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| 00:30.47 | Brett1 | hi new here, i like programming and want some real world experiance |
| 00:31.45 | Brett1 | is anyone alive? ill talk to a bot also though |
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| 00:33.20 | saksham | Brett1: The GSoC student selection is over for this year. you can work informally with orgs though |
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| 00:37.58 | Brett1 | can i get a link to a list of the orgs doing projects this year? |
| 00:38.33 | aseering | Brett1: There's a link on the GSoC homepage, <http://www.google-melange.com/> |
| 00:38.53 | aseering | click "See all 175 participating organizations" |
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| 00:40.46 | Brett1 | ahh there they are, sneaky link with no underline. the web designer should know better then to mess with the underlines |
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| 00:45.18 | dfighter | Brett1 you don't neccessarily need to choose from one of the projects who are mentoring students in GSOC, with a little search you can find much much much much more than these |
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| 00:45.40 | dfighter | and I'm pretty sure any project can use help |
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| 00:46.36 | Triskelios | http://openhatch.org/ is a way to find projects looking for help |
| 00:47.09 | Brett1 | yup its a matter of picking one i like, doing a bit or research, then adding features and squashing bugs |
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| 04:45.58 | milki | lol. i love messing with underlines on webpages |
| 04:46.03 | milki | the default is ugly! |
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| 04:53.29 | gsocbot | sagar: "next" is accepted students get to know their community and mentors better. |
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| 10:14.07 | firk | hey guys. Did I miss something? The list if flooded with all kinds of emails :|.. AFAIK, neither Carol nor anyone else from google has requested ANY docs yet, right? Or did I miss some announcement? |
| 10:14.51 | kai | rumour has it that google groups allows searching emails |
| 10:14.56 | aghisla | runs away, the flood has reached the irc channel! |
| 10:15.48 | kai | a good trick is filtering all emails coming from @google.com and making sure to read those |
| 10:16.07 | firk | Yeah, I've heard so too :P But was wondering if the announcements come from Carol ONLY? |
| 10:16.13 | firk | Ah yeah |
| 10:17.07 | kai | I'd expect the important emails are coming from carol, but then again so far I didn't get spammed from the other googlers either |
| 10:17.49 | firk | Right. And there hasn't been any request for docs yet. I wonder why everyone is panicking. Hrm. |
| 10:18.31 | firk | Well, at least its not those "introduce yourself" mails like last year :P |
| 10:18.44 | kai | not _yet_ ;) |
| 10:19.40 | aghisla | don't give that hint :P |
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| 10:25.21 | waldi | firk: it is weird. all the people spoutering about tax forms produces TOFU |
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| 10:30.30 | kai | waldi: I blame the gmail reply function |
| 10:31.55 | waldi | yeah. so ignoring @gmail.com is the way to go |
| 10:35.58 | kai | that's another way to look at it, yeah |
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| 14:08.46 | gsocbot | yeskarthik: "next" is accepted students get to know their community and mentors better. |
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| 14:09.15 | pratikone | is this official stats : https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AgL4N-OdGxhQcDZEdW9BMmxKVG9LbVV6b1NxNnJhWlE&gid=2 |
| 14:09.21 | pratikone | ? |
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| 14:15.06 | yeskarthik | 2011 isn't there.. |
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| 14:18.19 | kai | wonders what hemisphere = P is supposed to mean... "poth"? |
| 14:18.53 | sfb | hahah |
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| 14:19.04 | yeskarthik | kai, maybe the pole :P |
| 14:19.12 | sfb | I literally live with one leg on either side of the equator. |
| 14:19.15 | aghisla | "perfect" |
| 14:19.32 | kai | unlikely, you tend to be able to sort poles by hemisphere |
| 14:20.34 | gevaerts | Maybe it indicates those who don't believe in a spheroid earth? |
| 14:20.45 | yeskarthik | kai, or maybe another planet. pluto |
| 14:20.58 | gevaerts | But it's not one! |
| 14:20.59 | kai | !fail |
| 14:20.59 | gsocbot | kai: "fail" is That's not one of my factoids. Pay attention! |
| 14:21.09 | kai | what gevaerts said :) |
| 14:21.47 | downeym | I think P probably stands for polysemous |
| 14:22.40 | downeym | ... or perhaps just "puzzling" |
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| 15:00.09 | gsocbot | blacktooth: "numapps" is 417 mentoring orgs applied and 175 were accepted this year; 5474 proposals were submitted by 3731 students, and 1116 were accepted. In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and 151 were accepted; 5539 proposals were submitted by 3464 students, and 1026 were accepted. |
| 15:01.22 | blacktooth | !next |
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| 15:31.32 | MatthewWilkes | I think we have a winner for biggest discussion list idiot |
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| 15:34.46 | waldi | MatthewWilkes: -v? |
| 15:35.11 | MatthewWilkes | waldi: Subject: How to put the GSOC experience in LinkedIn or simmilar |
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| 15:40.12 | aghisla | Facebook would have been funnier :P |
| 15:40.48 | |Kev| | Twitter would have been better still. |
| 15:41.07 | waldi | MatthewWilkes: oh. i don't read that list |
| 15:41.18 | |Kev| | Why on Earth not? :) |
| 15:41.24 | abhinav- | I read about it on twitter |
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| 15:43.22 | akashm1990 | MatthewWilkes: I think he was just asking the appropriate title. "Student Contract developer" |
| 15:44.49 | MatthewWilkes | akashm1990: "Idiot"? |
| 15:45.48 | akashm1990 | MatthewWilkes: yup |
