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| 00:30.32 | carldani | Hi! |
| 00:31.03 | carldani | Will the "you can't store anything due to datastore breakage" cause an evaluation deadline extension? |
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| 00:32.25 | carldani | One of our mentors wanted to fill in the evaluation, but noticed the prominent warning message. He will have net access again in ~24 hours, but that's after the deadline... |
| 00:32.58 | mmadia | do you know if the melange developers are aware of this? |
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| 00:41.33 | carldani | SRabbelier: any info on melange datastore breakage vs. review deadline extension? |
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| 00:43.14 | chx | do you think there'll we a deadline extension 'cos of datastore problem with appengine? |
| 00:48.12 | carldani | chx: I already asked the same thing... but apparently Googlers are busy right now, so no answer yet. |
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| 01:04.45 | chx | yay! |
| 01:04.49 | chx | writeable again. |
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| 04:24.37 | ray24 | whats this chan about |
| 04:25.18 | Triskelios | ray24: http://lmgtfy.com?q=gsoc |
| 04:25.27 | ray24 | OhI already said that twice |
| 04:25.31 | ray24 | sorry for being repetitive |
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| 04:34.12 | alenn | what else do we need to do other than filling the form for mid-term evaluation? |
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| 04:35.33 | alenn | thanks. |
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| 08:50.06 | neXyon | hi gsocers |
| 08:50.44 | neXyon | I'm currently trying to register my card online, I still have my account from last year, shall I create a new account or can I add the card to the existing one somehow? |
| 08:51.36 | in3xes | neXyon, I don't you think you can add the card. |
| 08:51.42 | in3xes | I don't think* |
| 08:51.54 | in3xes | crap! typos :( |
| 08:51.54 | SukhE | neXyon: Create a new account. |
| 08:52.06 | neXyon | ok, thx |
| 08:54.00 | parth_ | did anybody try to call citi to raise the daily transaction limit from $400 to $1000? |
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| 08:56.24 | SukhE | parth_: Yes. If you can wait for the next payment batch (after the midterm), you can raise it to more than $1000 even. How much you can raise the limit to depends of course on how much money you have in your card ;) |
| 08:58.14 | SukhE | btw, call the Citi helpline and ask them to increase the limit, they will do it. |
| 09:01.29 | zgreg | yes, this works. I raised it to 1000 USD already. |
| 09:02.23 | parth_ | @sukhe,zgreg : thanks |
| 09:04.55 | zgreg | it was definitely quite stressful for someone like me who rarely speaks english, though :) |
| 09:05.21 | zgreg | it seems like I can write and read much better than speak |
| 09:05.57 | neXyon | funny, they say Books24x7 is available for student accounts, but any book I try to open there states "ACM Professional Membership required to read this book." -.- |
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| 09:40.31 | gsocbot | gantu: "next" is July 15th 19:00 UTC - Mid-term evaluations deadline, any evaluations missing after this deadline will cause student payment to be delayed. |
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| 10:04.21 | kai | oh, wait, I think it's called soup... |
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| 13:42.47 | Hexxeh | Do students find out whether they've passed at 19:00 UTC then? |
| 13:43.23 | chrisoelmueller | I wonder how students can be in doubt about their performance and not ask their mentor |
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| 13:46.01 | Hexxeh | I have, just never taken part in GSoC before and wondering what actually happens after that time :) |
| 13:46.16 | ojwb | I think you'll get a mail |
| 13:46.31 | ojwb | you might get many emails |
| 13:46.46 | chrisoelmueller | well, that was not directed at you in particular :) |
| 13:47.03 | ojwb | the notification system seems to send duplicates quite a lot |
| 13:47.03 | Hexxeh | Ah okay :) |
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| 14:32.25 | sumchi | when and how shall we find out the results of the evaluations? Will we get notified? |
