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| 01:37.50 | thebolt | Morning |
| 01:38.10 | marcg | speak for yourself! |
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| 01:59.53 | akhilesh890 | Hi |
| 02:00.21 | akhilesh890 | Anyone pls suggest a good proposal for firefox |
| 02:00.31 | ojwb | !anyone |
| 02:00.32 | socinfo | ojwb: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. Try searching for the org's contact info or even just try a /join #<mentoring org here> |
| 02:00.35 | ojwb | akhilesh890: ^^ |
| 02:00.38 | hypatia | akhilesh890: you're going to have to go read them yourself |
| 02:00.51 | akhilesh890 | ok |
| 02:00.54 | akhilesh890 | thanks for that |
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| 02:49.33 | mmoghimi | Hi there |
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| 02:50.11 | mmoghimi | Hi |
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| 02:51.00 | mmoghimi | anyone? |
| 02:51.44 | hypatia | do you have a question, mmoghimi ? |
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| 02:53.10 | mmoghimi | yes hypatia |
| 02:53.14 | mmoghimi | are you from Google? |
| 02:53.54 | hypatia | mmoghimi: no |
| 02:54.11 | mmoghimi | Is there anyone from Google here? |
| 02:54.38 | hypatia | probably not, it's sunday night in California :) |
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| 02:54.50 | mmoghimi | I'm in Calif. too :) |
| 02:55.12 | hypatia | what is your question? |
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| 02:55.57 | mmoghimi | I wanted to ask about eligibility. But I think I would be better to ask from someone from Google. |
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| 02:56.29 | redheadphones | !eligible |
| 02:56.31 | socinfo` | redheadphones: "eligible" is Follow this handy flowchart to see if you are eligible http://goo.gl/kvCSv (text version at http://goo.gl/ImfNT) |
| 02:56.36 | redheadphones | mmoghimi, ^ |
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| 02:58.47 | redheadphones | mmoghimi, the faq is also a great resource |
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| 02:58.49 | redheadphones | !faq |
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| 02:59.02 | mmoghimi | thanks readheadphones |
| 02:59.08 | redheadphones | hm |
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| 02:59.11 | mmoghimi | Still I need to talk to them |
| 02:59.12 | redheadphones | !help |
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| 02:59.36 | redheadphones | no worries |
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| 03:08.59 | socinfo` | greeniekin: "next" is April 8: 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. The overall timeline is at http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
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| 03:55.36 | *** topic/#gsoc is Welcome to Google Summer of Code 2011! Students can now apply! Please read the FAQs - http://goo.gl/Up2Qf and the Timeline - http://goo.gl/0lYPz for more info. |
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| 03:58.08 | hypatia | !goodenough |
| 03:58.09 | socinfo` | hypatia: "goodenough" is Am I good enough to be a student for GSoC? http://www.booki.cc/gsocstudentguide/_v/1.0/am-i-good-enough/ |
| 03:58.15 | hypatia | envinyater: read that ^^ :) |
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| 05:39.52 | Mana | Hey everybody, I noticed this part of the FAQ http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/faqs#not_eligible and was wondering if that means I can't participate in GSOC, since my half-brother works for Youtube, which is owned by Google. |
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| 05:40.29 | hypatia | Mana: sounds like that makes you a family member :( |
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| 05:44.20 | Mana | That's...pretty disheartening. I was looking into a lot of different things for this. Oh well. |
| 05:44.58 | ojwb | Mana: you could ask for clarification |
| 05:45.08 | Mana | Yeah, I will. |
| 05:45.09 | ojwb | it's always seemed rather vague to me |
| 05:45.29 | ojwb | "family member" probably varies by culture too |
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| 05:46.26 | hypatia | "family" in North American employment-related legal contects usually means one step, so like parents/siblings/children |
| 05:46.54 | hypatia | half-brothers probably count as brothers. but it's worth double-checking with google |
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| 05:48.44 | thebolt | hi ojwb , how's your day? |
| 05:49.03 | ojwb | thebolt: not too bad |
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| 05:51.43 | ojwb | finally seem to be on top of proposals and mailing list questions |
| 05:51.50 | ojwb | at least until the pre-deadline rush starts |
| 05:52.11 | thebolt | heh, nice |
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| 06:58.16 | kumar_ | hi i am new to this channel |
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| 06:59.04 | kumar_ | Can anyone say how to approach an organisation? |
| 06:59.25 | ojwb | kumar_: see their org page in melange |
| 06:59.35 | ojwb | it'll have ways to contact them |
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| 07:00.12 | rahulpyd | See http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2011 |
| 07:00.33 | kumar_ | hmmm is it neccessary that i have to be done with any start up things in which i am gonna apply? |
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| 07:02.28 | pachuco | Hello |
| 07:02.51 | pachuco | can anyone tell me how to begin with GSoC??? |
| 07:02.59 | shahriman | kumar_: " any start up things" what does it mean? |
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| 07:03.33 | kumar_ | if i apply in os related fields means do i have to be familiar with that? |
| 07:03.59 | shahriman | kumar_: no |
| 07:04.09 | shahriman | except for the basics |
| 07:04.33 | pachuco | hey can u help me get started guys... |
| 07:04.45 | shahriman | pachuco: visit google-melange.com, see the org list, see their description page, choose an (or more than one) organization |
| 07:04.58 | pachuco | Thanks |
| 07:05.01 | shahriman | then contact that org (preferably in irc) |
| 07:05.09 | kumar_ | How organisation would evaluate us? |
| 07:05.14 | ojwb | not all orgs use irc |
| 07:05.18 | shahriman | they might set you a task or something like that |
| 07:06.13 | kumar_ | before GSOC coding v have to prove that we are capable of doing it |
| 07:06.22 | kumar_ | by doing some task huh? |
| 07:06.40 | ojwb | the task shows what you are capable of |
| 07:06.51 | shahriman | kumar_: i can't tell about all the orgs , but i know that some of them do set tasks |
| 07:07.23 | ojwb | we want a realistic picture of your capabilities, to make sure your project is realistic for you |
| 07:07.37 | ojwb | a "qualifying task" is a good way to achieve that |
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| 07:07.41 | ojwb | and shows you're serious about it |
| 07:08.05 | kumar_ | ok ok. i havent started to contact a org yet now? still i have time to do? |
| 07:08.11 | shahriman | kumar_: it will be better if you ask your preferred org about what does it take to qualify |
| 07:08.21 | pachuco | hey shahiriman got startd with it!! |
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| 07:08.58 | pachuco | but how do i short-list any org...there r lots of them.. |
| 07:08.58 | shahriman | kumar, pachuco: u may want to hurry, deadline is 8th, iirc |
| 07:09.34 | kumar_ | org start to process all application after 8th only know? |
| 07:09.51 | shahriman | see the tags, if you know perl you can filter the tags column with "perl" i suppose |
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| 07:10.34 | shahriman | kumar_; don't worry, you still have time. i'm just saying that you might not have enough time to finish your qualification task |
| 07:10.47 | pachuco | By deadline u mean that w'll have to complete their tasks??? |
| 07:11.11 | shahriman | no you will have to submit an application. contact the org about task |
| 07:11.25 | pachuco | Ok |
| 07:11.49 | shahriman | orgs may not choose a student solely by an application, that's why it's important to cntact themn |
| 07:12.16 | kumar_ | ok ok.org will test us after 8th only know? |
| 07:12.22 | pachuco | By contacting them w'll have to share or ideas eith them??? |
| 07:12.57 | ojwb | depends on the org, but qualifying tasks may be ok after the submission deadline |
| 07:13.12 | ojwb | some may want them done before you submit |
| 07:13.25 | pachuco | ok |
| 07:13.38 | ojwb | just go and talk to them - they are the ones who can tell you their requirements |
| 07:13.58 | shahriman | pachuco: you won't have to, orgs already may have an ideas list. but it's ok if you have your own idea |
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| 07:14.13 | pachuco | Ok thanks |
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| 07:16.34 | kumar_ | ok ok |
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| 07:20.19 | cemycc | Some organizations have at their projects : Estimated workload: 2 months. . What is the meaning of this ? I will work only 2 months from 3 ? :) |
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| 07:29.23 | cemycc | on the GSoC FAQ there is a line: Google allocates a particular number of student slots to each organization. |
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| 07:29.49 | kai | cemycc: talk to your org about this? |
| 07:29.53 | cemycc | What is this meaning of this ? Even if I am acceptable by mentor, I still cant work ? |
| 07:30.02 | |Kev| | cemycc: Potentially, yes. |
| 07:30.30 | |Kev| | The orgs will get given a number of slots, and then decide which students they want to fill the slots with. |
| 07:32.22 | dis | what's the deadline for mentors ? Can they apply after the April 8 dedline ? |
| 07:32.58 | dis | s/dedline/deadline/ |
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| 07:34.59 | shahriman | cemycc: orgs rank projects according to their priority, imo. choose something that's important for the org |
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| 07:35.47 | |Kev| | I think orgs generall choose based on the quality of the application, and interaction with the student so far etc. more than which feature they'd most like implemented. |
| 07:35.57 | mayanks43 | dis: i think the deadline for mentor is 18th or smthg |
| 07:36.11 | |Kev| | It's much more efficient for orgs to code features themselves and not participate in GSoC if all they want to do is get a feature implemented this summer. |
| 07:36.25 | |Kev| | (Usually) |
| 07:36.45 | shahriman | |Kev|: i cannot agree with your emphasis on application. but interaction with the student is ofcourse important |
| 07:37.05 | MatthewWilkes | I suppose it's the difference between small and larger orgs |
| 07:37.08 | |Kev| | shahriman: Your org rates the feature above the application? Which org do you mentor for? |
| 07:37.09 | MatthewWilkes | I agree with |Kev| |
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| 07:38.20 | cemycc | Another question, my organization in 2010, get only 3 students, now they will have 3 students or maybe they will got more ? :) |
| 07:38.26 | thebolt | morning kai |
| 07:38.35 | shahriman | i don't mentor |Kev|. i didn't say that feature is rated above application. the org i contacted they emphasise on the task and don't really care that much about the application |
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| 07:38.46 | MatthewWilkes | cemycc: Or maybe less |
| 07:38.53 | MatthewWilkes | fewer, dammit |
| 07:39.07 | thebolt | MatthewWilkes: :P |
| 07:39.11 | cemycc | :) |
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| 07:39.19 | thebolt | MatthewWilkes: maybe they will only get small students this year? ;) |
| 07:39.31 | thebolt | 3 small ones, counting as 2 big ones? ;) |
| 07:40.07 | shahriman | thebolt: small / big judged by the size of t-shirt i guess |
| 07:40.20 | cemycc | :) |
| 07:40.22 | dis | mayanks43: why April 18 ? I can't find it in the timeline |
| 07:40.41 | shahriman | !next |
| 07:40.42 | socinfo | shahriman: "next" is April 8: 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. The overall timeline is at http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
| 07:41.02 | shahriman | why 18? |
| 07:41.33 | dis | i was asking about mentor application deadline |
| 07:41.41 | dis | can mentor apply after april 8 ? |
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| 07:42.34 | |Kev| | dis: I don't *believe* there's any cutoff, but I could be wrong. |
| 07:43.47 | dis | ok, thanks |
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| 07:44.58 | mayanks43 | just that mentors can apply after 8th |
| 07:45.04 | mayanks43 | don't know exact date |
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| 07:47.21 | svaksha | dis: accepting mentors is usually upto the respective organisation, not google afaik. Its better to ask the org directly. |
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| 07:49.11 | dis | svaksha: ok |
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| 07:54.26 | mib_amig9k | hello, i would like participate to gsoc. But my student status is complicated : I'm working and in parallel, the night i'm studing in a university. Can i participate to gsoc program ? Or, just full-time students can participate ? |
| 07:54.37 | ojwb | !eligibility |
| 07:54.38 | socinfo | ojwb: "eligibility" is Follow this handy flowchart to see if you are eligible http://goo.gl/kvCSv (text version at http://goo.gl/ImfNT) |
| 07:54.44 | ojwb | mib_amig9k: follow the flowchart ^ |
| 07:54.54 | |Kev| | mib_amig9k: If you will be spending the summer working, you should not participate. |
| 07:55.04 | |Kev| | As GSoC should be your main focus for the summer. |
| 07:55.07 | ojwb | that's also true |
| 07:55.15 | ojwb | but a separate issue from eligibility |
| 07:55.44 | mib_amig9k | thanks you for your links. I'm reading it :) |
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| 07:57.08 | mib_amig9k | ok :) so i can't participate. :) Arggg i'm unlucky :P |
| 07:57.15 | mib_amig9k | thanks for all :) |
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| 07:58.16 | mib_amig9k | have a nice day :=) |
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| 08:03.18 | dnivra | hello. I just edited my proposal and the entire formatting that is shown in the template is now not working. what is wrong? till now, the format was exactly like in the template but not it's all in a single line and looks really bad. could someone tell me what is wrong? |