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| 16:21.47 | bitnerd | MatthewWilkes: I really don't think that line of ripping on a student is appropriate for this channel |
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| 16:27.06 | MatthewWilkes | bitnerd: I'll rip on a mentor if they do something that stupid too |
| 16:27.28 | |Kev| | I think the implication may have been that ripping on anyone that harshly is, well, harsh. |
| 16:28.04 | MatthewWilkes | yes, calling someone an idiot twice is really very harsh⦠|
| 16:28.47 | |Kev| | I think it was the reply, rather than what you said here. |
| 16:30.05 | MatthewWilkes | "in this channel" |
| 16:30.32 | MatthewWilkes | but, yeah, I didn't include the harsh things there |
| 16:30.42 | bitnerd | I indeed think it is rude and inconsiderate to use that type of language "in this channel" |
| 16:31.42 | MatthewWilkes | bitnerd: It is rude, that was the point⦠|
| 16:31.59 | bitnerd | said my piece now steps away |
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| 16:56.08 | bripkens | Hi guys - just wondering - have the accepted students already been added to the private student mailing list? |
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| 17:04.31 | neverpanic | bripkens: yes |
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| 17:05.03 | bripkens | neverpanic: well then I don't seem to be on the list - at least I haven't got any mail |
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| 17:06.03 | neverpanic | bripkens: you would have noticed if you were on the list. IIRC there was no mail to tell you that you've been added, but there were a number of mails afterwards... |
| 17:08.34 | bripkens | neverpanic: thank you - just send a message to the owners of the list |
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| 17:20.13 | kblin | neverpanic: all you thousand students need to be added manually |
| 17:21.05 | kblin | given that there's one person at google doing this, expect some lag |
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| 17:21.37 | kblin | hey carols |
| 17:21.53 | carols | hey kblin |
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| 17:50.20 | logiclord | are we supposed to download required forms from somewhere or google will send a hard copy ? |
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| 17:53.41 | carols | logiclord: just be patient. all will be revealed to you. |
| 17:54.12 | logiclord | okay :) |
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| 17:54.36 | gevaerts | *all*? |
| 17:56.50 | bitnerd | the oracle has spoken |
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| 17:58.15 | gevaerts | Maybe gsoc students have more advantages than I thought. The value of having everything revealed to you is hard to underestimate |
| 17:58.42 | gevaerts | hm |
| 17:58.44 | gevaerts | overestimate |
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| 17:58.59 | gevaerts | left his brain at work today |
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| 19:09.48 | slashdot | !next |
| 19:09.49 | gsocbot | slashdot: "next" is accepted students get to know their community and mentors better. |
| 19:10.08 | houbsi | gosh, she asked to reply only to her, and not to the list. 8 minutes later 1st mail replied to the list .... |
| 19:10.43 | CrawfordComeaux | what's this about gsoc paying orgs? |
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| 19:12.06 | anth_x | each org gets $500/student. |
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| 19:13.41 | CrawfordComeaux | oh well fantastic! |
| 19:13.49 | brik | doesn't that go directly to the mentor? |
| 19:14.16 | akashm1990 | carols: Will the packages have tracking numbers? |
| 19:15.10 | vikash | carols, Thanks! |
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| 19:15.54 | anth_x | no. the money goes to the org. i've heard some orgs pay their mentors, but it's not "expected". |
| 19:16.16 | Hexxeh | Just got the email regarding documents, our college ID cards are only issued for the year in which you join, they didn't bother doing new ones for our second year, so will I need to get a letter specifically from my college stating that I'm enrolled there? |
| 19:17.40 | houbsi | i think yes hexxeh, it says a document where your period is on. and if you receive only one for all years, they don't put the time on it ;) |
| 19:17.50 | Hexxeh | Also, for the Student Foreign Certification, can I still sign this even if I plan on using servers located in the US for builds? (If so, probably easier for me to just build elsewhere) |
| 19:17.54 | Hexxeh | houbsi: Righto, thanks :) |
| 19:20.31 | houbsi | Invalid XSRF token. does anyone knows what this means? |
| 19:21.17 | carols | akashm1990: yes, i will have tracking info on all the packages. |
| 19:21.48 | eoc | houbsi: a bit of context would be appreciated :) |
| 19:21.53 | houbsi | i want to upload my enrollment form, but the website doesn't allow "Invalid XSRF token" â¦. yeh :D |
| 19:21.58 | houbsi | betteR? :) |
| 19:22.25 | eoc | looks like a django problem then |
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| 19:22.38 | eoc | I've seen this with another django app |
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| 19:22.45 | nazg-gul | hi everybody |
| 19:22.47 | houbsi | grate⦠do wait... |
| 19:23.19 | houbsi | setting "additional info" are we forced to do this? or is this free to choose? |
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| 19:23.58 | houbsi | carols: quick question, student id's in french, are there okay? |
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| 19:26.16 | t_king | hi |
| 19:26.28 | carols | houbsi: they need to be translated, as per the doc. |
| 19:26.45 | akashm1990 | carols: thanks |
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| 19:27.11 | akashm1990 | hopes customs doesnt eat my package |
| 19:27.14 | Hexxeh | We have an online attendance and enrolment system, is a screencap of a page showing my enrolment dates and student info acceptable? |
| 19:27.57 | houbsi | carols: my student ID, a txt document with translation would be enough? |
| 19:28.02 | carols | houbsi: yes |
