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| 01:55.41 | wiktor_b | I received the evaluation survey reminder a few hours ago, and the link in the email is dead. |
| 01:55.51 | wiktor_b | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/project_survey/take/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/midterm |
| 01:55.58 | ojwb | wiktor_b: just go to your dashboard |
| 01:56.03 | ojwb | the link they sent is wrong |
| 01:56.14 | wiktor_b | dang |
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| 02:06.19 | sri13 | !next |
| 02:06.21 | gsocbot | sri13: "next" is July 15th - Mid-term evaluations deadline, any evaluations missing after this deadline will cause student payment to be delayed. |
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| 02:23.47 | ojwb | gsocbot: learn next as July 15th 19:00 UTC - Mid-term evaluations deadline, any evaluations missing after this deadline will cause student payment to be delayed. |
| 02:23.50 | gsocbot | ojwb: "next" is (#1) July 15th - Mid-term evaluations deadline, any evaluations missing after this deadline will cause student payment to be delayed., or (#2) July 15th 19:00 UTC - Mid-term evaluations deadline, any evaluations missing after this deadline will cause student payment to be delayed. |
| 02:23.54 | ojwb | gsocbot forget next 1 |
| 02:23.55 | gsocbot | ojwb: "next" is July 15th 19:00 UTC - Mid-term evaluations deadline, any evaluations missing after this deadline will cause student payment to be delayed. |
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| 07:04.22 | gsocbot | abhinav-: "faq" is http://goo.gl/Up2Qf |
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| 07:21.48 | sonney2k | SRabbelier, how do I figure out whether I am entering an evaluation for me as a mentor or for a mentor. (I am org admin and co-mentor...) |
| 07:22.19 | ojwb | sonney2k: the org admin doesn't evaluate the mentors |
| 07:22.38 | sonney2k | ojwb, I meant I am trying to evaluate a student |
| 07:22.47 | ojwb | oh, I see |
| 07:22.47 | sonney2k | but I don't know whether it is the mentors evaluation I am editing or mine |
| 07:22.56 | ojwb | well, you know which your student is don't you? |
| 07:23.12 | ojwb | there's only one evaluation of the student by the org |
| 07:23.16 | ojwb | if that's what you're asking |
| 07:23.40 | sonney2k | I see there is a org admin link but I am just not sure whose evaluation I see now |
| 07:23.54 | ojwb | there's only one per student |
| 07:23.56 | sonney2k | ojwb, carols email indicated that both org admin and mentor can do this |
| 07:23.59 | ojwb | yes |
| 07:24.02 | sonney2k | OK |
| 07:24.03 | ojwb | but it's the same form |
| 07:24.07 | ojwb | either of you can fill it in |
| 07:24.08 | sonney2k | then that solves my question |
| 07:24.11 | sonney2k | problem |
| 07:24.40 | sonney2k | ojwb, so I then did the work for the mentors - and they won't know - ohh well |
| 07:24.44 | sonney2k | thanks |
| 07:24.55 | sonney2k | next time they can do this job :) |
| 07:25.26 | ojwb | it'll save you some time chasing people at least |
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| 07:26.53 | SRabbelier | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:03.03 | TobiasFar | "How many years have you participated in Google Summer of Code? " is this including this year? |
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| 08:03.51 | Ivanovic | TobiasFar: just look at the answers |
| 08:04.07 | TobiasFar | ah..right |
| 08:04.08 | TobiasFar | thanks |
| 08:04.11 | Ivanovic | since i only see "this is my first year", "2-3 years" as well as "more than 3 years" i'd say: of course! |
| 08:08.07 | sonney2k | SRabbelier, yeah it is a bit confusing that there is just one per student but it makes sense from googles perspective of course... anyway thanks |
| 08:08.30 | SRabbelier | sonney2k: np :) |
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| 08:23.47 | kai | sfb: ping |
| 08:26.32 | kai | ok, almost all proposals in |
| 08:26.43 | kai | er, s/proposals/evals |
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| 09:25.36 | kai | hmm |
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| 09:26.25 | kai | stupid database, do what I want! |
| 09:26.49 | in3xes | they never do that :P |
| 09:26.50 | Ophiuchi | kai: dwim, not dwis? ,-) |
| 09:27.41 | kai | Ophiuchi: I'm not saying anything actually because what I want seems to be impossible |
| 09:28.15 | kai | unless I create a new table with useless data that I can join with my data :/ |
| 09:28.36 | Ophiuchi | kai: what are you trying to do? |
| 09:28.55 | in3xes | impossible thing? |
| 09:29.18 | kai | generating usage statistics on the fly in php (yuck) from timestamps in our mysql database (yuck) |
| 09:29.57 | kai | I hate web programming, too bad web interfaces are about all my userbase can deal with |
