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| 00:42.49 | cash | !logs |
| 00:42.49 | gsocbot | cash: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
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| 00:47.11 | LetterRip | anyone recall that site that has a tutorial for getting started with common opensource tools (svn, etc.) |
| 00:49.24 | scorche|sh | me thinks there are a lot of them ;) |
| 00:49.44 | LetterRip | no there is a really good education site that covers all of the common tools |
| 00:49.54 | LetterRip | was discussed at the mentors summit |
| 00:49.56 | LetterRip | as well |
| 00:50.06 | scorche|sh | ah, that one |
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| 00:58.22 | nishmu | LetterRip: Still recalling? |
| 00:58.38 | LetterRip | unfortunately google isn't turning it up for me |
| 00:58.56 | LetterRip | i think there was a mention on the mentors list |
| 00:58.59 | LetterRip | but can't find it |
| 00:59.03 | LetterRip | tis driving me nuts :) |
| 00:59.06 | nishmu | I guess I have one nice one for one of your keywords #svn http://betterexplained.com/articles/a-visual-guide-to-version-control/ |
| 00:59.25 | nishmu | http://www.shakthimaan.com/downloads.html was discused here few days ago |
| 01:00.18 | nishmu | this seems nice too http://rpmduplex.net/ravi/getting-started-oss.html |
| 01:00.38 | LetterRip | that might be it |
| 01:00.41 | LetterRip | thanks |
| 01:00.51 | nishmu | yw :) |
| 01:01.09 | LetterRip | hmm nope |
| 01:01.15 | LetterRip | although i do like the visual guide |
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| 01:02.12 | nishmu | earlier today i was asking if technical sourses has any chapters included on vcs and build systems, but did not get any replies |
| 01:03.07 | nishmu | because here, we during our 4 year cs course, not a single page talks about cvs or build systems like cmake autotools |
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| 01:03.56 | LetterRip | right - that was the reason for the page that i was talking about |
| 01:04.11 | LetterRip | it covers version managmenet software, proejct management software, diff |
| 01:04.18 | LetterRip | and other commonly used open source tools |
| 01:04.29 | LetterRip | alas it must not have a very googleable name :) |
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| 01:05.19 | nishmu | LetterRip: wait, i am telling it is so in other countries, I am actually asking if other coutnries have those materials in thier technical curriculum |
| 01:05.46 | nishmu | s/i am *asking* if it is so |
| 01:05.50 | LetterRip | ah - no idea, i think most countries only cover algorithms and basic compilier usage |
| 01:05.56 | nishmu | hmm |
| 01:06.01 | LetterRip | and some do cover a bit of project maangement |
| 01:06.31 | LetterRip | hmm might have been this project - https://openhatch.org/missions/ |
| 01:06.38 | LetterRip | but coulda sworn there was moe |
| 01:06.40 | nishmu | LetterRip: Yeah we have a whole course on software management and doesnt talk about cvs. |
| 01:06.40 | LetterRip | more |
| 01:06.59 | nishmu | yep nice one |
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| 01:35.03 | greeniekin | !slots |
| 01:35.03 | gsocbot | greeniekin: "slots" is Slot allocation is done manually by Chris DiBona and Carol Smith, be a good org, play nice on the mentor list and #gsoc, ask for a non-crazy-high number of slots, and you'll probably get what you ask. Note that non-crazy-high for new orgs is around 1 or 2. |
| 01:35.26 | greeniekin | !numapps |
| 01:35.26 | gsocbot | greeniekin: "numapps" is 417 mentoring orgs applied and 175 were accepted this year; 5474 proposals were submitted by 3731 students. In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and 151 were accepted; 5539 proposals were submitted by 3464 students, and 1026 were accepted. |
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| 01:45.00 | saksham | Note that non-crazy-high for new orgs is around 1 or 2. =-O |
| 01:45.10 | saksham | why so less for new orgs? :( |
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| 01:46.24 | saksham | !slots |
| 01:46.25 | gsocbot | saksham: "slots" is Slot allocation is done manually by Chris DiBona and Carol Smith, be a good org, play nice on the mentor list and #gsoc, ask for a non-crazy-high number of slots, and you'll probably get what you ask. Note that non-crazy-high for new orgs is around 1 or 2. |
| 01:46.43 | eugene | what's the meaning of non-crazy-high? |
| 01:46.52 | mayanks43 | lol |
| 01:47.24 | Basher91 | saksham: my assumption would be so that they can get a feel for how gsoc works and don't get overwhelmed by the number of students they take on |
| 01:47.55 | hypatia | we had 5 students the first time i participated and i agree that it was crazy-high |
| 01:47.56 | hypatia | hehe |
| 01:48.06 | dberkholz | 17:06 < carols@> solardiz: im ok with that. if you're new i want to make sure that you're going to do a good job with those students and number of proposals received has no bearing on how you're going to perform with those students this summer. |
| 01:48.16 | dberkholz | saksham: ^^ |
| 01:48.31 | LetterRip | saksham - because new orgs often have difficulty with mentoring, drastically underestimating how much time it takes |
| 01:48.34 | LetterRip | and effort |
| 01:48.40 | saksham | but surely no. of proposals counts for something! |
| 01:48.56 | eugene | hypatia: ok I sort of get that now. |
| 01:49.05 | mayanks43 | just increases competition ;) |
| 01:49.07 | LetterRip | saksham - like juggling you need to start with a few balls |
| 01:49.16 | hypatia | LetterRip is spot on |
| 01:49.17 | LetterRip | and once you master that work your way up |
| 01:50.09 | LetterRip | saksham - also new orgs tend to have lower barriers to proposing - experienced orgs usually have a patch requirement, etc. - so the new orgs get flooded |
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| 01:53.21 | dberkholz | saksham: the first year is a test of you, and only after that is it just a test of your students =) |
| 01:53.48 | eugene_gmt-plus8 | saksham: which org are you representing for/ |
| 01:54.33 | saksham | actually I'm a student who's applied to a new org |
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| 01:55.07 | saksham | (SETIQuest) |
| 01:55.13 | LetterRip | saksham ah i c |
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| 04:31.48 | chx | there is no flamewar tonight on mentor list. i miss my daily flamewar. |
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| 04:47.38 | greeniekin | can non mentors be on mentor list? |
| 04:47.59 | svaksha | not afaik |
| 04:48.01 | chx | hope not |
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| 05:03.17 | valorie | chx, wanna fight? |
| 05:03.19 | valorie | :-) |
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| 05:05.47 | Mathnerd314 | what was the subject of the previous flamewar? |
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| 05:14.13 | valorie | welcoming more women into projects and GSoC, I guess |
| 05:14.23 | valorie | flamelets about slots and etc. |
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| 05:19.48 | jinu__ | what is the need of resubmit proposal? |
| 05:20.15 | DarthGandalf | !resubmit |
| 05:20.15 | gsocbot | DarthGandalf: "resubmit" is You can resubmit your proposal if you accidently clicked withdraw . Withdrawing and resubmitting doesn't allow you to modify your proposal |
| 05:21.33 | jinu__ | gsocbot: only after withdraw? |
| 05:22.01 | svaksha | valorie: how did that subject even come up? |
| 05:22.15 | SukhE | jinu__: Put simply, if you didn't click 'Withdraw', there is no need to worry about 'Resubmit' |
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| 05:23.52 | jinu__ | ok thanks... |
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| 05:28.05 | valorie | svaksha: someone mentioned it, I asked for suggestions, flames ensued |
| 05:28.14 | valorie | most of the discussion off-list |
| 05:28.52 | valorie | I think we sort of doused the flames, but also our enthusiasm for the discussion |
| 05:29.21 | valorie | it really sucks to hear, "everything is OK the way it is, shut up and enjoy it" |
| 05:29.21 | hypatia | it's not really the right time to be having it |
| 05:29.31 | hypatia | i mean, i would not normally say that |
| 05:29.40 | valorie | I didn't realize that there was another list |
| 05:29.40 | hypatia | but it's actually too late for this year, so |
| 05:29.44 | valorie | of course |
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| 05:29.56 | valorie | I was speaking generally, and looking to the future |
| 05:30.20 | hypatia | nods |
| 05:31.00 | jinu_ | how to know proposal status? |
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| 05:31.47 | valorie | jinu_: you cannot until the announcements are made |
| 05:32.00 | valorie | all the students are in the same situation |
| 05:32.05 | valorie | everyone must wait |
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| 05:33.42 | valorie | hypatia - I'm new, and made a newbie mistake |
| 05:33.48 | svaksha | valorie: *ouch*. Are you on the WFS list? This question had been asked there and I recall mentioning that this was something individual projects had to self-initiate. Gsoc cant do much more than create a support platform |
| 05:33.50 | valorie | apologies all around |
| 05:34.00 | valorie | WFS? |
| 05:34.13 | svaksha | valorie: i'm not there so its ok :) |
| 05:34.14 | hypatia | the FSF's women in free softwar elist |
| 05:34.20 | svaksha | women in free software |
| 05:34.26 | valorie | no, I'm not on that |
| 05:34.36 | valorie | sounds like a good one |
| 05:34.40 | hypatia | i disagree that there's nothing gsoc can do |
| 05:34.51 | hypatia | but i'm tired and don't have specific suggestions :/ |
| 05:35.01 | svaksha | valorie: doh, i added you to the planetaria and didnt realise you were not on the list |
| 05:35.36 | svaksha | hypatia: i meant, it cant be forced top-down, unless the Org cares enough to do something |
| 05:35.52 | valorie | I was thinking more at the org level anyway |
| 05:35.54 | hypatia | well, no, but that's not the same thing as gsoc not trying :) |
| 05:35.56 | valorie | GSoC is great |
| 05:36.04 | valorie | and Carol seems overworked as it is |
| 05:36.42 | svaksha | impo, the initiative needs to be from the community side for long-term sustainability |
| 05:37.01 | svaksha | valorie: exactly, you cant expect one person the handle the load |
| 05:37.46 | greeniekin | is this the inappropriate behaviour discussion from yesterday? |
| 05:38.26 | hypatia | only vaguely |
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| 05:39.07 | svaksha | greeniekin: nah, i was wondering why there were flames because chx missed the flamewars :P |
| 05:39.12 | svaksha | heh |
| 05:39.12 | valorie | I obviously live a sheltered life -- I did not expect the flames from the mentors |
| 05:39.31 | svaksha | valorie: welcome to Floss :) |
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| 05:39.46 | hypatia | valorie: the mentors list is a fairly representative sample of FOSS, what can i say :/ |
| 05:39.47 | valorie | I'll recover |
| 05:40.17 | greeniekin | i've never seen bad behaviour in orgs i've been in. Though that really only includes blender and reactos |
| 05:40.31 | valorie | KDE is neato |
| 05:40.44 | valorie | for the most part Ubuntu is also |
| 05:40.58 | valorie | and kubuntu rocks |
| 05:41.15 | svaksha | greeniekin: in international communities its less, but I cant say the same for local spaces, some of which are troll-pits |
| 05:41.52 | svaksha | and for a lot of people the local community is the first step |
| 05:42.15 | greeniekin | do you mean local country? |
| 05:42.20 | svaksha | yes |
| 05:42.34 | valorie | well, I will not hang out in #gslug |
