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| 01:19.47 | carldani | Hi! |
| 01:24.15 | solardiz | hi carldani |
| 01:24.50 | carldani | I just got a mail as org admin that one evaluation of a student project is missing, but my org admin dashboard says one mentor evaluation is missing. Which one is it? |
| 01:25.27 | carldani | And while I can push my org mentors to evaluate students, I can't push students to evaluate their mentors. |
| 01:25.45 | solardiz | why can't you push students? |
| 01:25.48 | mlankhorst | carldani: its easy, they dont get paid until they do, kinda works fast enough :p |
| 01:26.18 | chrisoelmueller | the mentor evaluation for that student's project misses i guess |
| 01:26.57 | solardiz | i'd trust info in the org admin dashboard more than the reminder emails, yes |
| 01:31.19 | ojwb | carldani: the org admin dashboard should show both mentor and student evals |
| 01:31.56 | carldani | mlankhorst: heh, very true. |
| 01:32.38 | carldani | ojwb: yes, I see both, and one evaulation under the heading "mentor evaulations" is missing |
| 01:33.01 | ojwb | like solardiz, I'd trust the list in melange over the email title |
| 01:33.30 | carldani | the strange thing is that said evaluation is clickable for me as org admin, and I can fill in questions about the student, so maybe the headings in melange are misleading... |
| 01:33.52 | chrisoelmueller | perhaps try to check the mail again, it's easy to get parts of it wrong |
| 01:33.59 | ojwb | org admins can complete evaluations |
| 01:34.05 | ojwb | in case mentors aren't available |
| 01:34.22 | carldani | apparently in melange "mentor evaluations" means "evaluations _by_ the mentor", not "evaluations _of_ the mentor" |
| 01:34.36 | chrisoelmueller | yep, that's another indication that the mail means mentor eval because you can't fill student evals on their behalf |
| 01:34.42 | ojwb | oh, i see |
| 01:34.58 | ojwb | "Mentor Evaluations" means *by* mentors, not *of* mentors |
| 01:35.03 | carldani | crap, so I have to hunt down the mentor of that project and ask him if the student succeeded/failed. |
| 01:35.37 | chrisoelmueller | actually that should have been that mentor's duty and still is :) |
| 01:35.56 | carldani | he said he had already filled that in... |
| 01:36.07 | carldani | oh well, I'll ping him to recheck. |
| 01:36.29 | whatnick | getting close to deadlines rather busy here |
| 01:38.00 | carldani | good night everyone! |
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| 03:39.30 | dennda | Why is the announcement of the project outcome 3 days after the final eval deadline? |
| 03:39.36 | dennda | can something change in between? |
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| 03:42.00 | thebolt | it needs people looking at it, and a little time to handle any problems |
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| 04:10.12 | wtachi | dennda: *if* nothing goes wrong, the announcement will happen sooner than that |
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| 06:43.39 | Nonisolable | Where is GSOC 12 going to start? |
| 06:43.43 | Nonisolable | *When |
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| 06:45.42 | mayanks43 | next february mostly (depends on google) |
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| 06:48.09 | Nonisolable | This is obviously hard to answer, but how much is "expected" from the student? |
| 06:52.01 | Catfish_Man | Nonisolable: generally speaking, it should be considered equivalent to a 3 month full time internship at a software company |
| 06:52.23 | Nonisolable | Thanks, that's what I thought |
| 06:52.58 | Catfish_Man | obviously the actual amount and difficulty of the work depends on the project and the student; some of the x264 projects are truly daunting for example ;) |
| 06:53.20 | Nonisolable | You just set a goal and once you reach it you're done right? |
| 06:53.54 | Catfish_Man | hmm, essentially. Open source organizations create lists of projects they'd like to see students do, and students write proposals to do them, or propose their own projects |
| 06:54.28 | Catfish_Man | projects can often be rescoped up or down after discussion with mentors |
| 06:55.09 | Nonisolable | I guess I really need to pick up my C skills :) |
| 06:55.53 | Catfish_Man | the best thing you can do to prep is find an organization you'd like to apply for that's participated in the past, and start working with them now. Fix a few bugs, learn some, get to know the people :) |
| 06:56.07 | Nonisolable | Yeah, that's what I was thinking of |
| 06:56.53 | Who | Catfish_Man: that's what i did , i remember i was doing junior jobs , i think i had 7-8 patches committed by the time gsoc arrived and i was selected |
| 06:57.54 | Nonisolable | I'll admit I've done pretty much nothing for open source projects =/ |
| 06:57.59 | Nonisolable | I really want that to change though |
| 06:58.39 | Who | well i would tell you one thing , don't wait till the day your C skills improved |
| 06:58.42 | Catfish_Man | Nonisolable: I sort of accidentally got involved in the adium project; ended up being a gsoc mentor three years, and getting two jobs out of it :) |
| 06:58.43 | Who | just dive in |
| 06:59.27 | Nonisolable | Good advice :) |
| 06:59.48 | Catfish_Man | nothing like real projects to teach the "why" of design principles |
| 06:59.53 | Nonisolable | Catfish_Man, not bad! I just hope I actually get in GSOC, only like 1 out of 10 get in :( |
| 07:00.26 | Catfish_Man | Nonisolable: well, you appear to be relatively sane, a clear communicator, and capable of deciding to do things on your own |
