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01:50.37 | xdxn | I have just received my package, thx google |
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07:27.24 | kai | oh yay |
07:27.38 | thebolt | hi kai |
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07:49.38 | iMohammad | @hiemanshu_ lol |
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08:35.31 | gsocbot | mamun_nightcrawl: "when" is later |
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08:48.08 | gsocbot | sagar: "next" is May 23rd - Students start coding |
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09:15.04 | zgreg | hi there |
09:15.23 | zgreg | I didn't fill in the "additional information" box in melange. that isn't required, is it? |
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09:51.20 | RlyDontKnow | awesome, they put my public name on the package instead of my real name xD |
09:52.17 | khrm | still waiting for it |
09:53.22 | zfe | RlyDontKnow: where are you? |
09:53.24 | zfe | usa? |
09:53.30 | RlyDontKnow | germany |
09:53.36 | khrm | RlyDontKnow Was your real name also on it or just public name? |
09:53.37 | ojwb | the address on a package is public... |
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09:54.36 | zfe | so so so |
09:54.43 | zfe | i'm in turkey, i must be receiving it any moment now |
09:54.44 | zfe | ^_^ |
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09:55.41 | zfe | RlyDontKnow: what's in the package? |
09:55.44 | zfe | the cc then? |
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09:55.55 | RlyDontKnow | a pencil \o/ |
09:56.11 | RlyDontKnow | erm, wrong |
09:56.25 | RlyDontKnow | ball pen? |
09:56.59 | zfe | ok, then? |
09:57.01 | zfe | that's all? :P |
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09:57.13 | RlyDontKnow | erm, some other stuff and the payment card |
09:58.03 | zfe | is it already active? the payment card i mean |
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09:58.27 | RlyDontKnow | sign says so |
09:59.58 | smsaurabh | rlydontknow: what are the some other stuffs ?? |
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10:03.00 | ojwb | let it be a nice surprise! |
10:04.50 | RlyDontKnow | [spoiler: privacy stuff and a calendar I think] |
10:04.51 | RlyDontKnow | xD |
10:05.46 | RlyDontKnow | note thingy |
10:05.51 | ojwb | google calendar! |
10:06.01 | RlyDontKnow | just checked, it's not a calendar |
10:06.04 | RlyDontKnow | just something to take notes |
10:06.21 | ojwb | oh, a moleskin like notebook? |
10:06.29 | ojwb | with an elastic bit to keep it closed |
10:10.17 | RlyDontKnow | yeah |
10:10.19 | RlyDontKnow | and a sticker! |
10:12.31 | hiemanshu | I cant wait to get mine |
10:13.08 | RlyDontKnow | hm... that little notebook is mean |
10:13.19 | RlyDontKnow | my pen doesn't fit into that thing holding it together :/ |
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10:31.30 | dbolser | hihi |
10:31.47 | dbolser | what is the pay per hour for an average student during gsoc? |
10:31.57 | dbolser | calculates.... |
10:32.09 | dbolser | 40 hours a week is average? |
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10:33.26 | svaksha | dbolser: the gsoc docs suggest a min of 20 hours per week |
10:33.44 | dbolser | http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/faqs#administrivia ... I'd have thought 'how much do I get paid' is a faq |
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10:33.54 | svaksha | heh |
10:34.15 | dbolser | svaksha: ok, so 20 hours a week for 8 weeks gives a maximum hourly rate off... |
10:34.17 | dbolser | of |
10:34.29 | RlyDontKnow | isn't it 12 weeks? |
10:34.34 | dbolser | ty |
10:34.43 | dbolser | is uber lazy today |
10:34.57 | dbolser | 5000 USD |
10:35.18 | dbolser | eval: 5000/(20*12) |
10:35.26 | dbolser | ne bots? |
10:35.53 | swair | around 21 |
10:35.54 | swair | :P |
10:35.57 | dbolser | holy above minimum wage! |
10:36.20 | svaksha | dbolser: the CPT suggests the default is 20 hours, http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/studentinfo#cpt |
10:36.23 | dbolser | lets say 40 hours isn't unreasonable... gives me a good base to pitch for my summer job |
10:36.28 | RlyDontKnow | 20.83 |
10:36.31 | svaksha | thinks 20 is too less but .... |
10:36.36 | dbolser | 33333333333 |
10:36.41 | svaksha | 20 hours* |
10:36.55 | RlyDontKnow | I'd say 20 is too few, too |
