| 00:00.49 | carols | ravenlock: hey |
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| 00:14.45 | ravenlock | carols: hi. :) |
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| 00:26.38 | carols | ravenlock: hi |
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| 00:28.22 | CrawfordComeaux | carols: how do orgs denote themselves as umbrella orgs? |
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| 00:29.35 | ojwb | by singing in the rain! |
| 00:29.52 | ojwb | CrawfordComeaux: I don't think orgs do, I think google decides which are |
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| 01:27.19 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: the application timestamp info isn't going to be terribly interesting this year if i can't get it by tomorrow or so. what are the chances of that? |
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| 01:29.26 | jonzo | hi jake |
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| 01:35.20 | php_programmer | Hi can anybody help me with some questions about google summer of code |
| 01:36.47 | dberkholz | ask and we may be able to answer |
| 01:36.54 | dberkholz | don't ask and it will remain forever a mystery |
| 01:37.01 | ojwb | see also the faq |
| 01:37.06 | ojwb | if you've not already |
| 01:37.19 | Rinum | wow, the competition for GSoC seems intimidating x.x |
| 01:37.35 | Rinum | especially for a newbie competing with others with more experience |
| 01:37.49 | php_programmer | ok I'm a relatively beggining python programmer and a decent php programmer and all of this that I have been reading about submitting ideas and such to companys seems quite intimidating |
| 01:38.01 | php_programmer | I would like to get involved but I'm not really sure where to start |
| 01:38.05 | ojwb | most of the orgs aren't companies |
| 01:38.10 | Rinum | php_programmer: I'm in the same boat |
| 01:38.16 | ojwb | which seems a common misconception |
| 01:38.33 | php_programmer | ahh yea just like open source projects and such right? |
| 01:38.45 | ojwb | mostly |
| 01:38.58 | ojwb | there are a few universities and companies |
| 01:39.05 | php_programmer | So can anybody help me and Rinum out? |
| 01:39.32 | php_programmer | most of the ideas I have been seeing for all of the projects seem quite technical |
| 01:39.42 | Rinum | php_programmer: agreed! |
| 01:40.36 | ojwb | some orgs are more technical than others |
| 01:40.49 | Rinum | I was actually thinking about not applying anymore because of that... plus I've got exams this week and it would be near impossible to fulfill the org's reqs |
| 01:40.52 | ojwb | but play to your strengths |
| 01:41.06 | Rinum | the reqs being coding something before hand |
| 01:41.29 | ojwb | a lot of orgs ask for a qualifying task these days |
| 01:41.56 | ojwb | to give us something concrete about the student and their existing skills, and (probably more important) approach to things |
| 01:42.21 | Rinum | which aren't too bad to complete, but when you have school and just found out about GSoC... it makes things difficult |
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| 01:42.31 | ojwb | depends on the org, but you may not have to do that before the submission deadline |
| 01:42.59 | ojwb | knows our plan is to do them next week |
| 01:43.29 | Rinum | right, but it's nerve wracking to know that completing the tasks won't ensure you a spot and the time spent could have been spent on studying or elsewhere |
| 01:43.36 | php_programmer | @Rinum: haha this is funny I'm in the dead exact same boat as you |
| 01:43.51 | ojwb | you'll likely learn something in the process though |
| 01:44.00 | Rinum | php_programmer: our skill sets are the same too :D |
| 01:44.16 | jasebo | you'll never know if you don't try |
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| 01:44.29 | ojwb | exactly |
| 01:44.30 | Rinum | I still say school is more important |
| 01:44.43 | ojwb | not doing a task when asked pretty much ensures you won't get a place |
| 01:44.47 | Rinum | I could perform the same task on my own time a month from now |
| 01:44.49 | php_programmer | school is important but i need something to do this summer haha |
| 01:45.06 | Rinum | but time is valuable |
| 01:45.19 | jasebo | coding is valuable |
| 01:45.31 | ojwb | yeah, there's only 25 hours in a day |
| 01:45.40 | Rinum | haha I wish |
| 01:46.22 | ojwb | sunday was 25 hours here... |
| 01:46.34 | jasebo | you should check out #limesurvey, we're PHP, and maybe you won't find it too intimidating :-) |
| 01:47.19 | Rinum | but the ones that aren't intimidating are the ones with more competition |
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| 01:47.24 | thebolt | Morning |
| 01:47.30 | ojwb | wonders if it would be useful to have a list of orgs with projects more accessible to less experienced coders |
| 01:47.36 | ojwb | or if that would just fail to work |
| 01:47.52 | dberkholz | ojwb: i think they call that gci =P |
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| 01:47.59 | php_programmer | thanks jasebo I'll check out limesurvey |
| 01:48.04 | Rinum | that and competing against others with similar experience would be awesome |
| 01:48.29 | php_programmer | i'm also looking at phpmyadmin |
| 01:48.32 | jasebo | I think you'll find that just participating in the process of applying will give you useful skills, even if you don't get selected |
| 01:48.40 | ojwb | dberkholz: well, maybe |
| 01:48.43 | Rinum | php_programmer: phpmyadmin has quite a few reqs |
| 01:48.57 | Rinum | php_programmer: I've already checked them out... and they have a LOT of applicants |
| 01:49.04 | ojwb | ojwb: I mean I look at the ideas lists for some orgs and think I'd struggle... |
| 01:49.10 | ojwb | um |
| 01:49.13 | ojwb | dberkholz: ^ |
| 01:49.49 | ojwb | i guess really looking for the areas you are interested and/or skilled in works pretty well |
| 01:50.07 | php_programmer | @Rinum: do you have a blog? |
| 01:50.22 | ojwb | !studentguide |
| 01:50.24 | socinfo | ojwb: "studentguide" is http://www.booki.cc/gsocstudentguide/ |
| 01:50.27 | Rinum | php_programmer: nope, nor a personal website... just w/e apps and sites I've built |
| 01:50.38 | ojwb | php_programmer, Rinum ^^ that's a good read too |
| 01:50.49 | dberkholz | ojwb: yeah, i've looked through a fair number of ideas lists, and some of the ones that rank by difficulty have every single idea either advanced or moderate to advanced |
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| 01:51.44 | dberkholz | seems like they went through and evaluated after the fact instead of purposely coming up with a spectrum |
| 01:52.01 | ojwb | well, you get the ideas people expect |
| 01:52.06 | ojwb | um |
| 01:52.06 | ojwb | suggest |
| 01:52.13 | ojwb | my brain isn't working well today |
| 01:52.20 | ojwb | at least the linguistic part |
| 01:53.16 | Rinum | I don't think I'll get in... competition seems too fierce (avg of 6 applicants per spot :/)... plus I've got exams to study for... I'll just find a job or internship over the summer instead |
| 01:54.47 | ojwb | !numapps |
| 01:54.49 | socinfo | ojwb: "numapps" is 417 mentoring orgs applied and 175 were accepted this year. In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and 151 were accepted; 5539 proposals were submitted by 3464 students, and 1026 were accepted |
| 01:55.01 | ojwb | Rinum: that's < 6 *applications* per place |
| 01:55.08 | jasebo | Rinum, did you just come here to complain about how hard everything is? It's a bit self-defeating. |
| 01:55.08 | ojwb | more like 3.5 *applicants* |
| 01:55.10 | Rinum | php_programmer: If you're applying, good luck! I think I'll go another route |
| 01:55.26 | ojwb | and once you ignore all the dross, it's better than that |
| 01:55.31 | php_programmer | @rinum:I might try but I'm not sure how it will go, thanks though |
| 01:55.42 | Rinum | jasebo: nah, just kicking myself for not knowing about GSoC like 2 years earlier |
| 01:55.45 | ojwb | we get a depressing number of 1 or 2 line applications |
| 01:56.06 | dberkholz | indeed. |
| 01:56.07 | jasebo | Yeah, I reckon at least 50% of our applications last year were immediately discarded |
| 01:56.23 | php_programmer | jasebo:for what reasons? |
| 01:56.28 | dberkholz | not that high for us, but maybe 8-10 of them were "spam" |
| 01:56.31 | Rinum | jasebo: yeah for what reasons? |
| 01:56.32 | ojwb | it *is* competitive, but if you engage with your org and put in a solid application, you have a pretty good chance |
| 01:56.34 | php_programmer | bad ideas, inexperience? |
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| 01:57.05 | jasebo | they didn't indicate sufficient evidence of having read our website and worked out who we actually were |
| 01:57.06 | ojwb | has been involved with technical interviews for recruiting new staff in the past |
| 01:57.20 | jasebo | we don't expect students to have intimate knowledge of our system |
| 01:57.26 | ojwb | in every case the number of applicants was more than the ratios here |
| 01:57.40 | jasebo | but we expect them to have at least tried to use it a few times |
| 01:57.41 | jasebo | :-) |
| 01:58.06 | php_programmer | haha thats why im interested in phpmyadmin |
| 01:58.07 | ojwb | I think we're about a fifth spam this year so far |
| 01:58.20 | php_programmer | it is familiar to me and I even had it open while I saw it on the list! |
| 01:58.24 | dberkholz | jasebo: do you still request a pretty detailed proposal? wondering how people do that without looking into the code at all |
| 01:58.31 | Rinum | jasebo: exactly, I haven't used majority of the technology listed on GSoC and I don't have enough time to do it all unfortunately... maybe if the deadline was next friday |
| 01:58.43 | Rinum | php_programmer: yup my thoughts exactly |
| 01:58.58 | Rinum | php_programmer: but their requirements are pretty harsh (have you seen it?) |
| 01:58.59 | jasebo | well, I'm talking about downloading and installing it and trying it out.. an evening's work! |
| 01:59.17 | ojwb | and about half the applications we wouldn't give a place to even if we had the slots and mentors (though if they get updated some might be suitable) |
| 01:59.23 | Rinum | jasebo: what's your organization? I'll take a look :P |
| 01:59.24 | jasebo | my point is that if you just want to apply to work on an app, then you have to make _some_ effort :-) |
| 01:59.30 | thebolt | ojwb: i was never involved with that, but i know when i worked for Agiea, recruiting for our QA department in Beijing got really crazy applicants/positions ratios (this was hm, five years ago.. and working for an american high tech comapny was good;) |
| 01:59.35 | jasebo | limesurvey! |
| 01:59.36 | Rinum | I've got experience with php, python, C, C++ |
| 01:59.48 | jasebo | we're php/javascript/database |
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| 02:00.07 | thebolt | order of thousand(s) of applications for ~15 openings |
| 02:00.12 | ojwb | thebolt: I mostly did tech interviews, but I have reviewed CVs and done the odd full first interview |
| 02:00.17 | php_programmer | jasebo: limesurvey right? |
| 02:00.21 | Rinum | jasebo: cool, btw what made you guys choose codeigniter? |
| 02:00.45 | jasebo | a group decision, we tried cakePHP and it was problematic and a bit too heavy handed for us |
| 02:00.47 | Rinum | jasebo: is there a limit to the # of applicants you can accept? |
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| 02:01.04 | Rinum | jasebo: darn, too bad you didn't have me :P I've got quite a bit of exp with cake |
| 02:01.07 | ojwb | there's always a limit... |
| 02:01.13 | jasebo | when we find out how many slots we've got, then we'll know. We've asked for 5 |
| 02:01.31 | Rinum | jasebo: how many have applied so far? |
| 02:02.19 | thebolt | ojwb: unless you are head-hunted.. (basically the only way i got a job so far in my life, never applied for any of them..) |
| 02:02.52 | jasebo | 10 so far this year, we'd expect it to be around 40 or 50 ultimately |
| 02:03.44 | dberkholz | i hate how the application period is so heavily backloaded toward the final deadline. |
| 02:03.47 | php_programmer | jasebo:downloading limesurvey now :-) |
| 02:03.53 | ojwb | hmm, I hope we don't get 4-5 times as many applications ultimately... |
| 02:04.28 | jasebo | we've usually gotten 60 to 70, but it seems a little slower this year |
| 02:04.37 | dberkholz | i guess i'd expect about 4 times what we have now, given what we got last year |
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| 02:04.51 | Rinum_ | whoops, got disconnected |
| 02:05.08 | Rinum_ | anyone know where I can find the IRC logs? |
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| 02:06.20 | ojwb | !logs |
| 02:06.21 | Rinum_ | jasebo|away: looks like my connection disconnected... anyway, thanks a bunch for your help! I'll definitely be looking into LimeSurvey :) |
| 02:06.21 | socinfo | ojwb: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
| 02:06.33 | Rinum_ | thanks |
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| 02:07.05 | dberkholz | jasebo|away: is 5 the max you can handle, or you just don't think you'll get more? |
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| 02:35.19 | marcosroriz | hi guys |
| 02:35.24 | marcosroriz | last year I participated on gsoc |
| 02:35.29 | marcosroriz | this year I'll try again |
| 02:35.50 | marcosroriz | I was wondering about the average week hours |
| 02:35.58 | marcosroriz | can I proposo to a org that I'll be able only to work 20 hours? |
| 02:36.22 | ojwb | you can propose what you like - most are looking for more like 40 though |
| 02:37.01 | marcosroriz | :( |
| 02:37.24 | marcosroriz | it's because I really don't have 40 hours this year |
| 02:37.47 | Rinum | marcosroriz: how was your experience and what org did you work for? |
| 02:38.16 | marcosroriz | was ok |
| 02:38.17 | marcosroriz | :] |
| 02:38.24 | marcosroriz | gnu =3 |
| 02:38.27 | ojwb | the expectation is that your gsoc project should be your main focus for the summer |
| 02:38.36 | ojwb | so essentially equivalent to a full time job |
| 02:38.50 | ojwb | is you have a main focus for the summer already, then ... |
| 02:38.59 | ojwb | *if you have... |
| 02:39.00 | marcosroriz | it's because I have university tasks (master course), research project |
| 02:39.10 | marcosroriz | it's because we don't have holidays this time of the year in brazil |
| 02:39.35 | Rinum | marcosroriz: oh snap really? that's cool! How was the app process? |
| 02:40.03 | marcosroriz | we all get nervous |
| 02:40.07 | marcosroriz | and usually we flood the channel |
| 02:40.22 | marcosroriz | but I got a really cool mentor, the only problem is that I was really unmotivated by the end of the project |
| 02:40.28 | scorche | and then people like me are here to tell them to settle down ;) |
| 02:41.01 | Rinum | lol |
| 02:41.15 | marcosroriz | I remember |
| 02:41.24 | jrabbit | http://www.google-melange.com/gci/program/show_ranking/google/gci2010 |
| 02:41.25 | marcosroriz | that last year we took the website down |
| 02:41.28 | jrabbit | links are broken to GCI |
| 02:41.37 | jrabbit | is the ranking up somewhere? |
| 02:41.49 | jrabbit | wants to link to his GCI task list in his introduction :P |
| 02:42.06 | marcosroriz | that is, we did a Natural DOS |
| 02:42.34 | ojwb | jrabbit: SRabbelier or #melange may know |
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| 02:50.40 | stumm | hi, I was wondering what the criteria are for joinging the GSOC mentor mailing list? |
| 02:50.54 | stumm | I've applied twice, and despite being a mentor have been rejected both times |
| 02:51.04 | ojwb | stumm: you'll get added automatically |
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| 02:51.13 | ojwb | if you're signed up in melange and accepted as a mentor by an org admin |
| 02:51.19 | stumm | I am |
| 02:51.29 | ojwb | it happens in rolling batches I think |
| 02:51.30 | stumm | but I haven't gotten an emails from the list |
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| 02:51.47 | stumm | and I was under the impression that there are several emails being sent to the group |
| 02:51.50 | ojwb | stumm: given recent traffic, that may be a bonus |
| 02:52.15 | ojwb | more than several |
| 02:52.38 | ojwb | stumm: how long have you been a mentor in melange/ |
| 02:52.39 | ojwb | ? |
| 02:52.56 | stumm | I think ever since the system was upgraded |
| 02:53.03 | ojwb | oh |
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| 02:53.24 | ojwb | I guess contact carols |
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| 02:53.51 | stumm | my account might be weird. i accidentally signed up w/ my google apps account even thought my link_id is associated w/ my normal google account |
| 02:54.10 | stumm | what's the best way to get in touch with carols? |
| 02:54.31 | ojwb | she's often on here in california working hours |
| 02:54.40 | ojwb | or email @google.com |
| 02:55.55 | stumm | thanks |
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| 03:38.08 | SeriousWorm | Hello. I'd like to apply, but it seems there are problems with the html of the registration page: http://i.imgur.com/wjbiR.png .. any ideas? |
| 03:38.52 | ojwb | SeriousWorm: did you try to fix the errors below? |
| 03:39.01 | SeriousWorm | what errors? |
| 03:39.05 | ojwb | or are there none? |
| 03:39.10 | ojwb | well, scroll down I guess |
| 03:39.16 | SeriousWorm | there isn't anything when I scroll down |
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| 03:39.19 | SeriousWorm | that's the bottom of the page.. |
| 03:39.46 | wtachi | SeriousWorm: try a different browser? |
| 03:39.50 | SeriousWorm | actually now that you mention it, I can scroll down about 1 page height :) but it's all blank, empty, background only. |
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| 03:40.01 | SeriousWorm | wtachi: nope, I'm using a standard compliant browser, latest version of Opera |
| 03:40.01 | ojwb | SeriousWorm: is this opera? |
| 03:40.06 | SeriousWorm | standards* |
| 03:40.10 | ojwb | doesn't work in opera apparently |
| 03:40.18 | ojwb | turning off stylesheets might help |
| 03:40.28 | SeriousWorm | great idea, I'll try it |
| 03:40.59 | ojwb | i think they'd like it to work, but there are higher priority issues which affect all users, not just those with opera |
| 03:41.14 | wtachi | just because it's standards-compliant doesn't mean web pages are |
| 03:41.21 | SeriousWorm | works without CSS, thanks! |
| 03:41.42 | SeriousWorm | btw, w3 validator gives 21 errors just on the html.. |
| 03:41.55 | ojwb | SeriousWorm: -> #melange |
| 03:42.01 | ojwb | there's nothing we can do about that... |
| 03:42.06 | SeriousWorm | okay, thanks. |
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| 03:49.57 | SeriousWorm | also, the form doesn't accept utf-8 characters like Å¡, Ä, etc. it's like we're in 1990 :) |
| 03:50.36 | DarthGandalf | What? Do you mean that it's not 1990 now? :O |
| 03:50.45 | SeriousWorm | hehe |
| 03:50.48 | DarthGandalf | :P |
| 03:52.56 | ojwb | SeriousWorm: again, reporting that to the melange devs is the best action |
| 03:53.02 | ojwb | telling us won't get it fixed |
| 03:53.16 | SeriousWorm | it's okay, I'm just ranting, sorry. |
| 03:53.51 | ojwb | your screenshot even showed a label saying it accepted utf-8, so it's clearly a bug not a lack of understanding |
| 03:54.24 | SeriousWorm | right |
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| 04:12.27 | eshan | Help : I have submit a proposal on gsoc site and i asked my mentor to review it. And mentor said it has not given access to my proposal |
| 04:13.01 | eshan | also mentor has not received the confirmation as for a mentor. |
| 04:13.29 | eshan | i am really disappointed with this. |
| 04:14.00 | eshan | will this confirmation mail receive after April 8 |
| 04:14.24 | eshan | or mentor has not approved the mentor ship for the program |
| 04:14.26 | eshan | ? |
| 04:14.50 | ojwb | eshan: the admin for the org needs to approve mentors |
| 04:15.38 | ojwb | email notification have only just been deployed, so probably the admin hasn't realised there are a stack of mentors to approve |
| 04:15.44 | ojwb | get the mentor to prod the org admin |
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| 04:21.56 | eshan | ojwb : thanks. Is there a dead line for it.? |
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| 04:22.15 | ojwb | not really for mentor sign up |
| 04:22.28 | ojwb | but if the mentors are to review the applications, they'll need to be signed up first... |
| 04:22.49 | ojwb | similarly for making comments on applications |
| 04:23.16 | ojwb | for now you could put a copy of the proposal somewhere and point potential mentors at it |
| 04:23.50 | ojwb | eshan: which org is it? |
| 04:24.09 | eshan | apache org |
| 04:25.00 | ojwb | well, they should know how things works by now... |
| 04:25.12 | ojwb | but might have been expecting notifications |
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| 04:29.03 | eshan_ | ojwb : apache org |
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| 04:29.30 | ojwb | guesses you missed my reply |
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| 04:29.32 | ojwb | well, they should know how things works by now... |
| 04:29.35 | ojwb | but might have been expecting notifications |
| 04:32.58 | eshan | ojwb : thanks. you think mentor should ask about mentor ship again from the org admin .? |
