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| 00:12.59 | koda | carols: :o you mean we should hit ignore on every application we are not interested in? |
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| 00:14.24 | infinity0 | where is the ignore button? i don't see one :/ |
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| 00:14.39 | ThomasWaldmann | koda: the total crap, yes |
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| 00:16.15 | koda | well we've rated the best ones so hopefully the reviewers will avoid looking at apps with less than 2 stars:p |
| 00:17.20 | infinity0 | we need a "suggest you donate your brain to science" button |
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| 00:18.41 | ojwb | my take is that anything that doesn't even mention your project in any way is an easy ignore, and anything which essentially just takes a title or other text from your ideas page or website and maybe slaps on some personal background is pretty obvious to ignore too |
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| 00:19.28 | carols | koda: run it however you choose. your proposals, your org, you figure it out :-) |
| 00:19.31 | ojwb | not so sure where the student has tried, but the result is underwhelming |
| 00:19.43 | infinity0 | i seriously suggest that we should start telling those types to fuck off - if enough of us say it, maybe they will realise they are doing something wrong |
| 00:19.52 | infinity0 | because providing no feedback is unkind :) |
| 00:19.57 | carols | infinity0: please watch the language. |
| 00:20.35 | ojwb | infinity0: i've been telling them that such applications have no chance of success, and they're just wasting people's time |
| 00:20.45 | ojwb | but i suspect there's an inexhaustible supply |
| 00:23.13 | infinity0 | hmm |
| 00:23.34 | infinity0 | we just need to make it costly for people to submit crap proposals, and by that i mean effort rather than money |
| 00:23.40 | infinity0 | like solve a small puzzle or something |
| 00:24.28 | infinity0 | or maybe just detect when a proposal you submit is similar to a previous proposal, and bar that |
| 00:24.31 | infinity0 | actually yeah that could work |
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| 00:24.49 | infinity0 | even if your proposal is 2/3 personal background, it's still too much generic boilerplate |
| 00:25.26 | ojwb | they'd just generate random text... |
| 00:26.02 | infinity0 | ojwb: what do you mean? |
| 00:26.13 | infinity0 | how would that help them |
| 00:26.19 | infinity0 | random text is easy to recognise and ignore |
| 00:26.21 | ojwb | it would get past the filter |
| 00:26.31 | infinity0 | a crap proposal on the other hand, i need to read through entirely to realise how crap it is |
| 00:26.37 | ojwb | well, so are proposals which are just boilerplate |
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| 00:26.59 | infinity0 | i dunno, i tend to read through most of it to try to extract some possible value ... ¬.¬ |
| 00:27.13 | ojwb | education would be more useful I feel |
| 00:27.45 | ojwb | actually turn a few into useful contributors |
| 00:27.57 | ojwb | not sure how that's achievable though |
| 00:28.18 | infinity0 | well, you can pop up a message explaining why they're not allowed to submit proposal_B which is == s/projectA/projectB/g proposal_A |
| 00:28.25 | infinity0 | i think that's the most we can do, anyway |
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| 00:32.33 | infinity0 | "hi, you are submitting a proposal which is very similar to a previously-generated proposal, we discourage this because it indicates that your proposal is not specific enough to the project that you're applying for. gsoc is a full-time summer commitment so it requires that students work closely with their projects, and understand its specific details. \n\n if most of your proposal text is generic personal information, we recommen |
| 00:33.55 | _wolf_ | infinity0, 2 things which have helped people: application template, which requires the student to put at least a small an effort |
| 00:34.04 | _wolf_ | plus required patches |
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| 00:35.05 | infinity0 | we do both of that, you can just c+p sections in, and yes the patches are definitely a good indicator of coding ability |
| 00:35.34 | infinity0 | however, it's frustrating to even read these proposals in the first place, i'd like the process to fail-fast if possible |
| 00:36.03 | infinity0 | and explain to the candidate why it's not a good proposal, saves me having to do it 20 times |
| 00:36.09 | infinity0 | i really don't like just ignoring them |
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| 00:37.17 | laserbled | why exactly do we have a search option in melange website ? |
| 00:37.42 | pygi | I was told it should be used for searching |
| 00:37.44 | pygi | hides |
| 00:38.03 | _wolf_ | hey pygi! Come here |
| 00:38.10 | pygi | _wolf_: where? :p |
| 00:38.15 | laserbled | :) ... i mean other than searching orgs for which we already there...anything else ? |
| 00:38.19 | _wolf_ | right here. |
| 00:38.22 | pygi | _wolf_: I'm sad |
| 00:38.23 | _wolf_ | points |
| 00:38.34 | pygi | we toyed with microstation 95 :( |
| 00:38.44 | pygi | sad sad day :p |
| 00:39.24 | _wolf_ | the cad program? |
| 00:39.40 | pygi | some GIS program, if you want to call it cad..it could be cad, yes |
| 00:40.16 | _wolf_ | it might have evolved into somewhat gisy thing |
| 00:40.23 | ojwb | infinity0: there are valid reasons for sending in a near identical proposal though - e.g. "this is a good proposal, but more appropriate for org X" |
| 00:40.27 | _wolf_ | but it's stil a CAD in it's roots |
| 00:40.32 | pygi | this was fom the year 1995 _wolf_ :D |
| 00:40.51 | ojwb | or if the project is integration between two orgs, you might want it submitted to both so either can take it |
| 00:41.04 | ojwb | (both are real examples of situations I've seen) |
| 00:41.14 | _wolf_ | I know, pygi so the 95 version probably hadn't any real GIS functions in it |
| 00:41.27 | pygi | _wolf_: it does have some extensions *shrug* |
| 00:41.33 | infinity0 | ojwb: "recommend to other org" option? |
| 00:41.50 | ojwb | well, that might cover half of it |
| 00:41.57 | ojwb | but your feature is growing in scope |
| 00:42.07 | infinity0 | right |
| 00:42.26 | ojwb | probably the most effective measure in terms of effort is to reduce the 20 threshold |
| 00:42.58 | ojwb | though I bet some try to sign up multiple times |
| 00:43.09 | ojwb | like the case Alex reported on the list |
| 00:43.12 | infinity0 | actually i think that covers all of it, where else could you submit 2 proposals? |
| 00:43.30 | ojwb | to most conferences? |
| 00:47.28 | ojwb | hmm, shouldn't "ignored" proposals be shown when the status filter is set to "invalid"? |
| 00:48.06 | ojwb | they seem to only show for "all", not for either "valid" or "invalid" |
| 00:51.38 | infinity0 | where is the ignore button? |
| 00:53.03 | ojwb | top of every proposal |
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| 00:53.41 | infinity0 | i only have "i wish to mentor" and "allow proposal modifications" |
| 00:53.53 | infinity0 | do you need to be admin to ignore? |
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| 00:55.00 | ojwb | maybe |
| 00:55.14 | ojwb | probably actually - it could get messy in some orgs |
| 00:55.43 | ojwb | filed http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=1202 for the status filter issue |
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| 01:07.52 | javier_ | guys |
| 01:08.18 | javier_ | I want to apply |
| 01:08.26 | wtachi | javier_: you missed the deadline |
| 01:08.29 | jceel | apply to what? |
| 01:08.29 | Dark_Shikari | !no |
| 01:08.30 | socinfo | Dark_Shikari: "no" is no, you cannot have a deadline extension or an exception. have a cookie instead. |
| 01:08.31 | javier_ | no, I want to participate |
| 01:08.45 | jceel | participate in what? |
| 01:08.53 | javier_ | man its 8 PM here |
| 01:08.55 | javier_ | gsoc |
| 01:09.00 | jceel | try next year |
| 01:09.07 | wtachi | !nogsoc |
| 01:09.08 | socinfo | wtachi: "nogsoc" is You can contribute to open source outside of GSoC. Start submitting patches, talk to an organization, or try http://openhatch.org/. Some organizations will even provide mentoring! |
| 01:09.18 | wtachi | javier_: ^ |
| 01:09.24 | prithviraj | @javier_ you could participate this year too, without getting paid ! |
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| 01:10.11 | javier_ | anyone I could talk to? |
| 01:10.25 | javier_ | I just remembered about this |
| 01:10.31 | javier_ | and missed the deadline by one day |
| 01:10.39 | Dark_Shikari | !no |
| 01:10.40 | socinfo | Dark_Shikari: "no" is no, you cannot have a deadline extension or an exception. have a cookie instead. |
| 01:11.18 | ojwb | javier_: even if you were in the correct timezone, 8pm would be too late |
| 01:11.44 | Dark_Shikari | and it's not as if you didn't have the past two weeks to apply |
| 01:12.01 | javier_ | I just remembered about the existance of gsoc |
| 01:12.11 | javier_ | and I remembered on the deadline |
| 01:12.29 | javier_ | thats gotta mean something |
| 01:12.40 | javier_ | and please dont say "it means you shouldnt apply" |
| 01:13.03 | jceel | we don't mean "you shouldn't apply" |
| 01:13.06 | wtachi | it means you can't apply until next year |
| 01:13.09 | ojwb | the deadline was over 6 hours ago |
| 01:13.13 | wtachi | it's simply not possible |
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| 01:13.44 | jceel | javier_, it's just not possible to apply now, under no circumstances |
| 01:13.55 | javier_ | it is possible.. you just dont want |
| 01:14.06 | jceel | no, it's not possible now. try next year. |
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| 01:14.29 | javier_ | best bday ever |
| 01:14.59 | javier_ | ill swing by tomorrow |
| 01:15.03 | prithviraj | !no |
| 01:15.04 | javier_ | gotta go now |
| 01:15.04 | socinfo | prithviraj: "no" is no, you cannot have a deadline extension or an exception. have a cookie instead. |
| 01:15.13 | javier_ | have a nice day |
| 01:15.14 | javier_ | and relax |
| 01:15.14 | dfighter | bday cookie |
| 01:15.18 | javier_ | its possible |
| 01:15.24 | javier_ | just help me out |
| 01:15.27 | javier_ | see ya tomorrow |
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| 01:15.35 | chx | it's an important lesson to learn |
| 01:15.46 | chx | better to learn with missing soc deadline |
| 01:16.23 | ragu | :+chx: but its never a nice lesson to learn |
| 01:16.36 | chx | it's an *important* one |
| 01:16.39 | jceel | i think that proposals submitted in last minutes are rather not well thought out |
| 01:17.41 | jceel | saying that you can't modify proposal after deadline it's million times better to give some time for org. feedback and have chance to modify it |
| 01:19.42 | tcoppi | /w 54 |
| 01:20.05 | ragu | +cha: I just don't like teaching ppl about this. But it has to b done... |
| 01:22.48 | ojwb | jceel: orgs have the option to allow changes now, but there's no requirement for them to. certainly sliding in a dummy proposal with seconds to go and then actually writing it now is just not on |
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| 01:25.02 | chx | i am nit allowing changes no way . Level field for everyone. |
| 01:26.30 | ojwb | wasn;t expecting it to be available so soon so hadn't really consider it, but I think that's probably my view too |
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| 01:28.37 | ojwb | students can still post comments - given the lack of a feature to show you the changes made, that's actually more helpful |
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| 01:53.53 | bkgood | oh no I just woke up and slept through the deadline will anyone help me with an extension |
| 01:54.16 | desti_T2 | !no |
| 01:54.17 | socinfo | desti_T2: "no" is no, you cannot have a deadline extension or an exception. have a cookie instead. |
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| 01:55.17 | bkgood | oh I like cookies |
| 01:55.34 | thiago | you can work on writing code for a time machine |
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| 01:56.48 | wtachi | !nogsoc |
| 01:56.49 | socinfo | wtachi: "nogsoc" is You can contribute to open source outside of GSoC. Start submitting patches, talk to an organization, or try http://openhatch.org/. Some organizations will even provide mentoring! |
| 01:56.51 | wtachi | bkgood: ^ |
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| 01:59.56 | kstar_ | bkgood: And if you were planning to apply for KDE, we have our own "Season of KDE" program. Ask on #kde-soc for details. |
| 02:00.40 | wtachi | wonders whether he should have mentioned his 4.0 GPA |
| 02:01.35 | bkgood | kstar_: I may look into that, I have quite a bit of qt experience, thanks! |
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| 02:02.02 | ojwb | wtachi: GPAs seem popular to mention, but are fairly meaningless to me at least |
| 02:02.02 | kstar_ | bkgood: Cool! They don't have cash to offer, but they make up for it with T-Shirts and a certificate recognizing your work. |
| 02:02.12 | ojwb | the scales seem different at different unis for a start |
| 02:02.16 | kstar_ | Yeah, you can have a 4.0 and be a bad coder. |
| 02:02.30 | wtachi | yeah, especially since it's international |
| 02:02.33 | kstar_ | And it also depends on the competancy of other students at your university. |
