| 00:01.34 | bieber | I noticed that the melenge pages for accepted organizations show maps of their accepted students: is there a map somewhere that shows all the accepted students? |
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| 05:28.28 | thebolt | hi |
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| 09:46.35 | The_Androider | Hello |
| 09:46.53 | The_Androider | How and until when could i sign up to the Google Summer Of Code? |
| 09:48.16 | MatthewWilkes | !timeline | The_Androider |
| 09:48.16 | gsocbot | The_Androider: "timeline" is http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
| 09:48.24 | MatthewWilkes | The_Androider: Add a year to those dates and those will be estimates |
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| 09:49.33 | GedMurphy | Hi. Can we still invite mentors through melange at this stage? |
| 09:49.48 | The_Androider | oh well... |
| 09:49.49 | MatthewWilkes | GedMurphy: I think so |
| 09:49.50 | The_Androider | too late |
| 09:49.57 | The_Androider | what about the google code - in |
| 09:49.58 | The_Androider | ? |
| 09:50.04 | MatthewWilkes | The_Androider: Are you under 18? |
| 09:50.11 | The_Androider | yup |
| 09:50.14 | The_Androider | 15.... |
| 09:50.22 | GedMurphy | I thought so too, but every time I try I get a return error of "There is no user with that email address" |
| 09:50.22 | MatthewWilkes | The_Androider: Then you wouldn't be able to do SoC anyway |
| 09:50.23 | Ivanovic | then you are not eligible for gsoc anyway |
| 09:50.31 | The_Androider | really |
| 09:50.35 | The_Androider | lol |
| 09:50.38 | MatthewWilkes | The_Androider: GCI may run again, but we don't know when yet |
| 09:50.40 | The_Androider | i'm a programmer... |
| 09:50.50 | The_Androider | i'm currently in college |
| 09:50.57 | Ivanovic | gsoc requires you being >=18 |
| 09:50.58 | The_Androider | finished 2 years so far... |
| 09:51.09 | MatthewWilkes | The_Androider: Yeah, but most countries have laws to protect young workers |
| 09:51.20 | The_Androider | i can just sign up in my fathers name and do the projects... |
| 09:51.33 | MatthewWilkes | The_Androider: As GSoC is in so many different countries it would be impossible to meet all the requirements |
| 09:51.38 | Ivanovic | no, you can't, since then your father would have to probve that he is a student |
| 09:51.40 | The_Androider | i'm allowed to work here... |
| 09:51.53 | MatthewWilkes | The_Androider: Is google allowed to employ you there is the question |
| 09:51.54 | The_Androider | oh |
| 09:51.57 | The_Androider | my sister then |
| 09:52.00 | Ivanovic | since google is a US based company they have to follow the US laws |
| 09:52.01 | The_Androider | she's a student |
| 09:52.25 | MatthewWilkes | The_Androider: And as soon as your mentoring organisation works it out you would be kicked out |
| 09:52.31 | The_Androider | MatthewWilkes: yes they do my friend signed up last year.... |
| 09:52.32 | MatthewWilkes | The_Androider: We don't appreciate being lied to |
| 09:53.55 | The_Androider | MatthewWilkes: we? |
| 09:54.09 | MatthewWilkes | The_Androider: The mentoring organisations the take part in GCI and GSoC |
| 09:54.28 | Ivanovic | we as those having at least some responsibility in here like people working for google as well as members of mentoring orgs |
| 09:58.52 | kai | ack |
| 09:59.16 | kai | confuses at python async frameworks |
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| 10:00.06 | Ivanovic | btw is the GCI stuff still accessible? |
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| 10:01.00 | kai | agrees with MatthewWilkes |
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| 10:01.29 | MatthewWilkes | You wouldn't if I was saying what I actually thought instead of the professional version ;) |
| 10:01.37 | Ivanovic | i'd like to look up who was listed as mentor for us as follow up of the mail carols sent last night |
| 10:01.51 | Ivanovic | btw cool stuff that a gci mentor is invited to the mentor summit! |
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| 10:02.52 | kai | yeah :D |
| 10:03.04 | kai | MatthewWilkes: well, maybe? ;) |
| 10:04.36 | Ivanovic | at least the links to the project pages ain't working anymore |
| 10:04.40 | Ivanovic | cf http://code.google.com/opensource/gci/2010-11/index.html |
| 10:06.06 | kai | Ivanovic: maybe poke the #melange folks |
| 10:07.59 | Ivanovic | poking... |
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| 10:42.54 | kai | hm, crap |
| 10:43.01 | kai | so much for that idea :/ |