| 19:28.17 | houbsi | carols: thanks :) that will be easy :) |
| 19:28.48 | Hexxeh | Maybe in combination with the ID card I have (last years, since they didn't bother issuing us with new ones) |
| 19:28.54 | t_king | 0 |
| 19:30.31 | nazg-gul | i've got a "School name selected from autocomplete" TODO at my dashboard. is there a way to check if my university is know by Google under different name (i used full name from our english version of site, the same name is used in some publication of our students/postgraduate, english wiki page know our uni under name i've provided and Google Maps directs me to correct location when i use name of uni i've specified in my profile) |
| 19:31.00 | nazg-gul | or this TODO isn't so critical and could do nothing about it? |
| 19:32.06 | ThFabba | nazg-gul: just click on it in a browser that supports it (I used Chrome, Opera didn't like it :p), and on the profile page use the autocomplete, as the text suggests. Or does it not show up there? |
| 19:32.17 | t_king | kk |
| 19:32.47 | DarthGandalf | carols: hi, will money go to card only after I receive the card? |
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| 19:33.23 | cand | hi, I can't access any of the citi prepaid links |
| 19:33.23 | carols | DarthGandalf: the cards are shipped with your initial payment and aren't available until you activate the card. |
| 19:33.28 | cand | https://www.na.citiprepaid.com/content/tips.do etc |
| 19:33.54 | cand | they all time out. downforeveryoneorjustme says it's up tho |
| 19:34.03 | DarthGandalf | carols: activating the card == using some password known by only me? |
| 19:34.10 | carols | DarthGandalf: yes |
| 19:34.33 | cand | can anyone else outside us access those? I suspect a geo restriction |
| 19:34.59 | Hexxeh | So wait, we get prepaid cards? Can we just unload the funds off those into our own accounts somehow? |
| 19:35.04 | nazg-gul | ThFabba: well, i'm using chromium. i've opened my profile page and typing text to "School name" field, no autocomplete shows here =\ |
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| 19:35.43 | akashm1990 | cand: from India: get You are now logged out of your account. |
| 19:35.59 | cand | akashm1990, thanks |
| 19:36.10 | DarthGandalf | cand: I even can't open the site... Times out |
| 19:36.14 | akashm1990 | are they supposed to show anything btw? |
| 19:36.28 | cand | well I expected a FAQ page ;) |
| 19:37.06 | Hexxeh | invalid XSRF token, d'oh. Presume everyone's getting this right now. |
| 19:37.23 | houbsi | carols: my school name is not in the list, they are "new" after a fusion of several schools.. |
| 19:37.23 | akashm1990 | Hexxeh: where? |
| 19:37.29 | Hexxeh | uploading tax form |
| 19:37.51 | cand | also, what Hexxeh said (can we get the $ out any other way than paying with the card) |
| 19:38.07 | carols | houbsi: ask SRabbelier |
| 19:38.09 | ThFabba | Oh, well I'll line in with the questions :D Is it okay to insert a scan of my signature into the (foreign) tax form instead of printing/signing/scanning, so as to save paper, time and bandwidth? Or is that legally problematic in the US? |
| 19:38.27 | houbsi | SRabbelier: my school name is not in the list, they are "new" after a fusion of several schools.. |
| 19:38.28 | SRabbelier | was just about to go into hiding |
| 19:38.31 | SRabbelier | too slow |
| 19:38.42 | houbsi | MWHAHAHAHAHAHA =D |
| 19:38.44 | houbsi | i got him |
| 19:38.49 | SRabbelier | houbsi: ask carols about having your school added to the official Google list I suppose? ;) |
| 19:39.16 | carols | SRabbelier: can we just have a place where they can type it in, please? |
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| 19:39.20 | houbsi | graah, nice pushing me from on to the other :D |
| 19:39.22 | SRabbelier | carols: they arleayd have it |
| 19:39.31 | DarthGandalf | Where is the list? I just see red No in TODOS in the school name |
| 19:39.33 | SRabbelier | carols: it's just that the TODO list will nag them till the pick it from the list |
| 19:39.44 | SRabbelier | DarthGandalf: it's autocomplete |
| 19:40.03 | houbsi | SRabbelier: yeah it's bothering me :( but if it's red, its still okay? |
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| 19:41.02 | SRabbelier | houbsi: it makes Cat sad if your school is not on the list |
| 19:41.11 | SRabbelier | houbsi: since then everybody will spell it differently |
| 19:42.21 | DarthGandalf | For my uni, there's an official English name, as stated in English version of our site... |
| 19:42.34 | houbsi | DarthGandalf: local names. |
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| 19:42.56 | SRabbelier | carols: let me know if you want me to change the behavior |
| 19:43.02 | houbsi | DarthGandalf: i checked it, and the school names are in their local names (belgium - french/...) |
| 19:43.05 | akashm1990 | Setting additional info for the project is compulsory? |
| 19:43.06 | DarthGandalf | But text under the box said to use English names if possible? |
| 19:43.20 | carols | SRabbelier: as long as there's a freeform text field in addition to the autocomplete then its the expected behavior. |
| 19:43.21 | SRabbelier | akashm1990: it's recommended ;) |
| 19:43.33 | SRabbelier | carols: not in addition, but you can type whatever you want even if it doesn't match the autocomplete |
| 19:44.13 | carols | SRabbelier: great. im getting a lot of questions about the TODOs, fyi |
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| 19:44.46 | SRabbelier | carols: ok? |
| 19:44.53 | carols | SRabbelier: sure |
| 19:45.10 | DarthGandalf | I tried to type name of school again, but didn't see any autocomplete list... |
| 19:45.25 | SRabbelier | DarthGandalf: could be Google's list doesn't have any for your country |
| 19:45.36 | DarthGandalf | Ah. Then add please it? |
| 19:45.50 | SRabbelier | DarthGandalf: I'm not sure how that works |
| 19:46.00 | SRabbelier | DarthGandalf: as in, I don't know where Google gets it's official list for, nor how it's changed |
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| 19:51.23 | klickverbot | The name of my school in the autocomplete list is wrong â who should I go complain to? ;) |