| 02:02.53 | kstar_ | wouldn't dream of being a 4.0 at his undergrad. |
| 02:03.19 | ojwb | is much more interested in being shown what you can do, rather than being told what somebody else thought you could do |
| 02:03.34 | ojwb | it's pretty much impossible for me to verify a GPA claim for a start |
| 02:03.37 | kstar_ | Right. Like patches or implementation details. |
| 02:03.40 | wtachi | also true |
| 02:03.48 | ojwb | even if I phone the uni, I doubt they'd tell me |
| 02:03.54 | kstar_ | FERPA. |
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| 02:03.55 | kstar_ | Yes. |
| 02:03.59 | kstar_ | Oh at least in the US. |
| 02:04.07 | wtachi | does FERPA mean you can lie without consequence? |
| 02:04.49 | ojwb | kstar_: yes, patches are an excellent demo of skills |
| 02:05.03 | ojwb | and show how you approach a problem too |
| 02:05.27 | ojwb | also shows you managed to get a working source tree (well, if the patch works at least) |
| 02:05.53 | kstar_ | wtachi: Hmm, I really don't think so. I think the onus is on you to prove, and people wouldn't believe until you did so I guess. |
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| 02:35.38 | shayden | ! |
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| 02:39.54 | marcosrorizOMFG | !next |
| 02:39.55 | socinfo | marcosrorizOMFG: "next" is April 22nd: 19:00 UTC - End of reviews, deduplication meeting on IRC |
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| 02:43.08 | DarkSector | kstar: excited about my first GSoC |
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| 02:45.31 | ojwb | http://survex.com/~olly/blog/xapian/xapian-gsoc-applications-for-2011.html |
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| 03:03.42 | halfie | Is April 25 the day when I will know if my proposal was accepted? |
| 03:05.14 | hiemanshu | !timeline |
| 03:05.16 | socinfo | hiemanshu: "timeline" is http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
| 03:05.19 | hiemanshu | halfie: ^^ |
| 03:06.24 | halfie | cool, I see that my proposal has been already reviewed and commented on. hoping for atb! |
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| 04:22.15 | samiran | hi everybody i hope everybody submitted their application in time |
| 04:27.21 | greeniekin | samiran, yep. i wish i had submitted more applications |
| 04:28.12 | samiran | greeniekin : same here |
| 04:28.32 | samiran | could not make out time for two |
| 04:29.21 | greeniekin | i have 3 submitted. 2 for reactos, one for wine(not really happy with taht proposal) and i wish i had submitted one to blender |
| 04:30.23 | samiran | oh, i think you had enough to increase probability |
| 04:30.27 | samiran | :) |
| 04:31.54 | greeniekin | more doesn't necessararly mean better. I may be under qualified for both |
| 04:32.17 | ojwb | generally more means each is lower quality |
| 04:32.25 | greeniekin | it's annoying i can't edit my proposal anymore. not even just to change wether it's public or private |
| 04:32.48 | samiran | may be, i concentrated in only one proposal but have fear for not being accepted |
| 04:33.38 | samiran | here is the link |
| 04:33.39 | samiran | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2011/srb/1 |
| 04:33.59 | samiran | can someone review it for me |
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| 04:37.02 | ojwb | samiran: well, we don't really know what your org are looking for in a proposal |
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| 04:37.34 | ojwb | looks like it covers the sort of ground I'd hope for though |
| 04:37.51 | greeniekin | samiran, in mine i didn't write about myself and my milestone were not as detailed. yours is very detailed |
| 04:38.09 | samiran | ojwb : whats your view as a user |
| 04:38.10 | ojwb | has seen entire proposals shorter than that title! |
| 04:38.43 | ojwb | isn't a user |
| 04:38.45 | greeniekin | ojwb, that was one thing i was thinking when i reat it lol |
| 04:38.52 | greeniekin | *read it |
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| 04:39.58 | samiran | greeniekin : I saw some proposals very brief, did i just put some unnecessary stuffs |
| 04:41.02 | chx | samiran: you should be talking to your organization not this generic channel |
| 04:41.10 | greeniekin | samiran, well if the info is good, it shouldn't matter. All you have to do is fill them with confidence |
| 04:41.59 | samiran | chx : well as the timeline is over i thought people here would like to know about others proposals |
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| 04:42.44 | chx | !stats |
| 04:42.44 | socinfo | chx: I have 1 registered users with 0 registered hostmasks; 1 owner and 0 admins. |
| 04:42.50 | chx | m |
| 04:42.55 | chx | i hoped it had the number |
| 04:42.58 | chx | numbers |
| 04:43.05 | chx | samiran: there are more than 5000 proposals in the system now |
| 04:43.12 | dfighter | !numapps |
| 04:43.13 | socinfo | dfighter: "numapps" is 417 mentoring orgs applied and 175 were accepted this year; 5474 proposals were submitted by 3731 students. In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and 151 were accepted; 5539 proposals were submitted by 3464 students, and 1026 were accepted. |
| 04:43.22 | dfighter | chx I think this is what you meant to type :P |
| 04:44.39 | samiran | chx : i m sorry if i had disturb the normal work flow here |
| 04:45.38 | chx | dfighter: well yes. how come i have not thought of that trivial factoid name, icant fatom |
| 04:46.11 | chx | samiran: no you didnt its quiet this hour here -- just saying, there are way too many |
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| 04:48.04 | socinfo | prithviraj: "next" is April 22nd: 19:00 UTC - End of reviews, deduplication meeting on IRC |
| 04:48.05 | greeniekin | do you know how many students you can support? just curious. as i assume it's worked out by what budget you've been given |
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| 04:55.46 | gsoc_Daedalus789 | !odds |
| 04:55.47 | socinfo | gsoc_Daedalus789: "odds" is Odds, chances or probability really do not come into play for GSoC. Rambling off numbers or asking What are the odds of getting accepted... is really quite useless as one's acceptance is not dictated by luck or numbers, but by the quality of your proposal and your skills instead. |
| 04:56.24 | gsoc_Daedalus789 | .....oh numapps above, my mistake |
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| 05:02.48 | wtachi | supposedly there will be more accepted students than last year |
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| 05:03.51 | adi_30stm | Hi |
| 05:04.12 | zubin71 | wtachi: well the number of organizations have increased so... :) |
| 05:04.33 | adi_30stm | Can anyone help me figure out how to apply Google summer code program |
| 05:04.43 | wtachi | adi_30stm: you missed the deadline |
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| 05:05.13 | adi_30stm | wen was it? |
| 05:05.22 | wtachi | ~10 hours ago |
| 05:05.32 | adi_30stm | can i apply next year |
| 05:05.40 | wtachi | adi_30stm: if you'll be eligible, then yes! |
| 05:06.07 | adi_30stm | could you tell what is the eligiblity and where to do i start for applying |
| 05:06.13 | adi_30stm | for next year |
| 05:06.13 | wtachi | !eligible |
| 05:06.14 | socinfo | wtachi: "eligible" is Follow this handy flowchart to see if you are eligible http://goo.gl/kvCSv (text version at http://goo.gl/ImfNT) |
| 05:06.18 | wtachi | adi_30stm: ^ |
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| 05:07.55 | adi_30stm | well according to the link u sent ya i am |
| 05:08.29 | wtachi | then you will most likely be eligible next year |
| 05:08.53 | wtachi | you won't be able to apply until next March (unless they change dates) |
| 05:08.54 | adi_30stm | ok how do apply next year and when |
| 05:09.24 | wtachi | but you'll have a much better application if you've been working with the project already |
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| 05:09.47 | wtachi | so you should get involved in some open source projects before then |
| 05:10.01 | adi_30stm | ok |
| 05:10.16 | adi_30stm | thanks wtachi |
| 05:10.18 | adi_30stm | :) |
| 05:10.41 | wtachi | !nogsoc |
| 05:10.43 | socinfo | wtachi: "nogsoc" is You can contribute to open source outside of GSoC. Start submitting patches, talk to an organization, or try http://openhatch.org/. Some organizations will even provide mentoring! |
| 05:10.46 | wtachi | adi_30stm: ^ |
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| 05:11.19 | wtachi | if you don't have a project in mind, you can try openhatch.org or the KDE mentoring project |
| 05:11.20 | adi_30stm | hmm.. |
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| 05:11.30 | wtachi | I've heard it's a lot like GSoC except you don't get paid |
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| 05:12.17 | adi_30stm | its ok if i don't get paid |
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| 05:12.37 | adi_30stm | i just learn something new |
| 05:12.43 | adi_30stm | want* |
| 05:13.01 | adi_30stm | thanx for the link going through it now |
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| 05:16.35 | Chami1 | hi all |
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| 05:17.09 | Chami1 | one of my proposal's status is "withdrawn". is this a problem? |
| 05:18.10 | wtachi | Chami1: is it supposed to be a valid proposal? |
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| 05:20.36 | Chami1 | wtachi: yeah |
| 05:21.10 | Chami1 | wtachi: I submitted it as usual. but now it's status is withdrawn. |
| 05:21.27 | wtachi | !fix |
| 05:21.29 | socinfo | wtachi: "fix" is Send SRabbelier an email from the account you used for GSoC. Include your link_id and your desired status change. His email is his nick at gmail. |
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| 05:21.30 | wtachi | Chami1: ^ |
| 05:21.44 | wtachi | (SRabbelier: I hope that's okay) |
| 05:22.51 | Chami1 | wtachi: i don't get it? |
| 05:23.10 | wtachi | Chami1: send SRabbelier an e-mail describing the problem |
| 05:23.20 | wtachi | include your link_id |
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| 05:24.54 | Chami1 | wtachi: so the email address should be srabbelier@gmail.com ? |
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| 05:25.54 | wtachi | Chami1: yes. I think he avoided saying it to avoid spam. |
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| 05:26.27 | wtachi | probably a lost cause anyway |
| 05:26.59 | Chami1 | wtachi: what is that "fix" word? should I included as the subject of the email? |
| 05:27.31 | wtachi | Chami1: ignore that. That's just how I got socinfo to say the message |
| 05:27.38 | wtachi | !cookies |
| 05:27.43 | wtachi | !cookie |
| 05:27.44 | socinfo | wtachi: "cookie" is omnomnom |
| 05:28.32 | DarthGandalf | !omnomnom |
| 05:28.35 | Chami1 | wtachi: thank you a lot for helping me. |
| 05:28.46 | wtachi | Chami1: no problem |
| 05:28.52 | wtachi | I think I just confused you, though |
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| 05:31.42 | Chami1 | wtachi: no. I'm really worried about it and u realxed me |
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| 05:56.03 | gsathya | !logs |
| 05:56.04 | socinfo | gsathya: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
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| 06:07.27 | socinfo | jimbozhang__: "time" is has come, the walrus said, to speak of other things. |
| 06:07.57 | jimbozhang | !next |
| 06:07.58 | socinfo | jimbozhang: "next" is April 22nd: 19:00 UTC - End of reviews, deduplication meeting on IRC |
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| 06:24.31 | ojwb | Chami1: you should be able to click "resubmit" to reverse the withdrawal |
| 06:24.44 | ojwb | unless that's changed with the deadline |
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| 06:33.02 | raincole | Hello |
| 06:33.20 | raincole | Will I get any notification when a mentor comment my proposal? |
| 06:33.33 | raincole | or I have to refresh my dashboard? |
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| 06:35.15 | ojwb | raincole: you should get an email, unless you disabled notifications |
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| 06:36.14 | raincole | thanks |
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| 07:27.35 | hypatia | ways to get hypatia to not accept your proposal: say "dear sir" in it. |
| 07:27.37 | hypatia | grumps |
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| 07:28.00 | kblin | digs though the wave of proposals that flooded in mere minutes before the deadline |
| 07:28.15 | kblin | hypatia: yes sir |
| 07:28.19 | kblin | 0:) |
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| 07:28.39 | svaksha | hypatia: please sir :P |
| 07:29.13 | hypatia | grumps at svaksha |
| 07:29.16 | hypatia | <3 |
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| 07:29.55 | svaksha | heh, was it from .in by any chance -- 'sir' is a very common form of address here |
| 07:30.31 | hypatia | yup :/ |
| 07:30.32 | kblin | yeah, I've had indian students "sir" me in irc |
| 07:30.37 | hypatia | maybe we should put that in the manual |
| 07:30.44 | svaksha | lol, i thought so |
| 07:30.52 | hypatia | i don't care about the formality, it's the misgendering that bothers me |
| 07:31.01 | hypatia | nails on a chalkboard, i tells ya. |
| 07:31.22 | svaksha | "mam's" hypatia |
