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| 07:21.23 | kai | morning |
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| 07:25.53 | kai | hey thebolt, doing ok, a bit short on sleep over the week-end. spend too much time building a stage for a theatre production |
| 07:26.12 | kai | fortunately we're done and they're playing this week |
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| 07:34.09 | thebolt | :) |
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| 07:59.50 | vikash | Can the gsocbot be added to #gsoc-india |
| 08:03.16 | scorche | erm - why? |
| 08:03.25 | scorche | *this* is the gsoc channel |
| 08:03.55 | scorche | also, technically, the channel #gsoc-india violates freenode's naming policy... |
| 08:04.19 | kai | scorche: it's ##gsoc-india, actually |
| 08:04.26 | scorche | thats better |
| 08:04.41 | vikash | scorche, I am sorry I missed '##' |
| 08:05.10 | scorche | vikash: it is quite easy to set up your own bot |
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| 08:06.24 | vikash | scorche, I know I tried supybot on #lugmanipal but I thought having the same bot would be nice also the bot is vert intelligent and has basic necessary key's already |
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| 08:07.22 | SukhE | The bot has turned 'intelligent'? Beware! |
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| 08:08.08 | vikash | #lugmanipal is --> Linux Users Group Manipal, and I feel great in informing this year we have 5 students selected from LUGM and overall 8 from Manipal |
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| 08:09.52 | scorche | vikash: of course, i am not the bot's owner, but i would imagine that this sort of thing is not desired - plus, i would hate to "endorse" one third-party channel and not others that could be out there wanting the same thing - also, factoids in this sort of situation tend to split into relevant ones for channel A and not channel B (which is why the bot's default is to have a separate database for each channel it is in |
| 08:10.32 | vikash | ok! |
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| 08:10.51 | vikash | scorche, Oh! I guess I didnt think so far |
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| 08:13.17 | kai | SukhE: as a biologist, I'd be very surprised if that happened. as a computer scientist, I doubt gsocbot would pass a turing test |
| 08:13.20 | vikash | thank scorche and kai |
| 08:13.42 | vikash | and SukhE |
| 08:14.01 | SukhE | kai: But it was turning intelligent! Don't you secretly wish your gsocbot to become aware? ;) |
| 08:14.38 | kai | no, to be honest I don't like programs trying to be smart |
| 08:15.09 | kai | in many cases that turns out to be artificial stupidity more than anything else |
| 08:15.30 | SukhE | Haha. Ok! |
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| 08:17.28 | johnbendi | hi All |
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| 08:43.21 | ssdssd | !botabuse |
| 08:43.21 | gsocbot | ssdssd: "botabuse" is (#1) If you want to play with the bot, please do so in a private /query so as not to spam the channel, or (#2) When in a query with me, use whatis #gsoc <factoid>, or (#3) You can also get a list of factoids with 'factoids search #gsoc *' and 'more' |
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| 08:51.34 | kai | grabs some popcorn |
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| 09:19.21 | SRabbelier | kai: yup |
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| 10:25.24 | johnbendi | hi |
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| 10:28.32 | kai | meh |
| 10:28.50 | kai | I need to get my boss to get me a better computer it seems |
| 10:29.53 | rrix | Story of my life ;) |
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| 10:30.47 | johnbendi | how can a non-partcipant benefit from all the coding mentorship going on at gsoc? |
| 10:32.36 | johnbendi | there has to be a way of looking at the materials being exchanged during the summer |
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| 10:34.35 | Ivanovic | johnbendi: what exactly do you mean? |
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| 10:34.43 | Ivanovic | the mentoring is mainly "direct talking" |
| 10:34.47 | Ivanovic | via mail, irc, ... |
| 10:35.10 | Ivanovic | and the mentoring is not about writing additional docs how to get started, but about direct answers to explicit questions |
| 10:35.24 | Ivanovic | as well as "this feels strange to me, can you have a look at it?" situations |
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| 10:35.45 | Ivanovic | mentorship == giving a helping hand when required |
| 10:35.50 | johnbendi | ok..where will those communicaions be happening |
| 10:35.57 | Ivanovic | depends on the projects |
| 10:36.23 | Ivanovic | there is *nothing* defined by google in those regards |
| 10:36.37 | johnbendi | so that even if I don't get a chance to ask the direct questions at least I can see it and know how they were answered |
| 10:36.45 | beng-nl | johnbendi: "via mail, irc, ..." |
| 10:36.52 | Ivanovic | it can be by meeting in person (unrealistic for most pairings of students/mentors!), it can be via mail, via some instant messaging service, via irc, ... |
| 10:37.05 | Ivanovic | johnbendi: we are talking about open source here |
| 10:37.14 | Ivanovic | johnbendi: you can *always* ask questions and most projects will answer them |
| 10:37.20 | Ivanovic | no matter if in summer of code or not |
| 10:37.33 | johnbendi | ok |
| 10:37.43 | Ivanovic | johnbendi: since most projects know that new contributors have several questions before they really get into stuff |
| 10:38.24 | Ivanovic | the best thing to do: go to a project you are interested in contributing to |