| 14:33.22 | chrisoelmueller | I wonder how students can be in doubt about their performance and not ask their mentor |
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| 14:34.38 | chx | i am more interested in reading the students' evaluation of our mentors |
| 14:34.46 | gmcharlt | chrisoelmueller: indeed, but to be fair, a lot of people get test anxiety, or I suppose "evaluation anxiety" in this case |
| 14:37.05 | zgreg | the midterm doesn't seem to be a big deal... |
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| 14:37.34 | sumchi | that still does not answer the question :) Will students get notified or not? Or only failed ones will be notified ? |
| 14:37.49 | zgreg | I mean, if you actually did work for GSoC and your mentor saw your progress, why should you fail? |
| 14:38.59 | zgreg | just what if my mentor doesn't submit an evaluation on time? :) |
| 14:39.33 | zgreg | can mentors fail gsoc? |
| 14:39.44 | zgreg | that would be funny... |
| 14:40.10 | chrisoelmueller | funny in the sense of the student not receiving payment? |
| 14:40.12 | zgreg | my mentor is fine though |
| 14:40.43 | zgreg | yeah |
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| 14:45.49 | sumchi | zgreg: Admins of the Orgs worry about having all mentors submit on time. I don't think they can fail gsoc. But for sure google tracks all that applies for next year. In other words good performing orgs get more slots .. |
| 14:46.05 | sumchi | What I still wonder is.. do we get any notification? |
| 14:46.21 | ojwb | probably |
| 14:46.29 | ojwb | but if you want to know, just ask your mentor |
| 14:46.50 | ojwb | it's not like it's confidential information |
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| 15:00.04 | gsocbot | sfb_: "next" is July 15th 19:00 UTC - Mid-term evaluations deadline, any evaluations missing after this deadline will cause student payment to be delayed. |
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| 15:01.06 | gsocbot | kps_foo: "next" is July 15th 19:00 UTC - Mid-term evaluations deadline, any evaluations missing after this deadline will cause student payment to be delayed. |
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| 15:05.01 | DarkSector | http://goo.gl/scXUz |
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| 16:19.47 | sumanah | lh, got a moment to pm? |
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| 16:51.40 | carols | serves tea and coffee |
| 16:51.58 | sumanah | hi carols |
| 16:52.04 | carols | hi sumanah |
| 16:52.05 | sumanah | got a moment for a pm? |
| 16:52.10 | carols | sure |
| 16:52.40 | gevaerts | Yay, coffee! |
| 16:53.00 | gevaerts | could use some after spending two and a half hours on just installing grub today |
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| 16:55.50 | carols | hey gevaerts :-) |
| 16:56.55 | carols | wonders if the stragglers on evaluations will get it together in the next two hours |
| 16:57.35 | sumanah | never mind, lh |
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| 16:58.20 | chrisoelmueller | carols: heya; mind a short query? |
| 16:58.25 | chrisoelmueller | promises to be concise :) |
| 16:58.39 | carols | chrisoelmueller: sure |
| 17:03.14 | Nightrose | carols: heh i just filled out our last missing evaluation - mentor is traveling... |
| 17:03.22 | Nightrose | all 102 done now though \o/ |
| 17:03.33 | carols | Nightrose: man, thats a lot! |
| 17:03.41 | Nightrose | it is... |
| 17:03.50 | jrabbit | Nightrose: what org has that many? |
| 17:04.12 | Nightrose | jrabbit: well 51 - 2 evals for each student - and I'm with kde |
| 17:04.34 | jrabbit | ah |
| 17:05.34 | dberkholz | we got our last one in a little over an hour ago. nice to not worry about missing ones anymore |
| 17:05.48 | Nightrose | indeed |
| 17:05.55 | downeym | When are midterm results "officially" announced? |
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| 17:08.21 | downeym | carols: When are midterm results "officially" announced? |
| 17:08.35 | carols | downeym: at 19:30 UTC |
| 17:09.03 | downeym | carols: thanks! |
| 17:09.09 | carols | yw |
| 17:09.15 | DarkSector | onice 19:30 UTC |
| 17:09.32 | DarkSector | been waiting for an official answer :) |
| 17:09.39 | milki | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:09.41 | milki | next? |
