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01:50.37xdxnI have just received my package, thx google
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06:59.44hiemanshu_xdxn: what part of the world are you in?
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07:27.24kaioh yay
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08:48.07sagar!next
08:48.08gsocbotsagar: "next" is May 23rd - Students start coding
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09:15.04zgreghi there
09:15.23zgregI didn't fill in the "additional information" box in melange. that isn't required, is it?
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09:51.20RlyDontKnowawesome, they put my public name on the package instead of my real name xD
09:52.17khrmstill waiting for it
09:53.22zfeRlyDontKnow: where are you?
09:53.24zfeusa?
09:53.30RlyDontKnowgermany
09:53.36khrmRlyDontKnow Was your real name also on it or just public name?
09:53.37ojwbthe address on a package is public...
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09:54.36zfeso so so
09:54.43zfei'm in turkey, i must be receiving it any moment now
09:54.44zfe^_^
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09:55.41zfeRlyDontKnow: what's in the package?
09:55.44zfethe cc then?
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09:55.55RlyDontKnowa pencil \o/
09:56.11RlyDontKnowerm, wrong
09:56.25RlyDontKnowball pen?
09:56.59zfeok, then?
09:57.01zfethat's all? :P
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09:57.13RlyDontKnowerm, some other stuff and the payment card
09:58.03zfeis it already active? the payment card i mean
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09:58.27RlyDontKnowsign says so
09:59.58smsaurabhrlydontknow: what are the some other stuffs ??
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10:03.00ojwblet it be a nice surprise!
10:04.50RlyDontKnow[spoiler: privacy stuff and a calendar I think]
10:04.51RlyDontKnowxD
10:05.46RlyDontKnownote thingy
10:05.51ojwbgoogle calendar!
10:06.01RlyDontKnowjust checked, it's not a calendar
10:06.04RlyDontKnowjust something to take notes
10:06.21ojwboh, a moleskin like notebook?
10:06.29ojwbwith an elastic bit to keep it closed
10:10.17RlyDontKnowyeah
10:10.19RlyDontKnowand a sticker!
10:12.31hiemanshuI cant wait to get mine
10:13.08RlyDontKnowhm... that little notebook is mean
10:13.19RlyDontKnowmy pen doesn't fit into that thing holding it together :/
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10:31.30dbolserhihi
10:31.47dbolserwhat is the pay per hour for an average student during gsoc?
10:31.57dbolsercalculates....
10:32.09dbolser40 hours a week is average?
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10:33.26svakshadbolser: the gsoc docs suggest a min of 20 hours per week
10:33.44dbolserhttp://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/faqs#administrivia ... I'd have thought 'how much do I get paid' is a faq
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10:34.15dbolsersvaksha: ok, so 20 hours a week for 8 weeks gives a maximum hourly rate off...
10:34.17dbolserof
10:34.29RlyDontKnowisn't it 12 weeks?
10:34.34dbolserty
10:34.43dbolseris uber lazy today
10:34.57dbolser5000 USD
10:35.18dbolsereval: 5000/(20*12)
10:35.26dbolserne bots?
10:35.53swairaround 21
10:35.54swair:P
10:35.57dbolserholy above minimum wage!
10:36.20svakshadbolser: the CPT suggests the default is 20 hours, http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/studentinfo#cpt
10:36.23dbolserlets say 40 hours isn't unreasonable... gives me a good base to pitch for my summer job
10:36.28RlyDontKnow20.83
10:36.31svakshathinks 20 is too less but ....
10:36.36dbolser33333333333
10:36.41svaksha20 hours*
10:36.55RlyDontKnowI'd say 20 is too few, too
10:37.07dbolserjah
10:37.08RlyDontKnow30+ is more reasonable I think
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10:37.47dbolserI'm not sure where I stand with this guy though... he's paying me out of his own pocket I think, and I'm not sure what the work is worth to him
10:37.49svakshaprolly why people keep asking if they can do gsoc AND a job :P
10:37.57RlyDontKnowor 5-10 if you only count actual coding xD
10:38.03dbolser(I think he feels he ows me, but I'd rather just be objective)
10:38.12dbolsersvaksha: sure, just don't sleep
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10:38.52svakshadbolser: you are doing gsoc? *confused*
10:39.02dbolserno, just using gsoc as a guide
10:39.05dbolserI'd doing dsoc
10:39.09dbolser'dan soc'
10:39.13svaksha:)
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10:39.31dbolserthanks for helps
10:40.19dbolserhttp://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/faqs#payments_work 5500 apparently
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10:40.31dbolsergood name for the question 'where do I see the money?'