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| 19:52.57 | SRabbelier | klickverbot: Google :) |
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| 19:53.48 | klickverbot | SRabbelier: No, really, the list has »Vienna Technical University«, but it should be »Vienna University of Technology« ;) |
| 19:53.56 | kblin | evening folks |
| 19:54.19 | SRabbelier | klickverbot: no really, it's Google's list :) |
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| 19:55.26 | kblin | klickverbot: but it's TU Wien, right? |
| 19:55.39 | akashm1990 | The current name of my college, the old name of the university under which my college comes, and the current names of all the colleges under the university.. all are listed for some reason |
| 19:56.09 | kblin | klickverbot: so I'd argue google's better at translating the title than your university is ;) |
| 19:56.14 | klickverbot | kblin: In German, its »Technische Universität Wien«, in English »Vienna University of Technology« (as per http://www.tuwien.ac.at/tuwien_home/EN/) |
| 19:56.28 | kblin | klickverbot: my point exactly |
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| 19:57.07 | kblin | if the english title was correct, I'd expect something like "Technologie-Universität Wien" |
| 19:57.48 | marcg | Hello, I was reading the Student Info webpage Carol emailed, and under the Deadlines section, it says students will receive 505 USD. Is this a typo? |
| 19:58.07 | thiago_berlin | probably not |
| 19:58.08 | akashm1990 | marcg: no |
| 19:58.13 | klickverbot | kblin: Yeah, you might have a point there, but still, I can't choose the official name of my university from the list |
| 19:58.20 | thiago_berlin | the 5 is something that you get charged to take the money out |
| 19:58.29 | DarthGandalf | klickverbot: then type it not from the list |
| 19:58.32 | marcg | thiago_berlin, ah, thank you |
| 19:59.02 | kblin | klickverbot: or just don't bother. google never got the name of my university right |
| 19:59.16 | TyronX | :o |
| 19:59.21 | clr_ | So should we be worrying about tax forms yet etc... yet? |
| 19:59.32 | slashdot | if you are in the US |
| 19:59.36 | klickverbot | DarthGandalf: Guess what I did â but there is a »School name selected from autocomplete« todo item at my dashboard |
| 19:59.41 | TyronX | klickverbot: your also from the tu vienna? |
| 20:00.08 | kblin | clr_: if you use yet twice three words apart, I'd worry about that first |
| 20:00.09 | DarthGandalf | What is "printed name" on the tax form? My full name including patronymic? |
| 20:00.23 | klickverbot | TyronX: Yes (or rather were, I'll be going to Zurich this fall) |
| 20:00.27 | DarthGandalf | klickverbot: I don't have the list at all, and have that No too :( |
| 20:01.00 | TyronX | klickverbot: do you got any idea how to get the proof of enrollment for the tuwien? i can't the them from TISS :/ |
| 20:01.09 | TyronX | i was about to write the dekanat |
| 20:01.09 | SRabbelier | klickverbot: if it's in the list, pick that one |
| 20:01.46 | kblin | !war | SRabbelier |
| 20:01.47 | gsocbot | SRabbelier: "war" is Just don't mention it (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xnNhzgcWTk) |
| 20:02.37 | mpounta | carols: hello i have a question about tax forms requirement |
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| 20:02.54 | SRabbelier | kblin: wait what? |
| 20:02.57 | carols | mpounta: sure |
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| 20:03.20 | SukhE | carols: Quick one. The proof of enrollment I submitted last year -- will that work for this year also or do I need to get a new copy? (It's a properly stamped document with the dates clearly mentioned) |
| 20:03.34 | carols | SukhE: is it effective on april 25, 2011? |
| 20:03.42 | SukhE | carols: Yes and it says that. |
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| 20:03.49 | carols | SukhE: then yes |
| 20:03.55 | SukhE | carols: Ok thank you. |
| 20:04.11 | DarthGandalf | carols: What is "printed name" on the tax form? My full name including patronymic? Or only name+lastname as I stated in profile? |
| 20:04.25 | carols | DarthGandalf: what name do you use on documents? |
| 20:04.54 | DarthGandalf | Aha, got it... thanks |
| 20:05.25 | mpounta | carols: well i am from Greece, and here we don't have to do a tax form if we don't work atm. So i just wanted to ask what exactly info you need? You need just my tax number as a sizized etc or? |
| 20:05.59 | carols | mpounta: if you are outside the US you should submit the foreign certification form as instructed on the document. you read the whole document, right? |
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| 20:06.07 | zfe | hello |
| 20:06.26 | DarthGandalf | mpounta: this form is needed for google, to explain US tax government that you shouldn't pay taxes to them. |
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| 20:07.09 | ThFabba | So, can I scan just my signature instead of printing/signing/scanning the whole foreign certification form? Poor trees! ;p |
| 20:07.29 | nazg-gul | hrm.. tehere's no autocomplete for "Ruassian Federation" at all =\ |
| 20:07.52 | zfe | i think i made a mess |
| 20:07.56 | DarthGandalf | nazg-gul: yeah :( |
| 20:07.59 | zfe | i changed my shipping address really recently |
| 20:08.08 | zfe | and i wonder if my package will be misdelivered then |
| 20:08.18 | nazg-gul | DarthGandalf: wow. u're from russia too? |
| 20:08.23 | DarthGandalf | Yeah. |
| 20:08.37 | DarthGandalf | Novosibirsk |
| 20:08.53 | nazg-gul | DarthGandalf: wow, cool. could i pm you (got Q about address) |
| 20:09.02 | SRabbelier | zfe: I don't think they've been sent yet; carols? |
| 20:09.08 | clr_ | Anyone here getting an XRSF error when submitting documents? |
| 20:09.15 | mpounta | carols: yes my bad, i did read it but this quote "All students are required to submit a tax form to Google." addionally to the tax form requirement in my dashboard confused me and thought i needed to provide a tax form too. sorry and thanks for the help |
| 20:09.19 | carols | zfe: no, they haven't been sent yet. |
| 20:09.20 | DarthGandalf | nazg-gul: ok |
| 20:09.30 | SRabbelier | clr_: yes, apparently there've been other people having that problem, curious |