| 05:42.40 | greeniekin | i would have though release it on the net would attract people from everywhere |
| 05:42.45 | valorie | which is for Greater Seattle |
| 05:43.01 | hypatia | valorie: is that on freenode? |
| 05:43.09 | valorie | and the reason is is allowed to be sexist is "freedom" |
| 05:43.11 | valorie | yes |
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| 05:43.36 | greeniekin | though freedom means we can call them names too :P |
| 05:43.40 | hypatia | freedom of speech isn't 1) an obligation to be an asshole or 2) freedom from criticism |
| 05:43.48 | svaksha | greeniekin: boo :/ |
| 05:43.55 | greeniekin | lol |
| 05:44.13 | valorie | right, I just wasn't up to the level of sarcasm necessary |
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| 05:44.27 | greeniekin | no. i generally just ignore people if i dont like them |
| 05:44.28 | valorie | one of these days I'll drink acid and stop in |
| 05:44.30 | valorie | lol |
| 05:44.38 | hypatia | valorie: we'll form a posse :) |
| 05:44.50 | hypatia | also i hear the seattle open source meetups are nice |
| 05:45.06 | valorie | if all the seattle-area women were there en-masse, they might behave |
| 05:45.10 | valorie | who knows |
| 05:45.15 | valorie | boys...... |
| 05:45.38 | valorie | hypatia: I haven't made it to one of them |
| 05:45.42 | valorie | but I really should |
| 05:45.47 | svaksha | valorie: not necessarily. |
| 05:45.59 | greeniekin | valorie, minority of boys. People say it's only the anooying people that get noticed |
| 05:46.09 | valorie | well, individually most of them seem ok |
| 05:46.34 | valorie | but their boy's club online is ..... |
| 05:46.36 | valorie | bah |
| 05:46.39 | svaksha | valorie: i know many men who dislike the creepiness but still dont speakup against it, so its harder for women |
| 05:46.46 | valorie | right |
| 05:47.02 | valorie | and that is one of the things that must change |
| 05:47.15 | valorie | we need feminist men partners |
| 05:47.31 | valorie | we'll get there eventually |
| 05:47.40 | valorie | I'm not giving up |
| 05:47.47 | svaksha | fear of ostracisation, need to fit in, may result in silence, irrespective of gender |
| 05:47.52 | valorie | right |
| 05:47.57 | thebolt | Morning |
| 05:48.22 | hypatia | greeniekin: no-one's arguing that it's a majority. |
| 05:49.02 | hypatia | a majority of communities have asshole members, i'd wager, but it's hard to have anything to call a "community" if it's too full of assholes |
| 05:49.24 | greeniekin | valorie, i dislike the die hard femminests. Because they often go to far and generelise way too much. I am a nice guy and i feel like they are accusing me |
| 05:49.32 | valorie | why? |
| 05:49.39 | valorie | why do you feel accused? |
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| 05:49.54 | hypatia | greeniekin: if you're not an asshole, it's not about you. |
| 05:49.54 | valorie | a feminist is anyone who believes in equality |
| 05:50.04 | hypatia | making it about you is kind of a douchebag move. |
| 05:50.39 | valorie | I personally am "die hard" if by that you mean i will die believing I'm human |
| 05:51.23 | greeniekin | I agree. equility is good. |
| 05:51.35 | valorie | so, you are a feminist |
| 05:51.38 | valorie | own that |
| 05:51.57 | kblin | morning folks |
| 05:52.00 | greeniekin | I don't think men have any less right though |
| 05:52.04 | kblin | and whoa |
| 05:52.10 | kblin | reads scrollback |
| 05:52.13 | valorie | and no one is saying that they do? |
| 05:52.18 | valorie | really, who is? |
| 05:52.55 | thebolt | hi kblin |
| 05:53.02 | greeniekin | i know. i just think the name feminism is strange. I understand in history it was really bad. |
| 05:53.14 | valorie | hmmm |
| 05:53.19 | valorie | not in my book |
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| 05:54.14 | greeniekin | i think the new cause of 21 centuary should equilitism. fight for everyones equilty |
| 05:54.14 | valorie | not sure what history you have been reading, either |
| 05:54.28 | valorie | of course |
| 05:54.33 | valorie | and that is what is happening |
| 05:54.50 | valorie | the present system is oppressive to all but the rich and powerful |
| 05:55.03 | valorie | men, women, children, the poor, etc. |
| 05:55.20 | valorie | and it has us fighting one another rather than linking up |
| 05:55.41 | valorie | which is why I love the idea of foss |
| 05:55.46 | greeniekin | I agree |
| 05:55.52 | valorie | linking in an equal way |
| 05:56.12 | valorie | leave your privilege at the door |
| 05:56.50 | hypatia | is out of 101 for the night. laterz |
| 05:57.05 | valorie | sleep well, hypatia |
| 05:57.17 | kblin | valorie: actually, (I'm a bit late to the discussion), I hope the mentors list is a representative sample of FOSS |
| 05:57.19 | greeniekin | what i meant before. is some people think anti-racism-sexism is just making accusations. and do it when there was no intent and refuse to accept an apologies |
| 05:57.44 | valorie | well, I try not to be ANTI |
| 05:57.47 | kblin | er |
| 05:57.48 | valorie | and more PRO |
| 05:57.54 | valorie | pro-equality |
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| 05:57.59 | kblin | _not_ a representative sample |
| 05:58.01 | valorie | pro-politeness |
| 05:58.10 | kblin | dammit, I clearly need a coffee |
| 05:58.12 | valorie | pro-helpfulness |
| 05:58.21 | greeniekin | like i said before. The people who misbehave stand out. eg boys,feminism. which is a shame they give each of us a bad name |
| 05:58.24 | valorie | slides a coffee down the bar to kblin |
| 05:58.49 | kblin | but it tends to get harsher than a lot of other communities I know |
| 05:58.52 | valorie | I'm sorry, I fail to see how "feminists" are mis-behaving? |
| 05:58.52 | thebolt | kblin: i am with you there.. got home from office at midnight and in bed at 1:20 (damn skype..) but no coffee until i get back to office ;) |
| 05:59.19 | valorie | since you have identified as a feminist |
| 05:59.29 | valorie | you are pro-equality |
| 06:00.09 | kblin | anyway, need to get myself to work (and coffee) |
| 06:00.17 | kblin | back in a bit |
| 06:00.23 | greeniekin | valorie, well they are not true femminists. they are possers. Just like some of the guys you've met. they are possers. and i will not call them men :P |
| 06:00.34 | valorie | ok |
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| 06:00.53 | valorie | there are assholes in every group, I suppose |
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| 06:10.15 | alokdrocks_ | I ahve appliied for GSOC 2011 with Minix3, but my proposal is not perfect where i send my complete idea? |
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| 06:11.55 | valorie | alokdrocks_: too late; the deadline for proposals was almost a week ago |
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| 06:12.51 | valorie | on the other hand, if you are in discussion with your probable mentors, |
| 06:13.01 | valorie | they may accept your changes |
| 06:13.04 | hypatia | alokdrocks_: you can ask the project to reopen it for editing |
| 06:13.16 | alokdrocks_ | valorie: yes but i have replied by Eric |
| 06:13.20 | valorie | but you had better be talking to them directly |
| 06:13.42 | valorie | I don't know who Eric might be |
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| 06:13.50 | valorie | but your project is in charge right now |
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| 06:40.08 | nickbarnesccf | morning all. |
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| 06:43.06 | ajedwards | morning nickbarnesccf :) |
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| 06:43.28 | nickbarnesccf | ajedwards: 10 days left. |
| 06:44.26 | ajedwards | Can't wait - I'm a wreck! I really want my proposal to be accepted. |
| 06:45.09 | ajedwards | it doesn't help that I was snowed under with coursework while trying to write it i guess... but oh well |
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| 06:48.43 | |Kev| | SRabbelier: You rang? |
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| 07:07.41 | kai | morning |
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| 07:08.24 | |Kev| | Morning Kai. |
| 07:08.54 | ajedwards | gm! |
| 07:08.55 | SRabbelier | |Kev|: too late! :D |
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| 07:09.44 | SRabbelier | custom columns are live! |
| 07:10.01 | kai | man, we clearly need more computers |
| 07:10.06 | kai | it's way too cold |
| 07:10.17 | thebolt | hi kai et al |
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| 07:19.34 | zfe | hi |
| 07:19.42 | zfe | did they announce slots already? |
| 07:19.46 | SRabbelier | no takers for custom columns? |
| 07:19.48 | SRabbelier | zfe: yes |
| 07:19.55 | zfe | is it possible to check? |
| 07:20.05 | zfe | i mean, are they publicly available? |
| 07:20.13 | svaksha | for mentors |
| 07:20.34 | ajed|mac | that's a point, can i ask how many slots my org got? |
| 07:21.49 | nickbarnesccf | ajed|mac: you can ask the org. |
| 07:22.00 | |Kev| | ajed|mac: It should be shown on the dashboard, assuming you're not a student. |
| 07:22.19 | ajed|mac | |Kev|, :) I'm a student |
| 07:22.39 | svaksha | ajed|mac: they might not want to tell, so be prepared for that possibility :) |
| 07:22.45 | |Kev| | Then you can ask. They may or may not tell you. |
| 07:23.25 | dfighter | can't wait for the 25th |
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| 07:23.29 | ajed|mac | they don't irc normally or i would - seems a bit forward to send them an email |
| 07:24.15 | thiago | slot counts may change, which is why orgs are sometimes reticent to share the number |
| 07:24.17 | SRabbelier | !patience | ajed|mac |
| 07:24.17 | gsocbot | ajed|mac: "patience" is Patience is very important in GSoC/GCI. Relax and go code something useful. |
| 07:24.46 | ajed|mac | SRabbelier, :) |
| 07:25.13 | dfighter | SRabbelier I am coding even right now |
| 07:25.16 | dfighter | ;p |
| 07:25.27 | SRabbelier | dfighter: sgtm |
| 07:25.28 | zfe | laugh |
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| 07:25.37 | dfighter | sgtm? |
| 07:25.44 | SRabbelier | lgtm but with sound |
| 07:25.51 | kasunLak | Hi everyone |
| 07:26.18 | dfighter | you will have to excuse me, I am still not familiar with all these IRC and SMS terms :P |
| 07:26.28 | dfighter | ( partly because I am not from an English speaking country ) |
| 07:26.30 | SRabbelier | sends another changelog |
| 07:26.45 | kasunLak | I have submitted two proposal this time and up to yesterday I could see them but |
| 07:26.55 | dfighter | but google helped! |
| 07:26.57 | dfighter | ok |
| 07:27.00 | kasunLak | just noticed that none of them are there in melange site? |
| 07:27.02 | dfighter | yes it sounds good to me too ;) |
| 07:27.06 | kasunLak | any help? |
| 07:27.08 | dfighter | and even looks actually |
| 07:27.12 | dfighter | as I am messing with UI atm |
| 07:27.13 | dfighter | :D |
| 07:28.15 | SRabbelier | kasunLak: what site did you submit your proposal to? |
| 07:28.27 | kasunLak | I submitted to melange |
| 07:28.44 | SRabbelier | kasunLak: what url? |
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| 07:29.12 | kasunLak | SRabbelier: http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2011 |
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| 07:29.38 | SRabbelier | kasunLak: should be on your dashboard then |
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| 07:30.14 | DavidJonesCCF | I'd just like to say that i like the donut |
| 07:30.48 | ajed|mac | DavidJonesCCF, Good idea - sounds a lot like breakfast |
| 07:30.56 | DavidJonesCCF | (the green red and grey one that appears on the GSoC page under "program timeline") |
| 07:31.08 | DavidJonesCCF | oh no, I'm british, I had crumpets for breakfast. |
