything is there but somewhere else. |
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| 14:31.53 | ojwb | greeniekin: xapian, but the same offer should be valid for any org in gsoc |
| 14:32.18 | ojwb | at least the new melange isn't full of light switches which don't seem to do anything |
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| 14:34.05 | in3xes | guesses ojwb's software's source is open ;) |
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| 14:44.59 | xdxn_ | hello! where is the user profile page of the new GSoC website? |
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| 14:45.19 | drt24 | xdxn_: click on Profile? |
| 14:45.19 | DrJoel | SRabbelier: do you have time for a question (not a gripe)? |
| 14:45.28 | SRabbelier | sure |
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| 14:45.52 | DrJoel | I was trying to take care of your urgent action and have no idea what the format for an IRC link is in html |
| 14:45.59 | drt24 | xdxn_: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/profile/google/gsoc2011 |
| 14:46.03 | drt24 | having logged in |
| 14:46.36 | DrJoel | It is now set to "#rtems on freenode.net" |
| 14:47.01 | |Kev| | DrJoel: irc://freenode.net/rtems, I *think* |
| 14:47.07 | torsten | drt24: when I access that page after logging in it says "This page is inaccessible because you do not have a profile in the program at this time." |
| 14:47.29 | torsten | (me being a student who wants to apply later today) |
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| 14:47.58 | drt24 | torsten: do you get a "My Profile" or "My Dashboard" link if you login and are on the home page |
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| 14:48.13 | torsten | drt24: no |
| 14:48.34 | drt24 | ahh. What do you have then? |
| 14:48.57 | xdxn_ | i think i have the same problem as torsten has |
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| 14:49.21 | drt24 | What links do you have in the orange sidebar? |
| 14:49.21 | DrJoel | |Kev|: That opens gives me the open to use mibbit. so I guess it is Ok. |
| 14:49.21 | torsten | "Home", "About", "Events & Timeline", "Connect With Us", "Help" and "Logout" |
| 14:49.43 | DrJoel | Is the facebook link showing up yet? |
| 14:49.47 | torsten | drt24: I created my account before the website update, might that be the problem? |
| 14:49.53 | beng-nl | DrJoel: hello btw, it's ben from minix :) |
| 14:49.58 | beng-nl | DrJoel: nice to run into you here |
| 14:50.05 | drt24 | torsten: I created my account last year so it shouldn't be a problem |
| 14:50.11 | DrJoel | beng-nl: hey.. saw your boxing pics this weekend |
| 14:50.14 | mimico | I have the same problem that torsten has. |
| 14:50.29 | beng-nl | DrJoel: ahh right the night on the town ;) |
| 14:50.56 | greeniekin | have student application templates been released? |
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| 14:52.20 | DrJoel | hmmm... neither blog nor facebook link is showing up.. |
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| 14:53.39 | fryday | hi everyone |
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| 14:53.59 | fryday | I have a question. How many student places Google provide to each organization? |
| 14:54.09 | xdxn_ | drt24, torsten: is this just because the student application period has not opened yet? |
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| 14:54.23 | |Kev| | fryday: It varies by org, and won't be known until student projects are announced. |
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| 14:55.24 | fryday | |Kev|, thanks. I thought as much |
| 14:55.50 | drt24 | xdxn_: see http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=1151 |
| 14:56.20 | Nightrose | greeniekin: they show here yes |
| 14:57.39 | greeniekin | Nightrose, Show where?? |
| 14:57.50 | Nightrose | on the org profile |
| 14:57.52 | torsten | drt24: ah, thanks! so i guess the profile will be accessible later today then when the application opens |
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| 14:58.53 | Ygor | hi, is still possible to obtain a link_id? |
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| 15:01.23 | KunalAg | dere |
| 15:01.42 | JanisB | I think website change during active GSoC phase isn't good idea... |
| 15:01.53 | Ygor | the link_id form has disappeared in the new layout of GSoC site |
| 15:02.03 | KunalAg | yup |
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| 15:02.15 | KunalAg | it's creating a lot of problem |
| 15:02.23 | KunalAg | for the new users |
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| 15:02.38 | JanisB | not only for new ones, I think for everyone : |
| 15:02.39 | JanisB | :) |
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| 15:02.57 | KunalAg | hmmm |
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| 15:03.30 | JanisB | for example I cannot see my previous year proposals hence cannot use them as inspiration source... |
| 15:03.36 | KunalAg | do we have to send the proposal through the organization site or from this gsoc site |
| 15:03.47 | drt24 | KunalAg: gsoc site |
| 15:04.08 | KunalAg | but there is no link for that |
| 15:04.11 | KunalAg | ? |
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| 15:04.40 | JanisB | Wait until 19:00 |
| 15:04.46 | drt24 | !patience |
| 15:04.47 | socinfo | drt24: "patience" is Patience is very important in GSoC/GCI. Relax and go code something useful. |
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| 15:05.04 | KunalAg | k |
| 15:06.58 | KylePan | For some reason ,I just missed the disscussion time( 18th-27th,Mar). But I notice that as the application deadline is due to 8th April. So I wonder can I use the time left till the end of application deadline to catch up to discussion ideas with orgs and write applications. Is it permitted and any suggestions? Thanks |
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| 15:07.19 | ihalip|work | KylePan: of course |
| 15:07.39 | imploder | KylePan: same here |
| 15:07.40 | ihalip|work | KylePan: get in touch with people! that's about the only suggestion i have |
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| 15:08.23 | KylePan | ok..I'll hurry up!~~ |
| 15:08.24 | vjsamuel | next |
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| 15:09.08 | Ygor | someone know if is still possible to obtain a link_id? or at least the old url to the link_id form? |
| 15:10.34 | ihalip|work | no, sorry :/ |
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| 15:10.56 | dberkholz | Ygor: supposedly if you register as a mentor, you'll get to fill one out on the profile |
| 15:12.09 | KylePan | imploder: so we should both hurry up ..hehe~ |
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| 15:17.11 | Ygor | dberkholz: do you know the url of the register (as a mentor) form? |
| 15:17.43 | imploder | KylePan: IMHO it's not a problem but they say the earliest applications get the most attention and the accepted ones tend to be already in touch for long time... so it lowers the chance |
| 15:18.09 | akashm1990 | !Odds |
| 15:18.09 | socinfo | akashm1990: "Odds" is Odds, chances or probability really do not come into play for GSoC. Rambling off numbers or asking What are the odds of getting accepted... is really quite useless as one's acceptance is not dictated by luck or numbers, but by the quality of your proposal and your skills instead. |
| 15:18.12 | KunalAg | i will first time applying in the gsoc, so can anyone can tell me how much time approximately needed on daily basis at the coding process |
| 15:18.16 | Ygor | dberkholz: I cannot find it since the site has changed |
| 15:18.19 | dberkholz | Ygor: from the main page, view all the orgs, click on one, then click the request button |
| 15:18.25 | akashm1990 | KunalAg: 40 Hrs/week |
| 15:18.42 | Ygor | dberkholz: thank you very much |
| 15:18.49 | imploder | sorry, my native language is Czech, I sometimes mess up words |
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| 15:19.25 | KunalAg | so there is a scope of doing some other job in some company |
| 15:19.46 | akashm1990 | KunalAg: I dont think its advisable to do so |
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| 15:20.07 | dberkholz | KunalAg: strongly discouraged, unless you can prove you've successfully held 2 full-time jobs in the past |
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| 15:21.23 | imploder | I don't think it's about luck but doing it in hurry and with mentors busy is a disadvantage |
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| 15:22.51 | dberkholz | !numapps |
| 15:22.51 | socinfo | dberkholz: "numapps" is 417 mentoring orgs applied and 175 were accepted this year. In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and 151 were accepted; 5539 proposals were submitted by 3464 students, and 1026 were accepted |
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| 15:25.20 | imploder | !help |
| 15:25.20 | socinfo | imploder: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. |
| 15:25.27 | imploder | !commands |
| 15:25.48 | JanisB | !Odds find link_id on current GSoC site |
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| 15:26.05 | JanisB | shoud be 50/50 :>> |
| 15:26.20 | kai | I doubt that |
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| 15:26.34 | JanisB | either you find it or not |
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| 15:26.51 | kai | that doesn't mean it's 50/50 |
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| 15:33.09 | xyzzy | I'm currently in my final year of secondary school (I was 18 in January), and I have accepted conditional offers for university courses starting in September. I'm not sure whether this makes me elligible to participate, could somebody clarify this for me? |
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| 15:33.50 | SRabbelier | !elegible |
| 15:33.54 | SRabbelier | !eligible |
| 15:33.55 | socinfo | SRabbelier: "eligible" is Follow this handy flowchart to see if you are eligible http://goo.gl/kvCSv (text version at http://goo.gl/ImfNT) |
| 15:33.57 | SRabbelier | stupid word |
| 15:34.07 | bobbens | you never get it right :) |
| 15:34.10 | bobbens | maybe you should alias them :P |
| 15:34.17 | aghisla | we should say "gsoccable" |
| 15:34.41 | SRabbelier | grins |
| 15:34.46 | SRabbelier | aghisla: nice one |
| 15:34.54 | SRabbelier | !learn gsoccable as Follow this handy flowchart to see if you are eligible http://goo.gl/kvCSv (text version at http://goo.gl/ImfNT) |
| 15:34.55 | socinfo | SRabbelier: The operation succeeded. |
| 15:34.59 | aghisla | hahaha |
| 15:35.05 | SRabbelier | !learn gsocable as Follow this handy flowchart to see if you are eligible http://goo.gl/kvCSv (text version at http://goo.gl/ImfNT) |
| 15:35.05 | socinfo | SRabbelier: The operation succeeded. |
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| 15:35.10 | imploder | how do y'all know what the !commands are? |
| 15:35.19 | felipevieira | !next |
| 15:35.19 | socinfo | felipevieira: "next" is March 28 1900UTC Student application period opens. |
| 15:35.21 | |Kev| | SRabbelier: What about gsocible? :D |
| 15:35.45 | imploder | for example that there is a !numapps command and what it does |
| 15:35.48 | SRabbelier | |Kev|: lol |
| 15:35.50 | DarkUranium | SRabbelier, well, what about my country which could screw up work for me any moment now? >_< |
| 15:35.55 | chrisql | That's just being picky. :P |
| 15:36.09 | DarkUranium | SRabbelier, (there's a referendum on it at 10th of April, but I bet my govt. will ignore whatever the results anyways) |
| 15:36.21 | SRabbelier | DarkUranium: I don't know what you're asking |
| 15:36.42 | DarkUranium | SRabbelier, basically, if the law gets passed, I wouldn't be able to work in *any* form of IT business as a student |
| 15:36.51 | DarkUranium | SRabbelier, just heavy lifting and working behind the bar =\ |
| 15:36.59 | DarkUranium | (don't ask why, because I've no idea) |
| 15:37.16 | imploder | what country is that? |
| 15:37.25 | SRabbelier | DarkUranium: sorry to hear that |
| 15:37.26 | xyzzy | ok, that's cleared it up for me, thanks |
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| 15:37.45 | bobbens | DarkUranium: no need to declare :) |
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| 15:38.05 | DarkUranium | imploder, Slovenia |
| 15:38.12 | DarkUranium | imploder, (not to be mixed with Slovakia) |
| 15:38.13 | aghisla | see you later, all |
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| 15:38.43 | DarkUranium | imploder, they want to pass all sorts of weird laws... the one before this was that it would be illegal to help your neighbour in any way (say, help him build a house) |
| 15:38.45 | KylePan | same question as imploder, where to find the command in !command? |
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| 15:39.04 | DarkUranium | imploder, because it would be considered as working illegaly |
| 15:39.28 | bobbens | DarkUranium: 30% of the PIB in spain is done "under the counter" :) |
| 15:39.38 | chrisql | Oh hey, does anyone here have more experience with irssi than me? For some reason I managed to configure it so that all chat gets redirected to window 1, the [(status)] window. I have no idea how it happened, and no idea how to fix it. :) |
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| 15:39.47 | DarkUranium | bobbens, PIB? |
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| 15:39.55 | bobbens | ah, bloody acronyms |
| 15:39.55 | SRabbelier | KylePan: msg the bot |
| 15:39.57 | vh4x0r | !numapps |
| 15:39.57 | socinfo | vh4x0r: "numapps" is 417 mentoring orgs applied and 175 were accepted this year. In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and 151 were accepted; 5539 proposals were submitted by 3464 students, and 1026 were accepted |
| 15:39.57 | DarkUranium | bobbens, anyways, I don't think Google would like me working under the counter :P |
| 15:39.59 | bobbens | interior gross product |
| 15:40.03 | bobbens | I think |
| 15:40.09 | bobbens | PIB = producto interior bruto |
| 15:40.15 | bobbens | I hate how all the acronyms are messed around |
| 15:40.19 | bobbens | EDO -> ODE |
| 15:40.19 | imploder | DarkUranium: that's weird, I thought it was some kind of repressive country. surprised to hear that :-/ |
| 15:40.20 | bobbens | etc.. |
| 15:40.45 | DarkUranium | imploder, yeah, we're in the European Union and NATO and stuff... |
| 15:40.57 | DarkUranium | imploder, if we weren't, you might as well call it one <_< |
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| 15:41.24 | DarkUranium | imploder, I guess, accidentially repressive... They don't mean to do that (or maybe they do), but they obviously don't realize the stupidity of the laws |
| 15:41.39 | DarkUranium | imploder, oh and, when a law can't be passed because of the constitution, they'd rather go and amend the constitution |
| 15:41.46 | DarkUranium | </rant> |
| 15:41.52 | bobbens | that's not really different to any other country :) |
| 15:42.29 | DarkUranium | bobbens, making thousands of the country students not able to do what they're, you know, LEARNING to do is different, I'd say |
| 15:42.43 | bobbens | I was referring to the constitution bit |
| 15:42.50 | DarkUranium | ah |
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| 15:43.01 | DarkUranium | well, different or not, it's wrong |
| 15:43.21 | DarkUranium | they should have rather asked themselves *why* is it against the constitution and why does the constitution prohibit that |
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| 15:44.10 | imploder | DarkUranium: could you post some link to that? I'm curious what it says... I guess it's not targeted on IT specifically. |
| 15:44.11 | imploder | (here (czech republioc) we know slovenia as the most developed country of former yugoslavia (without much problems in bussiness)) |
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| 15:44.42 | DarkUranium | imploder, well, it's been going downhill pretty much |
| 15:44.47 | imploder | DarkUranium: if it's against the constitution now, it is legal. the constitution has priority. |
| 15:44.58 | DarkUranium | imploder, the work thing is not, AFAIK |
| 15:45.25 | DarkUranium | imploder, and it'd be difficult to find links (in English language) about this |
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| 15:45.33 | DarkUranium | imploder, BTW, I've been to the Czech Republic :P |
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| 15:45.51 | DarkUranium | imploder, oh and if you're wondering why it's been going downhill, it's stupid laws like this |
| 15:46.58 | DarkUranium | imploder, the upside to the new law would be that the work I'd do here would count towards the total work (for pension later on) |
| 15:47.09 | DarkUranium | imploder, but where's the point if I won't be able to do programming or stuff like that? |
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| 15:47.46 | imploder | sorry to hear that. so it's a law that limits in which industry students can get employed? link in slovenian should be fine, I think (maybe with google translator -- the languages are similar) |
| 15:47.49 | DarkUranium | imploder: Let's just say that I study computer science (or anything at all, for that matter) for a reason |