| 10:38.29 | Ivanovic | ask them how to best get started |
| 10:38.33 | svaksha | johnbendi: check the devel-lists for the project you are interested in |
| 10:38.44 | Ivanovic | if you already have an idea what you want to work on: ask for the best starting point for this one |
| 10:39.00 | Ivanovic | if you don't: at least state your interests and ask where help is required and how to best get in there |
| 10:39.58 | johnbendi | ok I will look at your suggestions and ask questions later... thanks for the advice |
| 10:40.42 | johnbendi | I had started feeling I had missed out on an opprtunity to learn quickly via these mentoring that will be going on at gsoc |
| 10:41.21 | Ivanovic | johnbendi: most open source projects are *really* welcoming to new people |
| 10:42.06 | svaksha | johnbendi: if the mentoring discussions are via private mail or irc, then nobody can see those logs although the final code will be public. |
| 10:43.42 | johnbendi | svaksha: that was what I was referring to when I meant how to peek in on those communications that would be happening via private mail or irc.. but as Ivanovic has pointed out.. |
| 10:44.16 | johnbendi | most open source projects are *really* welcoming |
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| 10:44.33 | svaksha | johnbendi: it really depends on the project and the mentor-mentee ...there is no single answer unfortunately :) |
| 10:44.50 | svaksha | johnbendi: yes, new contributors are always welcome |
| 10:44.55 | johnbendi | ok |
| 10:44.59 | Ivanovic | johnbendi: in fact they have to be welcoming or the projects die eventually |
| 10:45.10 | Ivanovic | since there are always people leaving you also have to get new blood in |
| 10:45.41 | Ivanovic | eg gsoc is a good way of attracting some attention of potential new "long time contributors" |
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| 10:46.41 | johnbendi | I understand your points clearly now |
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| 11:50.08 | Xeli | With the risk of this question being asked a thousand times already: Is it correct that the emails with the info for what we need to provide for GSoC have not been send? (Tax info/ College cards /etc) |
| 11:50.44 | SukhE | That's correct, they have not been sent as of now. |
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| 11:51.51 | Xeli | Ah good, with all the emails coming from the mail list i was afraid the mail was caught by the spamfiler, thank you :) |
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| 11:56.12 | Xeli | I've added that now, thanks for the tip :) |
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| 13:22.36 | abhinav- | hi I wanted to remove my contact details from my proposal , is it possible to do it now ? (I've already shared my contact details with the organization privately, so no point keeping them in the proposal which is public) |
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| 13:40.13 | abhinav- | SRabbelier: hi, could you answer my query posted above ? thanks :) |
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| 13:40.46 | SRabbelier | abhinav-: you could ask your organization to allow you to edit your proposal |
| 13:41.02 | abhinav- | ah ok thanks :) |
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| 14:09.54 | gsocbot | blacktooth: "numapps" is 417 mentoring orgs applied and 175 were accepted this year; 5474 proposals were submitted by 3731 students, and 1116 were accepted. In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and 151 were accepted; 5539 proposals were submitted by 3464 students, and 1026 were accepted. |
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| 17:00.15 | kblin | hey carols, how's things? |
| 17:00.24 | carols | hey kblin |
| 17:00.28 | carols | things are good, how are you? |
| 17:00.30 | dberkholz | morning |
| 17:00.51 | dberkholz | with any luck it'll be a good afternoon, since i've got a laptop tech on his way to fix my computer (4 weeks later...) |
| 17:01.17 | carols | good morning dberkholz |
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| 17:09.16 | akashm1990 | carols, can I PM? |
| 17:09.35 | carols | akashm1990: sure |
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| 17:11.17 | kblin | dberkholz: feeling like graphing stuff again? |
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| 17:12.54 | akashm1990 | Does this get updated after complation of GSoC, or earlier? |
| 17:12.54 | akashm1990 | https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AgL4N-OdGxhQcDZEdW9BMmxKVG9LbVV6b1NxNnJhWlE&gid=5 |
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| 17:16.10 | dberkholz | kblin: maybe, if it's sufficiently interesting. otherwise i'm kinda busy =P |
| 17:16.32 | kblin | dberkholz: mostly joking, I can graph it myself |
| 17:16.51 | dberkholz | goes back to reading about cis peptides |
| 17:17.11 | kblin | I've got the timepoints on people's typing !next and !countdown on the result announcement day |
| 17:19.12 | dberkholz | wow, you're really procrastinating something. |
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| 17:54.52 | ahel | i'd like to know if there were other italians accepted among student this year. it's possible to know? |
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| 17:55.34 | carols | ahel: we'll publish statistics about the program in a couple weeks. sit tight. |
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| 17:56.00 | ahel | cool! thank you carol! :) |
| 17:56.07 | ahel | *carols |
| 17:56.12 | carols | yw |
| 17:56.18 | ahel | :) |
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| 19:17.25 | viranch | hi, is it possible to do an internship with a firm while doing gsoc? i know, it will burn me out, but is it allowed rules-wise? |