10:37.07 | dbolser | jah |
10:37.08 | RlyDontKnow | 30+ is more reasonable I think |
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10:37.47 | dbolser | I'm not sure where I stand with this guy though... he's paying me out of his own pocket I think, and I'm not sure what the work is worth to him |
10:37.49 | svaksha | prolly why people keep asking if they can do gsoc AND a job :P |
10:37.57 | RlyDontKnow | or 5-10 if you only count actual coding xD |
10:38.03 | dbolser | (I think he feels he ows me, but I'd rather just be objective) |
10:38.12 | dbolser | svaksha: sure, just don't sleep |
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10:38.52 | svaksha | dbolser: you are doing gsoc? *confused* |
10:39.02 | dbolser | no, just using gsoc as a guide |
10:39.05 | dbolser | I'd doing dsoc |
10:39.09 | dbolser | 'dan soc' |
10:39.13 | svaksha | :) |
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10:39.31 | dbolser | thanks for helps |
10:40.19 | dbolser | http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/faqs#payments_work 5500 apparently |
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10:40.31 | dbolser | good name for the question 'where do I see the money?' |
10:40.49 | dbolser | reads and corrects himself |
10:41.38 | svaksha | dbolser: btw, mentors get only 500 :) |
10:41.57 | svaksha | thinks dbolser may have to recalculate |
10:42.08 | dbolser | so if I mentor myself... |
10:42.15 | in3xes | svaksha: you are mentoring? |
10:42.20 | dbolser | and I work two projects... |
10:42.33 | dbolser | ty svaksha, RlyDontKnow |
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10:42.44 | mlankhorst | is just admin, works better that way :) |
10:42.44 | svaksha | dbolser: nah, it goes to the org, their choice on what to do next |
10:43.11 | RlyDontKnow | svaksha: mentoring organizations get the 500 |
10:43.19 | RlyDontKnow | not all forward that to the actual mentors afaik |
10:43.33 | svaksha | RlyDontKnow: i said the same :P |
10:43.53 | RlyDontKnow | "mentors get only 500" suggests the mentors get it :P |
10:44.06 | RlyDontKnow | oh, nvm |
10:44.10 | RlyDontKnow | I'm slow today :/ |
10:44.31 | svaksha | RlyDontKnow: repeat, < svaksha> dbolser: nah, it goes to the org, their choice on what to do next |
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10:58.50 | kai | hehe |
10:59.09 | kai | http://rusty.ozlabs.org/?p=196 âIf you didnât run code written by assholes, your machine wouldnât bootâ |
11:01.35 | aghisla | sees the point but still chooses projects to work also wrt people who work on it |
11:02.38 | svaksha | aghisla: ++1 |
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11:04.43 | mlankhorst | kai: well eglibc was written by drepper :P |
11:04.50 | mlankhorst | so that much is true |
11:04.59 | mlankhorst | (partially, but still) |
11:06.11 | aghisla | also I think that a well designed work can't be done by a complete asshole, at least he/she has to care about the work itself |
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11:07.06 | mlankhorst | you can be a complete asshole and still care about your work |
11:08.38 | aghisla | well, for me if you at least love your work and write wonderful code, you're not a total asshole :) |
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11:12.35 | mlankhorst | there are people who would disagree with that |
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11:15.59 | kai | me, for one |
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11:16.25 | aghisla | feels it can be a lengthy discussion |
11:17.13 | kai | actually rusty's blog post destills it down to three points, and I can fully agree with those |
11:17.43 | kai | gets back to trying to figure out why his testcases are working but a real use case isn't |
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11:23.10 | zgreg | RlyDontKnow: you're in germany and got it already? maybe I'll be lucky today too... |
11:23.17 | RlyDontKnow | yeah |
11:23.39 | kai | wth |
11:23.40 | roccivic | is it welcome packs you guys are talking about? |
11:23.46 | zgreg | yeah |
11:24.00 | zgreg | but let me repeat the question from earlier |
11:24.05 | zgreg | I didn't fill in the "additional information" box in melange. that isn't required, is it? |
11:24.05 | roccivic | is looking forward to that :D |
11:24.16 | kai | !additional info |
11:24.18 | kai | meh |