10:40.49dbolserreads and corrects himself
10:41.38svakshadbolser: btw, mentors get only 500 :)
10:41.57svakshathinks dbolser may have to recalculate
10:42.08dbolserso if I mentor myself...
10:42.15in3xessvaksha: you are mentoring?
10:42.20dbolserand I work two projects...
10:42.33dbolserty svaksha, RlyDontKnow
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10:42.44mlankhorstis just admin, works better that way :)
10:42.44svakshadbolser: nah, it goes to the org, their choice on what to do next
10:43.11RlyDontKnowsvaksha: mentoring organizations get the 500
10:43.19RlyDontKnownot all forward that to the actual mentors afaik
10:43.33svakshaRlyDontKnow: i said the same :P
10:43.53RlyDontKnow"mentors get only 500" suggests the mentors get it :P
10:44.06RlyDontKnowoh, nvm
10:44.10RlyDontKnowI'm slow today :/
10:44.31svakshaRlyDontKnow: repeat, < svaksha> dbolser: nah, it goes to the org, their choice on what to do next
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10:58.50kaihehe
10:59.09kaihttp://rusty.ozlabs.org/?p=196 “If you didn’t run code written by assholes, your machine wouldn’t boot”
11:01.35aghislasees the point but still chooses projects to work also wrt people who work on it
11:02.38svakshaaghisla: ++1
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11:04.43mlankhorstkai: well eglibc was written by drepper :P
11:04.50mlankhorstso that much is true
11:04.59mlankhorst(partially, but still)
11:06.11aghislaalso I think that a well designed work can't be done by a complete asshole, at least he/she has to care about the work itself
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11:07.06mlankhorstyou can be a complete asshole and still care about your work
11:08.38aghislawell, for me if you at least love your work and write wonderful code, you're not a total asshole :)
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11:12.35mlankhorstthere are people who would disagree with that
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11:15.59kaime, for one
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11:16.25aghislafeels it can be a lengthy discussion
11:17.13kaiactually rusty's blog post destills it down to three points, and I can fully agree with those
11:17.43kaigets back to trying to figure out why his testcases are working but a real use case isn't
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11:23.10zgregRlyDontKnow: you're in germany and got it already? maybe I'll be lucky today too...
11:23.17RlyDontKnowyeah
11:23.39kaiwth
11:23.40roccivicis it welcome packs you guys are talking about?
11:23.46zgregyeah
11:24.00zgregbut let me repeat the question from earlier
11:24.05zgregI didn't fill in the "additional information" box in melange. that isn't required, is it?
11:24.05roccivicis looking forward to that :D
11:24.16kai!additional info
11:24.18kaimeh
11:24.18zgregnot that this holds up sending the package :)
11:24.30kaiI thought we had that
11:24.34roccivicdon't think it's required, but you could have wrote something
11:24.38RlyDontKnow!additionalinfo
11:24.42RlyDontKnowtoo bad
11:24.47rocciviclike a put a link to your blog or repository
11:24.53zgregroccivic: why? everything is already in my proposal
11:24.55kaiadditional info is the place where you tell people things about the project that isn't in your abstract
11:25.05RlyDontKnowthe proposal isn't public roccivic
11:25.10kaiis everything you have to say in your abstract?
11:25.13SCD101got his welcome package this morning
11:25.58zgregI actually have a gsoc blog, might as well put a link to it there
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11:29.14zgregkai: pretty much, yes
11:30.11houbsiahh blogs :D when i'm finished with my exams there will be articles, screencasts,… :)
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11:38.49zgregwell, I hope they did not use my public name for the address on my package
11:39.01zgregit won't arrive if they do that...
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11:39.28zgregs/do/did/
11:42.11RlyDontKnowthey did for me zgreg xD
11:42.34theboltwhat would they use if not the name you gave?