| 10:43.18 | kai | why does this library have to be licensed MPL/GPLv2only |
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| 11:17.21 | v-kerozcak | hi, is there anyone from egipt? |
| 11:19.59 | sri13 | !next |
| 11:20.01 | gsocbot | sri13: "next" is July 11th - Mentors and students can begin submitting mid-term evaluations. July 15th - Mid-term evaluations deadline |
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| 11:21.04 | gsocbot | haseeb_: "next" is July 11th - Mentors and students can begin submitting mid-term evaluations. July 15th - Mid-term evaluations deadline |
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| 16:02.39 | haseeb_ | Hi carols |
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| 18:42.52 | javier_ | hi |
| 18:43.08 | javier_ | can a proyect be accepted yet? |
| 18:43.20 | javier_ | or proposals are closed |
| 18:43.23 | javier_ | ? |
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| 18:44.25 | javier_ | anyone kows? |
| 18:45.39 | ordex | javier_: deadlines were two maonths ago, nearly |
| 18:45.50 | ordex | everything is closed |
| 18:45.57 | javier_ | heh |
| 18:46.09 | Triskelios | wait for next year |
| 18:46.16 | javier_ | i am lookng for a proyect to work in |
| 18:46.31 | mlankhorst | next year :) |
| 18:46.32 | mlankhorst | !faq |
| 18:46.32 | gsocbot | mlankhorst: "faq" is http://goo.gl/Up2Qf |
| 18:46.41 | javier_ | members are locked too? |
| 18:46.59 | javier_ | ok i see |
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| 18:47.35 | carols | javier_: you can still reach out to any of the organizations participating in this year's program and let them know you'd like to volunteer for them |
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| 18:49.04 | Triskelios | yeah, a lot of orgs will still accept volunteers. I'll also plug openhatch.org which helps you find projects to work on |
| 18:49.14 | Triskelios | there's also http://blog.lydiapintscher.de/2011/04/25/not-accepted-into-gsoc-heres-what-to-do/ - some of the programs are year-round |
| 18:49.33 | ordex | open source organisations are always looking for volounteers :) |
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| 18:56.12 | MatthewWilkes | I hate passports |
| 18:56.24 | MatthewWilkes | Weekend ruined by non participation in the shengen agreement |
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| 20:49.22 | mlankhorst | always fun |
| 20:49.35 | mlankhorst | from where to where? |
| 20:50.04 | MatthewWilkes | Berlin |
| 20:50.09 | MatthewWilkes | From London |
| 20:50.44 | mlankhorst | you need a passport for that? o_O |
| 20:51.33 | MatthewWilkes | yeah |
| 20:51.34 | valorie | the UK isn't part of the EU, right? |
| 20:51.43 | MatthewWilkes | It is part of the EU, but not the Schengen treaty |
| 20:51.49 | MatthewWilkes | We have our own border |
| 20:51.52 | valorie | ah |
| 20:52.52 | mlankhorst | o_O |
| 20:53.26 | mlankhorst | so an european identity card wouldnt work in uk? |
| 20:53.57 | gevaerts | It does |
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| 20:54.09 | gevaerts | The problem is UK people don't have anything like that |
| 20:54.28 | MatthewWilkes | Nope, the scheme to bring them in here was horrible |
| 20:54.31 | MatthewWilkes | so it got shut down |
| 20:54.36 | gevaerts | Nothing to do with Schengen really I'd say |
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| 20:54.51 | MatthewWilkes | gevaerts: It requires a piece of ID to get past a border crossing⦠|
| 20:55.00 | MatthewWilkes | If there wasn't one a driving licence would do |
| 20:55.17 | gevaerts | MatthewWilkes: technically you need one to walk around |
| 20:55.24 | MatthewWilkes | gevaerts: No I don't |
| 20:55.36 | MatthewWilkes | gevaerts: You might, but not in the UK |
| 20:55.39 | MatthewWilkes | not for 60 years |
| 20:55.40 | gevaerts | well yes |
| 20:56.00 | gevaerts | Ah, right, I see what you mean |
| 20:56.08 | gevaerts | 's sense of direction got confused |
| 20:56.22 | gevaerts | I think... |
| 20:56.45 | MatthewWilkes | if you get asked for your ID by a policeman and he has a legal right to do so (very, very rare) you need to go to a police station to show someone within 3 days |
| 20:57.03 | gevaerts | What if you don't? |
| 20:57.23 | MatthewWilkes | misdemeanour offense |
| 20:57.31 | MatthewWilkes | would be like not carrying it when you're supposed to |
| 20:57.35 | gevaerts | How? He doesn't know it was you! |
| 20:57.56 | MatthewWilkes | gevaerts: You can be guilty of a crime without being caughtâ¦â¦ |