| 19:17.49 | kblin | !faq |
| 19:17.49 | gsocbot | kblin: "faq" is http://goo.gl/Up2Qf |
| 19:19.32 | kblin | http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/faqs#time_student |
| 19:20.33 | harriswong | viranch: http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2011/03/dos-and-donts-of-google-summer-of-code.html, read "Make Google Summer of Code your top priority." |
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| 19:22.53 | userinit | What does it mean when someone from the press asks for "... is it possible to arrange to get a review copy of this software"? |
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| 19:28.44 | kblin | userinit: that they either want a version that's stable enough to review, or they down't grok free software |
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| 19:34.43 | Dae-ekleN | hello. i still haven't received instructions on providing proof of enrollment and i'm going not to be available on 7-19 of May as i mentioned in my application. will providing proofs after 19-20 of May influence on smth besides receiving payment not in time? is it normal? |
| 19:40.56 | brik | Dae-ekleN: last year the deadline for submitting proof of enrollment was the 17th of May (and we got the instructions on the 3rd, so can always hope you get a mail in the next few days) - not sure what happens if you don't submit them on time though |
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| 19:44.34 | waldi | the faq includes some informations about this |
| 19:45.05 | kblin | brik: well, either google sends out one of their ninja death squads or you won't get paid until you provide the necessary paperwork |
| 19:45.23 | kblin | I never can remember which of these options it was |
| 19:45.34 | brik | ^ Dae-ekleN |
| 19:45.55 | brik | I'd get it in on time just to be safe... |
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| 19:53.48 | sfb | Ninja Death Squads are serious business. |
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| 19:59.52 | kblin | hm, amazing |
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| 20:09.44 | Dae-ekleN | thanks, i'll do all possible to provide proofs on time. faq tells only that payment will be delayed but i'm actually asking about other consequances if they are |
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| 20:29.50 | kblin | hm, I seem to be unable to get gnuplot to do what I want |
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| 20:34.29 | dberkholz | kblin: ? |
| 20:35.24 | kblin | dberkholz: I have a list of timepoints, and I'd like gnuplot to bin them into, say, 30-minute intervals and then do a histogram of them |
| 20:35.38 | dberkholz | gnuplot isn't very good at histograms |
| 20:35.39 | kblin | but it seems like gnuplot doesn't like having just one axis |
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| 20:36.28 | dberkholz | kblin: http://pastebin.com/j1ZiBaVZ |
| 20:36.49 | dberkholz | that's an example that will make histograms and equivalent kernel-density estimates |
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| 20:37.34 | alesis-novik | I seem to always find myself using R or Matlab to plot things in the end |
| 20:38.31 | kblin | dberkholz: which my old-fashioned gnuplot version can't do :) |
| 20:38.41 | dberkholz | ignore the kde part and just do the histogram one |
| 20:38.52 | kblin | alesis-novik: I couldn't get matlab to grok that it should import a series of dates :) |
| 20:39.00 | dberkholz | it's based on frequency smoothing and a hand-written binning function |
| 20:42.03 | kblin | obs is the number of observations? |
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| 20:42.35 | dberkholz | kblin: yep, if you want to normalize it |
| 20:42.43 | dberkholz | otherwise just use 1 |
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| 20:53.04 | kblin | still not reading the dates correctly |
| 20:55.01 | dberkholz | fix your gnuplot |
| 20:55.23 | dberkholz | actually just tell it the correct time format and it should read them fine |
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| 20:57.33 | kblin | dberkholz: set timefmt "%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S"; set xdata time |
| 20:58.45 | dberkholz | i think there's another one too. |
| 20:59.07 | dberkholz | oh, that's just for the labels |
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| 21:00.14 | dberkholz | gnuplot handles time stuff really strangely |
| 21:00.27 | dberkholz | i think it converts all the numbers to seconds, maybe in epoch time |
| 21:00.37 | dberkholz | so you'll need to consider that when doing binning, if that's the problem |
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| 21:06.31 | kblin | dberkholz: if I try the binning, it seems to bin everything into one bin |
| 21:07.11 | kblin | ah, screw this |
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| 21:07.29 | dberkholz | kblin: i'd just fiddle with the binsize in factors of 10 to see if i could find a range that worked |
| 21:08.37 | kblin | I'll write a script tomorrow that goes over the data in 30-minute steps and counts all the calls during that time |
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| 21:08.48 | kblin | and then I'll just plot that |
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| 21:14.49 | kblin | dberkholz: I'm getting a Warning: empty x range [2011.5:2011.5], adjusting to [1991.38:2031.62] |
| 21:15.00 | kblin | which does look a tad suspicious |
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| 21:15.40 | kblin | oh well, bedtime |
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