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| 07:32.08 | ajed|mac | I had cookie crisp and a coffee... but if I could be bothered I'd find somewhere that sells doughnus for breakfast in Lichfield |
| 07:32.54 | DavidJonesCCF | ooh yay! our slots went up! |
| 07:33.11 | ajed|mac | \o/ wd |
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| 07:33.25 | valorie | ours didn't |
| 07:33.27 | valorie | :( |
| 07:33.50 | kasunLak | SRabbelier: this is what I can see http://imgur.com/6sQxD |
| 07:33.54 | kai | valorie: I bet most didn't |
| 07:34.36 | kai | valorie: ours sure didn't change |
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| 07:35.17 | DavidJonesCCF | I'm still sorry for the 2 we wanted but are going to have to let go. but... anyways |
| 07:35.30 | DavidJonesCCF | what's your org valorie? |
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| 07:37.14 | kai | DavidJonesCCF: from experience it's also very frustrating to realizing that you don't have enough decent proposals to fill your slots |
| 07:37.46 | valorie | I'm with KDE |
| 07:37.51 | DavidJonesCCF | kai: right. How did you set your "amazing" and "desired"? |
| 07:37.59 | DavidJonesCCF | valorie: oh, wow. they must be huge. |
| 07:38.13 | kasunLak | SRabbelier: Just noticed the problem is with chrome. fine in FF, thank you |
| 07:38.15 | valorie | right, but not as huge as we wanted |
| 07:38.20 | valorie | of course |
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| 07:38.58 | valorie | we'll be cutting lots of "nearly amazing |
| 07:39.00 | valorie | " |
| 07:39.16 | DavidJonesCCF | we're small enough that 3 of us got together on Tuesday and reviewed all our 18 proposals and picked all the ones we wanted, before setting our amazing and our desired. |
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| 07:39.46 | kai | DavidJonesCCF: I discussed with my mentors to figure out what we thought the amazing proposals were |
| 07:39.54 | DavidJonesCCF | seems that if we had had more than 18 or so proposals we would've had to guess at our numbers before reviewing all the proposals. |
| 07:40.20 | DavidJonesCCF | shame to cut amazings. |
| 07:40.21 | kai | DavidJonesCCF: and I used min(#mentors,#proposals_with_good_score) for the other number |
| 07:41.21 | kai | but it seems like some of the good scores are being adjusted down during interaction with the students |
| 07:42.09 | DavidJonesCCF | kai: interesting. All of our best students were interacting with us (mostly e-mail) weeks before applications opened. So we pretty much knew we wanted them before they applied. |
| 07:42.22 | kai | I wish |
| 07:42.32 | DavidJonesCCF | kai: what org are you? |
| 07:42.33 | |Kev| | Our excellent ones were. |
| 07:42.46 | kai | the amazing ones were, I guess |
| 07:43.13 | kai | DavidJonesCCF: WorldForge and Samba |
| 07:43.15 | DavidJonesCCF | priv comm with someone from R suggested that the best students were well prepared and had their proposals done on day 1. |
| 07:43.36 | |Kev| | Our #desired ones we chose based on either mentor feedback *or* the application being good, with the theory that if they didn't meet standards on the other one, we can always give slots to some other org. |
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| 07:43.47 | DavidJonesCCF | googling worldforge now. |
| 07:43.58 | kai | http://worldforge.org |
| 07:44.07 | DavidJonesCCF | a game. intriguing. |
| 07:44.28 | kai | not really. more a set of tools to build MMORPGs |
| 07:44.33 | DavidJonesCCF | (I know what samba is, only too well) |
| 07:44.45 | DavidJonesCCF | oh okay... |
| 07:45.28 | kai | we're also acting as an umbrella for ryzom, which is also an engine for mmorpgs |
| 07:46.25 | DavidJonesCCF | we're also kinda acting as an umbrella. |
| 07:46.58 | DavidJonesCCF | so we expect to take 2 students "for us" and 1 student "for the other guys". |
| 07:47.28 | DavidJonesCCF | kinda interesting, as the arrangement popped up after we'd applied to be a GSoC org. But I think in future we could do a lot more of it. |
| 07:48.18 | kai | DavidJonesCCF: the good news is that based on experience, you can get long term contributors out of gsoc even if you only have two students |
| 07:48.27 | kai | that's how I got stuck with samba. :) |
| 07:48.47 | DavidJonesCCF | kai: hahaha |
| 07:49.40 | dfighter | isn't that the entire point of the program? |
| 07:49.48 | dfighter | to get OS projects long time contributors |
| 07:50.00 | DavidJonesCCF | as i was wittering on yesterday, I think we're kind of unusual for an org. we have code, and we do code, but we're really focussed around our code. our students will be producing some amazing code,... |
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| 07:50.56 | kai | sadly even though I'm a student-turned-mentor, I still don't have a clue why some people stay and most don't and how to take a reasonable guess at this before accepting the student |
| 07:51.15 | DavidJonesCCF | but really we see the benefit in us working together to achieve our long term goals, which will involve them carrying our message forward. I don't really see them producing code for us in the long term. and that's okay. |
| 07:51.37 | DavidJonesCCF | kai: but obviously with a project like samba, sticking around is much more important. |
| 07:52.01 | DavidJonesCCF | part of what we're doing to trying to "infect" Science with Open Source. |
| 07:53.16 | kai | DavidJonesCCF: ah, that's sort of my day job |
| 07:54.00 | DavidJonesCCF | kai: ooh. we should talk. what's your day job? |
| 07:55.00 | kai | I'm a computational biology grad student developing a software predicting interesting substances produced by bacteria from their genetic information |
| 07:55.11 | |Kev| | Corrying the message forward to achieve long-term goals. |
| 07:55.14 | |Kev| | s/o/a/ |
| 07:55.17 | DavidJonesCCF | dfighter: yes i think it is, but CCF is not a traditional Open Source org and we have a slightly different take. |
| 07:55.57 | kai | and luckily my software is open source |
| 07:56.09 | DavidJonesCCF | kai: cool. I have a personal interesting in computational biology, which i may develop into a professional one. |
| 07:56.21 | DavidJonesCCF | i have written a Python interface to ensembl for example. |
| 07:56.36 | kai | unfortunately not public yet, because we're still waiting for the paper to get published |
| 07:57.10 | DavidJonesCCF | kai: amongst the sciences, I think biology (comp bio and bioinformatics) do really well in promoting and using Open Source. |
| 07:57.37 | DavidJonesCCF | Climate Science, which is where CCF is, is frankly pretty terrible. |
| 07:58.30 | kai | oh? I'd have thought the value of all the predictive software was in the publications you can get out of it, not in the actual software |
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| 07:59.32 | DavidJonesCCF | kai: right, but I was talking about biology more broadly. I don't think all those gene annotations in ensembl would be possible without Open Source software. |
| 08:00.29 | kai | DavidJonesCCF: I agree, I meant your field |
| 08:00.33 | DavidJonesCCF | kai: then there's stuff like phylogeny trees. people are building better algorithms by using the code of others and improving it, rather than keeping their "minimal entropic inference code" secret (or whatever) |
| 08:00.36 | kai | what little I know about it |
| 08:01.10 | DavidJonesCCF | kai: oh, you mean climate models when you say "predictive software". well, yeah, i guess. and the weather forecasters certainly see it that way. |
| 08:02.08 | DavidJonesCCF | but even there, who wants a grad student to develop yet another basal ice sheet model? |
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| 08:02.51 | jay | \msg nick jay |
| 08:02.58 | kai | we had to reimplement a couple of prediction methods for our software that didn't have software published along with the method |
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| 08:03.19 | DavidJonesCCF | and there's even some really basic stuff, like having open source libraries for working with common file formats. that doesn't always happen. |
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| 08:03.42 | DavidJonesCCF | kai: i might be quite interested in writing that up, the fact that you had to rewrite software. |
| 08:04.11 | kai | well, hopefully in a month or two I can give more details |
| 08:04.17 | DavidJonesCCF | kai: that's basically a tax on science as a result of software licensing. we'd love to be able to quantify that in some way. |
| 08:04.28 | kai | right, I agree there |
| 08:05.13 | kai | I think the NIH is doing the right thing by urging their researchers to freely publish the source code developed as part of the work |
| 08:06.54 | DavidJonesCCF | kai: yes. here in the UK the wheels move much more slowly. but i think they're moving in the same direction. :) |
| 08:08.09 | kai | I'm not convinced we're there in Germany yet |
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| 08:09.17 | DavidJonesCCF | most funders require "data" and "metadata" to be deposited on publication. and I personally think there's a good argument for saying that code is metadata, and should therefore be made available alongside the paper. But that actual practice is that it isn't, very few people care, and there's no pressure from the funders yet |
| 08:09.21 | DavidJonesCCF | except in biology. |
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| 08:12.58 | kai | I'd probably get away with it if I "published" my software on a web interface |
| 08:13.18 | kai | some of the stuff we reimplemented was available like that |
| 08:13.46 | kai | so "free to use, but we'll keep the code" |
| 08:13.57 | DavidJonesCCF | right. |
| 08:14.39 | DavidJonesCCF | what do you mean by "get away with it"? you mean your institution's lawyers wouldn't notice? |
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| 08:15.32 | kai | no, I mean the peer reviewers and funding bodies would consider this "published" |
| 08:15.41 | DavidJonesCCF | ah, right. well, i certainly would |
| 08:16.05 | kai | legally I'd be fine as well, if I never hand out the software, even the GPL doesn't force me to hand out the code |
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| 08:17.18 | DavidJonesCCF | we're trying to find a good word to use for code instead of publish, because "publish" means a particular thing to an academic, glossy journal, peer-review, correct in every detail. When all we really want with code is for it to be made available. |
| 08:17.44 | kai | share? |
| 08:17.52 | DavidJonesCCF | often we wouldn't even require an Open Source license. An "eyes only" license really would be okay for many purposes we have in mind |
| 08:17.58 | thiago | DavidJonesCCF: release |
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| 08:18.14 | DavidJonesCCF | we do use share and release. |
| 08:18.29 | kai | but I get the point |
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| 08:19.21 | DavidJonesCCF | interesting discussion. but only very tangentially GSoC related. :) |
| 08:19.39 | kai | it's fine, we're not having it on the mailing list |
| 08:19.53 | kai | where some people never seem to learn when to stop posting on a closed thread |
| 08:20.02 | kai | shakes his fist |
| 08:20.28 | kai | anyway, time to get some work done |
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| 08:21.54 | DavidJonesCCF | thanks for the chat kai. |
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| 08:22.18 | DavidJonesCCF | right, next on the list, who wants to talk about arrangements for mentor student communication? We're a first year org, so I'm just sorting it out. |