| 08:04.09 | dnivra | single line in the sense if the line overflows then it goes to the next line. i even copy pasted the template given by the org and it's also displayed the same way. |
| 08:04.38 | ojwb | the HTML edit control does stuff like that sometimes |
| 08:04.53 | dnivra | what can I do to fix it? |
| 08:05.02 | ojwb | you can switch it to source mode and paste HTML source in |
| 08:05.06 | ojwb | that'll probably work |
| 08:05.23 | ojwb | if you still have a sanely formatted version... |
| 08:06.41 | dnivra | i don't really have the HTML source. i actually copy it to an office doc, fill it up and then paste it. |
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| 08:06.45 | dnivra | looks like a bug, will it be fixed? or will this be the case throughout the week? |
| 08:07.00 | ojwb | dnivra: ask on #melange I guess |
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| 10:45.24 | SRabbelier | Notifications are ... almost... done!! |
| 10:45.51 | |Kev| | Yay :) |
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| 10:49.27 | ojwb | SRabbelier: so that was a prenotification of notifications? |
| 10:49.35 | SRabbelier | ojwb: yes |
| 10:49.53 | SRabbelier | ojwb: I should have announced that I was going to announce it :( |
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| 11:06.32 | idank | hi, I answered 'yes' to all questions in the "Is my school âaccreditedâ?" section. how can I be certain that I'm eligible? |
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| 11:08.01 | scgtrp | !eligible |
| 11:08.02 | socinfo | scgtrp: "eligible" is Follow this handy flowchart to see if you are eligible http://goo.gl/kvCSv (text version at http://goo.gl/ImfNT) |
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| 11:24.10 | idank | scgtrp: thanks. if I work as a freelancer, is that a problem? |
| 11:24.57 | scgtrp | afaik you're allowed to have another job as long as you can put enough time into gsoc |
| 11:25.05 | scgtrp | but i'm the wrong person to ask for definitive advice |
| 11:25.33 | idank | ok |
| 11:26.56 | Dark_Shikari | there's no rule about it, but most organizations dislike attempting to do two full-time jobs at once. |
| 11:27.00 | Dark_Shikari | because it rarely works. |
| 11:27.03 | Dark_Shikari | small side projects are probably fine. |
| 11:27.22 | ojwb | dislike is a rather week way of putting it |
| 11:27.32 | ojwb | weak, too |
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| 11:29.25 | idank | Dark_Shikari: sure, I'm not talking about a full time job though |
| 11:29.38 | idank | 2 days a week tops |
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| 11:33.54 | ojwb | idank: doesn't seem like a good plan to me |
| 11:34.16 | |Kev| | Dark_Shikari: "There's no rule against it" - there is a FAQ that says GSoC should be your main focus for the summer. |
| 11:34.18 | ojwb | but if you're able to drop the freelancing if it doesn't work to try to do both, you might be able to convince people |
| 11:34.47 | |Kev| | I'd have said 2 days was the absolute tops to try and get away with - you'll be working 7 days a week instead of 5, but there at least *are* 7 days in a week. |
| 11:35.14 | ojwb | but no days off for 3 months doesn't work... |
| 11:35.16 | |Kev| | Right. |
| 11:35.52 | ojwb | we had a student doing some voluntary work with swig a couple of years ago, but he was Ok with dropping it if need be |
| 11:35.55 | ojwb | and need did be |
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| 11:36.17 | ojwb | the voluntary work wasn't with swig, the gsoc project was |
| 11:36.23 | idank | ojwb: yeah, that's what I had in mind as well |
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| 11:36.33 | gevaerts | Of course if you can drop the freelance work when needed, that might work |
| 11:36.35 | idank | if its too much, drop the free lancing |
| 11:36.45 | gevaerts | is late as usual |
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| 12:26.13 | socinfo | sfb: "next" is April 8: 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. The overall timeline is at http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
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| 12:29.35 | joshux | hi |
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| 12:35.22 | PassingBy | hello i am having a bizarre problem on the gsoc student proposal submission page. i resized the content text area beyond the border and i cant resize it back |
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| 12:35.42 | PassingBy | can't see the text beyond the border either |
| 12:35.43 | SRabbelier | PassingBy: refresh the page? |
| 12:35.51 | PassingBy | did that |
| 12:36.12 | SRabbelier | PassingBy: click the html button |
| 12:36.16 | SRabbelier | PassingBy: change the width manually? |
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| 12:41.12 | PassingBy | SRabbelier:oh. not that great shakes at html/css. i added columns:40; and width:40; to the span tag. am i doing it right? |
| 12:41.32 | SRabbelier | PassingBy: no clue :) |
| 12:41.36 | SRabbelier | PassingBy: look for a big number |
| 12:41.42 | SRabbelier | PassingBy: (e.g., the width you set it to) |
| 12:41.47 | SRabbelier | PassingBy: if it's not there something else is going on |
| 12:41.58 | SRabbelier | PassingBy: (such as your browser remembering how wide you made the field) |
| 12:42.30 | PassingBy | SRabbelier:ok will try it in ie. |
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| 12:43.17 | dberkholz | try restarting your browser, or looking in your preferences for a way to delete all cached form data |
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| 12:46.29 | SRabbelier | soussou_: please do not PM me without permission, ask here so everybody can benefit |
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| 12:47.20 | ojwb | proposes a GSoC project to remove the PM feature from all IRC clients |
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| 12:48.08 | |Kev| | Don't joke. I had one student tell me we need to remove the Logout button from all XMPP clients, so everyone would be available 24/7. |
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| 12:48.40 | SRabbelier | |Kev|: lol |
| 12:48.41 | dberkholz | and? |
| 12:48.45 | ojwb | I'm not sure I was... |
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| 12:48.57 | SRabbelier | ojwb: lol |
| 12:48.58 | dberkholz | is on irc 24/7 and doesn't get the point |
| 12:48.59 | PassingBy | :) |
| 12:49.15 | sfb | haha |
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| 12:49.29 | sfb | I've had students get frustrated at me for not responding to them on IRC |
| 12:49.40 | sfb | They'll PM me at 3am local time which is probably noon their time. |
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| 12:49.50 | sfb | But my client is on IRC so why am I ignoring them?! |
| 12:50.04 | dberkholz | teach them about away messages |
| 12:50.19 | beng-nl_ | part of gsoc education is how electronic communication works |
| 12:50.24 | beng-nl_ | (sometimes) |
| 12:50.30 | beng-nl_ | and this is a good example |
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| 12:52.36 | PassingBy | restarting and clearing history didnt work. guess i use dear old ie for proposal submission. |
| 12:52.57 | thebolt | sfb: try to explain then why a ctcp time on my client will show that right now time is 14:52.. but where i am local time is 20:52 ;) |
| 12:52.59 | dberkholz | history isn't necessarily the same as cached form data |
| 12:53.28 | PassingBy | cleared form data too. |
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| 12:54.15 | PassingBy | or atleast think i did. cleared form and search history from mozilla |
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| 12:57.12 | SRabbelier | soussou_: please do not PM me |
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| 12:58.58 | PassingBy | ah cleared cache and that did it. thanks dberkholz |
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| 12:59.52 | SRabbelier | PassingBy: good to hear |
| 13:00.36 | soussou_ | Hi SRabbelier !!! my link_id: smiai_oussama. can you register as a mentor for the Catroid in the GSoC ? |
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| 13:00.40 | SRabbelier | soussou_: no |
| 13:01.00 | SRabbelier | soussou_: you can do so yourself on google-melange.com |
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| 13:04.17 | efes | Hi there :) |
| 13:04.23 | kavyaln2k | hi |
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| 13:04.55 | kavyaln2k | has everyone her submitted their proposals for their projects? |
| 13:04.59 | kavyaln2k | here* |
| 13:05.13 | efes | kavyaln2k: Not :) I'm just doing' it :] |
| 13:05.44 | kavyaln2k | Frankly, I find it a bit overwhelming... how detailed is your proposed design and implementation of the project? |
| 13:06.05 | SRabbelier | kavyaln2k: depends on your organization |
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| 13:06.12 | SRabbelier | kavyaln2k: ask them |
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| 13:08.31 | jinu | which is the IRC channel for videoLAN? |
| 13:09.09 | SRabbelier | jinu: have you tried Googling? |
| 13:09.49 | dberkholz | i've got an even better idea, go to their gsoc page and look at the contact section =) |
| 13:09.51 | SRabbelier | jinu: it's even rather prominently displayed on the first Google result |
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| 13:10.00 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: fishing |
| 13:10.14 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: ice skating |
| 13:10.27 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: that was a shortcut for "teach them how to fish ..." bla bla :P |
| 13:10.42 | efes | Could anybody tell me where can I find manual for mentors ? |
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| 13:10.50 | SRabbelier | !mentormanual |
| 13:10.53 | dberkholz | indeed. the gsoc page should be the first reference point though, before you resort to searching |
| 13:10.53 | SRabbelier | worth a shot |
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| 13:11.02 | ojwb | !manual |
| 13:11.04 | dberkholz | now here's a fishing example |
| 13:11.07 | ojwb | silly bot |
| 13:11.08 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: not sure I agree :P |
| 13:11.09 | dberkholz | google: gsoc mentor manual |
| 13:11.17 | |Kev| | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.co.uk%2Fsearch%3Fsourceid%3Dchrome%26ie%3DUTF-8%26q%3Dgsoc%2Bmentor%2Bmanual |
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| 13:11.22 | jinu | got videolan IRC |
| 13:11.25 | |Kev| | Oh, fun |
| 13:11.29 | SRabbelier | jinu: one would hope so :) |
| 13:11.46 | |Kev| | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=gsoc+mentor+manual |
| 13:11.47 | |Kev| | Better |
| 13:11.55 | efes | |Kev|: Thank you |
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| 13:12.22 | dberkholz | fwiw, it's also at the very top of the Help section of the website |
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| 13:12.49 | saksham | S |
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| 13:13.23 | |Kev| | And talking about not reading. |
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| 13:14.00 | |Kev| | Why is it that despite the How to not screw up being a student blog post, I'm still seeing non-spam applications where students have ignored the application template? |
| 13:14.21 | SRabbelier | |Kev|: they didn't read the blog post |
| 13:14.36 | ojwb | |Kev|: if they didn't read the template in front of them, why would they read a blog post? |
| 13:14.36 | dberkholz | too many sources of information, perhaps. |
| 13:14.56 | |Kev| | dberkholz: All of them saying the same thing? :) |
| 13:15.02 | marekweb | what kind of score system do mentor use for proposals before they go to review by google? |
| 13:15.08 | ojwb | one student told me it would be dull for mentors if all applications looked the same... |
| 13:15.13 | |Kev| | marekweb: They don't go for review to Google. |
| 13:15.32 | dberkholz | marekweb: each organization chooses its own |
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| 13:15.40 | bot_killer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:15.54 | SRabbelier | marekweb: they don't go for review by google |
| 13:15.55 | |Kev| | ojwb: Certainly it helps the mentors when students don't follow instructions. It saves having to spend time working out if the student is suitable. |
| 13:15.59 | marekweb | isn't there a step where chooses how many of the top proposals to accept? |
| 13:16.09 | SRabbelier | marekweb: yes |
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| 13:16.15 | SRabbelier | marekweb: but they don't look at the individual proposals |
| 13:16.17 | bot_killer | i'm desperate to get into an org... should i show that desperation? |
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| 13:16.29 | |Kev| | marekweb: Google chooses how many slots each org gets. Google doesn't decide which projects to put in them. |
| 13:16.31 | bot_killer | i know it's a stupid q'n |
| 13:16.32 | bot_killer | :P |
| 13:16.32 | dberkholz | bot_killer: show your enthusiasm. this isn't the same as desperation. |
| 13:16.33 | SRabbelier | bot_killer: depends, why? |
| 13:16.41 | marekweb | ah I see |
| 13:16.47 | SRabbelier | bot_killer: if you just need the money... probably not |
| 13:16.50 | bot_killer | there's so much competition in some orgs |
| 13:16.54 | SRabbelier | bot_killer: if you're really passionate about the project, probably so |
| 13:16.58 | skelet | hey where's the place where i can apply to orgs? i can't seem to find any link... |
| 13:17.07 | SRabbelier | skelet: use your eyes |
| 13:17.08 | bot_killer | nah i want it cuz it'll actually change my life |
| 13:17.19 | scgtrp | there's a giant apply button on the homepage... |
| 13:17.20 | bot_killer | it's exactly what i'd like to work upon in future |
| 13:17.20 | skelet | is it somewhere obvious? :P |
| 13:17.21 | SRabbelier | :P |
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| 13:17.25 | SRabbelier | skelet: yes :) |
| 13:17.38 | ojwb | bot_killer: you don't need gsoc to work on open source |
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| 13:18.09 | bot_killer | i know, but gsoc gives me the motivation... |
| 13:18.12 | bot_killer | and more importantly |
| 13:18.17 | bot_killer | gives mentors the motivation |
| 13:18.19 | bot_killer | to help |
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| 13:19.05 | Pranav_rcmas | bot_killer, I don't think so. They'll help you all year round. |