| 07:00.32 | Catfish_Man | which puts you ahead of a good 50% of students, sigh |
| 07:00.45 | Nonisolable | Ouch.... |
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| 07:01.03 | Nonisolable | Well, notice I'm asking like six months before the actually project starts :P |
| 07:01.10 | Nonisolable | Not the week before. lol |
| 07:01.15 | Catfish_Man | planning ahead too! be still my heart |
| 07:01.54 | Nonisolable | Just wondering, are we allowed to start coding on the project before it actually starts? |
| 07:02.05 | Who | you can do that if you want |
| 07:02.06 | Catfish_Man | hmm |
| 07:02.28 | Catfish_Man | I think the FAQ says no about that |
| 07:02.34 | Catfish_Man | but I don't remember for sure |
| 07:02.52 | Nonisolable | I'm reading the FAQ now and it seems to say that, but I just wanted to check |
| 07:03.06 | Who | well |
| 07:03.16 | Who | in sense when you put your code sample |
| 07:03.21 | Who | those days won't be counted |
| 07:04.16 | Nonisolable | Since I'm not getting voiced in #defocus I'll just ask here, what are some good books/sites I should check to brush up on my C skills? |
| 07:04.40 | Nonisolable | I did a bit of Java when I was like 11 or something, but not much C |
| 07:04.54 | Who | Nonisolable: well there is the C faq |
| 07:06.23 | Nonisolable | Thanks, bookmarked. Although it seems to be a more of a reminder of what you already know... I'm looking for a bit more detail |
| 07:06.44 | Nonisolable | I heard that 'The C Programming Language' (K&R) was pretty good |
| 07:06.51 | Who | it is |
| 07:07.06 | Who | but i like to learn things as i code then learn before hand |
| 07:07.57 | Catfish_Man | K&R is certainly the classic on the subject |
| 07:08.03 | Nonisolable | Same, but I don't want to spend a day trying to learn that I put the brackets in the wrong place |
| 07:08.09 | Catfish_Man | someone was asking this not that long ago... trying to remember what was recommended |
| 07:09.21 | Nonisolable | Well, I already downloaded K&R (props to Penn State's for putting that online for free). 200 pages should take me awhile |
| 07:10.58 | Nonisolable | All this talk reminds me that I really need to get a laptop so I can actually do stuff while I'm on the go |
| 07:11.02 | Nonisolable | gah |
| 07:11.24 | Nonisolable | well, I guess I know where my GSOC money is going if I get in ;) |
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| 07:20.22 | Catfish_Man | anyway, 'night folks |
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| 07:20.37 | Nonisolable | Night |
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| 07:37.40 | kai | Nonisolable: so from my experience doing GSoC 2005 as a student is that you only really learn a language once you start using it for real projects |
| 07:38.22 | Who | kai: that's really correct , i thought i knew how to code |
| 07:38.35 | Who | but when i started coding for gsoc , i found so many holes in my coding |
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| 07:38.52 | Nonisolable | Any projects you guys think I should start working on? |
| 07:39.06 | Nonisolable | (I mean like now) |
| 07:39.08 | Ivanovic | Nonisolable: anything you have fun with |
| 07:39.15 | kai | just my feeling, yes. I had read a couple of books on programming C and done all the exercises, so I thought I really knew my C |
| 07:39.25 | Ivanovic | Nonisolable: yeah, most open source projects do welcome contributors with open arms |
| 07:39.30 | kai | how wrong that was :) |
| 07:40.00 | Ivanovic | Nonisolable: so if you like one project but see some specific flaw or missing feature (for you): ask them how you can help fixing this one and where to best get started |
| 07:40.04 | kai | Nonisolable: what are you interested in doing? |
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| 07:40.20 | Nonisolable | kai, just about anything, that's the issue. :P |
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| 07:40.30 | Who | kai: same , i felt i didn't know anything , it was kinda terrible and funny at same time |
| 07:41.14 | Nonisolable | I think once schools starts up I'll have tons of time for coding :) |
| 07:41.42 | kai | Nonisolable: you could look over the list of mentoring orgs from this year and see if anything specific sounds intersting |
| 07:42.13 | Nonisolable | kai, I've been doing that, but how can I actually find out if they've been done already or not? |
| 07:43.08 | kai | well, you could ask the project's community :) |
| 07:43.15 | Nonisolable | I have like an hour long drive each way, so throughout the school year I'll have over 300 hours to get stuff done :) |
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| 07:46.05 | Nonisolable | Well, it's getting late. Thanks for all the help guys, see you tomorrow! :) |
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| 11:40.20 | akashm1990 | !countdown |
| 11:40.23 | gsocbot | akashm1990: "countdown" is For a countdown for the firm 'pencils down' date : http://goo.gl/jsOCC |
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| 12:23.43 | MatthewWilkes | scorche: scorche|sh ping? |
| 12:24.07 | scorche|sh | i was going to respond on twitter, but hi ;) |
| 12:24.27 | MatthewWilkes | I got impatient / scared of 1 hour lag again :) |
| 12:26.01 | MatthewWilkes | scorche|sh: So, you're around? |
| 12:26.13 | scorche|sh | yup |
| 12:26.15 | MatthewWilkes | I'm not in work today, if you fancied meeting up |
| 12:26.20 | scorche|sh | doing anything tonight? |