| 17:09.46 | DarkSector | !next |
| 17:09.48 | gsocbot | DarkSector: "next" is July 15th 19:00 UTC - Mid-term evaluations deadline, any evaluations missing after this deadline will cause student payment to be delayed. |
| 17:09.50 | milki | o ya |
| 17:09.52 | DarkSector | :) |
| 17:09.55 | milki | >.. |
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| 17:21.19 | carols | hopes everyone is submitting their surveys now and not waiting until 18:55 like last year |
| 17:22.18 | RlyDontKnow | already submitted his some days ago |
| 17:23.05 | Ivanovic | carols: but, uhm, there are still more than 95min left! |
| 17:23.13 | Ivanovic | ^^ |
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| 17:23.42 | carols | Ivanovic: indeed. but melange is not the most stable piece of software i've ever come across and it wouldn't surprise me if something went wrong in those final minutes ;-) |
| 17:25.06 | Ivanovic | carols: nah, we are living in a perfect world where no software problems occur ever and where everybody submits stuff in time and noones homework gets eaten by the dog before submission or where you can't submit in time due to a server lag |
| 17:25.08 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 17:25.22 | carols | Ivanovic: we? obviously you mean you :-) |
| 17:25.44 | anth_x | can i come visit? |
| 17:25.49 | Ivanovic | does never "see" posts on any of the MLs saying "hey, can't you just extend the deadline for 5mins? only 5mins, i swear!" |
| 17:25.50 | carols | anth_x: visit what? |
| 17:26.07 | anth_x | Ivanovic's world. |
| 17:26.29 | Ivanovic | anth_x: and rivers consist of honey over here |
| 17:26.36 | Ivanovic | (okay, in the adult areas of mead) |
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| 17:27.10 | anth_x | mmm, honey. |
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| 17:27.47 | Ivanovic | have i mentioned the grilled chicken flying around? |
| 17:27.51 | DarthGandalf | Honey is good, but it's hard to swim in such river.. |
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| 17:28.15 | Ivanovic | DarthGandalf: but for swimming there are seas! |
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| 17:28.32 | Ivanovic | no need to use the rivers for this... |
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| 17:28.53 | DarthGandalf | Ivanovic: no rafting in seas ;) |
| 17:29.21 | Ivanovic | but rafting ain't swimming eather |
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| 17:29.36 | Ivanovic | and since mead *has* the correct consistency for this, there is no problem |
| 17:29.49 | Ivanovic | beside rafting being 16+ due to the alcohol values available |
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| 17:30.37 | anirudh24seven | having a few doubts, now that the deadline is closing in. only thing for us students to check, is that, evaluations status reads "Submitted", right? anything else to do? |
| 17:31.01 | Ivanovic | anirudh24seven: thats it |
| 17:31.08 | Ivanovic | and of course continue working on your project! |
| 17:31.10 | anirudh24seven | Ivanovic: cool. thanks. :) |
| 17:31.15 | Ivanovic | and keep communicating with your mentor |
| 17:31.16 | anirudh24seven | sure! |
| 17:31.17 | DarthGandalf | anirudh24seven: if it's not "Submitted", just checking isn't enough... You also need to submit it ;) |
| 17:31.37 | anirudh24seven | DarthGandalf: lol |
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| 17:31.49 | milki | and before you submit it, you need to write it |
| 17:32.19 | milki | and before you write it, hopefully you have been working on your project |
| 17:32.23 | Ivanovic | milki: honestly, looking at the mentor form (and assuming that the student form ain't more complex!) it should take less than 5min to fill |
| 17:32.51 | Ivanovic | milki: and if the student has not been working on the project there is no need to fill the form, since it will be a fail from the mentor anyway |
| 17:32.52 | Ivanovic | ;) |
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| 19:00.46 | in3xes | We'll get a mail we pass/fail? |
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| 19:01.43 | anth_x | i assume so. that's been the case in years past, and the reminder mails are going out the same as in those years. |
| 19:02.19 | in3xes | I guess it's time |
