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| 00:04.09 | Crofton|work | will there be a soc this year? |
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| 00:04.30 | MatthewWilkes | Crofton|work: Maybe. |
| 00:05.28 | MatthewWilkes | !learn will there be as http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpaQpyU_QiM |
| 00:05.28 | gsocbot | MatthewWilkes: "will there be" is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpaQpyU_QiM |
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| 12:47.07 | jacktheripper | is there anyone else but stephanie I can discuss my issue with ? our conversations aren't very useful.. |
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| 12:51.44 | jacktheripper51 | I can't just lose all my points for nothing and be silent about it. She doesn't want to help at all and keeps apologizing, which is obviously of no use |
| 12:56.56 | jacktheripper | is carol involved ? |
| 12:57.36 | MatthewWilkes | jacktheripper: carols is the final authority, but I'm sure Stephanie and Carol will have discussed this |
| 12:57.50 | jacktheripper | but it's only unfair for ME :S |
| 12:57.54 | MatthewWilkes | jacktheripper: I'm guessing from the question you were bitten by VLC? |
| 12:58.10 | MatthewWilkes | jacktheripper: only for you? Huh? |
| 12:58.28 | jacktheripper | here's my story: I had 104 points, I now have 36 just because I worked in bulk and submitted most of my tasks after 5 Jan |
| 12:58.45 | gevaerts | "worked in bulk"? |
| 12:58.50 | MatthewWilkes | I was going to say |
| 12:58.51 | MatthewWilkes | what? |
| 12:58.58 | jacktheripper | 1) Their decision makes no sense and they haven't tried to clarify it. If i'm getting kicked out I need to know why |
| 12:59.07 | jacktheripper | one of the mentors was absent for quite a while, he reviewed my work |
| 12:59.12 | jacktheripper | he returned close to the end of the contest |
| 12:59.22 | jacktheripper | so I got all my tasks THEN |
| 12:59.35 | jacktheripper | The top 20 stayed the same (I didn't notice any change) |
| 12:59.42 | jacktheripper | it's just me who got kicked out so low |
| 13:00.00 | jacktheripper | and I didn't do any of the easy unfair tasks everyone talks about |
| 13:00.08 | jacktheripper | I have no idea who to talk to |
| 13:00.14 | jacktheripper | I was 12th fgs |
| 13:00.14 | MatthewWilkes | jacktheripper: Are you the person who got an extension until after the deadline? |
| 13:00.21 | jacktheripper | nope |
| 13:00.25 | MatthewWilkes | okay |
| 13:00.28 | MatthewWilkes | so, walk me through this |
| 13:00.33 | MatthewWilkes | You did tasks in bulk? |
| 13:00.40 | MatthewWilkes | Does that mean you did ones you hadn't claimed? |
| 13:00.54 | jacktheripper | true, but they work that out |
| 13:01.01 | jacktheripper | as in, they keep track of students who claim tasks |
| 13:01.03 | MatthewWilkes | So, how did you submit them? |
| 13:01.08 | jacktheripper | but not officially as in through the UI |
| 13:01.11 | jacktheripper | I claimed them all one by one |
| 13:01.19 | jacktheripper | Dark_Shikari said this was fine, he made sure before |
| 13:01.20 | MatthewWilkes | jacktheripper: whoa, whoa, whoa |
| 13:01.31 | MatthewWilkes | what if someone claimed it in melange? |
| 13:01.49 | jacktheripper | he has to talk to Dark_Shikari on IRC, he'll then tell him that another student did |
| 13:01.54 | jacktheripper | they keep track of it I said |
| 13:02.11 | jacktheripper | also, there was about 20 copies of the same task, so this wasn't really a problem |
| 13:02.11 | gevaerts | To be honest, this sounds like an additional reason for investigation to me... |
| 13:02.22 | MatthewWilkes | Yes |
| 13:02.27 | MatthewWilkes | It sounds like widespread cheating |
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| 13:02.42 | gevaerts | Organisations really aren't supposed to bypass the melange mechanisms |
| 13:02.51 | MatthewWilkes | jacktheripper: The point of only being able to claim one is to give everyone a fair chance |
| 13:03.28 | jacktheripper | I said he made sure. Jumpyshoes who came in 1st last year worked in this system |
| 13:03.40 | jacktheripper | it's not like I claimed ALL what once |
| 13:03.49 | jacktheripper | I don't work on all the functions at once |
| 13:03.51 | jacktheripper | I do them one by one |
| 13:04.08 | jacktheripper | so in order not to waste time, I kept working and got rewarded for all by the end |
| 13:04.15 | MatthewWilkes | jacktheripper: Anyway, let's work through this some more. You 'claimed' some, then worked on them, what happened at the end? |
| 13:04.16 | jacktheripper | if this was the reason I was kicked out, I need confirmation |
| 13:04.19 | jacktheripper | they don't wanna tell me anything |
| 13:04.20 | MatthewWilkes | you claimed them one by one? |
| 13:04.26 | jacktheripper | I didn't 'claim' some |
| 13:04.28 | jacktheripper | I just worked |
| 13:04.34 | jacktheripper | and got credited at the end |
| 13:04.47 | jacktheripper | claimed, accepted claim, submit work, award points |