| 12:27.26 | MatthewWilkes | Tonight I'm going to a Brazilian place ( http://guanabara.co.uk/ ) for a friend's birthday, but sure you'd be welcome to come along, the more the merrier etc |
| 12:28.37 | scorche|sh | ah - i already have plans, actually - was going to see if you wanted to come along ;) |
| 12:29.23 | scorche|sh | i and a few of other rockbox folk (including gevaerts, unfortunately) are planning on doing what we call "DevConPub" at around 5:00 on |
| 12:29.35 | MatthewWilkes | hehe |
| 12:30.21 | MatthewWilkes | scorche|sh: What is this, then? |
| 12:31.26 | scorche|sh | the name is somewhat misleading - not so much of a "developer conference" - much more of "pub" ;) |
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| 12:33.17 | MatthewWilkes | scorche|sh: Iiiinteresting, well, I can swing by for a couple of hours at least |
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| 12:33.20 | MatthewWilkes | scorche|sh: Where? |
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| 12:35.41 | scorche|sh | MatthewWilkes: "The Rake" in Borough Market |
| 12:37.00 | scorche|sh | http://www.utobeer.co.uk/contactus_rake.html |
| 12:37.35 | MatthewWilkes | aaargh, wordart! |
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| 12:38.01 | MatthewWilkes | I don't know the one, but borough market's not very big, I'll find it |
| 12:38.08 | scorche|sh | they have good beer though! |
| 12:55.58 | dberkholz | i'm an admin and don't seem to have access to my student evals |
| 12:56.10 | dberkholz | is that a known thing? |
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| 12:58.36 | scorche|sh | dberkholz: unsure if it is known, but none of us do |
| 12:58.43 | Ivanovic | dberkholz: this is normal |
| 12:58.48 | Ivanovic | dberkholz: was the same with midterm |
| 12:59.02 | Ivanovic | the evals were only available to admins after the submissions were closed |
| 12:59.52 | Ivanovic | <speculation>maybe to make sure that the admins/mentors don't judge the student based on negative comments in the students evals</speculate> |
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| 13:00.06 | dberkholz | the mentors shouldn't be able to see it anyway |
| 13:00.15 | dberkholz | and if admins can see midterms now, they could still judge based on those |
| 13:01.24 | Ivanovic | yes, but they can't tell the mentors to fail the mid terms based on the students mid term evals and they can't tell the mentors to fail the students finals based on the students final evals |
| 13:02.04 | Ivanovic | and if the feedback from the student is very negative at mid term it might be likely that the student exits the project then |
| 13:02.22 | Ivanovic | but this way the student can at least get the mid term payment in case the mentoring org thinks the work done was okay |
| 13:02.25 | dberkholz | i think you probably should have left that <speculation> tag open |
| 13:03.00 | DarthGandalf | Ivanovic: wrong tag closed :P |
| 13:03.01 | Ivanovic | at least something along those lines could be a reason for not showing the evals right from the start |
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| 13:04.21 | Ivanovic | </speculation> |
| 13:04.24 | Ivanovic | DarthGandalf: better? |
| 13:04.33 | Ivanovic | and now it somehow should fit for dberkholz, too |
| 13:05.01 | Ivanovic | though the integrated parser might complain about some closing tag without seeing the opening, but this can also be implemented as plain warning... |
| 13:05.03 | Ivanovic | ;) |
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| 13:19.02 | kai | Ivanovic: I think this is a very unlikely scenario |
| 13:19.35 | Ivanovic | kai: but i don't see any other reasoning for only allowing admins access once all evals are final |
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| 13:21.17 | kai | right |
| 13:21.51 | kai | but I still don't see it come up |
| 13:22.38 | kai | so far I've not seen many overly negative reviews from students. even the ones that we had to fail usually saw the error of their ways |
| 13:22.55 | Ivanovic | jepp |
| 13:24.45 | dberkholz | i asked over in #melange, maybe that will clear things up. |
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| 14:56.40 | akashm1990 | is away: I'm away |
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| 15:05.33 | carols | gets some coffee |
| 15:05.38 | carols | its going to be one of those days |
| 15:07.00 | kai | !this cookie | carols |
| 15:07.01 | gsocbot | carols: "this cookie" is for you |
| 15:07.03 | mlankhorst | 2 of my students prefer their money goes to me? :P |
| 15:08.09 | carols | thanks kai :-) |
| 15:08.22 | carols | mlankhorst: oh really? good job mentoring then :-) |
| 15:08.30 | mlankhorst | nah they dont fill in last evaluations |
| 15:08.32 | mlankhorst | :P |
| 15:08.48 | mlankhorst | and as admin i get the automated mail bugging them |
| 15:08.54 | carols | mlankhorst: ah, well, we could maybe arrange that :-P |
| 15:10.20 | mlankhorst | maybe add a time based incentive? 2000 - (t^2) for t = days late |
| 15:10.34 | kai | yay, I'm all green as of three minutes ago |
| 15:11.03 | carols | kai: green is a good color to be :-) |
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| 15:11.19 | kai | unless it's from nausea :) |
| 15:12.17 | carols | why is making coffee such a….messy endeavor? |
| 15:13.48 | mlankhorst | you need a device to do it for you ;) |
| 15:13.56 | kai | ooh, look who's got a unicode … |
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| 15:14.05 | carols | mlankhorst: it doesn't seem to make the coffee as well when i do it in a coffee machine :-( |