| 19:02.31 | bkgood | just hit submit on the eval and apparently missed it by seconds, who should I contact? |
| 19:03.37 | Ophiuchi | bkgood: carols |
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| 19:06.22 | anirudh24seven | !next |
| 19:06.24 | gsocbot | anirudh24seven: "next" is July 15th 19:00 UTC - Mid-term evaluations deadline, any evaluations missing after this deadline will cause student payment to be delayed. |
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| 19:09.05 | SRabbelier | Anyone here that can confirm the evals close? |
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| 19:09.29 | in3xes | SRabbelier, yes |
| 19:09.38 | ThFabba | Well at least it says This page is inactive before 2011-07-10 19:00:00 and after 2011-07-15 19:00:00. now |
| 19:09.43 | in3xes | There's red notice saying you can't edit |
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| 19:10.04 | SRabbelier | cool |
| 19:10.10 | sidvicious | do we get results of mid term in next 15-20 min ? |
| 19:10.26 | in3xes | may be 5? :P |
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| 19:10.44 | sidvicious | oh it was including system load :) |
| 19:10.49 | roccivic | sidvicious: we get results? what kind? |
| 19:11.00 | roccivic | or is it just a menotr kind of thing? |
| 19:11.04 | roccivic | *mentor |
| 19:11.06 | sidvicious | i meant mid term evaluation |
| 19:11.33 | roccivic | yeah, do we get some sort of stats? |
| 19:11.54 | Ophiuchi | gsocbot: learn next midterm evals time is over, on towards pencils down on August 22 19:00 UTC |
| 19:11.54 | gsocbot | Ophiuchi: (learn [<channel>] <key> as <value>) -- Associates <key> with <value>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. The word 'as' is necessary to separate the key from the value. It can be changed to another word via the learnSeparator registry value. |
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| 19:12.04 | Ophiuchi | gsocbot: learn next as midterm evals time is over, on towards pencils down on August 22 19:00 UTC |
| 19:12.05 | SRabbelier | they're beings ent now |
| 19:12.06 | gsocbot | Ophiuchi: "next" is (#1) July 15th 19:00 UTC - Mid-term evaluations deadline, any evaluations missing after this deadline will cause student payment to be delayed., or (#2) midterm evals time is over, on towards pencils down on August 22 19:00 UTC |
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| 19:12.11 | sidvicious | roccivic: mid term decides if you go ahead on project or not |
| 19:12.23 | roccivic | oh, i see |
| 19:12.25 | roccivic | thanks :) |
| 19:12.27 | sidvicious | its doesnt provide stats :) |
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| 19:12.33 | roccivic | cool |
| 19:12.54 | in3xes | waits for congratulatory mail :D |
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| 19:14.35 | Ophiuchi | gsocbot: forget next 1 |
| 19:14.36 | gsocbot | Ophiuchi: "next" is midterm evals time is over, on towards pencils down on August 22 19:00 UTC |
| 19:15.34 | Hexxeh | Aww damn, 22nd is right around the time of A2 results. Ah well. |
| 19:16.20 | Ophiuchi | A2? |
| 19:16.53 | Hexxeh | Pre-university exams in the UK |
| 19:17.01 | Hexxeh | GCSE > AS > A2 > University |
| 19:17.11 | in3xes | Yay! Got the mail |
| 19:17.24 | anirudh24seven | yay! |
| 19:17.40 | carlasouza | yay! congratulations all! |
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| 19:17.55 | SRabbelier | *waits impatiently for his email* |
| 19:17.58 | SRabbelier | I wonder if I passed! |
| 19:18.05 | SRabbelier | oh wait, that was 2 years ago :) |
| 19:18.12 | sidvicious | SRabbelier: :) |
| 19:18.30 | cvangysel | got mail too :) |
| 19:19.02 | sidvicious | passed :) i wish to others as well |
| 19:19.05 | alinrus | passed :P |
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| 19:19.14 | rszrama | bonjour |
| 19:19.14 | shana | SRabbelier: I have a problem here, a very good student in our org missed the deadline for his evaluation |
| 19:19.28 | SRabbelier | shana: that's not very smart of him :) |
| 19:19.49 | shana | it's very silly |
| 19:19.57 | alinrus | SRabbelier, weird thing, even though you changed my login email in melange my notification was sent on the old email |
| 19:20.06 | shana | he had an eye infection today and didn't make it back on time to finish it |