| 13:19.09 | marekweb | SRabbelier, |Kev|, so does Google decide on the number of slots in advance, or is it based on any factors? |
| 13:19.15 | iamaregee | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:19.17 | ojwb | bot_killer: most orgs are happy to mentor new contributors |
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| 13:19.34 | ojwb | iamaregee: seriously, you really don't need that |
| 13:19.46 | |Kev| | !slots |
| 13:19.48 | socinfo | |Kev|: "slots" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/site/site/studentallocations |
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| 13:20.13 | |Kev| | Although how close to reality that is seems to be up for debate. |
| 13:20.18 | bot_killer | with a schedule that forces you to work full time in the vacations, and expects you to deliver results, you can really do something |
| 13:20.20 | SRabbelier | !volunteer |
| 13:20.48 | kai | !fail |
| 13:20.49 | socinfo | kai: "fail" is That's not one of my factoids. Pay attention! |
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| 13:21.01 | gevaerts | !yes |
| 13:21.03 | socinfo | gevaerts: "yes" is Here, have a cookie! |
| 13:21.05 | SRabbelier | !learn volunteer as GSoC is a program in which students volunteer to work on an Open Source project all summer, Google merely enables the student to do so. |
| 13:21.05 | socinfo | SRabbelier: The operation succeeded. |
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| 13:21.10 | SRabbelier | !volunteer |
| 13:21.11 | socinfo | SRabbelier: "volunteer" is GSoC is a program in which students volunteer to work on an Open Source project all summer, Google merely enables the student to do so. |
| 13:21.22 | kai | hm, I really need to look into this |
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| 13:21.44 | bot_killer | btw, do orgs prefer experienced people (like Masters n PHD) or newbies? |
| 13:21.57 | kai | SRabbelier: I wonder if writing a #gsoc-specific plugin for supybot would be a viable GCI project |
| 13:22.11 | bot_killer | !socinfo |
| 13:22.12 | kai | bot_killer: I don't care much about the degree a student has |
| 13:22.12 | socinfo | bot_killer: "socinfo" is http://gsoc-wiki.osuosl.org/index.php/Socinfo |
| 13:22.15 | SRabbelier | kai: yes! :D |
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| 13:23.09 | kai | SRabbelier: because as someone pointed out recently, it would be nice to have socinfo reply to a !learn command with the new factoid, not just with "operation succeeded" |
| 13:23.17 | ojwb | kai: me! |
| 13:23.23 | SRabbelier | kai: yes |
| 13:23.27 | |Kev| | bot_killer: I prefer a student that can interact with me effectively, has a base level of existing programming ability, and can learn. Who wants a PhD anyway? :) |
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| 13:23.47 | bot_killer | how can you establish if he can learn? |
| 13:23.50 | thebolt | yea, phds are useless.. esp phd-students, right kai? :) |
| 13:23.50 | kai | and we could have a module that takes care of the queueing for the rejected-orgs-meeting |
| 13:24.02 | kai | thebolt: nah, wouldn't say that |
| 13:24.08 | kai | thebolt: they're cheap labour |
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| 13:24.15 | SRabbelier | kai: excellent, make it so |
| 13:24.19 | ojwb | bot_killer: by setting a task you'll need to learn something to do |
| 13:24.24 | ojwb | and seeing how you do it |
| 13:24.33 | ojwb | at least that's one way |
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| 13:24.39 | kai | SRabbelier: of course that is assuming there will be a GCI again, yaddda, yadda |
| 13:24.48 | |Kev| | bot_killer: From how he interacts with me doing the teaser tasks. |
| 13:24.59 | SRabbelier | kai: yeah yeah |
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| 13:25.18 | kai | ah, damn, I still need to finish the wrap-up |
| 13:25.36 | MatthewWilkes | btw - http://davisagli.com/blog/the-making-of-zodb.ws?amp |
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| 13:25.41 | MatthewWilkes | Wrapup of our april fool's |
| 13:25.50 | bot_killer | it is recommended to keep working even after april 9th? |
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| 13:26.03 | SRabbelier | bot_killer: of course |
| 13:26.17 | |Kev| | bot_killer: For questions like this ask yourself "What gives the best impression?". |
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| 13:26.57 | bot_killer | thanks |
| 13:27.04 | bot_killer | u've been of great help |
| 13:27.25 | thebolt | MatthewWilkes: the introduction makes it sound epic.. have to suspend my packing (leaving tomorrow, so have to pack today :P) and read it all.. |
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| 13:30.48 | efes | When student's application is recognized by organization as good he still can't be sure he will be in, because there is limited number of slots, yes ? |
| 13:31.25 | |Kev| | Correct. |
| 13:31.37 | ajedwards | how are the number of slots decided? |
| 13:31.43 | |Kev| | !slots |
| 13:31.44 | socinfo | |Kev|: "slots" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/site/site/studentallocations |
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| 13:34.09 | thebolt | MatthewWilkes: that is really nice! :) |
| 13:34.18 | thebolt | MatthewWilkes: shows how bad js etc is these days :P |
| 13:34.22 | ajedwards | I guess from reading that I'm in an unfortunate position, I have found the perfect project :( doh! |
| 13:35.37 | |Kev| | ajedwards: Why is that an unfortunate position? |
| 13:35.56 | ajedwards | Because I have only made 2 applications so far and the odds are stacked against me! |
| 13:36.01 | dberkholz | gah. i hate it when the webapp fiddles around with the font sizes on me. |
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| 13:36.07 | ajedwards | I don't think my org has many slots |
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| 13:36.51 | |Kev| | !odds |
| 13:36.52 | socinfo | |Kev|: "odds" is Odds, chances or probability really do not come into play for GSoC. Rambling off numbers or asking What are the odds of getting accepted... is really quite useless as one's acceptance is not dictated by luck or numbers, but by the quality of your proposal and your skills instead. |
| 13:37.11 | ajedwards | :) |
| 13:37.30 | |Kev| | If yours is the best application made to your org, you *will* get in. |
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| 13:37.39 | |Kev| | (best as judged by the org, of course) |
| 13:37.45 | ajedwards | of course |
| 13:38.05 | |Kev| | And 2 sounds like a good number of applications to make. |
| 13:38.35 | |Kev| | Unless you're spending a great amount of time writing applications, it's hard to write more than a couple that're competent and have the necessary background work done with the org in advance. |
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| 13:39.04 | kai | I got accepted to gsoc twice with only one application |
| 13:39.12 | kai | each, that is |
| 13:39.16 | kai | one per year |
| 13:39.26 | ajedwards | I have made two to the same org, if there aren't slots allocated to the specific projects I have applied for then I hope to complete the tasks anyway, it'll just take me longer! |
| 13:39.38 | |Kev| | Slots are not allocated to projects. |
| 13:39.47 | ajedwards | by the org. sorry |
| 13:40.11 | PassingBy | !org |
| 13:40.19 | PassingBy | !slots |
| 13:40.21 | socinfo | PassingBy: "slots" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/site/site/studentallocations |
| 13:40.34 | dberkholz | heh. if you like the "odds" approach, then 3 should be a good magic number |
| 13:40.40 | PassingBy | hehe |
| 13:40.42 | dberkholz | since 1/3 students are accepted |
| 13:40.59 | |Kev| | Oh, right. So if you make 3 applications you're guaranteed to be accepted. |
| 13:41.03 | |Kev| | Good thinking, Batman :) |
| 13:41.05 | ojwb | dberkholz: shouldn't it be 5 applications, since 1/5 of applications are? |
| 13:41.19 | ojwb | dberkholz: you'd have to become 3 people for 3 to work |
| 13:41.20 | |Kev| | Even better thinking! |
| 13:41.40 | scgtrp | clearly you should just submit an application for every idea on every org's ideas page |
| 13:41.45 | scgtrp | (and then make up a few of your own) |
| 13:41.48 | ajedwards | realistically I guess some people submit dozens, others only one |
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| 13:41.49 | dberkholz | ojwb: maybe. |
| 13:41.52 | kai | |Kev|: so if I write 10 applications, I'll be accepted twice? |
| 13:41.56 | scgtrp | *someone* is going to accept one ;) |
| 13:42.00 | |Kev| | ajedwards: Anyone submitting dozens won't get accepted, odds on. |
| 13:42.05 | ojwb | ajedwards: the average is < 2 |
| 13:42.11 | |Kev| | kai: Greedy. |
| 13:42.29 | dberkholz | although i kinda think the best strategy for acceptance is to purposely pick ideas that nobody else is mentioning on the mailing lists / irc |
| 13:42.50 | scgtrp | i tried that last year |
| 13:43.05 | scgtrp | then someone else submitted their own proposal for the same thing after me and presumably got accepted instead :( |
| 13:43.10 | ajedwards | are there any stats on how many proposals were made vs how many were accepted per org? |
| 13:43.10 | ojwb | based on observations this year, I'd suggest avoiding the first idea on the list |
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| 13:43.22 | ojwb | no |
| 13:43.27 | ojwb | at least not public ones |
| 13:43.34 | kai | I don't think it matters much |
| 13:43.35 | ajedwards | fair enough! :) |
| 13:43.46 | kai | I think there's some fluctuation every year |
| 13:43.49 | ajedwards | I'm more curious about the popularity... |
| 13:43.59 | ajedwards | *of this specific org. |
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| 13:44.26 | kai | probably less for the bigger orgs, but those tend to spread their slots across a lot of subprojects, so that'll ruin this statistic as well |
| 13:44.53 | saksham | the problem is when you write an application for a lesser wanted project |
| 13:44.53 | kai | scgtrp: did you ask the org why you didn't get in? |
| 13:45.01 | saksham | and your project is not selected |
| 13:45.05 | scgtrp | i did not |
| 13:45.08 | scgtrp | didn't occur to me to ask |
| 13:45.12 | saksham | it happens when lesser slots |
| 13:45.19 | kai | I'm usually happy to provide feedback |
| 13:45.20 | |Kev| | saksham: Projects are not selected. |
| 13:45.22 | |Kev| | Applications are. |
| 13:45.33 | kai | I bet most other mentors are as well |
| 13:45.36 | saksham | but if there are 2 slots, and 5 project ideas |
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| 13:45.38 | |Kev| | Sure, I am. |
| 13:45.42 | saksham | only 2 will be selected |
| 13:45.49 | |Kev| | saksham: Then the best two applications are selected. |
| 13:45.57 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: nice writeup |
| 13:46.01 | |Kev| | At least, that's what we do. |
| 13:46.01 | efes | |Kev|: Where's the list of socinfo ? |
| 13:46.08 | efes | commands |
| 13:46.09 | kai | saksham: what |Kev| said |
| 13:46.43 | kai | efes: /msg socinfo factoids search #gsoc * |
| 13:46.46 | kai | or something like that |
| 13:46.54 | saksham | if I have my own project idea |
| 13:47.00 | cemycc | How google calculate how much students to give for every organizations ? |
| 13:47.03 | saksham | and I submit it, |
| 13:47.22 | kai | saksham: I'd prefer to give the best two applications a try vs. poor students suggesting to work on something I really want |
| 13:47.43 | efes | \]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]\ |
| 13:47.45 | gevaerts | now *knows* that MatthewWilkes isn't entirely sane :) |
| 13:47.50 | kai | chances are I'm better off having a good student work on something else and having time to work on the thing I really want mysekf |
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| 13:48.05 | saksham | If I have my own project idea, and I submit it, only the existing mentors (of other projects) can choose to take it up? |
| 13:48.07 | kai | gevaerts: wait, you didn't know that before? |
| 13:48.17 | saksham | can't a new mentor come up if he likes it? |
| 13:48.23 | gevaerts | kai: I had a very strong suspicion |
| 13:48.25 | kai | saksham: they can sign up new mentors |
| 13:49.35 | thebolt | gevaerts: agreed |
| 13:50.00 | saksham | I'm in a similar situation :( All exisiting mentors are too busy to take up another new project. |
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| 13:50.53 | kai | similar to what?\ |
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| 13:51.28 | saksham | similar to what I described above... never mind.... |
| 13:51.34 | saksham | incorrect english |
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| 13:55.51 | boopathi | I have a doubt.. I have been working on a project for 2 years. Now i want to apply for gsoc in a similar proj... My question is should i have familiarity in the proj that i apply for.... |
| 13:58.40 | kai | familarity like what? |
| 13:58.42 | boopathi | To be more specific... I was working on a cms.. Now i would like to apply for another cms for gsoc. |
| 13:59.12 | boopathi | Familiarity in developing something for that |
| 13:59.14 | kai | well, knowing what the new project is about won't hurt |
| 13:59.29 | kai | knowing the language they work in will help as well |
| 13:59.36 | kai | do they have a qualification task? |
| 13:59.48 | boopathi | Ofcourse that matters.. Is it necessary to be well versed... In that. |
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| 14:00.22 | dberkholz | ojwb: fwiw, i do have those numbers (proposals/slot by org and so on). i'm gonna have to pass 'em by google before releasing anything though. |
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| 14:02.08 | kai | dberkholz: do you have numbers for how many students who wrote more than 3 proposals were accepted for one of them? :) |
| 14:02.16 | dberkholz | kai: no, i really want them though. |
| 14:02.24 | dberkholz | i've just got org-level stuff |
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| 14:03.01 | dberkholz | kai: i've got this fun idea for a graph of diminishing returns per additional proposal submitted |
| 14:03.12 | kai | perhaps we can bribe sverre with a can of troll-b-gone spray |
| 14:03.22 | dberkholz | with any luck, it'll show that it's almost worthless to do more than 3 |
| 14:03.33 | dberkholz | but maybe we'll be proven wrong and spam will be worthwhile. |
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| 14:06.11 | dberkholz | oh man, this curve is beautiful. i <3 data. |