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| 09:30.49 | in3xes | kai: I thought you work for google (as you are op here ;) ) |
| 09:31.16 | kai | I don't work for google. I'm a biologist :) |
| 09:31.38 | kai | granted, a computational biologist, but I'm still working in biology |
| 09:31.47 | in3xes | Hmm |
| 09:32.08 | Ophiuchi | kai: heh. As if entomology wasn't going to be useful to Google ,-P |
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| 09:46.48 | Talad | Hi |
| 09:46.58 | Talad | is there a way to see the student evaluations? (as org admin) |
| 09:47.09 | Talad | the evaluations students made |
| 09:47.55 | Talad | also can student see their mentor evaluations? |
| 09:49.17 | RlyDontKnow | no |
| 09:49.34 | RlyDontKnow | the organization doesn't see student evaluations and the other way round |
| 09:50.02 | aghisla | admins can see if the student has filled it or not |
| 09:50.04 | RlyDontKnow | see this FAQ question: http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/faqs#evals |
| 09:52.07 | hc | only google can see it all ;-) |
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| 10:40.32 | MatthewWilkes | Hey, how do I see the students' evals as a org admin? |
| 10:40.38 | MatthewWilkes | the table isn't links for those |
| 10:40.58 | ojwb | MatthewWilkes: it seems you can't this year |
| 10:41.05 | ojwb | IIRC you could 2 years ago at least |
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| 10:43.23 | madrazr | ojwb: you will be able to see that some time soon |
| 10:43.24 | madrazr | :) |
| 10:43.43 | madrazr | MatthewWilkes: I am working on a readonly view for the looking at the evaluations submitted by students |
| 10:43.46 | madrazr | for Org Admins |
| 10:44.07 | MatthewWilkes | hugs madrazr |
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| 10:44.27 | madrazr | MatthewWilkes: thanks :) |
| 10:44.30 | madrazr | hugs MatthewWilkes |
| 10:44.40 | dca | wow, so much gsocers here ;) |
| 10:45.04 | madrazr | dca: much less than Proposal submission days :) |
| 10:45.43 | chrisoelmueller | madrazr: you could try the opera technique, it's almost read-only even if you're supposed to fill the evals :P scnr |
| 10:46.10 | chrisoelmueller | but seriously, I'd appreciate if I weren't forced into using a different browser by melange everytime a new feature gets available |
| 10:46.11 | madrazr | chrisoelmueller: scnr? |
| 10:46.29 | MatthewWilkes | sorry, could not resist |
| 10:46.30 | madrazr | chrisoelmueller: did you have to do that? Melange is broken in Opera? |
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| 10:46.44 | MatthewWilkes | I always read as SNCF |
| 10:47.08 | chrisoelmueller | madrazr: yeah, the evaluation page does not allow me to use radio buttons in opera |
| 10:47.32 | madrazr | chrisoelmueller: Oh |
| 10:47.38 | madrazr | chrisoelmueller: you filed a bug yesterday? |
| 10:48.55 | chrisoelmueller | madrazr: nope, I did not |
| 10:49.53 | madrazr | chrisoelmueller: can you please do me a favor? |
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| 11:40.17 | kai | !bugs | chrisoelmueller |
| 11:40.17 | gsocbot | chrisoelmueller: "bugs" is http://tinyurl.com/new-issue |
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| 11:46.32 | kai | wonders how many villages were invaded by aliens recently |
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| 11:47.25 | gevaerts | kai: no more than, hm, how many students are there again this year? |
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| 11:48.59 | kai | :) |
| 11:50.27 | MatthewWilkes | at least an austrian man has saved us from religious oppression |
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| 11:50.58 | Kulik | hehe |
| 11:51.00 | kai | : D |
| 11:51.13 | kai | oh, look, my mouth fell off... |
| 11:51.53 | Kulik | would be golden if he was driving with the strainer pot and police inspected him ;-) |
| 11:52.05 | ojwb | !numapps | gevaerts |
| 11:52.06 | gsocbot | gevaerts: "numapps" is 417 mentoring orgs applied and 175 were accepted this year; 5474 proposals were submitted by 3731 students, and 1116 were accepted. In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and 151 were accepted; 5539 proposals were submitted by 3464 students, and 1026 were accepted. |
| 11:52.26 | kai | Kulik: even more funny if he was not wearing it |
| 11:52.40 | Kulik | ;-) |
| 11:53.09 | Kulik | I wonder what the policemen would do, would be a nice study of how they follow the protocol |
| 11:53.12 | MatthewWilkes | kai: pastafarianism is a complex set of ritual |
| 11:53.24 | kai | "Is that really you? Can you please put on this noodle strainer for me?" |
| 11:53.48 | kai | MatthewWilkes: maybe the headgear is only mandatory for being photographed? |
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| 11:54.54 | Kulik | hehe |