11:24.18 | zgreg | not that this holds up sending the package :) |
11:24.30 | kai | I thought we had that |
11:24.34 | roccivic | don't think it's required, but you could have wrote something |
11:24.38 | RlyDontKnow | !additionalinfo |
11:24.42 | RlyDontKnow | too bad |
11:24.47 | roccivic | like a put a link to your blog or repository |
11:24.53 | zgreg | roccivic: why? everything is already in my proposal |
11:24.55 | kai | additional info is the place where you tell people things about the project that isn't in your abstract |
11:25.05 | RlyDontKnow | the proposal isn't public roccivic |
11:25.10 | kai | is everything you have to say in your abstract? |
11:25.13 | SCD101 | got his welcome package this morning |
11:25.58 | zgreg | I actually have a gsoc blog, might as well put a link to it there |
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11:29.14 | zgreg | kai: pretty much, yes |
11:30.11 | houbsi | ahh blogs :D when i'm finished with my exams there will be articles, screencasts,⦠:) |
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11:38.49 | zgreg | well, I hope they did not use my public name for the address on my package |
11:39.01 | zgreg | it won't arrive if they do that... |
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11:39.28 | zgreg | s/do/did/ |
11:42.11 | RlyDontKnow | they did for me zgreg xD |
11:42.34 | thebolt | what would they use if not the name you gave? |
11:43.09 | RlyDontKnow | the first/last name as given in private information |
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11:43.29 | RlyDontKnow | as opposed to the public name which is RlyDontKnow in my case for example |
11:44.05 | zgreg | the public name is my first name in my case |
11:44.19 | zgreg | but that's not written on my mailbox and/or door |
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11:49.24 | ojwb | grab a pen and go and add it? |
11:50.16 | zgreg | haha it just arrived :) |
11:50.55 | zgreg | they did use the "public name" for the address, but I forgot I added my room number to the address as well |
11:51.00 | zgreg | that probably saved me |
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12:00.39 | zgreg | the payment card's design is pretty cool :) |
12:02.18 | zgreg | and there's a glowing sticker |
12:02.43 | RlyDontKnow | it glows? o_O |
12:02.50 | zgreg | yes, it glows in the dark |
12:03.05 | zgreg | you have to "charge" it in light first |
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12:08.23 | thebolt | zgreg: a friend once forgot to add which floor i live on (a small "3F" in the address), lmost didn't get the mail.. what saved me is that i am probably the only foreigner living in the building |
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12:18.04 | kai | how the heck do I debug this issue |
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12:19.17 | kai | I don't readily understand this code, and I can't give the author the input the failure happens on |
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12:20.23 | ojwb | can you binary chop chunks out of the input and see if it fails? |
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12:21.31 | RlyDontKnow | try producing a minimal test case? |
12:21.49 | hiemanshu | kai: rewrite the code in your own way |
12:21.51 | hiemanshu | runs |
12:24.27 | zgreg | is there a sane way around the 3% current exchange fee? |
12:25.30 | SCD101 | zgreg, they have an option online to transfer to a bank account so I'm thinking that might be the only sane workaround. It's what I'm gonna do. You'll have a transaction fee but I know here I get refunded transaction fees (free banking for students) |
12:25.48 | ojwb | last year some people managed to transfer money to currency exchange brokers |
12:26.03 | ojwb | I think that stopped being possible, but it's worth a look I'd say |
12:26.20 | zgreg | ojwb: yes, i read about that. but that is NOT what I would see as a "sane" way :) |
12:26.46 | ojwb | i don't think it was that bad, but I wasn't a student so didn't get to worry about it myself |
12:26.48 | zgreg | it seemed to be incredibly complicated |
12:27.31 | kai | zgreg: spend all the money on thinkgeek t-shirts, thay way you just pay the import tax and shipping |
12:27.50 | zgreg | SCD101: just the import tax? so just 19% instead of 3%? :D |
12:28.50 | kai | zgreg: well, if the individual shipments are < EUR 50, or whatever it was, it's tax free |
