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| 04:32.27 | nafcool | any KDE ADmins here? |
| 04:38.17 | nafcool | any KDE admins here? |
| 04:39.01 | jacktheripper | why do you need them here ? #kde-soc |
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| 04:58.54 | laurion | ajs, so what do you think happens now |
| 04:59.10 | ajs | laurion: not sure |
| 04:59.48 | ajs | laurion: at Limesurvey though, where I did most of my work, a hard task took as much as 12 hours so... much more than lame 1-10 liners |
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| 05:35.29 | allman | hi all. |
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| 06:15.18 | nafcool | why is Melange showing an added 24 hours in the time clock? |
| 06:15.57 | Abhishek | it is because u can claim a task till 8:00 UTC and thats the time for completing the work nafcool |
| 06:16.02 | laurion | nafcool that is time for you to complete your task |
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| 06:34.05 | nafcool | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:34.55 | nafcool | scorche: ping |
| 06:35.07 | nafcool | ukai: ping |
| 06:35.58 | nafcool | Catfish_Man: ping |
| 06:36.24 | nafcool | will there be a cancellation of all VLC tasks done? |
| 06:36.35 | Catfish_Man | isn't involved in GCI admin |
| 06:36.58 | jacktheripper | nafcool, nope |
| 06:37.40 | nafcool | after the incident that happened with VideoLAN? |
| 06:37.49 | jacktheripper | yes |
| 06:37.53 | jacktheripper | they're just under review |
| 06:38.28 | scorche | nafcool: why was i pinged? |
| 06:38.34 | nafcool | but there's still a chance that Google might reduce the points |
| 06:38.40 | jacktheripper | there is |
| 06:39.04 | nafcool | scorche: to know that will VLC tasks be suspended? |
| 06:39.15 | scorche | i am not involved with such things |
| 06:39.27 | scorche | it is generally bad form to just ping people who are opped... |
| 06:39.50 | nafcool | apologizes |
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| 08:19.04 | Dragooon | Yes |
| 08:19.59 | AmanDeep | I have completed 5 tasks...so i will get prize money for just 3 of them i.e. $100? |
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| 08:24.33 | AmanDeep | 23 hours are still remaining and still there is no option for claiming the tasks...why??? |
| 08:25.37 | Dragooon | AmanDeep: https://groups.google.com/group/gci-discuss/browse_thread/thread/51a4ecbd05769d89 |
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| 16:27.55 | Duttaji | Hi |
| 16:28.42 | pjcj | I'm not getting an answer on #melange: |
| 16:28.43 | pjcj | 17:23 pjcj> I'm getting "Error: Server Error" when I try to login |
| 16:28.44 | pjcj | 17:23 pjcj> anyone know anything about that? |
| 16:28.44 | pjcj | 17:23 pjcj> seems to be an App Engine problem |
| 16:28.44 | pjcj | 17:23 pjcj> from the URL and link it shows |
| 16:28.56 | pjcj | anyone here know anything? |
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| 16:29.28 | Duttaji | hi pjcj |
| 16:29.36 | pjcj | hello |
| 16:29.45 | Duttaji | whats going on ? |
| 16:30.35 | pjcj | with melange? beats me |
| 16:31.47 | binaryking | pjcj: I had the same problem |
| 16:31.55 | binaryking | pjcj: but I fixed it ;) |
| 16:32.20 | binaryking | pjcj: that's a DNS problem |
| 16:32.54 | Duttaji | pjcj , what ? |
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| 16:37.26 | binaryking | pjcj: if you're not interested then its laright. |
| 16:37.30 | binaryking | pjcj: bye |
| 16:38.27 | pjcj | binaryking: not uninterested, but busy |
| 16:38.37 | pjcj | I'll check out your suggestion |
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| 16:44.02 | pjcj | binaryking: I'm not convinced - via different DNS servers I get a 400 |
| 16:44.22 | pjcj | but what did you do to fix it for you? |
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| 16:47.52 | binaryking | I implemeted the DNS addresses |
| 16:47.58 | binaryking | the Google Public DNS |
| 16:48.06 | binaryking | 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 |
| 16:49.36 | pjcj | understood, thanks |