| 15:48.01 | DarkUranium | imploder, yeah, pretty much |
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| 15:48.26 | DarkUranium | imploder, basically, specialized jobs (as in, ones requiring higher education than breathing, eating, drinking and sleeping) would not be available anymore |
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| 15:49.10 | DarkUranium | imploder, oh and, there's another problem |
| 15:49.19 | DarkUranium | imploder, the max amount of time I'd be able to do per year would be severly limited |
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| 15:49.48 | DarkUranium | imploder, so either I'd only be able to work a small portion of GSoC *or* I'd have to convince someone to write less hours, but higher pay per hour |
| 15:49.58 | DrJoel | OK.. how to edit tags in new UI? It isn't a field in the edit organization profile page. :( |
| 15:50.02 | DarkUranium | and I think nobody would agree with 2nd <_< |
| 15:50.10 | drt24 | DrJoel: there is a bug report for that |
| 15:50.26 | DrJoel | ahh.. and I hope for the missing facebook and blog link in the profile page? |
| 15:50.36 | DarkUranium | imploder, just found it, max 14 hours a week |
| 15:50.59 | DarkUranium | imploder, or 728 hours a year (whichever comes first) |
| 15:51.31 | DarkUranium | imploder, ah, and the "higher pay per hour" trick wouldn't work - max is 8 EUR per hour (wtf, I already earn 10 per hour...) |
| 15:51.40 | DarkUranium | (didn't know that last one O_O) |
| 15:52.15 | DarkUranium | also limited are the number of people a corporation can employ |
| 15:52.23 | DarkUranium | (no more than 30%) |
| 15:52.37 | DarkUranium | not too applicable for Google, but very important locally |
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| 15:54.05 | drt24 | DarkUranium: time to right long letters to the relevant elected representatives? |
| 15:54.21 | chrisql | What, that sounds like they're trying to turn all businesses into small enterprises and increase manual labour jobs. |
| 15:54.32 | DarkUranium | drt24, the president has no power here |
| 15:54.52 | imploder | DarkUranium: I guess you can't start a personal bussiness ("živnostenský list") either. here the laws got better in this before, for example if you wanted to make websites you needed to specify what you do exactly (but in reality people just check everything in the "free" category (i.e. without needing qualification); now there's just one unified category for all previously free ones. not sure if this is potentially relevant for gsoc th |
| 15:55.22 | DarkUranium | imploder, well, I could start a personal business (I think?) but I'd lose my scholarship |
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| 15:55.44 | luizribeiro | I see that GSoC work can be used to obtain course credit on universities. Does anyone know how much working hours are taken in account? I mean, is GSoC supposed to be a 20 hours/week internship? |
| 15:56.06 | dberkholz | luizribeiro: full time, closer to 40 than 20 |
| 15:56.17 | imploder | DarkUranium: sorry I need to leave. see you. |
| 15:56.23 | DarkUranium | later o/ |
| 15:56.53 | DarkUranium | imploder, BTW, if you're still around |
| 15:57.04 | DarkUranium | know anyone I could contact regarding this law? In case it gets passed? |
| 15:57.08 | luizribeiro | dberkholz: awesome. can I get credit for GSoC as my mandatory internship, then? |
| 15:57.10 | DarkUranium | I'd like to sort things out |
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| 15:57.32 | |Kev| | luizribeiro: I believe that that's covered by the FAQ isn't it? |
| 15:57.33 | bobbens | luizribeiro: depends on how your university handles it |
| 15:57.36 | |Kev| | !faq |
| 15:57.36 | socinfo | |Kev|: "faq" is http://goo.gl/Up2Qf |
| 15:57.37 | dberkholz | luizribeiro: if your school lets you. google can provide certificates |
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| 15:58.04 | luizribeiro | |Kev|: the FAQ covers course credit, not mandatory internships |
| 15:58.21 | |Kev| | luizribeiro: Well, what's the difference? |
| 15:58.26 | luizribeiro | dberkholz: hmmm, I see. thank you! |
| 15:59.01 | |Kev| | luizribeiro: Google say they'll provide documentation saying you took part once you pass the final eval. If that's enough for you, yes, otherwise I would assume no. |
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| 16:00.08 | DarkUranium | sooo er, anyone from Google here? >_< |
| 16:00.19 | luizribeiro | |Kev|: well, I thought "course credit" would count as complementary activities in my college and couldn't be seen as a mandatory internship. this is probably some bureaucratic issue in my college, I'm not sure about it. |
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| 16:00.30 | luizribeiro | anyway, I was just asking out of curiosity. thanks for the info guys :) |
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| 16:00.46 | drt24 | DarkUranium: you could ask carols if she is around. |
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| 16:01.15 | DarkUranium | drt24, nope |
| 16:01.16 | DarkUranium | * carols :No such nick/channel |
| 16:01.16 | DarkUranium | * [carols] End of WHOIS list. |
| 16:01.29 | drt24 | DarkUranium: from wikipedia it seemed to say that there is an elected National Council or similar and perhaps you could write to people from that or the ministers responsible or similar |
| 16:01.49 | drt24 | but I know nothing of the political situation so I am probably being silly |
| 16:01.54 | DarkUranium | drt24, there's been protests about that |
| 16:02.01 | DarkUranium | drt24, ...ignored protests... |
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| 16:03.50 | hzroot | student applications started? |
| 16:04.02 | drt24 | DarkUranium: :-( increase volume until ignoring ceases to be an option? |
| 16:04.15 | drt24 | I am probably going offtopic now though. |
| 16:04.27 | DarkUranium | drt24, they did when they started throwing rocks through the parliament windows |
| 16:04.34 | DarkUranium | drt24, somehow I think that was counter-productive though... |
| 16:05.09 | DarkUranium | drt24, anyways, referndums are often ignored (we have plenty a year, the only thing keeping the govt. kinda in check, and they wanted to limit even THOSE), so... |
| 16:05.10 | drt24 | mmm in general breaking things only irritates people. |
| 16:05.30 | DarkUranium | well, it made the group look like a bunch of baboons who only want to break things |
| 16:05.35 | DarkUranium | as opposed to concerned students or w/e |
| 16:05.53 | DarkUranium | the country's really odd... they want to solve economic problems by FORBIDDING work? |
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| 16:06.54 | DarkUranium | drt24, oh and, they wanted to dismiss the anti-corruption comitee |
| 16:07.03 | DarkUranium | drt24, stuff like that... |
| 16:07.45 | DarkUranium | (a few months later, a politician was caught taking a huge sum of money as a bribe, so the reason for the "dismissal" became even more obvious) |
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| 16:09.27 | DarkUranium | drt24, there's also plenty of other dumb things, like adding more foreign programmes to the national TV, because of a minority which isn't even officially recognized as one... |
| 16:09.51 | DarkUranium | drt24, and they also wanted to forbid by law any images or uses (industrial uses -- like naval ropes -- included) of mariuana |
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| 16:15.00 | chx | Hi. May i ask my fellow mentors for feedback on http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/google/gsoc2011/drupal ? it's very different from what we did before so I am quite anxious about it. |
| 16:15.02 | DarkUranium | drt24, how much does GSoC pay per hour anyways? (I wonder because of the law) |
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| 16:15.27 | |Kev| | DarkUranium: It doesn't pay per hour. |
| 16:15.47 | drt24 | DarkUranium: it pays a stipend or similar concept |
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| 16:16.16 | |Kev| | If you were to assume it was paying out at an average hourly rate over 12 40 hour weeks, it'd be $10.40/hour. But it doesn't. |
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| 16:18.48 | dberkholz | if you decided to include the community bonding period too, you could drop that by 25% or so |
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| 16:20.29 | DarkUranium | drt24, well, how much does it amount to per hour? |
| 16:20.34 | DarkUranium | or |Kev| |
| 16:20.47 | DarkUranium | (the new law will also forbid fixed-price work) |
| 16:20.57 | |Kev| | Surely you can do the maths yourself? |
| 16:21.08 | DarkUranium | |Kev|, not if I don't know the total price |
| 16:21.26 | DarkUranium | okay, x / 12 / 40 |
| 16:21.30 | DarkUranium | now what's x? |
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| 16:22.21 | drt24 | last year it was $5000 |
| 16:22.34 | DarkUranium | okay, thanks |
| 16:22.39 | greeniekin | DarkUranium, gsoc pays 5000 to you if you succeed in your project |
| 16:22.49 | ghost_razor | can anybody give me more info about coreboot |
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| 16:22.50 | DarkUranium | greeniekin, well, let's assume I succeed |
| 16:22.59 | |Kev| | !anyone |
| 16:22.59 | socinfo | |Kev|: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. Try searching for the org's contact info or even just try a /join #<mentoring org here> |
| 16:23.01 | |Kev| | ghost_razor: ^ |
| 16:24.21 | ghost_razor | kk |
| 16:24.23 | ghost_razor | thanks |
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| 16:24.54 | chx | i thought gsoc pays you 4500 and 500 to the org |
| 16:25.09 | |Kev| | chx: It did, at one point. |
| 16:25.34 | chx | so I am behind :) ? can be |
| 16:25.40 | bobbens | last year was first |
| 16:25.43 | bobbens | I didn't realize it |
| 16:25.48 | bobbens | until I got paid |
| 16:25.52 | chx | ah |
| 16:26.05 | chx | so many years, didnt realize that :) |
| 16:26.09 | bobbens | in fact I wasn't sure it was a mistake |
| 16:26.13 | bobbens | but never got around to asking |
| 16:26.18 | DarkUranium | lol |
| 16:26.23 | DarkUranium | THIEF! |
| 16:26.25 | DarkUranium | pokes bobbens |
| 16:26.28 | DarkUranium | runs and hides |
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| 16:27.28 | saksham | !me tesing scripos |
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| 16:28.06 | nitish | there should be a timer sort of countdown in the gsoc app for showing time remaining before we can start sending our application. |
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| 16:28.30 | bobbens | nitish: just watch irc |
| 16:28.41 | bobbens | it's not like you have to submit it today |
| 16:28.50 | nitish | wont that be handy? :) |
| 16:29.21 | nitish | bobbens, its 28th march 9:59PM in India :) |
| 16:29.47 | nitish | 3 hours more and its 29th |
| 16:29.47 | nitish | 2 hours :D |
| 16:30.18 | chx | so no feedback on http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/google/gsoc2011/drupal :) ? |
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| 16:31.21 | DrJoel | chx: nice! |
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| 16:32.03 | DrJoel | chx: obvious you guys are web wizards and we live in the deep dark recesses of embedded computing without a UI |
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| 16:32.29 | chx | lol |
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| 16:33.07 | hzroot | does student applicaitons started? |
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| 16:35.59 | azus | morning |
| 16:36.26 | DarkUranium | hi |
| 16:36.35 | azus | hi DU |
| 16:36.36 | DarkUranium | hzroot, I believe they start at 19:00 UTC |
| 16:36.39 | DarkUranium | not sure tho |
| 16:36.58 | hzroot | huh |
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| 16:37.03 | hzroot | thnx |
| 16:37.12 | azus | hi hzroot |
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| 16:37.32 | hzroot | hi |
| 16:37.50 | azus | wru from? |
| 16:37.53 | DrJoel | chx: do you have time for a stupid drupal question? |
| 16:38.02 | chx | no |
| 16:38.11 | DrJoel | ok ... thanks |
| 16:38.16 | chx | there are great Drupal channels to ask |
| 16:38.21 | DrJoel | ok |
| 16:38.30 | azus | hzroot: wru from? |
| 16:38.43 | hzroot | turkey. why? |
| 16:39.01 | azus | hzroot: simply asked |
| 16:39.16 | hzroot | : ) ok |
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| 16:39.28 | azus | hzroot: :) |
| 16:39.50 | azus | hzroot: which field are u interested in? |
| 16:40.12 | hzroot | postgresql |
| 16:40.20 | hzroot | and u? |
| 16:40.31 | azus | hzroot: c and c++ |
| 16:40.52 | hzroot | goodluck ;) |
| 16:41.09 | azus | hzroot: same to u :) |
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| 16:42.55 | greeniekin | i was wondering i have been writing 2 proposals . i figured as a rule i shouldn't go over 1 page per proposal. have a short description with milestones(and estimated week of completion). Is this the right approach |
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| 16:43.26 | |Kev| | greeniekin: The orgs will have their own app templates, it should be possible to imply how much content they want from these. |
| 16:43.37 | |Kev| | (If they ask 3487204569439247 questions, they probably want more than a page) |
| 16:43.44 | hzroot | : ) |
| 16:43.50 | |Kev| | The 'best' approach doesn't exist, though, it'll be a per-org thing. |
| 16:44.11 | bobbens | I still dislike the move to templates :P |
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| 16:44.19 | bobbens | feels too... automated and impersonal :) |
| 16:44.21 | |Kev| | I very much don't. |
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| 16:44.39 | bobbens | I remember the first year they did the move |
| 16:44.53 | bobbens | I had prepared proposals and was like "huh" when I saw all these questions written for me :P |
| 16:44.53 | chx | greeniekin: put yourself in my place. In a two weeks, I have 150-200 applciations to go through |
| 16:44.56 | bobbens | had to toss them out :) |
| 16:45.06 | chx | greeniekin: you need to sell yourself and your idea too |
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| 16:45.27 | chx | greeniekin: this is not the time to be overly terse. Of course, writing War & Peace is not asked for either but.... |
| 16:46.12 | greeniekin | chx, the org i'm looking at has had 7 people intrested. so i shouldn't worry about being too short |
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| 16:46.27 | chx | well, easier for them :) |
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| 16:46.37 | chx | so yeah very org specific. |
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| 16:47.00 | bobbens | number increases a lot |
| 16:47.05 | bobbens | before the deadline :) |
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| 16:48.28 | greeniekin | that is tue. it's very frustrating. i've been following my org for months about gsoc. now all these other people are trying to stell me proposals lol. |
| 16:48.42 | greeniekin | *steal |
| 16:48.56 | MostAwesomeDude | greeniekin: If your name is already known to your org, then you already have a leg up. |
| 16:49.00 | bobbens | ignore other people |
| 16:49.07 | bobbens | just focus on doing your job (tm) |
| 16:49.16 | bobbens | MostAwesomeDude: whoa, you're here? applying to x.org I presume? :) |
| 16:49.23 | bobbens | or mentoring :P |
| 16:49.39 | greeniekin | yah i do |
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| 16:51.27 | MostAwesomeDude | bobbens: I'm in all channels, apparently. |
| 16:51.33 | sunlord | Hi...anyone there? |
| 16:51.40 | MostAwesomeDude | bobbens: Probably mentoring OSUOSL. I'll also mentor X.org if needed. |
| 16:52.16 | bobbens | mmm |
| 16:52.23 | bobbens | yeah, freenode is surprisingly small |
| 16:52.30 | bobbens | I meet thes ame people over and over in different channels :P |
| 16:52.46 | bobbens | so I'm guessing you graduated already? :) |
| 16:53.05 | sunlord | 1st time here actually....total IRC noob |
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| 16:53.27 | bobbens | sunlord: irc is pretty easy to get around |
| 16:53.42 | MostAwesomeDude | bobbens: Nah; I just don't feel like being a student. I'm way better at telling people how to write code for money, than at writing code for money myself. |
| 16:53.46 | sunlord | yeah, already made my 1st friend :P |
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| 16:54.15 | bobbens | MostAwesomeDude: ah, well since I didn't make the cut for scholarship to work on stuff this summer I have had to resort to gsoc :) |
| 16:54.19 | bobbens | would have enjoyed being a mentor :) |
| 16:54.38 | bobbens | it's also a good way to meet new projects and people :) |
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| 16:55.53 | sunlord | bobbens: so are you a student> |
| 16:55.56 | bobbens | yes |
| 16:56.02 | sunlord | cool |
| 16:56.11 | sunlord | me too... |
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| 16:57.01 | sunlord | how many proposals are you going to turn in? |
| 16:57.20 | bobbens | 2-3 |