| 20:58.15 | gevaerts | What if someone else gets asked for his ID and he says he's MatthewWilkes? |
| 20:58.46 | mlankhorst | MatthewWilkes: well, what about driving without license? are you required to immediately show your drivers license? |
| 20:58.47 | MatthewWilkes | gevaerts: And doesn't show it? They have no proof he is me |
| 20:58.53 | MatthewWilkes | mlankhorst: Nope same deal |
| 20:59.08 | MatthewWilkes | gevaerts: They might come to ask me, but they'd have the person that asked me and would realise |
| 20:59.11 | mlankhorst | here you get fined, sadly |
| 20:59.15 | gevaerts | MatthewWilkes: so how can this three day rule actually work? |
| 20:59.26 | MatthewWilkes | gevaerts: Because if it's important they arrest you? |
| 20:59.46 | MatthewWilkes | I mean, it's not like "Hi, we're looking for a rapist that matches your description called Phil Potts, what's your name?" |
| 20:59.55 | MatthewWilkes | "Dave Smith. Oh, okay, just swing by to prove that.:" |
| 20:59.56 | Kulik | hehe |
| 20:59.57 | mlankhorst | gevaerts: the dutch rules are more stupid :/ |
| 21:00.12 | mlankhorst | not having an id with you is very sane tbh |
| 21:00.13 | gevaerts | MatthewWilkes: it *doesn't* work like that? |
| 21:00.19 | gevaerts | has to change his tactics then! |
| 21:00.22 | mlankhorst | requiring you to wear it all times is stupid |
| 21:00.29 | MatthewWilkes | it's like "We have made a note of that theft, can you come show your ID to finalise the paperwork?" |
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| 21:01.03 | gevaerts | "Yes, I can" |
| 21:01.14 | gevaerts | And then let the legal battle begin :) |
| 21:01.17 | MatthewWilkes | we have laws preventing you having to tell the police your name unless you're arrested, for example. |
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| 21:01.56 | mlankhorst | same here, for as much as its worth, they can always arrest you for obstructing them or some bs |
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| 21:02.40 | gevaerts | There's a chip somewhere in Berlin that has my name on it |
| 21:02.57 | gevaerts | It fell out of my eID back in December 2009 |
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| 21:04.49 | Triskelios | MatthewWilkes: the US used to :( |
| 21:05.28 | valorie | right, we let the terrorists win |
| 21:05.37 | valorie | with hardly a peep of protest |
| 21:06.08 | valorie | I see the point of having your driver's license on you when you are driving |
| 21:06.22 | valorie | the fact that it is ID is just convenient for the police |
| 21:06.36 | valorie | but that isn't what it is FOR |
| 21:06.42 | valorie | even if we use it that way |
| 21:07.13 | MatthewWilkes | valorie: gevaerts's driving licence isn't good id |
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| 21:07.19 | MatthewWilkes | neither is my dad's |
| 21:07.22 | MatthewWilkes | bit of pink paper |
| 21:07.31 | gevaerts | With an *old* photo |
| 21:07.39 | gevaerts | hm |
| 21:07.47 | gevaerts | seems to remember he showed it to MatthewWilkes |
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| 21:08.26 | valorie | my dad's first driver's license was typed on cardboard |
| 21:08.28 | valorie | no photo |
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| 21:08.41 | valorie | cost him like 50 cents or something |
| 21:08.50 | valorie | but that was in the 30s |
| 21:09.19 | valorie | he drove over to get it, too |
| 21:09.21 | valorie | lol |
| 21:12.26 | mlankhorst | bank pass now |
| 21:14.29 | mlankhorst | which is a lot more handy for driver licenses :) |
| 21:16.51 | baer | valorie: my us driver license was less than $20 in 2008 iirc |
| 21:17.01 | baer | roughly 1% of what i spent on my german one ;) |
| 21:17.37 | valorie | right, they aren't expensive here either, unless you want an "enhanced" one, which will let you into Canada without a passport |
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| 21:21.02 | valorie | Passport costs about $100 though |
| 21:21.08 | valorie | and takes weeks |
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| 21:32.11 | mlankhorst | thats because you have to prove you're not a terrorist :/ |
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| 21:37.57 | schumaml | no, THEY know that already. the wait is to prevent you from learning that THEY know |
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| 21:52.32 | valorie | very expensive theatre |
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