| 04:33.38 | ojwb | probably, assuming they made the request at least a few days ago |
| 04:34.02 | ojwb | if it's been a few hours, it's probably too soon to chase... |
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| 04:41.23 | eshan | ojwb : thanks. And this is my last question. Will there is a relationship between Melange (apply for a mentor section) and the organization acceptance as a mentor ..? |
| 04:42.09 | ojwb | eshan: not totally sure of the current procedure, as I'm org admin, and signed up myself and all the mentors before the big UI changes |
| 04:42.24 | ojwb | I think someone registers as a "mentor" or "student" |
| 04:42.36 | ojwb | once they're a mentor, they can request to mentor for a particular org |
| 04:42.50 | ojwb | and that request goes into a queue for the admin to approve (or deny) |
| 04:43.43 | ojwb | once approved, the mentor can then review proposals for that org |
| 04:43.49 | ojwb | and comment on them |
| 04:43.57 | ojwb | and score them (unless the admin disabled that) |
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| 04:54.02 | exe__ | gsoc requires publicly sharing real name? |
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| 04:59.11 | ojwb | exe__: in what role? |
| 04:59.41 | ojwb | students without a real name make me wonder what they might be hiding... |
| 05:01.17 | ojwb | carols explicitly said it was ok for mentors, provided the org are OK with it |
| 05:01.24 | thebolt | i am pretty sure it is needed, yes.. how to determin eligability of someone without a real name? also how do you think shipping (and payment) can be done to someone without a name? |
| 05:01.31 | ojwb | but students have a more formal relationship |
| 05:01.55 | thebolt | I am sure IRS/auditors would have something to object against paying unnamed people.. but thats just my 5c |
| 05:02.13 | ojwb | exe__: if there are exceptional circumstances, talk to carols I guess |
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| 06:26.11 | kai | morning folks |
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| 06:36.06 | ojwb | hello kai |
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| 06:54.36 | kai | sighs |
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| 06:58.37 | ojwb | kai: agreed |
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| 07:02.33 | ajedwards | long day/night? |
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| 07:14.50 | kai | ajedwards: no, just mentors on the mailing list that fail to follow basic rules of participating in large mailing lists that I'd force my students to learn |
| 07:15.21 | kai | this year, I want my free pony to be jade-colored, by the way. |
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| 07:16.27 | ojwb | Kai Blin and the case of the jade pony |
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| 07:17.49 | |Kev| | GSoC shouldn't really be spent educating mentors about participation in OSS communities. |
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| 07:18.48 | kai | that's why I at least want a pony |
| 07:19.41 | |Kev| | *nod* |
| 07:21.56 | kaushik54 | Goys any advice for applying to GSoC |
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| 07:22.53 | ojwb | !studentguide |
| 07:22.54 | socinfo | ojwb: "studentguide" is http://www.booki.cc/gsocstudentguide/ |
| 07:22.58 | ojwb | kaushik54: ^^ |
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| 07:23.55 | kaushik54 | ya ive seen it |
| 07:24.18 | CrawfordComeaux | kaushik54: actively engage the orgs you're applying to, try to identify what they're looking for in a proposal ASAP to save them/you time amending them |
| 07:24.44 | kaushik54 | i dont have any prior exp in open source |
| 07:25.21 | kaushik54 | thanks , i did work for 2yrs on joomla - know a lot abt it |
| 07:25.38 | kaushik54 | dont know others |
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| 07:40.17 | ojwb | kaushik54: prior experience isn;t a requirement |
| 07:40.48 | |Kev| | Plus there's still (just) time to get a little experience with a project before the deadline. |
| 07:42.05 | kaushik54 | ya , but some need us to do patches or plugins etc.. |
| 07:42.48 | |Kev| | There's still time to do any of the teaser tasks I set, I imagine the same is true of other orgs. |
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| 07:44.10 | kaushik54 | may i know who u are- a mentor?? |
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| 07:46.42 | |Kev| | Mentor/Org Admin, yes. |
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| 07:49.50 | kai | |Kev|: pm? |
| 07:50.10 | |Kev| | Sure. |
| 07:51.08 | kaushik54 | Kev: Oh thats great |
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| 08:06.56 | MatthewWilkes | kblin: "Sorry I'm so lax doing your homework." |
| 08:07.00 | MatthewWilkes | hugs kblin |
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| 08:08.43 | kaushik54 | How to submit two or more proposals to the same organization |
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| 08:09.13 | kai | MatthewWilkes: my pleasure |
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| 08:09.33 | kai | MatthewWilkes: though people have told me privately it came across a bit on the rude side |
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| 08:10.45 | MatthewWilkes | kai: Looked fair to me |
| 08:10.48 | MatthewWilkes | kaushik54: After you submit the first proposal go back to the same place and do a second, AFAIK |
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| 08:13.21 | kaushik54 | does the proposals to same Organization count as 1 or many for the max total limit of 20. |
| 08:13.26 | kaushik54 | i guess each proposal counts differently , just to confirm |
| 08:13.37 | |Kev| | It does, but you shouldn't need to worry about the 20 app limit. |
| 08:13.49 | |Kev| | If you're making 20 applications, you're putting far too little effort into each one. |
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| 08:15.38 | MatthewWilkes | kaushik54: This has been answered on the mailing list. |
| 08:16.31 | kaushik54 | sorry i didnt join that one |
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| 08:18.42 | MatthewWilkes | kaushik54: You don't have to be subscribed to search the archives |
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| 08:19.31 | kaushik54 | Thank You il look into it |
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| 08:21.17 | grvina | hi |
| 08:21.43 | grvina | help |
| 08:22.26 | kai | sorry, I don't perform my famous mind reading trick on tuesdays |
| 08:22.34 | kai | help with ... |
| 08:22.35 | kai | dammit |
| 08:23.06 | aghisla | i was about to throw a rope to save him |
| 08:23.19 | aghisla | (him? her?) |
| 08:23.19 | in3xes | too ;) |
| 08:23.45 | kai | shrugs |
| 08:23.57 | kai | IRC is not IM |
| 08:24.12 | kai | and even on IM I don't always reply in the same minute |
| 08:24.43 | aghisla | not even IRL, sometimes |
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| 08:25.12 | kai | but IRL, people usually see when I'm busy |
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| 08:33.21 | nss | !timeline |
| 08:33.22 | socinfo | nss: "timeline" is http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
| 08:34.01 | nss | whois ukai |
| 08:35.07 | kai | not me |
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| 08:38.06 | nss | !mentor |
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| 08:38.27 | kai | !anyone |
| 08:38.28 | socinfo | kai: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. Try searching for the org's contact info or even just try a /join #<mentoring org here> |
| 08:38.32 | ojwb | micro-kai! |
| 08:38.45 | kai | ojwb: I call him mini-me |
| 08:38.56 | ojwb | grins |
| 08:39.27 | iamaregee | hey is it like students proposing there own ideas ....stand greater chances of selection ??? |
| 08:39.39 | kai | depends? |
| 08:39.44 | |Kev| | No. |
| 08:39.56 | |Kev| | It's like 'Students with good applications stand a greater chance of selection". |
| 08:40.10 | |Kev| | Speak to the orgs in question to work out what their definition of 'good' is. |
| 08:40.17 | ojwb | while some of the best projects are suggested by students, but that doesn't necessarily mean that all projects suggested by students are the best |
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| 08:40.32 | ojwb | some of the worst proposals are students own ideas... |
| 08:40.36 | kai | hehe |
| 08:40.42 | kai | what |Kev| and ojwb said |
| 08:40.48 | thebolt_ | hi kai, ojwb, |Kev| |
| 08:40.54 | |Kev| | Moin. |
| 08:40.54 | ojwb | having an idea, and then finding an org rarely works |
| 08:40.59 | kai | hey thebolt |
| 08:41.23 | kai | ojwb: pygi keeps trying that, with some success iirc |
| 08:41.23 | thebolt | preparing for another night at the airport.. will be my hm.. sixth at taoyuan international ;) |
| 08:41.36 | ojwb | if as you read about an org you think "oh, it would be awesome if this software could do X", that might be worth suggesting |
| 08:41.40 | kai | thebolt: sounds fun...not? |
| 08:41.45 | thebolt | guess it works if you are smart enough |
| 08:41.52 | thebolt | kai: big cosy leather sofas and free wifi :) |
| 08:41.57 | iamaregee | if the application is cited the proposal is good and interesting and fun to work on ...... |
| 08:42.02 | kai | not too bad, then |
| 08:42.02 | thebolt | probably one of my favourite airports for sleeping |
| 08:42.21 | kai | iamaregee: ok, so here's the trick |
| 08:42.30 | kai | iamaregee: contact the mentoring org first and check with them |
| 08:42.38 | Uli- | can I as an org admin remove scores given by a mentor? or see who scored the proposal? |
| 08:43.06 | kaushik54 | can we propose our own ideas not related to anu Org under google |
| 08:43.16 | kai | iamaregee: in 2007 I proposed a pretty good idea to samba, but I went way over the top with deliverables I thought I could get done in three months |
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| 08:43.41 | iamaregee | hmm.. |
| 08:43.44 | kai | kaushik54: and google tends to mentor one or two students that bring their own mentors every year |
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| 08:44.50 | kaushik54 | if i dont have good mentors around me , will they provide |
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| 08:45.00 | kai | iamaregee: so I'd never have gottent that proposal accepted (or the project finished) without talking to the org first |
| 08:45.05 | kai | kaushik54: nope |
| 08:45.18 | ojwb | kai: well, i didn't say it never worked, but i've seen quite a few students trying it, and not seen one I'd accept yet |
| 08:45.18 | ojwb | might be the orgs I've been involved with though |
| 08:45.18 | |Kev| | We've finally had an excellent application, I'm now moderately happy :) |
| 08:45.19 | |Kev| | Another handful of them and we're all good. |
| 08:45.34 | iamaregee | well i proposed some idea to an org, the mentor said that idea is fun and intriguing to work upon and after seeing my proposal ,he agreed that this can be done in gsoc timeframe... |
| 08:45.37 | kaushik54 | kai: ya that would be over expectation |
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| 08:46.15 | kai | kaushik54: gsoc really is about working for an established open source project |
| 08:46.28 | |Kev| | No. I believe seeing who scored what is planned. |
| 08:47.10 | |Kev| | At least, I've seen it requested and it seems to be critically important. |
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| 08:47.49 | ojwb | for an org with more than a handful of mentors at least |
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| 08:48.05 | ojwb | assuming they don't just do scoring externally |
| 08:50.30 | ojwb | kaushik54: no |
| 08:50.47 | ojwb | kaushik54: the "google org" is a much harder route, not an easier one |
| 08:51.04 | kaushik54 | ojwb: hmm |
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| 08:56.50 | kugel | SRabbelier1: thanks! |
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| 09:39.24 | geoaxis | why is this channel so quiet |
| 09:39.31 | brik | because noone is talking |
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| 09:39.51 | geoaxis | brik: that is the definition of being quiet |
| 09:39.58 | brik | :) |
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| 09:40.17 | gevaerts | People use silent keyboards these days |
| 09:40.39 | geoaxis | gevaerts: also invsible charsets then |
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| 09:41.13 | |Kev| | Better a low S+N than a low S:N. |
| 09:41.27 | gevaerts | gâ£eâ£oâ£aâ£xâ£iâ£sâ£: nâ£oâ£bâ£oâ£dâ£y⣠â£wâ£oâ£uâ£lâ£d⣠â£eâ£vâ£eâ£r⣠â£uâ£sâ£e⣠â£iâ£nâ£vâ£iâ£sâ£iâ£bâ£lâ£e⣠â£câ£hâ£aâ£râ£aâ£câ£tâ£eâ£râ£sâ£! |
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| 09:46.57 | gevaerts | aghisla: /âº/ >⺠/âº| .âº/ .âº. \âº| 7⺠>⺠-âº\ ? |
| 09:47.19 | aghisla | that recalls me google mail motion |
| 09:48.06 | aghisla | gevaerts: /âº| .âº.>⺠! |
| 09:48.42 | SRabbelier1 | kugel: hi |
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| 09:49.55 | gevaerts | aghisla: I shouldn't have started this. I have a script to generate those, but reading them is *hard* :) |
| 09:50.28 | aghisla | :D ok, and we are in fact creating noise |
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| 09:53.38 | geoaxis | any student for #opennms |
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| 09:57.24 | SRabbelier1 | !anyone |
| 09:57.25 | socinfo | SRabbelier1: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. Try searching for the org's contact info or even just try a /join #<mentoring org here> |
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| 10:18.13 | antimatroid | is the site up? |
| 10:18.44 | gevaerts | If you mean melange, then yes |
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| 10:19.26 | antimatroid | there we go, back to my actual problem |
| 10:19.36 | antimatroid | I submitted an application earlier and it seems to have disappeared :\ |
| 10:20.03 | antimatroid | I have a copy of it in google documents, so that's not an issue, but I'm still a bit curious as to what happened |
| 10:20.39 | antimatroid | (i was alerted to the fact by an email from one of the mentors mentioning they can't find it) |
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| 10:24.53 | antimatroid | ... anyone know who I should talk to / contact about that? |
| 10:25.03 | antimatroid | I don't really want to just upload it again |
| 10:25.11 | antimatroid | I'm positive I submitted it to the correct organisation |
| 10:25.30 | |Kev| | -> #melange |
| 10:25.38 | antimatroid | :) |
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| 10:41.45 | betaversion | any ideas as to what should be the number of words for the abstract in proposal?? |
| 10:42.23 | ojwb | enough to convey the essence of the proposal |
| 10:42.45 | betaversion | number of words aproxly please |
| 10:42.45 | ojwb | don't get hung up on word counts, this isn't a uni assignment |
| 10:43.10 | betaversion | what should be the bare minimum? |
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| 10:43.18 | betaversion | and average |
| 10:43.28 | ojwb | has not idea |
| 10:43.46 | ojwb | I read the content, rather than counting it |
| 10:43.57 | betaversion | let someone else answer |
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| 10:44.20 | ojwb | isn't stopping anyone |
| 10:45.07 | kai | betaversion: I'd say 5-5000 |
| 10:45.08 | hypatia | betaversion: try looking for examples of accepted proposals from previous years, rather than trying to find a number |
| 10:45.14 | hypatia | lol kai |
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| 10:45.28 | hypatia | that seems like a reasonable estimate :) |
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| 10:45.54 | betaversion | thanks hypatia |
| 10:45.55 | kai | betaversion: but in all honesty, what ojwb said is correct. Word counts don't matter |
| 10:46.03 | ojwb | ooh, I can do 4: "Make <X> more awesome" |
| 10:46.24 | kai | ojwb: too short. I'd reject that |
| 10:46.30 | ojwb | aww |
| 10:46.45 | kai | ojwb: "Make <X> totally more awesome" and we're talking |
| 10:46.46 | ojwb | inserts an "even" |
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| 10:46.55 | kai | that works as well |
| 10:47.00 | furlong | When will the mentoring organizations be notified how many slots they have recieved? (And is there a detailed "how-to" for mentoring organizations?) |
| 10:47.14 | furlong | I only found the raw time-line |
| 10:47.15 | kai | !mentorsguide |
| 10:47.20 | kai | ah, durn |
| 10:47.27 | ojwb | !mentormanual |
| 10:47.31 | ojwb | hmm |
| 10:47.54 | antimatroid | betaversion: you can see my proposal if you want? |
| 10:48.02 | ojwb | furlong: next week carols will probably ask us to set the max number of slots we'd like |
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| 10:48.11 | kai | !learn mentorsguide as http://www.booki.cc/gsoc-mentoring/_v/1.0/about-this-manual/ |
| 10:48.11 | socinfo | kai: The operation succeeded. |
| 10:48.20 | ojwb | and then there will be a few interations on that |
| 10:48.31 | ojwb | iterations even |
| 10:48.37 | kai | furlong: not before the student application deadline in any case |
| 10:48.47 | ojwb | you'll finally know after the duplicate resolution meeting |
| 10:48.48 | betaversion | antimatroid: please send me the link |
| 10:48.56 | antimatroid | meh, you can all scrutinise it for me if you want.. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xzPdY24f0AgBjp76zvqwYG89XZuCS2C6J4IyEDNDC1E/edit?hl=en&pli=1# |
| 10:49.30 | ojwb | ooh, an edit link! |
| 10:49.49 | antimatroid | edit link? |
| 10:49.53 | antimatroid | it should be view only : |
| 10:50.04 | ojwb | .../edit?hl=en&pli=1 |
| 10:50.25 | ojwb | probably won't actually allow it |
| 10:50.39 | antimatroid | ahh, okay :) |
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| 10:51.58 | furlong | So there is no specific date when we will recieve the # of slots? |
| 10:52.34 | ojwb | furlong: i don't think it's exactly set yet |
| 10:52.58 | ojwb | are you a new org this year? |
| 10:53.14 | furlong | Yeah :) |
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| 10:54.11 | kai | furlong: how many applications do you guys have this far? |
| 10:54.23 | ojwb | probably between 2 and 5 (mentors manual suggests new orgs aren't likely to get more than 5) |
| 10:54.40 | kai | kintec: what ojwb said |
| 10:54.45 | ojwb | it's a good idea not to overstretch yourself the first time either |
| 10:55.12 | ojwb | there's a lot to learn, and if you do well at a modest scale, you're likely to be back in the future |
| 10:55.18 | ojwb | and epic calamity, not so much |
| 10:55.53 | ojwb | (and I know that probably doesn't sound so good) |
| 10:55.57 | kai | kintec: I agree with ojwb. It's better to focus on your 2-3 best applications than to try to get 6+ slots filled |
| 10:56.16 | antimatroid | furlong: have you seen this: http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/ |
| 10:56.29 | kai | kintec: the important thing to think about is why are you doing gsoc? |
| 10:56.34 | antimatroid | is new too, sorry if you have |
| 10:56.38 | ojwb | recalls that advice in his first year, and thinking it was probably informed by self-interest... |
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| 10:56.57 | kai | kintec: most orgs do this to get long-term contributors |
| 10:57.39 | kai | and you're more likely to get that if few students have a good experience with your org as opposed to many students having a less good experience |
| 10:57.49 | kai | of course there's no guarantees |
| 10:58.28 | kai | I think Samba has had two people doing gsoc who are still around, plus one guy who kept hacking on the kernel |
| 10:58.42 | kai | for the last five years of doing gsoc, that's not stellar |
| 10:59.01 | kai | but it's two people more than we'd have without gsoc, I guess :) |
| 10:59.06 | ojwb | wonders how many got involved quietly again |
| 10:59.12 | ojwb | with another org |
| 10:59.18 | ojwb | those are harder to know about |
| 10:59.22 | ojwb | less of a win for samba though |
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| 10:59.24 | kai | true, I didn't try to track that |
| 10:59.35 | ajed|wtp | does Dan Shearer still contribute to Samba? |
| 10:59.42 | kintec | kai: 60 |
| 11:00.08 | kintec | applications so far. |
| 11:00.28 | beng-nl | it's easy to underestimate the work it takes to do a good gsoc 1st time, agree with kai + ojwb - getting just a few great projects is very rewarding and hard enough |
| 11:00.30 | ojwb | that's pretty impressive |
| 11:00.31 | kai | ajed|wtp: he's been doing OpenChange the last time I saw him, but OpenChange is built on top of Samba, so I guess that's kind of involved |
| 11:00.31 | ajed|wtp | Is there any way to check how many applications have been made to the org I'm applying for? |
| 11:00.49 | ajed|wtp | OpenChange faced some legal issues last time I heard... did that get resolved? |
| 11:00.50 | ojwb | ajed|wtp: you could ask them |
| 11:00.54 | ojwb | they may not tell you |
| 11:01.09 | kai | ajed|wtp: no idea, I'm not part of the openchange team |
| 11:01.11 | ajed|wtp | ojwb, seems a little stalkerish and pushing chances to ask them |
| 11:01.25 | kintec | So even though we have 60 applications so far we're not likely to get more than 5 because we are new? |
| 11:01.27 | antimatroid | seems reasonable to me |
| 11:01.39 | |Kev| | I'm not sure why you'd want to know. |