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| 16:57.59 | |Kev| | SRabbelier: would you like to discuss buglets here or in #melange? |
| 16:58.17 | SRabbelier | |Kev|: I think #melange would be better, less spam for the #gsocs |
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| 16:59.29 | sunlord | bobbens: is this your first gsoc |
| 16:59.34 | bobbens | 4th |
| 16:59.42 | sunlord | wow! |
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| 17:00.16 | sunlord | so what projects did u work on previously |
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| 17:00.40 | bobbens | SDL - haptic api, SDL - automated test suit, ESA - interplanetary 3d trajectory visualizer |
| 17:01.29 | sunlord | cool stuff... |
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| 17:01.50 | bobbens | t'was fun |
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| 17:02.10 | dberkholz | sam's a good guy |
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| 17:02.16 | bobbens | definately |
| 17:02.16 | sunlord | so how is the entire experience |
| 17:02.18 | bobbens | brave too |
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| 17:02.24 | bobbens | dberkholz: you heard of what he's done now? :) |
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| 17:02.37 | bobbens | sunlord: worthwhile, I recommend you dive into crazy projects |
| 17:02.39 | dberkholz | nope, we just run into each other once a year or so |
| 17:02.42 | bobbens | stuff that you're interested |
| 17:03.01 | bobbens | dberkholz: quit his job at blizzard, fulltime on SDL + galaxy gameworks (commercial support/license for SDL) |
| 17:03.23 | dberkholz | good for him |
| 17:03.31 | bobbens | good for SDL :) |
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| 17:06.04 | ashish_s | What's the link for list of participating organisations of 2011? Old link socghop.appspot.com is taking me to a beautiful site that doesn't seem to have what I seek. |
| 17:06.17 | mew2 | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2011 |
| 17:06.25 | dberkholz | ashish_s: click "See all participating organizations" on that page |
| 17:06.32 | SITZ | !link |
| 17:07.05 | SITZ | !list |
| 17:07.05 | socinfo | SITZ: Admin, Channel, Config, Factoids, Misc, Owner, and User |
| 17:07.21 | ashish_s | thanks mew2 |
| 17:07.24 | kusa | hi all |
| 17:07.32 | kusa | is student application still open? |
| 17:07.42 | gevaerts | No. It's not open *yet* |
| 17:07.44 | mew2 | ashish_s: my pleasure |
| 17:07.46 | SITZ | it has not started yet |
| 17:08.05 | DarkUranium | carols! where's carols! |
| 17:08.12 | kusa | okay ^^ |
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| 17:08.43 | gevaerts | If everything goes well, it will be open in one hour and fifty one minutes :) |
| 17:08.55 | sunlord | have read that it's best to submit a proposal early...how true is that? |
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| 17:09.11 | dberkholz | that was weird timing |
| 17:09.14 | dberkholz | 17:08 <DarkUraniu > carols! where's carols! |
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| 17:09.21 | DarkUranium | lol |
| 17:09.24 | carols | hi dberkholz |
| 17:09.28 | DarkUranium | hey carols |
| 17:09.29 | MostAwesomeDude | carols: <3 |
| 17:09.33 | sumanah | sunlord: I think it is better, yes |
| 17:09.33 | dberkholz | carols: nice esp skills |
| 17:09.33 | carols | hey everyone |
| 17:09.36 | gevaerts | Good morning! |
| 17:09.43 | carols | dberkholz: it's part of the job. |
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| 17:09.46 | gevaerts | serves tea, coffee, and cookies |
| 17:09.46 | sumanah | sunlord: because that way you can update it in response to the organization's suggestions |
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| 17:10.04 | DarkUranium | carols, mind if I contact you privately regarding something? |
| 17:10.08 | sunlord | sumanah: k... |
| 17:10.14 | carols | DarkUranium: no, go right ahead |
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| 17:11.14 | Pranav_rcmas | There should be an socinfo option like !utc or something. |
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| 17:11.39 | JanisB | Pranav_rcmas, http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/ |
| 17:11.43 | bobbens | Pranav_rcmas: would take all teh fun out of time zone chaos :) |
| 17:12.15 | sunlord | sumanah: i mentioned cuz i noticed that many submissions occur at the last moment...guess a lot of people dont know |
| 17:12.18 | Pranav_rcmas | JanisB, I know :) Just a suggestion to make things easier |
| 17:12.19 | dberkholz | Pranav_rcmas: i configure my irc client to show utc time |
| 17:12.28 | sumanah | I am a bit frustrated that so many students think of a project ideas page as though it were scripture, instead of using it as a jumping-off point and developing their own unique feature proposals |
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| 17:13.14 | dberkholz | sumanah: i think that the later students show up, the more likely that is to happen. you're mainly gonna get really original ideas from people who have been in your community for a while |
| 17:13.14 | sumanah | sunlord: yes, they don't think ahead, or they mean to finish earlier, but find it more difficult & time-consuming than they had expected? |
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| 17:13.51 | sumanah | dberkholz: that does indeed seem to be a factor |
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| 17:14.41 | sunlord | sumanah: agreed...just drafted my 1st proposal, took far more time and effort than i expected |
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| 17:19.28 | Peter___ | Is there a problem if being employed in a company and participating in GSoC 2011 ? Of cource I'm a full time student as well |
| 17:19.46 | bobbens | theoretically no, in practice it won't work |
| 17:19.49 | sumanah | Peter___: how many hours/week is your employment? |
| 17:19.54 | |Kev| | There is no problem being employed. |
| 17:19.54 | Peter___ | 40 |
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| 17:20.01 | hypatia | Peter___: you're expected to do 30-40 hours a week for GSoC. it will simply not be possible to be a full-time student. let alone full time with another job. |
| 17:20.03 | |Kev| | There *is* a problem if you're spending time on the job. |
| 17:20.09 | dotnick | even if you could make it work I don't think the org would like that |
| 17:20.11 | hypatia | there aren't enough hours in the day. |
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| 17:20.22 | |Kev| | You shouldn't have any other commitments of significance over the summer. |
| 17:20.26 | MostAwesomeDude | lh: Oh hi. |
| 17:20.34 | Peter___ | There all kinds of people. I'm just fine in working 15-16 a day |
| 17:20.35 | |Kev| | (I guess you could get away with a few hours on a bar job or such, but that's about it) |
| 17:20.41 | Peter___ | no problem for me to do 40 at both places |
| 17:20.52 | MostAwesomeDude | Yeah, you really shouldn't take classes or another job. Treat this as a full-time job. |
| 17:20.54 | Peter___ | the question was rather is there any legal problem / limitation |
| 17:21.08 | |Kev| | Peter___: Well, you came in here and asked 'is this a problem?' we said yes, and you're telling us there isn't. Why ask in the first place? |
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| 17:21.18 | hypatia | Peter___: you're full-time employed, and full-time student? you can't do gsoc. not enough time. |
| 17:21.22 | MostAwesomeDude | (In the US, the stipend works out to roughly a minimum-wage full-time job, so this isn't too unreasonable.) |
| 17:21.25 | sumanah | students who have not participated in our FLOSS project before also have trouble coping with *changes* in the ideas list, and on the whole act as though they are applying for pre-existing, pre-defined jobs rather than initiating proposals & partnering with the community |
| 17:21.28 | azus | kai: hi |
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| 17:22.06 | azus | can anyone tell me about the Boost libraries project |
| 17:22.17 | hypatia | !anyone |
| 17:22.17 | |Kev| | !anyone |
| 17:22.17 | socinfo | |Kev|: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. Try searching for the org's contact info or even just try a /join #<mentoring org here> |
| 17:22.18 | socinfo | hypatia: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. Try searching for the org's contact info or even just try a /join #<mentoring org here> |
| 17:22.23 | Peter___ | oks so all conserns are about having the time right ? |
| 17:22.24 | hypatia | oops :) |
| 17:22.31 | Peter___ | thanks for the info |
| 17:22.35 | hypatia | Peter___: can you do basic math? |
| 17:22.43 | Peter___ | I can try to yes |
| 17:22.44 | Peter___ | :) |
| 17:22.58 | hypatia | 40 hours job + 30 hours school + 30 hours gsoc = 100 hours/week |
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| 17:23.03 | hypatia | when will you sleep? |
| 17:23.07 | azus | join #boost |
| 17:23.14 | Peter___ | there is no school during SGoC |
| 17:23.19 | hypatia | azus: /join #boost |
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| 17:23.20 | Peter___ | it's during the summer after all right |
| 17:23.32 | |Kev| | Peter___: The concern isn't just about time. |
| 17:23.33 | hypatia | Peter___: oh, sorry, i thought you said you had full time school |
| 17:23.42 | Peter___ | No I'm a student |
| 17:23.45 | Peter___ | and employee |
| 17:23.48 | azus | hypatia: thanx |
| 17:24.08 | Peter___ | but yes both are full-time and is hard to manage both I admit |
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| 17:24.20 | hypatia | Peter___: so you do have school full time in the summer? i am confused |
| 17:24.21 | Peter___ | my question was are there any rules to forbit this |
| 17:24.30 | Peter___ | otherwise thanks for the conserns about my time |
| 17:24.39 | bobbens | Peter___: make sure you tell the orgs beforehand you have another job |
| 17:24.42 | |Kev| | Peter___: There's a problem with focus as well, and the FAQ does say No, don't do this. |
| 17:24.56 | hypatia | Peter___: these concerns aren't for nothing. you /will/ fail your project if you are doing two other things full time if you try. |
| 17:25.06 | Peter___ | hypatia |
| 17:25.13 | Peter___ | it would be one other thing |
| 17:25.18 | Peter___ | work + GSoC |
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| 17:25.28 | Peter___ | no school during summer |
| 17:25.33 | hypatia | Peter___: ok. gotcha. that's still too much. |
| 17:25.39 | eoc | see, you even do not write GSoC + work |
| 17:25.42 | Peter___ | and school time can be decresed |
| 17:25.42 | hypatia | Peter___: you can't have a full time job and do GSoC. |
| 17:25.45 | |Kev| | Peter___: "you should expect your project to be your primary focus this summer." |
| 17:25.45 | Peter___ | if needed |
| 17:25.46 | eoc | wrong focus. |
| 17:25.47 | |Kev| | From the FAQ. |
| 17:26.06 | Peter___ | @Kev right that's not a problem |
| 17:26.27 | eoc | be honest about it to organizations and see if they still choose you |
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| 17:26.39 | Peter___ | right I see |
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| 17:27.13 | Peter___ | well I hope I still get the chance as I'm really excited to do FOSS work :) |
| 17:27.28 | bobbens | you can do it anyway without pay :) |
| 17:27.43 | sumanah | Peter___: or you could ask your employers whether you could take a leave of absence for the summer |
| 17:27.44 | hypatia | Peter___: you say it's not a problem. we say it /is/ a problem because we have seen students fail in previous years, consistently, for trying to work full time while doing GSoC. |
| 17:27.45 | Peter___ | good point |
| 17:27.55 | eoc | see it as: else you occupy the slot of somebody that can completely dedicate time to projects |
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| 17:28.25 | chx | If you think just because you carried a univ besides a full time job you can also carry gsoc then you do not realize what gsoc entails :) |
| 17:28.48 | Peter___ | true |
| 17:28.55 | chx | i can remember at least two years of my univ carreer when there were months i have not set foot on campus :) |
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| 17:29.03 | MostAwesomeDude | It depends. |
| 17:29.18 | MostAwesomeDude | We tell you to not do it because it's better to err on the side of not having enough to do. |
| 17:29.21 | dayoung | chx: how about a full time job + thesis + defense + double full time load of a grad =) |
| 17:30.02 | chx | dayoung: i guess depends on the person / situation |
| 17:30.15 | dayoung | I know I know, I'm just playing |
| 17:30.20 | CrawfordComeaux | What are some of the difficulties encountered when a student & their mentor are in very separate timezones? |
| 17:30.21 | Peter___ | ok another question. |
| 17:30.31 | Peter___ | Is it too late for starting to approach mentors |
| 17:30.38 | |Kev| | It is not. |
| 17:30.40 | anth_x | certainly not. |
| 17:30.41 | bobbens | not until the bell rings |
| 17:30.42 | Peter___ | most of the people have already discussed deeply the ideas with mentors |
| 17:30.48 | Peter___ | and are now writing the proposals |
| 17:31.03 | bobbens | and? |
| 17:31.06 | dayoung | so learn from their proposal, and expand more |
| 17:31.20 | |Kev| | You don't want to leave it long, particularly if you want to get a good impresion in by writing some code before your application is judged, but there is time. |
| 17:31.21 | hypatia | yeah, definitley not too late. |
| 17:31.38 | imploder | I think you could do gsoc during weekdays and other work during weekends (if that's possible to do just on weekends). I definitely wouldn't do it though - it would mean having absolutely no free time. |
| 17:31.56 | Peter___ | I'm usually that way :) |
| 17:32.05 | Peter___ | so no worries about that |
| 17:32.27 | redheadphones | MostAwesomeDude, corbin! it's d-_-b from pdx |
| 17:32.29 | Peter___ | I've been doing many side projects before when having time (yet much smaller then GSoC :) ) |
| 17:32.42 | chx | CrawfordComeaux: i constantly work with people nine timezones away |
| 17:32.46 | chx | CrawfordComeaux: it's not a biggie |
| 17:32.48 | bobbens | Peter___: I said that and look at me, I'm developing carpal tunnel :) |
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| 17:32.52 | MostAwesomeDude | redheadphones: Oh hi. Applying this year? |
| 17:32.55 | imploder | then I think you can go for it. |
| 17:32.57 | dbs | is amazed that people who can't unsubscribe from the mailing list also can't set a filter to just discard mail from the list before it hits their inbox |
| 17:32.59 | chx | CrawfordComeaux: ah, i answered you on the mailing list too |
| 17:33.08 | redheadphones | MostAwesomeDude, yep, looking at buildbot now |
| 17:33.14 | MostAwesomeDude | Yay buildbot. |
| 17:33.18 | dbs | buildbot++ |
| 17:33.25 | hrishikesh | !next |
| 17:33.25 | socinfo | hrishikesh: "next" is March 28 1900UTC Student application period opens. |
| 17:33.27 | redheadphones | looks like some fun stuff |
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| 17:33.53 | |Kev| | Buildbot is mean. |
| 17:33.54 | CrawfordComeaux | chx: hehe thanks :) Figured I'd ask in here as well, but at least it'll be available for others to read in mailing list |
| 17:34.03 | |Kev| | It keeps saying nasty things about my commits. |
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| 17:34.39 | chx | CrawfordComeaux: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meeting.html |
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| 17:34.44 | chx | CrawfordComeaux: invaluable. |
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| 17:37.10 | chx | CrawfordComeaux: The only thing that requires super careful planning is when you are in North America and have teammates in Asia and Europe both |
| 17:37.34 | chx | CrawfordComeaux: that's a very very serious challenge . Doable but requires planning ahead. The meeting planner I linked is your friend. |
| 17:37.36 | bobbens | CrawfordComeaux: send your student caffeine pills :) |
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| 17:38.07 | chx | CrawfordComeaux: and yes, it might require that someone (who is not you!) stays up / gets up early. Once again: not you. Avoid burnout. |
| 17:38.22 | SITZ | !next |
| 17:38.22 | socinfo | SITZ: "next" is March 28 1900UTC Student application period opens. |
| 17:38.38 | |Kev| | Easiest thing is just for students to adjust their schedules by a few hours, imo. |
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| 17:38.49 | |Kev| | Most are quite happy to get up at midday anyway :) |
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| 17:38.57 | bobbens | it depends a lot on the project and habits |
| 17:39.04 | bobbens | and you can always stick to email communication :) |
| 17:39.17 | hiemanshu | or IRC with bouncers/screen |
| 17:39.25 | azus | bobbens: can help me dude? |
| 17:39.31 | |Kev| | I can't imagine only communicating asynchronously with a student I was mentoring. |
| 17:39.41 | bobbens | azus: mmm? |
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| 17:42.12 | azus | bobbens: can suggest me some orgs better suited for c programmers? |