| 07:31.52 | kblin | hypatia: it's a 97% percent chance to be right, but I can see how very annoying this has to be for the 3% |
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| 07:32.11 | hypatia | kblin: except that it's not terribly appropriate for the other 97% either |
| 07:32.19 | hypatia | but, i hear you |
| 07:32.34 | hypatia | i will still stomp around and take my toys home. |
| 07:32.35 | kblin | yeah, I usually start my open source-related mails with something like "hi" |
| 07:33.05 | kblin | no chance in misgendering, and not formal whatsoever |
| 07:33.20 | hypatia | sup dawg, i heard you like code so i put some source in your code so you can compile while you complie |
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| 07:33.29 | hypatia | aww man typo on the last word. |
| 07:33.32 | svaksha | kblin: here, 'respect' is everything so college/uni folks expect it -- folks that dont go all formal can pay in ways you wont like to hear |
| 07:33.38 | chx | well, look, 'guys' became somewhat gender neutral |
| 07:33.54 | hypatia | chx: arguable |
| 07:33.55 | chx | so they might htink, i dunno, sir is too? or they just cant imagine a female open source mentor? |
| 07:34.35 | dfighter | wow there are girls on the Internet? |
| 07:34.48 | hypatia | eyerolls |
| 07:34.56 | svaksha | heh |
| 07:35.05 | hypatia | alright i'm done with these proposals for the night. laterz |
| 07:35.06 | dfighter | hides sarcasm until hypatia blows up |
| 07:35.24 | kblin | ok, let's try and be a bit less dorky |
| 07:35.41 | kblin | hypatia: have fun reading something other than proposals :) |
| 07:36.17 | hypatia | kblin: studying for algos final. does CLRS count as more fun? |
| 07:36.56 | chx | i found BoyerâMoore to be just fascinating |
| 07:37.08 | hypatia | i kid, i actually really liked this class |
| 07:37.13 | hypatia | just.... finals :) |
| 07:37.15 | hypatia | anywhoo |
| 07:37.18 | hypatia | nite #gsoc! |
| 07:37.24 | kblin | hypatia: depends on how weird you are, but I actually liked that book |
| 07:37.35 | hypatia | perhaps i will be less cranky tomorrow. got turned down for a job today :( |
| 07:37.37 | kblin | the GOF patterns book was pretty decent as well |
| 07:38.21 | kblin | ah, that'd cramp my style as well |
| 07:38.26 | svaksha | hypatia: {hugs} |
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| 07:38.51 | kblin | I'm cranky enough just reading through proposals from people who have no clue what they're doing |
| 07:39.13 | kblin | I guess if most of them started with "dear madam", that'd get old pretty quick |
| 07:39.47 | Ophiuchi | kblin: we got a proposal titled ipv6 for linux, where they proposed to write an IPv6 stack for us. beat that. :P |
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| 07:40.27 | kblin | Ophiuchi: someone proposed to implement our group policy handling in Java, that's about as stupid |
| 07:41.14 | Ophiuchi | kblin: heh, indeed :) |
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| 07:41.23 | kblin | I can only beat that by applying to the PSF proposing a perl project |
| 07:41.33 | kblin | but that'd be too obvious a troll |
| 07:42.34 | kblin | Ophiuchi: at least with IPv6, I see the point. we _are_ running out of IPv4 addresses |
| 07:42.50 | kblin | and I still can't get security updates for my distro via IPv6 |
| 07:42.53 | Ophiuchi | kblin: ah, that'd be a challenge .. "write a perl source translator" f.e.? ,) |
| 07:43.25 | kblin | and that's not because I don't get IPv6 out of my local network |
| 07:43.28 | Ophiuchi | kblin: NetBSD has had an IPv6 stack .. for a while. And is no Linux either, of course. |
| 07:43.42 | kblin | Ophiuchi: yeah, I'm aware of that |
| 07:43.49 | kblin | you're using KAME, right? |
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| 07:44.25 | Ophiuchi | kblin: by now, a descendant of KAME. |
| 07:44.31 | kblin | I guess |
| 07:44.59 | kblin | I last looked at this stuff in 2006, when I had to port a VOIP detector program to IPv6 for university |
| 07:45.12 | kblin | and the web pages looked pretty outdated even back then |
| 07:45.38 | Ophiuchi | the KAME project ended a while ago. |
| 07:45.38 | kblin | god, that was awful code... :) |
| 07:46.18 | kblin | the voip detector, that is, didn't really dig into the code of the ipv6 stack |
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| 07:49.37 | Ophiuchi | if we didn't look at our old code and groan, it'd mean we didn't improve :-P |
| 07:50.16 | kblin | wasn't my code :) |
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| 07:50.49 | kblin | it was supposedly C code, that seems to have been written by a Java programmer using a c++ compiler |
| 07:51.47 | kblin | took me a month to get the beast to compile as plain C without warnings and be valgrind-clean |
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| 07:54.30 | kblin | but arguably I've certainly written code that'd made me cringe today as well |
| 07:55.25 | kblin | there's a few corners I wrote between christmas and new year's eve last year that I haven't dared going back to so far |
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| 07:58.24 | kblin | gets out his buzzword dosimeter |
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| 08:17.39 | Syberia | I've seen notice that this channel is logged. Is there available logs for public access? |
| 08:20.28 | ihalip | !logs |
| 08:20.30 | socinfo | ihalip: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
| 08:20.42 | Syberia | thanks |
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| 08:22.23 | cemycc | !numapps |
| 08:22.25 | socinfo | cemycc: "numapps" is 417 mentoring orgs applied and 175 were accepted this year; 5474 proposals were submitted by 3731 students. In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and 151 were accepted; 5539 proposals were submitted by 3464 students, and 1026 were accepted. |
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| 08:28.27 | carldani | SRabbelier, carols: thanks for removing the spam mentor "Sooraj J" |
| 08:29.18 | Mayank | !nepomuk-kde |
| 08:29.23 | Mayank | !kde |
| 08:30.15 | ojwb | Mayank: please don't play with the bot |
| 08:30.34 | ojwb | if you want to contact KDE, see their org page in melange |
| 08:31.15 | Mayank | ojwb: sorry for that, just wanted to see if I get a link from it. |
| 08:32.47 | raincole | How can I play with the bot without polluting #gsoc? |
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| 08:34.22 | bkgood | raincole: /query socinfo |
| 08:34.42 | |Kev| | Or just don't play with it :) |
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| 08:42.27 | DarthGandalf | "/query socinfo" doesn't work |
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| 10:03.01 | ojwb | DarthGandalf: it does, but for inexplicable reasons, the syntax is rather different |
| 10:03.12 | ojwb | !socinfo |
| 10:03.13 | socinfo | ojwb: "socinfo" is http://gsoc-wiki.osuosl.org/index.php/Socinfo |
| 10:04.07 | DarthGandalf | I tried with !, without ! |
| 10:04.25 | ojwb | that wiki page documents the syntax |
| 10:04.35 | DarthGandalf | Ah, ok |
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| 10:05.36 | DarthGandalf | > whatis #gsoc next |
| 10:05.40 | DarthGandalf | Huh. |
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| 10:08.16 | schumaml | see also http://supybook.fealdia.org/devel/ |
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| 11:15.57 | hackyyy | !learn |
| 11:15.57 | socinfo | hackyyy: Invalid arguments for learn. |
| 11:16.14 | hackyyy | !help |
| 11:16.16 | socinfo | hackyyy: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. |
| 11:17.42 | hackyyy | how many applications have been submited? |
| 11:17.50 | dhaun | !numapps |
| 11:17.51 | socinfo | dhaun: "numapps" is 417 mentoring orgs applied and 175 were accepted this year; 5474 proposals were submitted by 3731 students. In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and 151 were accepted; 5539 proposals were submitted by 3464 students, and 1026 were accepted. |
| 11:18.33 | hackyyy | thanks :) |
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| 11:43.02 | parkx408 | anyone planning to work on the filesystem layer? |
| 11:44.47 | AlexP | what filesystem layer? |
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| 11:51.35 | darklrd | hey i am unable to 'update' my proposals now.. i had soem more info to add.. have they been freezed now? |
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| 11:52.31 | zeta_chang | darklrd: the deadline is yesterday,sorry for that |
| 11:52.51 | dhaun | !edit |
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| 11:52.52 | socinfo | dhaun: "edit" is (#1) You can edit your proposal up until the application deadline on April 8th, 19:00 UTC., or (#2) Comments on proposals however, can _not_ be edited after submitting., or (#3) Mentors can allow students to edit proposals on a case-by-case basis after the deadline has expired. |
| 11:53.27 | darklrd | zeta_chang: duan: thanks |
| 11:53.42 | darklrd | dhuan: thanks :) |
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| 11:58.29 | klickverbot | Hi all, I just noticed that I accidentally didn't set the »public« flag on my proposals during the application period. Now, I can't go to the settings page anymore, getting a »this page is inactive from ⦠to â¦Â« error â is there another way to make proposals public at this point? |
| 11:59.13 | dhaun | klickverbot: you only need that flag to let others see your proposals - the mentors of your org can see it in any case |
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| 11:59.55 | klickverbot | dhaun: Yeah, I know that, but I'd like to discuss it with the rest of the community, and wondered whether there is a better way than copying it to my own website |
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| 12:00.21 | ojwb | klickverbot: you could probably ask the melange devs to flip the bit for you |
| 12:00.26 | dhaun | in that case, see if somebody's awake in #melange |
| 12:00.42 | ojwb | it's probably not particularly intended to lock it down I suspect |
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| 12:10.57 | Michitux | klickverbot: asking a mentor to allow you editing the proposal for that purpose might work, too (though I'm not sure, that's just a guess) |
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| 12:13.36 | hassan1990 | hi there. I was just wondering how can i update my proposal? |
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| 12:13.52 | SukhE | hassan1990: You can't update it now. You can just add comments. |
| 12:14.00 | SukhE | !update |
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| 12:14.33 | dhaun | !edit |
| 12:14.34 | socinfo | dhaun: "edit" is (#1) You can edit your proposal up until the application deadline on April 8th, 19:00 UTC., or (#2) Comments on proposals however, can _not_ be edited after submitting., or (#3) Mentors can allow students to edit proposals on a case-by-case basis after the deadline has expired. |
| 12:14.43 | SukhE | hassan1990: ^ |
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| 12:15.13 | hassan1990 | but I have been told by the project admin that I will be able to do so |
| 12:16.05 | dhaun | then the project admin was wrong or was thinking of option #3 |
| 12:16.57 | hassan1990 | ok thank you. I think I will have to contact the project admin now |
| 12:16.58 | Chami1 | sorry to interupt. can somebody help me? my proposal didn't reach the organization. proposal's status is withdrawn. but I submitted it correctly |
| 12:17.46 | ojwb | there's a button on each proposal |
| 12:18.11 | ojwb | but you shouldn't assume they'll just push it if you ask necessarily |
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| 12:22.14 | prismbreaker | My application shows "Status: pending". What does this mean? |
| 12:22.37 | dhaun | !pending |
| 12:22.38 | socinfo | dhaun: "pending" is neither accepted or rejected⦠yet |
| 12:22.48 | dhaun | in other words, everything's fine :) |
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| 12:23.57 | prismbreaker | dhaun: Thanks! |
| 12:24.00 | Chami1 | my proposal shows "withdrawn". can't I submit it |
| 12:24.13 | dhaun | Chami1: so did you withdraw it? |
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| 12:26.07 | ojwb | Chami1: is there a "resubmit" button? |
| 12:26.20 | ojwb | and didn't I suggest that several hours ago to you? |
| 12:28.08 | Chami1 | ojwb: no i didn't |
| 12:28.24 | Chami1 | ojwb: I cannot see a resubmit button |
| 12:29.31 | ojwb | "@1302330270 <ojwb!olly@atreus.tartarus.org> Chami1: you should be able to click "resubmit" to reverse the withdrawal" |
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| 12:30.29 | ojwb | did you mail Sverre as wtachi suggested? |
| 12:31.01 | ojwb | i guess resubmit is disabled now |
| 12:31.13 | Chami1 | yeah. but he said mentoring org can give me the permision to update it and submit |
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| 12:31.43 | Chami1 | ojwb: but my organization said only the google can correct it |
| 12:32.06 | dhaun | if it's withdrawn, the org won't see it and therefore can't allow editing it ... |
| 12:32.30 | ojwb | dhaun: they can see it - they just need to select "All" for the status filter in the project list |
| 12:32.45 | dhaun | ah, okay |
| 12:33.01 | ojwb | or "Invalid" even, to only show the withdrawn ones |
| 12:33.22 | ojwb | Chami1: I'd forward Sverre's mail to the org admin |