| 14:06.12 | kai | dberkholz: then I'll send a patch for melange adding a "baleeted!!!" button :) |
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| 14:06.32 | |Kev| | Can we have a "balefire" button? |
| 14:07.29 | SRabbelier | Kapow! Request notifications working. |
| 14:07.31 | akashm1990 | What happens to messages sent during a net split? |
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| 14:07.50 | SRabbelier | akashm1990: they're like a branch falling in a forest if no-one hears |
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| 14:08.08 | |Kev| | akashm1990: They're delivered to evyrone on the same side of the split. |
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| 14:08.38 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: sweet! pushed? |
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| 14:08.50 | akashm1990 | Ok, so they dont get re synchronised when the network gets fixed? |
| 14:08.55 | |Kev| | akashm1990: Correct. |
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| 14:09.13 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: no, I'm finishing all notifications; I've got all the needed infrastructure to test the others now, so should be done under an hour |
| 14:09.28 | kai | great |
| 14:09.59 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: awesome. between that and average scores on the dashboard, we should pretty much have a usable webapp for evaluation |
| 14:10.18 | SRabbelier | :P |
| 14:10.23 | downeym | Except we have no way to assign proposals to mentors. |
| 14:10.28 | dberkholz | sure we do |
| 14:10.33 | dberkholz | i assigned two of them last night |
| 14:10.40 | kai | downeym: we don't? |
| 14:10.41 | downeym | My drop down list is always empty |
| 14:10.42 | ojwb | dberkholz: interesting |
| 14:10.48 | dberkholz | that's because no mentors have requested that app |
| 14:10.59 | dberkholz | it notes in a comment somewhere that you should be able to change that on your org profile |
| 14:11.00 | SRabbelier | Rather interesting read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit |
| 14:11.23 | ojwb | dberkholz: though if they are released, they'll instantly be wrong as a load of students decide to apply for the orgs with low apps/slot... |
| 14:11.26 | SRabbelier | downeym: what dberkholz said |
| 14:11.27 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: "See: Freenode"? |
| 14:11.45 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: hm? |
| 14:11.57 | kai | SRabbelier: the netsplit wiki page |
| 14:12.04 | dberkholz | ojwb: that's fine. the point is to offset the "hotness factor", which pretty much seems to determine the results |
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| 14:12.13 | downeym | SRabbelier dberkholz found it. :) thanksn! |
| 14:12.30 | downeym | s/sn/s/ |
| 14:12.46 | ojwb | dberkholz: well, maybe - i just wonder if it might do more harm than good |
| 14:12.50 | |Kev| | I supposed I perpetuated a falshood earlier. It's not even guaranteed that the very best application made to an accepted org will be accepted. |
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| 14:12.57 | kai | ojwb: if we publish that every year, we can chart the student migrations in a few years :) |
| 14:13.04 | ojwb | dberkholz: and we'd just end up with a hotness inversion |
| 14:13.11 | dberkholz | ojwb: that would be fine |
| 14:13.24 | dberkholz | i wouldn't mind seeing more students applying to "boring" infrastructure projects |
| 14:13.34 | kai | yay |
| 14:13.49 | kai | uncle samba needs you to code up... er... |
| 14:13.52 | ojwb | well, I think I'd rather students just applied for projects they actually want to do |
| 14:13.58 | ojwb | but I guess that already isn't the case |
| 14:14.08 | dberkholz | just imagine if we had like 20 people working on wget. it would be so awesome. |
| 14:14.11 | SRabbelier | ojwb: those in it for the money, yeah |
| 14:14.18 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: lol |
| 14:14.19 | kai | Browsing support in Samba 4 |
| 14:14.21 | kai | there |
| 14:14.27 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: it'd have a GUI interface |
| 14:14.37 | beng-nl_ | a graphical gui interface? |
| 14:14.38 | SRabbelier | kai: with GUI too? |
| 14:14.39 | |Kev| | Based on WebKit? |
| 14:14.41 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: we could call it a web browser! |
| 14:14.46 | kai | SRabbelier: totally |
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| 14:14.49 | SRabbelier | beng-nl_: yeah, I realised my mistake |
| 14:14.50 | kai | in C# |
| 14:14.54 | beng-nl_ | SRabbelier: ;-) |
| 14:14.55 | SRabbelier | kai: WIN |
| 14:15.04 | |Kev| | A graphical gui interface...for users :) |
| 14:15.08 | beng-nl_ | |Kev|: :-) |
| 14:15.22 | SRabbelier | |Kev|: how about a GUI for servers? |
| 14:15.26 | SRabbelier | |Kev|: insensitive clod |
| 14:15.36 | downeym | Is there any "hidden" way to see which proposals are unassigned? |
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| 14:15.55 | SRabbelier | downeym: no, but that can easily be added |
| 14:16.03 | SRabbelier | downeym: why do you need it? |
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| 14:21.42 | downeym | SRabbelier: Well, as new proposals come in, I'd like to be able to somehow sort by what I haven't been able to review assign to the appropriate mentors, rather than viewing each one to find out. We get a copule hundred proposals. :) I can open an issue for it. |
| 14:22.34 | SRabbelier | downeym: would a hidden column be acceptable? |
| 14:22.45 | SRabbelier | downeym: it's getting rather crowded already ;) |
| 14:22.47 | downeym | SRabbelier: Totally (at least for me.) :) |
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| 14:23.01 | SRabbelier | downeym: I'll add it right now, sec |
| 14:23.17 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: you might hide the org by default, as i'm guessing very few people are dual-org |
| 14:23.19 | downeym | SRabbelier++ |
| 14:23.54 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: mhhh, not sure, we could if Mario implements storing the column state in a cookie |
| 14:24.07 | dberkholz | at least on the mentoring side. students will definitely want it |
| 14:24.38 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: also, i'd really like it if requests were hidden by default after they were acted upon |
| 14:24.58 | ojwb | SRabbelier: well, it's not just those in it for the money who want to improves their chances of being accepted |
| 14:25.00 | dberkholz | i've got like 30 mentor requests for approved mentors sitting in my list |
| 14:25.33 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: yes, good one, issue for that please, as it's a bit more involved to implement |
| 14:25.36 | dberkholz | ojwb: btw ... presumably the proposals/slot ratio would equalize over time. there might be one "balancing" year |
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| 14:26.57 | redDragon | hi |
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| 14:27.20 | redDragon | is it too late to brainstorm ideas? |
| 14:27.50 | redDragon | with the organizations |
| 14:27.51 | redDragon | ? |
| 14:28.04 | DarthGandalf | You can ask them. |
| 14:28.20 | SRabbelier | I'll be displaying the raw mentor key |
| 14:28.25 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=1179 as requested |
| 14:28.29 | SRabbelier | since that's more or less free to retrieve anyway |
| 14:28.35 | DarthGandalf | For most orgs, you can still give ideas, I think. |
| 14:30.00 | ojwb | dberkholz: maybe |
| 14:30.08 | downeym | redDragon: Depends on the organization. Maybe not. You should ask. :) |
| 14:30.11 | ojwb | dberkholz: live stats might be better for that... |
| 14:30.26 | ojwb | though I guess you don't know #slots |
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| 14:30.51 | dberkholz | ojwb: yeah, the same thought had occurred to me |
| 14:30.58 | dberkholz | ojwb: but that means people would have to rewrite proposals on the fly |
| 14:31.08 | dberkholz | goes against the idea of getting involved early |
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| 14:31.35 | ojwb | dberkholz: actually, I think the latecomers would go where the space is, those involved early would pick the orgs they actually wanted to work with |
| 14:31.42 | ojwb | so it works for getting in early |
| 14:32.02 | dberkholz | maybe so |
| 14:32.24 | SRabbelier | downeym: implemented, will be live with the next release |
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| 14:32.39 | downeym | SRabbelier: Thanks! :) Shall I still open an issue even though it's done? |
| 14:32.44 | SRabbelier | downeym: nah |
| 14:32.48 | downeym | ok |
| 14:32.50 | SRabbelier | downeym: doesn't add anything |
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| 14:33.11 | dberkholz | hmm, here's a sanitized version -- http://dev.gentoo.org/~dberkholz/gsoc/proposals_per_slot.png |
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| 14:34.49 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: what is it? :D |
| 14:35.08 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: or, better question, how did you gather the data? |
| 14:35.12 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: if there were any numbers or labels, it would tell you that it's a really bad idea to apply to some orgs |
| 14:35.31 | SRabbelier | grins |
| 14:35.38 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: now I'm definitely very curious how you got that data |
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| 14:35.47 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: a spreadsheet from carol |
| 14:35.53 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: ah, cool :) |
| 14:36.00 | ojwb | hmm, it's not too hard to fit numbers to that though, is it? |
| 14:36.06 | SRabbelier | wonders how Carols got it |
| 14:36.27 | dberkholz | i know she got at least some of it from you |
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| 14:36.53 | dberkholz | it's just a list of orgs with proposal count, slot count, and passed count |
| 14:37.20 | SRabbelier | nods |
| 14:37.25 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: sounds feasible |
| 14:37.35 | kai | dberkholz: if you overlay the passed count, how does that look? :) |
| 14:37.47 | SRabbelier | kai: oh! interesting one |
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| 14:38.10 | kai | hm, wait, actually it doesn't make too much sense |
| 14:38.21 | scgtrp | !timeline |
| 14:38.22 | socinfo | scgtrp: "timeline" is http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
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| 14:39.18 | kai | I think the fact that one student failing causes a larger fail% for small orgs |
| 14:39.26 | ojwb | that's true - students after the money want to pass, not just be accepted... |
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| 14:40.07 | kai | I like how that curve looks more like a shark fin than like a bell curve |
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| 14:41.16 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: can you PM me the non-sanitized version? |
| 14:41.54 | SRabbelier | really hopes his IRC handle never gets hijacked |
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| 14:42.01 | dberkholz | kai: you can see a definite binning due to small orgs. |
| 14:42.04 | dberkholz | w/ pass ratios |
| 14:42.20 | dberkholz | peaks at 1/3, 1/2, etc. |
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| 14:46.02 | ojwb | and 1/1? |
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| 14:46.15 | ojwb | that would be a sad peak... |
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| 14:48.33 | mgaunard_ | kai: where can I see this curve |
| 14:49.02 | dberkholz | ojwb: the 1/1 overlaps with the overall very high ratio around 85-100% so it's hard to see... |
| 14:49.18 | dberkholz | there is a little one close to 0 though. |
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| 14:49.33 | ojwb | oh, I thought you were talk 1/3 failing |
| 14:49.39 | kai | mgaunard_: which curve |
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| 14:50.21 | mgaunard_ | kai: the one you're discussing |
| 14:50.24 | mgaunard_ | I missed the link |
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| 14:51.03 | SRabbe1ier | dberkholz: my client dropped the url, can you pm again? |
| 14:51.06 | SRabbe1ier | ;) |
| 14:51.45 | mgaunard_ | dberkholz: I'd like to see it too |
| 14:51.55 | dberkholz | SRabbe1ier: oh, you're sneaky. |
| 14:52.31 | SRabbelier | kai: nice going |
| 14:52.35 | dberkholz | i hide nick changes so i didn't notice that |
| 14:52.49 | SRabbelier | I don't hide them and I didn't see it either :) |
| 14:52.53 | beng-nl_ | :) |
| 14:53.07 | marekweb | Do you guys think a proposal can be too long? |
| 14:53.12 | SRabbelier | kai: how did you hide it? :P |
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| 14:53.18 | MatthewWilkes | marekweb: no |
| 14:53.20 | marekweb | I don't want to put my org to sleep |
| 14:53.27 | SRabbelier | marekweb: depends on the org perhaps |
| 14:53.35 | MatthewWilkes | marekweb: Don't waffle, only make it as long as it needs to be |
| 14:53.36 | |Kev| | marekweb: Certainly, but only if you're trying to fill it with content that isn't there. |
| 14:53.38 | thebolt | SRabbelier: he didn't change, he joined under a different nick ;) |
| 14:53.40 | MatthewWilkes | It can be too padded, but not too long |
| 14:53.51 | aghisla | if you find it boring reading it yourself, it is probably too long |
| 14:53.55 | marekweb | good point |
| 14:54.04 | SRabbelier | thebolt: ah, I do hide joins |
| 14:54.12 | |Kev| | aghisla: If you find it boring reading it yourself, it's too boring, it needn't be too long :) |
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| 14:54.48 | SRabbelier | kai: the link is at http://dev.gentoo.org/~dberkholz/gsoc/secret/proposals_per_slot_hidden.png |
| 14:54.53 | SRabbelier | oops ;) |
| 14:55.26 | |Kev| | 404! |
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| 14:55.43 | SRabbelier | grins |
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| 14:58.54 | aghisla | |Kev|: yup :P |
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| 15:04.55 | cronco | quick question: will i get a mail notification if a comment is added to a proposal of mine? |
| 15:05.08 | SRabbelier | cronco: not yet, soon |
| 15:05.16 | SRabbelier | request acceptance/rejection mails are working too now |
| 15:05.25 | cronco | SRabbelier: thanks :) |
| 15:05.47 | cronco | so F5 it is, for now |