| 15:14.31 | kai | you need a robot that makes coffee just like you make it |
| 15:14.40 | carols | kai: seriously! |
| 15:14.47 | carols | how do i acquire one of these? |
| 15:15.02 | kai | it's actually amazing google doesn't have those already... |
| 15:15.59 | kai | carols: no idea, I've been trying to convince my girlfriend to build all sorts of cool robots, but so far I'm out of luck |
| 15:16.28 | kai | what's the point in living with a robotics engineer if you don't get robots, I'd like to know |
| 15:16.47 | kai | ok, interesting dinner conversations, there's that |
| 15:16.55 | kai | and probably a list of other things |
| 15:17.02 | downeym | sniffs around for spare caffeine |
| 15:17.10 | carols | seriously. we need more robots. |
| 15:17.12 | kai | but it'd be much cooler if that list included custom-built robots |
| 15:17.19 | carols | offers up some more coffee :-) |
| 15:17.22 | carols | have at it downeym |
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| 15:39.26 | mlankhorst | carols: coffee needs love :) |
| 15:40.15 | carols | mlankhorst: you want more or just different kinds? :-) |
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| 15:44.56 | mlankhorst | needs to be made with love |
| 15:48.14 | carols | ah, i see! yes, it does need to be made with love |
| 15:51.32 | Who | you guys seem to coffee experts |
| 15:51.44 | Who | is there a secret way to make a good coffee ? |
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| 15:53.36 | carols | Who: use good beans |
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| 15:54.15 | carols | and if you're talking about espresso, that's a different animal than, say, drip coffee. |
| 15:54.25 | Who | hmm |
| 15:56.05 | Jeff_S | good beans, fresh ground in a good grinder, and use appropriate water temp (most machines are not near hot enough) |
| 15:56.38 | Jeff_S | spends far too much time at coffeegeek.com :) |
| 15:56.46 | neverpanic | I've seen a pretty detailed talk on that two years ago I think. Unfortunately for most of you, it was german. |
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| 15:58.57 | neverpanic | I can get you the link if anyone is interested, though |
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| 16:03.06 | Arc | is there a way for an org admin to change the mentor for a student? i seem to have lost that ability |
| 16:03.12 | Arc | we need to switch in a comentor so he can fill out a final eval |
| 16:03.32 | carols | Arc: it should be a drop down on the project page? |
| 16:03.44 | Arc | nope. the project page is frozen. |
| 16:03.57 | carols | Arc: then #melange :-) |
| 16:04.04 | Arc | I did :-) thanks |
| 16:04.26 | Arc | we may have a few of these to do, but thankfully i have backups for every student |
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| 16:06.14 | carols | Arc: cool :-) |
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| 16:12.10 | hfhhg | !logs |
| 16:12.11 | gsocbot | hfhhg: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
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| 16:15.13 | MatthewWilks | scorche: djd yoh say 1700 or 1800? |
| 16:15.28 | MatthewWilks | damn keyboard.. |
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| 16:24.03 | SrishAkaTux | !next |
| 16:24.05 | gsocbot | SrishAkaTux: "next" is Final evaluations are now available to fill in - you can modify them until August 26 19:00UTC |
| 16:24.59 | Ophiuchi | all my 'charges' have filled their evaluations, hurray |
| 16:27.32 | Ophiuchi | will the student evaluations be made available to org admins eventually? |
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| 16:30.10 | abhinav- | Ophiuchi: yaay :) |
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| 16:38.34 | c0smikdebris | i got a mail yesterday, telling me i hadn't completed my evaluation but i'd finished it a few days back. should i ignore it? |
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| 16:40.03 | c0smikdebris | carols: ping |
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| 16:45.17 | stpere | carols: hi |
| 16:45.58 | stpere | I do have a quick question (again..) |
| 16:46.21 | stpere | what are the consequences of paying my plane tickets in CAD rather than USD.. |
| 16:46.42 | stpere | will it cause issues with the PO..? |
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| 16:57.10 | agliodbs | carols: I'm not quite clear. do I just make a normal reservation with the hotel? |
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| 17:04.27 | carols_ | sigh, left IRC on at home |
| 17:04.34 | kblin | stpere: my experience is that it won't, I've been providing the exchange rate on the day of purchase and billed the appropriate amount in USD |
| 17:04.46 | agliodbs | hey, carols_ |
| 17:04.50 | carols_ | hey agliodbs |
| 17:04.55 | agliodbs | so I'm the only PG mentor for the summit this year |
| 17:05.01 | agliodbs | how should I make my hotel reservation? |
| 17:05.05 | kblin | c0smikdebris: well, does melange list it as finished? |
| 17:05.08 | carols_ | agliodbs: via the link from the email |
| 17:05.18 | kblin | agliodbs: I think it's described in carols' email |
| 17:05.27 | agliodbs | carols_: yeah, but how do I arrange to split a room? |
| 17:05.43 | carols_ | agliodbs: split? i don't understand. you said you were the only one coming from your org? |
| 17:06.13 | agliodbs | yeah |
| 17:06.19 | agliodbs | usually you put us two to a room though |
| 17:06.39 | carols_ | oh, no. everyone gets their own hotel room |