| 11:01.43 | ojwb | kintec: I'm just relaying what the mentoring manual says |
| 11:02.05 | ajed|wtp | sheer curiosity, doesn't appear to be many people on their list talking about gsoc and their irc chan is dead |
| 11:02.08 | kintec | Ah ok. |
| 11:02.10 | ojwb | given carols was involved in writing that section... |
| 11:02.19 | kintec | Who is carols? :x |
| 11:02.26 | beng-nl | kintec: Ms. GSOC |
| 11:02.26 | ojwb | she runs gsoc |
| 11:02.41 | ojwb | I think she's the only full time google employee on it |
| 11:02.44 | |Kev| | If you don't know who Carol is, you should do some more GSoC research. |
| 11:02.48 | novice007 | im new to GSoc and have not submitted any proposal yet is it too late for me? |
| 11:02.50 | beng-nl | kintec: 5 would be a lot imho |
| 11:02.58 | ojwb | the only google employee on it full time, to be clearer |
| 11:03.04 | kai | ajed|wtp: technically they're offering projects under the samba umbrella |
| 11:03.07 | antimatroid | novice007: you've got a few days |
| 11:03.10 | |Kev| | Just an observation that there's a lot to learn about GSoC, and you should try to assimilate as much information in advance as possible if you want to not suck. |
| 11:03.20 | raincole | deadline is 4/8 |
| 11:03.33 | antimatroid | I got an email at the start of last week though and it's been an effort getting an application ready on time while talking to the organisation |
| 11:03.41 | ajed|wtp | raincole, plenty of time then... depending on where you live ;0 |
| 11:03.43 | ajed|wtp | ;)* |
| 11:03.49 | kai | 2011-04-08, to be less ambiguous |
| 11:04.03 | antimatroid | really wishes people would use the sane dd/mm format |
| 11:04.05 | antimatroid | :p |
| 11:04.15 | novice007 | i have shortlisted few organisations and projects could anyone please let me know how the steps drafting a good proposal |
| 11:04.29 | kai | antimatroid: that's why I use the ISO format |
| 11:04.39 | ojwb | ajed|wtp: is the org in question debian? |
| 11:04.46 | raincole | I have submitted my proposal. no matter where I live :) |
| 11:04.56 | ajed|wtp | it is jpf |
| 11:05.03 | antimatroid | novice007: look at what they want, email them about your interest and read the sample applications/guide/faw/do's and dont's |
| 11:05.12 | antimatroid | probably not in that order |
| 11:05.23 | kai | :) |
| 11:05.25 | ajed|wtp | but I did submit to debian, just feel my application isn't likely against the competition (currently contributing devs) |
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| 11:05.58 | ojwb | ajed|wtp: ah, ok, i noticed your nick in the debian channel |
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| 11:06.16 | novice007 | i have sent quite a few mails but all in vain no replies on most of them . i sent the mails in mailing list |
| 11:06.18 | ajed|wtp | and with uni assignments due in this, the 2 weeks applications are open for, I haven't been able to submit patches like they wanted me to =/ |
| 11:06.37 | novice007 | like i sent for catroid and am still waiting for reply |
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| 11:06.50 | ojwb | proposals to debian are (supposed to be) posted publically on the wiki too, so it's easy to determine for yourself there |
| 11:06.55 | antimatroid | hmm, someone else I talked to said they never got a reply for an email sent |
| 11:06.59 | ajed|wtp | yeah, I did that |
| 11:07.42 | ajed|wtp | got a message saying post some bug patches - had a look through but haven't had the time with 5 assignments and 2 exams before the application period closes |
| 11:07.56 | ojwb | ajed|wtp: I'm not sure what the conclusion was from discussion this year, but the bar may be higher for current DDs |
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| 11:08.16 | raincole | Uh, but you aren't in #catroid.. |
| 11:08.21 | novice007 | where can i get sample proposals |
| 11:08.34 | raincole | I find for you , wait a second |
| 11:08.38 | ojwb | !studentguide |
| 11:08.39 | socinfo | ojwb: "studentguide" is http://www.booki.cc/gsocstudentguide/ |
| 11:08.43 | raincole | here http://www.booki.cc/gsocstudentguide/ |
| 11:08.45 | ojwb | novice007: ^ see appendices |
| 11:08.50 | ojwb | raincole: too slow! |
| 11:08.50 | ajed|wtp | well, maybe they'll throw me a bone, I'd like the package long term, I doubt it though, unfortunately. |
| 11:08.59 | raincole | I lose :) |
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| 11:09.07 | raincole | I forgot this robot |
| 11:09.12 | novice007 | thanks guys |
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| 11:10.10 | nano- | Isn't melange supposed to notify students when comments are added? |
| 11:10.18 | ajed|wtp | it didn't notify me |
| 11:10.40 | |Kev| | Notifications don't seem to be enabled yet. |
| 11:10.49 | nano- | I was getting annoyed at no students responding until I became aware that they hadn't been notified. |
| 11:11.15 | nano- | So bad students actually turned out to be bad melange :/ |
| 11:11.27 | |Kev| | Oh, although the notification settings are in place, it seems. |
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| 11:11.50 | |Kev| | nano-: I would expect students to be checking their applications for comments anyway. |
| 11:12.04 | ajed|wtp | damn, timeout on the wireless here, brb |
| 11:12.12 | nano- | So I guess it's a combination of bad students and bad melange then ;) |
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| 11:13.02 | antimatroid | had trouble working out the two badly named username sections of the sign up page |
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| 11:14.08 | ojwb | |Kev|: SRabbelier said notifications were enabled some hours back |
| 11:14.36 | |Kev| | ojwb: He would seem to be mistaken :) |
| 11:14.49 | |Kev| | ojwb: I didn't know this, thanks. |
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| 11:15.33 | ojwb | |Kev|: ? |
| 11:15.45 | |Kev| | ?? |
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| 11:16.00 | ojwb | confused, are they not working? |
| 11:16.07 | |Kev| | Were you querying the thank-you, or the comment that they're not working? |
| 11:16.16 | |Kev| | Right, they don't seem to be working for me. |
| 11:16.20 | ojwb | ah, ok |
| 11:16.22 | |Kev| | At least, not unless they were activated quite recently. |
| 11:16.30 | ojwb | btu thankme for telling you that they should be |
| 11:16.40 | |Kev| | I had a mentor request not very long ago that I wasn't notified about. |
| 11:16.45 | |Kev| | Correct. |
| 11:16.48 | ojwb | i think it was probably ~9 hours ago he said it |
| 11:16.53 | ajedwards|wtp | hmm i haven't had any comments on one of my proposals... |
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| 11:17.10 | ajedwards|wtp | is that unusual? |
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| 11:20.39 | gevaerts | ajed|wtp: that depends on the organisation. Some of them try to send at least some sort of thank you comment as soon as possible, while others wait until the end of the application period before saying anything at all |
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| 11:21.16 | ajed|wtp | know anything about jpf's protocol gevaerts? |
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| 11:21.26 | gevaerts | no idea |
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| 11:22.26 | ojwb | ajed|wtp: if it's been a few days, I'd politely ask if there's anything you could do to improve it |
| 11:22.42 | ajed|wtp | fair enough - it's been almost a week |
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| 11:33.24 | MatthewWilkes | |Kev|: Are you aware that sherbert fountains now are in a plastic package? |
| 11:33.29 | Xeli | !next |
| 11:33.31 | socinfo | Xeli: "next" is April 8: 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. The overall timeline is at http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
| 11:33.44 | ajed|wtp | MatthewWilkes, they ruined them! |
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| 11:34.11 | MatthewWilkes | ajed|wtp: Outrage, good, that's the way. |
| 11:35.04 | ajed|wtp | I was outraged when they stopped wrapping fish and chips in newspaper... nothing like toner to complement the salt |
| 11:35.42 | MatthewWilkes | ajed|wtp: Well, they still do, just unprinted paper |
| 11:36.19 | ajed|wtp | half the fun was checking the scores from last night while you ate your dinner :( |
| 11:36.56 | ojwb | it was an efficient reuse too |
| 11:37.12 | MatthewWilkes | indeed |
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| 11:37.48 | MatthewWilkes | ajed|wtp, ojwb: Either of you from the black country |
| 11:37.51 | MatthewWilkes | I miss orange chips |
| 11:37.54 | ajed|wtp | just like shopping bags used to last until you got out of the shop before they disintegrated! |
| 11:37.58 | ojwb | not me |
| 11:38.02 | ajed|wtp | Lichfield these days... |
| 11:38.09 | |Kev| | MatthewWilkes: Ehm. What? |
| 11:38.12 | ajed|wtp | used to live in Stoke |
| 11:38.18 | ojwb | my dad grew up somewhere near birmingham, but I don't know exactly where |
| 11:38.40 | |Kev| | Why would sherbet fountains be wrapped in plastic? |
| 11:38.47 | ojwb | "progress" |
| 11:38.51 | MatthewWilkes | |Kev|: Plastic tube |
| 11:39.12 | ajed|wtp | someone obviously said "hey we can save a penny and increase the expiry date if we just... " |
| 11:39.14 | |Kev| | This isn't right, surely? |
| 11:39.30 | |Kev| | Some things are still sacred, aren't they? |
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| 11:39.44 | ojwb | it isn't right, and don't call me shirley... |
| 11:39.47 | MatthewWilkes | |Kev|: I'm eating one as we speak |
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| 11:40.15 | ajed|wtp | they're smaller too, trying to fool me into thinking my hands grew.. pff |
| 11:40.33 | MatthewWilkes | they may be smaller but they're more filled now |
| 11:40.58 | ajed|wtp | i think the liquorice is shorter |
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| 11:45.27 | MatthewWilkes | ajed|wtp: Actually, this may have been genius |
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| 11:45.41 | MatthewWilkes | Now you don't squeeze the tube to dislodge the kayli, you put the lid on and shake |
| 11:45.50 | MatthewWilkes | it coats the liquorish really well |
| 11:46.34 | ajed|wtp | do they still sell those fisherman's friend sweets in the little paper packet? |
| 11:46.43 | MatthewWilkes | yeah |
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| 11:47.32 | |Kev| | Fisherman's friends I never got along with. |
| 11:47.45 | MatthewWilkes | the dutch use them to flavour vodka |
| 11:48.04 | ajed|wtp | bbl! |
| 11:48.24 | |Kev| | The Dutch are not British, and are therefore strange and curious creatures. |
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| 11:58.31 | thebolt | hi MatthewWilkes (and whoever else will feel left out if i don't greet them :) |
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| 11:59.10 | beng-nl | ;) |
| 11:59.17 | |Kev| | I would, but you already said hi to me, so I'll survive :) |
| 12:00.09 | gevaerts | feels left out |
| 12:00.19 | kai | feels right out |
| 12:00.26 | kai | just to be different |
| 12:00.31 | thebolt | hi gevaerts :P |
| 12:00.35 | thebolt | how're you guys doing? |
| 12:00.41 | gevaerts | waves to thebolt :) |
| 12:00.52 | thebolt | found himself a table in a quiet corner, with a power outlet.. and free wifi, good :) |
| 12:01.14 | MatthewWilkes | thebolt: I won't feel left out |
| 12:02.42 | thebolt | ok, forget that i said anything at all.. :P |
| 12:02.54 | MatthewWilkes | zupo: So, going to submit your proposal soon :) |
| 12:04.21 | thebolt | now i am stuck at airport here for the next 12 hours (10 hours to checkin) |
| 12:04.30 | zupo | MatthewWilkes: on my todo for tonight, yes :) |
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| 12:05.41 | MatthewWilkes | zupo: Good lad :) |
| 12:05.50 | zupo | :) |
| 12:06.50 | thebolt | this might become the first summer i could actually find time to participate as a student.. and of course i had to go and graduate last year :P |
| 12:07.07 | MatthewWilkes | I still am eligible next year |
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| 12:07.27 | zupo | I'm catching my last train :) |
| 12:07.41 | zupo | oh .... no ... actually, I can apply next year two |
| 12:07.41 | zupo | nice |
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| 12:19.32 | kugel | SRabbelier|Lappy: I suspect I shouldn't need to re-register as a student? |
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| 12:22.08 | SRabbelier|Lappy | kugel: why not? |
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| 12:22.20 | SRabbelier|Lappy | kugel: were you already registered as a student for GSoC2011? |
| 12:22.28 | kugel | no, but for 2010 |
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| 12:23.07 | kugel | and it told me yesterday that my student account (link id) is already taken. I didn't try again, but does that not happen anymore? |
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| 12:23.25 | SRabbelier|Lappy | kugel: right, I hooked you up with your old link_id |
| 12:23.32 | SRabbelier|Lappy | kugel: but you still need to register for gsoc2011 |
| 12:23.46 | kugel | oh got it, thanks |
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| 12:26.01 | ojwb | SRabbelier|Lappy: are email notifications meant to be working? |
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| 12:27.08 | SRabbelier|Lappy | ojwb: no, they need to be tested live first |
| 12:27.13 | SRabbelier|Lappy | ojwb: that is, on gsoc.appspot.com |
| 12:27.16 | SRabbelier|Lappy | ojwb: the code is committed though |
| 12:27.29 | ojwb | ah, I misunderstood what you said earlier I guess |
| 12:28.04 | kai | SRabbelier|Lappy: so Uncle Sverre wants US to test notifications!? |
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| 12:29.57 | kugel | SRabbelier|Lappy: everything fine now, I guess. thank you |
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| 12:33.50 | SRabbelier|Lappy | kai: yes, I can deploy it go gsoc.appspot.com now |
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| 12:36.37 | kai | hm, if someone wants to apply as a student to samba on gsoc.appspot.com, we can try this notification thing |
| 12:36.54 | kai | Or I can sign up for a new google account |
| 12:37.41 | ojwb | can try |
| 12:38.14 | kai | ojwb: I was already an org admin on gsoc.appspot.com, though, not sure if you aren't either |
| 12:38.28 | ojwb | oh, maybe i am |
| 12:39.11 | ojwb | ah yes |
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| 12:45.10 | SRabbelier|Lappy | ojwb, kai: it's deployed now |
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| 12:45.17 | SRabbelier|Lappy | ojwb, kai: go wild :) |
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| 12:45.30 | ojwb | on gsoc.appspot.com? |
| 12:45.45 | ojwb | is already an admin there, so it's not trivial to test |
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| 12:46.06 | ojwb | oh, I could sign up as a mentor |
| 12:48.32 | ojwb | kai: ok, i did that |
| 12:49.00 | SRabbelier|Lappy | ojwb: you should get notifications for mentors signing up too |
| 12:49.19 | ojwb | SRabbelier|Lappy: yes, I realised that, and have just tried it |
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| 12:50.20 | kai | ojwb: ok, hang on |
| 12:50.42 | kai | SRabbelier|Lappy: dude, html mail so not cool |
| 12:51.12 | kai | SRabbelier|Lappy: you're setting the wrong mime type |
| 12:51.22 | SRabbelier|Lappy | kai: fwd it? |
| 12:51.27 | SRabbelier|Lappy | kai: and that's not me, that's GAE doing it |
| 12:51.35 | ojwb | can register for melange too if you want |
| 12:51.45 | SRabbelier|Lappy | ojwb: yeah, go for it |
| 12:52.17 | ojwb | SRabbelier|Lappy: done |
| 12:52.49 | kai | SRabbelier|Lappy: even gmail doesn't display that correctly |
| 12:52.53 | kai | !bug |
| 12:52.54 | socinfo | kai: "bug" is file melange feature requests & bugs at http://tinyurl.com/new-issue |
| 12:53.06 | SRabbelier|Lappy | lol |
| 12:53.08 | SRabbelier|Lappy | I see the problem |
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| 12:54.32 | SRabbelier|Lappy | fixed |
| 12:54.38 | SRabbelier|Lappy | kai: did you file a bug? |
| 12:54.41 | MatthewWilkes | What's this about google invading my hometown, huh? |
| 12:54.53 | SRabbelier|Lappy | MatthewWilkes: say what now |
| 12:55.20 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier|Lappy: I'm hearing lots of rumours about a Google office in Bristol opening |
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| 12:57.42 | kai | SRabbelier|Lappy: http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=1182 |
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| 13:05.27 | kai | SRabbelier|Lappy: oh, and my co-mentor complains that he's being spammed by melange ;) |
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| 13:06.02 | ojwb | coadmin? |
| 13:06.26 | kai | er, co-admin, yes |
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| 13:12.46 | SRabbelier|Lappy | kai: he can unsubscribe :P |
| 13:13.00 | SRabbelier|Lappy | kai: ask him to do that so we can test if that works properly too :P |
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| 13:13.27 | ojwb | yell if you want me to try anything else |
| 13:13.32 | kai | it's a bit unfair to let him do extra work because I volunteered to help? |
| 13:13.39 | SRabbelier|Lappy | kai: I can't do it :) |
| 13:13.45 | |Kev| | ojwb: Can you try licking your elbow? :) |
| 13:14.03 | kintec | !studentguide |
| 13:14.04 | ojwb | |Kev|: only with one of my tongues |
| 13:14.04 | socinfo | kintec: "studentguide" is http://www.booki.cc/gsocstudentguide/ |
| 13:14.12 | kai | his boss is a dictator, I'm not really sure I should distract him while he's at work |
| 13:14.24 | SRabbelier|Lappy | kai, ojwb: I'm deploying a fix for the html-ness to gsoc now |
| 13:14.33 | ojwb | can try unsubscribing |
| 13:14.33 | SRabbelier|Lappy | kai, ojwb: I've also fixed the "edit settings" link |
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| 13:14.51 | kai | ojwb: you could offer to mentor for that one samba student |
| 13:15.26 | ojwb | done |
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| 13:15.48 | SRabbelier|Lappy | kai: offer to mentor doesn't generate emails |
| 13:15.55 | SRabbelier|Lappy | kai: but you can try commenting |
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| 13:16.03 | SRabbelier|Lappy | ojwb, kai: new version is up |
| 13:16.21 | SRabbelier|Lappy | kai: can you try requesting to be a mentor for Melange? |
| 13:16.33 | ojwb | commented too |
| 13:16.33 | kai | SRabbelier|Lappy: sure thing |
| 13:16.34 | SRabbelier|Lappy | oh, I see a bug in the request mails |
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| 13:18.01 | kai | SRabbelier|Lappy: done |
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| 13:18.32 | kai | SRabbelier|Lappy: the subject seems wrong |
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| 13:18.40 | kai | SRabbelier|Lappy: do you want a bug report about that? |
| 13:18.47 | SRabbelier|Lappy | kai: how so? |
| 13:19.03 | kai | "New public review on Kai Blin" |
| 13:19.09 | SRabbelier|Lappy | kai: hahaha |
| 13:19.12 | ojwb | SRabbelier|Lappy: Kai Blin has left the following private review at\n/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2011/grumpy_reviewer/1#c3001: |
| 13:19.16 | ojwb | should that be a url? |
| 13:19.16 | svaksha | betaVersion: its not very nice to PM people you dont know |
| 13:19.40 | kai | it's not a public review on me but on a proposal |
| 13:20.15 | ojwb | s/on/by |
| 13:20.16 | ojwb | I think |
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| 13:20.33 | SRabbelier|Lappy | kai: fix deploying |
| 13:20.41 | SRabbelier|Lappy | ojwb: yes, deploying a fix for that |
| 13:20.42 | kai | but it's more interesting to know what the review is about, not who wrote it |
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| 13:21.28 | SRabbelier|Lappy | kai: right, the new subject includes both |
| 13:21.48 | kai | SRabbelier|Lappy: great |
| 13:22.15 | kai | SRabbelier|Lappy: let me see if I can find something else to troll you about |
| 13:22.30 | |Kev| | Averages? :D |
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| 13:22.49 | SRabbelier|Lappy | kai, ojwb: try now |
| 13:23.42 | kai | 500 Server Error |
| 13:23.44 | kai | :) |
| 13:24.12 | kai | trying to leave a comment on that one application I got |
| 13:24.13 | SRabbelier|Lappy | kai: yeah, just noticed when I ran the tests :) |
| 13:24.21 | kai | you run tests? |
| 13:24.27 | kai | :D |
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| 13:25.46 | SRabbelier|Lappy | kai: after I deployed :D |
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| 13:27.43 | kai | SRabbelier|Lappy: the good news is that the comment made it through |
| 13:27.50 | kai | as did the notification |
| 13:27.55 | kai | so it died after that |
| 13:28.08 | SRabbelier|Lappy | kai: yeah, that's the bad news :) |
| 13:28.23 | SRabbelier|Lappy | kai: oh, wait, comments should be running in a transaction |
| 13:28.24 | SRabbelier|Lappy | curious |
| 13:28.35 | SRabbelier|Lappy | kai, ojwb: fix deployed, try again please :D |
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| 13:29.56 | SRabbelier|Lappy | kai: ah, never mind, it was dying in the redirect :) |
| 13:30.01 | SRabbelier|Lappy | kai: hence why the notification and comment did go through |