| 15:06.09 | SRabbelier | cronco: easy on our servers please! :P |
| 15:06.39 | cronco | will do :) |
| 15:06.40 | |Kev| | mumbles XEP-0060 quietly, and slinks back to the shadows. |
| 15:07.14 | SRabbelier | |Kev|: you want an XMMP message when there's a new comment? |
| 15:07.23 | SRabbelier | |Kev|: that's actually a cool idea for a GSoC project for Melange |
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| 15:07.29 | |Kev| | SRabbelier: I was suggesting that Publish/Subscribe beats Polling. |
| 15:07.32 | cronco | it sure is |
| 15:07.48 | |Kev| | I'd love to have the Melange structure exposed over pubsub :) |
| 15:07.53 | thebolt | sometimes at least :) |
| 15:08.07 | cronco | i'd love to work on some improvements on melange |
| 15:08.12 | cronco | but I'm no pythonite |
| 15:08.23 | dberkholz | yeah, rss for melange would be pretty sweet. |
| 15:08.27 | |Kev| | Then you can subscribe to only the nodes (proposals) that interest you (or the collection node for the whole org) and get updates etc. |
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| 15:10.01 | SRabbelier | |Kev|: if you want add a note about pubsub to the "integrate with other apis" idea on http://code.google.com/p/soc/wiki/GSoC2011Ideas |
| 15:10.42 | |Kev| | Is that really interesting to the rest of the world? I assumed I was off on one of my rare, but fun, XMPP rants :) |
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| 15:10.58 | SRabbelier | |Kev|: I'd like a bot that tells me stuff |
| 15:11.02 | SRabbelier | |Kev|: instead of a barrage of emails |
| 15:11.14 | SRabbelier | |Kev|: and AppEngine already has XMPP integration anyway |
| 15:11.27 | cronco | RSS would be awesome |
| 15:11.30 | cronco | XMPP too |
| 15:11.52 | SRabbelier | RSS is tricky since it's not authenticated |
| 15:12.01 | |Kev| | I *think* AppEngine only has very basic XMPP integration (Only able to send <message><body>$STUFF</body></message>, not arbitrary payloads), although I could very easily be wrong on that. |
| 15:12.19 | SRabbelier | |Kev|: it's good enough to use for Google Chat :P |
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| 15:12.29 | dberkholz | SRabbe1ier: rss can be authenticated |
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| 15:12.34 | |Kev| | It's good enough for chat message,s yes. |
| 15:12.45 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: wrom me |
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| 15:12.55 | SRabbelier | **wrong |
| 15:13.20 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: and, no, that doesn't work in Google Reader ;) |
| 15:13.25 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: so it doesn't count :) |
| 15:13.33 | beng-nl_ | ohhh minix is featured on the gsoc 2011 homepage :-) |
| 15:13.43 | beng-nl_ | *squeee* |
| 15:13.47 | SRabbelier | neato :) |
| 15:13.57 | MatthewWilkes | |Kev|: But XMPP is just for chat. |
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| 15:14.04 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: Save me⦠|
| 15:14.09 | beng-nl_ | SRabbelier: logos look nice! |
| 15:14.16 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: fwiw, there's pass-through sites that'll give you a randomized de-authenticated feed |
| 15:14.18 | SRabbelier | beng-nl_: agreed |
| 15:14.24 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: you deserve whatever |Kev| does to you |
| 15:14.33 | |Kev| | MatthewWilkes: There is not enough balefire in the world to make up for that. |
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| 15:14.40 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: right, and I don't want people to (have to) use that |
| 15:14.52 | MatthewWilkes | |Kev|: Cupcakes then? |
| 15:14.58 | SRabbelier | |Kev|: methinks you only need about... oh... 2 minutes |
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| 15:16.56 | SRabbelier | request/invite notification is working! |
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| 15:18.11 | kai | SRabbelier: I didn't hide a nick change, I just opened a new irssi |
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| 15:18.28 | SRabbelier | kai: yeah, I'm hiding joins/parts |
| 15:18.30 | dberkholz | either way, i hide all that stuff. |
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| 15:19.01 | dberkholz | kai: you can connect twice from the same irssi too |
| 15:19.10 | dberkholz | i usually do that during the conflict mtg |
| 15:19.33 | SRabbelier | hates python super calls |
| 15:19.47 | SRabbelier | they're just no fun to do |
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| 15:20.36 | marekweb | I can edit my proposal content after I submit it, is this correct? |
| 15:20.38 | kai | dberkholz: possibly, but just switching the console and doing an irssi -c irc.freenode.net -n SRabbe1ier was quicker |
| 15:20.45 | kai | dberkholz: less thinking, that is |
| 15:20.58 | SRabbelier | marekweb: yes |
| 15:21.08 | ojwb | marekweb: yes |
| 15:21.16 | kai | !edit |
| 15:21.17 | socinfo | kai: "edit" is You can edit your proposal up until the application deadline on April 8th, 19:00 UTC. |
| 15:21.31 | SRabbelier | !learn edit as After which the world will end!! |
| 15:21.31 | socinfo | SRabbelier: The operation succeeded. |
| 15:21.33 | SRabbelier | !edit |
| 15:21.35 | socinfo | SRabbelier: "edit" is (#1) You can edit your proposal up until the application deadline on April 8th, 19:00 UTC., or (#2) After which the world will end!! |
| 15:21.37 | SRabbelier | giggles |
| 15:21.47 | kai | !forget edit 2 |
| 15:21.48 | socinfo | kai: The operation succeeded. |
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| 15:21.51 | SRabbelier | :( |
| 15:21.54 | kai | meh, children |
| 15:22.02 | SRabbelier | kai: no fun |
| 15:22.42 | kai | of course not, I'm german, and don't mention the war ;) |
| 15:22.46 | MatthewWilkes | +1 |
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| 15:23.02 | SRabbelier | hehe |
| 15:23.57 | ojwb | MatthewWilkes: hmm, python implemented in javascript |
| 15:24.19 | MatthewWilkes | that was thanks to emscripten and LLVM |
| 15:24.20 | ojwb | pictures an increasing insane stack of languages implemented in each other |
| 15:24.21 | MatthewWilkes | We did the storage stuff and the UI |
| 15:24.21 | SRabbelier | are there any cool languages implemented in pure python? |
| 15:24.32 | SRabbelier | ojwb: exactly my thoughts |
| 15:24.37 | SRabbelier | there's always pypy |
| 15:24.39 | SRabbelier | **pypi |
| 15:24.43 | ojwb | MatthewWilkes: yes, I realise |
| 15:24.45 | SRabbelier | no, pypy :P |
| 15:24.59 | MatthewWilkes | :) Don't want to take credit for the work of others |
| 15:25.08 | kai | I still think this is a bad choice of project name |
| 15:25.21 | ojwb | MatthewWilkes: you'll never get a place in gsoc with that attitude |
| 15:25.33 | marekweb | heh |
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| 15:26.04 | SRabbelier | ojwb: *chortle* |
| 15:26.17 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: Dude, can I have a spot with melange? I wrote, like, the whole thing. |
| 15:26.17 | PassingBy | what constitutes an infrastructure project? |
| 15:26.27 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: done deal |
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| 15:26.36 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: no need to write anything then |
| 15:26.45 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: we'll just pass you for the evals with no code required! |
| 15:26.55 | SRabbelier | PassingBy: a project in which you work on infrastructure |
| 15:26.58 | SRabbelier | hides |
| 15:27.11 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: yay |
| 15:27.24 | PassingBy | ah haha |
| 15:28.40 | SRabbelier | wonders if there's a reading of Jaberwocky on the youtubes |
| 15:28.53 | SRabbelier | indeed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rpCUZXLuck |
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| 15:33.48 | cr49tk | Any Processing mentor here? |
| 15:34.01 | gevaerts | !any |
| 15:34.01 | |Kev| | !anyone |
| 15:34.03 | socinfo | |Kev|: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. Try searching for the org's contact info or even just try a /join #<mentoring org here> |
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| 15:37.23 | JanisB | I am trying to submit 2 very similar proposals for 2 different organizations - is it allowed to "just copy" some parts (e.g. about-me part) from one proposal to another? |
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| 15:38.50 | |Kev| | JanisB: Yes. |
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| 15:39.18 | |Kev| | All the text should be applicable to the org you're submitting, but assuming you're the same person when you're applying to both... |
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| 15:40.47 | laserbled | hi...the time stamp given in the comments....is it UTC time ? |
| 15:40.55 | SRabbelier | laserbled: yes |
| 15:41.06 | laserbled | okie..cool |
| 15:41.16 | JanisB | btw, is it possible to edit comments after submitting |
| 15:41.18 | JanisB | ? |
| 15:41.25 | SRabbelier | JanisB: no |
| 15:41.25 | JanisB | *own comments |
| 15:41.51 | SRabbelier | !edit learn edit as Comments on proposals however, can _not_ be edited after submitting. |
| 15:41.57 | SRabbelier | !learn edit as Comments on proposals however, can _not_ be edited after submitting. |
| 15:41.58 | socinfo | SRabbelier: The operation succeeded. |
| 15:41.59 | SRabbelier | !edit |
| 15:42.01 | socinfo | SRabbelier: "edit" is (#1) You can edit your proposal up until the application deadline on April 8th, 19:00 UTC., or (#2) Comments on proposals however, can _not_ be edited after submitting. |
| 15:42.13 | JanisB | SRabbelier, |Kev|, thank you |
| 15:42.15 | SRabbelier | kai: acceptable? |
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| 15:43.02 | aghisla | sad, html tags in my comment are messed up |
| 15:43.34 | SRabbelier | !moredata |
| 15:43.35 | socinfo | SRabbelier: "moredata" is Please provide more data on your problem, have you tried turning it on and off again? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p85xwZ_OLX0 |
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| 15:43.38 | SRabbelier | aghisla: ^ |
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| 15:47.51 | aghisla | well that's not a matter of life or death |
| 15:48.40 | aghisla | i use epiphany and i wrote a comment, that misses </body> at the end. |
| 15:49.53 | SRabbelier | aghisla: comments shouldn't include body tags anyway |
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| 15:51.07 | SRabbelier | Any requests as to what notification subjects should look like? |
| 15:51.14 | SRabbelier | example: |
| 15:51.24 | SRabbelier | (or not, stupid Synergy) |
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| 15:51.37 | SRabbelier | example: '[%(group)s] New proposal %(proposal_name)s' |
| 15:51.59 | aghisla | SRabbelier: i didn't write any explicit tag, i saw all of them after comment submission |
| 15:52.13 | SRabbelier | aghisla: ah, curious |
| 15:52.21 | aghisla | shrugs |
| 15:52.24 | SRabbelier | another example: [%(group)s] New request from %(requester)s to become a %(role_verbose)s' |
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| 15:52.34 | SRabbelier | speak now or hold your silence forever! :P |
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| 15:53.49 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: will the From be something unique to melange? |
| 15:54.09 | dberkholz | as long as i can filter, i don't care so much about the subjects |
| 15:54.18 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: yes, it'll be no-reply@socghop.appspotmail.com |
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| 15:56.33 | |Kev| | Morning carols. |
| 15:56.43 | carols | morning |Kev| |
| 15:56.54 | carols | how's it going in here> |
| 15:56.54 | carols | ? |
| 15:57.12 | dberkholz | we're getting all hot and bothered about the coming email notifications |
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| 15:57.54 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: are you sure that's PG-13? :P |
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| 15:58.36 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: i think the rule is that the clothes must stay on for that rating. |
| 15:58.43 | thebolt | hi carols |
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| 15:59.06 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: not quite |
| 15:59.27 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PG-13#Language |
| 16:00.24 | marekweb | I formatted my proposal with plain <p> and <ul> elements; however, when displayed on the site, the two seem to be styled with a differing font size. The default <p> font is also quite small, also, is this intended? |
| 16:01.14 | SRabbelier | marekweb: we're thinking on a way to get the default melange css to not interfere with that used in documents |
| 16:01.19 | SRabbelier | s/documents/comments/ |
| 16:01.23 | dberkholz | carols: i made a fun graph from that data you sent; wanna see? |
| 16:01.44 | carols | hi the |
| 16:01.46 | carols | hi thebolt |
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| 16:02.25 | SRabbelier | !gsocable |
| 16:02.26 | socinfo | SRabbelier: "gsocable" is Follow this handy flowchart to see if you are eligible http://goo.gl/kvCSv (text version at http://goo.gl/ImfNT) |
| 16:02.30 | SRabbelier | errr, no |
| 16:02.32 | SRabbelier | !goodenough |
| 16:02.33 | socinfo | SRabbelier: "goodenough" is Am I good enough to be a student for GSoC? http://www.booki.cc/gsocstudentguide/_v/1.0/am-i-good-enough/ |
| 16:03.29 | carols | dberkholz: sure! i like fun graphs |
| 16:03.41 | dberkholz | carols: query incoming |
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| 16:07.26 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: high latency |
| 16:07.53 | dberkholz | ? |
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| 16:08.15 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: oh, query as in, PM, nvm :) |
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| 16:16.43 | luizribeiro | is there anywhere I can see all the publicly available proposals on melange? |
| 16:16.51 | kps_foo | Hi facing a bug in melange, I was updating my proposal and I resized the proposal text entry box to huge size, and now the lower right hand resize corner is invisible under the blue layer |
| 16:17.10 | kps_foo | now I can't resize the proposal text entry box :( |
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| 16:17.36 | thebolt | hi lh |