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| 08:23.46 | DavidJonesCCF | my sketch plan so far is: each student: 1 e-mail per day, the "dailies". we expect dailes to be very brief and are probably just the notes that the student was making anyway. |
| 08:23.58 | DavidJonesCCF | student/mentor: meet (by chat?) once a week. |
| 08:24.16 | DavidJonesCCF | all mentors (3, maybe 4) meet once a fortnight. |
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| 08:25.17 | Michitux | DavidJonesCCF: we are a new org, too, but imho the gnome SoC mentoring howto is pretty helpful: http://people.gnome.org/~federico/docs/summer-of-code-mentoring-howto/ |
| 08:25.57 | kai | DavidJonesCCF: in WorldForge, we require a daily email from the students at the start of their workday, stating a) what they did yesterday and b) what they're going to be working on today and what problems they think they might run into |
| 08:26.05 | kai | this email is to the mentor |
| 08:26.30 | kai | also, they need to give a weekly status update to the mailing list to keep other people in the loop |
| 08:27.03 | kai | this has worked pretty well for us since we started to require it for all students after last year's mid-term |
| 08:27.40 | kai | we only used the daily scrum-standup-style mails for problem students before, but it's actually useful for everybody |
| 08:28.16 | DavidJonesCCF | michitux; kai: thanks both! checking link now. |
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| 08:28.53 | gevaerts | SRabbelier: what was the conclusion on the "allow html?" question? |
| 08:29.03 | rax101 | Hi. When i post comment to my proposal, does my mentor get some notification? (The comment I posted is reaction to his comment) Or should I send him an e-mail just to be sure? |
| 08:29.14 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: it's allowed :) |
| 08:29.19 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: but filtered the usual ways |
| 08:29.22 | gevaerts | rax101: unless the mentor disabled email notifications, yes |
| 08:29.37 | rax101 | gevaerts: great ;-) |
| 08:29.54 | gevaerts | SRabbelier: so I assume we can't (ab)use it to use it as a plugin interface to link melange to an external scoring module? :) |
| 08:30.08 | gevaerts | wasn't planning that, actually |
| 08:30.26 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: ehm, no, you shouldn't be able to enter script tags |
| 08:30.45 | SRabbelier | (that's not a challenge) |
| 08:30.56 | gevaerts | Don't worry, I didn't take it as one |
| 08:31.36 | DavidJonesCCF | SRabbelier: we very very briefly discussed yesterday the possibility of using the Melange code to run our own "Summer of CCF" intern programme. Not this year obv. |
| 08:32.04 | SRabbelier | DavidJonesCCF: cool! |
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| 08:33.43 | DavidJonesCCF | SRabbelier: yes, i think it would be. it's in the Long Term Strategic Planning department at the moment. |
| 08:34.05 | SRabbelier | DavidJonesCCF: keep us posted :) |
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| 08:37.24 | DavidJonesCCF | michitux: that gnome doc: http://people.gnome.org/~federico/docs/summer-of-code-mentoring-howto/ is pretty useful so far! |
| 08:37.28 | gevaerts | hm |
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| 10:26.29 | mikee | !status |
| 10:26.30 | gsocbot | mikee: "status" is The status line is no longer visible to students because it's largely useless. Don't worry about it. |
| 10:26.52 | brik | !next |
| 10:26.52 | gsocbot | brik: "next" is April 22nd: 19:00 UTC - End of reviews, deduplication meeting on IRC |
| 10:27.15 | mikee | thx |
| 10:27.36 | brik | if you're a student, nothing happens until the 25th though |
| 10:27.46 | kai | !when |
| 10:27.46 | gsocbot | kai: "when" is later |
| 10:27.48 | kai | :) |
| 10:27.54 | mikee | :) |
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| 10:40.36 | gsocbot | kevwu: "next" is April 22nd: 19:00 UTC - End of reviews, deduplication meeting on IRC |
| 10:41.21 | kevwu | hello all. if a student receives more than one slot between different org, how to deal with it |
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| 10:42.09 | kai | students can only be accepted for one org |
| 10:42.13 | kevwu | does he need join the irc meeting on 22th apria |
| 10:42.14 | thiago | the student is often asked which one they want to accept |
| 10:42.26 | thiago | but be prepared to do any of the proposals you submitted |
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| 10:44.47 | kevwu | for example, a student appliey for two. one is that he is very interested in, the other is not. And he receives both two offer. then do he need join the irc meeting on April 22th 19:00 |
| 10:45.18 | kevwu | or just let the orgs to decide which he would do |
| 10:46.20 | dfighter | why would you apply for something you are not interested in? |
| 10:46.21 | dfighter | o.O |
| 10:46.34 | David_Honeynet | kevwu: (playing devils advocate a bit) - why would a student submit a proposal good enough to be top candidate for a project they were not interested in? |
| 10:47.11 | David_Honeynet | and surely the org wouldn't have noticed this when discussing the proposal with the student, so they would never rank that student over more capable, motivated students |
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| 10:48.34 | kevwu | David_Honeynet, I mean both them he maybe intrested in, but he would like to do one of them |
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| 10:50.22 | kai | kevwu: technically there's no need for the orgs to involve the student in the deduplication process |
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| 10:51.00 | kai | based on my experience from the last years, most of the dups are actually resolved before the meeting |
| 10:51.16 | David_Honeynet | kevwu: the right thing for the student to do is to tell the org who's project he isn't really interested in now, so they can try and give that slot to a student who really does want to contribute to their project |
| 10:51.40 | David_Honeynet | although orgs will resolve the duplicate issue fairly quickly anyway |
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| 10:56.00 | ajedwards | kevwu (~root@ |
| 10:56.05 | ajedwards | that concerns me a little.. |
| 10:57.15 | ajedwards | anyone who thinks it's good practice to irc as root should step away from the keyboard |
| 10:58.00 | |Kev| | ajedwards: You're unnecessarily overgeneralising. |
| 10:58.20 | |Kev| | *Usually* IRCing as root is foolhardy. |
| 10:58.35 | |Kev| | You can come up with pathological cases where it's not so bad. |
| 10:58.43 | ajedwards | shrugs |
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| 11:01.09 | rishi | ajedwards: He might not be doing it as root. Who knows? |
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| 11:06.54 | ajedwards | rishi, true - he might just like the word |
| 11:07.32 | rishi | ajedwards: :-) |
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| 11:13.43 | gevaerts | There's no law that root's uid is 0 |
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| 11:19.19 | ThFabba | There's also now law that your IRC userid has to be in any way related to your operating system :) |
| 11:19.26 | gevaerts | That too |
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| 11:19.59 | |Kev| | I think I summed all this up with 'you're overgeneralising' :) |
| 11:20.27 | ThFabba | lol |
| 11:21.11 | gevaerts | Overgeneralising would be the reverse I'd say :) |
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| 11:32.31 | tmaster | how many days do I have after 25 april to withdraw from GSoC incase I get accepted?(as a student) |
| 11:32.44 | |Kev| | None, I believe. |
| 11:33.10 | ajedwards | if you're considering withdrawing then perhaps you should inform your organisations |
| 11:33.22 | |Kev| | Or, well. You can withdraw at any time, and fail. After the 25th I think you've missed the chance to withdraw sensibly. |
| 11:33.26 | thiago | if you decide to withdraw after acceptance, the organisation you got accepted to may not get a replacement student |
| 11:33.29 | |Kev| | Carol is the one that needs to answer that, though. |
| 11:33.37 | David_Honeynet | tmaster: why would want to withdraw immediately after being accepted? |
| 11:33.59 | David_Honeynet | (why would you) |
| 11:34.06 | tmaster | The thing is that I have an internship , whose result will come out on 30th April |
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| 11:34.13 | tmaster | I cannot reject that one |
| 11:34.22 | tmaster | but have a good chance of getting in there |
| 11:34.41 | tmaster | GSoC is my backup, but I dont want to cause a loss of a slot to the org I have applied to |
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| 11:34.58 | David_Honeynet | tmaster: in that case you should be honest with your org and tell them now that it is likely you will get an internship that you prefer over gsoc |
| 11:35.19 | David_Honeynet | since the org will currently be trying to decide which student to give a small number of slots to |
| 11:35.47 | tmaster | Yes, but that is effectively withdrawing from GSoC only isnt it? |
| 11:36.14 | ajedwards | tmaster, by staying in and then leaving you will most likely deprive someone else of the opportunity to be involved |
| 11:36.33 | David_Honeynet | tmaster: if you withdraw your application now, another student will get the chance to take the slot. if you withdraw after acceptance on the 25th, the slot will probably be lost |
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| 11:36.46 | David_Honeynet | you should speak to carols about it... |
| 11:36.48 | tmaster | David_Honeynet: Thanks, thats what I wanted to know |
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| 11:37.05 | tmaster | when will she be online?(in how many hours approx?) |
| 11:37.17 | DavidJonesCCF | tmaster: send e-mail |
| 11:37.22 | David_Honeynet | She is PST, so probably in about 4-5 hours (or send email) |
| 11:37.25 | DavidJonesCCF | tmaster: politely. :) |
| 11:37.28 | David_Honeynet | :) |
| 11:37.31 | kai | tmaster: she's on pacific time, but what DavidJonesCCF said |
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| 11:37.38 | kai | the other david as well |
| 11:37.40 | tmaster | Sure.. thanks |
| 11:37.43 | kai | listen to the davids |
| 11:37.46 | tmaster | carols@gmail.com? |
| 11:37.55 | kai | google.com |
| 11:38.09 | tmaster | ok |
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| 11:52.03 | kai | meh |
| 11:52.20 | kai | gets moar coffee |
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| 11:57.17 | laserbled | !patience |
| 11:57.18 | gsocbot | laserbled: "patience" is Patience is very important in GSoC/GCI. Relax and go code something useful. |
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| 12:36.30 | dberkholz | yay, more 500 errors. |
| 12:37.38 | |Kev| | That should be 500 more errors, surely? :D |
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| 12:38.47 | MatthewWilkes | !this cookie | |Kev| |
| 12:38.47 | gsocbot | |Kev|: "this cookie" is for you |
| 12:39.10 | |Kev| | :D |
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| 12:40.49 | kai | !500 |
| 12:40.49 | gsocbot | kai: "500" is The 500 errors are likely due to a known issue with AppEngine. Check http://code.google.com/status/appengine/ for status. |
| 12:41.00 | kai | !300 |
| 12:41.04 | kai | aw |
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| 12:41.35 | thiago | there's no HTTP error 300 |
| 12:41.43 | kai | !learn 300 as Pseudo-historical movie allowing a lot of actors to show off their computer-enhanced sixpacks. |
| 12:41.43 | gsocbot | kai: "300" is Pseudo-historical movie allowing a lot of actors to show off their computer-enhanced sixpacks. |
| 12:41.52 | kai | there :) |
| 12:42.05 | thiago | heh |
| 12:42.37 | kai | just want to make !random more fun :) |