| 12:33.30 | svaksha | Chami1: maybe only the org admin has su powers, try asking him/her |
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| 12:35.36 | Chami1 | maybe he searched submitted ones. I'll tell him to search for "invalid" and give me the chance to resubmit it. That will solve it. isn't it? |
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| 12:59.45 | bloodycoin | hello, should I answer my application comment by commenting my application or by updating it? |
| 13:00.32 | SukhE | You can't update your application now, so commenting is the only (and the right way) of doing it. |
| 13:01.01 | bloodycoin | oh, thank you |
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| 13:05.37 | gevaerts | Unless of course the organisation allows you to update, in which case I'd also assume they'd prefer you to :) |
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| 13:16.51 | g4ur4v | is there any chance that participating companies may contact students before 22 april? |
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| 13:17.32 | gevaerts | "companies"? |
| 13:17.52 | svaksha | they may ask you for comments, etc ... i'm not sure what you mean by 'contact' |
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| 13:19.27 | DarthGandalf | What happens between 22 and 25 april, when list of accepted students is already decided, but not yet published? |
| 13:19.46 | svaksha | wait :P |
| 13:20.25 | gevaerts | Error margin probably :) |
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| 13:25.30 | ojwb | gevaerts: there seems to be a common misconception amongst students that the orgs are companies |
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| 13:25.50 | ojwb | which is true for a few, but not generally |
| 13:26.09 | gevaerts | ojwb: yes, weird. I wonder if there's a correlation between that and the ones who win gsoc |
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| 13:26.31 | ojwb | I'd be surprised if it was a strongly positive one |
| 13:26.49 | achillion | how do you "win" gsoc? |
| 13:27.11 | gevaerts | achillion: no idea, but from what I hear some people have done it |
| 13:27.38 | ojwb | assumed you just meant "get a place" |
| 13:27.38 | Ophiuchi | achillion: same as you win at your job, I guess. |
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| 13:28.27 | Ophiuchi | getting accepted is only step one :-P |
| 13:28.33 | achillion | Ok, I just thought maybe I misunderstood the concept of the program |
| 13:29.01 | gevaerts | achillion: gsoc is a competition organised by companies where you can win :) |
| 13:29.05 | gevaerts | Or maybe it's not |
| 13:29.35 | achillion | gevaerts: I'm gonna side with the "not" side |
| 13:30.08 | achillion | uh, that last sentence sounds so bad |
| 13:30.13 | achillion | "side with the side" |
| 13:30.18 | achillion | I need more coffee |
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| 13:31.27 | Ophiuchi | btw, there are GSoC orgs that are 'proper', commercial companies? |
| 13:32.05 | gevaerts | yes |
| 13:32.08 | ojwb | wonders what 'proper' means |
| 13:32.51 | svaksha | ojwb: for a number of students from .in volunteering away code for free is an alien concept |
| 13:33.21 | gevaerts | Ophiuchi: last year facebook was a mentoring organisation |
| 13:33.24 | ojwb | for a lot of people in a lot of places |
| 13:33.26 | svaksha | notes that volunteering itself is not highly regarded |
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| 13:33.49 | ojwb | occasionally I find myself amongst them and experience culture shock |
| 13:33.57 | svaksha | heh |
| 13:36.32 | Ophiuchi | ojwb: well, my org is a non-profit corporation |
| 13:36.37 | ojwb | facebook are a proper company? |
| 13:37.28 | ojwb | Ophiuchi: ah, ok, I see what you mean |
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| 13:37.40 | ojwb | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/google/gsoc2011/dprogramminglanguage |
| 13:38.01 | ojwb | sounds like a for-profit |
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| 13:39.46 | ojwb | and google of course! |
| 13:40.24 | klickverbot | Well, Digital Mars is the one-man company of Walter Bright, which markets his C/C++ compiler and associated tools. The D programming language itself is obviously not for-profit, but using Digital Mars as mentoring organization was chosen because it is a valid legal entity, in comparison to some vague »D Programming Language Community« thing |
| 13:40.46 | gevaerts | is busy watching youtube sorting algorithms |
| 13:41.08 | svaksha | org's that dual licence their code are still allowed to participate, right? |
| 13:41.17 | ojwb | klickverbot: but I'm technically correct |
| 13:41.21 | ojwb | the best sort of correct |
| 13:41.22 | klickverbot | ojwb: Yes, you are |
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| 13:43.32 | gevaerts | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyZQPjUT5B4 if anyone cares |
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| 13:49.36 | achillion | gevaerts: hah! |
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| 13:57.45 | sagi_ | hey, I have submitted the proposal in a particular organization after gathering much information from mentors and doing a self study about the details of that orgaisation. |
| 13:58.05 | sagi_ | Now what is the procedure and criteria of project selection ? |
| 13:58.13 | ojwb | sagi_: wait and see |
| 13:58.24 | klickverbot | sagi_: Also, that depends on your organization |
| 13:58.32 | sagi_ | till 24 ? |
| 13:58.38 | ajedwards|tp | 25th |
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| 13:58.59 | ojwb | you may be asked to do stuff, so keep an eye on your mail for notifications |
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| 13:59.27 | sagi_ | Stuff related to project work. |
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| 14:03.31 | ojwb | sagi_: yes - maybe they'll want clarifications on your proposal, or ask you to do a qualifying task if they haven't already |
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| 14:04.39 | sagi_ | okay, here "they" implies the mentors or gsoc admin ? |
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| 14:04.56 | Ophiuchi | sagi: either |
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| 14:05.32 | ojwb | well, not carols |
| 14:05.43 | ojwb | but the org admin(s) or mentors might |
| 14:05.57 | JordiGH | Uh, where's the actual applications? |
| 14:06.09 | JordiGH | wants to mentor one, but can't find the application. |
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| 14:06.24 | ojwb | have you signed up as a mentor and been accepted? |
| 14:06.33 | ojwb | if so, they should be in your dashboard |
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| 14:07.01 | Chami1 | ojwb: thank you for helping me about that proposal "withdrawn" problem |
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| 14:08.01 | Chami1 | ojwb: finally I could resubmitted it after mentor gives the permission. thanks in advance |
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| 14:08.24 | sagi_ | ojwb, so basically student submits the proposal,and then Gsoc admin decides who is gonna be the best mentor for this from that particular organisation. |
| 14:08.43 | svaksha | sagi_: no |
| 14:08.49 | sagi_ | Moreover there would be a regular test from the people and i would be provided tasks. |
| 14:09.10 | sagi_ | svaksha, ? |
| 14:09.11 | svaksha | afaik, org admin makes mentor decisions |
| 14:09.18 | ojwb | yes |
| 14:09.20 | JordiGH | ojwb: Oh, I did have to sign up as a mentor? I thought only organisations had to sign up. I want to mentor for GNU. |
| 14:09.39 | ojwb | mentors say which proposal(s) they are willing to mentor, org admin selects which |
| 14:09.44 | ojwb | at least that's the mechanics |
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| 14:10.01 | sagi_ | ojwb, yes :) |
| 14:10.03 | ojwb | JordiGH: yes - to the the GNU org page and click on the mentor sign up |
| 14:10.07 | JordiGH | But I had to get accepted. I can't just sign up now and ask GNU to accept me. It's too late now for that, right? |
| 14:10.08 | ojwb | *go* to |
| 14:10.22 | ojwb | JordiGH: it's not too late to sign up as a mentor |
| 14:10.26 | JordiGH | Oh, good. |
| 14:10.28 | JordiGH | goes check. |
| 14:10.44 | ojwb | you can usually sign up at any point |
| 14:10.49 | ojwb | so the org can replace a mentor |
| 14:11.11 | ojwb | students need to have applied already though |
| 14:11.12 | svaksha | or as backup-mentor |
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| 14:11.45 | sagi_ | ojwb, during this period("after the proposal submission") what are we supposed to do ? |
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| 14:12.14 | JordiGH | Yeah, the student told us on our mailing list that he had already applied. |
| 14:12.53 | ojwb | sagi_: as I said, wait, unless the org ask you to do something |
| 14:12.55 | svaksha | sagi_: try experimenting and learn moreabout the project/s you applied for |
| 14:13.24 | ojwb | yes, that's a good way to pass the time |
| 14:13.35 | sagi_ | ojwb, svaksha thanks. |
| 14:13.41 | ojwb | if you find out useful things, you can note them in comments on the proposal |
| 14:14.02 | sagi_ | ojwb, yeah nice idea :D |
| 14:14.55 | JordiGH | Uh... now where's the mentor signup page? |
| 14:15.16 | AlexP | It is that massive sign up as a mentor button on google-melange.com |
| 14:15.28 | JordiGH | Can't grep for it. |
| 14:15.51 | svaksha | JordiGH: there is a 'apply as mentor' yellow button |
| 14:15.58 | AlexP | Go to http://www.google-melange.com |
| 14:15.59 | svaksha | s/a/an |
| 14:16.16 | JordiGH | Ah, I see it "apply". |
| 14:16.22 | JordiGH | It's not yellow here, heh. |
| 14:16.22 | AlexP | Click on the huge button that says "Apply now" right under where it says "mentors: apply now!" |
| 14:16.29 | svaksha | JordiGH: heh |
| 14:16.41 | AlexP | sorry, just apply |
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| 14:17.24 | JordiGH | Hm, ugly CSS. They set background colour without setting foreground colour. |
| 14:17.27 | JordiGH | Oh well. |
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| 14:21.11 | JordiGH | D: Google boycotts Cuba. |
| 14:21.38 | gevaerts | Well no |
| 14:21.44 | gevaerts | The USA does that |
| 14:21.50 | JordiGH | And the agreement says my personal information isn't private, even though it's marked as private in the form. |
| 14:22.08 | JordiGH | gevaerts: Google operates in more countries than the USA; it could choose to selectively ignore that law. |
| 14:22.30 | gevaerts | I seriously doubt that |
| 14:22.51 | JordiGH | No, it's true: "You also grant Google the right to use your name and name of your Organization, city, and country for purposes of publicizing, advertising, or otherwise promoting the Google Summer of Code without any payment to you or to any other person or entity." |
| 14:22.52 | gevaerts | Well, it could choose to, but that likely wouldn't be without consequences |
| 14:22.55 | JordiGH | City and country. |
| 14:23.21 | JordiGH | Okay, time to lie. |
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| 14:24.27 | AlexP | Google is a US company, they can't just randomly ignore US laws |
| 14:24.36 | AlexP | No matter how silly that law may be :) |
| 14:24.39 | JordiGH | Sure they can, every company ignores US laws by not operating in the US. |
| 14:24.43 | JordiGH | It's how they get sweat shops. |
| 14:24.53 | AlexP | So you are suggesting google leaves the US? |
| 14:24.54 | JordiGH | And get tax exemptions. |
| 14:24.58 | JordiGH | Google has already left the US. |
| 14:25.08 | AlexP | No, they have expanded overseas |
| 14:25.20 | AlexP | But those sweatshops etc. aren't run by the same company |
| 14:25.20 | JordiGH | And when they expand oversees, they don't obey US laws. |
| 14:25.25 | AlexP | They just pay the others |
| 14:25.34 | AlexP | Anyway, I'm not going to feed |
| 14:26.13 | dhaun | wonders if JordiGH should really mentor someone ... |
| 14:26.49 | JordiGH | dhaun: My mentoring won't involve international law. |
| 14:27.15 | AlexP | Will it involve being able to find big buttons on websites? :) |
| 14:27.27 | JordiGH | Thankfully no. Nor web design and ugly CSS. |
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| 14:28.01 | dhaun | JordiGH: but you just announced, publically, in a logged channel that you are going to use fake data when signing up as mentor - not a good start, IMO |
| 14:28.33 | JordiGH | dhaun: Google also lied to me. It says in one field the data is private and in the agreement that it's not. |
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| 14:28.57 | dhaun | so maybe you shouldn't take part in this program then |
| 14:29.07 | JordiGH | Because Google is lying to me_ |
| 14:29.09 | JordiGH | ? |
| 14:29.26 | JordiGH | Or maybe I'm misunderstanding what "private" means. |
| 14:29.31 | dhaun | which you seem to find unacceptable, so yes |
| 14:30.33 | JordiGH | dhaun: Just to be sure, is Google lying or not? |
| 14:30.36 | JordiGH | Are the fields private or not? |
| 14:30.42 | JordiGH | Maybe I just can't understand the legalese. |
| 14:31.00 | gevaerts | Well, for the record, there's been a statement from carols that mentors working under a pseudonym are not a problem |
| 14:31.13 | brlcad | SRabbelier: all orgs, wow .. heh |
| 14:31.20 | ojwb | provided the org was ok with that |
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| 14:31.23 | brlcad | pretty good trolling |
| 14:31.27 | SRabbelier | brlcad: yeah |