| 16:18.02 | lh | thebolt: greetings! |
| 16:18.21 | thebolt | how're you doing? |
| 16:19.29 | carols | kps_foo: you want to speak to SRabbelier about that |
| 16:19.32 | carols | hey lh |
| 16:19.38 | carols | serves lh some coffee |
| 16:19.42 | kps_foo | carols: ok thanks |
| 16:19.48 | lh | carols: thank you, i really need it this morning :) |
| 16:19.48 | SRabbelier | kps_foo: soemone had that earlier |
| 16:19.51 | SRabbelier | kps_foo: clear your browser cache |
| 16:19.55 | lh | offers carol some of her croissant |
| 16:19.56 | carols | lh: you're welcome :-) |
| 16:19.57 | kps_foo | SRabbelier: ok |
| 16:19.59 | carols | yay! |
| 16:19.59 | PassingBy | yup that does the trick |
| 16:20.02 | kps_foo | SRabbelier: thanks |
| 16:20.04 | carols | munches some croissant |
| 16:20.08 | kps_foo | will try that |
| 16:20.08 | SRabbelier | PassingBy: :) |
| 16:20.13 | kps_foo | :) |
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| 16:34.05 | dberkholz | oh good, our new blog post is up |
| 16:34.16 | dberkholz | The DOs and DONâTs of Google Summer of Code: Organization Administrator Edition â http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2011/04/dos-and-donts-of-google-summer-of-code.html |
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| 16:37.34 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: ah, nice! |
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| 16:41.28 | SRabbelier | did the skype certificate expire? 0.O |
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| 16:43.13 | kugel | carols: ping |
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| 16:43.42 | kugel | melange doesn't see my existing student profile |
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| 16:43.58 | kugel | I suspect because google changed the primary email address behind my back |
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| 16:46.26 | kugel | when I try to make a new student profile my user id is already taken, that must be my last year's profile |
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| 16:47.49 | dberkholz | |Kev|, Nightrose: mind if i link to our blog posts on the mentors list? |
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| 16:48.07 | |Kev| | dberkholz: Take a guess :) |
| 16:49.42 | kblin | checks his napalm supply |
| 16:49.54 | SRabbelier | kugel: that can be fixed |
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| 16:50.04 | kugel | how? |
| 16:50.10 | kblin | I'm missing a "don't troll the mailing list" ;) |
| 16:50.14 | SRabbelier | kugel: please send me an email from the account that is registered to your link_id, include the link_id in the email, and the desired new email address |
| 16:50.24 | SRabbelier | kblin: agreed |
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| 16:51.05 | dberkholz | kblin: we were going for the 50% problems, not the 0.1% ones =) |
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| 16:51.36 | prince_saimian_h | wow |
| 16:51.37 | kugel | SRabbelier: as I can't seem to change the primary email again I suspect I should use this as the new email address? |
| 16:51.44 | kblin | dberkholz: there's 350% problems total? ;) |
| 16:51.56 | prince_saimian_h | :))) |
| 16:51.56 | dberkholz | the same org is allowed to have more than one |
| 16:52.10 | |Kev| | dberkholz: (That was an "I don't mind", for the sake of being explicit) |
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| 16:52.44 | kugel | SRabbelier: also, can you please tell me your email? :) |
| 16:53.02 | kblin | kugel: his nick at gmail |
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| 16:56.30 | SRabbelier | kblin: thanks |
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| 16:57.18 | kugel | SRabbelier: sent |
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| 16:58.00 | Nightrose | dberkholz: heh - what |Kev| said |
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| 16:59.57 | desti_T2 | is someone from astrometry.net here? |
| 17:01.50 | SRabbelier | !anyone |
| 17:01.51 | socinfo | SRabbelier: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. Try searching for the org's contact info or even just try a /join #<mentoring org here> |
| 17:02.41 | kugel | SRabbelier: I'd rather have my old email as primary back though if possible :) |
| 17:03.04 | SRabbelier | kugel: yeah, I'll associate your google account with your link_id, instead of your email address |
| 17:03.24 | kugel | ok |
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| 17:04.29 | Nightrose | SRabbelier: we can add that part just for you :P |
| 17:05.32 | SRabbelier | Nightrose: please please do ^^ |
| 17:05.35 | achillion | What's the fail rate of projects from past years? Also, what constitutes a project failure? Is it just the student not submitting because (s)he gave up half way, or does it also include full submissions that just don't meet the organization's (and the project's) standards? |
| 17:05.43 | Nightrose | dberkholz: |Kev| ^ |
| 17:05.51 | Nightrose | we need a trolling section |
| 17:06.19 | |Kev| | Nightrose: On the mentors post? |
| 17:06.23 | Nightrose | achillion: it depends on the org and mentor what they consider fail-worthy |
| 17:06.31 | Nightrose | |Kev|: that's what SRabbelier is asking for |
| 17:06.37 | |Kev| | Ok. |
| 17:06.45 | dberkholz | achillion: includes both. i think the passing rate is about 85â90% |
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| 17:07.09 | achillion | Nightrose, dberkholz: thanks |
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| 17:29.33 | tazz | ping carols, may i pm ? |
| 17:31.15 | wyuka | can anyone give me link to a sample gsoc proposal? |
| 17:31.20 | Mek | doesn't see any computer or other irc client within carols reach :P |
| 17:31.31 | |Kev| | wyuka: See the student handbook. |
| 17:32.02 | wyuka | |Kev|: where is it? |
| 17:32.09 | wyuka | on google-melange? |
| 17:32.34 | tazz | wyuka, http://goo.gl/EvyrX here are some kde related examples. |
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| 17:37.27 | kugel | SRabbelier: did you do your magic already? |
| 17:37.43 | SRabbelier | kugel: nope, will be a while |
| 17:38.18 | kugel | okay, I'll try tomorrow then (and post my current state of the application as text on the ml of my organization) |
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| 17:56.10 | carols | tazz: yes |
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| 17:57.18 | morice-net | Nightrose: that's true that you attract some people at the conf.kde.in they are all talking about you :D |
| 17:57.51 | Nightrose | morice-net: :D |
| 17:57.58 | Nightrose | i seem to have done a good job there yes |
| 17:58.01 | Nightrose | it was soooo cool |
| 17:58.09 | morice-net | Nightrose: that's great thanks !! |
| 17:58.16 | dberkholz | i figured it would've been hot there |
| 17:58.32 | Nightrose | dberkholz: lol - it was actually really nice coming from cold germany |
| 17:58.42 | Nightrose | the indians thought it was way too hot |
| 17:58.46 | Nightrose | i loved it |
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| 17:59.03 | morice-net | Nightrose: germany wasn't cold this week-end |
| 17:59.20 | Nightrose | heh no - but at the time conf.kde.in happened |
| 17:59.21 | morice-net | Nightrose: we had a Calligra sprint under the sun |
| 17:59.36 | Nightrose | ahh yeah |
| 17:59.38 | Nightrose | nice |
| 17:59.57 | morice-net | cannot conplain, it's sunny in Toulouse, France too now :) |
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| 18:00.47 | gsoc_Sog3k1nG | admins ? anyone ? |
| 18:00.56 | Nightrose | gsoc_Sog3k1nG: yes |
| 18:01.02 | gsoc_Sog3k1nG | i have a question regarding the google open source program's proposals.. |
| 18:01.04 | Nightrose | what do you need? |
| 18:01.08 | Nightrose | ah |
| 18:01.20 | Nightrose | well ask away - maybe someone can answer |
| 18:01.47 | gsoc_Sog3k1nG | can ANYONE i know, like a professor or someone become a mentor ? |
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| 18:03.39 | dhaun | gsoc_Sog3k1nG: well, in theory, I guess - but the orgs will prefer mentors they already know and who are familiar with the org and their code |
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| 18:04.04 | Nightrose | dhaun: i think he means the ospo projects |
| 18:04.17 | gsoc_Sog3k1nG | yeah |
| 18:04.18 | gsoc_Sog3k1nG | i am talking about THE GOOGLE OSPO |
| 18:04.27 | Nightrose | so basically yes |
| 18:04.31 | dhaun | ah okay |
| 18:04.45 | Nightrose | but i am not sure if it needs to be an academic advisor or can be someone outside your university too |
| 18:05.05 | Nightrose | the faq probably has details |
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| 18:08.11 | benste | thorsten - in here ? |
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| 18:09.15 | downeym | gsoc_Sog3k1nG: http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/faqs#no_org |
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| 18:09.48 | carols | gsoc_Sog3k1nG: it needs to be an academic advisor who can evaluate your progress on the project |
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| 18:11.35 | Nightrose | waves at carols and wishes she could be at camp too |
| 18:11.41 | benste | gonna ask a strange question: - I didn't work with C / C++ yet but wanted to learn it this summer anyway and have already a lot of experience with Python and an odd thing called Delphi - can i apply for a task which requires C++ knowledge ? |
| 18:11.48 | carols | waves to Nightrose |
| 18:11.52 | carols | you are missed |
| 18:11.56 | Nightrose | :D |
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| 18:12.15 | gevaerts | benste: you can apply, yes, but I think it would be very hard |
| 18:12.52 | gevaerts | wonders why we haven't had tea, coffee and cookies yet, so he runs off to get some |
| 18:13.04 | benste | gevaerts: well it's hard to find a non C++ task too :-) |
| 18:13.53 | gevaerts | benste: it is? 120 out of 175 organisations do not list C++ |
| 18:14.20 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: what regexp did you use for that? :P |
| 18:14.26 | gevaerts | While on the other hand 59 of them do list python! |
| 18:14.38 | benste | well they don't list anything either - or maybe it's a problem that I'm looking for organisations which software iuse only :-) |
| 18:14.53 | redDragon2011 | try osgeo |
| 18:14.58 | benste | gevaerts: I'll continue to search - 4 days left :-) |
| 18:15.02 | gevaerts | SRabbelier: I cheated and just typed "c++" without regexps and then subtracted the result from 175 :) |
| 18:15.15 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: eghehe |
| 18:15.22 | gevaerts | comes back with tea, coffee and cookies |
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| 18:15.37 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: took you long enough |
| 18:16.16 | gevaerts | SRabbelier: I was interrupted by someone not finding non-c++ projects :) |
| 18:16.32 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: hmhp, fine |
| 18:16.50 | Nightrose | steals some cookies from gevaerts |
| 18:19.31 | benste | gevaerts: whats the reg expr to supsract those 40 + C++ entrys within the python serach results ? :-) |
| 18:19.50 | MatthewWilkes | ah :) Just got off a conference call with the mentors of the org we vouched for - I like this new system |
| 18:19.59 | spectie | !timeline |
| 18:20.00 | socinfo | spectie: "timeline" is http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
| 18:20.34 | gevaerts | benste: I'm one of those annoying people who think that only students who are masters at regular expressions should be allowed to apply to gsoc ;) |
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| 18:20.48 | MatthewWilkes | carols: Ftr, this vouching for orgs thing is a success so far in my books |
| 18:21.00 | mundialboy346 | Hi everyone |
| 18:21.07 | carols | MatthewWilkes: why thank you for saying so. i'm glad to hear that. |
| 18:21.12 | benste | gevaerts: not everyone completed his studies yet |
| 18:21.17 | carols | MatthewWilkes: what in particular prompts you to say that? |
| 18:21.55 | MatthewWilkes | carols: I just had a twenty minute conference call with the Connexions guys on how we could help them throughout SoC and strategies for interviews, mentoring, etc |
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| 18:22.36 | carols | MatthewWilkes: wow, that is awesome :-) |
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| 18:23.23 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: did you use BigBlueButton? |
| 18:23.37 | mundialboy346 | I found out if that if I'm not currently enrolled in a higher education institution then I'm not eligible to participate. What happen if I couldn't renew my visa on time and I had to lose a semester?? |
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| 18:24.58 | mundialboy346 | I was enrolled in Utah State from fall2007 to fall2010. I have my transcript to prove it. |
| 18:25.01 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: ? |
| 18:25.07 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: for the conf call |
| 18:25.29 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: No, skype. My favourite is Calliflower |
| 18:25.45 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: calliflower, how clever |
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| 18:26.05 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: Plone has premium accounts for the board and framework teams |
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| 18:26.18 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: heh, how wasteful ;) |
| 18:26.21 | Ophiuchi | good evening |
| 18:26.44 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: Supporting the software that we use, yes, how wasteful⦠|
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| 18:27.19 | ahel | Ophiuchi: to you! |
| 18:27.29 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: heheh :P |
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| 18:31.21 | mundialboy346 | Hi everyone |
| 18:31.32 | mundialboy346 | Hi everyone |
| 18:31.42 | mundialboy346 | I found out if that if I'm not currently enrolled in a higher education institution then I'm not eligible to participate. What happen if I couldn't renew my visa on time and I had to lose a semester?? |
| 18:32.06 | mundialboy346 | Does anybody know the answer to this?? |
| 18:32.20 | mundialboy346 | I was enrolled in Utah State from fall2007 to fall2010. I have my transcript to prove it. |
| 18:32.44 | downeym | mundialboy346: If you're not enrolled on the specified date, you're not eligible. |