12:29.03 | SCD101 | Import tax? o.O |
12:29.12 | kai | and you get a heck of a lot of t-shirts |
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12:29.22 | zgreg | kai: uhm... yeah :) |
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12:29.47 | zgreg | thinkgeek is nice and all, but I don't think possibly spending 5000 USD on shirts and geek gadgets is a good idea :) |
12:30.02 | kai | ojwb: no, it's a compund data file, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to cut out parts |
12:32.32 | kai | ah, found the issue |
12:32.56 | kai | <3 visualization tools |
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14:17.24 | fzzbt | !next |
14:17.25 | gsocbot | fzzbt: "next" is May 23rd - Students start coding |
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14:17.47 | MatthewWilkes | That's current, really |
14:18.16 | gevaerts | Well, they should start coding every morning, so it's still next as well |
14:19.47 | thiago | not really |
14:19.53 | thiago | if they didn't stop coding from the previous night... |
14:20.34 | gevaerts | Yes, but I'd say those aren't the sort of procrastinators who get on irc all the time to type !next :( |
14:20.37 | gevaerts | :) |
14:20.47 | gevaerts | wants ( and ) to be further apart on the keyboard |
14:21.02 | thiago | could be worse |
14:21.09 | thiago | has a Norwegian keyboard but uses US-layout |
14:21.17 | thiago | the keycap for 9 has ) |
14:21.28 | thiago | if I look at the keyboard, I get it wrong |
14:24.14 | MatthewWilkes | thiago: German keyboard, same thing |
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14:31.35 | thebolt | thiago: same with swedish.. but i use swedish layout (most of the time.. not when typing chinse though ;) |
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14:31.39 | thebolt | hi MatthewWilkes , how're you doing? |
14:33.11 | MatthewWilkes | hi thebolt, good thanks |
14:33.14 | MatthewWilkes | yourself? |
14:34.10 | thebolt | MatthewWilkes: so so.. its hot here and i think i am a bit dehydrated.. trying to fix it but right now it makes e pretty out of it |
14:36.50 | kai | ahrg |
14:37.09 | kai | no bug in my software, bug in my input.. and it still works in the lab |
14:37.13 | kai | got to love biology |
14:37.21 | thebolt | heh |
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14:37.50 | gevaerts | Isn't biology the only field where you may actually want bugs in your input? |
14:38.08 | kai | gevaerts: well, actually the input is part of a bug ;) |
14:38.12 | kai | but there's a bug in it |
14:38.18 | kai | so it's kind of recursive |
14:38.20 | gevaerts | uh oh. |
14:38.26 | gevaerts | It's bugs all the way down? |
14:38.28 | kai | as a computer scientist, this is worrying ;) |
14:38.40 | MatthewWilkes | It's bugs all the way down? |
14:39.01 | kai | or up, who knows |
14:39.41 | kai | I'm looking at DNA sequence matches, and running a reaction that should only work on matching sequences |
14:39.55 | kai | now I wrote a piece of software to simulate what I'm doing in the lab |
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14:40.11 | kai | turns out it failed because the sequences don't match up |
14:40.35 | kai | but the wet-lab results are there |
14:41.27 | kai | so I guess I'll have to implement inexact matching |
14:42.13 | kai | so much for my idea of using regexes so I don't have to bother with string searches |
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14:44.40 | kai | so I guess I'll have to implement a scoring function |
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14:52.14 | mlankhorst | hm spam for google 12th anniversary lottery O_o |
14:52.42 | MatthewWilkes | kai: Regexes don't search the string? Magic! |
14:52.48 | mlankhorst | pretty sure it is more like 14 year old by now |
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15:39.07 | Hexxeh | So what's inside this years welcome package, anyone received them yet? |
15:39.37 | hiemanshu | Hexxeh: quite a few of them got it, same stuff as last year |
15:39.54 | Hexxeh | any photos of the new card design? apparently it glows or something? |
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15:40.51 | Gekz | !next |
15:40.52 | gsocbot | Gekz: "next" is May 23rd - Students start coding |
15:41.27 | Gekz | I would like my welcome package :< |
15:42.14 | MatthewWilkes | !patience |