| 20:09.49 | zfe | ok carols |
| 20:09.49 | clr_ | SRabbelier: just email it in then? |
| 20:09.51 | zfe | thanks a lot |
| 20:09.54 | SRabbelier | clr_: no |
| 20:09.58 | zfe | i change it like 30m ago |
| 20:09.59 | SRabbelier | clr_: can you try refreshing the submission page? |
| 20:10.01 | zfe | *changed |
| 20:10.06 | zfe | cause i forgot to change it |
| 20:10.22 | zfe | i changed country recently, to better develop my project, and i had to add a friend's address |
| 20:10.27 | clr_ | SRabbelier: I did a couple of times. |
| 20:10.39 | mpounta | DarthGandalf: thank you too :) |
| 20:11.10 | dis | carols: this have been asked already, just to clarify: on the tax form, should I use my full name with patronymic or the form I submitted to Melange (what I want to see on the certificate at the end of the program) ? |
| 20:11.28 | carols | dis: use whatever name is your official name on documents. |
| 20:12.03 | clr_ | SRabbelier: I have tried a couple of times with different browsers. Looks like the web submission is broken. |
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| 20:12.12 | neXyon | carols: again prepaid citi cards? I hoped that to change this year :-/ |
| 20:12.22 | carols | neXyon: sorry to disappoint you. |
| 20:12.24 | MatthewWilkes | carols! :) |
| 20:12.32 | carols | MatthewWilkes! |
| 20:12.54 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: hey, you |
| 20:13.01 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: I totally mailed you, and you _IGNORED_ me :P |
| 20:13.07 | clr_ | It looks like the XRSF error comes from an upper attachement size error. |
| 20:13.11 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: You DID? |
| 20:13.19 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: yes! |
| 20:13.25 | MatthewWilkes | :S |
| 20:13.26 | MatthewWilkes | Sorry dude |
| 20:13.29 | MatthewWilkes | looks |
| 20:13.50 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: it's keeping lennie from running our test suite :D |
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| 20:14.30 | SRabbelier | neXyon: changed to what exactly? ;) |
| 20:14.47 | SRabbelier | clr_: if you look at the page source, do you see an xsrf_token on the form? |
| 20:14.54 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: RuntimeError: Cannot find uncompiled version of site ? I see, it got filed in to the mailing list and flagged as being directly to me, missed it |
| 20:15.06 | neXyon | SRabbelier: I'm sure there are better options for the international students, with less than 3 % exchange fee! |
| 20:15.08 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: ah :( |
| 20:15.19 | Triskelios | ThFabba: I believe scanned signatures are binding in most of the US, but it's a murky topic |
| 20:15.30 | zfe | is it in google next projects |
| 20:15.34 | zfe | to abolish bureaucracy |
| 20:15.36 | SRabbelier | neXyon: I'm sure we'd be happy to hear of such options ;) |
| 20:15.42 | neXyon | hmm, if my school is not in the autocompletion list, what to do? |
| 20:15.44 | zfe | and documents? |
| 20:15.51 | MatthewWilkes | neXyon: There may be better options for some students, I believe the card was chosen as it worked adequately for all students |
| 20:16.10 | zfe | i'm so afraid that the package will be lost |
| 20:16.10 | zfe | :( |
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| 20:16.32 | MatthewWilkes | carols: How're you doing? I am somewhat miffed that I'm in Jarlsberg and there is no cheese museum |
| 20:16.56 | neXyon | why doesn't direct transfer work? :) |
| 20:17.37 | carols | MatthewWilkes: i'm good, thanks. just busy. sorry to hear about Jarlsberg :-) |
| 20:17.50 | MatthewWilkes | carols: You're busy? That's unusual⦠|
| 20:18.09 | carols | MatthewWilkes: i know, crazy, huh? :-) |
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| 20:19.10 | DarthGandalf | Here's some tea for you then :P |
| 20:19.56 | SRabbelier | neXyon: you want to manually do 1200 direct transfer, of which more than half are international? |
| 20:20.12 | SRabbelier | neXyon: and for which most need to happen 3 times (initial, midterm, final) |
| 20:20.41 | neXyon | SRabbelier: we have computers, I'm sure there's some automation process possible?! :D |
| 20:20.52 | SRabbelier | neXyon: not really |
| 20:20.59 | neXyon | not? :-o |
| 20:21.06 | SRabbelier | neXyon: afraid not |
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| 20:21.21 | neXyon | strange |
| 20:21.23 | zfe | by the way |
| 20:21.27 | neXyon | google should open it's own bank :D |
| 20:21.30 | zfe | for some weird reasons google-melange seems blocked in turkey |
| 20:21.33 | neXyon | *its |
| 20:21.40 | SRabbelier | ok |
| 20:21.50 | SRabbelier | zfe: yeah, that's probably because of Turkey trying to block youtube |
| 20:21.53 | zfe | just like google business |
| 20:22.01 | zfe | no, youtube works fine now, just google biz is down |
| 20:22.05 | zfe | i can't reach google.com/a |
| 20:22.11 | zfe | nor google-melange |
| 20:22.13 | zfe | the rest is fine |
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| 20:22.27 | zfe | gmail, google maps, google itself, youtube |
| 20:22.54 | SRabbelier | zfe: curious |
| 20:23.15 | zfe | yes, actually having to use a proxy to access google |
| 20:23.19 | zfe | is pretty lol |
| 20:24.11 | neXyon | so, what to do if my school is not in the autocompletion list? |
| 20:24.25 | nazg-gul | is there kinda of bugtracker for melange? |
| 20:24.48 | SRabbelier | nazg-gul: what for? |
| 20:24.57 | SRabbelier | nazg-gul: we're thorougly aware of the XSRF issue now :) |
| 20:25.30 | nazg-gul | SRabbelier: there's no autocompletion list for Russian Federation. looks like it's because country called "Russia" in JSON for autocompletion list |
| 20:25.49 | SRabbelier | nazg-gul: and it's "Russian Federation" in the country dropdown? |
| 20:25.54 | nazg-gul | yep |
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| 20:26.02 | SRabbelier | nazg-gul: thanks, let me fix that |
| 20:26.11 | nazg-gul | would be really cool :) |
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| 20:27.01 | SRabbelier | nazg-gul: deploying |
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| 20:33.31 | nazg-gul | SRabbelier: thank you! works great now :) |