| 11:54.56 | gevaerts | ojwb: That was a rhetorical question! |
| 11:55.22 | ojwb | answering rhetorical questions is a hobby of mine |
| 11:55.39 | gevaerts | Why doesn't that surprise me? |
| 11:55.44 | gevaerts | hides :) |
| 11:55.57 | ojwb | because you've interacted with me before |
| 11:56.13 | gevaerts | ojwb: That was a rhetorical question! |
| 11:56.19 | gevaerts | is stuck in a loop |
| 11:56.58 | kai | gevaerts: so you can use your backlog :) |
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| 14:01.22 | MatthewWilkes | kai: One ping only, please. |
| 14:02.00 | MatthewWilkes | kai: ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jr0JaXfKj68 ) |
| 14:02.23 | kai | haha |
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| 14:11.54 | kai | MatthewWilkes: actually I'm happy to yankee search him until he turns up, I'm not riding a boomer :) |
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| 14:15.50 | MatthewWilkes | kai: You crazy ivan! |
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| 15:13.09 | sfb | kai: ping |
| 15:13.26 | sfb | kai: I'll finish them tonight. I keep starting and walking away and timing out my session. |
| 15:13.44 | sfb | Anyway. |
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| 15:20.26 | Vikash | !next |
| 15:20.27 | gsocbot | Vikash: "next" is July 15th 19:00 UTC - Mid-term evaluations deadline, any evaluations missing after this deadline will cause student payment to be delayed. |
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| 15:31.49 | Vikash | carols |
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| 16:12.49 | Talad | Hi |
| 16:12.56 | Talad | I have a question on the google supplier registration |
| 16:13.24 | Talad | in the form you can just specify a postal address in US |
| 16:13.28 | Talad | what about the other countries? |
| 16:14.17 | MatthewWilkes | isn't everyone a delaware nfp? |
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| 16:15.55 | Talad | I don't think so |
| 16:15.57 | Talad | and we are not |
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| 16:38.49 | Reedy | Hi, the link for the midterm evaluations is giving 404 not found. http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/grading_project_survey/take/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/midterm |
| 16:38.56 | Reedy | Can anyone advise what the proper one is please? |
| 16:39.31 | tsudot | Reedy, login in google-melange and check your dashboard |
| 16:39.50 | Reedy | Ah, cheers |
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| 16:47.28 | carols | serves tea and coffee |
| 16:47.38 | MatthewWilkes | oooh |
| 16:47.40 | MatthewWilkes | danke carols |
| 16:47.49 | carols | hey MatthewWilkes :-) |
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| 16:48.24 | MatthewWilkes | This will help with will help pass the time while waiting for my student's daily progress meeting |
| 16:48.57 | MatthewWilkes | :( |
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| 16:52.51 | Talad | hi carols |
| 16:53.01 | carols | hi Talad |
| 16:53.16 | Talad | I've sent a question to the mailing list on the google supplier form. If you have time to review it will be great |
| 16:53.30 | carols | Talad: if its in my email, i will get to it today. |
| 16:53.47 | Talad | I guess you are subscribed to the mailing list, so yes :) |
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| 16:53.58 | carols | great :-) |
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| 16:56.34 | MatthewWilkes | oh, the red on my admin dashboard makes me feel so sad |
| 16:56.55 | MatthewWilkes | not as sad as if I was the primary admin and had all those extra headaches, of course |
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| 16:57.28 | carols | MatthewWilkes: have a cup of tea, it will make you feel less sad. |
| 16:57.45 | MatthewWilkes | I think I'll have a cup of gin, instead |
| 16:58.03 | bloodybeet | mix it for superior effect |
| 16:58.09 | gevaerts | provides ice and tonic to make it more refreshing |
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| 17:00.00 | chx | when is the next mailbomb :) ? |
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| 17:04.48 | carols | chx: i haven't decided yet |
| 17:05.41 | chx | carols: couple hours? |
| 17:05.55 | carols | chx: probably. is it important to you to know exactly when? |
| 17:06.20 | scorche | carols: one must batten down th' hatches |
| 17:06.51 | chx | carols: just trying to plan my day -- a couple hours after the mailbomb I will need to hunt down those that didnt fill in |
| 17:06.59 | chx | carols: not that i didnt do that anywyas but i was only shooting a couple emails |
| 17:07.22 | carols | gets a raincoat and flak jacket |