15:42.15 | gsocbot | MatthewWilkes: "patience" is very important for GSoC/GCI. Relax and go code something useful. |
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15:52.44 | Gekz | MatthewWilkes: I didn't say I want it right now, I just would like it, I'm curious as to what's in it haha |
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16:29.55 | alex3f | !next |
16:29.56 | gsocbot | alex3f: "next" is May 23rd - Students start coding |
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16:50.25 | mamun_nightcrawl | !logs |
16:50.26 | gsocbot | mamun_nightcrawl: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
16:51.31 | mamun_nightcrawl | !when |
16:51.31 | gsocbot | mamun_nightcrawl: "when" is later |
16:51.40 | mamun_nightcrawl | !next |
16:51.41 | gsocbot | mamun_nightcrawl: "next" is May 23rd - Students start coding |
16:52.06 | ankit_frenz | !botabuse | mamun_nightcrawl |
16:52.06 | gsocbot | mamun_nightcrawl: "botabuse" is (#1) If you want to play with the bot, please do so in a private /query so as not to spam the channel, or (#2) When in a query with me, use whatis #gsoc <factoid>, or (#3) You can also get a list of factoids with 'factoids search #gsoc *' and 'more' |
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16:52.36 | mamun_nightcrawl | ok |
16:52.42 | mamun_nightcrawl | sorry for that |
16:52.54 | ankit_frenz | Np |
16:52.56 | ankit_frenz | :) |
16:53.01 | m1k3y | !next |
16:53.02 | gsocbot | m1k3y: "next" is May 23rd - Students start coding |
16:53.03 | ankit_frenz | We all love bots |
16:53.04 | ankit_frenz | :P |
16:53.19 | mamun_nightcrawl | sure we do :P |
16:53.44 | akshayagarwal | !cookie |
16:53.44 | gsocbot | akshayagarwal: "cookie" is (#1) omnomnom, or (#2) I take cookies only from my master..and you are not my master..:P |
16:53.53 | ankit_frenz | lol |
16:53.56 | ankit_frenz | its still there |
16:53.57 | ankit_frenz | :P |
16:54.05 | ankit_frenz | I added the second part :P |
16:54.12 | ankit_frenz | long long back |
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17:24.13 | hiemanshu | carols: hey can I PM you? |
17:24.19 | carols | hiemanshu: sure |
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17:33.50 | XTF | Hi. For GSoC I need to be added to the google group, but it seems an admin can't add me because one of my settings is wrong. Does anyone know where I can find that groups setting? |
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17:35.51 | yeskarthik | !next |
17:35.52 | gsocbot | yeskarthik: "next" is May 23rd - Students start coding |
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17:41.43 | XTF | That's not what I asked. ;) |
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17:48.55 | hiemanshu | XTF: what group? |
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17:53.15 | XTF | hiemanshu: google-summer-of-code-students-list |
17:53.41 | hiemanshu | XTF: if you are student you should be added, if you aren't email carol |
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17:54.29 | XTF | hiemanshu: I emailed here and she said a setting in my google groups is preventing her from adding me. |
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17:54.39 | XTF | But I can't find the google groups settings... |
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17:57.56 | hexene | XTF, see groups.google.com/groups/mysubs?hl=en |
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17:58.23 | hexene | make sure you have the proper invitation preferences |
18:00.08 | XTF | hexene: Thanks a lot. It's fixed now, although I still have no idea how to find that page. |
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20:00.03 | zgreg | I wonder, is it possible to directly transfer money from the debit card into an account in europe? |
20:01.18 | zgreg | I'm still searching for a better way than withdrawing money from the ATM just to deposit it again into my bank account |
20:01.41 | zgreg | possibly also avoiding the high currency exchange fee |
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20:23.58 | Ivanovic | zgreg: since the card is in $ you always have high fees |
20:24.21 | Ivanovic | that is: the visa exchange rate (is it a visa card, IIRC it once was) is rather good and your losses are not too high |
20:24.55 | zgreg | ok |
20:25.04 | Ivanovic | or you could just use the card for onlineshopping stuff |