| 20:33.37 | SRabbelier | nazg-gul: cool |
| 20:33.52 | clr_ | SRabbelier: Is there a solution to the XSRF token problem? |
| 20:34.17 | SRabbelier | clr_: it seems using the non-https works atm |
| 20:34.22 | SRabbelier | clr_: we're investigating the cause |
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| 20:34.40 | clr_ | SRabbelier: Huh. Thats weird. |
| 20:34.45 | SRabbelier | clr_: yes, it is |
| 20:35.14 | zfe | anyway |
| 20:35.30 | zfe | the shipment address doesn't accept "." and other alphabets |
| 20:35.34 | zfe | it's quite hard to write a turkish address |
| 20:35.36 | zfe | lol |
| 20:35.43 | nazg-gul | btw, was it bad idea to change shipping adress? it was mostly a "pedantic" changes made by me, address itself hasn't chaged |
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| 20:36.31 | SRabbelier | works for me on melange-dev |
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| 20:36.44 | SRabbelier | nazg-gul: doesn't matter |
| 20:37.08 | nazg-gul | SRabbelier: ok, ty |
| 20:37.15 | neXyon | "School name selected from autocomplete" <- my school is not in the list, what to do? |
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| 20:37.57 | nazg-gul | neXyon: SRabbelier fixed autocompletion for me. maybe he could helpyou? |
| 20:38.29 | neXyon | SRabbelier: please? :) |
| 20:38.42 | downeym | SRabbelier: ping for question about the new slider-buttons |
| 20:39.28 | downeym | SRabbelier: If I change one, for example, Proposal Modifications from Disabled to Enabled, do I need to do something after that? The change doesn't seem to persist as it used to. |
| 20:39.34 | SRabbelier | downeym: to #melange please |
| 20:39.36 | downeym | oops |
| 20:39.41 | SRabbelier | downeym: np |
| 20:39.45 | SRabbelier | neXyon: what country? |
| 20:39.50 | neXyon | SRabbelier: Austria |
| 20:40.20 | SRabbelier | neXyon: we do have a list for Austria, do you see the autocomplete? |
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| 20:42.03 | neXyon | SRabbelier: yeah, the list works, I also see some of the schools in my city, but not mine |
| 20:42.38 | SRabbelier | neXyon: then it's something you need to take up with Google, it's their list |
| 20:43.02 | neXyon | do you know whom to contact? |
| 20:43.06 | houbsi | SRabbelier: thought you were google? but where do we find it? |
| 20:43.13 | neXyon | *who |
| 20:43.44 | SRabbelier | houbsi: I just work on Melange :) |
| 20:43.50 | SRabbelier | carols: ? |
| 20:43.56 | carols | SRabbelier: yes? |
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| 20:44.50 | SRabbelier | carols: are missing universities in Google's official universities list something you can take care of? |
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| 20:44.57 | carols | SRabbelier: no |
| 20:45.04 | carols | we'll just deal with it |
| 20:45.19 | SRabbelier | neXyon: then just enter your school manually |
| 20:45.22 | carols | as long as the student can fill in the university free-form, this is a solved issue |
| 20:45.36 | neXyon | carols: so if there's a red "No" for that todo list point, it's ok? |
| 20:45.48 | carols | neXyon: i don't know - SRabbelier, is this ok? |
| 20:45.49 | houbsi | so change the TODO to "filled" and not filled in with autocomplete?! |
| 20:46.09 | stophr | I have a question ... I've went through all the tax forms and stuff, but do I need to pay taxes on the money I will receive from Google? I'm from Belgium. |
| 20:46.16 | neXyon | houbsi: well changing the TODO only is not enough, mine is filled, but there's still a red "No" ;) |
| 20:46.23 | SRabbelier | carols: it doesn't mean anything, other than that it'll be harder for Cat to make the stats |
| 20:46.29 | carols | SRabbelier: that's fine. |
| 20:46.54 | SRabbelier | carols: so, yeah, it'll be an unfilled todo on their todo list, but no adverse effects |
| 20:47.08 | houbsi | neXyon: i ment change the rule for the TODO, so it turn green if it's filled |
| 20:47.11 | carols | SRabbelier: obviously its scaring them. can you fix it so its not so scary? |
| 20:47.19 | neXyon | houbsi: yeah that would be awesome |
| 20:47.21 | kblin | stophr: we can't give tax advice, I'm afraid |
| 20:47.44 | abhinav- | carols: is there a specific requirement to submit the proof of enrollment from the university ? I study in a college which is affiliated to a university and I will be able to get a proof of enrollment from the college. Even my ID card is given to me by the college. is that acceptable ? |
| 20:47.46 | SRabbelier | carols: it's supposed to be scary |
| 20:47.53 | carols | abhinav-: yes |
| 20:47.54 | SRabbelier | carols: so that those that can choose from the list will |
| 20:47.57 | carols | SRabbelier: ok |
| 20:48.06 | abhinav- | carols: thanks |
| 20:48.13 | houbsi | SRabbelier: you have to do this for carol ;) if she asks so nicely ;) |
| 20:48.34 | SRabbelier | houbsi: of course, she's my employer after all ;) |
| 20:49.05 | kblin | stophr: but from what I understand this is normal income, and you have to pay taxes on it like you earned it in belgium |
| 20:49.42 | neXyon | SRabbelier: you could at least change the note below the field and add there that if the school isn't in the list it's ok to have it hand filled?! |
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| 20:50.50 | SRabbelier | neXyon: sure |
| 20:50.56 | abhinav- | SRabbelier: my college name appears twice in the drop down list (Northern India Engineering College Lucknow & Northern India Engineering College, Lucknow) , I am confused which one to choose ? |
| 20:51.03 | wtachi | SRabbelier: also, the note is currently wrong as "UC Berkeley" isn't in the list |
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| 20:51.12 | abhinav- | SRabbelier: Lucknow is the name of the place |
| 20:51.20 | SRabbelier | wtachi: what is then? |
| 20:51.33 | SRabbelier | abhinav-: either works |
| 20:51.34 | neXyon | SRabbelier: thanks |
| 20:51.41 | abhinav- | SRabbelier: thanks |
| 20:51.55 | wtachi | SRabbelier: University of California At Berkeley |
| 20:52.04 | kblin | sighs |
| 20:52.05 | milki | oo, UCB! |