| 17:07.46 | carols | chx: its whenever i get to it and i confirm with the melange developers that they're ready. so i'm not sure. |
| 17:07.51 | chx | raincoat? is it raining down there as well? It does here but then again it's Vancouver. |
| 17:07.56 | chx | Although usually even here doesnt rain mid-july. |
| 17:07.59 | in3xes | evaluations end tomorrow right? |
| 17:08.14 | chx | Right. Tomorrow noon pacific if i got my timezones right. |
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| 17:08.59 | carols | in3xes: yes, at 19:00 UTC |
| 17:09.48 | in3xes | Ok. Thanks |
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| 17:11.38 | dberkholz | for some reason students are always so much faster to complete them than mentors. =P |
| 17:12.02 | scorche | dberkholz: except my only red is currently a student =/ |
| 17:12.19 | dberkholz | last night i had 1 student left and 11 mentors |
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| 17:12.25 | scorche | (who is not being failed) |
| 17:12.30 | dberkholz | out of about 20 projects (2 orgs) |
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| 17:13.24 | carols | doesn't understand why people wait until the last minute and/or miss the deadline entirely for midterm evaluations |
| 17:13.39 | dberkholz | it's the very nature of deadlines |
| 17:13.46 | scorche | pretty much |
| 17:13.58 | dberkholz | properly lazy people will always wait until the last minute because sometimes the requirement/project disappears entirely |
| 17:14.12 | carols | dberkholz: but there's $2255 on the line, surely that's an incentive to do it? to fill in a multiple-choice survey? |
| 17:14.22 | carols | i mean, this isn't rocket science |
| 17:14.28 | dberkholz | carols: right, and that's why 95% of students have done it. but the mentors aren't getting paid =P |
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| 17:14.49 | carols | dberkholz: well, they are. unless their org doesn't give them the money :-P |
| 17:15.43 | dberkholz | it's been my impression that very few orgs do pass on the money. wonder how true that really is |
| 17:16.17 | scorche | that is my impression as well |
| 17:17.34 | scorche | for us at least, the money is used to further the org's goals - pay for new targets, new toys (such as a USB debugger), and beer (among other related things) to help fund our yearly developers conferences |
| 17:17.53 | dberkholz | with some of our people, we wait till the last minute because we need all the time we can get to determine whether to pass them |
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| 17:18.34 | dberkholz | but that's a minority |
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| 17:20.39 | redheadphones | remembers he highlighted 'beer' |
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| 17:22.08 | redache | w |
| 17:24.27 | DarkSector | For students, the evaluation form is the only thing that has to be filled right? |
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| 17:25.45 | carols | DarkSector: as far as google is concerned, yes. but you should check with your org to make sure they don't have any additional requirements |
| 17:26.01 | DarkSector | carols: Alright, thank you. |
| 17:26.04 | carols | yw |
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| 17:27.31 | chx | yeah, dont forget to send in the soul of your firstborn |
| 17:28.42 | DarkSector | haha |
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| 17:30.33 | chx | just wait until you hear the requirements for finishing the program. |
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| 18:11.12 | LetterRip | carols - we have an odd situation :) We have a student who it was agreed with reluctance to fail. The students response was gracious and asked if it would be possible to 1) fail the midterm and not be paid for it but 2) continue and pass the final |
| 18:11.20 | LetterRip | he plans to continue the work regardless |
| 18:11.44 | carols | LetterRip: unfortunately not. you can't fail the midterm in gsoc and then pass the final. once you get a fail you're out of the program entirely. |
| 18:11.53 | LetterRip | yep that is what i figured |
| 18:12.06 | carols | what is the specific problem the student's running into? |
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| 18:12.44 | LetterRip | well the student was drastically over committed for most of the first half unaticipatedly, and had communication issues and personality mismatch with the mentor |
| 18:12.45 | Ophiuchi | LetterRip: does the student have a chance to actually finish their project successfully? |
| 18:13.37 | LetterRip | also the student was less familiar with certain coding styles that resulted in him progressing drastially slower than anticapted (although most of the first half was design) |
| 18:14.24 | LetterRip | Ophiuchi: i'm not sure |