11:43.09RlyDontKnowthe first/last name as given in private information
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11:43.29RlyDontKnowas opposed to the public name which is RlyDontKnow in my case for example
11:44.05zgregthe public name is my first name in my case
11:44.19zgregbut that's not written on my mailbox and/or door
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11:49.24ojwbgrab a pen and go and add it?
11:50.16zgreghaha it just arrived :)
11:50.55zgregthey did use the "public name" for the address, but I forgot I added my room number to the address as well
11:51.00zgregthat probably saved me
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12:00.39zgregthe payment card's design is pretty cool :)
12:02.18zgregand there's a glowing sticker
12:02.43RlyDontKnowit glows? o_O
12:02.50zgregyes, it glows in the dark
12:03.05zgregyou have to "charge" it in light first
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12:08.23theboltzgreg: a friend once forgot to add which floor i live on (a small "3F" in the address), lmost didn't get the mail.. what saved me is that i am probably the only foreigner living in the building
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12:17.57kaiscratches his head
12:18.04kaihow the heck do I debug this issue
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12:19.17kaiI don't readily understand this code, and I can't give the author the input the failure happens on
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12:20.23ojwbcan you binary chop chunks out of the input and see if it fails?
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12:21.31RlyDontKnowtry producing a minimal test case?
12:21.49hiemanshukai: rewrite the code in your own way
12:21.51hiemanshuruns
12:24.27zgregis there a sane way around the 3% current exchange fee?
12:25.30SCD101zgreg, they have an option online to transfer to a bank account so I'm thinking that might be the only sane workaround. It's what I'm gonna do. You'll have a transaction fee but I know here I get refunded transaction fees (free banking for students)
12:25.48ojwblast year some people managed to transfer money to currency exchange brokers
12:26.03ojwbI think that stopped being possible, but it's worth a look I'd say
12:26.20zgregojwb: yes, i read about that. but that is NOT what I would see as a "sane" way :)
12:26.46ojwbi don't think it was that bad, but I wasn't a student so didn't get to worry about it myself
12:26.48zgregit seemed to be incredibly complicated
12:27.31kaizgreg: spend all the money on thinkgeek t-shirts, thay way you just pay the import tax and shipping
12:27.50zgregSCD101: just the import tax? so just 19% instead of 3%? :D
12:28.50kaizgreg: well, if the individual shipments are < EUR 50, or whatever it was, it's tax free
12:29.03SCD101Import tax? o.O
12:29.12kaiand you get a heck of a lot of t-shirts
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12:29.22zgregkai: uhm... yeah :)
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12:29.47zgregthinkgeek is nice and all, but I don't think possibly spending 5000 USD on shirts and geek gadgets is a good idea :)
12:30.02kaiojwb: no, it's a compund data file, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to cut out parts
12:32.32kaiah, found the issue
12:32.56kai<3 visualization tools
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14:17.24fzzbt!next
14:17.25gsocbotfzzbt: "next" is May 23rd - Students start coding
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14:17.47MatthewWilkesThat's current, really
14:18.16gevaertsWell, they should start coding every morning, so it's still next as well
14:19.47thiagonot really
14:19.53thiagoif they didn't stop coding from the previous night...
14:20.34gevaertsYes, but I'd say those aren't the sort of procrastinators who get on irc all the time to type !next :(
14:20.37gevaerts:)
14:20.47gevaertswants ( and ) to be further apart on the keyboard
14:21.02thiagocould be worse
14:21.09thiagohas a Norwegian keyboard but uses US-layout
14:21.17thiagothe keycap for 9 has )
14:21.28thiagoif I look at the keyboard, I get it wrong
14:24.14MatthewWilkesthiago: German keyboard, same thing
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14:31.35theboltthiago: same with swedish.. but i use swedish layout (most of the time.. not when typing chinse though ;)
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14:31.39thebolthi MatthewWilkes , how're you doing?
14:33.11MatthewWilkeshi thebolt, good thanks
14:33.14MatthewWilkesyourself?
14:34.10theboltMatthewWilkes: so so.. its hot here and i think i am a bit dehydrated.. trying to fix it but right now it makes e pretty out of it
14:36.50kaiahrg
14:37.09kaino bug in my software, bug in my input.. and it still works in the lab
14:37.13kaigot to love biology
14:37.21theboltheh
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14:37.50gevaertsIsn't biology the only field where you may actually want bugs in your input?