| 14:31.38 | gevaerts | yes, indeed. Not a problem *for google* |
| 14:31.41 | JordiGH | I'm not using a pseudonym. I just don't want my street address being publicised by Google. |
| 14:31.43 | SRabbelier | brlcad: I'm adding a "developer dashboard" in response to his trolling :P |
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| 14:32.03 | SRabbelier | JordiGH: it will never be publicised |
| 14:32.08 | SRabbelier | JordiGH: as the header said "Private data" |
| 14:32.19 | JordiGH | SRabbelier: But the agreement says it will publicise my city. |
| 14:32.22 | JordiGH | Which is part of my address. |
| 14:32.30 | SRabbelier | JordiGH: only if you tick the "publish my location" box will the location you select on the map be shown |
| 14:32.42 | SRabbelier | JordiGH: see above |
| 14:32.59 | JordiGH | Maybe there's more in the agreement that says it won't publicise my city if I click on something. |
| 14:32.59 | SRabbelier | JordiGH: mail carol to ask that the TOS is updated to reflect this more precisely |
| 14:33.02 | JordiGH | reads more. |
| 14:33.33 | SRabbelier | JordiGH: it's not (yet) in the agreement, but that's how things work, see the explanation on your profile page near the "publish my location" box |
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| 14:38.44 | JordiGH | Backing up a little, maybe there's more I don't understand. Why does Google want my street address? |
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| 14:39.05 | dhaun | mentors get a tshirt |
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| 14:39.24 | JordiGH | Oh. But I don't want a tshirt. |
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| 14:39.34 | JordiGH | Is there another reason? Why is it required? |
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| 14:39.59 | dhaun | someone is a little paranoid, no? |
| 14:40.04 | gevaerts | You don't *want* a tshirt? |
| 14:40.18 | dhaun | there may be legal reasons, I don't know |
| 14:40.34 | bugQ | I sympathize with suspicion despite my disillusionment |
| 14:40.36 | JordiGH | gevaerts: No, I want a student to write code for our project. |
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| 14:42.01 | JordiGH | SRabbelier: You said I could email Carol with these concerns? What's her address? |
| 14:42.13 | gevaerts | That's private! |
| 14:42.15 | gevaerts | runs |
| 14:42.18 | AlexP | haha :) |
| 14:42.32 | JordiGH | I know privacy is laughable in the face of Google, but it's not that laughable. |
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| 14:42.59 | AlexP | There seems to be a lot of slagging off Google for someone who wants their money |
| 14:43.07 | JordiGH | gevaerts: Furthermore: http://jordi.platinum.linux.pl/piccies/ni-dieu-ni-maitre.jpg |
| 14:43.07 | apurvtwr | hmm |
| 14:43.12 | JordiGH | AlexP: I don't want their money, the student does. |
| 14:43.25 | AlexP | and via that you get the student |
| 14:43.26 | gevaerts | So pay the student yourself |
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| 14:43.31 | AlexP | so essentially the same thing |
| 14:44.15 | JordiGH | AlexP: I'm sure the student does need to provide an address so that the cheque can go there, but it's not unreasonable to suggest I don't provide it unless there are other reasons I don't know of. |
| 14:44.55 | JordiGH | AlexP: And I'm trying to help the student, out of my own unpaid free time. Surely a little privacy in exchange for my unpaid hours isn't asking too much. |
| 14:45.32 | AlexP | JordiGH: Sure, I wasn't actually replying to that |
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| 14:45.55 | AlexP | I was replying to the way you are saying it, with things like "I know privacy is laughable in the face of Google," |
| 14:46.09 | JordiGH | Well, just quoting the zeitgeist. |
| 14:46.14 | AlexP | The slagging off just seems unnecessary, and doesn't present a very good impression of your project |
| 14:46.28 | JordiGH | And addressing the mocking that someone could still want privacy, even if there's a Google. |
| 14:47.15 | DarthGandalf | Payments are sent as cheques just via post mail? |
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| 14:47.55 | Zor | can a list of public proposals for an organization be found anywhere? |
| 14:48.09 | achillion | DarthGandalf: I noticed something about prepaid cards a while ago. Dunno if that's the payment method |
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| 14:48.24 | schumaml | DarthGandalf: the last two(?) years it was prepaid credit cards, iirc |
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| 14:48.59 | SRabbelier | JordiGH: carols@google.com? |
| 14:49.42 | DarthGandalf | Hm... But still via post mail? Or virtual ones? |
| 14:50.05 | SRabbelier | DarthGandalf: the former |
| 14:50.25 | achillion | DarthGandalf: I'm guessing (just speculation here) cards in mail and PIN in a separate one, or via email or some sort of secure website |
| 14:50.53 | DarthGandalf | achillion: ah |
| 14:50.57 | SRabbelier | achillion: you need to set up the PIN by calling a US number if you need it |
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| 14:51.16 | JordiGH | SRabbelier: Thanks. |
| 14:51.27 | DarthGandalf | SRabbelier: but where's guarantee that the letter will be actually delivered? |
| 14:51.31 | achillion | There's someone who knows more than I do so I'll just stop speculating |
| 14:51.45 | gevaerts | DarthGandalf: if it's not, you contact google, and things are retried |
| 14:51.56 | DarthGandalf | Ah, good... Thanks |
| 14:52.01 | SRabbelier | DarthGandalf: if it's not you contact Google |
| 14:52.07 | gevaerts | The card is only activated when you confirm that you got it I believe |
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| 14:52.58 | Pranav_rcmas | !logs |
| 14:52.59 | socinfo | Pranav_rcmas: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
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| 14:53.38 | apurvtwr | is there anyway of seeing public proposals for an org? |
| 14:54.11 | gevaerts | "public" means that you can see the proposal if you have the URL |
| 14:54.23 | SRabbelier | !public |
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| 14:55.02 | SRabbelier | !learn public as If a proposal is public anyone can see it if they have the url. Non-public proposals are visible by the student and the mentors for the organization they applied to. There is no list of all public proposals. |
| 14:55.02 | socinfo | SRabbelier: The operation succeeded. |
| 14:55.06 | SRabbelier | apurvtwr: ^ |
| 14:55.41 | apurvtwr | ok.. thanks |
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| 15:00.09 | JordiGH | SRabbelier: Sent. I guess she (?) will see it on Monday and hopefully I'll get a response shortly after. |
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| 15:00.35 | SRabbelier | JordiGH: She'll respond when she can, there's a lot of stuff going on she has to deal with atm |
| 15:01.08 | JordiGH | I'm sure there is. But I don't think there's a rush, is there? |
| 15:01.11 | JordiGH | goes read the timeline. |
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| 15:02.10 | SRabbelier | JordiGH: a rush where? |
| 15:02.51 | JordiGH | To get a mentor and secure a student to code for us. Judging by the mailing list discussions, we have a very good applicant, and it would be a shame to lose him. |
| 15:03.45 | JordiGH | Hm, April 22. That may be a little rushed. I hope she can respond before then. |
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| 15:05.27 | SRabbelier | JordiGH: Most likely :) |
| 15:05.38 | infinity0 | wonders if it would be acceptable to put 1600 amphitheatre parkway as your address, then it's pretty obvious you don't want a t-shirt |
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| 15:06.09 | SRabbelier | infinity0: I don't think that's a good idea |
| 15:06.16 | SRabbelier | infinity0: would be better to request that Melange has a way to indicate that |
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| 15:06.58 | gevaerts | SRabbelier: you feel bored? :) |
| 15:07.06 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: not at all |
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| 15:08.43 | gevaerts | Ah, I misunderstood then :) |
| 15:08.59 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: what made you think I was :P |
| 15:09.10 | antimatroid | how could you not want a shirt? |
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| 15:09.46 | SRabbelier | seconds antimatroid |
| 15:09.50 | gevaerts | SRabbelier: you seemed to be asking for more melange feature requests :) |
| 15:10.09 | JordiGH | antimatroid: That would be unfashionable. |
| 15:10.29 | antimatroid | who cares about fashion? |
| 15:10.33 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: heh |
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| 15:12.56 | JordiGH | Requesting feature requests? |
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| 15:14.09 | _wolf_ | obviously SRabbelier doesn't have enough things to fill 24/7 of his time, so he is asking for more to do? :P |
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| 15:15.15 | _wolf_ | I managed to scrounge up 3 tees last night, from a spring cleaning at work :) |
| 15:15.33 | JordiGH | One of our core Octave devs is now working at Google. Can Google employees be mentors? |
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| 15:16.07 | JordiGH | He's admittedly been a little distant since he got hired by Google, but he did express that he might want to mentor. |
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| 15:16.31 | gevaerts | Yes |
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| 15:16.49 | _wolf_ | JordiGH, yes |
| 15:17.05 | _wolf_ | I work at Google and I am a mentor and admin |
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| 15:17.30 | JordiGH | Interesting. But too bad he hasn't responded to our emails in a while. |
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| 15:22.24 | JordiGH | Thanks for the help guys. I'll wait to see what Carol says. ttyl, hopefully |
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| 15:41.41 | rushabhtechie55 | I submitted a project for proj. fedora any help or documentation that I can get..? |
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| 15:46.28 | rushabhtechie55 | has anyone submitted projects on project fedora? |
| 15:46.39 | |Kev| | !anyone |
| 15:46.40 | socinfo | |Kev|: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. Try searching for the org's contact info or even just try a /join #<mentoring org here> |
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| 15:47.36 | rushabhtechie55 | I am making a Wubi like application for Fedora as my GSOC proj |
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| 15:48.25 | dhaun | rushabhtechie55: that's nice, but if you have a question about Fedora, you should talk to the Fedora people |
| 15:48.46 | rushabhtechie55 | do you have a link or know the name of chat room? |
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| 15:52.03 | dhaun | according to their ideas page, that would be #redhat-summer - but you could easily have found that out yourself ⦠|
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| 16:38.56 | penberg | Somebody subscribed me to gsoc mentors list automatically for the wrong email address! |
| 16:39.04 | penberg | Heelp! I cannnot unsubscribe! |
| 16:39.33 | gsathya | !fix |
| 16:39.35 | socinfo | gsathya: "fix" is Send SRabbelier an email from the account you used for GSoC. Include your link_id and your desired status change. His email is his nick at gmail. |
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| 16:41.07 | gevaerts | I don't think SRabbelier can fix mailing list subscriptions |
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| 16:43.11 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: correct, you need to mail carols for that |
| 16:43.18 | penberg | It's really annoying, it happens every damn year! :-) |
| 16:43.25 | penberg | SRabbelier: thanks! |
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| 16:43.53 | SRabbelier | penberg: you get subscribed to the email address you enter in Melange |
| 16:44.10 | SRabbelier | penberg: so I suggest you enter the right damn email address next time ;) |
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| 16:44.26 | penberg | SRabbelier: hmm but |
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| 16:44.42 | penberg | SRabbelier: so, I've been subscribed with my @gmail.com account for four years now. |
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| 16:44.52 | penberg | SRabbelier: but I only use it for mailing lists |
| 16:45.02 | penberg | SRabbelier: and I definitely don't want the traffic to my other email address |
| 16:45.32 | penberg | SRabbelier: and when somebody subscribed me, i told about it and got unsubscribed |
| 16:45.43 | penberg | SRabbelier: but now I got subscribed automatically without any notification! |
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| 16:46.36 | penberg | SRabbelier: so what can I do to fix it? |
| 16:47.00 | penberg | SRabbelier: I was able to unsubscribe the other email now but I'm afraid i'll get automatically subscribed again |
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| 16:48.31 | SRabbelier | penberg: you automatically get subscribed to the email address you have entered in "email" on your profile |