| 12:44.10 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: for reasons unclear to me, custom columns didn't export to csv until i reloaded the page |
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| 12:56.42 | dotnick | was melange moved to google-melange.org instead of .com ? |
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| 12:57.43 | gevaerts | melange has many working urls |
| 13:00.02 | dotnick | So I thought but I can't access google-melange.com. .org works though |
| 13:00.30 | dotnick | Strange, work with Safari but not Chrome. |
| 13:00.39 | dotnick | s/work/works/ |
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| 13:04.47 | kevwu | hello, if i know I am accepted by two orgs earlier (before Aprial 22th), could i withdraw one of it, and told the org to replace a student another. So I would not invoved in the dedupication process. |
| 13:05.03 | kevwu | will that be OK? |
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| 13:05.52 | kevwu | I would not like the org to lose another student slot |
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| 13:06.13 | MatthewWilkes | kevwu: The right thing to do is to tell the one you want that they're your preferred org |
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| 13:10.37 | |Kev| | kevwu: You will not know in advance, orgs are not allowed to tell you that they're going to accept you until after Google announces accepted students. |
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| 13:11.02 | |Kev| | Doing what MatthewWilkes suggests is your best bet. |
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| 13:12.11 | kevwu | lKev, I know that it's not allowd to. But sometimes, the stuents could conclude somethin |
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| 13:13.04 | kevwu | could i leave a comment behind the proposal, that I prefer this project ? |
| 13:13.43 | |Kev| | You could. |
| 13:14.16 | kevwu | That is a good way. then in IRC meeting, it could see the comments |
| 13:14.39 | |Kev| | Most de-duplication won't happen in the IRC meeting, mind. |
| 13:15.40 | kevwu | lKev, what do you mean? it is said:"19:00 irc meeting..." . you mean it could use the email to ask the opoinon of the students? |
| 13:16.00 | kevwu | or just use a random choose |
| 13:17.06 | |Kev| | Orgs will typically sort this out between themselves in advance of the meeting. |
| 13:17.29 | |Kev| | The meeting is to sort out the last few cases that haven't been resolved yet. |
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| 13:19.00 | kevwu | are there any cases that two orgs both want to accept one students? |
| 13:19.19 | |Kev| | We don't know yt. |
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| 13:21.26 | marekweb | a duel will be used to decide |
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| 13:23.01 | gevaerts | marekweb: difficult |
| 13:23.27 | gevaerts | You'd first have to agree on which dawn to use. That's the problem with these global things |
| 13:23.38 | |Kev| | Oh, Dawn of War 1, definitely. |
| 13:23.45 | |Kev| | Dawn of War 2 lost a lot of the charm. |
| 13:23.58 | |Kev| | Although I think you want to allow all the expansion packs. |
| 13:24.38 | ankitdaf | How about Mortal kombat ? |
| 13:24.47 | |Kev| | Finish Him. |
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| 13:26.35 | diablo | !slots |
| 13:26.35 | gsocbot | diablo: "slots" is Slot allocation is done manually by Chris DiBona and Carol Smith, be a good org, play nice on the mentor list and #gsoc, ask for a non-crazy-high number of slots, and you'll probably get what you ask. Note that non-crazy-high for new orgs is around 1 or 2. |
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| 14:18.38 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: ok, i just wrote the script i was talking to you about yesterday to display the projects we should accept, accounting for duplicates â http://dev.gentoo.org/~dberkholz/gsoc/top_projects.py |
| 14:19.31 | SRabbelier|Lappy | dberkholz: nice :) |
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| 14:20.06 | dberkholz | SRabbelier|Lappy: now get that in melange =P |
| 14:20.32 | kai | cracks a whip |
| 14:21.29 | SRabbelier|Lappy | dberkholz: I'm not sure I understand how it takes into account the project grouping |
| 14:21.34 | SRabbelier|Lappy | Mario is adding column sorting |
| 14:21.58 | dberkholz | SRabbelier|Lappy: ideas_seen[] |
| 14:22.09 | ajed|mac | what an idea for a game, SRabbelier |
| 14:22.13 | dberkholz | if we've seen the same idea with a better score, skip this one |
| 14:22.34 | SRabbelier|Lappy | ajed|mac: what's that? |
| 14:22.42 | ajed|mac | super mario columns |
| 14:22.44 | SRabbelier|Lappy | dberkholz: oh, the idea is your custom color |
| 14:22.45 | ajed|mac | ;) |
| 14:22.51 | dberkholz | yep |
| 14:23.04 | SRabbelier|Lappy | ah, and you sort by avg :) |
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| 14:23.39 | SRabbelier|Lappy | there's actually a "purpose" at the top, I couldof just read that xD |
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| 14:24.22 | kai | SRabbelier|Lappy: I'd say "RTFM, noob", but we agreed that wasn't polite yesterday |
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| 14:27.08 | sfb | kai: That's not polite? |
| 14:27.44 | SRabbelier|Lappy | kai: why not? :) |
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| 14:42.04 | kai | sfb: it's not, we agreed about that yesterday |
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| 14:44.20 | kai | SRabbelier|Lappy: you can check the logs |
| 14:44.41 | CrawfordComeaux | Sooo...what's the likelihood of an org appealing for more slots? |
| 14:44.47 | kai | SRabbelier|Lappy: I remember something about this being a feature of an elitist BOFH culture |
| 14:45.28 | kai | p, where p + q = 1 and 0 <= q <= 1 |
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| 14:46.03 | CrawfordComeaux | soooo....you're saying there's a chance! |
| 14:46.14 | kai | CrawfordComeaux: for appealing? sure |
| 14:46.21 | SRabbelier|Lappy | kai: what was a feature? |
| 14:46.40 | CrawfordComeaux | kai: and what about succeeding at appealing? ;) |
| 14:46.44 | kai | for successful appealing, dunno :) |
| 14:46.50 | CrawfordComeaux | rats |
| 14:47.08 | kai | CrawfordComeaux: but i guess p, where p + q = 1 and 0 <= q <= 1 |
| 14:47.30 | dberkholz | now, what's the chance for a new org to get more slots? |
| 14:47.35 | kai | SRabbelier|Lappy: people saying things like RTFM, noob! |
| 14:47.42 | kai | meh |
| 14:47.57 | dberkholz | exactly. |
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| 14:48.22 | chx | dberkholz: new org, that's a tricky, how can google know you can pull it off? |
| 14:48.33 | chx | dberkholz: i can udnerstand they testing the waters with a few slots |
| 14:48.39 | kai | !chance |
| 14:48.52 | kai | !learn chance as p, where p + q = 1 and 0 <= q <= 1 |
| 14:48.53 | gsocbot | kai: "chance" is p, where p + q = 1 and 0 <= q <= 1 |
| 14:49.20 | chx | CrawfordComeaux: i dunno, you had your chance by asking in desired for whatever you want... i think carols made this clear on the list. |
| 14:49.55 | kai | chx: I understand this is most interesting for people who got less than their desired number |
| 14:50.27 | chx | well they do not need to appeal that's also clear? |
| 14:50.35 | greenikin | CrawfordComeaux, from my understanding the max for new orgs is 2. Apparently the reason is it is a trial period kind of deal. you do well. Then you will get more slots |
| 14:50.39 | chx | as orgs return slots they will be redistributed? |
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| 14:51.15 | greenikin | CrawfordComeaux, more slots next year i mean |
| 14:51.22 | CrawfordComeaux | greenikin: I understand that, though was hoping umbrellas might get at least one extra slot |
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| 14:51.39 | dberkholz | why does an umbrella have any greater chance of succeeding than anyone else new? |
| 14:51.45 | laserbled | Hi...is there any chance that new org be given more than 2 while re distribution....under any circumstances or is this max 2 fixed ? |
| 14:52.13 | chx | laserbled: you are asking the wrong crowd on that. There are two people who could answer that, Chris and Carol. |
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| 14:52.54 | DavidJonesCCF | dberkholz: well, they kinda represent more than one org, right? if you have an umbrella for 3 orgs that could've applied separetely, they might have 6 between them. i'm just saying that _might_ be the sort of argument for why an umbrella could/should get more |
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| 14:53.16 | tomprince | CrawfordComeaux: If your organisation is acting as an umbrella, then there is a possiblity of getting more slots. |
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| 14:53.35 | DavidJonesCCF | in any case, i assume the lack of clarity about slots is deliberate. |
| 14:53.41 | tomprince | The answer would be email carols. |
| 14:53.55 | tomprince | Somebody else was asking the same earlier. |
| 14:54.00 | ajed|mac | DavidJonesCCF, that makes perfect sense, convincing carols - another matter :) |
| 14:54.36 | dberkholz | DavidJonesCCF: sort of, except there's no guarantee that any of them would have gotten in separately |
| 14:54.50 | nickbarnesccf | OTOH, there is still a single point of failure: if the org admin is NBG then all the projects could fail. |
| 14:55.01 | DavidJonesCCF | sure. noted on all counts. |
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| 14:55.43 | DavidJonesCCF | yes, presumably the reason umbrella orgs exist is precisely because some or all of the orgs under it wouldn't have gotten in by themselves. |
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| 14:56.22 | ajed|mac | that or they felt generalising gave them better representation... there could be a number of reasons really |
| 14:56.33 | nickbarnesccf | given the competition for org places. |
| 14:57.03 | DavidJonesCCF | !stats |
| 14:57.03 | gsocbot | DavidJonesCCF: I have 2 registered users with 1 registered hostmasks; 1 owner and 0 admins. |
| 14:57.25 | DavidJonesCCF | gsocbot: that was a bit disappointing. (yes, i know you're a bot). |
| 14:57.45 | DavidJonesCCF | i was wondering if there were any stats about how many orgs and how many were new. |
| 14:57.45 | nickbarnesccf | you mean !numapps |
| 14:58.01 | nickbarnesccf | !numapps |
| 14:58.02 | gsocbot | nickbarnesccf: "numapps" is 417 mentoring orgs applied and 175 were accepted this year; 5474 proposals were submitted by 3731 students. In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and 151 were accepted; 5539 proposals were submitted by 3464 students, and 1026 were accepted. |
| 14:58.18 | nickbarnesccf | Hmm, carols said something about how many new ones. |
| 14:58.52 | DavidJonesCCF | ah, so at least (175-151) 24 orgs are new. |
| 15:01.50 | ajed|mac | how many slots in total this time? |
| 15:02.17 | ajed|mac | or is that yet tobe revealed? |
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| 15:02.24 | DavidJonesCCF | ajed|mac i would guess the total is a bit flexible |
| 15:02.25 | |Kev| | I don't expect that to be revealed until the 25th. |
| 15:02.42 | |Kev| | Students pulling out etc. could cause it to change at the last minute. |
| 15:02.44 | dberkholz | SRabbelier|Lappy: is there some way to add another column to the orgs table to say "Slots remaining" that reflects number of slots minus number of "accepted" students? |
| 15:02.44 | |Kev| | (I think) |
| 15:02.44 | DavidJonesCCF | ajed|mac depending on how orgs use their slots, and return them, and dedups etc. |
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| 15:04.07 | SRabbelier|Lappy | dberkholz: yes |