| 19:20.07 | anth_x | one of our students got two "you didn't pass" emails. |
| 19:20.16 | Ophiuchi | when I was a student, I never got anywhere near an opportunity like that. I didn't get to flip burgers, but wrapping chocolate christmas figures in the middle of summer isn't anything exactly nice either. After that summer job, I couldn't eat chocolate for 2 years |
| 19:20.22 | anth_x | he both failed his midterm evaluation and also hasn't submitted his own. would that be the cause? |
| 19:20.23 | scorche | SRabbelier: any chance i will be able to see the students' evaluations soon? ;) |
| 19:20.39 | gevaerts | scorche: I hope not :) |
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| 19:20.47 | SRabbelier | alinrus: It might send the emails to the address you entered in your profile |
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| 19:20.50 | shana | SRabbelier: is there anything that can be done about this? |
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| 19:21.05 | SRabbelier | anth_x: oh, that's an interesting edge case, could be |
| 19:21.26 | SRabbelier | shana: his email said to contact Carol |
| 19:21.30 | alinrus | SRabbelier, true :) |
| 19:21.30 | anth_x | (an edge i'm unhappy to find ourselves on) |
| 19:22.01 | SRabbelier | anth_x: well, you know, the fact that he didn't fill out the survey kinda confirms that you were right to fail him |
| 19:22.08 | Ophiuchi | anth_x: well, sad about the slot, but obviously your evaluation at midterm was spot on. |
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| 19:22.23 | DarkSector | I guess my mentor is sleeping |
| 19:22.36 | anth_x | sadly, it wasn't really a question. i'm pretty liberal in that regard, but nobody's heard from him in ~4 weeks, despite lots of outreach attempts. |
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| 19:24.01 | Ophiuchi | I asked "our" students for phone numbers at the start of the projects, and gave them mine, so that if anything happened to their Internet access they still had a chance to get in contact |
| 19:24.09 | redache | 5~/redraw |
| 19:24.44 | chrisoelmueller | see it as .. you can now use this energy to focus on promising to-be-contributors instead |
| 19:25.08 | anth_x | we tried phone. the *first* time he disappeared it kicked him into action. not since. |
| 19:26.06 | Ophiuchi | anth_x: he found out it was Real Work and/or found an easier summer job? |
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| 19:27.30 | anth_x | maybe. he's not said. we had a student two years ago mail his mentor ~2 weeks into the program and say "sorry, i got a job and can't work on this any more". i was irritated to have allocated a slot to him, but can understand the motivations and appreciate the honesty. this guy denies any of that - but still isn't putting in any time. |
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| 19:29.48 | SRabbelier | Failing students is hard |
| 19:30.14 | SRabbelier | We failed our first one so far with Melange, wasn't easy |
| 19:30.52 | redache | I don't understand why people apply for GSoC and then not bother doing the work |
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| 19:30.55 | Chainsaw | I've only had to fail one student. And that was student was just on the edge with the code challenge. |
| 19:31.05 | sidvicious | SRabbelier: why was he failed ? |
| 19:31.09 | Chainsaw | The best way to prevent it seems to be to have entrance exam of sorts. |
| 19:31.10 | redache | the prestige won't last if people find out you failed the project |
| 19:31.29 | SRabbelier | sidvicious: he was so far behind schedule he was basically at week 1 of his timeline |
| 19:31.39 | anth_x | i'm particularly upset because we got far fewer students this year than in the past (just 2!), so it's going to do obviously awful things to our statistics. |
| 19:31.46 | SRabbelier | trying to motivate/encourage him was burning out both his mentors |
| 19:32.12 | anth_x | SRabbelier: do you believe it was a competence or a motivation problem? |
| 19:32.13 | redache | SRabbelier: He was on week 1 of work at week 6?! |
| 19:32.14 | sidvicious | SRabbelier: sometimes happens, code stuck is bad |
| 19:32.23 | SRabbelier | redache: yeah |
| 19:32.24 | sfb | kai / kblin: ping |
| 19:32.27 | sidvicious | last gsoc i was stuck for 1 month |