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| 13:32.03 | kai | SRabbelier|Lappy: am I supposed to get a notification when the student changes his proposal? |
| 13:32.19 | SRabbelier|Lappy | kai: ... no :P |
| 13:32.22 | SRabbelier|Lappy | kai: I forgot about that |
| 13:32.29 | dberkholz | SRabbelier|Lappy: does one still subscribe and unsubscribe to individual proposals for email, or do you get all of them, or ones you commented on? |
| 13:32.29 | kai | hehe |
| 13:32.31 | SRabbelier|Lappy | kai: should I add that? |
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| 13:32.36 | SRabbelier|Lappy | dberkholz: all of them |
| 13:32.40 | dberkholz | eek. |
| 13:32.43 | kai | I think it'd be nice to know |
| 13:32.50 | dberkholz | that's going to be brutal |
| 13:32.53 | SRabbelier|Lappy | kai: ask the student to leave a comment? |
| 13:33.08 | dberkholz | SRabbelier|Lappy: every mentor will get an email for every proposal, every time anyone does anything to it? |
| 13:33.09 | SRabbelier|Lappy | dberkholz: people explicitly told us they didn't want to subscribe to individual proposals, it was too much of a bother you see |
| 13:33.16 | kai | dberkholz: you annoying users. first you want notifications then you don't want notifications |
| 13:33.22 | SRabbelier|Lappy | dberkholz: only for new proposals, or when someone leaves a comment on it |
| 13:33.23 | kai | dberkholz: make up your mind, dammit |
| 13:33.41 | kai | :) |
| 13:33.42 | dberkholz | i personally want all of them. i don't know if my mentors are up to that level of email. |
| 13:33.47 | SRabbelier|Lappy | kai: would it make sense to ask the student to leave a comment if they updated it? |
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| 13:33.56 | SRabbelier|Lappy | kai: I assume some make many small edits that you wouldn't want to be notified of |
| 13:34.04 | kai | SRabbelier|Lappy: possibly |
| 13:34.09 | SRabbelier|Lappy | dberkholz: they can either unsubscribe, or create filters for the ones they don't |
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| 13:34.19 | dberkholz | yeah, i guess filters will work |
| 13:34.20 | SRabbelier|Lappy | dberkholz: the proposal name is included in the notification subject |
| 13:34.24 | kai | SRabbelier|Lappy: you'll get flamed either way, so I guess it;s your pick |
| 13:34.27 | SRabbelier|Lappy | kai: let's stick with that |
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| 13:34.59 | dberkholz | SRabbelier|Lappy: you've got the data. do students actually make tons of small edits? |
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| 13:35.15 | SRabbelier|Lappy | dberkholz: I don't have that data :P |
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| 13:35.24 | dberkholz | oh, right, you throw it away. i forgot |
| 13:35.34 | dberkholz | i suspect that students will just forget or otherwise not realize they need to leave a comment too |
| 13:35.35 | SRabbelier|Lappy | dberkholz: we don't collect it |
| 13:35.42 | dberkholz | unless there's blinking red text somewhere that says so |
| 13:35.56 | ojwb | i think I'd rather get notified than not |
| 13:36.07 | kai | dberkholz: then of course people will flame him for using a <bling> tag |
| 13:36.08 | ojwb | they should be easy to filter |
| 13:36.10 | SRabbelier|Lappy | dberkholz: you sure? :) |
| 13:36.11 | kai | blink, as well |
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| 13:36.23 | dberkholz | SRabbelier|Lappy: yeah, i'd really like to get an email on proposal updates. |
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| 13:36.32 | dberkholz | i'm already going to get 500-1000, what's a few hundred more |
| 13:36.35 | gevaerts | dberkholz: maybe the notifications can get a [notification] tag in the subject? :) |
| 13:36.41 | SRabbelier|Lappy | dberkholz: ok, what should the subject be then, to be easily filterable? |
| 13:36.49 | dberkholz | SRabbelier|Lappy: make it a separate checkbox and then people who don't want them won't care. |
| 13:36.49 | SRabbelier|Lappy | gevaerts: why? |
| 13:36.51 | aghisla | [urgent] |
| 13:36.59 | SRabbelier|Lappy | aghisla: +1 |
| 13:37.02 | kai | gevaerts: whatever you do, don't mention the war.. and tags in subjects |
| 13:37.07 | SRabbelier|Lappy | [URGENT] Actio nneeded |
| 13:37.08 | ojwb | assumes that was a reference to the long thread about subject tags |
| 13:37.10 | gevaerts | SRabbelier|Lappy: sorry, I forgot the "troll" attribute on that line |
| 13:37.11 | SRabbelier|Lappy | kai: lol |
| 13:37.15 | dberkholz | SRabbelier|Lappy: something like "$STUDENT updated proposal $PROPOSAL" |
| 13:37.17 | aghisla | SRabbelier|Lappy: ^5 |
| 13:37.20 | dberkholz | with the [GSoC] whatever |
| 13:37.40 | SRabbelier|Lappy | dberkholz: why [GSOC] you can already see that from the From: |
| 13:37.51 | dberkholz | sure, that's fine. i just remember you mentioning it yesterday |
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| 13:38.02 | dberkholz | maybe tag "for $ORGANIZATION" on the end of that |
| 13:38.07 | kai | yeah |
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| 13:38.28 | kai | that'd be nice.. so I don't need to keep track of what org my five students applied to :) |
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| 13:38.58 | shinnok | SRabbelier|Lappy, is the additional info info url public? from what I can see it seems so |
| 13:39.09 | SRabbelier|Lappy | shinnok: yes it is |
| 13:39.18 | SRabbelier|Lappy | dberkholz: it's at the beginning :) |
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| 13:39.36 | kai | ah, right |
| 13:39.43 | SRabbelier|Lappy | so the new proposal and updated proposal subjects should include student name? |
| 13:39.43 | shinnok | SRabbelier|Lappy, so the checkbox for public applies only to the content right? |
| 13:39.49 | SRabbelier|Lappy | shinnok: no |
| 13:39.58 | SRabbelier|Lappy | shinnok: the proposal page is not visible to the public if you don't check that box |
| 13:40.06 | SRabbelier|Lappy | shinnok: if you do check it, everything is visible |
| 13:40.15 | SRabbelier|Lappy | shinnok: (excluding comments) |
| 13:40.21 | shinnok | SRabbelier|Lappy, no even the 500 words description? |
| 13:41.06 | SRabbelier|Lappy | shinnok: correct |
| 13:41.07 | dberkholz | SRabbelier|Lappy: people have been talking about proposals having the same name (from the original idea) so people will want to see the student too |
| 13:41.15 | SRabbelier|Lappy | dberkholz: adding |
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| 13:41.59 | shinnok | SRabbelier|Lappy, ok then, another one would be, what happens if one student gets selected to several orgs. and then he picks one, is it possible for the other orgs to lose a gsoc slots? |
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| 13:42.28 | ojwb | shinnok: they get to select another student if they have a suitable one |
| 13:42.42 | ojwb | if not, they would give back the slot and another org would get it |
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| 13:42.59 | ojwb | the student doesn't necessarily get to pick |
| 13:43.06 | shinnok | ojwb, that's reasonable, nice |
| 13:43.16 | shinnok | ojwb, hmm, how so, the picking part? |
| 13:43.20 | ojwb | so if you're an admin, prepare some spares |
| 13:43.22 | gevaerts | shinnok: that org is allowed to make a fuss and not accept the decision, and wait until the final duplicate resolution meeting to argue its case |
| 13:43.53 | ojwb | if one org really wants the student and the other has loads of good proposals |
| 13:43.59 | ojwb | or if it's the only student for one org |
| 13:44.01 | ojwb | or ... |
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| 13:44.17 | aghisla | i was one. |
| 13:44.20 | ojwb | ultimately it's assumed students are happy to do a project if they applied for it |
| 13:45.16 | shinnok | ojwb, hmm ok so there is mediation and conflict resolution besides the student's choice |
| 13:45.37 | ojwb | google really doesn't want to get involved, but ultimately will decide if the orgs can't agree |
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| 13:45.49 | shinnok | ojwb, against the students will..that is the dark side |
| 13:45.55 | shinnok | :) |
| 13:46.00 | ojwb | shinnok: well, it's against their preference |
| 13:46.07 | ojwb | typically they'll get their preference |
| 13:46.11 | ojwb | it's just not automatic |
| 13:46.12 | shinnok | ojwb, order of preference yes. |
| 13:46.40 | SRabbelier|Lappy | shinnok: if you apply to a project, you should assume to work on it |
| 13:46.46 | SRabbelier|Lappy | shinnok: don't apply to a project if you don't want to work on it |
| 13:47.02 | |Kev| | shinnok: No students will do projects against their will. |
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| 13:47.51 | |Kev| | Not unless other mentors have persuasion techniques that I remain ignorant of. |
| 13:47.54 | dberkholz | i do |
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| 13:49.00 | MatthewWilkes | can vouch for that |
| 13:49.12 | shinnok | SRabbelier|Lappy, I did start from the assumption that the student would be fine doing any of his applications, but in case he would be selected for more, I think it is realistic to assume the he might have an order of preference too |
| 13:49.37 | |Kev| | shinnok: It is reasonable to assume he will, and in the usual case this preference will be considered. |
| 13:49.38 | ojwb | he might have one, but so do the orgs... |
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| 13:49.49 | gevaerts | shinnok: sure, but it's also realistic to assume that not getting this student doesn't have the same impact on all orgs |
| 13:49.52 | MatthewWilkes | shinnok: Yes, and orgs will try to take that into account, but for example if one org was borderline and one was very convinced they might not |
| 13:49.58 | gevaerts | And if that difference in impact is big, ... |
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| 13:50.04 | SRabbelier|Lappy | shinnok: sometimes things just don't work out that way though |
| 13:50.17 | dberkholz | it also depends on who the next slot would go to for both orgs |
| 13:50.28 | ojwb | if you're a student and have a preference, make it clear on the application |
| 13:50.29 | dberkholz | if the "backup" student is horrible for one but good for the other |
| 13:50.32 | ojwb | so the org definitely know |
| 13:50.50 | shinnok | SRabbelier|Lappy, oh and how does one find out to which ones was he selected? is that available or only the end result will be visible(possibly after a mediation)? |
| 13:50.59 | dberkholz | we ended up giving slots back last year because we lost so many students in conflict resolution that we didn't have good fallbacks for those ideas |
| 13:51.01 | SRabbelier|Lappy | shinnok: the latter |
| 13:51.17 | ojwb | disabled comment notifications if you want to test that |
| 13:51.23 | ojwb | kai ^ |
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| 13:52.09 | shinnok | disabled comment notifi... ? |
| 13:52.31 | ojwb | new melange feature |
| 13:52.43 | shinnok | to disable the comment e-mails? |
| 13:53.21 | ojwb | yes |
| 13:53.24 | shinnok | hmm this wasn't related to our discussion, just an ann. right? if so nvm |
| 13:53.28 | shinnok | :) |
| 13:53.37 | ojwb | sorry, no |
| 13:53.42 | shinnok | ok |
| 13:53.45 | ojwb | it was an earlier discussion continued |
| 13:53.57 | ojwb | but I got distracted and failed to do it then |
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| 13:54.58 | shinnok | just a side-rant, from the mentors perspective, did the GSoC interest and application rates go up this year? |
| 13:54.59 | saksham | don't u think it should be open for all to see how many applications have been submitted for a project? |
| 13:55.19 | |Kev| | saksham: I don't see why. |
| 13:55.24 | saksham | It'll help everyone make a better decision |
| 13:55.28 | ojwb | some orgs report fewr applications so far, some more |
| 13:55.29 | |Kev| | 'everyone'? |
| 13:56.26 | ojwb | thinks it would be good to be open about such things, but that it might tend to encourage problematic behaviour |
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| 13:57.00 | ojwb | though perhaps it would just be different problematic behaviour to what we get now |
| 13:57.15 | shinnok | how can i browse the public applications, I tried melange search but I found one who seemed like an application.. thus I am skeptic about this method |
| 13:57.17 | SRabbelier|Lappy | saksham: you can ask your org if you want |
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| 13:57.31 | SRabbelier|Lappy | shinnok: not implemented atm |
| 13:57.31 | ojwb | you can't browse them, you need the url |
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| 13:57.45 | SRabbelier|Lappy | shinnok: to make it at least somewhat private :) |
| 13:57.55 | shinnok | will stay this way? |
| 13:57.58 | ojwb | just the number isn't actually a useful thing to know though really |
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| 13:58.15 | ojwb | the number of junk applications seems to vary widely |
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| 13:58.44 | SRabbelier|Lappy | ojwb: possibly related to when the org is featured on the homepage during prime time in certain countries ;) |
| 13:58.54 | ojwb | maybe |
| 13:59.07 | ojwb | our first two were before that rotation though I think |
| 13:59.11 | ojwb | and from the same person |
| 13:59.48 | MatthewWilkes | anyone seen us in rotation yet? |
| 13:59.55 | MatthewWilkes | I haven't and I don't trus SRabbelier ;) |
| 14:00.01 | ojwb | wonders what the plone logo looks like |
| 14:00.10 | SRabbelier|Lappy | MatthewWilkes: Talad has logs :) |
| 14:00.16 | ojwb | yes, I have actually |
| 14:00.32 | MatthewWilkes | smells a conspiracy |
| 14:00.46 | shinnok | will a public app. browse feature be impl. ? |
| 14:00.52 | Talad | hi MatthewWilkes |
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| 14:00.55 | Talad | which org? |
| 14:00.57 | SRabbelier|Lappy | shinnok: not anytime soon probably |
| 14:00.58 | MatthewWilkes | Talad: Plone |
| 14:01.13 | shinnok | ok, thanks for the great and prompt answers |
| 14:01.17 | shinnok | o/ |
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| 14:01.49 | Talad | yes, plenty of times |
| 14:01.55 | Talad | 2011 Apr 03 12 41 29.txt |
| 14:02.03 | Talad | 2011 Apr 03 23 02 48.txt |
| 14:02.07 | Talad | 2011 Apr 04 09 35 06.txt |
| 14:02.08 | Talad | -- |
| 14:02.12 | Talad | at least those |
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| 14:02.19 | SRabbelier|Lappy | Talad: pretty sweet |
| 14:02.23 | Talad | it's year, month, day, hour, minutes |
| 14:02.30 | MatthewWilkes | awesome, thanks :) |
| 14:02.32 | Talad | then I stopped the logger |
| 14:02.42 | Talad | that's in GMT+1 time |
| 14:02.45 | Talad | so my time |
| 14:03.05 | Talad | it printed: |
| 14:03.06 | Talad | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:03.07 | MatthewWilkes | Talad: Ah, cool, where abouts are you? |
| 14:03.09 | Talad | on the page |
| 14:03.19 | Talad | I'm Italy |
| 14:03.28 | SRabbelier|Lappy | Talad: you are? |
| 14:03.31 | Talad | I had the same issue, never seen our logo |
| 14:03.33 | MatthewWilkes | Talad: That's GMT+2, I got my hopes up for another english person! |
| 14:03.34 | SRabbelier|Lappy | Talad: all by yourself? :D |
| 14:03.46 | Talad | so I started a logger :) |
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| 14:04.44 | Talad | MatthewWilkes: now with daylight saving there is one extra hour |
| 14:04.47 | gevaerts | MatthewWilkes: The rest of us are hoping for fewer of you! ;) |
| 14:04.49 | Talad | compared to US |
| 14:04.52 | Talad | but it's GMT+1 |
| 14:04.56 | kai | ojwb: hang on |
| 14:05.01 | gevaerts | Talad: it's GMT+2 |
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| 14:05.09 | Talad | http://www.worldtimezone.com/ |
| 14:05.10 | gevaerts | Winter is GMT+1 |
| 14:05.12 | MatthewWilkes | Talad: GMT doesn't do daylight savings, the UK goes into BST which is GMT+1 |
| 14:05.41 | Talad | we are 1 hour after Greenwich time |
| 14:05.42 | Talad | this is GMT |
| 14:05.45 | Talad | so it's GMT+1 |
| 14:05.54 | kai | ojwb: student left a comment. you shouldn't have gotten it |
| 14:05.58 | thebolt | Talad: no, right now you are UTC+2 (or GMT+2 in the old way of saying things) |
| 14:06.04 | thebolt | GMT has no daylight savings |
| 14:06.09 | MatthewWilkes | Talad: and the time in grenwich currently is GMT+1 |
| 14:06.10 | SRabbelier|Lappy | Talad: Greenwhich is GMT+1 in the summer ;) |
| 14:06.13 | ojwb | kai: well, I didn't |
| 14:06.16 | ojwb | yet anyway |
| 14:06.17 | Talad | then write to http://www.worldtimezone.com/ |
| 14:06.17 | gevaerts | Talad: you're now two hours after Greenwich Mean Time |
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| 14:06.20 | Talad | and tell them they are wrong |
| 14:06.34 | SRabbelier|Lappy | ah, wait |
| 14:06.34 | Talad | gevaerts: I'm 1 hour after UK, not two |
| 14:06.44 | gevaerts | Talad: they're not wrong. http://www.worldtimezone.com/time/wtzresult.php?CiID=4121 tells me that Italy is now in GMT+2 |
| 14:06.50 | thebolt | Talad: but UK is not GMT right now |
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| 14:07.06 | ojwb | Talad: the GMT line says 02:06PM |
| 14:07.09 | thebolt | Talad: UK is GMT+1 during the summer |
| 14:07.20 | ojwb | blue is 04:06PM |
| 14:07.29 | Talad | http://www.worldtimezone.com/wtz008.php |
| 14:07.34 | Talad | blue says GMT+1 on the top |
| 14:07.45 | Talad | and UK is GMT |
| 14:07.46 | thebolt | Talad: it does not take daylight savings into account |
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| 14:07.58 | thebolt | it gives "unmodified" timezones |
| 14:08.03 | Talad | well, it does or it would be one hour less |
| 14:08.04 | ojwb | that legend is wrong then... |
| 14:08.09 | aghisla | yay! another timezone war! |
| 14:08.11 | thebolt | check the small note at the bottom |
| 14:08.38 | Talad | I don't see what's the problem, everyone upgraded daylight saving in europe |
| 14:08.45 | Talad | so UK is one hour before us |
| 14:08.48 | Talad | and they are GMT |
| 14:08.48 | thebolt | yes, but not everywhere in the world |
| 14:08.52 | thebolt | no |
| 14:08.52 | kai | no |
| 14:08.54 | thebolt | UK is not GMT |
| 14:08.56 | gevaerts | yes, but UK is *not* on GMT |
| 14:09.04 | Talad | well |
| 14:09.07 | thebolt | UK is BST |
| 14:09.09 | Talad | do you know what GMT means? |
| 14:09.11 | MatthewWilkes | Talad: Speaking as somebody that lived in the UK for 23 years, believe me, the UK isn't on GMT |
| 14:09.19 | thebolt | besides, GMT has been retired |
| 14:09.22 | MatthewWilkes | waves his UK passport |
| 14:09.23 | thebolt | it is not officially in use anymore |
| 14:09.29 | Talad | tell me what GMT means please |
| 14:09.44 | MatthewWilkes | Talad: Greenwich Mean Time, the solar time at the Greenwich meridian |
| 14:09.50 | gevaerts | It means Greenwich Mean Time, which is the mean solar time in a place called Greenwich |
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| 14:09.59 | thebolt | MatthewWilkes: no, it is not the solar time at Greenwich |
| 14:10.02 | thebolt | it is a calculated mean |
| 14:10.06 | Talad | right and time at greenwich atm is 3:09 |
| 14:10.17 | Talad | which is one hour before Italy |
| 14:10.21 | gevaerts | not the mean solar time |
| 14:10.23 | |Kev| | Talad: It is not 15:10 in GMT at the moment, sorry. |
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| 14:10.30 | SRabbelier|Lappy | Talad: no |
| 14:10.34 | thebolt | Talad: _institutional_ time |
| 14:10.37 | SRabbelier|Lappy | Talad: During DST, Greenwhich is on GMT+1 |
| 14:10.38 | MatthewWilkes | Talad: Correct. But the Mean Time in greenwich isn't. |
| 14:10.43 | SRabbelier|Lappy | Talad: that's the rediculous bit |
| 14:10.49 | ojwb | TZ=GMT date |
| 14:10.49 | ojwb | Tue Apr 5 14:10:38 GMT 2011 |
| 14:11.00 | Talad | I still don't see the point really |
| 14:11.02 | |Kev| | It's 14:10 in GMT at the moment, and the UK is on GMT+1. |
| 14:11.27 | SRabbelier|Lappy | Talad: In the UK, GMT is the official time only during winter; during summer British Summer Time is used. GMT is the same as Western European Time.[2] |
| 14:11.27 | Talad | then http://www.worldtimezone.com/wtz008.php is wrong |
| 14:11.40 | Talad | and anyway we are GMT+1 |
| 14:11.42 | thebolt | thinks people should stop using an old, outdated, standard anyhow and ' |
| 14:11.43 | MatthewWilkes | Talad: No, you're just ignoring the DST label |
| 14:11.50 | MatthewWilkes | Talad: Which adds 1 hour to the things shown |
| 14:12.01 | gevaerts | Talad: you're GMT+1 in winter |
| 14:12.02 | thebolt | there is a small note about DST at the bottom of the map.. |
| 14:12.12 | SRabbelier|Lappy | Talad: it's not adjusted for DST, see the note, and http://www.worldtimezone.com/daylight.html |
| 14:12.24 | aghisla | isn't it enough that you know your local timezone? |
| 14:12.29 | MatthewWilkes | Talad: Because not everything in the column has DST, so it shows unmodified and adds the modifiers |
| 14:12.34 | Talad | thebolt: the fact we are in daylight saving doesn't change anything |
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| 14:12.36 | Talad | Italy is GMT+1 |
| 14:12.40 | thebolt | Talad: it does! |
| 14:12.40 | |Kev| | Talad: No, it isn't. |
| 14:12.46 | thebolt | GMT does not have DST |
| 14:12.47 | |Kev| | Italy is currently GMT+2. |
| 14:12.54 | Talad | is "currently" |