| 15:04.14 | SRabbelier|Lappy | dberkholz: I intend to add that |
| 15:04.21 | dberkholz | excellent |
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| 15:07.05 | ajed|mac | i see - that makes sense |
| 15:07.27 | ajed|mac | is the target always roughly 1,000 then? |
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| 15:08.11 | DavidJonesCCF | if the ratio of accepted proposals to orgs remains the same, then the number will be... 1189.1 |
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| 15:10.16 | dberkholz | http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2011/01/google-summer-of-code-announced-at-lca.html |
| 15:10.22 | dberkholz | We are excited to announce that we will extend the scope of the program this year by targeting a 25% increase in accepted student applications |
| 15:10.53 | DavidJonesCCF | i did read that, back in the day |
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| 15:14.42 | brlcad | so how does one actually enable the new custom columns? i've added the fields on the org edit page, they show under column selection on the dashboard under proposals submitted, but then the column doesn't display even when checked |
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| 15:16.22 | SRabbelier|Lappy | brlcad: the help text tells you, yes? |
| 15:16.32 | SRabbelier|Lappy | brlcad: select an org from the dropdown |
| 15:17.43 | brlcad | I was wondering about that ... |
| 15:17.51 | brlcad | I guess I don't see a dropdown |
| 15:18.20 | dberkholz | on the table, in the org column |
| 15:18.20 | SRabbelier|Lappy | brlcad: click columns |
| 15:18.52 | brlcad | you mean under the "PROPOSALS SUBMITTED TO MY ORGS" section? |
| 15:19.31 | dberkholz | yep |
| 15:19.57 | brlcad | "they show under column selection on the dashboard under proposals submitted, but then the column doesn't display even when checked" |
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| 15:20.50 | dberkholz | they only show up when you've selected a single organization by displaying the organization column and using the dropdown menu in it |
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| 15:21.20 | SRabbelier|Lappy | will deploy a new release that removes them from column selection soon |
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| 15:22.10 | brlcad | wow, I'm getting all sorts of bad |
| 15:22.18 | brlcad | thinks he's hitting one or more bugs |
| 15:23.17 | brlcad | all of my column selections just changed to a seemingly random set of different columns |
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| 15:26.04 | SRabbelier|Lappy | brlcad: que? |
| 15:26.08 | brlcad | http://brlcad.org/~sean/tmp/custcol.png |
| 15:26.18 | brlcad | what am I doing wrong? |
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| 15:28.16 | SRabbelier|Lappy | brlcad: Can you try unselecting those columns, and setting the dropdown to brlcad again? |
| 15:28.56 | brlcad | no change |
| 15:29.14 | SRabbelier|Lappy | brlcad: and if you manually enable the min columns? |
| 15:29.16 | brlcad | that's what I did the first time when all of the columns went haywire |
| 15:29.58 | brlcad | min columns? |
| 15:30.10 | SRabbelier|Lappy | brlcad: what do you mean with "min"? |
| 15:30.27 | brlcad | heh, that's what I was asking you! |
| 15:30.33 | brlcad | 11:29 <@SRabbelier|Lappy> brlcad: and if you manually enable the min columns? |
| 15:30.52 | SRabbelier|Lappy | brlcad: I meant custom :P |
| 15:31.44 | brlcad | is there another manual way other than checking/unchecking the checkbox on the Columns view? |
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| 15:33.33 | SRabbelier|Lappy | brlcad: try clearing your google-melange cookies and then trying after I deploy this release |
| 15:33.49 | brlcad | separate issue, but hilarity ensues when I enable all columns .. they get crammed in to that 400px width and the columns don't seem to resize |
| 15:34.07 | SRabbelier|Lappy | brlcad: yeah, don't do that ^^ |
| 15:34.54 | brlcad | another potentially interesting tidbit... if I just wait long enough (seems to be a couple minutes), my custom fields uncheck themselves |
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| 15:35.26 | SRabbelier|Lappy | brlcad: sounds like it thinks you don't have the org selected that those columns belong to |
| 15:36.48 | SRabbelier|Lappy | brlcad: try now |
| 15:37.03 | brlcad | ok, testing .. |
| 15:37.08 | brlcad | eats the cookies |
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| 15:38.17 | SRabbelier|Lappy | nomnom |
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| 15:38.51 | brlcad | now my custom columns no longer list |
| 15:38.58 | brlcad | they're still listed on the org edit page |
| 15:39.11 | brlcad | readd to org edit page? |
| 15:39.13 | SRabbelier|Lappy | brlcad: so please select the org from the org dropdown |
| 15:40.53 | SRabbelier|Lappy | is heading home |
| 15:41.01 | brlcad | the only org dropdown I see is when I enable the Organization column, the first row under "proposals submitted to my orgs" shows a dropdown |
| 15:41.02 | SRabbelier|Lappy | direct your questions to SRabbelier :) |
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| 15:41.04 | brlcad | is that the dropdown? |
| 15:41.10 | SRabbelier|Lappy | brlcad: yes |
| 15:41.15 | brlcad | because I've selected that in futility many many times :) |
| 15:41.19 | SRabbelier|Lappy | eehe |
| 15:41.22 | brlcad | doesn't seem to do anything |
| 15:41.35 | SRabbelier|Lappy | brlcad: invite srabbelier to your org as mentor |
| 15:41.39 | brlcad | shows a check next to it when it's in drop-down state |
| 15:41.42 | SRabbelier|Lappy | and I'll investigate when I get home |
| 15:41.45 | brlcad | k |
| 15:41.53 | brlcad | rogue admin!! |
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| 15:45.17 | kai | this sverre guy, always like "CAN I HAZ MENTORZ" |
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| 15:46.17 | dotnick | :) |
| 15:46.47 | |Kev| | kai: He's just in it for the T-Shirts. |
| 15:47.45 | thebolt | kai: and he gets it.. :P |
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| 15:51.34 | ravana | hi all, does anyone know where I can find the Debit card information for _last_ year's GSoC program? |
| 15:51.42 | ravana | I can't find it in the GSoC-discuss group since the 'pages' feature is not supported anymore for Google Groups! |
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| 15:54.04 | brlcad | hello carols |
| 15:54.08 | carols | hi brlcad |
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| 16:00.31 | ravana | carols: is there new URL to store the pages that was in GSoC-discuss group before? Since new google groups doesn't have 'pages' features, I'm unable to find those! |
| 16:00.42 | ravana | carols: any help is much appreciated |
| 16:00.55 | carols | ravana: i don't know, you'll have to ask SRabbelier |
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| 16:01.38 | ravana | carols: sure. |
| 16:02.07 | ravana | SRabbelier: ping. can you answer my previous question please? |
| 16:02.51 | DavidJonesCCF | ravana: I think he's Away From Keyboard. Just like I'm about to be. |
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| 16:03.06 | shayan | I read somewhere orgs already allotted their slots to students |
| 16:03.17 | shayan | tentatively |
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| 16:03.47 | shayan | !next |
| 16:03.47 | gsocbot | shayan: "next" is April 22nd: 19:00 UTC - End of reviews, deduplication meeting on IRC |
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| 16:04.53 | tomprince | shayan: orgs have been allocated their slots, and are allocating them now. |
| 16:05.02 | tomprince | students won't be informed until the 25th |
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| 16:05.41 | shayan | Orgs know how many slots they will get |
| 16:05.50 | ravana | DavidJonesCCF: ok. I guess the Q could be answered by anyone who knows where the archive of pages Google Groups are. The FAQ doesn't have any link! |
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| 16:06.27 | tomprince | shayan: yes (barring reallocation and duplication) |
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| 16:06.56 | shayan | tomprince, Ok. Thanks |
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| 16:14.43 | ajam | for whom is the 'comment' dialogue box on the dashboard |
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| 16:19.54 | Jaybles | both students and mentors |
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| 16:23.40 | thebolt | hi lh |
| 16:23.50 | lh | thebolt: greetings! |
| 16:24.19 | Catfish_Man | lh! hello :) |
| 16:24.45 | lh | Catfish_Man: greetings! i have not heard back from your lady since we last corresponded. nudge her that we ought to do coffee or something. :) |
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| 16:25.00 | Catfish_Man | I'll do so. That's silly of her |
| 16:25.12 | Catfish_Man | she's in SF until the 20th though, which is making me very happy :) |
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| 16:28.09 | lh | Catfish_Man: oh that is fantastic. i am so happy for both of you. |
| 16:28.30 | lh | Catfish_Man: take her to the legion of honor museum if you have not already. it's fantabulous. |
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| 16:28.48 | Catfish_Man | I have not! I'll keep it in mind |
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| 16:29.33 | LetterRip | !customcolumns |
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| 16:30.39 | SRabbelier | ravana: that's not Melange related |
| 16:30.47 | SRabbelier | ravana: that's Google gropus |
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| 16:42.43 | brlcad | SRabbelier: to answer your question, no -- but I wasn't going to tell the list that ;) |
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| 16:49.54 | LetterRip | hmm where in the interface is the custom columns? |
| 16:50.14 | LetterRip | it isn't in the 'obvious' places for me :) |
| 16:50.48 | ravana | SRabbelier: yes, that's google groups related. sorry if my question wasn't clear. |
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| 16:51.07 | carols | ravana: wait, we're talking about google groups? whats the problem? |
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| 16:52.49 | ravana | carols: yes. google groups. I just need to access some 'pages' that was there in the last year. With new UI changes I can't find where they are now. |
| 16:53.08 | carols | ravana: for what list? |
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| 16:54.08 | ravana | carols: I just need the page about the citi bank debit card page. not sure whether it was on students-list or gsoc-discuss list. |
| 16:54.20 | ravana | carols: It should be in one of those anyway :) |
| 16:54.36 | carols | ravana: sure, i know which one you mean. its on the students list. ill get you a link. |
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| 16:55.08 | ravana | carols: great. |
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| 16:57.23 | SRabbelier | brlcad: hey |
| 16:57.28 | SRabbelier | brlcad: can you try removing that space ;) |
| 16:57.40 | SRabbelier | brlcad: in the column name |
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| 17:01.29 | carols | ravana: is this what you needed? http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/studentpaymentcards |
| 17:01.36 | mlankhorst | hey |
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| 17:04.11 | SRabbelier | brlcad: that fixes it for me (I edited your org profile :P) |
| 17:04.38 | ravana | carols: I get "This document is not publically readable." with the given link. Even with my 'student' login! |
| 17:04.55 | carols | ravana: now *that* SRabbelier needs to fix :-) |