| 19:32.42 | SRabbelier | anth_x: I don't know to be honest, I suspect 70/30 |
| 19:32.45 | sidvicious | and i submited my meat code just 3hrs before deadline |
| 19:32.48 | sidvicious | :D |
| 19:32.49 | redache | people who throw away opportunities like this make my head hurt |
| 19:32.57 | sidvicious | was gr8 challenge |
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| 19:33.25 | Arc | can org admins get read-only access to evaluations? |
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| 19:33.47 | Arc | i was reviewing midterm results when the interface locked me out |
| 19:33.49 | downeym | +1 |
| 19:33.55 | redache | sidvicious: But I take it in your case your mentors understood that there were problems? |
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| 19:35.13 | sidvicious | redache: there were not too many prblems |
| 19:35.25 | sidvicious | i gave my all in it, and he knew it |
| 19:35.31 | redache | yeah |
| 19:35.33 | m1k3y | i see that carol is not here |
| 19:35.34 | sidvicious | i didnt slept in nights |
| 19:35.48 | sidvicious | i didnt gave some exams as well |
| 19:35.54 | m1k3y | my evaluation result says that it was not filled on time |
| 19:35.55 | SRabbelier | Arc: deploying that code now actually |
| 19:35.56 | DarkSector | m1k3y: supp? |
| 19:36.07 | m1k3y | but my dashboard clearly shows that i did |
| 19:36.12 | SRabbelier | AppEngine sez; please to wait 1 minutes |
| 19:36.16 | Arc | SRabbelier: thanks for anticipating our needs :-) |
| 19:36.17 | DarkSector | m1k3y: maybe your mentor delayed |
| 19:36.40 | m1k3y | i am unable to contact my mentor |
| 19:36.44 | m1k3y | what to do |
| 19:36.55 | SRabbelier | Arc: that's how we roll :) |
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| 19:37.34 | SRabbelier | Arc: try... now :) |
| 19:37.47 | scorche | The requested URL /gsoc/dashboard/org/google/gsoc2011 was not found on this server. |
| 19:37.49 | scorche | ;) |
| 19:37.57 | DarkSector | m1k3y: mail carol for one atleast |
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| 19:38.01 | SRabbelier | well |
| 19:38.04 | SRabbelier | something's wrong :) |
| 19:38.14 | SRabbelier | rolls back release |
| 19:38.14 | Arc | The requested URL /gsoc/dashboard/google/gsoc2011 was not found on this server. |
| 19:38.21 | SRabbelier | oh |
| 19:38.24 | SRabbelier | I set the version as the default |
| 19:38.28 | SRabbelier | but it wasn't done deploying yet |
| 19:38.35 | m1k3y | DarkSector: im talking to my org admin, lets see what she says |
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| 19:38.43 | SRabbelier | it's been stuck at "Will check again in 60 seconds" for two minutes now |
| 19:38.44 | DarkSector | m1k3y: good luck |
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| 19:41.29 | SRabbelier | well bloody... |
| 19:41.39 | SRabbelier | AppEngine is giving me 500's while deploying |
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| 19:46.05 | hypatia | so we've had a mentor disappear and i dropped the ball on submitting the review in his place - what's my next step? |
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| 19:46.31 | SRabbelier | hypatia: corporal punishment |
| 19:46.37 | hypatia | SRabbelier: /o\ |
| 19:46.48 | SRabbelier | monty python style |
| 19:46.57 | chx | Email Carol immediately and repent your sins |
| 19:47.04 | chx | I doubt you have any other recourse. |
| 19:47.04 | SRabbelier | what chx said |
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| 19:47.09 | hypatia | ok, will do |
| 19:47.09 | rszrama | :P |
| 19:47.14 | chx | I just did that myself |
| 19:47.19 | hypatia | hangs her head in shame |
| 19:47.24 | chx | rszrama: your rights for any smiley but :( has been revoked. |
| 19:47.25 | gevaerts | hypatia: you mean to solve it, or the next step in the logical progression of mistakes? :) |
| 19:47.25 | rszrama | is it reasonable to ask a student to forego further participation in the program if he got a full-time job after finishing university for the semester late in June? |
| 19:47.31 | rszrama | :( |
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| 19:47.41 | hypatia | gevaerts: the next step to solve it |
| 19:47.50 | chx | rszrama: I already emailed Carol that I failed him |
| 19:47.55 | chx | rszrama: it is entirely reasonable. |
| 19:48.04 | Arc | chx: Carol is a her. |