| 14:12.54 | aghisla | it's 16.12 in italy now |
| 14:12.56 | thebolt | during DST you are GMT+2 (just as sweden by the way) |
| 14:12.58 | MatthewWilkes | holds up the troll flag and goes home |
| 14:12.59 | ojwb | decides Talad is trolling again |
| 14:13.01 | Talad | but it's GMT+1 by definition |
| 14:13.11 | MatthewWilkes | ojwb: :D |
| 14:13.20 | dberkholz | i'd already made the same decision quietly. |
| 14:13.21 | thebolt | Italy (and Sweden) are on CET in the winter, and CEST in the summer |
| 14:13.21 | SRabbelier|Lappy | Agreed, Talad, enough about this |
| 14:13.27 | |Kev| | No, it's not. Italy's winter time is GMT+1 by definition. Its summer time is +2 by definition. |
| 14:13.30 | gevaerts | objects to Greenwich Mean Trolling |
| 14:13.35 | dberkholz | go talk about this in ##time or something |
| 14:13.43 | SRabbelier|Lappy | gevaerts: lol :) |
| 14:13.44 | Talad | |Kev|: it's not |
| 14:13.49 | ojwb | ##time+1 |
| 14:13.55 | Talad | everywhere you set the time you say GMT+1 |
| 14:13.56 | SRabbelier|Lappy | Talad: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=215 |
| 14:13.58 | |Kev| | Ok, I'll stop feeding the troll too. |
| 14:14.04 | SRabbelier|Lappy | Talad: and that's the last of it |
| 14:14.04 | Talad | then it calculates +1 hour if it's daylight saving |
| 14:14.07 | |Kev| | bimbles off. |
| 14:14.16 | gevaerts | Talad: GMT+1+1 = ? |
| 14:14.20 | SRabbelier|Lappy | takes out the ban hammer |
| 14:14.26 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier|Lappy: Nah |
| 14:14.34 | SRabbelier|Lappy | MatthewWilkes: it's used for /kick too :D |
| 14:14.38 | Talad | SRabbelier|Lappy: in that link it says GMT+1 |
| 14:14.39 | ojwb | http://xkcd.com/386/ |
| 14:14.41 | SRabbelier|Lappy | MatthewWilkes: just the blunt end |
| 14:14.42 | Talad | like it should |
| 14:14.51 | Talad | then in says we have 1 hour for daylight saving |
| 14:14.51 | *** kick/#gsoc [Talad!~sverre@msc11.st.ewi.tudelft.nl] by SRabbelier|Lappy (enough) |
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| 14:15.26 | Talad | hey , I didn't start this discussion |
| 14:15.29 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier|Lappy: PI IS EXACTLY THREE. |
| 14:15.37 | gevaerts | MatthewWilkes: in which base? :) |
| 14:15.45 | *** kick/#gsoc [MatthewWilkes!~sverre@msc11.st.ewi.tudelft.nl] by SRabbelier|Lappy (you too) |
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| 14:15.57 | Talad | SRabbelier|Lappy: why you kicked me? |
| 14:16.22 | SRabbelier|Lappy | Talad: because this discussion is over, it's not relevant to #gsoc |
| 14:16.23 | shadeslayer | ojwb: that reminds me of Sheldon Cooper in TBBT |
| 14:16.30 | Talad | then kick the guys that started it |
| 14:16.41 | MatthewWilkes | Talad: He did, see? ^^^^^ |
| 14:16.45 | SRabbelier|Lappy | Talad: I kicked the guy who kept going after i said enough |
| 14:16.50 | MatthewWilkes | ;) |
| 14:17.05 | efes | Does Google plans to renew/buy ACM students account? |
| 14:17.12 | SRabbelier|Lappy | efes: it's a surprise |
| 14:17.14 | Talad | [16:13] <@SRabbelier|Lappy> Agreed, Talad, enough about this |
| 14:17.14 | Talad | [16:13] <|Kev|> No, it's not. Italy's winter time is GMT+1 by definition. Its summer time is +2 by definition. |
| 14:17.22 | SRabbelier|Lappy | efes: if they do, you'll see |
| 14:17.23 | Talad | I'm sorry you need to learn to read then |
| 14:17.25 | *** kick/#gsoc [Talad!~sverre@msc11.st.ewi.tudelft.nl] by SRabbelier|Lappy (drop it) |
| 14:17.27 | ojwb | Talad: actually, I checked and you started it |
| 14:17.32 | efes | SRabbelier|Lappy: Hahhahah :D Sure it is :D Thanks |
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| 14:18.01 | Talad | wait the next time I help you SRabbelier|Lappy |
| 14:18.18 | SRabbelier|Lappy | shakes head in disbelief |
| 14:18.34 | thebolt | haha, not the first time, probably not the last time either .P |
| 14:19.01 | SRabbelier|Lappy | thebolt: word |
| 14:19.16 | aghisla | excel! |
| 14:19.22 | thebolt | (lets say i have some past.. 8 year.. experience with him :P) |
| 14:19.42 | thebolt | or hm, more like 10 now |
| 14:19.54 | SRabbelier|Lappy | thebolt: tell me all about it in PM if you will :) |
| 14:19.55 | |Kev| | Please tell me he's a student not a mentor or admin... |
| 14:20.03 | ojwb | admin I think |
| 14:20.07 | |Kev| | Dear Lord. |
| 14:20.16 | efes | : D |
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| 14:20.49 | ojwb | for planeshift |
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| 14:21.55 | ojwb | called troll on him the other day and he stropped off |
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| 14:23.58 | SRabbelier|Lappy | wooh, git is on the homepage :) |
| 14:24.29 | |Kev| | I noticed that. I've not noticed us yet the few time I've tried, so obviously I'm entirely convinced your randomness isn't working :D |
| 14:25.28 | gevaerts | |Kev|: If it were really random, you'd have a chance of not appearing at all :) |
| 14:25.41 | dberkholz | i haven't seen gentoo yet either, i'm just presuming we've been there |
| 14:25.47 | |Kev| | gevaerts: Oh noes! |
| 14:25.51 | dberkholz | i saw x.org the other day |
| 14:26.03 | gevaerts | I therefore claim that it's probably not random at all :) |
| 14:26.17 | SRabbelier|Lappy | if only Talad was here, we could ask him :) |
| 14:26.27 | |Kev| | gevaerts: Actually, if it's entirely random, we have a p(1) of appearing there. We just have to wait forever. |
| 14:26.51 | thebolt | |Kev|: only in the limit-sense ;) |
| 14:26.58 | gevaerts | |Kev|: yes, but that assumes melange not changing forever, which we know is p(0) :) |
| 14:27.06 | |Kev| | thebolt: Free your mind, man... |
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| 14:27.31 | thebolt | studied too much maths at uni to let sloppy maths-comments pass by |
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| 14:28.07 | SRabbelier|Lappy | he's indeed the admin for atomicblue |
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| 14:30.44 | thebolt | hm, airport is getting empty.. last flight for the day is in an hour i think, then it will be _very_ empty |
| 14:30.58 | SRabbelier|Lappy | thebolt: what are you doing at an airport anyway? |
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| 14:31.09 | thebolt | SRabbelier|Lappy: waiting for my flight tomorrow morning |
| 14:31.39 | thebolt | i could have got here tomorrow (by cab, too early for the trains.. and cab is pretty cheap.. ~20 euro) |
| 14:32.08 | SRabbelier|Lappy | thebolt: you're staying overnight? |
| 14:32.22 | thebolt | so i guess the real reason i went here today was to see off a girl on her flight to europe, and that was worth the minor inconvenience of sleeping at the airport |
| 14:32.25 | thebolt | yep |
| 14:32.32 | thebolt | sixth time i am at this airport ;) |
| 14:32.51 | SRabbelier|Lappy | thebolt: curious |
| 14:32.53 | thebolt | it is a really nice airport for sleeping.. last flight at about midnight, then it goes dead |
| 14:33.11 | SRabbelier|Lappy | thebolt: the airport benches don't sound comfy |
| 14:33.22 | thebolt | big nice sofas, free wifi (a bit long between the power outlets) and no fear of getting robbed, just put your stuff next to you and sleep |
| 14:33.34 | thebolt | they are, esp in the arrival area, might head down there later when i want to sleep |
| 14:33.47 | thebolt | (big two-seat leather sofas) |
| 14:34.20 | SRabbelier|Lappy | thebolt: that does sound nice, what airport might that be? |
| 14:34.47 | thebolt | Taipei/Taoyuan international airport |
| 14:34.50 | thebolt | (on Taiwan) |
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| 14:35.31 | thebolt | hm, Taiwan Taoyuan International Airport is apparently the right name now |
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| 14:38.56 | thebolt | in fact, most north/east asian airports i've been at are pretty good |
| 14:39.22 | thebolt | didn't like manila though |
| 14:40.50 | Triskelios | Taoyuan in the name is a good reminder it's a ways out from the city :) |
| 14:41.16 | thebolt | Triskelios: what do you mean? |
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| 14:44.00 | Triskelios | thebolt: it's more than half an hour out from Taipei |
| 14:44.15 | thebolt | Triskelios: yes, i know :) i live in taipei.. |
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| 14:44.48 | Triskelios | my extended family does, too |
| 14:44.55 | thebolt | but i don't see the association to the name? (except for a double meaining in "yuan", that what you mean? :) |
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| 14:48.01 | |Kev| | SRabbelier|Lappy: Am I right in thinking that when the time comes for selection, the scores are going to be irrelevant and the admin will manually mark which students they want? |
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| 14:53.24 | SRabbelier|Lappy | |Kev|: correct |
| 14:53.30 | kai | |Kev|: not sure, but I bet it's melange's fault |
| 14:53.34 | SRabbelier|Lappy | |Kev|: (you just had to use "time" in that didn't you |
| 14:53.53 | SRabbelier|Lappy | |Kev|: although the admins can still sort by score to make the process easier if they prefer :) |
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| 14:55.04 | |Kev| | SRabbelier|Lappy: Thanks. Was just wondering if I had to head off politics during voting (if they occur), of if I could route around them later :) |
| 14:55.34 | kai | SRabbelier|Lappy: you know, I've just been thinking.. if I work on a bunch #gsoc-related features for socinfo, can we finally fix bug#611 ? |
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| 14:56.56 | SRabbelier|Lappy | kai: *grins* |
| 14:57.10 | gevaerts | kai: but that would go against lh's decision! Heresy! |
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| 14:57.19 | SRabbelier|Lappy | gevaerts: truth! |
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| 14:57.30 | kai | gevaerts: nah, I guess her account was hacked on the second comment |
| 14:57.55 | kai | gevaerts: I see the "Priority-Critical Component-Logic Type-Defect Performance Usability" |
| 14:57.57 | SRabbelier|Lappy | kai: should be easy enough to add a https url where you could POST to from the bot (with a token) |
| 14:58.39 | kai | :D |
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| 15:00.20 | kai | whoops, going-home time |
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| 15:01.11 | sfb | Waht's bug #611? |
| 15:02.16 | ojwb | delay announcement by 1 minute for every !next |
| 15:03.03 | sfb | Ah |
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| 15:03.41 | gevaerts | !next |
| 15:03.42 | socinfo | gevaerts: "next" is April 8: 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. The overall timeline is at http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
| 15:03.46 | sfb | Like set a delay in how frequently it can be called? |
| 15:04.02 | sfb | Or delay the actual project announcement (e.g. orgs accepted?) |
| 15:04.24 | sfb | Because if it is the latter we might as well cancel GSoC 2012 now. (; |
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| 15:04.35 | ojwb | http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=611 |
| 15:04.38 | SRabbelier|Lappy | sfb: the latter was the idea :) |
| 15:04.52 | SRabbelier|Lappy | sfb: and indeed, that's the reason it was never implemented :P |
| 15:05.00 | sfb | hahahaha |
| 15:05.05 | sfb | That's funny. |
| 15:05.09 | sfb | Good ol' Kay. |
| 15:05.09 | gevaerts | sfb: no, why? GSoC 2011 will just start in 2050 or so |
| 15:05.18 | sfb | Kai too. |
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| 15:32.27 | PassingBy | seeks permission to ask possibly dumb question |
| 15:32.36 | PassingBy | but asks anyway |
| 15:32.57 | PassingBy | when do mentors actually select projects? |
| 15:33.12 | PassingBy | i mean can i give a rough proposal on the melange website |
| 15:33.29 | PassingBy | and send the mentors "unofficial" detailed proposal |
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| 15:33.31 | scgtrp | after the deadline |
| 15:33.32 | ajedwards | They rate them after the deadline for submission |
| 15:33.38 | scgtrp | you can edit them up until then |
| 15:33.49 | ajedwards | you should try and contact them by other means, of course... |
| 15:36.17 | PassingBy | and they can change the ratings after the deadline? i mean after getting further information from the student. |
| 15:36.40 | PassingBy | (until the 25th that is) |
| 15:36.45 | SRabbelier|Lappy | PassingBy: correct |
| 15:36.51 | SRabbelier|Lappy | PassingBy: you can still leave comments after the deadline |
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| 15:37.41 | PassingBy | ok thanks. that clears something up for me |
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| 15:43.03 | PassingBy | so on the 25th of this month google just picks the top n ranked proposals where n is the number of slots(until which time mentors are free to move the proposals up or down) |
| 15:43.22 | |Kev| | Not exactly, no. |
| 15:43.47 | |Kev| | Although that's near enough if you're asking from a student's PoV. |
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| 15:44.52 | grvina | k |
| 15:46.40 | PassingBy | reason i'm asking is i may not have time to perfect my proposal by the 8th. so i thought i could put a half finished proposal on the melange website and tell the mentor to expect a more detailed proposal from me after a day or two. |
| 15:47.30 | |Kev| | You can't edit your proposal after the deadline. |
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| 15:47.35 | exe_ | i've heard that it's not possible to edit |
| 15:47.51 | |Kev| | You can still reply to comments, but that's your proposal set in stone then. |
| 15:48.09 | ravenlock | no one would/should accept a half baked application. |
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| 15:48.16 | SRabbelier|Lappy | |Kev|: FTR, we are planning on alloing updating of proposals after the deadline |
| 15:48.17 | ravenlock | best to complete it before the deadline |
| 15:48.28 | |Kev| | SRabbelier|Lappy: Oh. Why would you do that? |
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| 15:48.34 | ravenlock | then why the deadline? |
| 15:48.37 | |Kev| | SRabbelier|Lappy: That seems unhelpful for mentors. |
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| 15:48.54 | dberkholz | so people can just submit stubs by the deadline and then write it later? |
| 15:49.04 | luizribeiro | is there anywhere I can see all the publicly available proposals on melange? |
| 15:49.16 | ravenlock | that is contrary to the definition of a "deadline", as I understand it. |
| 15:49.27 | SRabbelier|Lappy | dberkholz: previous system had a checkbox |
| 15:49.32 | SRabbelier|Lappy | dberkholz: /button, that mentors could click |
| 15:49.34 | SRabbelier|Lappy | to allow editing |
| 15:50.01 | Hindu | Can I monitor anyhow the no. of applications in any organisation / |
| 15:50.24 | dberkholz | i'll definitely be unchecking that checkbox |
| 15:50.47 | dberkholz | it's hard enough to evaluate so many proposals within that timeframe without them changing |
| 15:50.50 | |Kev| | SRabbelier|Lappy: Oh right, as long as we can just not check that, it seems ok. |
| 15:51.44 | |Kev| | I thought you were suggesting students would, by default, be able to edit their proposals after we've reviewed them, which'd be hideous :) |
| 15:51.47 | SRabbelier|Lappy | Hindu: no, you can ask the organization though |
| 15:52.01 | SRabbelier|Lappy | |Kev|: hehe :) |
| 15:52.19 | dberkholz | |Kev|: the most frustrating aspect is that different people would be scoring different things, depending on the time it's read |
| 15:52.29 | |Kev| | dberkholz: Right. |
| 15:52.34 | Hindu | OK |
| 15:52.35 | |Kev| | That hadn't escaped my notice :) |
| 15:52.57 | dberkholz | maybe we'll need to write something on "Recommended Melange settings for a usable, sane workflow" =P |
| 15:53.31 | SRabbelier|Lappy | dberkholz: It'd be a button you have to click explicitly |
| 15:53.33 | SRabbelier|Lappy | dberkholz: not on-by-default |
| 15:53.35 | gevaerts | dberkholz: won't you need seventeen of those? :) |
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| 15:54.07 | dberkholz | gevaerts: it would be kind of interesting to have a few different workflow models with "sets" of settings for each. |
| 15:54.13 | dberkholz | kinda like some of the git documentation |
| 15:54.32 | SRabbelier|Lappy | dberkholz: I'm not sure everybody agrees that the git documentation is a good example :P |
| 15:54.33 | gevaerts | And plugins! |
| 15:54.41 | SRabbelier|Lappy | gevaerts: we have modules! |
| 15:54.51 | PassingBy | decides to stop trying to find loopholes and finish his proposal pronto |
| 15:54.58 | dberkholz | SRabbelier|Lappy: but their new homepage is so pretty, i figured it was surely the melange role model |
| 15:55.01 | gevaerts | SRabbelier|Lappy: yes, but they're on your side! We can't just add in our own scoring system :) |
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| 15:56.32 | SRabbelier|Lappy | gevaerts: submit a patch :) |
| 15:56.43 | SRabbelier|Lappy | gevaerts: make it configurable which scoring system to use, and we will accept it |
| 15:57.01 | SRabbelier|Lappy | gevaerts: even that crazy debian system that was using some mathy voting system |
| 15:57.02 | gevaerts | starts learning python |
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| 15:57.11 | SRabbelier|Lappy | gevaerts: if they'd just submitted that as a patch to melange... :P |
| 15:57.49 | PassingBy | !manual |
| 15:57.58 | gevaerts | SRabbelier|Lappy: I actually think their system makes sense :) |
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| 16:01.27 | SRabbelier|Lappy | gevaerts: right, which is why it'd be awesome if they'd just added it to Melange instead ;) |
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| 16:11.06 | Prasoon | hello anyone... |
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| 16:11.34 | PassingBy | i shall rephrase my earlier question |
| 16:11.42 | Prasoon | is there anyone to help me in selection of my project.... |
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| 16:12.00 | PassingBy | can i do stuff after the deadline(patches,etc) to strengthen the case for my proposal |
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| 16:12.30 | efes | What's the value of tax of GSoC in US? |
| 16:12.39 | thebolt | PassingBy: basically, count on that what you give by the edeadline is what will be judged.. |
| 16:12.45 | thebolt | hey lh |
| 16:12.55 | lh | thebolt: hello! |
| 16:13.00 | efes | lh: hiii :) |
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| 16:13.14 | lh | efes: greetings |
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| 16:13.32 | efes | lh: back to Google? :) |
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| 16:13.40 | Prasoon | thebolt: Hello... |
| 16:13.50 | lh | efes: no. at osuosl now |
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| 16:14.04 | efes | aah |
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| 16:14.17 | PassingBy | thebolt: ok it can't get anymore clearer than that.ty |
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| 16:14.53 | vikash | I am applying for an idea in empathy, so I wanted to know -> will it come under gnome? |
| 16:14.53 | beng-nl | hey lh :) |
| 16:15.16 | lh | beng-nl: mr. gras, you changed your irc handle. |
| 16:15.20 | lh | and hello! |
| 16:15.25 | beng-nl | lh: and hello :-) |
| 16:15.29 | beng-nl | lh: your memory always impresses me |
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| 16:15.37 | beng-nl | lh: hope all is well |
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| 16:15.56 | lh | beng-nl: it will be better once i go get a decent cup of coffee. i tried to be good and have what's in the break room but :( |
| 16:16.04 | lh | beng-nl: life is absolutely wonderful. you? |
| 16:16.16 | lh | Prasoon: greetings |
| 16:16.28 | beng-nl | good too! happy to be part of gsoc again :) |
| 16:16.29 | vikash | ? |
| 16:16.33 | Prasoon | lh: hey , i am a engg student |
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| 16:16.41 | lh | beng-nl: :) |
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| 16:16.50 | lh | Prasoon: good for you. |
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| 16:16.57 | Prasoon | lh: can you help me in selecting a good project for gsoc |
| 16:17.05 | efes | :o |
| 16:17.12 | lh | Prasoon: that's really up to you and what interests you most. |
| 16:17.38 | efes | Does anybody know what's the value of GSoC's tax in US ? |
| 16:17.56 | Prasoon | lh: my intrest is in java , and dataBases |
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| 16:18.20 | efes | Prasoon: We don't know you good enough to make this decision for you |
| 16:18.21 | |Kev| | efes: You should talk to an accountant about that. |
| 16:18.24 | lh | Prasoon: there are many orgs working on that, you can check the list of mentoring orgs and filter by tag like "java" or :database" |
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| 16:20.11 | efes | |Kev|: I am not in US, so I was curious how much do you (in US) pay. Only curiosity. |
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| 16:22.16 | vikash | I am applying for an idea in empathy, so I wanted to know -> will it come under gnome? |
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| 16:25.10 | mlankhorst | noon |
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| 16:25.20 | |Kev| | 'lo |