| 20:52.07 | vikash | carols, I was willing to know my consignment number, is that possible. Because in address no special char was allowed not even "/" so I wanted to monitor it |
| 20:52.32 | carols | vikash: i dont know what a consignment number is. |
| 20:52.41 | Hexxeh | A tracking number he means |
| 20:52.48 | vikash | Hexxeh, thanks |
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| 20:53.14 | carols | vikash: sending each person their tracking number will delay the package. we'll contact you if there's any trouble with it. |
| 20:53.33 | vikash | oh! no probs |
| 20:54.05 | houbsi | carols, would it be possible to visite our countrys google headquarters? (or even germany for me is okay)⦠:) |
| 20:54.23 | carols | houbsi: if you can find a google employee to host you, sure |
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| 20:55.02 | Hexxeh | i think it's extra awesome how we get ACM memberships as part of taking part in GSoC this year, by the way! |
| 20:55.07 | houbsi | carols: is there a way to contact google employees or should i simply try to contact them via phone? :) |
| 20:55.22 | carols | houbsi: don't cold-call employees, please. that's a terrible thing to do. |
| 20:56.03 | gevaerts | houbsi: cold-calling *recruiters* however may be fine :) |
| 20:56.07 | gevaerts | (or not) |
| 20:56.17 | kblin | heat up your phone with a bunsen burner first |
| 20:56.20 | kblin | ;) |
| 20:56.26 | houbsi | carols: no the main contact adress on the site where all HQ's of google are lsited |
| 20:56.40 | Hexxeh | not sure if we get this since our memberships were free, but normally ACM members get free access to a bunch of Microsoft software via MSDN |
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| 20:56.58 | carols | houbsi: that's what i'm referring to. don't just call in the hopes you can get someone to host you. either you know someone there or you don't. |
| 20:57.30 | houbsi | carols: aahh okayâ¦. :( no visit :( |
| 20:57.47 | SRabbelier | are there any students here that _have_ been able to submit their forms through the https page? |
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| 20:58.13 | kblin | Hexxeh: and? |
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| 20:58.34 | kblin | Hexxeh: GSoC is about open source, not closed source software :) |
| 20:59.17 | kblin | houbsi: just do what everybody else does. wait for google to hire someone you know and then get them to host you |
| 20:59.30 | Hexxeh | kblin: Of course, I understand, just think it'll be handy for some people. I already have MSDN via college so it doesn't affect me, but it's still going to be a nice surprise for some people. Office and Windows upgrades for all, if they need them. |
| 20:59.50 | vikash | what does _host_you_mean ? |
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| 21:00.19 | Hexxeh | vikash: Somebody to follow/show you around the place |
| 21:00.32 | Hexxeh | Hence why it has to be someone you already know |
| 21:00.35 | houbsi | kblin: yeah and this happens so oftenâ¦.. :( (and even for youtube you see it, not in every country is a partnership program |
| 21:00.59 | vikash | Hexxeh, Then I also need to find one! Basically we are trying to have a gsoc meet up in Gurgaon office |
| 21:01.09 | kblin | vikash: like invite you, show you around, and trigger the death ray in case you wander off too far |
| 21:01.15 | Hexxeh | vikash: Doubt that very much |
| 21:01.47 | vikash | so any steps we need to cater? |
| 21:01.55 | houbsi | I think I found a video with carols in it :D |
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| 21:03.53 | tsudot | carols, PM? |
| 21:03.58 | carols | tsudot: sure |
| 21:04.01 | kblin | houbsi: not sure what you mean... just stay involved in open source and you'll find that lots of people around you work for google and will be happy to invite you for lunch |
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| 21:04.18 | SRabbelier | houbsi: quite possible |
| 21:04.56 | kblin | I think I know most googlers in this channel personally |
| 21:05.12 | Michitux | as you are already talking about visiting: does there any experience/best practice exist for getting visas for our gsoc students so they can attend our hackfest? ukraine -> schengen area (germany/france) and maybe also from india (but there the travelling costs are also much higher...) in our case - and how does that work with the restrictions that students need to be in a country where they are allowed to work, does that mean they can't attend our hack |
| 21:05.14 | houbsi | kblin: I'm looking but they don't show them very easy :D it's a shy species :D |
| 21:05.14 | kblin | none of them close enough for lunch, but there's that |
| 21:05.16 | vikash | Is any one here from India? |
| 21:06.25 | abhinav- | vikash: me |
| 21:06.48 | vikash | abhinav-, Hey Can I /query you |
| 21:06.49 | SRabbelier | Michitux: they can attend, just not work on their project I suppose? |
| 21:06.56 | abhinav- | vikash: sure |
| 21:07.05 | SRabbelier | Michitux: they should treat it like they're on vacation |
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| 21:07.23 | SRabbelier | Michitux: also, madrazr has experience with getting a visa from India to US |
| 21:07.30 | SRabbelier | Michitux: and to .nl also |
| 21:08.17 | madrazr | Michitux: sure |
| 21:08.56 | madrazr | Michitux: I can share my experience :) |
| 21:10.59 | Michitux | madrazr: that would be nice, although for our student from india around 1600 $ for the flights are the main reason not to come (unless there is a cheaper flight ;) ) |
| 21:11.21 | vikash | Michitux, +1 |
| 21:12.37 | madrazr | Michitux: yes! |
| 21:12.39 | madrazr | :) |
| 21:12.45 | madrazr | you can ask your student to ping me |
| 21:12.50 | madrazr | Michitux: but it depends |
| 21:13.11 | madrazr | Michitux: if the student is travelling in Summer, it is unlikely that he will get a ticket less than 1400$ |
| 21:13.26 | madrazr | Michitux: but for the mentor Summit I got really awesome deal :) |
| 21:13.48 | Michitux | the date isn't fixed yet, but it'll either be july 9-14 or august 18-21 |
| 21:13.51 | madrazr | Michitux: 1090$ ticket for multiple cities :) But I can help with getting cheaper tickets |