| 17:06.45 | carols_ | that was the case last year, too |
| 17:07.15 | agliodbs | ah, ok |
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| 17:08.40 | carols_ | :-) |
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| 17:10.00 | Ophiuchi | if Google were collecting ideas for novel events to run, a 'small teams' event could be interesting |
| 17:10.20 | agliodbs | carols_: do I just select "pay by company"? |
| 17:10.26 | carols_ | agliodbs: yes |
| 17:10.51 | carols_ | Ophiuchi: our team runs a bunch of conference throughout the year for various organizations - is that what you mean? |
| 17:11.25 | agliodbs | carols_: done, thanks |
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| 17:11.28 | carols_ | yw |
| 17:11.32 | carols_ | glad you'll be coming :-) |
| 17:11.54 | agliodbs | carols_: I'll stay at the WP friday & sat in order to avoid the early morning drive |
| 17:11.54 | chx | carols_: hi |
| 17:12.01 | chx | carols_: may i have a word with you in private? |
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| 17:12.09 | carols_ | chx: sure |
| 17:12.19 | agliodbs | carols_: well, I didn't think that *not* coming was an option without a really good schedule conflict |
| 17:12.28 | carols_ | agliodbs: i agree! :-) |
| 17:13.55 | agliodbs | it's not like I need to fly in from another continent |
| 17:16.38 | Ophiuchi | carols: GSoC has "single student" as participant in the rules, as does GCI as far as I remember. Either of those allowing 2-3 students or pupils to band together could be worth an experiment (small scale first, of course) |
| 17:17.15 | carols_ | Ophiuchi: ah! i see what you mean |
| 17:17.19 | c0smikdebris | kblin: it says "Submitted" |
| 17:17.23 | carols_ | yeah, maybe something to try at some point |
| 17:17.44 | agliodbs | I'd suggest doing it with only a very few teams, like 2 or 3 |
| 17:17.53 | Ophiuchi | all in the name of teaching cooperation and communication ;-P |
| 17:18.05 | agliodbs | managing single students is hard enough |
| 17:18.39 | c0smikdebris | carols_: do you have a minute? can i PM? |
| 17:18.55 | carols_ | c0smikdebris: sure |
| 17:19.08 | Ophiuchi | agliodbs: you could also take out some of the heat by making it a "for the honor - and the t-shirt" event :-P |
| 17:19.52 | agliodbs | Ophiuchi: I doubt students could afford that |
| 17:20.08 | agliodbs | Ophiuchi: I suggest putting this on the agenda at the mentor summit. will you be there? |
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| 17:21.17 | Ophiuchi | agliodbs: sorry, no. 11 hours flight to where I would be a jetlagged zombie for two days before flying back just doesn't make sense, and I can't stay away from work for long enough to get that effect. |
| 17:21.34 | Ophiuchi | to NOT get that effect |
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| 17:22.08 | hiemanshu | c0smikdebris: around? |
| 17:22.19 | agliodbs | Ophiuchi: don't like flying much, eh? |
| 17:22.20 | c0smikdebris | hiemanshu: hi |
| 17:22.32 | agliodbs | is flying for 19 hours in about a month |
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| 17:22.58 | Ophiuchi | agliodbs: it leaves me tired and annoyed. People avoid me when I'm annoyed :) I guess they have reason. |
| 17:23.37 | agliodbs | well, I'd be happy to bring it up at the summit, but since I don't have a candidate team, it'd be kinda uselessly theoretical |
| 17:23.52 | Ophiuchi | agliodbs: the larger issue, really, is that I don't function well on insufficent sleep |
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| 17:37.11 | c0smikdebris | i got a mail yesterday, telling me i hadn't completed my evaluation but i'd finished it a few days back. should i ignore it? |
| 17:38.19 | LetterRip | quick question - one of our students left on 3 week vacation right after pencils down |
| 17:38.39 | LetterRip | so he hasn't filled out his mentor report yet, and haven't been able to reach him via email |
| 17:39.14 | LetterRip | er mentor evailuation |
| 17:39.20 | LetterRip | not mentor report |
| 17:40.11 | LetterRip | i've been trying alternative contact methods but so far no luck |
| 17:41.21 | carols_ | c0smikdebris: does it say submitted for the evaluation on your dashboard? |
| 17:41.30 | carols_ | LetterRip: fill in the evaluation for him |
| 17:41.39 | c0smikdebris | carols_: it does |
| 17:41.45 | carols_ | c0smikdebris: then your'e fine |
| 17:41.50 | c0smikdebris | cool |
| 17:41.52 | LetterRip | carols_ ah didn't realise i could do that for students |
| 17:42.04 | carols_ | LetterRip: oh, sorry. i misunderstood. this is a student? |
| 17:42.08 | LetterRip | yes |
| 17:42.22 | carols_ | LetterRip: well, he's going to fail if doesn't submit the evaluation on time |
| 17:42.34 | LetterRip | yikes! |
| 17:43.32 | carols_ | yeah |
| 17:45.02 | LetterRip | ok we will tweet, facebook etc and hopefully someone will find him in time |
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| 17:45.27 | LetterRip | had no idea that would happen |
| 17:45.59 | carols_ | LetterRip: he's also been sent three reminder emails from melange about it |
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| 17:47.39 | LetterRip | i know but he left right before the emails started |
| 17:47.41 | LetterRip | apparently |
| 17:48.03 | LetterRip | and i don't think he checked the emails since then |
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| 17:48.41 | carols_ | well, there's also the timeline which has been posted since March. and the reminder email I sent to the students list three weeks ago, and then the one last week to the students list as well... |