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| 18:34.26 | mundialboy346 | damn.... I'll have to wait for next year then. Thanks downeym |
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| 18:35.20 | SRabbelier | !gsocable |
| 18:35.22 | socinfo | SRabbelier: "gsocable" is Follow this handy flowchart to see if you are eligible http://goo.gl/kvCSv (text version at http://goo.gl/ImfNT) |
| 18:35.55 | downeym | Ooh, pretty |
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| 18:37.38 | CrawfordComeaux | How many slots would be recommended for a first-time org? |
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| 18:38.31 | carols | CrawfordComeaux: a couple |
| 18:38.35 | carols | at most |
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| 18:38.54 | CrawfordComeaux | carols: ok |
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| 18:39.23 | CrawfordComeaux | is that due to time it takes to admin over everyone? |
| 18:40.12 | SRabbelier | CrawfordComeaux: more to make sure you've got what it takes as an org |
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| 18:40.20 | SRabbelier | CrawfordComeaux: show us that you can walk first ;) |
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| 18:42.16 | CrawfordComeaux | SRabbelier: Hmmm. Ok. Looks like I won't be needing to appropriate majority of my work time this summer to admin'ing, I guess. Does Google ultimately decide how many slots an org gets? |
| 18:42.36 | gevaerts | yes |
| 18:42.42 | SRabbelier | CrawfordComeaux: yeah, that's up to carols and cdibona |
| 18:42.54 | carols | CrawfordComeaux: yes we do |
| 18:42.56 | dberkholz | CrawfordComeaux: heh, did you see our blog post =) |
| 18:43.04 | wtachi | !numslots |
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| 18:43.12 | wtachi | !slots |
| 18:43.14 | socinfo | wtachi: "slots" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/site/site/studentallocations |
| 18:43.27 | dberkholz | high-fives carols |
| 18:43.36 | carols | thanks dberkholz |
| 18:43.39 | carols | that was hard |
| 18:43.49 | CrawfordComeaux | dberkholz: I did not :) |
| 18:44.04 | dberkholz | CrawfordComeaux: http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2011/04/dos-and-donts-of-google-summer-of-code.html |
| 18:44.10 | dberkholz | see point 2 |
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| 18:45.45 | LetterRip | carols - a student has proposed doing some code that has a dependency on a freely available but closed source library. (Motion capture into blender using the xbox kinnect - the kinnect has an open source driver library and setup library; but the library for translating to skeletal motion is closed source). So he needs to know if that is allowable within the scope of gsoc |
| 18:45.58 | gevaerts | gives carols a cup of freshly brewed coffee and some chocolate to remind her of the good things in gsoc |
| 18:46.21 | CrawfordComeaux | I'm actually looking at point 3, since we're acting as an umbrella org for different groups in our city (but we're young, so everything's in planning phases right now) |
| 18:46.31 | carols | thank you gevaerts |
| 18:46.37 | gevaerts | You're welcome! |
| 18:46.39 | carols | LetterRip: is all the code produced going to be open source? |
| 18:46.43 | LetterRip | yep |
| 18:47.59 | LetterRip | everything he creates will be open source |
| 18:48.04 | carols | LetterRip: is your org ok with it? will it benefit the open source world in general? |
| 18:48.24 | LetterRip | the first is a maybe - the second is a yes |
| 18:48.36 | LetterRip | for the first we will discuss it, but wanted to check here first |
| 18:48.42 | CrawfordComeaux | dberkholz: we also got word that our donors will be matching 50% of all payouts to students, so we're even more motivated now to get our students to the finish line successfully :D |
| 18:49.03 | dberkholz | CrawfordComeaux: they're matching to the students, or to your org? |
| 18:49.08 | CrawfordComeaux | to our org |
| 18:49.16 | LetterRip | we have had a similar situation in the past with some other closed hardware |
| 18:49.19 | LetterRip | and allowed it |
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| 18:49.24 | LetterRip | but outside the gsoc context |
| 18:49.29 | LetterRip | so it is a probably yes |
| 18:49.32 | SRabbelier | CrawfordComeaux: they should pay out regardless of whether the student succeed |
| 18:49.38 | SRabbelier | CrawfordComeaux: otherwise I don't think that's fair |
| 18:50.04 | carols | LetterRip: then sure. this is fine with me. we all accept that people in OSS have to interact with tools and products that are closed-source from time to time. |
| 18:50.13 | LetterRip | ok |
| 18:50.14 | LetterRip | thanks |
| 18:50.18 | SRabbelier | LetterRip: we're not RMS after all :P |
| 18:50.23 | LetterRip | right :) |
| 18:50.39 | CrawfordComeaux | SRabbelier: I think they may be paying out $2500/student regardless of success, but I simply can't be quoted on that :) |
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| 18:50.51 | LetterRip | we are pragmatic as well |
| 18:51.06 | SRabbelier | CrawfordComeaux: now _that_ would be most excelllent |
| 18:51.16 | gevaerts | CrawfordComeaux: one thing you could do is fund extra students :) |
| 18:51.39 | CrawfordComeaux | gevaerts: that's true, however we kind of need to eat ;) |
| 18:52.02 | gevaerts | CrawfordComeaux: you get plenty of cookies in here! |
| 18:52.07 | LetterRip | CrawfordComeaux: that is very cool |
| 18:52.16 | LetterRip | generous sponsors :) |
| 18:52.20 | LetterRip | what org are you with? |
| 18:52.43 | CrawfordComeaux | And as the only single members w/this as his only source of income, I'm ok with sticking with the students we get...this year ;) |
| 18:52.54 | CrawfordComeaux | LetterRip: FiberCorps |
| 18:53.10 | PassingBy | goes to make proposal for FiberCorps at once |
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| 18:53.37 | Ophiuchi | dberkholz: the usual suspects have gotten together :-P if I may suggest an addition: "force the students to give reports to the community, don't let them just stew with their mentors" |
| 18:54.02 | CrawfordComeaux | We have 6 community stakeholder organizations & they view this as Google investing in our community in some fashion, hence the 50% matched funds |
| 18:54.04 | LetterRip | we have as a requirement weekly reports |
| 18:54.24 | CrawfordComeaux | PassingBy: come up with something cool to do with an MS Kinect & I'll send you one to develop with. |
| 18:54.25 | LetterRip | and irc participation |
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| 18:54.33 | LetterRip | and feedback threads |
| 18:54.44 | LetterRip | so community interaction is mandatory for our org |
| 18:54.47 | LetterRip | for students |
| 18:56.23 | CrawfordComeaux | PassingBy: assuming we accept your proposal, of course ;) |
| 18:57.10 | SRabbelier | CrawfordComeaux: something related to Fiber? |
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| 18:57.21 | SRabbelier | CrawfordComeaux: do you also give out free fiber-to-the-home connections? ;) |
| 18:57.38 | gevaerts | SRabbelier: probably just improved diets :) |
| 18:57.45 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: heheh |
| 18:57.51 | PassingBy | CrawfordComeaux:ah yes there is that minor detail to be sorted out |
| 18:57.53 | CrawfordComeaux | SRabbelier: ha...no, but we're working to have a fiber-based testbed for outsiders to deploy to in the coming months |
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| 18:58.56 | SRabbelier | CrawfordComeaux: how will this fiber-based testbed work? |
| 18:59.09 | dberkholz | Ophiuchi: we've got something along those lines coming up in the mentor post |
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| 18:59.34 | MatthewWilkes | Btw, OT, but, does anyone have StreetFighter 3d? |
| 18:59.45 | CrawfordComeaux | SRabbelier: right now we're working on the VPN details with our muni FTTH ISP |
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| 19:00.50 | CrawfordComeaux | We haven't fleshed out much of the dev environment, but we've got a local cloud provider that's running ECP that we'll probably be offering virtualized dev servers through... |
| 19:01.43 | CrawfordComeaux | SRabbelier: we're not entirely sure what people will want to do on it or what they'll need, though, so there's still a bit that's up in the air |
| 19:02.00 | SRabbelier | CrawfordComeaux: wait, wait, what's ECP? |
| 19:02.14 | gevaerts | Isn't that a parallel port thing? |
| 19:02.23 | gevaerts | may be wrong here |
| 19:02.47 | MatthewWilkes | hugs carols |
| 19:02.47 | CrawfordComeaux | www.enomaly.com |
| 19:04.18 | SRabbelier | joins in the hugging, wonders why |
| 19:04.36 | beng-nl_ | too |
| 19:05.51 | SRabbelier | CrawfordComeaux: intriguing (+1 to Google suggest for figuring out what I meant :P) |
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| 19:06.28 | CrawfordComeaux | SRabbelier: heh...figuring out what you meant regarding dev envs? ;) |
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| 19:07.02 | SRabbelier | CrawfordComeaux: I spelled that as intreguing, and it "did you mean?"-ed it for me |
| 19:07.17 | CrawfordComeaux | oh lol |
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| 19:10.19 | carols | thank you MatthewWilkes. i can use a hug |
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| 19:10.48 | carols | it's been a long couple of weeks |
| 19:11.10 | MatthewWilkes | carols: You get a bit of a break after the students submit their docs though, right? |
| 19:11.32 | carols | MatthewWilkes: well, that's high conference season, so that's just more traveling for me :-) |
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| 19:11.44 | dberkholz | carols: you're always in conference season. |
| 19:11.59 | carols | dberkholz: you make a very good point. |
| 19:12.06 | carols | im keynoting tomorrow in fact. |
| 19:12.11 | Ophiuchi | carols: heh. I do hope you like travelling then :) |
| 19:12.54 | carols | Ophiuchi: it has its moments. i love meeting and hanging out with our awesome community certainly |
| 19:12.59 | MatthewWilkes | carols: I've only spoke at conferences twice and one was a keynote. Scary :) |
| 19:13.16 | carols | MatthewWilkes: i bet it was great :-) |
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| 19:14.23 | Ophiuchi | carols: I hate travelling. I love being at the destinations :-P |
| 19:14.31 | carols | Ophiuchi: i hear you on that :-) |
| 19:14.41 | AlexP_ | I fully agree with that mail |
| 19:14.50 | MatthewWilkes | I can handle travelling, especially to the mentor summit |
| 19:14.57 | MatthewWilkes | You sit down in a group of geeks |
| 19:14.58 | MatthewWilkes | chat |
| 19:15.00 | MatthewWilkes | and get drunk |
| 19:16.53 | carols | MatthewWilkes: and eat chocolate :-) |
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| 19:17.23 | SRabbelier | carols: lots of that |
| 19:17.31 | MatthewWilkes | :) |
| 19:17.44 | MatthewWilkes | carols: Not so much on the plane though, waste there |
| 19:17.54 | carols | fair point. |
| 19:18.21 | LetterRip | carols: definitely eat chocolate - ... and sing Karaoke :) |
| 19:18.27 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: well, they do have booze on the plane :P |
| 19:18.31 | dberkholz | carols: perhaps you should start having biannual summits then. =D |
| 19:18.37 | LetterRip | dberkholz: heheh |
| 19:18.41 | LetterRip | brilliant! |
| 19:18.47 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: Not by the end of the LHR-SFO stretch |
| 19:18.52 | LetterRip | monthly summits |
| 19:18.57 | carols | LetterRip: the party last year was awesome. i was so happy to see everyone having a good time :-) |
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| 19:19.23 | LetterRip | yep, lots of great folks around and fun times |
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| 19:20.41 | dberkholz | carols: honestly it wouldn't be a bad idea to have a GCI one in the spring (and i speak as someone not involved in GCI so i have no bias) |
| 19:21.02 | MatthewWilkes | There was the awards ceremony last time that I was so sad to miss |
| 19:21.25 | carols | dberkholz: yeah, i agree. |
| 19:23.06 | MatthewWilkes | carols: Why wasn't there an awards ceremony this year, anyway? |
| 19:23.35 | carols | MatthewWilkes: there is an awards ceremony - it's in june. we're planning for it right now. another reason i'm crazy busy. |
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| 19:24.26 | MatthewWilkes | carols: Ah! :) Of course it is. I forgot that the reason I couldn't come last time was that I was graduating |
| 19:24.35 | carols | :-) |
| 19:24.43 | MatthewWilkes | It felt earlier, anyway |
| 19:25.11 | gevaerts | MatthewWilkes: you didn't *have* to graduate! |
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| 19:25.40 | mlankhorst | moo |
| 19:25.46 | MatthewWilkes | gevaerts: As the first member of my family to go to university and the 3rd to finish school I kinda did |
| 19:26.05 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: touché |
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| 19:31.20 | scorche` | efes: you pinged me earlier? |
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| 19:33.42 | Ophiuchi | can all the people mailing on the gsoc-mentors mailing list please slow down? how is someone who also has a day job supposed to keep up with that? :-7 |
| 19:34.11 | MatthewWilkes | Ophiuchi: Hire an assistant |
| 19:34.11 | dberkholz | read faster |
| 19:34.21 | dberkholz | they have courses in that sort of thing =) |
| 19:34.46 | Ophiuchi | MatthewWilkes: from my bag of riches? ,) |
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| 19:35.17 | kblin | evening folks |
| 19:35.31 | kblin | SRabbelier: stop trolling the mailing list, dammit ;) |
| 19:35.47 | MatthewWilkes | Ophiuchi: Yep. 80k should do it |
| 19:35.51 | carols | Ophiuchi: do what i did - stop readin |
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| 19:35.57 | SRabbelier | kblin: what did I do :( |
| 19:36.09 | SRabbelier | kblin: I'm innocent I tell you |
| 19:36.11 | ahel | !time |
| 19:36.12 | SRabbelier | kblin: it was gevaerts faking my From! |
| 19:36.20 | Ophiuchi | MatthewWilkes: that somewhat surpasses my own yearly income :-P |
| 19:36.30 | MatthewWilkes | Ophiuchi: Mine too. Shh. |
| 19:36.45 | MatthewWilkes | modulo currencies |
| 19:37.29 | gevaerts | will not take SRabbelier's bait by denying that :) |
| 19:37.53 | SRabbelier | grins |
| 19:37.54 | aghisla | Ophiuchi: i can send you a short summary of the mails. i work for cookies |