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| 18:15.21 | LetterRip | mostly myself and the other cordinator were impressed with his response to being failed, so i felt it worth exploring the possibility first |
| 18:15.28 | LetterRip | and if so talk with the mentor |
| 18:16.00 | LetterRip | but without it being possible from a technical side, it makes the rest moot |
| 18:17.03 | LetterRip | we all agreed that based on his progress to date that he had to be failed for the purpose of fairness |
| 18:17.04 | kugel | well, if you think he can finish the project until at the end, he should pass mid term, no? |
| 18:17.20 | LetterRip | kugel - no |
| 18:18.03 | LetterRip | his progress to date did not justify a pass - payments are for what is done, not what could be done - in my view |
| 18:19.02 | kugel | thought the main reason to not let one pass mid term is general doubt in the overall success of the project |
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| 18:19.22 | kugel | I'm a student, no menter, so I can't really comment any further |
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| 18:21.21 | carols | LetterRip: it is entirely at your org's discretion. you set up the criteria for his passing/failure at the start of the program, now you have to decide if he can meet that criteria now and/or at the final :-) |
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| 18:22.37 | LetterRip | right i know it is at our discretion, but we decided on the pass/fail critera and while I would be comfortable giving a second chance, etc. Would not be comfortable passing when he clearly didn't meet our criteria to do so |
| 18:22.48 | carols | LetterRip: that makes sense to me. |
| 18:22.49 | LetterRip | anywho thanks for the answer |
| 18:22.52 | carols | yw |
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| 18:33.25 | dberkholz | it would be interesting if you could delay the midterm payment into a single huge lump at the end |
| 18:33.36 | dberkholz | when the alternative was failure |
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| 18:34.50 | carols | dberkholz: we actually did that for a student last year, and i have to say, i was disappointed. much like it says in the mentor manual, the students who are shaky at the midterm, even if its through no fault of their own, seem to not be able to pull it together by the end. |
| 18:35.19 | scorche | yeah - it is quite sad, really |
| 18:35.27 | chx | That was a very very messed up case |
| 18:35.42 | chx | I was extremely unhappy but the student was extremely pushy :( |
| 18:35.51 | chx | I did take care of that this year however |
| 18:36.10 | dberkholz | carols: heh, deja vu from a gentoo-soc channel earlier: |
| 18:36.11 | dberkholz | 16:23 < dberkholz@> i guess my perspective is that better students will succeed in spite of obstacles, rather than blaming them and giving up.. |
| 18:36.23 | chx | i did five gsocs before i heard a student bitching me about the contractual obligations of our org |
| 18:36.38 | carols | chx: let's try not to get into specifics about the student here. |
| 18:36.47 | chx | i am not naming anyone of course |
| 18:36.51 | carols | ok. |
| 18:37.18 | chx | this year i have extra emphasized that the primary goal is to contribute and not to earn money. Doh! |
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| 18:37.51 | carols | dberkholz: the numbers don't seem to support that perspective. its a shame, i wish i could be more positive about it, but it doesnt seem to be the case. |
| 18:38.25 | dberkholz | it seems like you think we're disagreeing, when the opposite is true |
| 18:38.38 | carols | dberkholz: ah, ok. :-) |
| 18:38.50 | dberkholz | good students tend not to ever be shaky, no matter what problems come up |
| 18:39.07 | dberkholz | they deal with them or overcome them, instead of using them as excuses |
| 18:39.16 | carols | ah, i see what you're saying. |
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| 18:39.18 | carols | yes, i agree. |
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| 18:39.55 | dberkholz | we've had a couple of students who unexpectedly had issues come up where they were away for a couple of weeks. are they behind schedule? no, they made it work |
| 18:40.28 | carols | yep. someone who's not motivated will look for any excuse. someone who is motivated will overcome those excuses. |
| 18:40.44 | fujii__ | Ok, I'm just a newbie in gsoc, but I think we can't expect every student to be awesome |
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| 18:41.20 | fujii__ | People get shaken up when things are hard. The first part of the project, when you decide things, can be pretty tough. |
| 18:41.31 | fujii__ | I have been in the other side, sort of |
| 18:41.36 | Ophiuchi | fujii: of course, but there's a difference between "not being awesome" and "not doing enough to meet the minimum requirements" |