| 19:48.04 | rszrama | chx: ok, thanks for taking care of that, and sorry for the mess |
| 19:48.12 | rszrama | Arc: he didn't fail Carol ;) |
| 19:48.15 | rszrama | erm |
| 19:48.16 | rszrama | :( |
| 19:48.32 | chx | Arc: what Ryan said. I have met Carol IRL btw. |
| 19:48.44 | scorche | hypatia: you need to sit down in.......THE COMFY CHAIR |
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| 19:48.59 | hypatia | scorche: my comfy chair is in storage |
| 19:49.04 | Arc | I'm an admin for an org with 36 students, and every primary mentor filled in their review by the deadline. |
| 19:49.15 | SRabbelier | lol, that actually is pretty funny rszrama, chx |
| 19:49.24 | hypatia | Arc: you are much more organized than I am |
| 19:49.28 | gevaerts | hypatia: not *that* comfy chair! |
| 19:49.40 | scorche | gevaerts: FETCH THE CUSIONS!! |
| 19:49.48 | scorche | (cushions too) |
| 19:49.49 | gevaerts | fetches the cushions |
| 19:49.51 | hypatia | is clearly missing some references |
| 19:50.02 | SRabbelier | seconds that |
| 19:50.14 | Arc | hypatia: i spent the last two weeks working with mentors/students whore were set to fail and getting the students back on track, its less an issue of organized than involved |
| 19:50.20 | gevaerts | hypatia: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnS49c9KZw8 may help |
| 19:50.33 | scorche | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSe38dzJYkY |
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| 19:50.43 | SRabbelier | Arc: whore? |
| 19:50.53 | SRabbelier | Arc: where did that extra re come from? |
| 19:50.55 | scorche | who were ;) |
| 19:51.07 | hypatia | Arc: that's pretty much the problem here, the past week life has gotten in the way :( |
| 19:51.19 | SRabbelier | aaah |
| 19:51.22 | SRabbelier | the inqusition :) |
| 19:51.26 | hypatia | Arc: we're lucky to have really great students, this was entirely a mentor/admin fail :( |
| 19:51.35 | scorche | SRabbelier: dont expect them |
| 19:51.49 | Arc | SRabbelier: re? |
| 19:52.10 | SRabbelier | you wrote 'whore were' instead of ''who were' |
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| 19:52.17 | SRabbelier | scorche: totally not expecting them |
| 19:52.33 | Arc | ah sorry, its this damned wireless keyboard |
| 19:52.37 | bloodybeet | Any student from belgium/netherlands/germany/france over here ? :-) |
| 19:52.44 | Arc | "who were" |
| 19:53.23 | Arc | i type too fast for its tiny buffer sometimes and it chops out segments :-/ in this case three specific characters |
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| 19:53.45 | crodjer | i already filled in the review for my project 2 days back, yet i recieved a mail saying "not possible to evalauate". |
| 19:54.17 | SRabbelier | just confessed |
| 19:54.46 | gevaerts | crodjer: did your mentor fill in the review on time? |
| 19:54.51 | zgreg | bloodybeet: yes |
| 19:55.12 | crodjer | gevaerts: he said that he ack'd the mails when I asked |
| 19:55.12 | Arc | hypatia: we had some pretty great students too, but some were horribly behind. |
| 19:55.22 | hypatia | Arc: that's always hard :( |
| 19:55.33 | crodjer | he must have, seems afk right now |
| 19:56.36 | gevaerts | crodjer: try to talk to the organisation admin (who can see if any evaluations are missing) |
| 19:57.40 | gevaerts | And possibly contact Carol, but maybe only when you know more. Other people can tell you more here though, i'm just extrapolating from what's been discussed earlier |
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| 19:57.47 | Arc | gevaerts: we cant yet actually because failed students are no longer shown |
| 19:57.54 | gevaerts | oh |
| 19:58.09 | SRabbelier | Arc: ah. |
| 19:58.12 | SRabbelier | madrazr: ^ |
| 19:58.31 | SRabbelier | madrazr: you were working on that right? with those nr_passed_evalutions? |
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| 19:58.51 | SRabbelier | it's live |
| 19:59.14 | crodjer | gevaerts: ahh seems the admins might have had confused about who will fill the eval :'( |
| 19:59.26 | madrazr | SRabbelier: yeah, but that code is not live yet |
| 19:59.32 | SRabbelier | madrazr: irght |
| 19:59.34 | SRabbelier | **right even |
| 19:59.56 | Arc | SRabbelier: "This page is inactive before 2011-07-11 19:00:00 and after 2011-07-15 19:00:00." |