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| 19:49.32 | joancreus | is there a reason for the videolan "irregularities"? |
| 19:51.44 | dberkholz | kblin: congrats on starring in lwn =P |
| 19:53.30 | kblin | dberkholz: I do? |
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| 19:55.01 | kblin | I'm not entirely surprised, Jonathan was sitting in the front row, busily typing away |
| 19:55.27 | dberkholz | kblin: including a picture |
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| 19:56.52 | gevaerts | kblin: http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/475592/bf0e5cb5fc22b822/ |
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| 19:57.32 | kblin | gevaerts: you broke freenode! ;) |
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| 19:57.44 | gevaerts | Sorry! |
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| 20:16.22 | joancreus | anyone? is information publicily known about this? |
| 20:19.02 | izibi | joancreus: don't know. i'd also like to know what they did |
| 20:19.41 | ojwb | there |
| 20:19.47 | ojwb | grr |
| 20:19.48 | ojwb | there |
| 20:19.52 | ojwb | stupid layout |
| 20:19.57 | gevaerts | gives ojwb one more chance :) |
| 20:19.59 | ojwb | threre's a blog post from someone about it |
| 20:20.17 | ojwb | google finds it pretty easily... |
| 20:21.46 | ojwb | but essentially the accusation in it was that hard tasks had 2 or 4 line changes in the resulting patches |
| 20:22.12 | ojwb | mind you, some of the hardest bugs I've ever fixed had single line (even single character) fixes |
| 20:22.28 | joancreus | hmm tried to google "videolan gci" with no luck |
| 20:22.33 | ojwb | finding the line/character to change can be the hard bit |
| 20:22.50 | Ivanovic | can require some real hardcore debugging |
| 20:22.56 | joancreus | ojwb: it does sometimes happen to me. and i feel really stupid when it happens (minus/plus sign) |
| 20:23.05 | Ivanovic | eg those lovely "off by one" issues |
| 20:23.07 | joancreus | what seemed to me |
| 20:23.26 | joancreus | is that -all- or most tasks related to coding |
| 20:23.27 | joancreus | were hard |
| 20:23.34 | joancreus | and mostly open, no fixed topic |
| 20:24.01 | ojwb | hmm, interesting |
| 20:24.43 | ojwb | i found it with “gci videolan” less than 12 hours ago, but it's no longer showing up now |
| 20:24.54 | ojwb | I wonder if the blog post was pulled |
| 20:26.06 | Nightrose | please give everyone involved some time to sort this out |
| 20:26.24 | Nightrose | i'm sure we'll hear about it in the end |
| 20:26.56 | gevaerts | nods |
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| 20:35.58 | funman | hi csun |
| 20:36.11 | funman | when do we get details on why those evil videolan gave too much points ? |
| 20:36.46 | csun | when google find it convenient to |
| 20:36.48 | ojwb | has a feeling this is going to be a recurring topic today |
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| 20:37.22 | scorche | ojwb: seems like it ;) |
| 20:37.27 | funman | hi scorche |
| 20:37.38 | scorche | funman: oh hai ;) |
| 20:38.00 | gevaerts | ojwb: if we can make the discussion stop in an ever-reducing time, maybe we can make it a fractal topic |
| 20:38.18 | Lennie | For every time you mention it a kitten gets killed :P? |
| 20:38.31 | ojwb | opens a fresh litter |
| 20:38.32 | csun | or a pet mouse |
| 20:38.36 | scorche | Lennie: but i like kittens =( |
| 20:38.43 | csun | has been doing too much Of Mice and Men |
| 20:38.48 | ojwb | these are evil kittens |
| 20:38.59 | scorche | ojwb: they all are - but they are also damn cute |
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| 20:40.07 | gevaerts | points to http://infinitecat.com/ for a wide choice |
| 20:43.01 | joancreus | ojwb: can i setup an irc bot which responds to posts containing "videolan" ? ;) |
| 20:44.20 | ojwb | joancreus: I think the hard part is the gateway between the irc bot and kitten killing |
| 20:44.46 | joancreus | ojwb: schrodinger's cat? people will never know |
| 20:44.49 | joancreus | unless we open the box |
| 20:45.18 | summatusmentis | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:45.21 | summatusmentis | oops, sorry |