| 17:42.39 | Triskelios | azus: "c" is a tag you can use |
| 17:42.57 | azus | bobbens: i am good at both c and c++.. but i don't know what org to choose |
| 17:43.11 | CrawfordComeaux | chx: yeah...I think I'm going to try to get one or two others to also make themselves available at odd hours, though if I wind up not mentoring, flying solo for that won't be too big of an issue :) |
| 17:43.27 | hiemanshu | azus: look through the tags, look about the orgs, look at the ideas list and decide what excites you |
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| 17:44.08 | azus | triskelios: i went through those orgs.. but which one do u think is easy for c , c++ programmers? |
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| 17:44.35 | bobbens | I don't look at easy orgs |
| 17:44.37 | bobbens | I like challenges :) |
| 17:44.53 | hiemanshu | yeah, something that you probably have to do from the ground up |
| 17:44.54 | azus | hiemanshu: i am excited about boost,,, but those guys are saying boosts got nothing to do with c++ |
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| 17:45.08 | wtachi | azus: what? Boost has everything to do with C++ |
| 17:45.09 | hiemanshu | azus: then look at the other stuff |
| 17:45.16 | epps | !next |
| 17:45.16 | socinfo | epps: "next" is March 28 1900UTC Student application period opens. |
| 17:45.48 | wtachi | !utc |
| 17:45.49 | azus | wtachi: but that mentor guy told me like that only |
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| 17:45.58 | hiemanshu | goes to start working on apps |
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| 17:46.30 | Triskelios | azus: probably trying to see how much you really understand C++ |
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| 17:46.42 | wtachi | azus: maybe because Boost is very advanced C++ |
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| 17:47.01 | azus | wtachi: i guess so |
| 17:47.05 | bobbens | nobody understands C++ :) |
| 17:47.30 | Triskelios | bobbens: touché |
| 17:47.44 | azus | bobbens: i agree with u |
| 17:48.02 | bobbens | and if somebody understood C++, they mess with the specs so that wasn't the case anymore :) |
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| 17:48.58 | azus | bobbens: ya ya |
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| 17:49.19 | wtachi | !me understands the stuff other than inheritance and templates :p |
| 17:49.25 | wtachi | */me |
| 17:49.45 | azus | wtachi: i know it very well.. it's too easy |
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| 17:50.53 | Torne | anyone who thinks they know C++ very well is *probably* mistaken. ;) |
| 17:51.22 | |Kev| | I know enough |
| 17:51.27 | |Kev| | ...to know that I don't know enough. |
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| 17:52.05 | sdimkov | Is there any GSoC work on Unity ? |
| 17:52.11 | azus | Torne: it's just my level of confidence |
| 17:52.34 | kodoque | hmmm |
| 17:52.48 | kodoque | Have you ever wrote your own new operator? |
| 17:53.11 | Torne | do you know why it's not realistically possible to parse C++ without being a compiler? :) |
| 17:53.26 | MostAwesomeDude | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curiously_recurring_template_pattern |
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| 17:53.32 | bobbens | all this C++ is making me want to apply to haskell :P |
| 17:53.43 | DarkUranium | sdimkov, which Unity? |
| 17:53.52 | sdimkov | ubuntu unity |
| 17:54.01 | DarkUranium | ah |
| 17:54.08 | DarkUranium | shrugs |
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| 17:54.46 | azus | torne: i have created my own new operator |
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| 17:55.46 | azus | torne: u there? |
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| 17:56.12 | Torne | i didn't ask you that :) |
| 17:56.16 | azus | i like challenges |
| 17:56.18 | Torne | i'm just being sadistic, personally |
| 17:56.29 | Torne | http://yosefk.com/c++fqa/web-vs-c++.html#misfeature-3 <- for where my comment comes from |
| 17:57.03 | kamikaza | can you suggest some projects for java programmers? |
| 17:57.06 | azus | kodoque: i have created my own operator dude? |
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| 17:57.52 | azus | kamikaza: ya u can create projects on library managment system |
| 17:57.53 | wtachi | !learn utc as Open source involves people in time zones all over the world. Check http://goo.gl/wUKjq for current times, including UTC. |
| 17:57.53 | socinfo | wtachi: The operation succeeded. |
| 17:58.13 | azus | socinfo: i didn't ask u |
| 17:58.18 | chx | kamikaza: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2011 do you see tags? |
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| 17:58.23 | chx | kamikaza: try entering java. |
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| 17:58.47 | scorche | azus: and socinfo wasnt talking to you |
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| 17:59.08 | azus | kamikaza: can u suggest some projects for c++ programmers |
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| 17:59.19 | azus | scorche: i didn't ask u |
| 17:59.30 | SRabbelier | azus: you are being rude |
| 17:59.33 | MostAwesomeDude | azus: Chill. :3 |
| 17:59.35 | SRabbelier | azus: please try to be civil |
| 17:59.36 | |Kev| | I think it's a bot. |
| 17:59.44 | kamikaza | :) |
| 17:59.47 | SRabbelier | |Kev|: who, azus? :P |
| 17:59.53 | |Kev| | SRabbelier: Yes. |
| 18:00.05 | SRabbelier | |Kev|: hah, could be |
| 18:00.06 | hiemanshu | no azus is not a bot |
| 18:00.15 | scorche | azus: we dont like to suggest projects here - we dont know what might interst you - view the participating orgs and look at the tags |
| 18:00.22 | azus | SRabbelier: sorry dude, i was so stressed |
| 18:00.25 | hiemanshu | bot are efficient to only reply to people who spoke to them |
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| 18:00.48 | wtachi | hiemanshu: not necessarily |
| 18:01.03 | azus | yes i am a bot |
| 18:01.10 | clr_ | Hi I can't seem to find the actual link to the application page. Can anyone help? |
| 18:01.19 | imploder | how do you know what to ask socinfo? is there a manual for asking socinfo? |
| 18:01.27 | chx | well , let's apply the usual Turing test, remember those? If Joe goes shopping will his head go with him? |
| 18:01.32 | scorche | clr_: it is not currently 19:00UTC yet |
| 18:01.32 | wtachi | imploder: /msg socinfo help |
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| 18:01.44 | dayoung__ | clr_: one more hour =) |
| 18:01.45 | Mudit | hey |
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| 18:01.50 | Mudit | hey |
| 18:01.55 | clr_ | scorche: Okay. I was confused because the calendar said 3pm seattle time but facebook said it was already out. |
| 18:01.56 | azus | exit |
| 18:02.09 | |Kev| | !learn suggest as GSoC is going to require you to work independently for much of the summer. You should be capable of selecting interesting projects on your own. |
| 18:02.10 | socinfo | |Kev|: The operation succeeded. |
| 18:02.10 | MostAwesomeDude | chx: Why do you think if Joe goes shopping his head will go with him? |
| 18:02.13 | Mudit | I am participating in GSoc |
| 18:02.16 | scorche | imploder: generally socinfo is used by those who know the factoids to use those factoids to avoid repeating the same information over and over again ;) |
| 18:02.17 | Mudit | for the first time |
| 18:02.28 | Mudit | what documents would you need |
| 18:02.30 | Mudit | ? |
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| 18:02.42 | scorche | Mudit: documents for what, exactly? |
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| 18:02.51 | Mudit | certificates? |
| 18:02.59 | Mudit | transcripts etc. |
| 18:03.10 | wtachi | Mudit: IIRC a tax form, and a letter from your school saying you're enrolled |
| 18:03.19 | bobbens | tax form only if in the USA |
| 18:03.20 | wtachi | people don't worry about that until after they're accepted |
| 18:03.20 | scorche | Mudit: as in are you talking about what Google needs from you to determine if you are a student or not? |
| 18:03.29 | bobbens | outside you fill a "I'm not in the USA" form :) |
| 18:03.37 | Mudit | ..k |
| 18:03.39 | Mudit | thanks |
| 18:03.44 | napolean | i am interested in debian project for gsoc? But I use Windows at home. DO I need to learn debian OS or only C would help |
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| 18:03.57 | wtachi | napolean: ask the debian people |
| 18:04.00 | wtachi | !anyone |
| 18:04.01 | socinfo | wtachi: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. Try searching for the org's contact info or even just try a /join #<mentoring org here> |
| 18:04.01 | scorche | napolean: that would be a question to ask them |
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| 18:04.26 | napolean | I searched for Debian IRC but couldn't find! |
| 18:04.37 | napolean | Can anyone provide a link |
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| 18:04.44 | imploder | wtachi, scorche: I don't know what !commands are there that I can use. that's what I'm asking. I just see what others use. help does not help in this. |
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| 18:05.32 | scorche | napolean: really? - you dont see any sort of communication methods on debian's homepage in melange? |
| 18:05.32 | wtachi | imploder: try list Factoids |
| 18:05.38 | Mudit | one more question |
| 18:05.39 | wtachi | I forget how useless help is |
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| 18:06.09 | Mudit | when will my project be accepted/declined? |
| 18:06.12 | napolean | I did see but I am unable to install their IRC client |
| 18:06.14 | Mudit | on 25th april? |
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| 18:06.23 | scorche | napolean: so use a web IRC client |
| 18:06.30 | imploder | !factoids |
| 18:06.33 | scorche | !timeline |
| 18:06.34 | socinfo | scorche: "timeline" is http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
| 18:06.40 | scorche | Mudit: ^^ |
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| 18:07.07 | imploder | help list factoids |
| 18:07.14 | scorche | imploder: if you wish to play with the bot, it is likely best to do it in a private query so it does not flood this channel ;) |
| 18:07.24 | napolean | I used that also.. But there 2000 channels with no one related to Debian.. So as a last option I thought maybe I could find some help here |
| 18:07.47 | scorche | huh? |
| 18:07.59 | wtachi | imploder: I don't think you can list all factoids, all you can do is /msg socinfo random #gsoc to get a few |
| 18:08.13 | blast007 | napolean: you want to join their specific server/channel |
| 18:08.16 | Torne | napolean: you are presumably using an irc client now, no? |
| 18:08.18 | scorche | napolean: it says in the link - network: irc.debian.org channel: debian-soc |
| 18:08.24 | hypatia | napolean: debian channels are on a different server :) |
| 18:08.35 | Torne | connect to the network and channel listed, using your irc client |
| 18:08.39 | scorche | wtachi: sure you can |
| 18:09.04 | napolean | oops. sorry but I am using IRC for the first time.. Let me try again |
| 18:09.34 | Torne | well, you should probably read the documentation for your irc client, then... |
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| 18:10.08 | imploder | wtachi: sorry, I though it was visible for everyone anyway |
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| 18:11.30 | imploder | wtachi: thanks, "/msg socinfo random #gsoc" works. it's retarded that I can't list all though. |
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| 18:12.04 | SRabbelier | imploder: it can |
| 18:12.08 | SRabbelier | imploder: I know there's a command to |
| 18:12.24 | carols | serves some tea and coffee |
| 18:12.24 | scorche | !list factoids |
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| 18:12.25 | socinfo | scorche: change, forget, info, learn, lock, random, search, unlock, and whatis |
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| 18:12.34 | scorche | it may be disabled |
| 18:12.58 | scorche | kai: was the bot yours? - i keep forgetting now that danderson isnt around ;) |
| 18:13.01 | imploder | thanks |
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| 18:13.04 | dhaun | scorche: try a private msg to the bot with: factoids search #gsoc * |
| 18:13.07 | weta | I am an admin/mentor for a particular organization (Freeseer). We're getting a message "Organization Freeseer video recording and streaming suite is not active in Google Summer of Code 2011." when people request to be a mentor. Is anyone able to advise me on what to check to fix this up? Thank you kindly. |
| 18:13.26 | |Kev| | weta: Try #melange |
| 18:13.28 | scorche | dhaun: thats it! ;) |
| 18:13.35 | weta | |Kev|: thank you! |
| 18:13.36 | weta | will do |
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| 18:13.56 | scorche | dhaun: supybot's documentation told me a different syntax that wasnt working - thanks |
| 18:14.16 | dhaun | got it from someone on this channel, actually :) |
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| 18:14.44 | wtachi | !learn factoids as To see all factoids, /msg socinfo factoids search #gsoc * |
| 18:14.45 | socinfo | wtachi: The operation succeeded. |
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| 18:14.58 | dhaun | where would be a good place to document these things, like how to talk to the bot? |
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| 18:15.23 | scorche | dhaun: through the bot itself, obviously! ;) |
| 18:15.29 | wtachi | ideally, it would respond helpfully to /msg socinfo help |
| 18:15.40 | imploder | SRabbelier: I think there should be a link to howto for this bot, so that everyone could read how to use it. |
| 18:16.00 | SRabbelier | imploder: sure |
| 18:16.05 | SRabbelier | imploder: make it happen |
| 18:16.16 | imploder | what about putting it in the welcome message? |
| 18:16.27 | scorche | imploder: way too noisy |
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| 18:16.44 | scorche | also, most people dont even see that as their client shoves it over tot he server tab |
| 18:17.12 | imploder | scorche: but I don't see any better place |
| 18:17.30 | Torne | what's actually wrong with nowhere? |
| 18:17.48 | Torne | the point of it is not for every visitor to the channel to fiddle with it, it's to save people who are answering questions a little time |
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| 18:23.12 | imploder | Torne: what's wrong with nowhere is that everyone needs to learn to use the bot by either asking others or seeing them use it. is there anything wrong with that everyone could rtfm and then fiddle with it as they wish? |
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| 18:25.08 | Torne | people don't need to learn to use the bot at all |
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| 18:25.26 | bobbens | the bot should learn to use people |
| 18:25.29 | Torne | and it does about three things, afaics, so you can pick up how to use it by observation in five minutes ;) |
| 18:25.32 | Torne | )/wl |
| 18:25.40 | aghisla | cookies everyone! |
| 18:25.40 | |Kev| | The number of mentors that hang around here and help much is *relatively* small. |
| 18:25.51 | imploder | > the bot should learn to use people |
| 18:25.52 | imploder | what?? :-D |
| 18:26.18 | akashm1990 | any way to get live logs of the channel? |
| 18:26.28 | |Kev| | akashm1990: Yes, join it :) |
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| 18:26.39 | |Kev| | !logs |
| 18:26.40 | imploder | I don't say it's a big deal, I just think it's not user-friendly. |
| 18:26.40 | socinfo | |Kev|: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
| 18:26.46 | |Kev| | And there are the historic logs. |
| 18:26.50 | akashm1990 | |Kev|, my net connection has a tendency to drop a lot |
| 18:26.59 | akashm1990 | those are updated every 24 hrs |
| 18:27.41 | imploder | isn't there some standard way to say "hello" (i.e. begin communication) to any bot? |
| 18:27.51 | Torne | not at all |
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| 18:28.24 | imploder | !logs |
| 18:28.25 | socinfo | imploder: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
| 18:28.32 | akashm1990 | !areyouabot? |
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| 18:30.42 | rodrigo_barba | hi everyone! how to make a proposal? |
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| 18:31.25 | scorche | !faq |
| 18:31.26 | socinfo | scorche: "faq" is http://goo.gl/Up2Qf |
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| 18:31.50 | scorche | rodrigo_barba: also, if you are asking about the technical means, wait until 19:00 UTC ;) |
| 18:33.12 | chunmun | !next |
| 18:33.14 | socinfo | chunmun: "next" is March 28 1900UTC Student application period opens. |
| 18:33.22 | chunmun | socinfo: timeline |
| 18:33.24 | socinfo | chunmun: "timeline" is http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
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| 18:35.05 | dhaun | it's a start: http://gsoc-wiki.osuosl.org/index.php/Socinfo |
| 18:35.18 | gchaix | dhaun: hmm? |