| 17:48.45 | agliodbs | yaaay! |
| 17:48.48 | agliodbs | all evaluations in |
| 17:48.51 | agliodbs | nobody late |
| 17:49.39 | carols_ | glad to hear it agliodbs :-) |
| 17:50.18 | Arc | carols_: we have a bit of a situation, can i take this to pvt? |
| 17:50.19 | agliodbs | carols_: I think this is our first year for that |
| 17:50.34 | agliodbs | happy to NOT be one of your headaches this time |
| 17:50.41 | carols_ | Arc: sure |
| 17:50.42 | LetterRip | carols_ sure i understand - personally i had no idea that the penality would be that severe.... anywho will do what i can to contact him |
| 17:50.52 | carols_ | LetterRip: thanks |
| 17:50.57 | carols_ | agliodbs: hehe me too :-) |
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| 17:52.04 | akshayagarwal | !next |
| 17:52.05 | gsocbot | akshayagarwal: "next" is Final evaluations are now available to fill in - you can modify them until August 26 19:00UTC |
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| 18:00.52 | carols_ | hopes the last straggling mentors and students who haven't submitted evals pull it together in the next hour |
| 18:02.47 | downeym | double checks |
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| 18:07.42 | agliodbs | bets that many of them won't |
| 18:10.21 | carols_ | agliodbs: yes, well, hope springs eternal in my case. :-/ |
| 18:10.42 | carols_ | since every one of them that doesn't means x3 the amount of work for me |
| 18:10.43 | chrisoelmueller | given the amount of work it took to get three mentor evals together, i don't even want to imagine what this must look like for larger orgs. i sympathize with you :-) |
| 18:10.46 | downeym | optimism: heck yeah! |
| 18:10.52 | chrisoelmueller | three students were no problem, interestingly |
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| 18:12.23 | agliodbs | carols_: I'd suggest nagging, but it's a bit late for that ... |
| 18:12.43 | carols_ | agliodbs: well, they've had three reminder emails this week already. |
| 18:12.48 | carols_ | if that doesn't do it, nothing will. |
| 18:13.31 | downeym | i artificially shortened the deadline to end of monday. :) |
| 18:13.46 | agliodbs | carols_: I don't know if it's just me, but the changes to the GSOC lists this year have made it a lot easier to miss your emails |
| 18:14.00 | agliodbs | fortunately I have calendar software ... |
| 18:14.07 | carols_ | agliodbs: yeah? how so? i'm very curious. |
| 18:14.17 | carols_ | downeym: good job :-) |
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| 18:14.33 | agliodbs | well, there's more lists, and I wasn't automatically subscribed to most of them |
| 18:14.46 | downeym | carols_: since no one really reads the FAQ's i got away with it. |
| 18:15.08 | agliodbs | it's probably more of an "old mentor" thing: I had filters set up for how the lists used to work |
| 18:15.24 | agliodbs | and those filters are all broken now, and I didn't bother to fix them |
| 18:15.31 | carols_ | agliodbs: i see. |
| 18:17.50 | agliodbs | it's the new mentors you need to worry more about |
| 18:18.06 | agliodbs | since I know the schedule regardless of whether or not I read your email |
| 18:18.17 | carols_ | yeah, we'll see what they have to say at the summit about their experience |
| 18:18.21 | downeym | "Matches: from:(carols) subject:([Announce]) Do this: Star it" is a pretty good filter :) |
| 18:20.00 | carols_ | i did integrate the [announce] on all of my email subjects this year as requested at last year's summit |
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| 18:39.59 | shadeslayer | carols_: carols seems like my tax and enrollment forms have been deleted |
| 18:40.25 | carols_ | shadeslayer: you would have received an email from me if you were in this situation |
| 18:40.33 | carols_ | can you check that you did? |
| 18:40.58 | shadeslayer | carols_: yes, but that was just for final term evaluation |
| 18:41.10 | carols_ | shadeslayer: there would have been a separate email from me about the forms. |
| 18:41.11 | shadeslayer | and the last time i checked both of those documents were in the system |
| 18:41.16 | carols_ | i can send it again if you'd like. |
| 18:41.23 | shadeslayer | searches |
| 18:41.56 | shadeslayer | carols_: i don't have any such email |
| 18:42.07 | carols_ | please email me in that case and ill resend it |
| 18:42.08 | siddvicious | carols_: hiya :) , we will know results today ? |
| 18:42.26 | carols_ | siddvicious: you'll be sent an email after the evaluation window closes just as you were at the midterms |
| 18:43.10 | shadeslayer | ok done |
| 18:43.10 | LetterRip | carols_ he was in a nature park in africa - but fortunately has made it back with half an hour to spare :) |
| 18:43.17 | carols_ | LetterRip: awesome! |
| 18:43.18 | carols_ | glad to hear it |
| 18:43.33 | LetterRip | me too, would have felt aweful if he failed after all the hard work he has put it |
| 18:43.51 | siddvicious | carols_: ok thanks :) |
| 18:44.06 | carols_ | yw :-) |
| 18:44.30 | shadeslayer | good thing i checked the site to see if everything was in order from my side :P |
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| 18:45.13 | twinggy | !logs |
| 18:45.14 | gsocbot | twinggy: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
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| 18:51.05 | shadeslayer | carols_: interestingly, it seems they got deleted again because you confirmed that you could download the documents |
| 18:51.27 | carols_ | shadeslayer: yes, it was a bug in melange. |