14:38.08kaigevaerts: well, actually the input is part of a bug ;)
14:38.12kaibut there's a bug in it
14:38.18kaiso it's kind of recursive
14:38.20gevaertsuh oh.
14:38.26gevaertsIt's bugs all the way down?
14:38.28kaias a computer scientist, this is worrying ;)
14:38.40MatthewWilkesIt's bugs all the way down?
14:39.01kaior up, who knows
14:39.41kaiI'm looking at DNA sequence matches, and running a reaction that should only work on matching sequences
14:39.55kainow I wrote a piece of software to simulate what I'm doing in the lab
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14:40.11kaiturns out it failed because the sequences don't match up
14:40.35kaibut the wet-lab results are there
14:41.27kaiso I guess I'll have to implement inexact matching
14:42.13kaiso much for my idea of using regexes so I don't have to bother with string searches
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14:52.14mlankhorsthm spam for google 12th anniversary lottery O_o
14:52.42MatthewWilkeskai: Regexes don't search the string? Magic!
14:52.48mlankhorstpretty sure it is more like 14 year old by now
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15:39.07HexxehSo what's inside this years welcome package, anyone received them yet?
15:39.37hiemanshuHexxeh: quite a few of them got it, same stuff as last year
15:39.54Hexxehany photos of the new card design? apparently it glows or something?
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15:40.51Gekz!next
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15:41.27GekzI would like my welcome package :<
15:42.14MatthewWilkes!patience
15:42.15gsocbotMatthewWilkes: "patience" is very important for GSoC/GCI. Relax and go code something useful.
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15:52.44GekzMatthewWilkes: I didn't say I want it right now, I just would like it, I'm curious as to what's in it haha
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16:29.55alex3f!next
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16:50.25mamun_nightcrawl!logs
16:50.26gsocbotmamun_nightcrawl: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/
16:51.31mamun_nightcrawl!when
16:51.31gsocbotmamun_nightcrawl: "when" is later
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16:51.41gsocbotmamun_nightcrawl: "next" is May 23rd - Students start coding
16:52.06ankit_frenz!botabuse | mamun_nightcrawl
16:52.06gsocbotmamun_nightcrawl: "botabuse" is (#1) If you want to play with the bot, please do so in a private /query so as not to spam the channel, or (#2) When in a query with me, use whatis #gsoc <factoid>, or (#3) You can also get a list of factoids with 'factoids search #gsoc *' and 'more'
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16:52.36mamun_nightcrawlok
16:52.42mamun_nightcrawlsorry for that
16:52.54ankit_frenzNp
16:52.56ankit_frenz:)
16:53.01m1k3y!next
16:53.02gsocbotm1k3y: "next" is May 23rd - Students start coding
16:53.03ankit_frenzWe all love bots
16:53.04ankit_frenz:P
16:53.19mamun_nightcrawlsure we do :P
16:53.44akshayagarwal!cookie
16:53.44gsocbotakshayagarwal: "cookie" is (#1) omnomnom, or (#2) I take cookies only from my master..and you are not my master..:P
16:53.53ankit_frenzlol
16:53.56ankit_frenzits still there
16:53.57ankit_frenz:P
16:54.05ankit_frenzI added the second part :P
16:54.12ankit_frenzlong long back
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17:24.13hiemanshucarols: hey can I PM you?
17:24.19carolshiemanshu: sure
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17:33.50XTFHi. For GSoC I need to be added to the google group, but it seems an admin can't add me because one of my settings is wrong. Does anyone know where I can find that groups setting?
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17:35.51yeskarthik!next
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17:41.43XTFThat's not what I asked. ;)
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17:48.55hiemanshuXTF: what group?
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17:53.15XTFhiemanshu: google-summer-of-code-students-list
17:53.41hiemanshuXTF: if you are student you should be added, if you aren't email carol
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17:54.29XTFhiemanshu: I emailed here and she said a setting in my google groups is preventing her from adding me.
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17:54.39XTFBut I can't find the google groups settings...