| 16:26.46 | Triskelios | vikash: most likely. GNOME and KDE are willing to cover parts of freedesktop.org as well |
| 16:27.51 | vikash | ok!!! So I will apply to whom? as far as I feel it should be gnome |
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| 16:28.37 | Nightrose | vikash: yes please |
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| 16:29.14 | vikash | thanks .. Nightrose and by any chance you know the number if intakes for gnome |
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| 16:29.25 | Nightrose | i don't - sorry |
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| 16:50.25 | Talad | we have 3 proposals submitted by the same student, which look identical apart from small updates |
| 16:50.36 | Talad | we have 2 others from another student which look also nearly identical |
| 16:50.46 | Talad | asking to the students they said they clicked on "Update" |
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| 16:50.51 | Talad | one is reporting: "I've been hitting the update button not creating new ones. I timed out several times while updating though, maybe that is related. " |
| 16:51.11 | thebolt | !bugs |
| 16:51.12 | socinfo | thebolt: "bugs" is http://tinyurl.com/new-issue |
| 16:51.28 | felipevieira | !next |
| 16:51.28 | thebolt | Talad: ^^ |
| 16:51.29 | socinfo | felipevieira: "next" is April 8: 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. The overall timeline is at http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
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| 16:51.35 | Talad | I asked them to withdraw the duplicate, they say they withdraw the proposal, but the proposal is still there |
| 16:51.47 | Talad | anyone here successfully deleted/removed a proposal? |
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| 16:57.14 | Talad | http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=1183 |
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| 17:20.10 | Pylo | I was wondering how to sign up for gsoc as a student |
| 17:20.17 | Pylo | what is Link id? |
| 17:20.27 | dis | !linkid |
| 17:20.28 | dhaun | !linkid |
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| 17:20.28 | socinfo | dis: "linkid" is like a username. See http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/userguide#depth_sitewideprofile |
| 17:20.29 | socinfo | dhaun: "linkid" is like a username. See http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/userguide#depth_sitewideprofile |
| 17:20.50 | Pylo | Thanks |
| 17:21.08 | gevaerts | awards the medal to dis |
| 17:21.35 | dhaun | it was close :) |
| 17:22.07 | roflman73 | !linkid |
| 17:22.09 | socinfo | roflman73: "linkid" is like a username. See http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/userguide#depth_sitewideprofile |
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| 17:42.14 | |Kev| | Probably not. |
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| 17:42.34 | |Kev| | There are circumstances in which they will be told about them, though (if you're a potential conflict) |
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| 17:49.35 | thebolt | hi carols |
| 17:49.44 | carols | hey thebolt |
| 17:50.44 | thebolt | how's things in california? |
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| 17:51.17 | marcosroriz | Hi carols, I was wondering if I can negotiate with the org to work less hours (that is 20) rather than 40. Is that ok, or it actually needs to be 40? because, I'm in brazil and currently we are having classes and assigments |
| 17:51.48 | Nightrose | carols: "you're not annoying me" <- best compliment ever :P |
| 17:51.53 | carols | thebolt: great. just finished my keynote for camp kde. how are you? |
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| 17:52.29 | tcoppi | /w 2 |
| 17:52.34 | carols | marcosroriz: you'll need to speak to the org. if you can get the project done to the specs in less than 40 hours/week that's between you and the org. |
| 17:52.37 | thebolt | carols: sitting in the airport, its almost two o'clock (am), soon gonna sleep a while stting in a chair and four hours to checkin |
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| 17:52.44 | carols | Nightrose: i <3 KDE ;-) |
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| 17:53.04 | carols | thebolt: wow, sounds like a tiring day |
| 17:53.06 | skywalkerr | how can i look for the mentors over here? |
| 17:53.06 | Nightrose | ;-) so i guess you're enjoying camp |
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| 17:53.27 | thebolt | carols: but sounds nice with the key note |
| 17:53.47 | carols | thebolt: yeah, i liked the topic so i was happy to deliver it :-) |
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| 17:54.11 | thebolt | carols: nothing compared to what thursday will be.. after this night, then 20 hours of flying, crashing six hours on a friends couch and then a 8-17 work-day with our student group that works for us (but whom i never met, so far ;) |
| 17:54.26 | thebolt | what was the topic? |
| 17:55.00 | carols | thebolt: KDE and education; i got to talk about my favorite topic which is how we can get more OSS in our educational system |
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| 17:55.17 | gevaerts | With keys and notes, it must have been about music :) |
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| 17:55.31 | |Kev| | One of my favourite things :) |
| 17:55.41 | thebolt | carols: nice :) |
| 17:56.00 | |Kev| | Giving a keynote must be quite fun. |
| 17:56.20 | carols | |Kev|: i had a great time writing it and talking to the attendees at the end for sure |
| 17:56.21 | thebolt | sometimes i think it would also be good to think about the reverse.. getting some education into open source people (and educated people into open source):P |
| 17:56.42 | |Kev| | u saying were fik? |
| 17:57.25 | thebolt | like some social skills, if we want to look back at some discussion earlier (and the mailinglist).. and some basic maths maybe (also refering to earlier discussion ;) |
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| 17:58.04 | thebolt | of course, nobody in particular mentioned. .and nobody forgotten :P |
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| 18:01.04 | gevaerts | thebolt: are you *sure* it was earlier and not later? :) |
| 18:01.08 | gevaerts | runs |
| 18:01.18 | binary_crayon | Hello group. Nice to be here! I am a student and just registered sumer of code. I was browsing the list of projects. Just come up to say hi! |
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| 18:02.08 | gevaerts | Welcome! |
| 18:02.17 | thebolt | yes, and now i am gonna try to get some sleep for a little while, putting aside my laptop |
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| 18:03.25 | binary_crayon | thanks gevaerts. It's my first time applying for the event. I am wondering if the required work hours is default at 40 per week or is flexible within organizations? |
| 18:04.17 | gevaerts | That depends on the reason I'd say |
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| 18:04.19 | gevaerts | !exams |
| 18:04.20 | socinfo | gevaerts: "exams" is If your exams overlap the gsoc coding period, you can still apply. Make sure you mention the issue in your application, and discuss it with the organisation. A common workaround is to start work early, during the community bonding period, and to do a bit more than the normal 40 hours per week after the exams. |
| 18:04.23 | carols | binary_crayon: hi :-) |
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| 18:04.56 | binary_crayon | carols: nice to meet you! |
| 18:05.06 | carols | binary_crayon: nice to meet you as well :-) |
| 18:05.33 | binary_crayon | socinfo: that's helpful information, thanks! |
| 18:05.40 | gevaerts | binary_crayon: in general, if you can't do 40 hours because you have another job, organisations aren't going to like it. If you can't do 40 hours because you happen to live in a part of the world that has a non-US university schedule, organisations tend to be willing to help work around it |
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| 18:06.04 | AlexP | binary_crayon: We (our org) tend to be rather forgiving if it is due to university schedules (many countries don't fit the US scheme) and try to fit people is as best we can. If it is because they want to have another job or similar, much less so |
| 18:06.26 | AlexP | gevaerts: jinx! |
| 18:06.43 | binary_crayon | gevaerts: I see, thanks a lot for your info! |
| 18:06.51 | binary_crayon | AlexP: thanks a bunch! |
| 18:06.58 | gevaerts | AlexP: you'll have to live with being slow! :) |
| 18:07.05 | AlexP | I'm used to it |
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| 18:08.48 | binary_crayon | I won't have much trouble in scheduling. Are mentors and students generally work quite closely through the summer? It would be great if someone can describe briefly on what's it like, thanks |
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| 18:09.50 | AlexP | depends very much on the org I think |
| 18:10.06 | AlexP | You probably want to pick which interest you, then discuss with them directly |
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| 18:10.24 | dberkholz | binary_crayon: have you seen the student guide yet? http://www.booki.cc/gsocstudentguide/ |
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| 18:10.46 | dberkholz | there's lots of info in there for you |
| 18:10.47 | marcosroriz | why everyone looks at me different because I like cute/puppy dogs |
| 18:10.48 | marcosroriz | -_- |
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| 18:11.27 | binary_crayon | dberkholz: not yet, I will go read it now. Thanks for the pointer! |
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| 18:13.24 | Nightrose | madrazr: can you tell me if http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=1119 (adding custom message to rejection emails) is on the schedule for before the day rejection emails are sent out? else i will have to start finding other ways i think |
| 18:13.44 | dberkholz | adds a star to that one |
| 18:13.50 | madrazr | Nightrose: taking a look |
| 18:13.54 | Nightrose | thx |
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| 18:14.57 | madrazr | Nightrose: it is not on the schedule as of now AFAIK (unless SRabbelier has some plans since he is taking care of all the notifications related features) |
| 18:15.03 | madrazr | Nightrose: but I think it is a good idea |
| 18:15.12 | Nightrose | madrazr: ok thx |
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| 18:15.27 | SRabbelier | mh? |
| 18:15.29 | SRabbelier | what hwat? |
| 18:15.30 | madrazr | Nightrose: we will try to implement it, if possible. I understand the need for it, at least for KDE |
| 18:15.38 | madrazr | SRabbelier: issue 1119 |
| 18:15.47 | dberkholz | she's right about the relevance to other orgs, too |
| 18:16.02 | dberkholz | we'd love to use that as an opportunity to recruit students who we didn't have slots for |
| 18:16.03 | madrazr | SRabbelier: can we have a issue number to URL bot here? ;-) |
| 18:16.04 | SRabbelier | madrazr: we can easily do that |
| 18:16.05 | Nightrose | madrazr: ok - appreciate it |
| 18:16.10 | SRabbelier | kai: ^ |
| 18:16.30 | madrazr | SRabbelier: cool! |
| 18:16.35 | madrazr | kai: Hi |
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| 18:18.56 | Nightrose | SRabbelier: thx :) |
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| 18:19.46 | idank | if I have a wiki page describing my proposal ready in the organization site that I'm applying to, is it possible to link to it in the application, without filling the "Content" part? |
| 18:20.23 | |Kev| | idank: You shouldn't expect mentors to bother to read content you link to outside the application. |
| 18:20.39 | Nightrose | idank: you need to have the major part in melange as you could change it after the deadline else |
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| 18:22.16 | idank | ok, then seems to have been a waste preparing a wiki page |
| 18:22.27 | idank | should have wrote it down in melange in the first place |
| 18:22.31 | Nightrose | should be easy enough to copy no? |
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| 18:22.48 | idank | yeah, I'll have to get rid of all the formatting though |
| 18:22.57 | idank | which took precious time :( |
| 18:23.07 | dberkholz | if you have a decent browser, it should be able to mostly copy the formatting too |
| 18:23.17 | gevaerts | Well, having to review dozens of proposals that are all on different wikis isn't fun |
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| 18:23.52 | idank | gevaerts: the mentor is part of the organization, he should be familiar with the wiki |
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| 18:24.53 | gevaerts | idank: actually, let me give you a different answer :) "Talk to the organisation" |
| 18:24.54 | mailson | do you guys recommend applying to more than one project? i know we can do that, but it's something i should avoid? |
| 18:25.13 | gevaerts | We can really only discuss general rules here |
| 18:25.38 | idank | gevaerts: and if they're ok with that? I wanted to make sure it's fine with the applying procedure |
| 18:26.05 | abdulkarim | Hi @all |
| 18:26.06 | gevaerts | mailson: I don't see a serious reason to avoid it, as long as you don't overdo it. The general consensus seems to be that two or three proposals is about the maximum one can do while keeping the quality high |
| 18:26.13 | gevaerts | idank: if they're ok with it, it's fine |
| 18:26.27 | abdulkarim | I have proposed a project idea in KDE(for GSOC) but haven't got any response.. and the date is approaching what shuld i do? |
| 18:26.30 | Ophiuchi | mailson: apply to projects (and for projects) that apply to you. If you have more than one interest, why not spread your chances? |
| 18:26.36 | idank | gevaerts: cool, thanks |
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| 18:26.50 | Nightrose | abdulkarim: come to #kde-soc |
| 18:27.00 | abdulkarim | Nightrose: OK |
| 18:27.06 | abdulkarim | Nightrose: Thanks |
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| 18:30.01 | mailson | thanks gevaerts |
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| 18:37.40 | carols | is very happy about the chocolate she got today at camp kde |
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| 18:37.47 | carols | munches chocolate |
| 18:37.58 | Nightrose | ah damn... |
| 18:37.58 | achshar | hello |
| 18:38.04 | Nightrose | i knew i should have gone to camp, carols |
| 18:38.05 | Nightrose | :D |
| 18:38.22 | carols | Nightrose: you should have! it would have been good to see you :-) |
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| 18:38.27 | carols | achshar: hello |
| 18:38.27 | achshar | i took part in google code in this year.. i want to knwo what is the key diffrnece in code in and gsoc? |
| 18:38.46 | carols | achshar: gsoc is for university students and its a summer internship equivalent |
| 18:39.15 | Nightrose | carols: yeah :/ would have loved to really but i've asked for enough money from kde eV already this year for my trip to india and i'm in the last month of my thesis - not a perfect combination |
| 18:39.16 | achshar | oh the problem is i just finised my hishschool and havent yet got admission anywhere.. am i eligible? |
| 18:39.34 | gevaerts | !eligible |
| 18:39.35 | socinfo | gevaerts: "eligible" is Follow this handy flowchart to see if you are eligible http://goo.gl/kvCSv (text version at http://goo.gl/ImfNT) |
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| 18:40.00 | achshar | cool! |
| 18:40.04 | carols | Nightrose: yeah, i understand. :-/ we still missed you :-) |
| 18:40.22 | Nightrose | next time :) |
| 18:40.48 | achshar | damn i am uneligible by 1 month.. grrr |
| 18:40.50 | carols | Nightrose: yes. and maybe some other conferences in the intervening time :-) |
| 18:41.08 | Nightrose | hopefully |
| 18:41.15 | achshar | oh make that 3 :( |
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| 18:41.34 | Nightrose | achshar: :/ that sucks - but you can still work with a project |
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| 18:41.43 | Nightrose | most are more than happy to get help |
| 18:42.08 | thiago | carols: is that the chocolate I gave to claudia? |
| 18:42.16 | achshar | sure.. i was about to go back to one of my google code in projects.. :) |
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| 18:42.30 | carols | thiago: seeing as claudia gave it to me i assume so :-) |
| 18:43.12 | dberkholz | achshar: what's making you ineligible? |
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| 18:43.34 | achshar | birthdate.. i was born on 8 jan 1993 |
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| 18:43.57 | dberkholz | achshar: that would be before apr 25, 1993 |
| 18:44.12 | achshar | wait a sec.. |
| 18:44.19 | achshar | holly cow.. YES! |
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| 18:44.48 | achshar | damn i have never been good wiith dates |
| 18:44.53 | dberkholz | i'm surprised at how many people mis-read the requirements and think they don't qualify |
| 18:44.57 | dberkholz | it's really common |
| 18:44.58 | |Kev| | 19:39 < achshar> oh the problem is i just finised my hishschool and havent yet got admission anywhere.. am i eligible? |
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| 18:45.11 | |Kev| | dberkholz: That sounds inelligible to me? |
| 18:45.15 | achshar | ya i was about to gett thee.. |
| 18:45.26 | dberkholz | he'd better find himself a college admissions letter in a hurry, then |
| 18:45.36 | achshar | the thing is i may get admission in a week or so |
| 18:45.59 | achshar | yes exactly.. if i get a leetr before april 25 then? |
| 18:46.08 | |Kev| | Before the 8th. |
| 18:46.16 | |Kev| | Or, rather. |
| 18:46.21 | achshar | 8th april? |
| 18:46.25 | dberkholz | no, you don't need the letter till you're actually accepted |
| 18:46.30 | |Kev| | You don't need the letter until later, but the applications have to be in by the 8th. |
| 18:46.36 | dberkholz | you can apply on the presumption that you will get a letter later |
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| 18:46.58 | achshar | but what do i fill in the application form? |
| 18:47.08 | achshar | in the institution field? |
| 18:47.28 | |Kev| | I would just wait until next year, and hope that GSoC'12 happens, personally. |
| 18:47.32 | dberkholz | Pending, perhaps |
| 18:47.38 | dberkholz | if you're actually pretty confident you'll get one |
| 18:47.38 | gevaerts | If you do, make *sure* to let the org know what you're doing |
| 18:47.47 | |Kev| | Unless you're confident you'll have the stuff in place before it's due. |
| 18:47.56 | |Kev| | Otherwise you're risking wasting a lot of people's time. |
| 18:48.11 | dberkholz | i'd probably walk on over to my local community college and sign up for a class |
| 18:48.14 | achshar | hmm maybe you are right.. i dont take my gaurantee |
| 18:48.20 | gevaerts | I'd say you need the paperwork on the 15th or so at the latest |
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| 18:48.53 | dberkholz | i'd say you should check the date in the documentation instead of listening to whatever people make up =P |
| 18:49.19 | gevaerts | dberkholz: I'm just being practical here :) |
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| 18:49.34 | achshar | 8th april is the last date to submit student application right? |
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| 18:49.41 | |Kev| | !next |
| 18:49.43 | socinfo | |Kev|: "next" is April 8: 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. The overall timeline is at http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
| 18:49.45 | |Kev| | ^ |
| 18:49.50 | gevaerts | Oh, and check up on UTC :) |
| 18:50.10 | gevaerts | It's a popular thing to get wrong apparently |
| 18:50.12 | achshar | two days for me. thats almost impossible :((((((( |
| 18:50.43 | dberkholz | 72 hours, plenty of time |
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| 18:51.01 | achshar | 48.. :( |
| 18:51.11 | dberkholz | Tue Apr 5 18:51:08 UTC 2011 |
| 18:51.15 | thiago | carols: I can get you more Norwegian chocolate if you want |
| 18:51.17 | dis | 72 ;) |
| 18:51.25 | achshar | plus my highscool result is still pending.. |
| 18:51.29 | carols | thiago: oooh more chocolate :-) |
| 18:51.30 | carols | yum |
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| 18:51.48 | achshar | i wont get any admission untill i have my highschool result.. |
| 18:51.51 | dberkholz | achshar: if you're looking for reasons to give up, i'm not going to stop you. i'm telling you how you could get in, if you want to. |
| 18:51.55 | thiago | carols: I brought a lot from Norway, but most of it is already reserved for some other people |
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| 18:52.35 | achshar | dberkholz: ohkzz damn i can try to.. atleast :D |
| 18:52.57 | carols | thiago: aw, well maybe you can bring some to the mentor summit :-) |
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| 18:53.18 | carols | achshar: just contact the organization and see what they'd like to do. if nothing else, maybe you just volunteer with them this year |
| 18:54.25 | achshar | @carols: i was thinking about a wordpress or drupal chrome/firefox extension.. will contact them for sure.. wp has a irc session tom :) |