| 18:35.23 | dhaun | played with it too much in private - it's now ignoring me :) |
| 18:35.27 | gchaix | perks up at the OSUOSL reference |
| 18:35.49 | dhaun | gchaix: see earlied discussion about whether or not to document how to talk to socinfo |
| 18:35.54 | gchaix | ahh |
| 18:35.57 | dhaun | best place I could think of ... |
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| 18:36.19 | gchaix | good place, I think |
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| 18:37.39 | imploder | dhaun: good place, I agree. a page with links to all pages relevant to the channel should be linked from the welcome message IMHO. that'd be just one link and everything could be found there. |
| 18:37.51 | chunmun | dhaun: will keep that in mind, thanks! |
| 18:38.21 | santaris | hi to all |
| 18:38.35 | santaris | i was not used in irc but i should do |
| 18:38.43 | santaris | i have a question for you |
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| 18:39.01 | santaris | why the student application period has not started yet? |
| 18:39.19 | |Kev| | I also have a question. Why is it not yet Thursday? |
| 18:39.30 | hiemanshu | santaris: its about 22 mins from now |
| 18:39.41 | |Kev| | santaris: There's a published starting time. The time isn't here yet, so it's not yet open. |
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| 18:39.51 | Triskelios | !next |
| 18:39.53 | socinfo | Triskelios: "next" is March 28 1900UTC Student application period opens. |
| 18:40.11 | santaris | hm |
| 18:40.14 | chunmun | :P |
| 18:40.15 | santaris | different GMT |
| 18:40.23 | |Kev| | Different GMT? |
| 18:40.33 | |Kev| | GMT and UTC are equivalent timezones. |
| 18:40.46 | santaris | yes but i am in greece |
| 18:40.47 | imploder | it's UTC. UTC is basically GMT with no summer time. |
| 18:40.56 | |Kev| | imploder: GMT has no summertime. |
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| 18:41.04 | |Kev| | GMT is UTC+0 |
| 18:41.11 | santaris | and we have changed the summertime on Sunday |
| 18:41.13 | imploder | so GMT==UTC |
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| 18:41.29 | bobbens | GMT!=UTC with daylight savings |
| 18:41.48 | |Kev| | bobbens: What do you mean? |
| 18:41.56 | santaris | according to the timeline the student application period opens at 19:00 |
| 18:41.57 | |Kev| | Daylight savings is irrelevant to both GMT and UTC. |
| 18:42.05 | santaris | which means 21:00 in Greece |
| 18:42.12 | anth_x | GMT is UTC without "leap seconds". neither has daylight savings/summer time. |
| 18:42.15 | santaris | but not in Sumer time zone |
| 18:42.24 | imploder | santaris: if you're in greece, your time is UTC+2, in summer time UTC+3. |
| 18:42.25 | drt24 | timezones and DST result in pain |
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| 18:42.33 | Torne | santaris: it's 1842UTC right now |
| 18:42.48 | Torne | so 1900UTC is not for another 18 minutes. |
| 18:42.53 | dhaun | drt24: timezones and GSoC result in confusion :P |
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| 18:42.55 | |Kev| | Also 1842GMT :) |
| 18:43.03 | santaris | i have missed the summertime in greece |
| 18:43.08 | santaris | sorry for the silly question |
| 18:43.31 | akashm1990 | !utc |
| 18:43.32 | socinfo | akashm1990: "utc" is Open source involves people in time zones all over the world. Check http://goo.gl/wUKjq for current times, including UTC. |
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| 18:43.45 | wtachi | hey, it's useful! |
| 18:43.53 | akashm1990 | UTC is open source? |
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| 18:44.17 | wtachi | no |
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| 18:44.36 | akashm1990 | thats what the bot says |
| 18:44.39 | santaris | wtachi: UTC should be opensource:p |
| 18:44.45 | imploder | seems like the bot is drunk :-) |
| 18:44.49 | wtachi | what, so people can change it? |
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| 18:44.57 | rodrigo_barba | hi people |
| 18:45.02 | wtachi | socinfo should leave off the "'utc' is" part |
| 18:45.02 | akashm1990 | fork utc? |
| 18:45.11 | akashm1990 | or put a delimiter after it |
| 18:45.14 | rodrigo_barba | how can i proceed to make a proposal? |
| 18:45.23 | wtachi | rodrigo_barba: wait 15 minutes |
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| 18:45.34 | wtachi | it isn't open yet |
| 18:45.41 | bobbens | |Kev|: afaik daylights savings affects GMT, but not UTC, so sometimes I'm UTC+2 sometimes I'm UTC+1 while always being GMT+1 |
| 18:45.49 | bobbens | but I could be twrong, I really hate this sort of stuff |
| 18:45.51 | Torne | bobbens: no |
| 18:45.54 | Torne | GMT is the same as UTC |
| 18:45.57 | |Kev| | bobbens: You are wrong :) |
| 18:46.04 | Torne | "The time in the UK" is GMT in winter, BST in summer |
| 18:46.20 | bobbens | so then daylight savings shifts me from GMT+1 to GMT+2? |
| 18:46.20 | Torne | Europe/London or similar timezone spec :) |
| 18:46.23 | bobbens | or something like that? |
| 18:46.31 | SRabbelier | bobbens: correct |
| 18:46.37 | bobbens | that's worse :P |
| 18:46.41 | SRabbelier | bobbens: even worse |
| 18:46.53 | bobbens | I really really really really hate time stuff :) |
| 18:46.53 | SRabbelier | bobbens: During DST Greenwich is in Greendwich Main Time +1 |
| 18:46.55 | SRabbelier | bobbens: can you imagine? |
| 18:47.03 | SRabbelier | s/main/mean/ |
| 18:47.08 | bobbens | no, I block my brain from imaging it |
| 18:47.11 | bobbens | for fear of explosion |
| 18:47.15 | Torne | "GMT" is basically a deprecated term at this point |
| 18:47.18 | SRabbelier | lol |
| 18:47.28 | Torne | if you mean the time in the UK say so, otherwise say UTC |
| 18:47.44 | bobbens | why oh why have they allowed it to get this messed up |
| 18:47.53 | bobbens | will somebody please think of the children!?! |
| 18:47.56 | wtachi | bobbens: politics |
| 18:47.57 | aghisla | ah, only one thing is more complex than timezones: cartographic projection systems! |
| 18:47.58 | akashm1990 | they forked UTC |
| 18:48.06 | |Kev| | Torne: And CET is deprecated, because people should either say 'The time in France' or UTC+1? |
| 18:48.22 | bobbens | screw this, I'll define bobbens time |
| 18:48.27 | bobbens | I'll always be at bobbens+0 |
| 18:48.29 | bobbens | easy enough :) |
| 18:48.31 | Torne | Pretty much all the timezone acronyms like that are useless, yes, because there is a different acronym during summer time |
| 18:48.33 | wtachi | |Kev|: well, should everyone know what timezone France uses? |
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| 18:48.53 | |Kev| | wtachi: No, only how to convert between UTC and their won :) |
| 18:48.55 | |Kev| | *own |
| 18:48.56 | Torne | and when you use the one referring to winter time, it's not clear whether you mean "that timezone regardless of time of year" or "the relevant version of hta ttimezone given the current time of the year" |
| 18:48.56 | santaris | bobbens : you should release it in a forge so as to be able to change it's code |
| 18:49.12 | hiemanshu | well we have a weird timezone +5.5 hours lol |
| 18:49.12 | *** part/#gsoc napolean (~napolean@122.161.34.176) |
| 18:49.13 | |Kev| | I am about to define chocolate time. |
| 18:49.19 | hiemanshu | and nepal is worse, +5.45 |
| 18:49.22 | |Kev| | Possibly cookie time too, we'll see what the shop has. |
| 18:49.24 | wtachi | |Kev|: that was a few minutes ago |
| 18:49.25 | schumaml | they should finally admit that dst is useless and discontinue it |
| 18:49.35 | akashm1990 | hiemanshu, Atleast it doesnt change twice a year here |
| 18:49.45 | wtachi | everyone should be glad they don't have to worry about leap seconds |
| 18:49.47 | hiemanshu | yeah |
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| 18:51.20 | imploder | the difference between UTC and GMT is that GMT is the astronomical time (matches exactly to the sun's movement on the sky), while GMT is based on atomic clocks (can differ slightly from the astronomical time). so says wikipedia. |
| 18:51.23 | hiemanshu | well atleast GNOME2 would be developed anymore |
| 18:51.25 | hiemanshu | err |
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| 18:51.30 | hiemanshu | wrong window :P |
| 18:51.47 | klickverbot | imploder: So where is the difference now? :P |
| 18:52.23 | imploder | * the difference between UTC and GMT is that: |
| 18:52.23 | imploder | - UTC is the astronomical time (matches exactly to the sun's movement on the sky) |
| 18:52.23 | imploder | - GMT is based on atomic clocks (can differ slightly from the astronomical time). so says wikipedia. |
| 18:52.34 | Torne | er, taht's backwards, no? |
| 18:52.37 | SITZ | !next |
| 18:52.38 | socinfo | SITZ: "next" is March 28 1900UTC Student application period opens. |
| 18:53.18 | akashm1990 | !learn next as 7 minutes to go |
| 18:53.18 | socinfo | akashm1990: The operation succeeded. |
| 18:53.19 | imploder | (20:52:50) imploder: * the difference between UTC and GMT is that: |
| 18:53.19 | imploder | (20:52:50) imploder: - GMT is the astronomical time (matches exactly to the sun's movement on the sky) |
| 18:53.20 | imploder | (20:52:50) imploder: - UTC is based on atomic clocks (can differ slightly from the astronomical time) |
| 18:53.20 | imploder | Hopefully it's correct already :P |
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| 18:53.42 | akashm1990 | anyone can make it learn:0 |
| 18:53.45 | akashm1990 | surprising |
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| 18:54.07 | schumaml | s/GMT/UT/ |
| 18:54.19 | schumaml | yes, without the "C" |
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| 18:54.42 | wtachi | what about IAT? we need more acronyms! |
| 18:54.48 | schumaml | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Time |
| 18:54.55 | akashm1990 | !next |
| 18:54.56 | socinfo | akashm1990: "next" is (#1) March 28 1900UTC Student application period opens., or (#2) 7 minutes to go |
| 18:55.08 | scorche | !forget next 2 |
| 18:55.08 | socinfo | scorche: The operation succeeded. |
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| 18:55.27 | schumaml | wtachi: TAI - Temps Atomique International |
| 18:55.40 | jamesturk | really liking the new site, but I noticed that for some reason my org (sunlightlabs) isn't showing up on http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2011 |
| 18:55.48 | scorche | akashm1990: keep in mind that these guidelines are strived for, but may not be achieved - be patient - there will be a whole week-ish to submit a proposal ;) |
| 18:56.16 | scorche | jamesturk: join #melange please and repeat that there |
| 18:56.27 | akashm1990 | scorche, I know, just wanted to try out if anyone could make the bot learn, or just chan op's |
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| 18:56.40 | scorche | anyone can, but please dont abuse it ;) |
| 18:57.14 | akashm1990 | I wont, but this feature shouldnt have been documented |
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| 18:57.32 | scorche | huh? |
| 18:58.08 | akashm1990 | http://gsoc-wiki.osuosl.org/index.php/Socinfo |
| 18:58.23 | akashm1990 | now, see the one and only example |
| 18:58.36 | scorche | what do you mean it shouldnt have been documented? |
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| 18:59.07 | akashm1990 | Misphrased it, it shouldnt have been the only feature documented |
| 18:59.15 | scorche | then edit the page |
| 18:59.24 | aghisla | 1min! |
| 18:59.27 | akashm1990 | I dont really know any other features |
| 18:59.38 | scorche | wiki pages are a group effort - no one has had the time to sit down and document the whole thing... |
| 18:59.39 | dhaun | akashm1990: hey, I spent like 5 minutes on that page - it's meant as a start, not meant to be exhaustive (yet) |
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| 19:00.23 | rishi_ | Hello |
| 19:00.32 | akashm1990 | dhaun, yes, I saw your post. Nice effort |
| 19:00.54 | rishi_ | Any admin here for organization Learning Unlimited |
| 19:00.57 | sonney2k | SRabbelier, I accidentally requested an admin to be a mentor and he accepted. Now trying to request him again gives me An invitation to this user has already been sent. |
| 19:00.58 | rishi_ | ?? |
| 19:01.15 | SRabbelier | sonney2k: heh |
| 19:01.16 | dhaun | !anyone |
| 19:01.17 | socinfo | dhaun: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. Try searching for the org's contact info or even just try a /join #<mentoring org here> |
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| 19:01.22 | dhaun | rishi: ^^^ |
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| 19:02.01 | sonney2k | SRabbelier, I am famous for finding elevated bugs :D |
| 19:02.02 | sfb | How's everyone doing today? |
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| 19:02.17 | SRabbelier | sonney2k: well done sir :) |
| 19:02.51 | akashm1990 | what would be the correct way to enter your google talk id in the student registration form? |
| 19:03.01 | akashm1990 | the given exampke mentions IRC and xmpp:gmail.com/Home |
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| 19:03.19 | sonney2k | SRabbelier, so at least you still have some sense of humor after this email flood. anyways is this anything that you would protentially fix or what shall I do now? |
| 19:03.35 | akashm1990 | nvm |
| 19:03.51 | SRabbelier | sonney2k: yeah, I can fix that, but there's an org that dissapeared, so I'm troubleshooting them first |
| 19:03.55 | SRabbelier | sonney2k: mind hanging out in #melange ? |
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| 19:04.43 | sonney2k | SRabbelier, yes I understand that has prio #1, I am now too on #melange. |
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| 19:07.24 | gevaerts | !next |
| 19:07.25 | socinfo | gevaerts: "next" is March 28 1900UTC Student application period opens. |
| 19:07.47 | *** topic/#gsoc by SRabbelier -> Welcome to Google Summer of Code 2011! Students can now apply! Please read the FAQs - http://goo.gl/Up2Qf and the Timeline - http://goo.gl/0lYPz for more info. |
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| 19:09.04 | vh4x0r | How does one fill in the Im network info ? |
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| 19:09.24 | scorche | !learn next as April 8: 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. |
| 19:09.25 | socinfo | scorche: The operation succeeded. |
| 19:09.27 | scorche | !next |
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| 19:09.28 | socinfo | scorche: "next" is (#1) March 28 1900UTC Student application period opens., or (#2) April 8: 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. |
| 19:09.35 | scorche | !forget next 1 |
| 19:09.35 | socinfo | scorche: The operation succeeded. |
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| 19:09.39 | carols | thanks scorche |
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| 19:10.08 | scorche | carols: sure =) |
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| 19:12.54 | Myth17 | why cant we upload our proposal as a document? copy pasting it is weird :| |
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| 19:15.30 | eppz | http://bit.ly/eYo7yf |
| 19:15.54 | scorche | Myth17: because we, as mentors, dont want to have to open hundreds of documents to look and compare students ;) |
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| 19:16.30 | akashm1990 | !learn deadline http://bit.ly/eYo7yf |
| 19:16.31 | socinfo | akashm1990: Invalid arguments for learn. |
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| 19:16.49 | akashm1990 | !learn deadline as http://bit.ly/eYo7yf |
| 19:16.49 | socinfo | akashm1990: The operation succeeded. |
| 19:17.01 | harlan | If somebody tried to reach me here, please re-try. |
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| 19:18.19 | klickverbot | I remember something about submitted proposals remaining editable until the deadline â is this true? |
| 19:18.47 | nitish | when i copy paste my proposal from an odt file to the text box the font sizes go hatwire :| |
| 19:18.54 | shadeslayer | akashm1990: hey |
| 19:18.54 | danparker | The list of orgs is missing Phylosoc for some reason |
| 19:18.55 | nitish | :( |
| 19:18.59 | shadeslayer | akashm1990: selected a project yet? |
| 19:19.13 | nitish | shouldnt we be allowed to upload a document atleast? |
| 19:19.27 | vh4x0r | what abt the additional info section ? |
| 19:19.31 | vh4x0r | what to link there ? |
| 19:19.44 | anon__ | is it ok to apply for multiple projects? |
| 19:19.54 | brlcad | yes |
| 19:20.14 | wtachi | klickverbot: it should be |
| 19:20.45 | laserbled | ^^ for how long any idea ? |
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| 19:21.11 | jamesturk | danparker: they're missing sunlightlabs too, I've spoken to SRabbelier & they're looking at it, it is likely the same issue |
| 19:21.20 | wtachi | you should be able to edit proposals up until the deadline |
| 19:22.12 | danparker | jamesturk: ok, thanks |
| 19:23.08 | alinrus | the width of the application content should be increased it's really annoying, worse than last year. |
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| 19:23.58 | SRabbelier | alinrus: that can be fixed |
| 19:24.22 | apurvtwr | !next |