| 18:41.55 | fujii__ | If you use it as an excuse it's bad, but if you get a little behind and need extra support I think it's pretty normal |
| 18:42.34 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: any chance we could get a submission timestamp column on the eval tables? i like to check them when they come in, and i can't remember which ones i've read |
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| 18:43.03 | SRabbelier | gah :P |
| 18:43.09 | SRabbelier | I don't know if we even collect those |
| 18:43.41 | dberkholz | oh well. i can deal. i'll just have to read them all again after the deadline |
| 18:44.17 | dberkholz | hmm, i think these 2 are new.. |
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| 18:48.56 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: hm, looks like we do have it |
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| 19:29.44 | KentB_ | We have a mentor who has to bow out for personal reasons. The student is being passed, but we need to assign a different mentor. how can I go about doing that? |
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| 19:31.05 | carols | KentB_: talk to the person you'd like to take the former mentor's place and have him/her start mentoring the student :-) |
| 19:33.26 | Ophiuchi | a handover between mentors would likely also be useful |
| 19:34.20 | KentB_ | es that part is happeneing, I just wanted to switch them in the melange system |
| 19:34.54 | carols | KentB_: that person applies as the previous mentor did to mentor the project and then the org admin approves it |
| 19:35.08 | KentB_ | ok got ya thanks |
| 19:35.19 | carols | yw |
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| 19:42.30 | zgreg | is it really instafail if a student fails to submit the midterm eval? |
| 19:42.43 | carols | zgreg: yes. |
| 19:42.50 | zgreg | hehe, ok |
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| 19:43.22 | Kulik | better checks he filled that form and it wasn't just a dream :D |
| 19:43.32 | zgreg | maybe I should do the same :) |
| 19:43.40 | akashm1990 | !next |
| 19:43.42 | gsocbot | akashm1990: "next" is July 15th 19:00 UTC - Mid-term evaluations deadline, any evaluations missing after this deadline will cause student payment to be delayed. |
| 19:44.10 | zgreg | yeah I only read this |
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| 19:44.29 | zgreg | delayed payment sure sounds tame compared to instant fail and removal from gsoc |
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| 19:45.55 | firc | if my evaluation says "submitted", I'm done right? |
| 19:46.12 | carols | firc: yes |
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| 19:46.21 | firc | cool. Thanks carols :) |
| 19:46.24 | carols | yw |
| 19:47.56 | akashm1990 | carols, I thought you got enough mails as it is.. now you will get phone calls as well |
| 19:48.24 | carols | akashm1990: my phone number is all over melange and the internet. i trust i wont get any more phone calls then i did before :-) |
| 19:48.40 | akashm1990 | then its a different story |
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| 19:49.30 | in3xes_ | she must have different work and personal phones |
| 19:50.00 | carols | in3xes: the phone numbers that matter aren't published anywhere :-) |
| 19:50.12 | in3xes_ | hehe |
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| 19:53.21 | firc | carols: would there be a list published of students who "pass" the mid-term? |
| 19:53.47 | carols | firc: the students listed on the accepted projects page are the ones in good standing with the program. when they fail or are removed, they are removed from that list. |
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| 19:54.11 | firc | Ah ok. So, no separate list. But there will be one final list, after the program is over? |
| 19:54.43 | carols | firc: yes, that page will continue to exist as the canonical list of students who participated in the program and passed this year. |
| 19:54.46 | bloodybeet | Could someone give an example for the question "give one example of a very good or bad interaction you had with your monitor"? |
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| 19:55.45 | firc | bloodybeet: I can help with that! I had this annoying bug over which I spent quite some weeks! Then, my mentor and me together debugged it, and it was quite some fun! So, something like that I guess. |
| 19:56.08 | bloodybeet | Okay, so only if there were exceptionally stories to tell :p |
| 19:56.11 | firc | carols: ty once again :) |
| 19:56.20 | carols | yw |
| 19:56.34 | Guest47084 | bloodybeet: Think of *that* interaction with your mentor that made you really happy that you are working with him/her (and GSoC). |