| 18:54.58 | carols | achshar: great. may the force be with you :-) |
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| 18:55.06 | achshar | :D |
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| 18:55.23 | achshar | thanks everybody.. cya |
| 18:55.36 | carols | sends off achshar with some chocolate |
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| 18:55.50 | achshar | yummm.. |
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| 18:59.13 | carols | serves tea, cookies and coffee |
| 18:59.24 | gevaerts | Yay! |
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| 18:59.29 | carols | thanks everyone for answering gsoc questions :-) |
| 18:59.32 | gevaerts | gets tea and cookies :) |
| 18:59.36 | carols | i couldn't so this without you all |
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| 18:59.41 | carols | *do |
| 18:59.42 | gevaerts | Thanks for organising gsoc :) |
| 18:59.55 | carols | gevaerts: it is my pleasure :-) |
| 18:59.59 | Ophiuchi | takes some tea and shares mandarins |
| 19:00.08 | carols | mmm mandarins |
| 19:00.11 | lh | hands carol a delicious mint tea and fluffs up a pillow for her to be comfortable on the free couch |
| 19:00.18 | marcg | does a proposal get flagged as new/unread/something if an edit has been made? |
| 19:00.18 | carols | munches some mandarins on the open source couch |
| 19:00.21 | carols | thanks lh :-) |
| 19:00.27 | marcg | or should I leave a comment saying I updated it |
| 19:00.34 | carols | marcg: SRabbelier would know |
| 19:00.41 | lh | carols: you are most welcome. i am looking forward to lunch on thursday! |
| 19:00.45 | carols | hugs lh |
| 19:00.46 | carols | me too! |
| 19:01.00 | sonney2k | also needs some hugts |
| 19:01.01 | lh | returns hug |
| 19:01.03 | lh | ah, the annual gsoc love abounds |
| 19:01.08 | Nightrose | marcg: atm it doesn't |
| 19:01.12 | AlexP | I look forward to lunch everyday |
| 19:01.15 | Nightrose | best tell your org if it is a major change |
| 19:01.18 | AlexP | But therein lies my problem :) |
| 19:01.20 | marcg | Nightrose, ok, thanks |
| 19:01.21 | gevaerts | hopes that lh and carols will have lunch before thursday :) |
| 19:01.33 | gevaerts | AlexP: you win this time! |
| 19:01.38 | AlexP | gevaerts: 1:1 :) |
| 19:01.44 | carols | gevaerts: i just remembered i haven't had breakfast because i was getting ready for this talk. i am *definitely* having lunch :-) |
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| 19:02.50 | Prasoon | lh: hey i have select a Dokuwiki project.. But i am not able to connect to its mentor. Can you help me in that case? |
| 19:03.24 | SRabbelier | carols: I deny everything |
| 19:03.50 | carols | SRabbelier: good policy. |
| 19:03.59 | gevaerts | SRabbelier: are you a decent person? |
| 19:04.16 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: I deny having ever made comments confirming or denying such@! |
| 19:04.27 | AlexP | are you SRabbelier? |
| 19:04.28 | marcg | SRabbelier, why are the dates that comments are posted clickable? |
| 19:04.40 | AlexP | remembers this in Blackadder |
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| 19:04.48 | SRabbelier | marcg: so you can link to them directly |
| 19:04.52 | SRabbelier | AlexP: what was his reply? :P |
| 19:05.01 | Ophiuchi | gevaerts: who does not aim to occasionally, but ever actually admit to, being an indecent person? :-P |
| 19:05.03 | marcg | SRabbelier, what if they were posted at the same time?! |
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| 19:05.15 | AlexP | SRabbelier: He denied it :) |
| 19:05.18 | marcg | I guess they have different id's |
| 19:05.22 | lh | Prasoon: there is contact info on their ideas page likely or try their irc channel |
| 19:05.31 | SRabbelier | marcg: the link doesn't use the time |
| 19:05.36 | SRabbelier | marcg: but the unique comment id |
| 19:05.38 | gevaerts | Ophiuchi: I'll let SRabbelier answer that :) |
| 19:05.47 | marcg | SRabbelier, roger that, thanks for the information. |
| 19:05.54 | SRabbelier | np |
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| 19:13.36 | Uli- | SRabbelier: you want me to give input on the scoring thing to daniel? |
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| 19:14.16 | Uli- | SRabbelier: i.e. from our point of view? |
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| 19:17.30 | carols | Uli-: i'll let SRabbelier comment if needed, but i think he and daniel are resolving off-list |
| 19:18.44 | Uli- | ok. |
| 19:20.01 | thiago | carols: I haven't been to the mentor summit in two years though |
| 19:20.32 | carols | thiago: well then you've been missing the chocolate :-) |
| 19:20.37 | thiago | yeah |
| 19:20.55 | thiago | last was 2008 and I remember the orange juice was nice |
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| 19:24.01 | carols | thiago: yes, the orange juice is good. so is the bacon :-) |
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| 19:24.38 | Uli- | hmmm.... bacon.... |
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| 19:26.02 | thiago | maybe I'll come this year |
| 19:26.07 | SRabbelier | thiago: you should |
| 19:26.12 | SRabbelier | thiago: there will be chocolate |
| 19:26.23 | thiago | next year I'll submit Qt again as an org |
| 19:26.29 | thiago | I did last year, but not this year |
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| 19:26.57 | ady1689 | hello |
| 19:27.08 | ady1689 | somone from wordpress here? |
| 19:27.23 | thiago | in 2008, it was very easy for me to join since we had a conference in the bay area the next days. So the company paid for my trip. |
| 19:27.32 | thiago | that's how we had 6 KDE mentors that year |
| 19:28.53 | ady1689 | cls |
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| 19:29.50 | ady1689 | somone from wordpress here? |
| 19:29.56 | gevaerts | !anyone |
| 19:29.57 | socinfo | gevaerts: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. Try searching for the org's contact info or even just try a /join #<mentoring org here> |
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| 19:30.19 | ady1689 | okay, 10x |
| 19:30.36 | SRabbelier | thiago: you guys should do that again ;) |
| 19:30.48 | thiago | SRabbelier: we have to get the dates to line up again |
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| 19:31.20 | idank | so, how do I resize the writing area in this situation? :) http://i.imgur.com/QLUkI.png |
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| 19:31.39 | SRabbelier | idank: clear your browsers cache |
| 19:31.44 | thiago | in 2009 and 2010 we were off by a week |
| 19:31.49 | SRabbelier | idank: several users have reported that to work |
| 19:31.54 | SRabbelier | thiago: fix it! |
| 19:32.02 | idank | SRabbelier: seriously? :) my precious cache |
| 19:33.07 | SRabbelier | idank: srsly |
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| 19:33.42 | LetterRip | i think that calls for a serious cat |
| 19:33.43 | thiago | but tbh, I need to be back into GSoC first. Nightrose has been the admin the past two years. |
| 19:34.26 | SRabbelier | thiago: slacker |
| 19:34.33 | SRabbelier | LetterRip: a serious cat, or serious cat? |
| 19:35.10 | SRabbelier | LetterRip: cos the latter, I got plenty of: http://www.punjabigraphics.com/images/2/serious-cat-is-serious.jpg |
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| 19:35.35 | SRabbelier | LetterRip: http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1270/533267369_21815683be.jpg |
| 19:35.38 | LetterRip | heh |
| 19:35.38 | SRabbelier | LetterRip: I can go on |
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| 19:35.44 | LetterRip | i think that is enough |
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| 19:35.49 | nipun | hey all |
| 19:35.52 | LetterRip | don't want too much of a good thing :) |
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| 19:35.57 | nipun | i m facing some problems |
| 19:36.03 | carols | hi nipun |
| 19:36.06 | nipun | in registering myself |
| 19:36.11 | nipun | hey carol |
| 19:36.31 | carols | nipun: go ahead, we'll try to help. |
| 19:36.38 | nipun | i am facing a problem in registering myself for gsoc |
| 19:36.47 | nipun | i am giving a link id |
| 19:36.58 | nipun | and its giving an error |
| 19:37.11 | nipun | This link id is wrong |
| 19:37.25 | nipun | what shall i do |
| 19:37.31 | carols | nipun: SRabbelier can help |
| 19:37.47 | SRabbelier | carols: I still deny everything |
| 19:38.23 | carols | SRabbelier: could you help nipun please? you can still deny everything if you like |
| 19:38.33 | nipun | i think that there must not be a problem if i register now |
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| 19:38.51 | SRabbelier | carols: hmmmm, I'll see what I can do |
| 19:39.08 | SRabbelier | nipun: can you send a screenshot of the problem? |
| 19:39.09 | SRabbelier | !screenshot |
| 19:39.11 | socinfo | SRabbelier: "screenshot" is Please provide a screenshot illustrating your problem, we recommend http://www.awesomescreenshot.com for easy screenshotting. |
| 19:40.39 | nipun | i am using firefox |
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| 19:41.16 | SRabbelier | nipun: ctlr+printscreen for you then |
| 19:41.27 | Sabriel | hello, I have a question regarding GSoC |
| 19:41.31 | Sabriel | in terms of eligibility |
| 19:41.40 | SRabbelier | !gsocable |
| 19:41.41 | socinfo | SRabbelier: "gsocable" is Follow this handy flowchart to see if you are eligible http://goo.gl/kvCSv (text version at http://goo.gl/ImfNT) |
| 19:41.55 | carols | Sabriel: ^ |
| 19:42.07 | Sabriel | well, I was reading the FAQ |
| 19:42.27 | SRabbelier | Sabriel: it's a flow chart, don't you like it? :( |
| 19:42.38 | Sabriel | hold on |
| 19:42.43 | Sabriel | let me see if my question gets answered |
| 19:42.50 | Sabriel | I have a feeling it won't, but let me double-check |
| 19:43.00 | SRabbelier | Sabriel: you do that |
| 19:43.07 | SRabbelier | Sabriel: we're not going anywhere fast |
| 19:43.27 | Sabriel | ok |
| 19:43.28 | Sabriel | well |
| 19:43.33 | Sabriel | it doesn't answer my question |
| 19:43.38 | SRabbelier | Sabriel: then ask away ^^ |
| 19:43.44 | Sabriel | so, I'm set to receive my BSc from a US institution in May |
| 19:43.58 | Sabriel | however, I've been accepted to a graduate program at a Canadian institution |
| 19:44.07 | Sabriel | to begin attending in August |
| 19:44.29 | Sabriel | so sometime in the summer (june, or july) I will be changing addresses |
| 19:44.47 | Sabriel | I am authorized to work in canada (canadian citizen) but not in the US |
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| 19:45.05 | Sabriel | and as fair as I know, my ties with this university will be severed in May as soon as I receive my degree |
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| 19:45.19 | nipun | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:45.25 | SRabbelier | nipun: excellent! |
| 19:45.36 | LetterRip | Sabriel: sounds like you would still qualify to my naive view :) |
| 19:45.48 | dberkholz | that kinda depends on when exactly you move |
| 19:45.48 | Sabriel | okay great! |
| 19:45.53 | Sabriel | ah |
| 19:45.58 | Sabriel | I already have my acceptance letter |
| 19:46.04 | Sabriel | and have accepted the offer of admission already |
| 19:46.06 | SRabbelier | Sabriel: you need to be eligible to work during all of GSoC |
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| 19:46.09 | dberkholz | you need to be in canada while you're coding, basically, from how it sounds |
| 19:46.17 | Sabriel | hm |
| 19:46.24 | nipun | SRabbelier : Can you please help? |
| 19:46.33 | SRabbelier | nipun: ah, sorry, I misread |
| 19:46.37 | dberkholz | which means roughly may 23, although you might be able to slip that a little bit |
| 19:46.50 | Sabriel | what if I have a valid Canadian address? |
| 19:46.53 | SRabbelier | nipun: then, can you provide a screenshot? you can use any of the many online image hosting services to host it |
| 19:47.08 | SRabbelier | Sabriel: I don't think that's relevant to eligibility though? |
| 19:47.10 | nipun | SRbbelier : ok |
| 19:47.11 | carols | Sabriel: you need to be eligible to work in the country you are living in for the entirety of the program. that's from may 23 - august 29. will that be the case, regardless of the country you move or currently live in? |
| 19:47.12 | dberkholz | when you write code for gsoc, you are legally working and need work authorization for wherever you are |
| 19:47.13 | LetterRip | Sabriel: it seems to me you would be working in canada but travelling |
| 19:47.29 | Sabriel | yeah |
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| 19:47.32 | Sabriel | essentially |
| 19:47.43 | dberkholz | maybe you should get advice from a professional |
| 19:47.53 | SRabbelier | Sabriel: What I did when I was a student in GSoC2008 and I was in another country temporarily was not work during that time |
| 19:47.55 | LetterRip | hrmm sounds like i'm wrong since carol is the voice of god :) |
| 19:48.04 | Sabriel | okay |
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| 19:48.15 | SRabbelier | Sabriel: you should communicate that with your organization though |
| 19:48.22 | carols | yes, what SRabbelier said |
| 19:48.23 | Sabriel | okay |
| 19:48.48 | carols | Sabriel: also, even though i am god i am not a lawyer. so you should ask an employment professional for your particular case. |
| 19:48.56 | Sabriel | okay |
| 19:49.33 | dberkholz | Sabriel: your college's career center might have some answers, or know who to refer you to |
| 19:49.57 | Sabriel | okay |
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| 19:50.08 | Sabriel | I'll take note of that then |
| 19:50.17 | dberkholz | either them or possibly some kind of international student office |
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| 19:51.35 | Sabriel | ok |
| 19:51.42 | pLr__ | yay summer! |
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| 19:52.51 | SRabbelier | pLr__: summer is a state of mind? 0.O |
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| 19:53.11 | zupo | SRabbelier: is it possible to view all public proposals for a certain organization? |
| 19:53.26 | camilasan | Nightrose: hi, can I apply my proposal on the gsoc site and change that untill friday? |
| 19:53.33 | SRabbelier | zupo: no, we want to offer the students some privacy |
| 19:53.41 | Nightrose | camilasan: yes |
| 19:53.41 | zupo | ok |
| 19:53.51 | camilasan | Nightrose: thanks =) |
| 19:53.54 | efes | Nightrose: hi :) |
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| 19:54.11 | Nightrose | hey efes |
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| 19:56.28 | LetterRip | carols any google gmail or chrome folk lurk aroud here ? I have wishlists - openoffice (odt) document support for their in gmail/chrome doc viewer; translation support for in gmail/chrome pdfs; and bug report that the right click translation isn't working |
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| 19:56.37 | LetterRip | or idea where i can send the requests |
| 19:56.55 | koda | hi |
| 19:58.09 | SRabbelier | LetterRip: tsk tsk |
| 19:58.10 | SRabbelier | !gsoc |
| 19:58.12 | efes | koda: hiddenpearls |
| 19:58.12 | socinfo | SRabbelier: "gsoc" is Google Summer of Code, not Generic Savoir-faire on Open-source Conundrums |
| 19:58.13 | SRabbelier | LetterRip: ^ |
| 19:58.19 | efes | koda: hi :) |
| 19:58.46 | dberkholz | that's a real stretch on an acronym. |
| 19:59.07 | LetterRip | socinfo - hmm doesn't seem relevant :) |
| 19:59.50 | efes | Nightrose: Do you know if annma is mentor this year ? |
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| 20:00.16 | Nightrose | efes: probably not full mentor- maybe back-up |
| 20:00.31 | efes | Nightrose: Thank you. |
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| 20:01.51 | SRabbelier | LetterRip: it's meant to convey "Don't ask general Open Source questions here" |
| 20:02.01 | SRabbelier | LetterRip: of course, you weren't asking about Open Source, but about Google, same thought applies :P |
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| 20:02.15 | LetterRip | SRabbelier: fair enough |
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| 20:08.23 | nipun | SRabbelier: http://i56.tinypic.com/2ufbolt.png |
| 20:08.32 | nipun | i am sorry for late reply |
| 20:08.55 | gevaerts | !link_id |
| 20:08.56 | socinfo | gevaerts: "link_id" is like a username. See http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/userguide#depth_sitewideprofile |
| 20:09.12 | gevaerts | nipun: have a look at that page |
| 20:13.02 | nipun | gevaerts : Can you simplify it a bit?? |
| 20:13.23 | nipun | Why i am unable to use that link? |
| 20:13.36 | gevaerts | Because a link_id isn't a URL |
| 20:13.58 | nipun | ohh |
| 20:14.10 | nipun | so how can i get a URL of it |
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| 20:15.00 | gevaerts | Did you read the text I linked to? |
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| 20:15.10 | dhaun | SRabbelier: is there already an issue to do something about the link_id confusion? |
| 20:15.20 | SRabbelier | dhaun: there is |
| 20:15.40 | dhaun | goes to star it |
| 20:16.01 | carols | SRabbelier: didnt we already change that to username? |
| 20:16.28 | SRabbelier | carols: maybe we unchanged it in the new UI |
| 20:16.35 | carols | SRabbelier: ah, ok. |
| 20:16.36 | carols | fair enough |
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| 20:19.38 | nipun | gevaerts: i am unable to locate the create profile tab |
| 20:20.36 | dhaun | SRabbelier: sorry, can't find the issue when searching for "link_id" or variants thereof - do you have a pointer? |
| 20:21.32 | dhaun | nipun: the link_id is Melange's way of identifying you - it's sort of a username. So try "nipun" if that's not already taken, for example |
| 20:21.36 | SRabbelier | dhaun: muf |
| 20:21.41 | SRabbelier | mutters |
| 20:21.48 | carols | !logs |
| 20:21.49 | socinfo | carols: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
| 20:22.14 | SRabbelier | dhaun: you need to be more creative when searching you see :P http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=1006 |
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| 20:22.48 | dhaun | didn't think of searching for "user id" :P |
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| 20:24.56 | SRabbelier | dhaun: out of the box! |
| 20:24.58 | SRabbelier | think it! |
| 20:25.11 | SRabbelier | dhaun: updated the issue title, all for you ^^ |
| 20:25.29 | dhaun | well, that issue isn't really what I had in mind - obviously, students are struggling to understand what to do with that field |
| 20:25.46 | dhaun | re-renaming it to username would be a start |
| 20:26.24 | dhaun | that could be a quick fix, and then try to think of a better approach for next year |
| 20:26.29 | |Kev| | dhaun: Uh, I've put kev@geegmail.com in the username, and it's not working. Why not? |
| 20:26.33 | nipun | i am not getting it |
| 20:26.40 | nipun | Create Profile?? |
| 20:26.50 | nipun | or? |
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| 20:28.14 | dhaun | nipun: what do you not understand now? |
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| 20:28.34 | nipun | actually i am not geeting |
| 20:28.57 | nipun | where is the craete profile tab |
| 20:29.11 | nipun | so that i can make a new profile |
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| 20:31.59 | carols | nipun: its called "my profile" once you're logged in |
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| 20:32.45 | dhaun | nipun: did you complete that form yet, the one you sent the screenshot of? |
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| 20:33.12 | nipun | dhaun : no |
| 20:33.23 | dhaun | start with that then :) |
| 20:33.25 | nipun | same problem |
| 20:33.35 | dhaun | what problem? |
| 20:33.45 | nipun | URL |
| 20:34.16 | dhaun | the link id, if you mean that, is not a URL |
| 20:34.25 | nipun | yeah |
| 20:34.32 | dhaun | so? |
| 20:34.35 | nipun | i have to paste a URL there |
| 20:34.43 | dhaun | no, you don't |
| 20:35.07 | dhaun | you enter a name there |
| 20:35.24 | nipun | i have to use alink or a URL?? |
| 20:35.32 | dhaun | neither |
| 20:35.35 | dhaun | try "nipun" |
| 20:37.49 | nipun | nipun?? |
| 20:38.23 | carols | nipun: its your username. dhaun is saying its likely just the name you're already using here in IRC |
| 20:38.24 | dhaun | or some other username / nickname that you prefer |
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| 20:38.58 | nipun | using a name in option of Link ID?? |
| 20:39.07 | dhaun | yes! |
| 20:39.28 | dhaun | SRabbelier: see? it's confusing. this is a student's first contact with Melange - it shouldn't be like that |
| 20:39.39 | SRabbelier | dhaun: I'm changing it to username :) |
| 20:39.53 | SRabbelier | dhaun: I think the language barrier is a problem as well |
| 20:40.17 | dhaun | maybe, but "link id" is just too technical and makes people think of URLs |
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| 20:41.17 | nipun | i have tried it but of no use |
| 20:41.20 | nipun | :( |
| 20:41.28 | dhaun | so what happened? |
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| 20:43.00 | nipun | the same error again |
| 20:43.35 | llnz | nipun: what is the error, paste the text of the error in the channel |