| 19:24.24 | socinfo | apurvtwr: "next" is April 8: 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. |
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| 19:24.51 | alinrus | SRabbelier, would be nice integration with google docs, last year I lost a lot of time reformatting the proposal. |
| 19:25.00 | SRabbelier | alinrus: that can't be fixed |
| 19:25.03 | SRabbelier | at least |
| 19:25.04 | SRabbelier | not easily |
| 19:25.05 | SRabbelier | or soon |
| 19:25.34 | |Kev| | Submit a patch! |
| 19:25.53 | SRabbelier | |Kev|: amen to that |
| 19:26.00 | SRabbelier | |Kev|: we have a gsoc idea actualy |
| 19:26.05 | SRabbelier | |Kev|: to integrate with GDocs |
| 19:26.12 | SRabbelier | alinrus: so if you're interested ;) |
| 19:26.18 | |Kev| | Maybe it will be done soon, then :D |
| 19:26.29 | alinrus | |Kev|, I don't do python, but if someone fixes it I'm offering a case of beer :) |
| 19:26.41 | mmadia | !next |
| 19:26.42 | socinfo | mmadia: "next" is April 8: 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. |
| 19:26.46 | mmadia | nice :) |
| 19:27.11 | |Kev| | goes to see how many applications there are so far... |
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| 19:27.56 | gevaerts | |Kev|: Don't bother! They won't appear until three seconds before the deadline. |
| 19:28.04 | |Kev| | Hrmm, none are jumping out at me. |
| 19:28.06 | alinrus | :)) |
| 19:28.18 | |Kev| | Mind, I'm not sufficiently sure I understand the new Melange well enough yet to know where to look :D |
| 19:28.33 | sfb | |Kev|: Doesn't the appluication period not open for another 30 minutes? |
| 19:28.41 | |Kev| | sfb: 30mins ago. |
| 19:28.50 | sfb | Hmn |
| 19:28.52 | |Kev| | Assuming it wasn't changed while I was out getting chocolate |
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| 19:29.14 | sfb | hah |
| 19:29.17 | gevaerts | |Kev|: you got chocolate and you didn't share? |
| 19:29.25 | |Kev| | Have a refresher sweetie. |
| 19:29.27 | |Kev| | It has sherbet! |
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| 19:33.50 | apurvtwr | where is the link to upload the student application? |
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| 19:35.10 | apurvtwr | !where |
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| 19:35.51 | Hindu | can anyone suggest what exactly to fill in the Im network field in students registration form? |
| 19:36.05 | nishmu | apurvtwr: First login with gmail account, then register, then you will be able to submit applications. |
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| 19:36.29 | gangil | is the student application submission open, I thought it would be later |
| 19:36.30 | gangil | ? |
| 19:36.41 | djmitche | Hindu: irc://irc.freenode.net/channelname |
| 19:37.05 | apurvtwr | nishmu: thanks.. |
| 19:37.14 | gevaerts | gangil: it's 19:37 UTC now |
| 19:37.16 | LauriEST | about the registration form "Register as a Student" in melange....what excactly is LINK ID |
| 19:37.18 | dhaun | gangil: yes, it's open - but there's no need to rush |
| 19:37.20 | LauriEST | ? |
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| 19:37.34 | gangil | my app is only half done |
| 19:37.37 | gangil | :-/ |
| 19:37.48 | gangil | and I am getting 500 Server error, damn! |
| 19:37.58 | wtachi | gangil: you have ~10 days |
| 19:38.03 | gevaerts | gangil: there's no law about having to submit it within the first hour |
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| 19:38.57 | dis | should I create a google account specifically for gsoc or it's ok to use my primary one ? |
| 19:39.14 | dis | any former students advice on this ? |
| 19:39.18 | SRabbelier | dis: just use your primary one |
| 19:39.30 | wtachi | "This web site needs a different Google Maps API key. A new key can be generated at http://code.google.com/apis/maps/signup.html." |
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| 19:39.52 | wtachi | (on student registration form) |
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| 19:40.17 | Narcissus | hey - /join #gentoo-soc |
| 19:40.29 | Narcissus | ah crap, sorry I typed that by accident |
| 19:40.34 | Narcissus | (inot the channel) |
| 19:40.38 | SRabbelier | wtachi: what site are you on? |
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| 19:40.49 | wtachi | SRabbelier: http://gsoc.appspot.com/gsoc/profile/student/google/gsoc2011 |
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| 19:41.01 | SRabbelier | wtachi: that is not the correct website |
| 19:41.04 | SRabbelier | wtachi: that's the test instance |
| 19:41.09 | SRabbelier | wtachi: how did you get there anyway? |
| 19:41.09 | Jose | Hi, I have problems sending my proposal, I should send it directly to mentor?? |
| 19:41.18 | SRabbelier | Jose: no |
| 19:41.20 | eoc | no. |
| 19:41.23 | SRabbelier | Jose: unless your org asked you to do so |
| 19:41.24 | wtachi | SRabbelier: dunno, ask Firefox's location bar |
| 19:41.33 | SRabbelier | Jose: use http://www.google-melange.com |
| 19:41.34 | |Kev| | Jose: It's only admissible through Melange. You can send it to the mentor as well, but that doesn't count as an application. |
| 19:41.36 | SRabbelier | wtachi: same to you ^ |
| 19:41.50 | chx | !next |
| 19:41.51 | socinfo | chx: "next" is April 8: 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. |
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| 19:42.38 | Jose | ok, thanks, this is the web <http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2011>, is it? |
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| 19:43.11 | sumanah | Nightrose, dberkholz: thanks to you & Kevin Smith for writing http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2011/03/dos-and-donts-of-google-summer-of-code.html -- it's great! |
| 19:43.24 | wtachi | Jose: no, www.google-melange.com |
| 19:43.34 | Nightrose | sumanah: :) |
| 19:43.35 | Nightrose | thx |
| 19:43.39 | |Kev| | sumanah: You're welcome. |
| 19:43.53 | wtachi | Jose: oh, they're the same, nevermind |
| 19:44.05 | Jose | ok, I press login and now? |
| 19:44.15 | Jose | yes, thank you |
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| 19:50.36 | mbryant_ | if I submit a GSOC project proposal early (say, tomorrow) will I be able to get feedback on it and possibly resubmit it before the deadline? |
| 19:50.53 | SRabbelier | mbryant_: yes |
| 19:51.00 | SRabbelier | mbryant_: expect frequent feedback |
| 19:51.35 | sfb | I go through several iterations with serious students. |
| 19:51.37 | laserbled | will only the applying org give feedback or any mentor can give feedback ? |
| 19:51.53 | sfb | laserbled: Both. |
| 19:52.01 | laserbled | great |
| 19:52.02 | gevaerts | both? |
| 19:52.05 | sfb | laserbled: Depends on the project but mentors can see proposals and comment on them. |
| 19:52.12 | sfb | laserbled: So it's not just the org admins. |
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| 19:52.20 | laserbled | cool |
| 19:52.29 | gevaerts | laserbled: only mentors with the organisations you're applying to |
| 19:52.31 | sfb | laserbled: Different orgs will ahve different habits. |
| 19:52.46 | sfb | Ah yes, I see the distinction. Sorry gevaerts |
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| 19:57.40 | sfb | !eligibility |
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| 19:57.46 | wtachi | !eligible |
| 19:57.47 | socinfo | wtachi: "eligible" is Follow this handy flowchart to see if you are eligible http://goo.gl/kvCSv (text version at http://goo.gl/ImfNT) |
| 19:57.48 | sfb | Thanks |
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| 19:58.16 | mmadia | hey wtachi |
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| 19:58.20 | wtachi | hey again |
| 19:58.46 | mmadia | i was wondering -- which orgs you were considering this year? |
| 19:59.04 | wtachi | I'm down to ~15, including Haiku |
| 19:59.15 | wtachi | but I'm focusing on some specific ideas for Rockbox and maybe Clang |
| 19:59.32 | mmadia | sounds cool :) |
| 19:59.45 | wtachi | mmadia: is there lots of interest in Haiku? |
| 20:00.38 | mmadia | i'm not sure if it's just the begining of the application period, but it seems a bit calmer than last year. |
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| 20:01.57 | greeniekin | this might sound stupid but what is link id? |
| 20:02.16 | greeniekin | can i put anything? |
| 20:02.21 | wtachi | greeniekin: it's basically your nickname, it goes in URLs related to you |
| 20:02.32 | greeniekin | wtachi, ok thank you |
| 20:02.34 | |Kev| | It's immutable, so Choose Wiiiiisely. |
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| 20:03.50 | litwin | there are so many projects to choose |
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| 20:06.39 | Ophiuchi | litwin: mine's the best, but only if you are a similar kind of crazy as I am ;-) |
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| 20:07.07 | LauriEST | the LINK ID in registration form, what is it, i cant get past it? XD |
| 20:07.33 | LauriEST | litwin: i hear you bro |
| 20:07.38 | Ophiuchi | LauriEST: a sort of nickname that identifies you to the system. |
| 20:07.46 | wtachi | it goes in URLs related to you |
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| 20:08.19 | Ophiuchi | LauriEST: you could eg try lauriest :) |
| 20:08.22 | sumanah | litwin: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_2011 :) |
| 20:08.29 | LauriEST | Ophiuchi: thanks, you are my hero |
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| 20:10.30 | litwin | i am looking for algorithm oriented projects |
| 20:11.14 | litwin | in tags are mostly informations like programming language |
| 20:11.18 | litwin | :| |
| 20:11.29 | Pranav_rcmas | Can I breathe easy on optional fields? As in updating them later? |
| 20:11.38 | wtachi | Pranav_rcmas: yes |
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| 20:13.22 | Ophiuchi | litwin: something like http://wiki.netbsd.org/projects/gsoc_2011/rfc6056/ or development of new algorithms? |
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| 20:16.38 | manugupt1 | Hi I have a question.. while working on GSoC is it considered employment? |
| 20:16.48 | Ivanovic | yes |
| 20:17.03 | Ivanovic | it is a kind of "freelance employment" |
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| 20:18.04 | manugupt1 | Ivanovic: thanks I read a bout a no tax form issued to foreign students what does that mean |
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| 20:18.25 | Ivanovic | no idea |
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| 20:18.44 | Ivanovic | for tax stuff you have to contact your local authorities, they should know how it works |
| 20:19.08 | manugupt1 | Ok.. thanks Ivanovic |
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| 20:20.48 | litwin | Ophiuchi: interesting problem, it is related to computer security |
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| 20:22.38 | asdf_ | hey dudes, how to send student app? now I'm logged on melange page |
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| 20:23.55 | redheadphones | is http://socghop.appspot.com/ down? |
| 20:24.01 | SRabbelier | redache: shouldn't be |
| 20:24.04 | redheadphones | http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/http://socghop.appspot.com/ |
| 20:24.09 | SRabbelier | redache: works for me |
| 20:24.31 | redheadphones | hm, also, i'm not redache |
| 20:24.35 | redheadphones | :) |
| 20:24.48 | SRabbelier | feh |
| 20:24.50 | SRabbelier | autocomplete fail |
| 20:24.54 | SRabbelier | I hate this IRC client |
| 20:24.59 | redheadphones | weechat ftw |
| 20:25.27 | redheadphones | interesting though, it looks down from downforeveryoneorjustme |
| 20:26.04 | SRabbelier | redheadphones: apparently |
| 20:26.24 | imploder | I have a question for the student registration form: what to put into the "Im handle" field? I have username imploder on ICQ and here. what to write there? |
| 20:27.04 | imploder | or the "Im network" field |
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| 20:29.59 | Pranav_rcmas | My college ID card mentions my name with Initials, as P.R.Pranav, while I'm using the expanded one in the application. Will this be a problem when they ask for proof of enrollment later? |
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| 20:32.48 | SRabbelier | Pranav_rcmas: no |
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| 20:36.50 | Pranav_rcmas | ah, thanks |
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| 20:43.22 | flacjacket | I have a question on filling out the student registration form |
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| 20:44.01 | zee | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:44.32 | flacjacket | i'm graduating this year and going to grad school next year, but i don't yet have finalized which school i'm going to |
| 20:44.32 | zee | !timeline |
| 20:44.33 | socinfo | zee: "timeline" is http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
| 20:44.42 | flacjacket | does anyone know what i should fill in? |
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| 20:46.17 | zee | flackjacet: you should the college in which you are enrolled as if on April 29 |
| 20:46.32 | flacjacket | thanks zee |
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| 20:47.21 | rishi | dhaun: I am not the same rishi_ :-) |
| 20:47.31 | rishi | He is someone else. |
| 20:49.21 | sfb | Is it just me or is student application opening calmer than usual in ye olde #gsoc ? |
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| 20:53.30 | pygi | sfb: patience, wait for the end of application process |
| 20:53.30 | pygi | :D |
| 20:53.50 | sfb | pygi: No, I just mean I remember today last year in this channel being more busy. |
| 20:53.52 | sfb | That's all. |
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| 20:54.15 | sfb | Anyway, ttyl! Time to head home. |
| 21:03.15 | rrix | yawns |
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| 21:04.19 | marcg | hey everyone |
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| 21:06.16 | CrawfordComeaux | just got way excited about possibly receiving a proposal involving the Kinect! :D |
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| 21:06.57 | marcg | I am confused as to how my Link id and Public name will be used after I register as a student -- should a first name suffice for the public name, or should it be an alias, or what? |
| 21:07.50 | SRabbelier | marcg: it'll be displayed publically |
| 21:08.31 | rrix | !orgs |
| 21:08.35 | rrix | hmm |
| 21:08.35 | marcg | do you know where it will be displayed? |
| 21:08.40 | imploder | marcg: I think you should use your nick for these two. first and last name are other fields. |
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| 21:09.01 | marcg | alright, thanks for the suggestion |
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| 21:09.09 | wtachi | !numapps |
| 21:09.10 | socinfo | wtachi: "numapps" is 417 mentoring orgs applied and 175 were accepted this year. In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and 151 were accepted; 5539 proposals were submitted by 3464 students, and 1026 were accepted |
| 21:09.31 | imploder | I used the same ("imploder") for both link_id and Public name |
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| 21:09.51 | Triskelios | I'm pretty sure the intention is for the name you'd like people to identify you as, usually your full name |
| 21:10.20 | marcg | so whose advice do I take, imploder's or Triskelios'? |
| 21:10.37 | imploder | why then, are there other fields for first and last name? I chose the nick you can identify me with on the IRC. |
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| 21:10.49 | marcg | theres an additional field for that too, though |
| 21:10.57 | wtachi | because some people prefer a nick, and some prefer their real name |
| 21:11.10 | marcg | makes sense |
| 21:11.26 | sonney2k | whom can I ask in private about some more delicate issue? Carols or lh or? |
| 21:11.29 | imploder | marcg: where? |
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| 21:11.46 | klickverbot | !goodenough |
| 21:11.47 | socinfo | klickverbot: "goodenough" is Am I good enough to be a student for GSoC? http://www.booki.cc/gsocstudentguide/_v/1.0/am-i-good-enough/ |
| 21:11.52 | imploder | you probably mean the "Im handle", am I right? |
| 21:12.10 | Triskelios | imploder: yes, IRC nicks go there as well (there is an example now) |
| 21:12.18 | marcg | imploder: yes |
| 21:13.03 | imploder | so |
| 21:13.03 | imploder | Im network: irc.freenode.net |
| 21:13.03 | imploder | Im handle: imploder |
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| 21:13.51 | imploder | now I'm unsure what to use for the link_id and public name :-) |
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| 21:14.26 | marcg | I am using my initials for link id, and my full name for public name, if that helps |
| 21:14.56 | wtachi | link ID is just used in URLs, like the URL for your public profile |
| 21:15.02 | wtachi | it's also the only thing you can't change later |
| 21:15.03 | SITZ | hello |
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| 21:15.18 | marcg | wtachi: good to know |