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| 23:16.41 | passstab | anyone have a good last minute task for me? |
| 23:16.46 | passstab | :D |
| 23:17.25 | jacktheripper | passstab, you can't claim tasks anymore |
| 23:18.18 | passstab | oh |
| 23:18.21 | passstab | :( |
| 23:19.03 | passstab | oh well |
| 23:19.34 | passstab | thanks to everyone who mentored me |
| 23:20.31 | passstab | thanks to google (to there h.264 crap) |
| 23:21.02 | passstab | and everyone else who helped |
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| 23:26.51 | Lennie | passstab, h.264 crap? :) |
| 23:27.06 | Lennie | I hope you enjoyed the competition :) |
| 23:27.30 | passstab | yea google took h.264 out of chrome |
| 23:27.42 | passstab | and lied about it |
| 23:27.58 | jacktheripper | uh they did ? |
| 23:28.09 | Lennie | Ask chrome :P? |
| 23:28.23 | jacktheripper | awesome |
| 23:28.56 | passstab | yea they claimed it was in the name of openness |
| 23:29.59 | passstab | while keeping the other nonfree codecs |
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| 23:32.21 | summatusmentis | what other nonfree codecs? the article I'm reading suggests they kept webM and theora |
| 23:32.26 | summatusmentis | neither of which are non-free |
| 23:32.32 | passstab | mp3 |
| 23:33.25 | summatusmentis | that's... not the <video> tag? |
| 23:36.34 | summatusmentis | oh, this article is making the same argument, that it's about consistency related to "open-ness" |
| 23:36.37 | summatusmentis | hrm |
| 23:37.06 | passstab | that the ars one? |
| 23:37.28 | summatusmentis | yeah |
| 23:38.08 | summatusmentis | it's not clear to me that including flash and mp3, but not h.264 means that google is lying |
| 23:38.20 | summatusmentis | it may mean they're inconsistent |
| 23:38.35 | summatusmentis | or it may mean they're taking small steps in a long-term direction |
| 23:39.01 | gevaerts | As far as I know mp3 is fully free, except if you want some more modern *en*coder features |
| 23:40.21 | funman | http://mp3licensing.com/royalty/ says everyone have to pay |
| 23:40.32 | passstab | no but did you read the announcement? |
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| 23:41.31 | gevaerts | funman: yes, but isn't this the thing where you don't get to ask for the encoder rights if you don't agree to pay for the decoder bits? |
| 23:42.06 | funman | i disagree to pay for anything :) |
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| 23:43.11 | Triskelios | gevaerts: all free software *decoders* have come to the conclusion that they are patent encumbered |
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| 23:48.34 | ojwb | with the state of software patents in the US now, pretty much any software is patent encumbered |
| 23:49.13 | gevaerts | Maybe TeX isn't? |
| 23:51.26 | ojwb | not sure why TeX would be special |
| 23:52.08 | ojwb | gevaerts: are you suggesting it predates all software patents? |
| 23:52.20 | gevaerts | Well, not all of it of course |
| 23:52.37 | gevaerts | But lots of it must serve as prior art for patents that expired last year... |
| 23:53.16 | ojwb | mounting a defence even with prior art isn't trivial AIUI |
| 23:53.36 | funman | TeX is quite old too, not sure what's the validity length of a patent |
| 23:55.19 | ojwb | tridge's talk on the subject suggested it was much simpler to argue why you didn't infringe the claims of a patent than to get it struck down as invalid |
| 23:56.50 | gevaerts | I mean, suing for infringement probably has a higher chance of success if the thing you're claiming is infringing is newer than your patent (leaving issues about filing date and invention date and similar aside) |
| 23:56.51 | passstab | http://blog.chromium.org/2011/01/html-video-codec-support-in-chrome.html |
| 23:57.10 | passstab | Though H.264 plays an important role in video, as our goal is to enable open innovation, support for the codec will be removed and our resources directed towards completely open codec technologies. |
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