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| 19:38.45 | victor__ | hello! |
| 19:38.46 | kblin | !learn time as now! |
| 19:38.46 | socinfo | kblin: The operation succeeded. |
| 19:39.04 | victor__ | I am a CS university student and have a question |
| 19:39.20 | kblin | victor__: sure, that's what the channel is for :) |
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| 19:39.25 | SRabbelier | !time |
| 19:39.26 | victor__ | I would like to submit a project proposal |
| 19:39.26 | socinfo | SRabbelier: "time" is now! |
| 19:39.35 | SRabbelier | !forget time |
| 19:39.35 | socinfo | SRabbelier: The operation succeeded. |
| 19:39.42 | Ophiuchi | Italian Lira used to be good for that :) |
| 19:39.42 | sin8h | \me hi everyone |
| 19:39.46 | SRabbelier | !learn time as has come, the walrus said, to speak of other things. |
| 19:39.46 | socinfo | SRabbelier: The operation succeeded. |
| 19:39.49 | SRabbelier | !time |
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| 19:39.50 | socinfo | SRabbelier: "time" is has come, the walrus said, to speak of other things. |
| 19:39.50 | victor__ | my proposal is implementation of a universal printer driver for all LInux distributions |
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| 19:40.08 | SRabbelier | hmm, perhaps kblin's was funner |
| 19:40.21 | victor__ | do you think it is too challengine? |
| 19:40.23 | kblin | SRabbelier: fail. it has to work with "time is"... |
| 19:40.25 | victor__ | challenging |
| 19:40.36 | efes | scorche: aaah.. yes... I was here http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforMentors and I found out dead links. Who should I inform? |
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| 19:40.43 | downeym | victor__: Did you have an organization in mind? |
| 19:40.44 | kblin | victor__: what org would you propose that to? |
| 19:40.50 | SRabbelier | efes: it's a wiki, edit it? |
| 19:41.06 | efes | SRabbelier: If you could. |
| 19:41.13 | Uninstall | Hello, I have just one question: why my proposal looks white on black? |
| 19:41.15 | SRabbelier | efes: I mean, _you_ edit it |
| 19:41.17 | SRabbelier | efes: it's a wiki |
| 19:41.24 | efes | SRabbelier: Okkkey :) |
| 19:41.24 | kblin | Uninstall: url? |
| 19:41.31 | SRabbelier | Uninstall: you used <pre> tags? |
| 19:41.52 | Uninstall | kblin, http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2011/bettio/1 |
| 19:41.55 | kblin | carols: btw, ouch. :) |
| 19:42.07 | kblin | Uninstall: public url? |
| 19:42.12 | Uninstall | SRabbelier, I didn't use any tag, I've used the WYSIWYG editor |
| 19:42.14 | carols | kblin: wrt what? i've done a lot of ouch-causing things today :-) |
| 19:42.26 | gevaerts | gives carols a c |
| 19:42.28 | gevaerts | !couch |
| 19:42.29 | socinfo | gevaerts: "couch" is An open source couch on which to chill. |
| 19:42.34 | carols | hehe |
| 19:42.37 | carols | thanks gevaerts :-) |
| 19:42.40 | Uninstall | kblin, it has been marked as private |
| 19:42.42 | Uninstall | try again |
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| 19:43.05 | Ophiuchi | adds some lemon balm tea |
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| 19:43.19 | kblin | Uninstall: what SRabbelier said, there's a <pre> tag in there |
| 19:43.29 | kblin | <pre><strong>Name</strong>: |
| 19:43.51 | efes | SRabbelier: I don't see "edit" button :/ |
| 19:43.56 | Uninstall | kblin, thanks |
| 19:43.59 | Uninstall | fixed |
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| 19:44.08 | kblin | carols: the only one I see was the troll-lart on the mentor list |
| 19:44.21 | carols | kblin: ah, yes. |
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| 19:44.38 | SRabbelier | kblin: that wasn't an ouch, that was a win |
| 19:44.40 | carols | kblin: i was seething this weekend and had to wait to send the response today so i had calmed down a bit. |
| 19:44.50 | SRabbelier | kblin: like, so much made of win it sparked off my screen |
| 19:45.18 | kblin | SRabbelier: not ouch on my side for sure |
| 19:45.27 | kblin | carols: totally understand |
| 19:45.34 | SRabbelier | carols: let me know when I can annihilate his Melange account :P |
| 19:45.39 | SRabbelier | is really looking forward to that |
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| 19:45.56 | MatthewWilkes | carols: You weren't the only one, I did the one reply then I was out |
| 19:46.02 | carols | SRabbelier: hold your horses :-) let's see how they respond first |
| 19:46.08 | SRabbelier | pouts |
| 19:46.12 | SRabbelier | !patience |
| 19:46.14 | socinfo | SRabbelier: "patience" is Patience is very important in GSoC/GCI. Relax and go code something useful. |
| 19:46.17 | SRabbelier | socinfo: good point, thanks |
| 19:46.18 | carols | MatthewWilkes: yeah, he basically used all my patience for this month. and i have a lot of patience. |
| 19:46.27 | kblin | SRabbelier: right, like notifications? ;) |
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| 19:46.49 | Avya | i am interested in the topic...'enhancement of algorithm to detect pulse signals'.. |
| 19:46.52 | Avya | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:46.53 | Avya | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:46.53 | Avya | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:46.58 | Avya | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:46.58 | Avya | and knowing what to expect and what to read |
| 19:47.12 | SRabbelier | kblin: working on those as we speak :) |
| 19:47.31 | SRabbelier | Avya: wrong channel |
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| 19:47.59 | kblin | SRabbelier: less chatting, more hacking |
| 19:48.03 | kblin | cracks a whip |
| 19:48.18 | MatthewWilkes | Avya: Read the FAQ and talk to the org that has the topic |
| 19:48.18 | MatthewWilkes | !faq |
| 19:48.19 | socinfo | MatthewWilkes: "faq" is http://goo.gl/Up2Qf |
| 19:48.20 | kblin | hm, maybe instead of the stick I should try the carrot |
| 19:48.33 | kblin | hits SRabbelier with a carrot instead |
| 19:48.39 | MatthewWilkes | kblin: :D |
| 19:48.40 | carols | laughs |
| 19:48.44 | SRabbelier | kblin: lol |
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| 19:48.49 | carols | sorry SRabbelier, that was funny |
| 19:48.56 | carols | high fives kblin |
| 19:49.00 | SRabbelier | carols: indeed it was |
| 19:49.13 | SRabbelier | kblin: at first I read "hits SRabbelier with a carols instead" |
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| 19:49.22 | SRabbelier | that was somewhat confusing :P |
| 19:49.22 | carols | you guys all make it worthwhile :-) |
| 19:49.24 | MatthewWilkes | Also, I found the good stuff in the supermarket today, but seriously, 4 EUR for a bottle of groundnut oil? gr |
| 19:49.43 | MatthewWilkes | kblin and Nightrose always get me complaining about germany :) |
| 19:49.45 | SRabbelier | carols: we do try ^^ |
| 19:50.05 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: at least you didn't mention the war |
| 19:50.19 | Nightrose | MatthewWilkes: whut?! |
| 19:50.34 | MatthewWilkes | Nightrose: Not by anything you do, just your presence :) |
| 19:50.54 | Nightrose | -.- |
| 19:50.55 | carols | loves the community |
| 19:51.00 | Nightrose | MatthewWilkes: that's not nice! :D |
| 19:51.06 | MatthewWilkes | Nightrose: hehehe :) |
| 19:51.35 | Ophiuchi | MatthewWilkes: whyyyyy? :) |
| 19:52.00 | MatthewWilkes | I have a bacon deficiency, I was going to the english shop today but then I thought I had to fly off to norway |
| 19:52.04 | MatthewWilkes | so it was postponed |
| 19:52.19 | sfb | You had to fly to Norway to get bacon? |
| 19:52.20 | kblin | oh noes! |
| 19:52.24 | sfb | Where the heck do you live?! |
| 19:52.33 | Ophiuchi | MatthewWilkes: a bacon deficiency.You're not in Bavaria then. |
| 19:52.34 | MatthewWilkes | sfb: I sometimes have to fly to norway for work |
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| 19:52.51 | MatthewWilkes | Ophiuchi: "Speck isn't bacon." - I want a tshirt with that |
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| 19:52.59 | gevaerts | MatthewWilkes: and on other times you fly to Norway for bacon? |
| 19:53.00 | Nightrose | lol |
| 19:53.06 | sfb | haha |
| 19:53.08 | Ophiuchi | MatthewWilkes: but Wammerl is :-P |
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| 19:53.35 | MatthewWilkes | Ophiuchi: I've heard this, but the only pictures I can find look like Rückenspeck |
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| 19:55.18 | MatthewWilkes | Ophiuchi: Oh, actually, found a picture that looks like Frühstücksspeck. I want http://www.seabrite.com/jeffs_great_british_eats/bacon_rasher%5Bsm%5D.jpg |
| 19:55.41 | Ophiuchi | MatthewWilkes: this is getting a bit off-topic, but http://www.lebensmittellexikon.de/b0000550.php |
| 19:56.57 | SRabbelier | Ophiuchi: bacon is _never_ off topic |
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| 19:57.35 | MatthewWilkes | Ophiuchi: See, that's a belly cut, I want loin. |
| 19:57.41 | kblin | bacon is a bit like pirates.. because everything is better with pirates |
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| 19:59.09 | gevaerts | knows that Bacon wrote plays such as Hamlet, which is the diminutive form of Ham, which proves it |
| 19:59.36 | kblin | gevaerts: and "Farmer Giles from Ham" as well |
| 19:59.45 | gevaerts | kblin: yes, that too :) |
| 20:00.32 | kblin | oh, crap, speaking of plays, I need to learn my text |
| 20:00.37 | kblin | casting on saturday |
| 20:01.44 | gevaerts | casually mentions http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-dev-archive-2010-04/0006.shtml while we're talking about pigs |
| 20:02.07 | robbyoconnor | Darwin had it right...gsoc is living proof :) |
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| 20:03.27 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: I'm not sure I understand the troll ^^ |
| 20:03.45 | SRabbelier | http://soc.googlecode.com/hg/mockups/logo/PNG-transparent/melange-blue-1000px-t.png |
| 20:03.52 | SRabbelier | Admit it, our logo is awesome. |
| 20:03.53 | gevaerts | SRabbelier: that wasn't a troll as much as an april fools joke :) |
| 20:04.04 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: I still dont' get it ^^ |
| 20:04.19 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: probably since I don't know the supposed device it now runs on |
| 20:04.31 | gevaerts | will look it up |
| 20:04.40 | gevaerts | SRabbelier: http://www.dealextreme.com/p/mini-pig-2-leds-flashlight-white-3-lr1130-included-1138 |
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| 20:04.56 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: omgggg, want! |
| 20:04.59 | SRabbelier | little piggie! |
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| 20:05.41 | Ophiuchi | <zombie>brainsss</zombie> |
| 20:06.36 | gevaerts | SRabbelier: they used to be quite popular in the rockbox community |
| 20:06.46 | gevaerts | And they're *bright*! |
| 20:07.14 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: ehehe, I see ^^ |
| 20:07.23 | Triskelios | you can find animal-shaped novelties like those in "impulse buy" displays at cash registers of bookstores and office supply places throughout the US :P |
| 20:08.16 | gevaerts | SRabbelier: we had a lot of fun trying to get as many pig references as possible into one mail |
| 20:08.31 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: *grin*, +1 to that |
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| 20:34.42 | SRabbelier | all tests pass for all notifications! :O |
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| 20:34.53 | SRabbelier | (and that's not because we have no tests :D) |
| 20:34.59 | anth | yay! |
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| 21:08.13 | mlankhorst | is charlie sheen a real person? |
| 21:08.40 | SRabbelier | mlankhorst: he's a troll |
| 21:09.03 | Triskelios | are celebrities real people? do they exist outside of peoples' perceptions? |
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| 21:13.29 | mlankhorst | Triskelios: i didnt talk about celebs in general, talking about charlie sheen :p |
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| 21:28.45 | schumaml | are the student applications public? |
| 21:29.03 | schumaml | i.e. I just pasted the url of one in our irc channel and anyone seems to be able to access it |
| 21:29.31 | MatthewWilkes | schumaml: Only if the student chooses to open them |
| 21:29.37 | Ophiuchi | schumaml: only if the proposal is marked public or they are mentors for the org, usually |
| 21:29.55 | schumaml | nice |
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| 21:30.15 | schumaml | or not. did anyone tell the students about posting private data there? |
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| 21:36.03 | schumaml | can org admins revert that? |
| 21:37.48 | carols | schumaml: SRabbelier can answer that |
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| 21:38.22 | SRabbelier | schumaml: revert what? |
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| 21:39.25 | schumaml | force a student application to be private |
| 21:40.53 | SRabbelier | schumaml: no |
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| 21:42.12 | SRabbelier | schumaml: you can ask the student nicely? :P |
| 21:43.26 | schumaml | SRabbelier: I can't tell which of the applications are public, right? |
| 21:43.41 | SRabbelier | schumaml: open the page in incognito mode xD |
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| 21:45.14 | gevaerts | Why do you care? |
| 21:45.19 | gevaerts | is curious |
| 21:46.36 | schumaml | data protection |
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| 21:53.33 | gevaerts | No, "data protection" is the act of caring, not the reason :) |
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| 23:27.38 | jlcscp | hi |
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| 23:45.06 | ravenlock | carols: hi. :) |
| 23:45.22 | ravenlock | (I promise not to bother you ... more than once a week.) |
| 23:45.29 | ravenlock | any chance you have a moment? |
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| 23:48.19 | lochudo32 | hello |
| 23:48.31 | lochudo32 | alguien de Colombia? |
| 23:48.36 | lochudo32 | somebody from Colombia? |
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| 23:55.56 | CrawfordComeaux | how many slots |
| 23:56.18 | CrawfordComeaux | how many slots could a first-year org expect to get if they're also an umbrella org? |
| 23:56.41 | mmadia | >=2 |
| 23:56.44 | mmadia | !slots |
| 23:56.45 | socinfo | mmadia: "slots" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/site/site/studentallocations |