| 21:15.22 | imploder | marcg: thanks, makes sense |
| 21:15.30 | SITZ | do we have to apply for each idea as a different application for an org, or in same draft ? |
| 21:15.45 | marcg | STIZ: separate for each project |
| 21:15.49 | marcg | SITZ* |
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| 21:16.06 | SITZ | ok |
| 21:16.31 | Triskelios | orgs require full applications, but you can submit several to the same org |
| 21:16.43 | gsoc_Daedalus789 | Hi everybody, so just wondering about how many different projects is everyone applying for? |
| 21:17.02 | SITZ | and we will be allowed to modify the data in proposal till the deadline, right ? |
| 21:17.02 | marcg | i am only applying for 1 |
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| 21:17.33 | downeym | carols: Thanks for your help with our event today. Had about 45 people. :) |
| 21:17.42 | carols | downeym: awesome! that's a great turnout |
| 21:17.51 | carols | so glad to hear it :-) |
| 21:18.18 | marcg | just found a bug in the student registration! |
| 21:18.30 | CrawfordComeaux | downeym: what was your event? |
| 21:18.50 | marcg | .oO( or maybe I am just blind... ) |
| 21:18.59 | downeym | CrawfordComeaux: GSoC (and OpenMRS) info session for computer science/informatics students at Indiana University |
| 21:19.02 | wtachi | SITZ: yes |
| 21:19.16 | sumanah | yay |
| 21:19.25 | CrawfordComeaux | downeym: mind if I pm you? |
| 21:19.30 | imploder | I planned to apply for at least 2, but now, looking at it reallistically, I'll apply for just one. it's better to be focused. |
| 21:19.33 | downeym | CrawfordComeaux: go ahead |
| 21:19.45 | SITZ | wtachi: ok.. ty |
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| 21:20.50 | gsoc_Daedalus789 | ok thanks imploder and marcg, I guess I'm just trying to get a feel for how sure people are of being accepted/denied |
| 21:21.14 | carols | !numapps |
| 21:21.15 | socinfo | carols: "numapps" is 417 mentoring orgs applied and 175 were accepted this year. In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and 151 were accepted; 5539 proposals were submitted by 3464 students, and 1026 were accepted |
| 21:21.27 | carols | gsoc_Daedalus789: that's your percentage of proposals |
| 21:21.32 | gevaerts | However... |
| 21:21.34 | marcg | gsoc_Daedalus789, keep in mind this is my first year doing it |
| 21:21.34 | gevaerts | !odds |
| 21:21.35 | socinfo | gevaerts: "odds" is Odds, chances or probability really do not come into play for GSoC. Rambling off numbers or asking What are the odds of getting accepted... is really quite useless as one's acceptance is not dictated by luck or numbers, but by the quality of your proposal and your skills instead. |
| 21:21.40 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: ninja-ed :P |
| 21:22.20 | gevaerts | SRabbelier: what are the odds of *that* happening? :) |
| 21:22.28 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: nice1 |
| 21:23.06 | imploder | will we know how many other students are/were applying for the same project? |
| 21:23.07 | gsoc_Daedalus789 | whoa, thanks for the data carols, |
| 21:23.11 | carols | yw |
| 21:23.20 | marcg | imploder: only if they all make their proposals pubic I believe |
| 21:23.49 | gevaerts | imploder: technically there isn't such a thing as "the same project" |
| 21:23.52 | imploder | thx |
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| 21:24.17 | wtachi | imploder: if you hang out in IRC and check mailing lists, you might get an idea |
| 21:24.18 | imploder | I mean the same project "idea". they are basically project specifications, no? |
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| 21:24.47 | wtachi | most project ideas aren't complete. You have to add more detail and figure out how you're going to do it |
| 21:24.59 | wtachi | and most orgs encourage you to come up with your own idea |
| 21:25.02 | gevaerts | imploder: yes and no. They're *basic* project specifications :) |
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| 21:25.20 | gevaerts | And you're free to mix ideas, or to provide your own |
| 21:25.22 | marcg | it helps weed out who is actually going to put effort into making a proposal :P |
| 21:25.39 | imploder | basic, indeed. nothing detailed, yet it *is* a kind of specification. |
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| 21:26.12 | wtachi | it's not a specification. you can do it a completely different way if the org likes your idea |
| 21:26.23 | gevaerts | imploder: it's not a specification in the sense that your proposal *has* to match it |
| 21:26.34 | wtachi | the ideas are really just suggestions |
| 21:26.59 | gsoc_Daedalus789 | so it seems like a lot depends on how you make the proposal, because it shows some what you can do with basic input? |
| 21:27.32 | marcg | gsoc_Daedalus789, can you rephrase that? |
| 21:27.37 | wtachi | yes, and how well you can communicate with the org to flesh out the idea |
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| 21:27.56 | wtachi | if you just copy/paste the idea, you won't even be considered |
| 21:28.19 | gevaerts | If you retype the idea and add typos it's even worse though |
| 21:28.39 | gevaerts | You really have to add your own input |
| 21:28.48 | gsoc_Daedalus789 | marcg: given an idea, the proposal should be a demonstration of your creativity, and skill |
| 21:28.50 | marcg | the trick is to copy/paste the idea, and then add random latin phrases |
| 21:29.03 | gsoc_Daedalus789 | haha |
| 21:29.07 | SRabbelier | marcg: shhhhh, don't tell everyone! |
| 21:29.09 | marcg | gsoc_Daedalus789, I am no representative, but that sounds good to me |
| 21:29.24 | imploder | ok, we can talk about them and agree on something different. I think though that the ideas show what the orgs want to get done so it's good idea to more or less stick to it. |
| 21:29.31 | marcg | SRabbelier, well I thought it was unfair that I am going to be accepted into *every* project |
| 21:29.43 | SRabbelier | marcg: very kind of you :) |
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| 21:29.47 | marcg | ;) |
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| 21:30.45 | wtachi | imploder: actually, some of the best proposals are original ideas |
| 21:30.46 | Darkproger | that's weird, i've just filled my profile under melange, however there's already one filed proposal in my dashboard which is not mine. what should i do? |
| 21:30.58 | wtachi | if you have an idea, mention it to the org and see if they like it |
| 21:30.59 | marcg | if it is good, take credit |
| 21:31.00 | wtachi | can't hurt, eh? |
| 21:31.29 | marcg | wtachi: I suppose it could ruin your reputation if it is a horrible idea |
| 21:31.37 | carols | Darkproger: SRabbelier can help |
| 21:31.38 | marcg | but maybe that is for the better in that case |
| 21:31.52 | SRabbelier | Darkproger: you're a mentor? |
| 21:31.59 | wtachi | if it's really, really horrible, yeah, but they expect students to say a few stupid things |
| 21:32.07 | Darkproger | SRabbelier: no, a student |
| 21:32.20 | SRabbelier | Darkproger: link_id? |
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| 21:32.26 | Darkproger | SRabbelier: proger |
| 21:32.37 | SRabbelier | Darkproger: what happens if you click the proposal? |
| 21:32.43 | quackquack | Are students leaving high school eligible for Google Summer of Code? |
| 21:32.50 | SRabbelier | !eligible |
| 21:32.51 | socinfo | SRabbelier: "eligible" is Follow this handy flowchart to see if you are eligible http://goo.gl/kvCSv (text version at http://goo.gl/ImfNT) |
| 21:33.11 | quackquack | Thank you |
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| 21:33.33 | imploder | I read a blog post (or more) that said it's better to be down to earth with your own ideas, as the orgs primarily want to get things done... I think it depends on the quality of the idea and if the org seeks new ideas or rather not. |
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| 21:34.01 | laserbled | wouldnt it be great if the conent window is a bit more bigger.....more viewable text then....just a suggetion |
| 21:34.05 | MostAwesomeDude | Depends on the org. |
| 21:34.10 | laserbled | *content |
| 21:34.16 | MostAwesomeDude | Some orgs are looking for code, some are looking for new developers. |
| 21:34.20 | marcg | laserbled, I agre |
| 21:34.23 | marcg | e |
| 21:34.43 | gevaerts | Some are trying to combine both of those :) |
| 21:34.54 | Darkproger | SRabbelier: i can read/update it |
| 21:34.55 | quackquack | I'm sorry, but I still am unsure. Is a high school "an institution that your country considers to be valid..."? |
| 21:35.09 | SRabbelier | Darkproger: but, you didn't submit it? |
| 21:35.09 | marcg | quackquack, are you accepted into college? |
| 21:35.56 | Darkproger | SRabbelier: yes, i didn't. |
| 21:36.49 | SRabbelier | Darkproger: looks like we fed up, you stole someone's link_id |
| 21:37.08 | marcg | wowza, that is a serious crime |
| 21:37.21 | SRabbelier | it's a serious bug! |
| 21:37.24 | marcg | indeed |
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| 21:38.36 | SRabbelier | deploying fix |
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| 21:39.01 | marcg | great turnaround time there, SRabbelier |
| 21:39.16 | gevaerts | It was that or taking the lot offline I guess |
| 21:39.18 | SRabbelier | marcg: ugh, I feel really bad about this happening in the first place |
| 21:39.42 | gevaerts | pats SRabbelier on the back |
| 21:39.45 | gevaerts | This happens... |
| 21:39.48 | marcg | SRabbelier, as long as it is fixed now, no one needs to know |
| 21:40.00 | SRabbelier | marcg: that student that lost their profile though |
| 21:40.00 | marcg | everyone in this chatroom should probably sign a pact |
| 21:40.04 | SRabbelier | marcg: they're gonna be pissed |
| 21:40.11 | marcg | SRabbelier, oh, wow, I did not realize that |
| 21:40.34 | marcg | and they cannot use their link id anymore either |
| 21:40.37 | marcg | even though they were first |
| 21:40.51 | SRabbelier | marcg: yup |
| 21:41.11 | gevaerts | Is there enough information to find and contact whoever it was? |
| 21:41.18 | marcg | it was probably overwritten |
| 21:41.19 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: no, the original profile is gone :( |
| 21:41.24 | SRabbelier | marcg: exactly |
| 21:41.32 | gevaerts | But maybe in the proposal? |
| 21:41.42 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: nope, so much for database normalization |
| 21:42.12 | marcg | wait, what do you mean SRabbelier? |
| 21:42.23 | marcg | isn't the proposal still readable |
| 21:42.29 | SRabbelier | marcg: the proposal is, their profile isn't |
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| 21:42.43 | marcg | so they will have their email in their proposal I assume |
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| 21:42.53 | SRabbelier | marcg: good one |
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| 21:43.03 | imploder | aaargh, my initials are already used |
| 21:43.06 | gevaerts | Well, there should be *some* information in there |
| 21:43.09 | marcg | not I, I think that is what gevaerts was trying to say |
| 21:43.14 | gevaerts | yes |
| 21:43.21 | marcg | imploder, drop/add the middle initial? |
| 21:43.39 | imploder | well, I have just 2 names, no middle initial |
| 21:43.48 | marcg | make one up ;) |
| 21:43.51 | gevaerts | X |
| 21:44.07 | wtachi | is hal9000 taken? |
| 21:44.08 | marcg | make it legendary, too |
| 21:44.21 | gevaerts | Yes, that's why it has to be X |
| 21:44.26 | imploder | I'll use my gmail username: "petrmej" :-) |
| 21:44.31 | SRabbelier | is somewhat surprised at how lucky we were |
| 21:44.42 | SRabbelier | considering the odds of this not beign found |
| 21:44.49 | marcg | gevaerts, haha |
| 21:45.07 | SRabbelier | Darkproger: can you add a comment to the proposal explaining what happened? |
| 21:45.49 | Darkproger | SRabbelier: how should i refer to it? as a bug in melange code? |
| 21:45.55 | SRabbelier | Darkproger: yes |
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| 21:47.15 | marcg | in submitting my application, should the "short description" be the same as the "abstract" in the actual proposal? |
| 21:47.56 | gevaerts | The abstract is usually longer |
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| 21:48.04 | gevaerts | I think |
| 21:48.38 | marcg | gevaerts, I feel that the abstract contains a short description of the project within itself though |
| 21:48.46 | SRabbelier | Darkproger: hey |
| 21:48.51 | SRabbelier | Darkproger: I might have found them in a backup |
| 21:48.58 | marcg | the way I wrote it, the title is an extremely summed up version, the abstract is the general idea, the project details is all the details |
| 21:49.27 | Darkproger | SRabbelier: i've not yet sent a comment. should i? |
| 21:49.32 | SRabbelier | Darkproger: nope |
| 21:49.43 | SRabbelier | Darkproger: I'm going to return the account to the original user |
| 21:50.15 | marcg | .oO( he will never know... ) |
| 21:50.20 | SRabbelier | Darkproger: please log out of Melange |
| 21:50.21 | marcg | .oO( or she* ) |
| 21:50.23 | SRabbelier | marcg: hopefully |
| 21:50.34 | imploder | for those that struggle with the small proposal textarea width: if you drag the right-bottom corner, you can make it bigger |
| 21:50.45 | Darkproger | SRabbelier: done |
| 21:50.52 | marcg | imploder: thanks |
| 21:51.08 | SRabbelier | Darkproger: you can log in again now |
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| 21:52.13 | Darkproger | SRabbelier: same thing |
| 21:52.44 | imploder | although it's limited -- if you drag too much it hides under the right blue column |
| 21:53.27 | SRabbelier | Darkproger: ah, yup |
| 21:53.32 | marcg | imploder: infinite vertical space though :P |
| 21:53.51 | imploder | yeah |
| 21:53.59 | SRabbelier | Darkproger: log out again? |
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| 21:55.26 | Darkproger | SRabbelier: same thing again |
| 21:55.36 | SRabbelier | Darkproger: no I mean, log out and stay logged out while I fix it |
| 21:55.36 | marcg | is the short description editable after proposal submission? |
| 21:55.42 | Darkproger | SRabbelier: oh, ok |
| 21:55.42 | SRabbelier | Darkproger: otherwise it'll re-set it :P |
| 21:55.49 | SRabbelier | marcg: everything is |
| 21:55.54 | marcg | mmk, thanks |
| 21:57.27 | marcg | SRabbelier, out of curiousity, how did you fix the bug so quickly? was it a simple mistake? |
| 21:57.43 | SRabbelier | marcg: yeah |
| 21:57.46 | SRabbelier | marcg: wrong function call |
| 21:57.56 | marcg | ah |
| 21:58.29 | marcg | submitted his first proposal! |
| 21:58.53 | SRabbelier | Darkproger: fixed, hopefully |
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| 21:59.06 | Darkproger | SRabbelier: may i log in back? |
| 21:59.08 | SRabbelier | marcg: http://code.google.com/p/soc/source/detail?r=beca953953a7101a6c8881ee994a6204a5d4df08 if you're interested |
| 21:59.15 | SRabbelier | Darkproger: yes, please give it a try |
| 21:59.23 | marcg | I like the log message xD |
| 22:00.06 | gevaerts | Does that thing say that clean users don't exist? :) |
| 22:00.07 | marcg | is melange a product of Google? |
| 22:00.21 | marcg | gevaerts, I haven't a shower in a week or so, I am good |
| 22:00.33 | Darkproger | SRabbelier: so i have to refill the profile info again, right? |
| 22:00.40 | SRabbelier | Darkproger: yeah |
| 22:00.47 | SRabbelier | Darkproger: sorry about that |
| 22:01.34 | AlexP | Will students applications appear under My Dashboard/Submitted roposals |
| 22:01.41 | AlexP | damn pressing enter early |
| 22:01.43 | marcg | AlexP, mine did |
| 22:01.49 | AlexP | I am a mentor |
| 22:01.53 | marcg | h |
| 22:01.56 | marcg | oh* |
| 22:02.08 | gevaerts | looks doubtfully at AlexP |
| 22:02.15 | AlexP | I meant, is that area for me to see submitted proposals, or is it for if I were to apply as a student? |
| 22:02.18 | AlexP | Or both? |
| 22:02.20 | SRabbelier | marcg: sortof, yeah |
| 22:02.22 | AlexP | gevaerts: shut it you :) |
| 22:02.23 | Darkproger | SRabbelier: i still have my name under http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2011/proger/1 and get a js syntax error on that page |
| 22:02.39 | Darkproger | SRabbelier: i guess it's a caching issue? |
| 22:02.47 | SRabbelier | darkjames: nah, that guy just has the same name ;) |
| 22:02.47 | marcg | AlexP, I don't think it is possible to be a mentor and a student |
| 22:02.54 | AlexP | marcg: I don't want to be |
| 22:02.57 | SRabbelier | Darkproger: oh, no |
| 22:03.00 | SRabbelier | Darkproger: hey, that's weird |
| 22:03.17 | marcg | AlexP, ok, just wanted to make sure you did not think that you could |
| 22:03.48 | SRabbelier | Darkproger: aaah |
| 22:03.56 | SRabbelier | Darkproger: I restored their account, but not their profile |
| 22:03.59 | SRabbelier | Darkproger: :( |
| 22:04.03 | AlexP | marcg: All I am asking is - it that space where I will see proposals submitted to my project, or is it only for proposals students submit for other projects? |
| 22:04.12 | AlexP | marcg: It is a long long time since I was a student |
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| 22:04.44 | marcg | AlexP, I am not the person to ask, as I am a student. I can offer a mediocre "maybe" though |