| 16:48.37 | SRabbelier | penberg: this happens in bulk as I'm sure you can understand |
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| 16:52.38 | Ophiuchi | needs more chocolate |
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| 17:00.54 | laserbled | this channel is rather silent this year I felt....save for the mentors |
| 17:02.31 | apurvtwr_ | wonders if this is what is silent.. what was it like last year |
| 17:02.48 | mt | not silent. |
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| 17:03.41 | apurvtwr_ | glad that we concur on that :) |
| 17:04.24 | mt | :) |
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| 17:08.49 | felipevieira | !next |
| 17:08.50 | socinfo | felipevieira: "next" is April 22nd: 19:00 UTC - End of reviews, deduplication meeting on IRC |
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| 17:43.08 | ylfchild | hi, i've submitted an application, but I don't know where it shows that my application is pending. |
| 17:43.19 | ylfchild | i see the proposal name and org on my dashboard, but not the 'pending' info or anything else |
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| 17:43.27 | SukhE | !pending |
| 17:43.27 | socinfo | SukhE: "pending" is neither accepted or rejected⦠yet |
| 17:43.30 | SRabbelier | ylfchild: then's fine |
| 17:44.03 | ylfchild | i mean, i don't see where it says pending |
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| 17:44.45 | ylfchild | should that appear on my dashboard or when i click through to my proposal? |
| 17:44.58 | SukhE | ylfchild: Yes and it's right below the 'Short description'. |
| 17:45.35 | ylfchild | SukhE: thanks! i glossed over that every time i looked through |
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| 18:02.18 | hiemanshu | !ext |
| 18:02.22 | hiemanshu | !next |
| 18:02.23 | socinfo | hiemanshu: "next" is April 22nd: 19:00 UTC - End of reviews, deduplication meeting on IRC |
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| 18:13.39 | Aditya88 | has anyone applied for MBL-CLI |
| 18:13.44 | Aditya88 | ? |
| 18:15.32 | |Kev| | !anyone |
| 18:15.34 | socinfo | |Kev|: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. Try searching for the org's contact info or even just try a /join #<mentoring org here> |
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| 18:21.14 | socinfo | Aditya88: Error: You don't have the admin capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified. |
| 18:22.31 | DarthGandalf | Probably !poll would be better suited here... |
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| 18:24.34 | YuviPanda | DarthGandalf, nice nick :) |
| 18:24.47 | DarthGandalf | Thanks... |
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| 18:45.10 | BorisS1 | hello there. Just a quick question about GSoC application. I applied for couple of project and I am trying to communicate with all the organizations. However, there is one which I am most intersted in. Lets say they will all accept me...Do I get to choose in which one I want to participate?..thanks B |
| 18:45.31 | |Kev| | That is the most likely outcome. |
| 18:46.03 | |Kev| | The orgs decide among themselves which would accept you - this will usually involve asking you, unless e.g. one org doesn't have a backup and the other does. |
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| 18:47.24 | BorisS1 | My situation is little bit more complicated because the one I do like the most does not communicate with me at all. Even the mailing list is empty. However, thank you so much for quick response. I will just take it that I would have a option to choose |
| 18:47.50 | gevaerts | You like the strong, silent type of organisation? :) |
| 18:49.48 | BorisS1 | I am not saying they will all accept me :) ...haha am not that good! just trying to think about possible scenarios :) |
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| 18:51.59 | BorisS1 | cheers for replies anyways ..gotta go off. Thanks |
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| 18:59.21 | laserbled | !logs |
| 18:59.22 | socinfo | laserbled: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
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| 19:09.03 | Ophiuchi | is there a method hiding somewhere to remove a mentor or admin from an org? |
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| 19:09.41 | gevaerts | Ophiuchi: Asking SRabbelier by email I guess |
| 19:09.51 | SRabbelier | !fix |
| 19:09.52 | socinfo | SRabbelier: "fix" is Send SRabbelier an email from the account you used for GSoC. Include your link_id and your desired status change. His email is his nick at gmail. |
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| 19:11.27 | harsh_ | yogi1: :) |
| 19:11.39 | yogi1 | harsh: :) |
| 19:11.57 | Ophiuchi | SRabbelier: thanks, I've handed that on. Does that scale? |
| 19:12.26 | SRabbelier | Ophiuchi: well enough5 |
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| 19:16.23 | dberkholz | that reminds me, there was some bug i was supposed to file. |
| 19:17.31 | dberkholz | something about a button |
| 19:17.39 | dberkholz | tries to figure out what it was |
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| 19:20.43 | harsh_ | yogi1: ^ ? |
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| 19:28.03 | chx | OK so how can I overrule our mentors if I can't give negative scores? |
| 19:28.57 | |Kev| | 'overrule'? |
| 19:28.57 | dberkholz | in the end, you explicitly pick which proposals to fund |
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| 19:29.14 | |Kev| | You don't need to change the scoring, just don't pick the projects when it's time to put them in slots. |
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| 19:31.33 | chx | Oh I explicitly need to pick?? |
| 19:31.54 | chx | interesting |
| 19:32.02 | chx | who does the picking? mentors? the admin? |
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| 19:32.44 | |Kev| | The Admins. |
| 19:32.58 | chx | Good. |
| 19:32.59 | chx | :) |
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| 19:33.35 | chx | we three can reach agreement fairly easily doing the same with the fourty-something mentor horde is not so easy :) |
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| 19:55.38 | SRabbelier | chx: glad you like our new way of accepting :) |
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| 20:04.10 | marcosroriz | is there any way for us (students) to know the number of applications that a org received? |
| 20:04.31 | marcosroriz | !next |
| 20:04.32 | socinfo | marcosroriz: "next" is April 22nd: 19:00 UTC - End of reviews, deduplication meeting on IRC |
| 20:04.37 | |Kev| | You can ask them. They may or may not tell you. |
| 20:05.11 | marcosroriz | hm |
| 20:05.16 | marcosroriz | They'll probably not tell |
| 20:05.20 | marcosroriz | :( |
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| 20:05.39 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: i filed the issue you requested about proposal modification |
| 20:05.41 | pvaibhav_ | in general the number of applicants = 3x number of slots |
| 20:05.50 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: ah, thanks |
| 20:05.57 | |Kev| | pvaibhav_: Interesting - source? |
| 20:06.04 | SRabbelier | !numapps |
| 20:06.05 | socinfo | SRabbelier: "numapps" is 417 mentoring orgs applied and 175 were accepted this year; 5474 proposals were submitted by 3731 students. In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and 151 were accepted; 5539 proposals were submitted by 3464 students, and 1026 were accepted. |
| 20:06.08 | SRabbelier | |Kev|: ^ |
| 20:06.11 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: i would've done it last night, but the computer i just got back from warranty repair died again in a different and frustrating way |
| 20:06.12 | pvaibhav_ | exactly |
| 20:06.16 | |Kev| | SRabbelier: That's a completely different figure. |
| 20:06.28 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: did you go f5u12? |
| 20:06.42 | |Kev| | That tells you the average number of applications per org is, not that each org typically has 3* as many applicants as slots. |
| 20:06.51 | SRabbelier | |Kev|: aah, true :) |
| 20:06.58 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: eh? |
| 20:07.14 | laserbled | depends on the idea mostly i think.....if its a popular 1 it gets more....other get a few |
| 20:07.15 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: five f's followed by 12 u's? |
| 20:07.40 | dberkholz | not quite, i just ranted on twitter and got their social-media person to say he'd help escalate |
| 20:07.58 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: +1 |
| 20:08.10 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: so sending it back again? |
| 20:08.23 | dberkholz | presumably. waiting on a response from him but i dunno what else could be done |
| 20:08.36 | dberkholz | not like i use this laptop every day at work or anything. |
| 20:08.53 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: saracasm? |
| 20:08.58 | SRabbelier | **sarcasm even |
| 20:09.04 | dberkholz | yep |
| 20:09.25 | dberkholz | having it out of commission for weeks on end is extremely frustrating, when you pay hundreds of dollars for an extended warranty |
| 20:10.46 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: yup |
| 20:10.52 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: I had the exact same thing |
| 20:11.07 | dberkholz | maybe next time i'll pop for the extra money for on-site repair |
| 20:11.28 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: you'd almost think the service is so crappy with that in mind |
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| 20:15.50 | cronco | !next |
| 20:15.51 | socinfo | cronco: "next" is April 22nd: 19:00 UTC - End of reviews, deduplication meeting on IRC |
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| 20:17.02 | Myth17 | what happens if an organisation gets lots of application for a proposal and not such response on others? |
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| 20:17.14 | gevaerts | For an idea you mean? |
| 20:17.24 | Myth17 | yup |
| 20:17.29 | gevaerts | may be too pedantic for his own good... |
| 20:17.45 | hiemanshu | dberkholz: what brand? |
| 20:17.50 | gevaerts | They *can* ask students to propose something else of course |
| 20:18.08 | gevaerts | But apart from that, lower their requested number of slots? |
| 20:20.21 | Myth17 | gevaerts, are you applying as a mentor or student? |
| 20:20.32 | gevaerts | I'm a mentor |
| 20:20.47 | Myth17 | gevaerts, i have an interesting incident to share... |
| 20:22.54 | Myth17 | gevaerts, what if say you apply as a student for a proposal and also propose to do some extra bit of work you had been doing as a contributor for a while, good enough, and just before the application deadline the org pops up your extra bit thing as a complete new proposal. what does this indicate? |
| 20:23.39 | gevaerts | s/proposal/idea/ again? |
| 20:24.11 | Myth17 | idea :) |
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| 20:24.34 | Myth17 | they put it up as a new idea |
| 20:25.19 | Myth17 | what will you make out from this gevaerts? |
| 20:25.19 | gevaerts | Hard to say |
| 20:26.40 | Myth17 | hmm |
| 20:26.48 | gevaerts | I don't think I can answer that without *really* knowing the context |
| 20:26.57 | Myth17 | could it mean that they want that work to be done and as your the only candidate applying for it and working on it, your sure to crack gsoc? ;) |
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| 20:27.38 | |Kev| | That would be largely pointless. |
| 20:27.50 | gevaerts | It could also mean that they really want this done, and they think the main chunk of your proposal would take all your time and you won't get to this |
| 20:27.57 | |Kev| | If they want the student to do the project, they'll just let the student do the project, they don't need to do any silly workaround. |
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| 20:28.38 | gevaerts | Or it could be a subtle hint to drop your main proposal and concentrate on this extra bit |
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| 20:29.34 | Myth17 | ahh dc :( |
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| 20:30.11 | Myth17 | |Kev|, how let the student do the project? can you explain? |
| 20:30.46 | |Kev| | I don't understand what you want explained. |
| 20:31.00 | |Kev| | If an org wants a student, they accept the student. That's it. |
| 20:31.23 | Myth17 | |Kev|, on what idea? even if the idea isnt there? |
| 20:31.36 | |Kev| | On whatever the student has in their proposal. |
| 20:31.36 | gevaerts | |Kev|: I suspect Myth17 is hinting that we might want to say things like "stealing ideas" |
| 20:31.53 | |Kev| | Or whatever they agree out of band with the student that they'll do instead. |
| 20:32.37 | SukhE | who is this dued? |
| 20:32.38 | dberkholz | hiemanshu: thinkpad |
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| 20:33.01 | nitish | gevaerts, nope. nothing like stealing ideas. :) |
| 20:33.30 | SukhE | Oops, wrong window :-) |
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| 20:35.53 | hiemanshu | dberkholz: you should rant at their manager and stuff, and they would most replace it or give you a refurbished one, I had issues with my HP laptop, and I got a refurb of a higher model |
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| 20:36.19 | hiemanshu | dberkholz: be sure to sound very pissed off |