| 20:00.08 | Arc | failed students are still not shown either |
| 20:00.23 | madrazr | Arc: yes that code is still not live yet |
| 20:00.23 | madrazr | :) |
| 20:00.33 | SRabbelier | Arc: what page is that? |
| 20:00.37 | SRabbelier | Arc: oh, the mentor page? |
| 20:00.39 | gevaerts | crodjer: then I suspect that the best course of action is that they contact Carol |
| 20:00.44 | SRabbelier | madrazr: we should change that to readonly too |
| 20:00.44 | madrazr | SRabbelier: evaluation page |
| 20:00.45 | Arc | I'm in no rush was just thinking I could hammer out my report to our bod early. I'll just go swimming instead |
| 20:00.47 | gevaerts | As soon as possibe |
| 20:00.48 | madrazr | SRabbelier: yes |
| 20:00.49 | Arc | SRabbelier: org admin dashboard |
| 20:00.53 | madrazr | I am writing a redirect for that |
| 20:00.58 | SRabbelier | madrazr: thanks |
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| 20:03.36 | crodjer | gevaerts: yeah, its really a bad time for him to go offine, I just had lots of discussion before recieving the mail. |
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| 20:17.02 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: thanks for those couple of features, they were very helpful |
| 20:17.30 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: we'll be sure to provide a r/o version of the mentor surveys too :) |
| 20:17.52 | bloodybeet | U certainly passed your midterm evaluation, SRabbelier \o/ |
| 20:18.34 | SRabbelier | woooh! \m/ o_O \m/ |
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| 20:21.16 | Nightrose | hands SRabbelier a cookie |
| 20:21.35 | Nightrose | hands madrazr a cookie too |
| 20:21.45 | SRabbelier | nom nom nom nom |
| 20:21.49 | madrazr | nom nom |
| 20:21.51 | madrazr | :) |
| 20:22.01 | madrazr | Nightrose: thank you! Was hungry :P |
| 20:22.06 | Nightrose | :P |
| 20:22.14 | anth_x | SRabbelier: our failed student no longer shows up in the admin dashboard. is that intentional? |
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| 20:22.26 | madrazr | anth_x: you will have a readonly access to it soon |
| 20:22.35 | madrazr | anth_x: to his evaluation I mean |
| 20:22.38 | anth_x | k, i'll be patient. |
| 20:22.58 | madrazr | Melange developers are not slow though ;-) |
| 20:23.34 | madrazr | 2000 commits in 2 months /me pats Melange developer's |
| 20:23.47 | madrazr | s/2 months/3 months/ |
| 20:24.04 | SRabbelier | hehe, yeah |
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| 20:56.58 | darkjames | Heh, I have got old email in profile. How melange handle delivery failed? :) |
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| 21:11.01 | LetterRip | i assume that a student who disappeared completely not filling out his review form won't reflect poorly on the organization? :) |
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| 21:11.37 | LetterRip | We had a student go 'poof' within a day of the first check arriving, which obviously we failed |
| 21:11.54 | LetterRip | but i also got reminders that the student had yet to fill out the evaluation |
| 21:11.58 | agliodbs | LetterRip: that's happened to us too. You can't screen everything |
| 21:12.01 | gevaerts | LetterRip: depends. Does the mentor evaluation say something like "I sent a hit team to him, and we didn't hear anything after that"? |
| 21:12.04 | agliodbs | LetterRip: you failed them, of course? |
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| 21:12.38 | LetterRip | gevaerts, heheh |
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| 22:08.23 | mmadia | is it possible to view the evaluations of failed students? |
| 22:08.51 | mmadia | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/eval/student/google/gsoc2011/midterm/<student>/<some_number> is giving me "This page is inactive before 2011-07-10 19:00:00 and after 2011-07-15 19:00:00." |
| 22:09.02 | gevaerts | mmadia: I understand it will be soon |
| 22:09.12 | mmadia | and same for the /mentor/ .. ah, thanks gevaerts. |
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| 22:50.33 | Ivanovic | mmadia: only the student evals are available in a readonly mode |
| 22:51.13 | Ivanovic | the failed ones: use the same url as you once used to visit the mentor evals, just make it "student/show" instead of "mentor" |
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