| 22:04.51 | AlexP | I know :) |
| 22:05.10 | AlexP | But if you didn't understand, then I was not clear, so others also might not understand |
| 22:05.34 | marcg | 10-4 |
| 22:06.13 | SRabbelier | AlexP: I'll update the title |
| 22:06.20 | AlexP | SRabbelier: Thanks :) |
| 22:07.50 | SRabbelier | AlexP: deploying |
| 22:08.08 | AlexP | SRabbelier: Great, thanks :) Nice quick turnaround :) |
| 22:08.21 | SRabbelier | AlexP: we try :) |
| 22:08.30 | AlexP | :) |
| 22:08.33 | marcg | :) |
| 22:08.33 | wtachi | I remember problems in 2010, but not such quick responses |
| 22:08.56 | marcg | SRabbelier probably wasn't working then |
| 22:09.03 | AlexP | Well mine wasn't even really a problem, just a clarification :) |
| 22:09.33 | AlexP | SRabbelier: A, lovely, nice and clear now :) |
| 22:09.38 | AlexP | *Ah |
| 22:09.41 | SRabbelier | marcg: I was :P |
| 22:09.50 | SRabbelier | marcg: but had less time |
| 22:10.06 | marcg | SRabbelier, ah, that explains it. how long have you been working for Google? |
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| 22:10.45 | klickverbot | Could somebody please update the melange stylesheet for the application page to display paragraphs and bullet lists in the same font size? |
| 22:11.08 | SRabbelier | klickverbot: please create a http://tinyurl.com/new-issue for that |
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| 22:11.43 | klickverbot | Okay, thanks (I forgot for a moment that melange is a regular open source project) |
| 22:13.31 | SRabbelier | klickverbot: you could even submit a patch :) |
| 22:14.03 | asmeurer | hi, can I verify that it is still the case this year that students can edit their submitted applications until the deadline |
| 22:14.04 | Darkproger | SRabbelier: am i ok to proceed or should i wait until you restore the rest? |
| 22:14.17 | asmeurer | I don't want to tell my students that they can do that unless I am sure |
| 22:14.20 | SRabbelier | Darkproger: you're good to go |
| 22:14.27 | marcg | asmeurer, that is the case |
| 22:14.29 | klickverbot | asmeurer: It is, I just edited my own proposal. |
| 22:14.29 | SRabbelier | asmeurer: correct |
| 22:14.38 | asmeurer | ok, thanks! |
| 22:14.50 | marcg | .oO( a job well done :D ) |
| 22:14.51 | klickverbot | SRabbelier: I thought the GSoC instance is maybe running a special theme or something |
| 22:15.05 | SRabbelier | klickverbot: nope! |
| 22:15.18 | Darkproger | SRabbelier: thanks! |
| 22:15.28 | SITZ | how to delete the old proposals of the same project ? |
| 22:15.39 | SRabbelier | SITZ: you can't |
| 22:15.56 | SITZ | oh... so do they all count as different proposals ? |
| 22:16.39 | SRabbelier | SITZ: yes |
| 22:16.46 | SITZ | I mean from Applicaion page |
| 22:17.33 | SITZ | when I try to modify the data on the proposal I have submitted, it show a fresh entry in the dash board |
| 22:18.04 | SRabbelier | SITZ: that's not supposed to happen |
| 22:18.17 | SITZ | that' what happening |
| 22:18.18 | SRabbelier | SITZ: are you sure you were using the correct url to update your proposal? |
| 22:18.55 | SITZ | I was using the update button to modify the data |
| 22:19.08 | SITZ | that is supposed to be for that, right ? |
| 22:19.52 | SRabbelier | SITZ: yes |
| 22:20.03 | SRabbelier | SITZ: what's your link_id? |
| 22:20.18 | SITZ | SRabbelier: http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/dashboard/google/gsoc2011 |
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| 22:20.22 | SITZ | sitz |
| 22:20.33 | SITZ | ^^ |
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| 22:21.27 | SRabbelier | SITZ: thanks |
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| 22:22.10 | SITZ | was that a bug ? |
| 22:22.23 | SITZ | *is |
| 22:22.41 | marcg | sitz, I would assume so |
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| 22:23.13 | SITZ | hmm..k so, I'll modify it further when I find them OK! |
| 22:23.18 | SRabbelier | SITZ: let me verify |
| 22:24.11 | zgreg | is it OK to use non-ascii characters for address data and the like? |
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| 22:25.31 | SITZ | zgreg: no, they don't allow them :( |
| 22:25.37 | wtachi | zgreg: it's shipping from the US, where carriers can't even handle ASCII properly |
| 22:25.37 | imploder | zgreg: no, just A-z, 0-9 and whitespace. it's written there. |
| 22:26.17 | SITZ | also *-* is allowed |
| 22:26.32 | SITZ | I mean hyphenm |
| 22:26.48 | zgreg | uh, okay |
| 22:27.00 | wtachi | (technically, unified hyphen/minus sign) |
| 22:27.13 | zgreg | it's a huge problem, üäö and à can be easily replaced :) |
| 22:27.16 | zgreg | *not |
| 22:27.19 | SRabbelier | !learn shipping as See http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=903 and http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=903#c16 |
| 22:27.20 | socinfo | SRabbelier: The operation succeeded. |
| 22:27.22 | SRabbelier | !shipping |
| 22:27.24 | socinfo | SRabbelier: "shipping" is See http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=903 and http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=903#c16 |
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| 22:32.56 | alinrus | are the mentors notified when the students submit the applications? |
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| 22:37.17 | SRabbelier | alinrus: not atm |
| 22:37.29 | SRabbelier | alinrus: it's very high priority atm |
| 22:37.45 | imploder | how and when will we get the instructions to send Google the needed tax forms mentioned in the Application TOS? |
| 22:38.08 | SRabbelier | imploder: soon |
| 22:38.10 | SRabbelier | imploder: by email |
| 22:38.16 | poulpy13 | Hi everybody |
| 22:38.17 | SRabbelier | imploder: Melange will notify you too |
| 22:38.17 | imploder | ok, thanks |
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| 22:39.56 | poulpy13 | I am really intersested by the GSoC program, that's why i'm here i guess. Well, what do I have to do first of all ? |
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| 22:40.19 | SRabbelier | poulpy13: read the FAQ |
| 22:40.22 | SRabbelier | !faq |
| 22:40.23 | socinfo | SRabbelier: "faq" is http://goo.gl/Up2Qf |
| 22:40.31 | poulpy13 | Thanks |
| 22:40.35 | AlexP | Check if you are eligible, find an org that interests you, look at their ideas/talk to them, apply, ... |
| 22:41.20 | poulpy13 | But concretely, this chat is done to know the projects right ? |
| 22:41.31 | AlexP | Which chat? |
| 22:41.42 | poulpy13 | gsoc |
| 22:41.43 | AlexP | If you mean this channel, then no |
| 22:41.52 | poulpy13 | channel scuse me |
| 22:41.55 | AlexP | You should contact the projects via their channels/mailing lists |
| 22:42.03 | poulpy13 | ok |
| 22:42.09 | AlexP | They should list how/where on their pages |
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| 22:42.43 | poulpy13 | and the list of projects, where can i get it ? |
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| 22:43.13 | AlexP | from the website, http://google-melange.com |
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| 22:43.29 | poulpy13 | Thank you very much |
| 22:43.48 | AlexP | Also, read that faq :) |
| 22:43.56 | poulpy13 | I will ^^ |
| 22:44.52 | asmeurer | can someone tell me what I need to put in our org's IRC field so that the IRC link actually opens something useful? |
| 22:46.20 | Raim | asmeurer: irc://chat.freenode.net/#gsoc |
| 22:46.23 | mmadia | irc://irc.freenode.net/haiku asmeurer ;) |
| 22:46.57 | mmadia | or http://webchat.freenode.net?channels=gsoc |
| 22:47.59 | SRabbelier | Raim: no pound |
| 22:48.22 | SRabbelier | Raim: not all clients handle that properly, and would open ##gsoc |
| 22:48.51 | Raim | oh, okay, will correct that :) |
| 22:48.53 | scorche | asmeurer: many orgs too link to some sort of IRC landing page on their website like http://www.rockbox.org/irc/ |
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| 22:50.13 | asmeurer | thanks |
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| 22:51.11 | laserbled | hey...what is this my request option below my proposals for ? |
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| 23:01.50 | jasebo | next? |
| 23:02.19 | jasebo | !next |
| 23:02.20 | socinfo | jasebo: "next" is April 8: 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. |
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| 23:04.24 | gangil | !htgs |
| 23:04.40 | carols | !couch |
| 23:04.41 | socinfo | carols: "couch" is An open source couch on which to chill. |
| 23:04.43 | carols | whew |
| 23:04.47 | carols | can use that right now |
| 23:04.50 | carols | sits down |
| 23:04.57 | gangil | :D |
| 23:06.45 | mlankhorst | weee |
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| 23:07.55 | kylehsu | !couch |
| 23:07.57 | socinfo | kylehsu: "couch" is An open source couch on which to chill. |
| 23:08.01 | kylehsu | lol |
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| 23:25.29 | quackquack | Is it possible to participate in only one semester of Google Summer of Code |
| 23:25.52 | DarkUranium | one semester? |
| 23:25.53 | scorche | do you mean something other than one summer? |
| 23:26.03 | quackquack | Sorry, I mean half the summer. |
| 23:26.07 | wtachi | no |
| 23:26.26 | scorche | then no - however you can still work on open source for that time ;) |
| 23:27.13 | quackquack | Oh, I know :). The issue is that I have a friend who isn't 18 until half way through the summer who wants to participate with me. |
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| 23:27.39 | scorche | sorry - that cannot be done |
| 23:27.41 | efes | quackquack: You mean: you begin, he finishes? |
| 23:29.00 | efes | quackquack: GSoC is a big opportunity. It's not worth to treat it like an ordinary job you can quit after a month. My advice is to find project described as easy (some orgs declare difficulty) and finish it very fast. |
| 23:29.14 | ojwb | quackquack: you can't share or do team projects |
| 23:29.19 | ojwb | (that's in the faq) |
| 23:29.32 | ojwb | also, you have to be 18 before the start |
| 23:29.37 | ojwb | !eligible |
| 23:29.39 | socinfo | ojwb: "eligible" is Follow this handy flowchart to see if you are eligible http://goo.gl/kvCSv (text version at http://goo.gl/ImfNT) |
| 23:29.43 | ojwb | quackquack: ^^ |
| 23:29.44 | wtachi | you need to tell the organization about schedule problems, and they won't be happy about it |
| 23:30.00 | ISF | hi, my shipping adress is a p.o. box, can I include it the street adress? (registration) |
| 23:30.17 | ojwb | wtachi: well, we're happy for students to work around things like exams |
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| 23:30.31 | wtachi | yes, but not half the summer |
| 23:30.34 | ojwb | a lot of european students are in that position |
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| 23:30.56 | ojwb | yes I was just clarifying for others reading |
| 23:31.11 | quackquack | Im sorry: to clarify he would be *working* on the project all summer, but would only be old enough (18) for the second half. |
| 23:31.18 | wtachi | yeah, I should have been clearer |
| 23:31.22 | ojwb | quackquack: he is not eligible |
| 23:31.31 | wtachi | until next year :) |
| 23:31.32 | ojwb | therefore he can't this year, sorry |
| 23:31.42 | efes | ISF: I afraid Fedex will not put your credit card into PO box :D |
| 23:31.51 | quackquack | Okay, thank you for your help! |
| 23:31.59 | DarkUranium | is headed to sleep, cya o/ |
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| 23:32.10 | efes | quackquack: May I ask why you like to quit after a month? |
| 23:32.41 | efes | quackquack: aah... sorry. I haven't seen what you wrote above. |
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| 23:33.08 | ISF | efes: google uses fedex for all shippments? |
| 23:33.26 | ISF | i mean, worldwide |
| 23:33.28 | efes | ISF: Yes. |
| 23:33.29 | SRabbelier | !shipping |
| 23:33.30 | socinfo | SRabbelier: "shipping" is See http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=903 and http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=903#c16 |
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| 23:34.50 | zgreg | so, you can submit (almost) as many proposals as you want, but what if two of them get selected? |
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| 23:35.08 | mlankhorst | they fight it out ;p |
| 23:35.10 | wtachi | zgreg: two can't be accepted to the same org |
| 23:35.16 | mmadia | thunderdome! two proposals enter, one proposal leaves! |
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| 23:35.26 | wtachi | if two are accepted for different orgs, they decide, usually by asking your preference |
| 23:36.28 | mmadia | and in the case of last-minute duplications (, which is rare but can happen), a representative from each org will make the decision during a meeting on IRC. |
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| 23:40.13 | ojwb | zgreg: but in some cases you may not get your preference - ultimately it's assumed students only apply for projects they'd like to do |
| 23:40.14 | efes | zgreg: You can submit up to 20 ;) However, this value is quite crazy. |
| 23:40.54 | zgreg | haha yes it is |
| 23:41.10 | ojwb | it's just a cap to stop students sending the same thing to every org |
| 23:41.11 | zgreg | I was thinking of maybe, just maybe, submitted a second proposal |
| 23:41.13 | ojwb | which used to happen |
| 23:41.16 | zgreg | *submitting |
| 23:41.39 | mmadia | zgreg, to the same or different orgs? |
| 23:41.51 | zgreg | probably the same org, as they're related |
| 23:41.59 | mmadia | it'd be best to ask them. |
| 23:42.01 | efes | zgreg: Avoid it |
| 23:42.02 | ojwb | you might as well ask them |
| 23:42.15 | efes | zgreg: Do they have absolutely same template? |
| 23:42.26 | mmadia | and if you do indeed submit a second, make sure to mention your preference on each proposal. |
| 23:42.26 | ojwb | often some ideas get a lot of interest and some get none |
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| 23:43.58 | zgreg | efes: I don't understand the question. it's the same org, so the template is the same, yes |
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| 23:44.40 | zgreg | maybe it's a better to idea to merge both proposals |
| 23:44.46 | ojwb | if you're sending to different orgs, including all the information but in a different format might be fine, or might lose you "points" |
| 23:45.05 | efes | zgreg: Aaah.... Sorry. I misunderstood you. It's worth to describe in your application how you do understand project. |
| 23:45.31 | ojwb | most of the work should be in the project-specific part though |
| 23:45.44 | efes | zgreg: Maybe it's better to do lesser project, but complete it instead of making half of greater one. |
| 23:46.34 | zgreg | well, it's not like I have to hurry |
| 23:46.42 | zgreg | there are still a few days left to decide... |
| 23:47.06 | zgreg | BTW I think it's really sad that people go as far as spamming all orgs with the same shit |
| 23:47.17 | zgreg | just to somehow get in |
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| 23:48.35 | efes | shortly after announcing GSoC there comes number of mails kind of "I want do project. I know programming. Tell me how earn $5000". Its amazing, that people whose write even don't read FAQ :/ |
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| 23:50.24 | eugene_ | Hi guys! |
| 23:50.30 | efes | hi eugene_ |
| 23:50.35 | eugene_ | How to apply through the new interface |
| 23:50.49 | SRabbelier | eugene: that's your first test |
| 23:51.01 | zgreg | efes: obviously in very broken english |
| 23:51.06 | SRabbelier | Guest34015: to see if you're elegible, you have to figure out |
| 23:51.08 | Guest34015 | Yes |
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| 23:52.01 | efes | zgreg: that's right. |
| 23:52.10 | efes | zgreg: my English is broken, too :D |
| 23:52.49 | zgreg | well, I'm not a native speaker either... but I can clearly tell very broken english from somewhat decent english |
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| 23:57.55 | chx | efes: you have no idea how many of those the Drupal project got (and other "meeeee!" type applications) so we put up this http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/google/gsoc2011/drupal for 2011. Barriers yes but I do not think horrible high |
| 23:58.08 | Guest34015 | That's all that I see when entering: http://www.fotohost.by/show/fa009c8ae7dd723f25b47a3c8b2e436c |
| 23:58.43 | ojwb | chx: you put up a 500 error page? |
| 23:58.45 | mmadia | "Error: Server Error" is a rather high barrier, chx heh. |
| 23:58.51 | NepaliKoChoro | Hey, cna anyone help me with this message that I'm seeing on the gscoc home page "you must fill out this form in order create a profile." |
| 23:59.06 | mlankhorst | Fill out this form ;p |
| 23:59.14 | NepaliKoChoro | There is no form |
| 23:59.15 | chx | lol the 500 is not my doing :D |
| 23:59.22 | NepaliKoChoro | I mean there's no hyperlink |
| 23:59.30 | ojwb | chx: I was assuming the secret was in the source code or something |
| 23:59.51 | chx | the link works now |
| 23:59.52 | SRabbelier | fixed |
| 23:59.54 | SRabbelier | sorry guys |