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| 20:41.15 | tanayp | Any student needs some help with their project?(willing to do a profit share, PM me if you want to) |
| 20:42.12 | gevaerts | As in "Any student wants to break the rules and risk getting thrown out"? |
| 20:42.26 | chx | So how we will do the manual accepts? |
| 20:42.27 | aseem | lol |
| 20:42.27 | tanayp | gevaerts: thats why the PM |
| 20:42.43 | schumaml | tanayp: are you crazy? |
| 20:42.45 | AlexP | And you think it a good idea to offer this in a public logged channel? |
| 20:42.51 | AlexP | The official one no less |
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| 20:43.38 | tanayp | AlexP: Considering that I run the most profitable club in my college, why not? |
| 20:43.50 | aseem | ahan |
| 20:43.55 | AlexP | tanayp: Which is that? |
| 20:44.04 | tanayp | ISTE Manipal |
| 20:44.22 | AlexP | And they encourage this sort of behaviour do they? |
| 20:44.32 | tanayp | http://www.manipalblog.com/2011/04/workshops-in-mit-scam-or-not-should-we.html |
| 20:44.41 | tanayp | do a ctrl+F for ISTE |
| 20:44.52 | tanayp | They dont discourage it |
| 20:44.54 | aseem | tanayp: I am from Manipal. I really don't like the noob-ness you are showing. |
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| 20:44.58 | tanayp | IEEE,LUG are just loosers |
| 20:45.16 | chx | tanayp: so you are Nagrath Pranay...? |
| 20:45.25 | chx | tanayp: from MIT? |
| 20:45.47 | tanayp | na, not that guy |
| 20:45.52 | tanayp | Tanay Pratab |
| 20:45.52 | chx | tanayp: just so i know who i should look for help |
| 20:45.55 | tanayp | *p |
| 20:45.57 | chx | ah thanks. |
| 20:46.29 | AlexP | It's a good job I don't have ops |
| 20:46.37 | tanayp | why? |
| 20:46.44 | chx | because you should be banned from here? |
| 20:46.45 | AlexP | You would be banned |
| 20:46.48 | schumaml | is that an attempt to get all students from there disqualified? |
| 20:46.50 | |Kev| | SRabbelier: Could I borrow a @ for a second please? :) |
| 20:47.03 | SRabbelier | |Kev|: but of course |
| 20:47.14 | SRabbelier | why are we banning them? |
| 20:47.19 | tanayp | Considering that LUG considers all such projects collaborative efforts |
| 20:47.25 | chx | SRabbelier: [13:41] <tanayp> Any student needs some help with their project?(willing to do a profit share, PM me if you want to) |
| 20:47.26 | hiemanshu | SRabbelier: 00:41 < tanayp> Any student needs some help with their project?(willing to do a profit share, PM me if you want to) |
| 20:47.27 | AlexP | SRabbelier: "Any student needs some help with their project?(willing to do a profit share, PM me if you want to)" |
| 20:47.30 | |Kev| | SRabbelier: Advertising profitsharing on GSoC projects. |
| 20:47.39 | AlexP | haha, let's all spam SRabbelier :) |
| 20:47.41 | *** mode/#gsoc [+b tanayp!*@*] by SRabbelier |
| 20:47.44 | hiemanshu | :) |
| 20:47.54 | SRabbelier | he's using the web gateway |
| 20:47.59 | SRabbelier | so not sure how effective this will be |
| 20:48.02 | chx | SRabbelier: on a whole another note, how are we going to do the selection at the end? |
| 20:48.02 | SRabbelier | but eh... *shrug* |
| 20:48.05 | |Kev| | Thank-you kindly. |
| 20:48.10 | chx | SRabbelier: the web gateway has the ip in there |
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| 20:48.19 | schumaml | I guess this should be relayed to the mentors list? |
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| 20:48.47 | chx | schumaml: not sure what we can do about it |
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| 20:49.01 | chx | schumaml: but a mail to carols probably is necessary |
| 20:49.27 | |Kev| | A mail to Carols together with the IP, probably. |
| 20:49.34 | baer | SRabbelier: ban his ip |
| 20:49.37 | SRabbelier | |Kev|: not much she can do with the ip |
| 20:49.50 | SRabbelier | baer: you have it? |
| 20:49.55 | baer | *!01ba0cc5@* |
| 20:50.02 | baer | it's hex |
| 20:50.07 | AlexP | SRabbelier: The web gateway has the hex encoded ip in it |
| 20:50.10 | *** mode/#gsoc [+b *!01ba0cc5@*] by SRabbelier |
| 20:50.12 | gevaerts | It's not as if this is the first time this happens. It's just unusual that it's advertised in here |
| 20:50.16 | chx | [13:43] [Whois] tanayp is 01ba0cc5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.1.186.12.197 (1.186.12.197 - http://webchat.freenode.net) |
| 20:50.21 | chx | weird ip |
| 20:50.27 | akashm1990 | chx: that looks like my ip |
| 20:50.33 | akashm1990 | whats up with banning it? |
| 20:50.50 | gevaerts | hm, NAT? |
| 20:50.56 | akashm1990 | college LAN |
| 20:51.00 | gevaerts | right |
| 20:51.04 | schumaml | well, someone from google could check if this person is subscribed as a mentor, admin or student and do something about that |
| 20:51.10 | akashm1990 | seriously whats up? |
| 20:51.11 | SRabbelier | schumaml: we can't |
| 20:51.14 | SRabbelier | schumaml: no IP logs |
| 20:51.26 | SRabbelier | schumaml: also, akashm1990 says it's a college lan |
| 20:51.27 | chx | SRabbelier: we have his name and univ :D |
| 20:51.33 | SukhE | SRabbelier: You do know the name. |
| 20:51.35 | |Kev| | SRabbelier: He gave his name. Possibly wrongly, but we do have his University. |
| 20:51.39 | SRabbelier | chx: fake handle :-/ |
| 20:51.47 | chx | SRabbelier: can be :/ |
| 20:51.48 | gevaerts | akashm1990: "Any student needs some help with their project?(willing to do a profit share, PM me if you want to)" |
| 20:52.01 | gevaerts | akashm1990: probably someone near you then |
| 20:52.01 | chx | that'd be a very subtle attack though. |
| 20:52.15 | akashm1990 | and what was his name? |
| 20:52.21 | chx | akashm1990: do you know anyone called Tanay Pratap? is he a major profit hungry asshole? |
| 20:52.23 | gevaerts | SRabbelier: if that's a college LAN as akashm1990 says, maybe unban the IP again... |
| 20:52.28 | aseem | He is in my college. I will look into it. |
| 20:52.47 | akashm1990 | He is rumored to be running a scammy club |
| 20:52.58 | akashm1990 | havent really checked |
| 20:53.10 | gevaerts | Doesn't look like "rumoured" to me :) |
| 20:53.12 | aseem | ISTE |
| 20:53.12 | chx | he linked http://www.manipalblog.com/2011/04/workshops-in-mit-scam-or-not-should-we.html |
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| 20:53.19 | chx | veeery nice |
| 20:53.19 | aseem | is not scammy |
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| 20:53.52 | SRabbelier | I'll leave this to you guys |
| 20:53.55 | SRabbelier | email carols with whatever you find out |
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| 20:54.32 | chx | SRabbelier: on a whole another note, how are we going to do the selection at the end? |
| 20:54.34 | AlexP | Heh, this is turning into 4chan :) |
| 20:54.43 | AlexP | Hunting down his details and that :) |
| 20:54.49 | chx | SRabbelier: i heard rumours about manual selection as we can't negative score? |
| 20:54.51 | laserbled | there is fb profile of a guy with this name from the reffered college |
| 20:54.54 | aseem | SRabbelier : I can do a official college complaint against him ? |
| 20:55.10 | chx | aseem: come on you have no proof it was him |
| 20:55.20 | akashm1990 | unless it was a registered nick |
| 20:55.23 | aseem | He said his name. |
| 20:55.25 | akashm1990 | can someone check? |
| 20:55.33 | gevaerts | aseem: I could say that name... |
| 20:55.34 | |Kev| | akashm1990: You can, if you change your nick :) |
| 20:55.39 | SRabbelier | chx: see my email to the mentors list |
| 20:55.43 | akashm1990 | ok, i'll try |
| 20:55.53 | |Kev| | gevaerts: You could, or for half the money, you could get him to say it for you. |
| 20:55.54 | chx | SRabbelier: which one :D |
| 20:55.57 | AlexP | aseem: I don't think it serious enough for that |
| 20:56.06 | AlexP | It is just a pretty jerky thing to do |
| 20:56.11 | |Kev| | AlexP: Well, it *is* fraud. |
| 20:56.17 | SRabbelier | chx: about proposals :P |
| 20:56.25 | gevaerts | It's not registered |
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| 20:56.27 | Gabor_Bernat | what is a fraud _ |
| 20:56.29 | SRabbelier | chx: it's in an [Announce] from me I think |
| 20:56.31 | Gabor_Bernat | ? |
| 20:56.32 | aseem | AlexP: Not a very good thing to do, spoiling the University's name. |
| 20:56.42 | AlexP | |Kev|: You'd have to be very sure it was the right person though |
| 20:56.50 | AlexP | aseem: Oh, I certainly agree |
| 20:57.05 | |Kev| | AlexP: Two different things. Reporting him is silly. But it is a serious thing to try and do IMO. |
| 20:57.12 | Gabor_Bernat | from where can i access the log of this chat room ? ;;) |
| 20:57.19 | chx | !log |
| 20:57.19 | socinfo | chx: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified. |
| 20:57.26 | eoc` | !logs |
| 20:57.27 | socinfo | eoc`: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
| 20:57.29 | AlexP | |Kev|: Yes, you are right |
| 20:57.50 | akashm1990 | aseem: PM? |
| 20:57.59 | chx | SRabbelier: ok and that's expected to happen approximately when? truly not trying to rush you just trying to schedule things here? |
| 20:58.25 | SRabbelier | chx: the manual button (on the individual profile page) is already committed (not deployed) |
| 20:58.32 | SRabbelier | chx: the mass-update button tomorrow probably |
| 20:58.40 | SRabbelier | working on average scores now :) |
| 20:58.48 | |Kev| | <3 |
| 20:58.57 | SRabbelier | actually |
| 20:59.05 | chx | yay |
| 20:59.08 | SRabbelier | going to deploy to gsoc.appspot.com now for testing |
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| 21:02.05 | Gabor_Bernat | no today log :-? well I guess I'll have to wait for tomorrow to read back |
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| 21:22.39 | krkhan | i'm a student so i don't know if i can ask the question but does manual button mean organizations shall be selecting applicants manually instead of scoring the proposals? |
| 21:23.13 | AlexP | It is up to the org how they decide the project ranking |
| 21:23.13 | |Kev| | krkhan: It means orgs will score the proposals, but will then let the scoring inform, rather than dictate, who is selected. |
| 21:23.22 | |Kev| | In the common case. |
| 21:23.28 | AlexP | This'll just make it easier for them |
| 21:23.28 | |Kev| | The could choose not to score at all :) |
| 21:24.48 | bobbens | "the only way to win is to not play at all" |
| 21:24.51 | krkhan | ah thanks for the clarification. but then they'll be communicate the # of slots before selecting the proposals? |
| 21:25.07 | krkhan | s/communicate/communicated/ |
| 21:25.12 | |Kev| | krkhan: Yes. |
| 21:26.21 | krkhan | great. i can see how it simplifies things for the org. guess someone needs to update the "top-n proposals automatic selection" thing on wikipedia entry |
| 21:26.51 | krkhan | although, i'm not sure if anyone even cares for soc's wiki entry. it looks stale |
| 21:27.14 | gevaerts | It was never pure "top-n proposals automatic selection" really |
| 21:27.21 | gevaerts | Sure, that was how the mechanics worked, but... |
| 21:28.07 | SRabbelier | kapow |
| 21:28.09 | krkhan | i assume orgs could rank proposals after being communicated the # of slots? |
| 21:28.15 | SRabbelier | average score mapreduce complete |
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| 21:30.43 | krkhan | (rank = +/- score) |
| 21:31.23 | gevaerts | I doubt if you can find two orgs who do this the same way |
| 21:32.48 | SRabbelier | krkhan: wikipedia...? |
| 21:33.32 | SRabbelier | krkhan: what page? |
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| 21:34.55 | krkhan | SRabbelier: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code |
| 21:34.58 | SRabbelier | updates |
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| 21:37.30 | krkhan | i wish someone with wiki editing experience would update the history section. to an outsider, it gives the impression that the program lost steam after 08 (~20 lines for 2005, ~20 for 2006, ~10 for 07, ~10 for 08, 2 for 09 and 1 for 10 and 11) |
| 21:38.34 | SRabbelier | krkhan: done |
| 21:39.38 | SRabbelier | krkhan: agreed |
| 21:40.59 | krkhan | SRabbelier: i think the whole section needs a rewrite. most of the stuff mentioned there can be put into a neat table reserving the text for something else. unfortuantely, i cant figure out what something else would be |
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| 21:42.03 | SRabbelier | krkhan: well, a lot of that prose doesn't really fit in table form |
| 21:42.33 | krkhan | SRabbelier: most of it is about the dates, # of projects accepted, completion rates etc. |
| 21:42.53 | cemycc | The list with the number of students for every org will be public ? |
| 21:42.57 | krkhan | for example, the entire 2007 entry is just stats |
| 21:43.29 | SRabbelier | krkhan: except the lsat bit ;) |
| 21:43.39 | SRabbelier | cemycc: maybe? |
| 21:43.56 | krkhan | also, i dont really get the reason behind putting soc's technical issues on wiki. the chris apology or not selected statuses for 07 |
| 21:45.51 | SRabbelier | krkhan: historical info :P |
| 21:45.54 | SRabbelier | but, yeah, maybe ^^ |
| 21:46.00 | SRabbelier | is not a WP editor |
| 21:46.21 | krkhan | how about sections such as impact/legacy/criticism etc. |
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| 21:46.55 | krkhan | SRabbelier: lol im sorry for bombarding you with wiki troubles |
| 21:47.46 | SRabbelier | krkhan: hehe, np |
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| 22:22.49 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: it would be nice to add org-based dropdowns for the mentor/admin fields too |