| 21:14.29 | madrazr | Michitux: July should be a bit cheaper I guess, since fewer students travelling for their course starting in Fall 2011 |
| 21:14.30 | madrazr | :) |
| 21:14.31 | Michitux | madrazr: okay, thx for the offer, I'll tell it our student, he currently isn't only anymore |
| 21:14.42 | madrazr | Michitux: sure :) |
| 21:15.44 | madrazr | Michitux: NP |
| 21:16.15 | Michitux | we also prefer july (in the context of Rencontres Mondiales du Logiciel Libre in Strasbourg) but it hasn't been organized yet and it might be a bit soon already |
| 21:19.30 | SRabbelier | Michitux: expect expensive tickets if people need to book them so soon (yes 2 months is soon already) |
| 21:19.53 | kblin | Michitux:if you have some bandwidth to spare, we've used voip-conferencing to have people attend hackathons who couldn't be around in person |
| 21:20.23 | SRabbelier | kblin: whoah, awesome! :D |
| 21:21.11 | Michitux | hm, yes might be an option, too |
| 21:21.13 | SRabbelier | suddenly has an idea of what might be causing the xsrf problem |
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| 21:21.42 | kblin | together with a shared screen session or even VNC, that's pretty much most of the way |
| 21:21.54 | kblin | we even do pair programming like that these days |
| 21:22.54 | houbsi | SRabbelier: i can''t wait to test it ;) |
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| 21:23.48 | SRabbelier | houbsi: can you try going to http://socghop.appspot.com/login https://socghop.appspot.com/login http://www.google-melange.com/login and then click through from http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/dashboard/google/gsoc2011 ? |
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| 21:24.39 | SRabbelier | oh god I'm a retard :) |
| 21:24.53 | houbsi | SRabbelier: why? |
| 21:24.54 | kblin | happy to quote you |
| 21:25.02 | SRabbelier | kblin: feel free to |
| 21:25.21 | kblin | @learn SRabbelier as a retard |
| 21:25.26 | kblin | ;) |
| 21:25.39 | kblin | !this cookie | SRabbelier |
| 21:25.39 | gsocbot | SRabbelier: "this cookie" is for you |
| 21:25.40 | SRabbelier | kblin: nicely done |
| 21:25.50 | SRabbelier | houbsi: can you try the above though? |
| 21:26.26 | Michitux | madrazr: does your experience with getting visas also help with getting visas from ukraine? |
| 21:26.33 | houbsi | from the 3 links to the dashboard⦠okay |
| 21:26.53 | houbsi | and what should I do on the dashboard? |
| 21:27.23 | wtachi | SRabbelier: that worked for me |
| 21:27.44 | SRabbelier | houbsi: submit your tax/enrollment form as usual |
| 21:28.26 | SRabbelier | wtachi: ok, can you go to http://socghop.appspot.com/logout https://socghop.appspot.com/logout http://www.google-melange.com/logout (this will log you out of your Google account, you can open an incognito window instead) and go directly to http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/dashboard/google/gsoc2011 instead and try to submit from there? |
| 21:28.37 | madrazr | Michitux: I am not sure about that, but generally I can help with filling up the forms and submitting them. But my experience is limited to the embassies in India |
| 21:29.36 | wtachi | SRabbelier: that gives the XSRF error again |
| 21:29.47 | SRabbelier | wtachi: what's the exact text? |
| 21:29.52 | SRabbelier | wtachi: I updated it to be more verbose |
| 21:29.54 | houbsi | SRabbelier: the second link https:// put me through the http:// and there it worked |
| 21:30.03 | wtachi | "Invalid XSRF token: Token mismatch for user_id '-1'" |
| 21:30.21 | SRabbelier | wtachi: hmmm, ok, and what url are you at when you see that message? |
| 21:30.42 | Michitux | madrazr: or in other words: are there any special things one could use for a hackfest? our student from ukraine is afraid she won't get a visa. |
| 21:31.33 | wtachi | https://socghop.appspot.com/_ah/upload/?fmt=json&_=1304544672161/<lots of base64?> |
| 21:31.37 | madrazr | Michitux: I don't see any reason for the Visa being rejected other than the fact that the student shows a strong reason, not to come back :) |
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| 21:31.59 | madrazr | Michitux: there is nothing special, if it is US, an invitation letter from your organization and the hotel reservation copy is more than sufficient |
| 21:32.43 | Michitux | madrazr: hm, we don't have any formal organization/legal entity |
| 21:33.00 | madrazr | Michitux: and if it is Schengen area, the air ticket copy should also be attached. This will usually have the return tickets also, so that is a strong indication for the student to return to Ukraine |
| 21:33.11 | SRabbelier | wtachi: hmm, but you didn't first go to a https://socghop.appspot.com url? |
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| 21:33.25 | madrazr | Michitux: I think you can give an invitation personally. Hotel reservation copy will help |
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| 21:33.33 | madrazr | so that the embassy knows where she is staying |
| 21:33.37 | wtachi | SRabbelier: just the /logout, then to google-melange.com |
| 21:33.59 | SRabbelier | wtachi: yes, but that then redirects to https://socghop.appspot.com/.... right, asking you to log in to that? |
| 21:35.47 | Michitux | madrazr: okay, thx for the information/hints. |
| 21:36.08 | madrazr | Michitux: No problem at all |
| 21:36.11 | wtachi | when I go to google-melange.com/gsoc/dashboard/google/gsoc2011, it takes me to https://www.google.com/accounts/ServiceLogin..., which takes me back to google-melange.com |
| 21:36.25 | SRabbelier | wtachi: right, but when you then go to the tax form page I meant |
| 21:36.27 | wtachi | but the "Enrollment form" link goes to https://socghop.appspot.com/ |
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| 21:40.53 | SRabbelier | wtachi: aren't you then asked to log in? |
| 21:41.32 | wtachi | SRabbelier: no, it gives me the form |
| 21:41.48 | SRabbelier | wtachi: are you logged in at that time? |
| 21:41.58 | SRabbelier | wtachi: e.g., does the sidebar have a login link? |
| 21:42.07 | wtachi | SRabbelier: no login link |
| 21:42.26 | SRabbelier | ok, so then you are already logged in, hm |
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