| 18:51.35 | carols_ | you'll need to resubmit them as requested in the email. |
| 18:51.59 | shadeslayer | yep doing that ... but it won't work :p |
| 18:52.15 | carols_ | shadeslayer: please contact the #melange team |
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| 19:02.32 | twinggy | anyone got the mail? |
| 19:03.23 | carols_ | twinggy: patience :-) |
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| 19:03.27 | zgreg_ | ah yes... final eval time? |
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| 19:04.32 | abhinav- | twinggy: yup |
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| 19:05.23 | twinggy | abhinav-: really? Cool! I'm still waiting |
| 19:06.09 | abhinav- | twinggy: yeah. sure you will get it. :) |
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| 19:08.37 | twinggy | carols_: :-) |
| 19:12.28 | rrix | woohoo.... had a mentor that said they did their review but it looks as though they did not.. |
| 19:12.58 | siddvicious | rrix: hiya :) |
| 19:13.08 | rrix | hi siddvicious |
| 19:13.55 | ThomasWaldmann | mails coming :) |
| 19:14.19 | siddvicious | passed :) |
| 19:14.28 | zgreg_ | same here |
| 19:14.31 | rrix | carols_: we are able to unlock reviews after this deadline, correct? |
| 19:14.48 | zgreg_ | but anything else would have been surprising |
| 19:14.48 | carols_ | rrix: unlock? we're able to manually change a grade, is that what you mean? |
| 19:15.15 | rrix | i need to do a mentor review since the mentor did not |
| 19:15.25 | carols_ | rrix: please email me |
| 19:15.34 | rrix | ok, thank you l) |
| 19:15.36 | rrix | :) |
| 19:17.22 | tamara | hey people are we not supposed to get mails today? |
| 19:17.34 | trions | tamara: you will shortly |
| 19:17.58 | tamara | trions ok, anxiety kicked in, so I had to ask. thanks |
| 19:18.48 | siddvicious | tamara: hiya :D |
| 19:18.54 | ThomasWaldmann | "Don't panic!" (tm) |
| 19:19.36 | siddvicious | ThomasWaldmann: ph33r (tm) |
| 19:19.41 | siddvicious | :) |
| 19:19.42 | tamara | siddvicious hello :) |
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| 19:22.57 | trions | Students who use their GSoC projects for thier university credits do not do any work during the time allocated by university? Just curious. Since they have already done during GSoC perdiod. I am asking because I am thinking whether I should plan on something new or use this one and take a break next semester. |
| 19:23.25 | springmeyer | hi there, I realize I am 22 minutes late for the mentor eval, but I am trying to submit it on melange |
| 19:23.36 | springmeyer | I'm getting "ALERT: No evaluation record exists." when I click on the eval form |
| 19:23.50 | springmeyer | what I can do to try to complete the evaluation? |
| 19:24.20 | Nightrose | springmeyer: bow in shame before carols_ and hope she'll deal with it |
| 19:24.23 | Nightrose | ;-) |
| 19:24.31 | carols_ | Nightrose: thank you. |
| 19:24.37 | springmeyer | carols: yes |
| 19:24.42 | springmeyer | bowing |
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| 19:25.19 | Nightrose | carols_: heh it's the least i can do now that my busy part is over... |
| 19:25.41 | carols_ | Nightrose: how is everything going this year? |
| 19:25.49 | carols_ | or how *did everything go? |
| 19:26.22 | springmeyer | carols_: I'm sorry about this, what is the possible ways to get this potentially rectified? |
| 19:26.37 | rrix | awesome, i cant get in to melange because my google accojnt got disabled? |
| 19:26.41 | carols_ | springmeyer: please email me. |
| 19:26.43 | Nightrose | carols_: i'm very happy - only 3 fails and i'm still waiting for the season of kde evaluations to come in in the next week |
| 19:26.44 | carols_ | and send chocolate. |
| 19:26.51 | carols_ | Nightrose: great news :-) |
| 19:26.57 | springmeyer | carols: okay, thank you |
| 19:27.11 | Nightrose | carols_: unfortunately that means i'll have to write like 5 articles for our news page detailing all projects ;-) |
| 19:27.16 | springmeyer | carols: email will come from "Dane Springmeyer" shortly |
| 19:27.20 | Nightrose | hope i'll not have to do that alone |
| 19:27.42 | carols_ | Nightrose: yes, but people will be happy to read it :-) |
| 19:27.43 | rrix | ... terms of service violations? wtf |
| 19:27.56 | Nightrose | heh they sure will |
| 19:27.58 | Nightrose | rrix: :/ |
| 19:28.03 | rrix | throws his guitar |
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| 19:38.26 | springmeyer | carols_: email sent to you |
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| 19:47.45 | twinggy | carols_: are the University-wise statistics available for this year? |
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| 19:48.09 | yeskarthik | !next |
| 19:48.10 | gsocbot | yeskarthik: "next" is Final evaluations are now available to fill in - you can modify them until August 26 19:00UTC |
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| 19:50.59 | Mathieu_Du | Hi ! did everyone get his feedback from gsoc ? |
| 19:51.33 | Mathieu_Du | cause a friend of mine had a mail saying he succeeded, I'd like to have one too :) |
| 19:51.53 | rrix | Be patient, they're working their way to peoples' inbox |
| 19:52.53 | Mathieu_Du | rrix tnx :) |
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| 20:08.26 | Hexxeh | schweet! payment just arrived on my card, that was quick! |
| 20:08.39 | rrix | carols_: Thank ya for the quick help on that :) |
| 20:08.47 | carols_ | rrix: yw |
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| 20:11.31 | redheadphones | wow, payment dispersal is speedy |