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| 20:44.02 | nipun | This link ID is in wrong format. |
| 20:44.17 | nipun | Link ID is used as part of various URL links throughout the site. ASCII alphanumeric characters, digits, and underscores only. The regexp used to validate is "[a-z](?:[0-9a-z]|_[0-9a-z])*". |
| 20:44.18 | llnz | what did you put in the link ID field? |
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| 20:44.36 | nipun | i put up a link at it |
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| 20:44.45 | nipun | web address |
| 20:45.03 | dhaun | nipun: why? we told you NOT to put a URL in there |
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| 20:45.08 | SRabbelier | nipun: didn't dhaun just tell you not to do that? |
| 20:45.09 | llnz | instead of a web address, try putting just "nipun" |
| 20:46.10 | nipun | i have tried that also |
| 20:46.17 | SRabbelier | nipun: without the quotes |
| 20:46.52 | nipun | yeah |
| 20:47.52 | nipun | can you tell me what do you mean by a link ID |
| 20:49.34 | llnz | nipun: it is used as part of urls which identify you on the melange website, like a username |
| 20:50.21 | nipun | ok,i misunderstood by taking it as a web address |
| 20:50.25 | llnz | so it has to be a letter (a-z) followed by one or more characters a-z, 0-9 (and underscore) |
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| 20:51.48 | nipun | but the nickname is also not working for that field |
| 20:52.12 | dhaun | nipun: but surely you get a different error then? |
| 20:52.15 | |Kev| | !screenshot |
| 20:52.16 | socinfo | |Kev|: "screenshot" is Please provide a screenshot illustrating your problem, we recommend http://www.awesomescreenshot.com for easy screenshotting. |
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| 20:52.21 | dhaun | the name may already be taken |
| 20:52.34 | llnz | maybe someone is already using it, try another one, maybe append 1 |
| 20:52.49 | nipun | naah,its the same error |
| 20:53.02 | nipun | and i have tried 4-5 usernames |
| 20:53.08 | gevaerts | Show us a screenshot again |
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| 20:56.20 | SRabbelier | nipun: trailing space? |
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| 21:00.05 | weed-tea | hi |
| 21:00.14 | weed-tea | i'd like a kde4 wireshark application, would making a qt/kde4 gui be a good proposal? |
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| 21:01.23 | llnz | weed-tea: ask KDE and/or wireshark |
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| 21:02.00 | weed-tea | llnz: ok, but in fact it would then be a new application, not really based on an accepted gsoc application |
| 21:02.29 | llnz | weed-tea: that's fine, the suggested projects are only that - suggestions |
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| 21:03.20 | nipun | Thank you all |
| 21:03.34 | weed-tea | llnz: and for example |
| 21:03.39 | nipun | i restarted my browser |
| 21:03.56 | nipun | and it data was saved successfully |
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| 21:07.56 | zilla_ | hi |
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| 21:08.35 | efes | zilla_: Hi :) |
| 21:08.59 | zilla_ | i'm just wondering how good of a coder you have to be to do gsoc |
| 21:09.02 | zilla_ | :O |
| 21:09.07 | wtachi | !goodenough |
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| 21:09.08 | socinfo | wtachi: "goodenough" is Am I good enough to be a student for GSoC? http://www.booki.cc/gsocstudentguide/_v/1.0/am-i-good-enough/ |
| 21:09.13 | wtachi | zilla_: ^ |
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| 21:11.51 | LetterRip | wtachi - heheh intestingly that is also like 'not goodenough' |
| 21:12.16 | LetterRip | operator overloading for the win! |
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| 21:17.50 | efes | |Kev|: What's the address of site which types into google by me ? |
| 21:18.17 | gevaerts | http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=cache:lmgtfy.com ? |
| 21:18.27 | AlexP | gevaerts: That's quite evil |
| 21:18.38 | efes | gevaerts: Thanks ! :) |
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| 21:19.16 | gevaerts | AlexP: it only consults google, and google will not take part in any evil plot, so it's not evil at all |
| 21:19.26 | AlexP | hmmm |
| 21:19.40 | AlexP | Your arguments are unconvincing :) |
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| 21:29.28 | kblin | meh |
| 21:29.53 | |Kev| | Nightrose: You can use exactly the same scoring scheme as last year, with the new system, and get identical results, I've just realised. PM me if you care :) |
| 21:30.00 | kblin | this forced password change was brought to you by typing your password into IRC... |
| 21:30.14 | Nightrose | kblin: heh always |
| 21:30.28 | kstar | thought that the application deadline was yesterday! |
| 21:30.42 | kstar | And I was really worked up that we had only N applications where N << what was expected. |
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| 21:30.59 | Nightrose | eh |
| 21:31.04 | Nightrose | kblin: tabfail :D |
| 21:31.06 | Nightrose | sorry |
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| 21:33.28 | ajedwards | !timeline |
| 21:33.29 | socinfo | ajedwards: "timeline" is http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
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| 21:35.30 | SRabbelier | kblin: where'd you do that? |
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| 21:36.42 | zupo | So, I'm slowly finishing my GSoC proposal on Tabular content store |
| 21:36.47 | zupo | comments welcome |
| 21:36.47 | zupo | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2011/zupo/1 |
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| 21:37.34 | zupo | I'd especially like a comment from SteveM on whether to do a standalone project or to do a better implementation of the SaveDataAdapter for PloneFormGen |
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| 21:37.52 | zupo | eh, wrong channel |
| 21:37.55 | zupo | sorry :) |
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| 21:45.55 | SRabbelier | anyone want to test notifications on gsoc before they go live? |
| 21:47.21 | brik | can do |
| 21:47.23 | ajedwards | if you want |
| 21:48.25 | SRabbelier | gsoc.appspot.com |
| 21:48.35 | SRabbelier | apply to a student for Melange |
| 21:49.02 | dberkholz | did loading the dashbord just get a lot faster? |
| 21:49.07 | dberkholz | dashboard* |
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| 21:51.01 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: I deny everything |
| 21:51.53 | dberkholz | either somebody made the code a lot better, or i'm just catching app engine at one of its few good minutes each week |
| 21:52.08 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: didn't do it |
| 21:52.12 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: (probably the latter) |
| 21:52.24 | dberkholz | i'm getting dashboard loads in like 2 sec instead of 10 |
| 21:52.25 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: we haven't deployed a new release sicne the day before yesterday |
| 21:52.35 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: it should have been 2 secs all the time |
| 21:52.37 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: curious |
| 21:52.44 | CrawfordComeaux | Any mentors ever swear in the communications with students? |
| 21:52.45 | dberkholz | oh no, it's been crazy slow. |
| 21:53.06 | ajedwards | CrawfordComeaux, is that for a statistic? ;) |
| 21:53.52 | dberkholz | CrawfordComeaux: probably the same ones who were removed shortly afterwards. =P |
| 21:54.01 | CrawfordComeaux | ajedwards: new applicant just showed up w/an idea & my immediate internal response was "f***ing love it!" |
| 21:54.08 | ajedwards | haha |
| 21:54.26 | ajedwards | I hope my proposal prompts such a response... |
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| 21:54.44 | ajedwards | struggling to get feedback from the org. :/ |
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| 21:56.10 | CrawfordComeaux | unsure if it'd be wise to do this, but you could potentially look for a phone number to reach them |
| 21:56.20 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: sad |
| 21:56.25 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: it's been fast for me :) |
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| 21:58.59 | marekweb | hello |
| 22:00.55 | efes | marekweb: hi |
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| 22:08.06 | SRabbelier | notifications are live |
| 22:09.20 | ajedwards | just need some comments now SRabbelier! ;) |
| 22:09.30 | SRabbelier | ajedwards: indeed |
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| 22:10.03 | ajedwards | is there any way to ping my org. to let them know i've updated my proposal or do they get sent a notification? |
| 22:10.17 | SRabbelier | ajedwards: if you updated it after, say, 10 seconds ago, they'll get notified |
| 22:10.23 | SRabbelier | ajedwards: or you can leave a comment |
| 22:10.26 | SRabbelier | ajedwards: which also notifies them |
| 22:10.42 | ajedwards | I'll make a small change.. |
| 22:11.03 | SRabbelier | ajedwards: hehe |
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| 22:11.26 | kblin | notifications are live now? |
| 22:11.31 | SRabbelier | sec |
| 22:11.33 | Nightrose | OMG! |
| 22:11.34 | SRabbelier | rolling back to previous release |
| 22:11.35 | Nightrose | notifications |
| 22:11.36 | SRabbelier | bug ! |
| 22:11.38 | Nightrose | hugs SRabbelier |
| 22:11.45 | Nightrose | awww |
| 22:11.51 | Nightrose | just received one :( |
| 22:11.53 | kblin | Nightrose: roll back the hug, there's a bug |
| 22:11.53 | ajedwards | made the change - hopefully I beat you before the rollback! lol |
| 22:11.58 | SRabbelier | awr :( |
| 22:11.59 | Nightrose | kblin: lol |
| 22:12.03 | SRabbelier | hugs Nightrose back anyway |
| 22:12.08 | Nightrose | hehe |
| 22:12.21 | SRabbelier | Nightrose: Modeline Editor in Kate yeah? |
| 22:12.26 | Nightrose | yes |
| 22:12.35 | SRabbelier | Nightrose: pays to be a KDE mentor |
| 22:12.39 | Nightrose | lol |
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| 22:14.06 | SRabbelier | deploying fix :) |
| 22:14.40 | ajedwards | what was the bug? |
| 22:15.04 | SRabbelier | ajedwards: uninitialized value in the happy-path case |
| 22:15.14 | SRabbelier | ok |
| 22:15.16 | SRabbelier | they're live again |
| 22:15.23 | SRabbelier | (notifications that is) |
| 22:15.26 | kblin | SRabbelier: you should be so prepared to get a job as product manager at microsoft. I'll happily vouch for your skill to alpha-test your software on your production users |
| 22:15.26 | Nightrose | hugs SRabbelier |
| 22:15.26 | ajedwards | \o/ |
| 22:15.30 | Nightrose | :D |
| 22:15.42 | ajedwards | kblin lol! |
| 22:16.00 | SRabbelier | kblin: lol :( |
| 22:19.31 | kblin | SRabbelier: no reason to fret, though, you're way faster deploying the fixes |
| 22:19.51 | SRabbelier | kblin: we try :) |
| 22:20.01 | SRabbelier | kblin: also, I'm having Madhu write a test that demonstrates the breakage :P |
| 22:20.09 | SRabbelier | kblin: so at least we learn from our mistakes, yeah? |
| 22:20.26 | kblin | isn't sure about that one |
| 22:20.38 | kblin | I keep looking into the mentors list ;) |
| 22:20.43 | Nightrose | thinks it is time for cookies and chocolate |
| 22:20.50 | kblin | sure |
| 22:21.02 | kblin | !cookies |
| 22:21.03 | SRabbelier | kblin: What mistake exactly is it that I'm not learning from said list? :P |
| 22:21.18 | SRabbelier | Nightrose: I do very much like chocolate ^^ |
| 22:21.27 | Nightrose | :P |
| 22:21.29 | kblin | SRabbelier: well, that looking into the list is a mistake |
| 22:21.30 | Nightrose | don't we all... |
| 22:21.36 | kblin | !cookie |
| 22:21.37 | socinfo | kblin: "cookie" is omnomnom |
| 22:21.39 | SRabbelier | kblin: lol :) |
| 22:21.49 | SRabbelier | socinfo: win |
| 22:22.03 | SRabbelier | Nightrose: truth ^^ |
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| 22:24.37 | SRabbelier | is F5-ing the logs tab, so far no other errors |
| 22:24.53 | SRabbelier | if only AppEngine provided notifications for exceptions |
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| 22:26.06 | ajedwards | Are there any JPF mentors in here? |
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| 22:26.22 | wtachi | hm, the deadline should be in the topic |
| 22:26.30 | wtachi | !anyone |
| 22:26.32 | socinfo | wtachi: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. Try searching for the org's contact info or even just try a /join #<mentoring org here> |
| 22:26.33 | wtachi | ajedwards: ^ |
| 22:26.42 | ajedwards | wtachi, to strike fear into people? |
| 22:26.49 | wtachi | yes! |
| 22:26.51 | ajedwards | wtachi, inactive channel tbh |
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| 22:26.56 | kblin | !next |
| 22:26.58 | socinfo | kblin: "next" is April 8: 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. The overall timeline is at http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
| 22:26.59 | wtachi | oh, hm |
| 22:27.04 | kblin | should be sufficient |
| 22:27.10 | kblin | and there's a link to the timeline |
| 22:27.39 | wtachi | kblin: yeah, I guess there's no sense making the application process idiot-proof |
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| 22:28.04 | Nightrose | "natural selection"? |
| 22:28.05 | Nightrose | ;-) |
| 22:28.39 | Nightrose | can't read the timeline -> don't get a slot |
| 22:29.10 | SRabbelier | Nightrose: there's a lot of other "can't ..." -> "dont' get a slots" imo :) |
| 22:29.19 | SRabbelier | Nightrose: and I think that goes for orgs and their admins/mentors as well |
| 22:29.21 | Nightrose | truth |
| 22:29.22 | SRabbelier | *whistles innocently* |
| 22:29.26 | Nightrose | hehe |
| 22:30.28 | wtachi | by that reasoning, we should have "Melange broken? you can't apply unless you fix it yourself" |
| 22:30.40 | ajedwards | haha |
| 22:30.47 | ajedwards | skillsets differ widely... |
| 22:30.49 | Nightrose | hmmmm - might speed things up considerably |
| 22:30.54 | ajedwards | but yeah, that'd be fun |
| 22:31.34 | SRabbelier | wtachi: agreed |
| 22:31.40 | SRabbelier | wtachi: let's do that for next year |
| 22:33.55 | ajedwards | are there ever any students register who don't submit applications? |
| 22:33.55 | SRabbelier | Allright |
| 22:34.01 | SRabbelier | ajedwards: many |
| 22:34.09 | SRabbelier | don't seem to be any explosions so far |
| 22:34.11 | SRabbelier | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:34.11 | ajedwards | and if so, are they included in the count? |
| 22:34.21 | SRabbelier | I'm leaving you all in madrazr's capable hands |
| 22:34.26 | ajedwards | nn SRabbelier |
| 22:34.27 | SRabbelier | (he's "on call" :P) |
| 22:34.35 | Nightrose | good night SRabbelier |
| 22:34.44 | SRabbelier | Nightrose: you too =) |
| 22:34.45 | madrazr | SRabbelier: thanks :) |
| 22:34.49 | madrazr | I will do my best :) |
| 22:34.51 | SRabbelier | ajedwards: tnq |
| 22:36.30 | Nightrose | SRabbelier: hmmm - good idea in fact |
| 22:36.34 | Nightrose | i should get some sleep |
| 22:36.48 | SRabbelier | Nightrose: 'tis indeed :) |
| 22:38.25 | marekweb | can you guys divulge any secret stats for the curious? say, how many applications so far? |
| 22:38.49 | beng-nl | hears 'secret' and pricks ears |
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| 22:40.18 | wtachi | wonders whether Melange leaks anything, like sequential ID numbers |
| 22:40.42 | Nightrose | wtachi: judging from my sample i'd say no |
| 22:40.53 | Nightrose | marekweb: more than 80 |
| 22:40.54 | Nightrose | ;-) |
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| 22:42.57 | madrazr | wtachi: thanks to Appengine's assigment of IDs :) you can't do that :D |
| 22:43.43 | madrazr | marekweb: may be possible, should ask Sverre when he is around. Since he is the one who can do that (and probably Carol may have to agree to do that) |
| 22:44.31 | madrazr | marekweb: (not talking as a Melange developer) I had seen that happening during GSoC 2009 |
| 22:45.05 | madrazr | Nightrose: for your org? or total? :P |
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| 22:45.19 | Nightrose | madrazr: well both obviously :D |
| 22:45.42 | madrazr | Nightrose: LoL! Melange is not letting KDE get so much attention ;-) |
| 22:45.46 | madrazr | hides |
| 22:45.49 | marekweb | I wonder what the most popular project is |
| 22:46.04 | madrazr | marekweb: Melange :P |
| 22:46.32 | madrazr | marekweb: on a more serious note, it will be nice if all of us can know |
| 22:46.33 | Nightrose | madrazr: ;-) did you build in another trap? :D |
| 22:46.44 | madrazr | Nightrose: ssshhh ... |
| 22:46.50 | Nightrose | :D |
| 22:46.52 | Nightrose | ok... |
| 22:46.59 | madrazr | :D |
| 22:47.47 | madrazr | Nightrose: No trap |
| 22:47.56 | Nightrose | that's what you say! |
| 22:48.07 | madrazr | Nightrose: and thats the truth :) |
| 22:48.16 | Nightrose | -.- |
| 22:48.19 | madrazr | he he |
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| 22:54.23 | ojwb | Nightrose: looks from my sample (<80 though) like melange leaks at least a clue as to how many proposals the student submitted before this one |
| 22:54.53 | Nightrose | possibly |
| 22:55.48 | Nightrose | tbh i don't really care ;-) |
| 22:55.56 | Nightrose | what i care about is getting great proposals |
| 22:55.58 | Nightrose | lots of them |
| 22:58.51 | Nightrose | ok - time for bed for real - nini :) |
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| 22:59.42 | ojwb | night nightrose |
| 22:59.49 | carols | night Nightrose |
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| 23:10.16 | mmoghimi | is there anyone from google here? |
| 23:10.44 | carols | mmoghimi: yes |
| 23:10.53 | carols | serves some tea |
| 23:11.19 | CrawfordComeaux | Woo! A proposal for using the Kinect as an input device for home automation! |
| 23:12.34 | carols | thats awesome CrawfordComeaux :-) |
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| 23:16.07 | CrawfordComeaux | carols: what should we do about duplicate submission? |
| 23:16.33 | carols | CrawfordComeaux: from the same student? |
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| 23:17.12 | CrawfordComeaux | yes... |
| 23:17.32 | CrawfordComeaux | he submitted 3 times, I think to correct formatting issues he was having |
| 23:18.07 | kasun | !timeline |
| 23:18.08 | socinfo | kasun: "timeline" is http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
| 23:18.10 | carols | CrawfordComeaux: downvote one of them and upvote the other or however you want to mark the other two as unaccepted |
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| 23:19.23 | ojwb | CrawfordComeaux: I think you can also ask the student to withdraw the two older versions |
| 23:19.52 | carols | what ojwb said |
| 23:21.20 | CrawfordComeaux | ok great :) |
| 23:21.21 | CrawfordComeaux | thanks |
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| 23:27.29 | thebolt_pad | Morning |
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| 23:29.41 | cm45t3r | Hello |
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| 23:31.55 | socketguru | !next |
| 23:31.56 | socinfo | socketguru: "next" is April 8: 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. The overall timeline is at http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
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| 23:38.54 | tian2992 | What happens If I apply to 2 and I'm accepted |
| 23:39.02 | tian2992 | I get to pick which one, right? |
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| 23:39.37 | thebolt_pad | If the orbs notice in time and have possibility yes, otherwise you will get one of them |
| 23:39.37 | bwright | Hello. |
| 23:39.47 | thebolt_pad | Don't count on being asked |
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| 23:42.34 | tian2992 | thebolt_pad, also, can I apply for two positions in the same organization? |
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| 23:44.15 | ojwb | tian2992: yes, but it's a good idea to talk to the org first |
| 23:44.22 | ojwb | it's always a good idea to talk to the org first |
| 23:44.38 | ojwb | but they might have had 20 applications for one idea already |
| 23:44.48 | thebolt_pad | Sure |
| 23:44.49 | thebolt_pad | But remember quality is always better than quantity |
| 23:44.57 | tian2992 | I'm talking to them, but they told me to ask here :) |
| 23:45.20 | ojwb | tian2992: there's no "master" rule against it |
| 23:45.51 | tian2992 | thanks |
| 23:46.09 | tian2992 | after the application period finishes (april 9, right); when will I be notified If I'm accepted? |
| 23:46.55 | CrawfordComeaux | carols: is it kosher to add several members of our local software development community to the system as mentors in order to let them participate in the application process or would that be better left in our google group? |
| 23:47.19 | carols | CrawfordComeaux: you can administer the selection process however you choose. |
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| 23:47.39 | CrawfordComeaux | ok thanks :) |
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| 23:47.48 | carols | yw :-) |
| 23:48.30 | thebolt_pad | Hm time to board |
| 23:48.36 | thebolt_pad | Cya later |
| 23:49.33 | tian2992 | gee, I'm sorry; according to the timeline is April 22: |
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