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| 19:57.13 | head65 | if I'm behind schedule, does that mean I fail midterm evaluations? |
| 19:57.21 | bloodybeet | Oh, i know something! |
| 19:57.22 | bloodybeet | :D |
| 19:57.29 | carols | head65: that's up to your mentor. what does he/she say? |
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| 19:58.41 | head65 | well, he hasn't said anything. I'm just continuing to work on my project |
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| 19:59.06 | carols | head65: the only person who decides whether you pass or fail is your mentor and your org admin in his/her place if necessary. |
| 19:59.40 | head65 | ahh..k. thanks carols |
| 19:59.44 | carols | yw |
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| 20:06.11 | downeym | Is it possible for org admins to see student evaluations? |
| 20:06.11 | carols | downeym: a question for SRabbelier |
| 20:09.03 | SRabbelier | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:09.15 | SRabbelier | downeym: tomorrow :) |
| 20:09.24 | downeym | SRabbelier: ok :) |
| 20:16.27 | c0smikdebris | Is there a word limit to these answers? How much do i really need to write? |
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| 20:18.50 | carols | c0smikdebris: all the freeform text fields are optional, so write what you feel answers the question if you have something to say. |
| 20:19.11 | carols | as to the technical word limitations, thats a melange question for SRabbelier |
| 20:19.35 | SRabbelier | carols: none |
| 20:19.44 | carols | does that help c0smikdebris? |
| 20:20.07 | c0smikdebris | carols: yep. thanks. a few lines should do i guess? |
| 20:20.42 | carols | c0smikdebris: as i said, write whatever you deem appropriate. or dont write anything at all if you dont have anything to say. up to you. |
| 20:23.06 | c0smikdebris | carols: the question about good/bad interaction with your mentor is mandatory i think. |
| 20:23.21 | c0smikdebris | anyway, a few lines should be enough to describe one experience :P |
| 20:23.25 | c0smikdebris | thanks |
| 20:23.29 | carols | c0smikdebris: is it? hmm, that's unintentional. ill have to get a bug filed with the melange guys |
| 20:23.48 | gevaerts | c0smikdebris: writing that nothing springs to mind shouldn't be too hard :) |
| 20:24.11 | SRabbelier | carols: can you check the survey? |
| 20:24.18 | SRabbelier | carols: make sure the 'required' box didn't get ticket? |
| 20:24.21 | SRabbelier | ticked even |
| 20:24.25 | carols | SRabbelier: yeah, ill do that |
| 20:25.33 | carols | SRabbelier: nope, those boxes aren't ticked. |
| 20:25.36 | carols | not required. |
| 20:25.39 | c0smikdebris | gevaerts: many spring to mind.. just making sure carols doesn't expect an essay. :P |
| 20:25.52 | SRabbelier | c0smikdebris: what makes you think it's mandatory? |
| 20:25.56 | carols | c0smikdebris: are you seeing that question as required? if so, that's a bug. |
| 20:26.13 | c0smikdebris | there's a red * next to it |
| 20:26.41 | carols | c0smikdebris: please file a bug. it shouldn't be there :-) |
| 20:27.13 | c0smikdebris | carols: sure. will do that. thanks :) |
| 20:27.30 | SRabbelier | !screenshot | c0smikdebris |
| 20:27.31 | gsocbot | c0smikdebris: "screenshot" is Please provide a screenshot illustrating your problem, we recommend http://www.awesomescreenshot.com for easy screenshotting. |
| 20:27.32 | carols | yw |
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| 20:33.30 | c0smikdebris | SRabbelier: http://awesomescreenshot.com/0b1gmlg25 |
| 20:34.57 | SRabbelier | c0smikdebris: that's totally weird, it's showing up as optional to me |
| 20:35.12 | SRabbelier | ah |
| 20:35.16 | SRabbelier | but you're a student |
| 20:35.43 | v-kerozc1k | i'm also a student and it's showing required to me |
| 20:35.43 | chrisoelmueller | what happens if the form is submitted with that field being empty? |
| 20:36.03 | ThFabba | Sorry, we could not save your data. Please fix the errors mentioned below. |
| 20:36.12 | v-kerozc1k | chrisoelmueller: it shows error that field can't be empty |
| 20:36.15 | c0smikdebris | refresh/logout doesn't fix it either. |
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| 20:40.04 | SRabbelier | c0smikdebris: we're working on it |
| 20:40.31 | c0smikdebris | SRabbelier: cool. do i need to file a bug? |
| 20:41.02 | SRabbelier | c0smikdebris: nope |
| 20:41.04 | SRabbelier | c0smikdebris: we got it :) |
| 20:41.20 | c0smikdebris | great. thanks :) |
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| 20:44.07 | Ophiuchi | failing a student is hard :& |
| 20:44.25 | carols | serves tea and cookies |
| 20:44.34 | carols | have a cookie Ophiuchi |
| 20:44.46 | Ophiuchi | carols: thanks |
| 20:48.04 | abhinav- | Ophiuchi: We have a failed student ? :-o |