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| 20:13.57 | springmeyer | carols_: chocolate address? (serious) |
| 20:14.03 | carols_ | springmeyer: already sent. |
| 20:14.28 | springmeyer | ah, thx! |
| 20:15.07 | springmeyer | now, decisively sweet or savory? (I have good options) |
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| 20:16.50 | carols_ | springmeyer: how about both? :-) embrace the power of "and" I say |
| 20:17.17 | springmeyer | perfect |
| 20:20.41 | viranch | carols_: awesome job! |
| 20:20.48 | carols_ | viranch: on what? :-) |
| 20:21.45 | viranch | carols_: the gsoc on the whole :-) |
| 20:22.03 | carols_ | viranch: thanks very much. :-) |
| 20:22.30 | aakriti | carols_: Big hug from me :) |
| 20:22.36 | carols_ | thanks aakriti |
| 20:22.37 | carols_ | :-) |
| 20:22.43 | carols_ | hugs back to you |
| 20:22.48 | aakriti | :) |
| 20:23.17 | Who | nice work :) |
| 20:24.42 | carols_ | thanks Who :-) |
| 20:25.36 | akshayagarwal | carols: you have done a super awesome job, 1100 students, 170 orgs, only 1 Carols |
| 20:25.55 | aakriti | akshayagarwal: +1 |
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| 20:26.38 | Genghiz | :D |
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| 20:27.42 | ahel | ty carols_:) |
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| 20:27.46 | carols_ | ahel: yw |
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| 20:29.18 | mertyz | carols_: Thanks for everything, you are an awesome coordinator! |
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| 20:29.42 | carols_ | mertyz: you're quite welcome, thank you :-) |
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| 20:30.21 | akshayagarwal | wishes @carols_ would accepy his thanks too |
| 20:30.34 | akshayagarwal | *accept |
| 20:30.36 | carols_ | you're quite welcome akshayagarwal |
| 20:30.47 | carols_ | i'm currently trying to field questions from about 20 students and 30 mentors about finals |
| 20:30.51 | carols_ | so im a little busy :-) |
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| 20:31.07 | Genghiz | :D |
| 20:31.12 | Genghiz | kitallis, hello there :P |
| 20:31.20 | kitallis | hey Genghiz |
| 20:31.35 | kitallis | do I know you from another channel? |
| 20:31.36 | carols_ | it's actually 175 org and 1115 students |
| 20:32.26 | akshayagarwal | @carols_: so it becomes even more awesome! :D |
| 20:32.39 | carols_ | akshayagarwal: indeed it does :-) |
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| 20:54.03 | carols_ | cracks open a bottle of champagne for those who are old enough to drink it |
| 20:54.09 | carols_ | another successful gsoc down |
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| 20:54.28 | carols_ | pulls up a seat on the open source couch |
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| 20:55.34 | |Kev| | I think I've just given up on getting to the summit this year, things got terribly complicated trying to arrange things. Next year I'll have to start planning earlier :) |
| 20:56.12 | carols_ | |Kev|: sorry to hear that |
| 20:56.39 | |Kev| | I've not managed to get myself in gear enough to make one yet. I'm sure the anticipation will make it better when I eventually gain competence :) |
| 20:58.04 | carols_ | |Kev|: that sounds like a personal problem :-) |
| 20:58.54 | |Kev| | Certainly, most things in (my) life are my fault :) |
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| 21:04.26 | redheadphones | disregards champagne, acquires whiskey |
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| 21:09.30 | Who | carols_: just a small question , i have made the diff now but since i had exams at that time , i had pushed some code at 11th may & 12th may after that i have pushed all my code from 30th and beyond , so if that's in diff is it a problem ? |
| 21:09.42 | carols_ | Who: that's fine. |
| 21:09.59 | Who | thanks |
| 21:10.06 | Who | and finally gsoc is over :) |
| 21:11.13 | Redache | A nice end to a good summer :) |
| 21:11.55 | Who | yeah |
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| 21:17.33 | dapurv5 | hey is there anyone here who worked for Globus this year? |
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| 21:24.54 | chrisoelmueller | carols_: just .. thanks for everything you've done and will still do. been an awesome time for us and i believe that you most deserve that champagne :) |
| 21:25.16 | carols_ | chrisoelmueller: you're very kind, thank you. likewise :-) |
| 21:25.28 | carols_ | we can't run the program without the mentors and students :-) |
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| 21:26.41 | dapurv5 | carols_: thanks for everything, can I ask for a favor? |
| 21:26.55 | carols_ | dapurv5: sure |
| 21:27.44 | dapurv5 | initially at the beginning of the program I had asked for a certificate that I would be participating in the program, the format was given on the FAQ page |
| 21:27.50 | dapurv5 | there was one problem with it |
| 21:28.30 | dapurv5 | can you print the text which is aligned to both left and right margins |
| 21:28.37 | carols_ | dapurv5: please email me |
| 21:29.00 | dapurv5 | ok sure I will, thanks |
| 21:29.06 | carols_ | yw |
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| 21:56.07 | Kulik | amazing program, thanks goes to everyone involved :) great summer, even though a large portion of it was spent indoors ;-) |
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| 23:17.26 | Catfish_Man | none I'm aware of to both questions |
| 23:18.53 | aoaoa | thank you |
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