20:25.20 | zgreg | is it possible to raise the daily atm withdrawal limit, btw? |
20:25.52 | gremset | Ivanovic: I remember Carol saying it cannot be used for online purchases. |
20:26.47 | Ivanovic | not? |
20:26.51 | Ivanovic | okay, this sucks |
20:27.07 | zgreg | 400 USD is rather, so I'd have to withdraw in multiple steps, each one with the $3.50 withdrawal fee |
20:27.11 | zgreg | in addition to the 3% |
20:27.17 | gevaerts | zgreg: I know last year people changed it |
20:27.20 | baer | if it is the same as last year you can use it for shopping and you can raise the daily limit |
20:27.29 | Ivanovic | zgreg: i am not sure how the cards work (at all), but could it be that the limit is placed by the ATM used, not the card itself? |
20:28.01 | zgreg | the letter I got with the card says the limit is $400 |
20:28.20 | gremset | Ivanovic: both, the ATM has its limits and the bank has its limits |
20:28.35 | Ivanovic | okay, strange stuff |
20:28.46 | Ivanovic | only knows gsoc from the admin/org perspective |
20:28.51 | gevaerts | zgreg: that doesn't mean it *can't* be changed :) |
20:28.53 | Ivanovic | so never had contact to those payment cards |
20:29.13 | zgreg | the question is... HOW |
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20:29.53 | zgreg | I don't see anything in citi's online account manager |
20:29.57 | baer | call them |
20:33.18 | zgreg | I probably have to do that anyway for the PIN, right |
20:36.44 | zgreg | the terms for the card don't mention any restrictions |
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20:37.44 | zgreg | I guess online purchases should be fine |
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20:43.04 | zgreg | wow, I just looked at the paypal fees |
20:43.22 | zgreg | now the 3% conversion fee seems cheap :) |
20:43.58 | zgreg | transferring money from the card into the paypal account: 3.9%, plus an additional 2.5% for the conversion |
20:44.33 | blacktooth | <PROTECTED> |
20:44.45 | zgreg | outside the us? |
20:44.49 | blacktooth | yeah |
20:45.18 | zgreg | good question, I'm going to ask at a citibank here |
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21:03.40 | marthd | hi all, i'm having trouble activating the visa card i received from gci, can anyone help me please? |
21:04.26 | wtachi | marthd: what problem are you having? |
21:04.48 | marthd | wtachi: i can't reach the number on the card, but i need the PIN |
21:08.36 | wtachi | the 1-610 one? I don't know why that wouldn't work. |
21:09.09 | Landson | which shipping service is the package being sent through? |
21:09.27 | marthd | wtachi: yes that one |
21:10.09 | wtachi | Landson: FedEx |
21:10.14 | Landson | ok |
21:13.07 | marthd | wtachi: what can i do now? do i need to type any prefix? |
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21:16.47 | wtachi | marthd: if you register the card at prepaid.citi.com/google it shows a help number |
21:16.50 | wtachi | that's all I know |
21:17.03 | marthd | wtachi: ok, thanks |
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22:02.38 | estan | hey folks. anyone know if it's possible for us students to track the shipment of the payment card? |
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22:13.51 | jrabbit | estan: Fedex called me the day before with the tracking nubmer |
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22:15.13 | jrabbit | estan: Unless carols has them (which is probably not a good thing to bother her about though) |
22:16.19 | brik | yeah once the package has been sent, fedex may send you an email with the tracking number |
22:16.42 | brik | we didn't all get tracking numbers last year tho |
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22:17.51 | jrabbit | didn't get an email |
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22:19.08 | jrabbit | maybe when theres less than 6000 of them they mgiht list them somewhere :P |
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22:20.57 | estan | right, i participated in 2009 too and can't remember whether i got a tracking # or not. |
22:21.09 | estan | (and no, won't bother carols about it, was just curious) |
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22:22.14 | estan | ah, searched my mail and it seems that last year i did get one. |
22:22.20 | estan | err. in 2009 i mean. |
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