| 20:49.15 | Ophiuchi | abhinav-: don't panic, -you- haven't been slacking. |
| 20:49.26 | abhinav- | :-D |
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| 21:21.00 | clioweb | hello, is there someone here who can help me with posting midterm evaluation? |
| 21:21.16 | carols | clioweb: what do you mean "posting"? |
| 21:21.19 | clioweb | specifically, I get an error when trying to access the evaluation |
| 21:21.28 | carols | clioweb: you should ask SRabbelier about that |
| 21:21.49 | SRabbelier | !moredata | clioweb |
| 21:21.50 | gsocbot | clioweb: "moredata" is Please provide more data on your problem, have you tried turning it off and on again? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p85xwZ_OLX0 |
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| 21:22.56 | clioweb | I get the followign error: "This page is inaccessible because you do not have a profile in the program at this time." |
| 21:24.21 | gevaerts | clioweb: are you logged in using the same google account you used to register? |
| 21:24.38 | clioweb | yes |
| 21:25.07 | clioweb | also the same one at which I received the email from google melange asking me to post by tomorrow :) |
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| 21:27.27 | SRabbelier | clioweb: link_id? |
| 21:27.36 | SRabbelier | clioweb: you probably did something to your google account? |
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| 21:28.32 | clioweb | SRabbelier, what do you mean by link_id? Teh whole URL, or the number at the end, perhaps? |
| 21:28.42 | SRabbelier | clioweb: your username |
| 21:28.51 | clioweb | jeremy@clioweb.org |
| 21:29.03 | clioweb | which is a google apps account |
| 21:29.48 | SRabbelier | clioweb: so you migrated? |
| 21:30.19 | SRabbelier | clioweb: there's no user with that account |
| 21:30.27 | SRabbelier | clioweb: your username is something like clioweb, or srabbelier in my case |
| 21:31.23 | SRabbelier | clioweb: try now |
| 21:32.10 | clioweb | SRabbelier, works now, thanks |
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| 21:46.16 | Nightrose | yay - only 3 of 102 evaluations left |
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| 21:54.52 | MatthewWilkes | hi all |
| 21:54.55 | Ophiuchi | Nightrose: chasing mentors and students? :) |
| 21:55.24 | carols | hi MatthewWilkes |
| 21:55.26 | Nightrose | Ophiuchi: indeed indeed - the 3 left ones are tricky however - 1 is undecided and the two others are semi-away |
| 21:55.34 | MatthewWilkes | carols! |
| 21:55.44 | carols | hey MatthewWilkes :-) |
| 21:55.49 | Nightrose | waves at MatthewWilkes and carols |
| 21:55.56 | carols | i've been responding to emails and chats all day. i can use some tea :-) |
| 21:55.59 | carols | hey Nightrose :-) |
| 21:56.03 | carols | good to see you |
| 21:56.08 | gevaerts | gives carols some tea |
| 21:56.17 | carols | thanks gevaerts :-) |
| 21:56.24 | Nightrose | carols: heh - i had one of those days the day before yesterday - feel your pain |
| 21:56.32 | MatthewWilkes | Nightrose: nabend! |
| 21:56.37 | carols | Nightrose: its really taxing. have some tea. :-) |
| 21:56.49 | Nightrose | good idea |
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| 21:58.18 | Ophiuchi | have a nice tea, all :) |
| 21:58.44 | MatthewWilkes | carols: What's the tea this evening? |
| 22:00.03 | carols | MatthewWilkes: i've got assam and what looks like jasmine pearls |
| 22:00.12 | carols | MatthewWilkes: and have you seen professor ellemental? |
| 22:00.20 | MatthewWilkes | no? |
| 22:01.01 | carols | MatthewWilkes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eELH0ivexKA |
| 22:01.02 | MatthewWilkes | it's a very evocative name though |
| 22:01.05 | MatthewWilkes | unless it was a typo |
| 22:01.28 | MatthewWilkes | ah, sadly a typo ;) |
| 22:01.39 | carols | yeah, sorry |
| 22:01.41 | MatthewWilkes | I saw beardyman on tuesday! |
| 22:01.43 | carols | too much typing for me today |
| 22:01.48 | carols | i want a new set of hands |
| 22:03.09 | MatthewWilkes | hehehehehe |
| 22:03.10 | MatthewWilkes | oo |
| 22:03.12 | MatthewWilkes | long! |
| 22:03.44 | carols | awesome, yes? :-) |
| 22:04.40 | gevaerts | carols: â â |
| 22:04.45 | carols | :-) |
| 22:05.47 | gevaerts | gvim |
| 22:05.49 | gevaerts | hm |
| 22:06.09 | gevaerts | will need time to get used to those new window manager key bindings |
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| 23:00.31 | alfski | hi guys... I assume as long as my Melange GSoC Dashboard shows "submitted" for my Evals I can ignore the 'reminder' emails that appear to be coming out hours afterwards? |
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| 23:37.04 | carols | alfski: you shouldnt get a reminder email from melange if you've submitted properly. you should look into that |
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