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| 17:05.49 | ravana | carols: I see... finally some work for SRabbelier ;) |
| 17:05.54 | SRabbelier | hehe :P |
| 17:06.05 | ravana | SRabbelier: can you fix it please? :) |
| 17:06.10 | beng-nl | le groups? whats the problem? |
| 17:06.12 | beng-nl | oops |
| 17:06.13 | beng-nl | mispaste |
| 17:06.14 | carols | ravana: try again |
| 17:06.21 | beng-nl | http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/studentpaymentcards ? |
| 17:06.43 | beng-nl | (2011) |
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| 17:07.22 | ravana | carols: now it's working. soo... quick!! thanks to both carols SRabbelier |
| 17:07.25 | thebolt | hm, home before 8.. this is an unusual feeling |
| 17:07.29 | beng-nl | :) |
| 17:07.41 | SRabbelier | np |
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| 17:15.53 | gsocbot | saksham: "slots" is Slot allocation is done manually by Chris DiBona and Carol Smith, be a good org, play nice on the mentor list and #gsoc, ask for a non-crazy-high number of slots, and you'll probably get what you ask. Note that non-crazy-high for new orgs is around 1 or 2. |
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| 17:19.25 | gsocbot | DarthGandalf: "numapps" is 417 mentoring orgs applied and 175 were accepted this year; 5474 proposals were submitted by 3731 students. In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and 151 were accepted; 5539 proposals were submitted by 3464 students, and 1026 were accepted. |
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| 17:49.40 | BrettProfitt | Howdy there. |
| 17:49.50 | BrettProfitt | So first, sorry about my insane connect / disconnect yesterday. |
| 17:49.55 | BrettProfitt | It's a fun story of love and loss. |
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| 17:51.49 | kblin | no harm done. I got to learn about how the redirect ban works :) |
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| 17:52.34 | BrettProfitt | kblin: And I got to learn how to reset my Mac's SMP so it actually stays asleep when I shut the lid ;) |
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| 17:53.07 | kblin | there, everybody learned something then :) |
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| 18:03.43 | carols | ha, oh well. |
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| 18:06.54 | carols | serves tea, coffee, and cookies |
| 18:06.56 | adarsh | hello |
| 18:07.04 | carols | hi adarsh |
| 18:07.07 | adarsh | is it possible to edit the proposals now? |
| 18:07.09 | gevaerts | could use some coffee |
| 18:07.11 | gevaerts | Thanks! |
| 18:07.21 | carols | adarsh: only if the mentor specifically asks and allows you to. |
| 18:07.26 | adarsh | i just wanted to add a google doc link to it |
| 18:07.34 | chx | carols: i have one word about slot allocations: THANKS! |
| 18:07.35 | adarsh | yes .. mentor allowed to |
| 18:07.41 | adarsh | but i am not able to know how to edit |
| 18:07.59 | carols | adarsh: i believe there's an edit button but SRabbelier can confirm |
| 18:08.04 | carols | chx: you're welcome. :-) |
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| 18:08.36 | adarsh | i am not able to find edit button |
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| 18:09.27 | bot_killer | !me |
| 18:11.46 | tomprince | adarsh: You can always add the link in a comment. |
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| 18:14.00 | brlcad | SRabbelier: so was it the spaces? |
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| 18:18.14 | brlcad | SRabbelier: I'm still getting pretty wonky behavior here.. two apps disappeared (as if filtered), unchecked display of titles and they reappeared ... along with displaying full proposal key column, org key column, and disappeared one of the custom columns |
| 18:18.26 | brlcad | (i.e., another seemingly random set of column visibility changes) |
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| 18:19.26 | brlcad | the good news, though, is that I can get the custom columns to display and undisplay now |
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| 18:21.24 | brlcad | ahh, have to hit enter while in the edit field .. like good ol motif days |
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| 18:30.22 | brlcad | hm, two apps keep disappearing/reappearing |
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| 18:31.31 | carldani | Any hardware/firmware related project in here which needs an additional slot? We might have a few spare ones and would like to help projects in the same problem space. |
| 18:32.03 | gevaerts | carldani: how soon do you need to know> |
| 18:32.05 | gevaerts | ? |
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| 18:32.21 | Triskelios | that's very nice of you guys |
| 18:33.36 | gevaerts | carldani: we (rockbox) might be interested, but we don't really want to ask before we're sure we want it... |
| 18:34.01 | Nightrose | carols: thank you! |
| 18:34.09 | carols | Nightrose: you're welcome. for what? :-) |
| 18:34.19 | Nightrose | carols: +1 slot |
| 18:34.25 | Nightrose | and also the others of course ;-) |
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| 18:34.32 | carols | Nightrose: oh! you're welcome. but really you should thank Plone :-) |
| 18:34.37 | Nightrose | i will :) |
| 18:34.58 | carols | awesome :-) |
| 18:35.31 | carldani | gevaerts: I think the deadline for reallocation is April 22, so knowing April 20 should work for us. |
| 18:35.49 | gevaerts | carldani: we won't make you wait that long for an answer, but thanks! :) |
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| 18:38.02 | carldani | carols: Plone donated some slots? |
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| 18:38.12 | carols | carldani: one, yes. to kde. |
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| 18:46.46 | solardiz | carldani: we have an FPGA project idea and a good student application for it, which we might not have a slot for. relevant? |
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| 18:50.09 | carldani | solardiz: is the project public? I'd like to take a look. |
| 18:51.12 | carldani | I'm asking because coreboot could make use of some FPGA stuff if we had someone with spare time and expertise on FPGAs. |
| 18:51.19 | solardiz | carldani: a very brief description of the idea is public. we've also setup a mailing list with a lot more detail posted to it - we're going to make this one public soon. i'd do it right now but i am doing a lot of tasks at the moment. |
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| 18:51.57 | carldani | solardiz: As long as you can do it before April 20... |
| 18:51.59 | solardiz | carldani: i'm afraid the specific project idea is of no or little relevance to coreboot |
| 18:52.14 | solardiz | carldani: the student's experience is relevant, though |
| 18:52.17 | carldani | solardiz: not a problem, I can discuss this with the others, and we can still decide then. |
| 18:52.34 | solardiz | carldani: it's password security stuff |
| 18:52.55 | solardiz | carldani: we're likely to get Pico Computing involved, http://picocomputing.com |
| 18:53.03 | carldani | no guarantees, but we might have 2 or 3 slots, and will decide after April 20. |
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| 18:54.35 | solardiz | carldani: http://openwall.info/wiki/ideas#Smaller-andor-new-projects - "New password hashing method for servers" |
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| 18:55.55 | solardiz | carldani: a student has already started work on a qualifying task for this project. yet we're unsure if we'll have the slot. |
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| 18:56.11 | dberkholz | my recollection is that april 20 is the deadline for slot reallocation, so deciding after then is not very helpful. |
| 18:56.33 | carldani | solardiz: Admittedly coreboot does not really care about what the OS does, we're just making sure that your favourite OS can start less than 1 second after poweron on x86 (and soon ARM) |
| 18:56.53 | carldani | dberkholz: oh, then I remembered that incorrectly. Thanks for the info. |
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| 18:57.08 | dberkholz | that's when deduplication begins, and you need to have slots right to handle duplicates |
| 18:57.13 | carols | dberkholz: all these deadlines are purposefully fuzzy. it's really the IRC meeting that's the hard deadline. i'm just providing guidance with the 20 April date. |
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| 18:57.46 | dberkholz | carols: i like warm and fuzzy, but not for deadlines =) |
| 18:57.56 | carols | dberkholz: i hear ya on that :-) |
| 18:58.06 | thebolt | ;) |
| 18:58.06 | carols | be back in a bit folks |
| 18:58.14 | gevaerts | dberkholz: it's at 19:00 UTC, but you get to pick the date :) |
| 18:58.43 | carldani | haha |
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| 19:43.36 | SRabbelier | brlcad: cookie should ignore custom columns |
| 19:43.47 | SRabbelier | brlcad: I only see 6 proposals for brl-cad ever |
| 19:44.00 | brlcad | there are 8 |
| 19:44.06 | brlcad | set the filter |
| 19:44.08 | brlcad | they reshow |
| 19:44.30 | SRabbelier | brlcad: set what filter though? |
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| 19:44.46 | brlcad | click "Filter", click "Find" |
| 19:44.55 | SRabbelier | brlcad: ok |
| 19:44.58 | socinfo | !logs |
| 19:44.58 | gsocbot | socinfo: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
| 19:45.35 | brlcad | something causes them to disappaer after some combination of column/edit changes |
| 19:45.59 | SRabbelier | brlcad: :-/ |
| 19:46.02 | brlcad | unclear what's special about those two |
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| 19:46.15 | SRabbelier | if I use the filter, I can't even get the org dropdown tow ork |
| 19:46.17 | SRabbelier | **to work |
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| 19:51.11 | SRabbelier | doh |
| 19:51.13 | SRabbelier | brlcad: nothing mysterious there |
| 19:51.20 | SRabbelier | brlcad: enable the status dropdown ;) |
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| 19:52.34 | brlcad | aha! well they mysteriously were never ignored until I added custom fields ;) |
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| 19:56.59 | brlcad | so the only remaining issue was whether spaces caused the original problem and I still get seemingly random columns every once in a while |
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| 19:57.59 | brlcad | (keeps adding key columns, score, and dates .. I never want to see those) :) |
| 19:58.10 | SRabbelier | brlcad: yes, the spaces caused it, I've added a cleaner to make sure there's no spaes |
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| 19:58.25 | SRabbelier | brlcad: can you try clearing your cookies? |
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| 19:58.58 | brlcad | I do/have |
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| 19:59.39 | SRabbelier | :( |
| 20:00.00 | brlcad | curiously, my custom columns are still displayed after clearing ocokies |
| 20:01.04 | brlcad | hmm.. i do have separate socghop.appspot.com cookies, lesse |
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| 20:02.04 | SRabbelier | brlcad: correct, the cookies are per page |
| 20:02.33 | brlcad | there is just did it again |
| 20:02.48 | brlcad | added mentor column, it enabled the last modified date column |
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| 20:03.21 | brlcad | either way, it's usable now -- "stable enough" for now :) |
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| 20:04.50 | SRabbelier | brlcad: the list code needs some major refactoring anyway, we're doing that at the all-hands next month |