| 22:23.05 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: que? |
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| 22:23.11 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: oh! |
| 22:23.16 | dberkholz | on the dashboard, in the members table |
| 22:23.39 | dberkholz | and possibly switch over to shortname like the top one |
| 22:23.42 | dberkholz | bbiab, dinner |
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| 22:44.44 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: short_name switch done |
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| 22:55.02 | SRabbelier | I'm running into a problem with the additional column idea |
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| 22:55.41 | loufoque | is it not possible to give negative ratings anymore? |
| 22:56.38 | _wolf_ | what sort of problem SRabbelier ? |
| 22:56.52 | SRabbelier | loufoque: corret |
| 22:56.58 | SRabbelier | **correct, even |
| 22:57.03 | SRabbelier | _wolf_: multiple orgs are displayed in one list |
| 22:57.04 | loufoque | why is that? |
| 22:57.45 | _wolf_ | SRabbelier, ah right, I see the problem |
| 22:57.54 | SRabbelier | _wolf_: which each can have their own fields |
| 22:57.55 | loufoque | there is no way to distinguish bad proposals from unrated ones otherwise |
| 22:58.10 | SRabbelier | loufoque: so, give them 1 star if they're bad? |
| 22:58.14 | _wolf_ | what about one list per org? I'm pretty sure it would be appreciated? |
| 22:58.52 | loufoque | SRabbelier: if all mentors review it and give it 1 star, it could end up as 10 stars for example |
| 22:58.54 | SRabbelier | _wolf_: you would like that in general? |
| 22:58.58 | SRabbelier | loufoque: so? |
| 22:59.02 | SRabbelier | loufoque: average would be 1 wouldn't it? |
| 22:59.06 | _wolf_ | SRabbelier, I would |
| 22:59.18 | SRabbelier | _wolf_: you'd have a lot of lists :P |
| 22:59.20 | loufoque | SRabbelier: while a good proposal with only one review would end up as 4 or 5 stars |
| 22:59.43 | SRabbelier | loufoque: right, so the same could happen in the old system |
| 22:59.49 | loufoque | SRabbelier: and you can't ask all mentors to review all projects, since it's not necessarily their area |
| 22:59.50 | _wolf_ | SRabbelier, , it would be confusing to have all in one list. Good thing I have only one org this year :P |
| 23:00.04 | SRabbelier | loufoque: a -1 can either mean someone with one -2 vote, or someone with 10 times a 1 and two -6 |
| 23:00.14 | SRabbelier | _wolf_: you can filter per org |
| 23:00.18 | _wolf_ | maybe a tab or similar per org? |
| 23:00.26 | SRabbelier | _wolf_: and it shows you which org a proposal is for :) |
| 23:00.37 | _wolf_ | SRabbelier, true, I'd endup always filtering |
| 23:00.40 | SRabbelier | loufoque: again, average |
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| 23:01.27 | _wolf_ | otoh I don't mind scrolling if each org section would be marked clearly |
| 23:01.33 | loufoque | SRabbelier: the difference is that with negative scores, at any point of the review process you have a meaningful ranking, with only positive scores you only have one at the end |
| 23:01.38 | _wolf_ | perhaps collapsable? |
| 23:02.02 | SRabbelier | _wolf_: mhhhh... |
| 23:02.06 | SRabbelier | loufoque: why? |
| 23:02.17 | SRabbelier | loufoque: the average is meaningful at all times |
| 23:03.28 | _wolf_ | SRabbelier, just my thoughts. Because the column thingy would be sooo very useful for an umbrella |
| 23:03.50 | SRabbelier | _wolf_: that's why I'm adding it this weekend ^^ |
| 23:05.37 | _wolf_ | I'll also choclate you! |
| 23:05.58 | _wolf_ | what was your favorite flavour again? |
| 23:06.07 | loufoque | SRabbelier: I have 60 proposals. I review one, it's good, I give it a 4. I review another one, it's bad, I give it a 1. Yet it is ranked 2nd on 60, while at this point in time it is the worst I have seen yet. |
| 23:06.14 | SRabbelier | _wolf_: caramel :D |
| 23:06.27 | SRabbelier | loufoque: so what? |
| 23:06.34 | SRabbelier | loufoque: the other ones are unranked |
| 23:06.35 | _wolf_ | makes a note. Caramel chocolate for SRabbelier |
| 23:06.40 | SRabbelier | loufoque: there's nothing sensible you can say about their rank |
| 23:06.45 | SRabbelier | loufoque: the one at position 2 is in _last_ |
| 23:07.00 | SRabbelier | loufoque: the other ones don't exist as far as the ranking goes |
| 23:07.04 | SRabbelier | _wolf_: most kind ^^ |
| 23:07.20 | loufoque | I could fairly quickly identify bad proposals and throw them towards the last ranks |
| 23:07.34 | loufoque | it's much more difficult ranking good/very good proposals |
| 23:07.41 | _wolf_ | loufoque, there is the ignore button... |
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| 23:07.50 | dberkholz | it is a bit tricky to identify the ones you haven't ranked yet, but other than that the averages should fix most issues |
| 23:08.25 | SRabbelier | loufoque: if you allow negative scoring it's actually impossible to see from the score whether the proposal has been rated at all or not |
| 23:08.47 | sonney2k | SRabbelier, is it somehow possible to show the average score instead of sum(scores) |
| 23:08.50 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: it's ready to go live as soon as I write the tests, doing that tomorrow |
| 23:08.53 | SRabbelier | sonney2k: ^ |
| 23:09.09 | loufoque | oh it's average not cumulative |
| 23:09.14 | loufoque | sorry for not realizing this |
| 23:09.22 | SRabbelier | loufoque: I've been sayign that for like, the past 10 minutes :P |
| 23:09.24 | loufoque | despite having been told ;) |
| 23:09.29 | SRabbelier | right :P |
| 23:09.44 | dberkholz | loufoque: it's currently cumulative, average will appear as well in the very near future... |
| 23:10.26 | SRabbelier | _wolf_: I think I'm going to keep it a single list for now, but brainstorm with Mario about hiding these columns depending on the filter |
| 23:10.33 | dberkholz | what will still be missing is a way to see how the scores are distributed. is everybody "meh" about a proposal, or are there people who love it and hate it |
| 23:10.44 | dberkholz | both could result in a mid-range score |
| 23:11.12 | _wolf_ | SRabbelier, hmm that might work. So binding columns no to otgs, but to the filter instead? |
| 23:11.22 | dberkholz | so whenever you're bored, either adding the standard deviation or showing a little histogram would be nifty =D |
| 23:11.25 | SRabbelier | _wolf_: to the org filter I mean |
| 23:11.38 | SRabbelier | _wolf_: so if you select "Melange" in the dropdown, it hides all the extra columns that are not for Melange |
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| 23:11.54 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: the latter is planned |
| 23:11.58 | _wolf_ | SRabbelier, cool! |
| 23:12.01 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: stdev not |
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| 23:12.24 | SRabbelier | _wolf_: but will have to talk to Mario about that, I'm pretty sure we can pull it off with some trickery, but we'll have to see |
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| 23:13.03 | _wolf_ | SRabbelier, ack. Waiting in suspension for wizardry |
| 23:13.22 | SRabbelier | _wolf_: Mirrors will probably be involved, some smoke no doubt. |
| 23:13.34 | sonney2k | SRabbelier, so it will be comming - yay! |
| 23:13.40 | _wolf_ | oh dark or milk choco, btw? |
| 23:13.55 | SRabbelier | sonney2k: ETA tomorrow noon |
| 23:14.06 | sonney2k | SRabbelier, I think there should be one table per organization / otherwise it is a mess |
| 23:14.10 | SRabbelier | _wolf_: either is fine, it's the caramels that makes it awesome :) |
| 23:14.27 | SRabbelier | sonney2k: so what I was saying is that it will hide the columns that aren't for the organization that's filtered on |
| 23:14.27 | _wolf_ | OK :D |
| 23:14.35 | SRabbelier | sonney2k: and if no organization is filtered on it doesn't show them at all |
| 23:14.43 | dberkholz | the whole thing would get a lot simpler if dashboards were by roles instead of people |
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| 23:14.55 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: clarify? |
| 23:15.15 | sonney2k | SRabbelier, that is a good idea too... some kind of 'select org' and then show the table based on that only |
| 23:15.17 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: we had that before, and we decided to get rid of it :P |
| 23:15.28 | SRabbelier | sonney2k: it's already there ;) |
| 23:15.30 | SRabbelier | sonney2k: the select org I mean |
| 23:16.16 | dberkholz | so "gentoo org admin" would be a role different from "x.org org admin" different from "gentoo mentor". when you went to dashboard, you'd pick the role and everything else would fall out |
| 23:16.16 | SRabbelier | sonney2k: click the "show/hide columns" in the bottom left |
| 23:16.16 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: we wanted everything available at a glance |
| 23:16.16 | SRabbelier | :( |
| 23:16.16 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: trade-off I suppose |
| 23:16.16 | sonney2k | SRabbelier, totally obvious :) |
| 23:16.16 | SRabbelier | sonney2k: no lie |
| 23:17.24 | SRabbelier | sonney2k: if you have any suggestions on how to make that a lot more obvious, that'd be most welcome ;) |
| 23:18.25 | sonney2k | SRabbelier, well at least add some help text on how to do that on top of the table |
| 23:18.35 | SRabbelier | sonney2k: meh |
| 23:18.38 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: yeah, i understand the concept. i don't really approach actions that way myself. i end up iterating through dropdowns anyhow â don't wanna rate gentoo proposals the same time as x.org, for example |
| 23:18.56 | dberkholz | it might make more sense to people who work differently |
| 23:19.12 | loufoque | stupid question, but students can reply to public comments, right? |
| 23:19.14 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: is there anything you can't do in the current approach that you could before? |
| 23:19.16 | SRabbelier | loufoque: yes |
| 23:19.42 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: nah, i can generally type stuff into the table to restrict however i want, once i find the right thing to type |
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| 23:20.35 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: what do you mean with the latter? |
| 23:20.44 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: (I've already asked Mario to make the lists remember your filters) |
| 23:22.12 | dberkholz | i used to do the 'needs action' stuff by typing "no" into the request list |
| 23:22.26 | dberkholz | into that little restriction box at the top of the table |
| 23:23.38 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: ah ^^ |
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| 23:32.53 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: i will say though that arbitrary fields will be great. we keep separate spreadsheets of stuff already |
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| 23:33.05 | SRabbelier | nods |
| 23:33.12 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: that's why I'm adding them |
| 23:33.21 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: to eliminate the need to keep a spearate spreadsheet |
| 23:33.33 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: even better would be a way to "create" students before they've applied and associate the data to their proposal later |
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| 23:33.42 | dberkholz | we start tracking from first contact |
| 23:34.04 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: even before student application starts? |
| 23:36.32 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: org acceptance would be best |
| 23:38.22 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: hmm |
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| 23:41.30 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: or just year-round, make melange like a CRM for open source, and then link the data to specific "events" like gsoc 2011, gci 2010, etc |
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| 23:41.52 | SRabbelier | holds head in hands |
| 23:42.26 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: i'm just trying to think big for the future of your project =D |
| 23:43.04 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: you're worse than lh |
| 23:43.33 | SRabbelier | (or better, depending on yoru POV) |
| 23:43.59 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: imagine if melange were a one-stop shop for every new oss contributor. stored ideas for new folks and info on them for organizations |
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| 23:44.26 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: you mean like... what's that site, :P |
| 23:44.39 | dberkholz | openhatch |
| 23:44.42 | SRabbelier | yeah |
| 23:44.44 | SRabbelier | the very same |
| 23:44.49 | dberkholz | but useful =P |
| 23:45.59 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: I'd rather not dilute the ecosystem further :P |
| 23:48.22 | dberkholz | OH was confusing from my end and not useful for the crm-like stuff |
| 23:48.59 | SRabbelier | heh |
| 23:49.04 | SRabbelier | good thing Melange isn't confusing at all, right :D |
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