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17:57.56hexeneXTF, see groups.google.com/groups/mysubs?hl=en
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17:58.23hexenemake sure you have the proper invitation preferences
18:00.08XTFhexene: Thanks a lot. It's fixed now, although I still have no idea how to find that page.
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20:00.03zgregI wonder, is it possible to directly transfer money from the debit card into an account in europe?
20:01.18zgregI'm still searching for a better way than withdrawing money from the ATM just to deposit it again into my bank account
20:01.41zgregpossibly also avoiding the high currency exchange fee
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20:23.58Ivanoviczgreg: since the card is in $ you always have high fees
20:24.21Ivanovicthat is: the visa exchange rate (is it a visa card, IIRC it once was) is rather good and your losses are not too high
20:24.55zgregok
20:25.04Ivanovicor you could just use the card for onlineshopping stuff
20:25.20zgregis it possible to raise the daily atm withdrawal limit, btw?
20:25.52gremsetIvanovic: I remember Carol saying it cannot be used for online purchases.
20:26.47Ivanovicnot?
20:26.51Ivanovicokay, this sucks
20:27.07zgreg400 USD is rather, so I'd have to withdraw in multiple steps, each one with the $3.50 withdrawal fee
20:27.11zgregin addition to the 3%
20:27.17gevaertszgreg: I know last year people changed it
20:27.20baerif it is the same as last year you can use it for shopping and you can raise the daily limit
20:27.29Ivanoviczgreg: i am not sure how the cards work (at all), but could it be that the limit is placed by the ATM used, not the card itself?
20:28.01zgregthe letter I got with the card says the limit is $400
20:28.20gremsetIvanovic: both, the ATM has its limits and the bank has its limits
20:28.35Ivanovicokay, strange stuff
20:28.46Ivanoviconly knows gsoc from the admin/org perspective
20:28.51gevaertszgreg: that doesn't mean it *can't* be changed :)
20:28.53Ivanovicso never had contact to those payment cards
20:29.13zgregthe question is... HOW
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20:29.53zgregI don't see anything in citi's online account manager
20:29.57baercall them
20:33.18zgregI probably have to do that anyway for the PIN, right
20:36.44zgregthe terms for the card don't mention any restrictions
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20:37.44zgregI guess online purchases should be fine
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20:43.04zgregwow, I just looked at the paypal fees
20:43.22zgregnow the 3% conversion fee seems cheap :)
20:43.58zgregtransferring money from the card into the paypal account: 3.9%, plus an additional 2.5% for the conversion
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20:44.45zgregoutside the us?
20:44.49blacktoothyeah
20:45.18zgreggood question, I'm going to ask at a citibank here
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21:03.40marthdhi all, i'm having trouble activating the visa card i received from gci, can anyone help me please?
21:04.26wtachimarthd: what problem are you having?
21:04.48marthdwtachi: i can't reach the number on the card, but i need the PIN
21:08.36wtachithe 1-610 one? I don't know why that wouldn't work.
21:09.09Landsonwhich shipping service is the package being sent through?
21:09.27marthdwtachi: yes that one
21:10.09wtachiLandson: FedEx
21:10.14Landsonok
21:13.07marthdwtachi: what can i do now? do i need to type any prefix?
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21:16.47wtachimarthd: if you register the card at prepaid.citi.com/google it shows a help number
21:16.50wtachithat's all I know
21:17.03marthdwtachi: ok, thanks
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22:02.38estanhey folks. anyone know if it's possible for us students to track the shipment of the payment card?
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22:13.51jrabbitestan: Fedex called me the day before with the tracking nubmer
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22:15.13jrabbitestan: Unless carols has them (which is probably not a good thing to bother her about though)
22:16.19brikyeah once the package has been sent, fedex may send you an email with the tracking number
22:16.42brikwe didn't all get tracking numbers last year tho
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22:17.51jrabbitdidn't get an email
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22:19.08jrabbitmaybe when theres less than 6000 of them they mgiht list them somewhere :P
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22:20.57estanright, i participated in 2009 too and can't remember whether i got a tracking # or not.
22:21.09estan(and no, won't bother carols about it, was just curious)
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22:22.14estanah, searched my mail and it seems that last year i did get one.
22:22.20estanerr. in 2009 i mean.
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