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| 21:27.03 | kblin | wow, I had forgotten just how bad that movie was :) |
| 21:30.36 | ThomasWaldmann | kblin: which? |
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| 21:34.43 | kblin | ThomasWaldmann: "and then there were none" |
| 21:34.51 | kblin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eWm1zi8ESk |
| 21:35.09 | kblin | it's a good book and a decent play adaption, but the movie.. yuck |
| 21:35.42 | ThomasWaldmann | thought you meant Plan 9 from outer space. :D |
| 21:35.58 | kblin | hehe |
| 21:36.01 | beng-nl | was worried you meant 300 |
| 21:36.06 | kblin | !300 |
| 21:36.06 | gsocbot | kblin: "300" is Pseudo-historical movie allowing a lot of actors to show off their computer-enhanced sixpacks. |
| 21:36.18 | kblin | :D |
| 21:36.20 | beng-nl | i accept that |
| 21:36.24 | beng-nl | but i still like it ;) |
| 21:36.33 | beng-nl | and jealous of abs, etc. :) |
| 21:36.37 | beng-nl | (envious) |
| 21:37.31 | kblin | beng-nl: twohundredsitups.com? ;) |
| 21:38.10 | beng-nl | :) |
| 21:38.14 | kblin | whoops SIGWIFE |
| 21:38.19 | kblin | see you folks tomorrow |
| 21:38.23 | beng-nl | i seem to recall a segment on the daily show.. on 300 |
| 21:38.24 | beng-nl | kblin: ok |
| 21:38.32 | beng-nl | .. saying something about 1800 abs ;) |
| 21:39.18 | beng-nl | .. and the persian sword-for-arms monster looking like the boss of fox, wossisname |
| 21:40.45 | beng-nl | roger ailes :) |
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| 21:44.25 | MatthewWilkes | Nightrose: hehe - danke :) |
| 21:44.47 | Nightrose | MatthewWilkes: ;-) i'm the one who has to say danke really :) |
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| 21:45.48 | MatthewWilkes | Nightrose: :O I would never, never make you say something in German ;) |
| 21:46.04 | Nightrose | haha |
| 21:46.05 | Nightrose | no? |
| 21:46.43 | Nightrose | wonders if she can make MatthewWilkes say something in German |
| 21:48.00 | MatzeWilkes | hab schon was gesagt⦠|
| 21:48.34 | Nightrose | :D |
| 21:49.57 | thebolt | hi MatzeWilkes |
| 21:50.02 | thebolt | (and hi Nightrose ) |
| 21:50.27 | Nightrose | awww |
| 21:50.27 | Nightrose | i don't get a proper hi? |
| 21:50.27 | Nightrose | :P |
| 21:50.38 | MatzeWilkes | Nightrose: He likes me more. |
| 21:50.41 | MatzeWilkes | Hi thebolt |
| 21:50.45 | thebolt | ok, hi Nightrose :) |
| 21:50.48 | Nightrose | -.- |
| 21:50.48 | Nightrose | \o/ |
| 21:50.51 | thebolt | but i don't know you really ;) |
| 21:50.52 | Nightrose | hi thebolt |
| 21:51.04 | Nightrose | well well well |
| 21:51.06 | MatzeWilkes | For those of you keeping score at home, this is the name I have to use for germans to understand that I'm not "Max Wilkinson" |
| 21:51.06 | Nightrose | time to change that? |
| 21:51.18 | thebolt | I don't know MatzeWilkes either i guess.. but i pretend |
| 21:51.19 | Nightrose | lol |
| 21:51.19 | thebolt | could be ;) |
| 21:51.45 | Nightrose | <- Lydia - people geek, tiny, loves chocolate and strawberries and kde |
| 21:52.35 | thebolt | <- Marten, tech geek, big, loves chocolate and strawberries (can be mixed) and stuff without UI :P |
| 21:52.43 | Nightrose | lol |
| 21:53.35 | thebolt | in fact, i hate UI coding :P |
| 21:53.44 | MatzeWilkes | <- Matthew, language/science geek, 188cm, actually not that fond of chocolate, but loves beer, loves python |
| 21:53.45 | MatzeWilkes | :D |
| 21:54.04 | gevaerts | gives MatzeWilkes some chocolate |
| 21:54.20 | thebolt | beer is good, true |
| 21:54.38 | MatzeWilkes | Can we get Leffe in the US? |
| 21:54.39 | redheadphones | highlights 'beer' |
| 21:54.46 | MatzeWilkes | It would go well for the chocolate tasting |
| 21:54.57 | thebolt | MatzeWilkes: hm, never seen it there.. but should be possible? |
| 21:55.03 | MatzeWilkes | redheadphones: It's on my list too, as well as gin and some others |
| 21:55.16 | MatzeWilkes | thebolt: Leffe brun and dark chocolate is an amazing combination |
| 21:55.21 | thebolt | true, true |
| 21:55.30 | thebolt | although, leffe isn't top of my list when it comes to beers |
| 21:55.38 | MatzeWilkes | No, but it's top when it comes to chocolate |
| 21:55.49 | thebolt | and, i like the combination dark chocolate and dark, aged, rhum |
| 21:56.02 | redheadphones | i also like the regex highlights, so 'bee+r' works for me |
| 21:56.59 | MatzeWilkes | wonders how 'uniform' got into his highlights hist |
| 21:57.04 | thebolt | hehe |
| 21:57.36 | thebolt | i have a signle word in my highlight list.. |
| 21:57.37 | thebolt | (my nick) |
| 21:58.15 | MatzeWilkes | We have jarnians (company I work for), wetribaians (project I was last on), and chanserv |
| 21:58.17 | redheadphones | highlighting 'http' is nice for catching links |
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| 21:58.32 | MatzeWilkes | chanserv is useful, nice for grabbing everyone in a channel, and autocompleteable |
| 22:00.31 | carols | MatzeWilkes: i know with certainty we can get Leffe in the US. |
| 22:00.48 | carols | MatzeWilkes: i drink it quite a bit :-) |
| 22:00.54 | MatzeWilkes | carols: Good, good! I may have to send someone on an errand at the summit |
| 22:01.16 | MatzeWilkes | carols: I would go myself, but, you know, a biometric passport isn't ID enough for liquor stores in california |
| 22:01.34 | thebolt | MatzeWilkes: what? you had trobules with that? never stopped me when in US.. |
| 22:02.02 | carols | thebolt: i wouldn't really call liquor store clerks in silicon valley representative of most of the US. |
| 22:02.07 | MatzeWilkes | I went with someone, hmm, can't remember who, to the one own the road from the whild palms |
| 22:02.21 | MatzeWilkes | Oh, it was tarek ziade from psf |
| 22:02.29 | thebolt | carols: well, 5 out of 7 times in US I was in bay area / SF |
| 22:02.36 | MatzeWilkes | We then had to come back and get arc to buy the beers for us like a couple of 12 year olds |
| 22:02.43 | carols | thebolt: SF is a different planet entirely :-) |
| 22:03.01 | thebolt | MatzeWilkes: think i have been to same place.. just other side fo road from wild palms? |
| 22:03.06 | thebolt | carols: different than? |
| 22:03.16 | MatzeWilkes | thebolt: No, left when you leave and a few hundred yards |
| 22:03.20 | thebolt | MatzeWilkes: ah, ok |
| 22:03.32 | thebolt | i seem to remember there is a place other side of the road, no? |
| 22:03.57 | MatzeWilkes | thebolt: Yeah, when he told us to take our custom elsewhere (SERIOUSLY! Who says that?) he suggested there |
| 22:04.47 | brik | what's worth seeing in SF? going there next month |
| 22:05.02 | thebolt | brik: i like just walking around in the city ;) |
| 22:05.08 | MatzeWilkes | brik: I've heard good things about the cable car museum |
| 22:05.14 | thebolt | (but i like that about all cities) |
| 22:05.35 | thebolt | just walking around in SF gives you some exercise at the same time ;) |
| 22:05.47 | MatzeWilkes | starts singing the random song from KUSF to himself |
| 22:06.07 | MatzeWilkes | "I come from bavariaaaaa, and and I love the cable car" |
| 22:06.17 | thebolt | haha |
| 22:06.18 | gevaerts | thebolt: you *can* stay near the water! |
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| 22:06.30 | brik | thebolt: I hear segways are a good way of getting around the city :p:p |
| 22:07.01 | ThomasWaldmann | MatzeWilkes: yeah, that museum is interesting |
| 22:07.10 | thebolt | gevaerts: but that is not as nice |
| 22:07.20 | thebolt | gevaerts: walk up and down lombard street a few times ;) |
| 22:07.20 | brik | goes to check out museum |
| 22:07.31 | gevaerts | thebolt: once is enough :) |
| 22:07.37 | thebolt | gevaerts: bah :P |
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| 22:08.07 | gevaerts | <- Frank, out of shape :) |
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| 22:10.00 | thebolt | gevaerts: wish i could say i am in shape.. but nah.. |
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| 22:13.46 | MatzeWilkes | I was going to go do physical stuff today, honest |
| 22:13.49 | MatzeWilkes | but then eyestrain |
| 22:13.52 | MatzeWilkes | so came home and slept |
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| 22:16.04 | MatzeWilkes | Nightrose: hehehehe, someone retweeted your PSA :D :P |
| 22:16.33 | Nightrose | MatzeWilkes: :D |
| 22:16.36 | Nightrose | perfect |
| 22:16.43 | Nightrose | who? |
| 22:17.00 | MatzeWilkes | saidinesh5 |
| 22:17.11 | Nightrose | aha! |
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| 22:17.31 | Nightrose | one of our indian guys :) |
| 22:17.54 | Nightrose | ok - time for bed here - good night folks |
| 22:18.08 | MatzeWilkes | Nightrose: Wimp ;) ni-night |
| 22:18.27 | Nightrose | lol |
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| 22:21.16 | rrix | MatzeWilkes: He can't help it if you guys rock :p |
| 22:21.57 | MatzeWilkes | rrix: :D Your nick always confuses me, one of our mentors is rnix |
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| 22:25.15 | rrix | hehehe |
| 22:25.27 | rrix | Is their last name nix, because that's pretty awesome. |
| 22:25.43 | MatzeWilkes | Unfortunately not |
| 22:25.47 | MatzeWilkes | Niederreiter |
| 22:25.48 | rrix | b'aw |
| 22:25.58 | rrix | was hoping he had found a doppleganger |
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| 22:29.32 | rrix | just implemented a linked list for his OOP class. Why does my education seem like a waste of time? :( |
| 22:30.25 | brik | rrix: :) |
| 22:30.37 | brik | I did that at some point too |
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| 22:32.39 | MatzeWilkes | rrix: It's to teach you not to do stuff like that in the real world |
| 22:32.50 | MatzeWilkes | You think for years "Why do I have to do this? It's a waste of time" |
| 22:33.04 | MatzeWilkes | then when you get a real job you don't waste your time on that stuff |
| 22:33.21 | Catfish_Man | thinks implementing a hash table, at least, is good for people |
| 22:33.21 | MatzeWilkes | self-taught programmers re-invent the wheel a lot more in their first few years of work |
| 22:33.25 | Catfish_Man | too many people consider 'em magical |
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| 22:33.34 | MatzeWilkes | Catfish_Man: And that too :) |
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| 22:35.00 | dfighter | [2011-4-15 00:29] * rrix just implemented a linked list for his OOP class. Why does my education seem like a waste of time? :( |
| 22:35.02 | dfighter | it's not a waste |
| 22:35.12 | dfighter | you have to implement it to see how it works in action |
| 22:35.29 | dfighter | so you know which data structure to choose when you actually have to |
| 22:35.47 | Catfish_Man | dfighter: implement and profile, I would say. Merely writing a linked list does not illustrate its cache behavior vs arrays |
| 22:36.06 | Catfish_Man | the fact that arrays and linked lists have the same big-O iteration performance is misleading |
| 22:36.41 | beng-nl | indeed, big-O isn't everything |
| 22:36.44 | dfighter | yes but Catfish_Man, I was more about the fact that it's grows for example, and you can take out any element |
| 22:36.50 | dfighter | without having to rearrange it all |
| 22:36.53 | Catfish_Man | sure |
| 22:37.22 | dfighter | also from OOP perspective they probably also haev to do it to learn how to decouple things |
| 22:37.28 | dfighter | how to make it look "nice" |
| 22:37.45 | dfighter | have* |
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| 22:38.03 | dfighter | sometimes wishes mirc had a spell checker |
| 22:38.23 | Catfish_Man | dfighter: implementing a list class that adaptively picked different implementations under the hood would be a neat encapsulation demo for a class |
| 22:38.39 | dfighter | :) |
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