| 13:04.49 | MatthewWilkes | you told Dark_Shikari that you were working on them though, just not officially |
| 13:04.54 | jacktheripper | yes |
| 13:04.58 | jacktheripper | he keeps track of who works on what |
| 13:05.36 | jacktheripper | I worked hard. I don't deserve this |
| 13:05.39 | MatthewWilkes | jacktheripper: And you claimed and submitted all these things within the deadline? |
| 13:05.43 | jacktheripper | yep |
| 13:06.02 | thebolt | Hi MatthewWilkes , how're you doing? |
| 13:06.26 | MatthewWilkes | jacktheripper: What org is this? |
| 13:06.30 | jacktheripper | VideoLAN |
| 13:06.37 | MatthewWilkes | thebolt: Good ta, waiting for packages to arrive |
| 13:06.38 | jacktheripper | which is why I lost all my points.. |
| 13:06.43 | jacktheripper | I got awarded for all of them after Jan 5 |
| 13:06.47 | MatthewWilkes | jacktheripper: You said you weren't bitten by the VLC problems |
| 13:06.51 | jacktheripper | I was |
| 13:06.55 | jacktheripper | I didn't say that |
| 13:07.14 | MatthewWilkes | ah, sorry, misread |
| 13:07.20 | MatthewWilkes | you didn't answer that question |
| 13:07.25 | jacktheripper | oh sorr |
| 13:07.26 | jacktheripper | y |
| 13:07.35 | MatthewWilkes | jacktheripper: Okay, then yes, that's the reason you've lost your points and there's nothing to be done about it |
| 13:07.54 | jacktheripper | and this doesn't look the least bit unfair to you ? I'm not even given a reason this happened! |
| 13:08.36 | MatthewWilkes | jacktheripper: By your own admission you've at least bent the rules, maybe even broken them, by coordinating what tasks were yours outside of what's allowed |
| 13:09.00 | Ivanovic | jacktheripper: the rules of the competition are rather clear |
| 13:09.04 | jacktheripper | I'm telling you. Dark_Shikari made sure this was okay |
| 13:09.18 | jacktheripper | Jumpyshoes worked this way last year |
| 13:09.20 | Ivanovic | then by doing so dark_shikari was breaking the compo rules |
| 13:09.24 | MatthewWilkes | jacktheripper: You could contact carols if you want this confirmed, include the info from Dark_Shikari where you asked about this and were told it had been okayed |
| 13:09.24 | jacktheripper | VideoLAN has always done this |
| 13:09.43 | Ivanovic | and it is still at least bending the rules very far |
| 13:09.45 | MatthewWilkes | jacktheripper: But, as I understand it G would have been within their rights to not award you anything |
| 13:09.48 | Ivanovic | if not even breaking it |
| 13:10.38 | Ivanovic | the matter is similar too driving too fast: "hey, i was always driwing 20mph faster than allowed and never got a ticket!" does not help if you are cought driving 20mph too fast |
| 13:10.39 | jacktheripper | I theoretically "claimed" the tasks |
| 13:10.57 | MatthewWilkes | jacktheripper: By my count you wouldn't have been a grand prize winner anyway, am I correct? |
| 13:11.01 | jacktheripper | and everything goes through him |
| 13:11.02 | Ivanovic | theoretically is basically invalid since practice is: stuff is only claimed when claimed in melange |
| 13:11.03 | MatthewWilkes | jacktheripper: Yes, and that's the problem |
| 13:11.13 | jacktheripper | if they had chosen to reduce the difficulty of the easy VLC tasks, yes I would |
| 13:11.26 | MatthewWilkes | jacktheripper: rule 6b You claim a Task by selecting “Request to claim the task” from the drop down menu on that Task. You cannot claim a Task that another Participant has claimed UNLESS that Task has been reopened as explained in subsection (d) below. Participants may claim only one Task at a time |
| 13:11.30 | jacktheripper | which should have been the more sensible decision :S |
| 13:11.40 | weltall | (/me tickets are set 40km/h more here *runs) |
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| 13:12.22 | jacktheripper | also, it's ok if I don't win the grand prize, but being 12th could help me a ton in my applications to college or so |
| 13:12.35 | jacktheripper | can I have carol's address ? |
| 13:12.51 | MatthewWilkes | jacktheripper: Carol Smith <carols@google.com> |
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| 13:13.37 | MatthewWilkes | is so glad that Plone decided not to apply for GCI this year, seems stressful |
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| 13:13.51 | Ivanovic | MatthewWilkes: same here for wesnoth |
| 13:14.02 | Ivanovic | that is: this year we would not have had enough tasks anyway... |
| 13:14.30 | jacktheripper | why can't they mention what actually happened anyways ? They suddenly announced that the tasks were under review (and they never made one) |
| 13:14.52 | gevaerts | jacktheripper: who says they won't? |
| 13:15.01 | jacktheripper | they never said they would |
| 13:15.07 | MatthewWilkes | jacktheripper: My guess would be they have taken legal advice not to |
| 13:15.13 | gevaerts | This isn't an easy thing to handle from the google side either |
| 13:15.16 | MatthewWilkes | running a competition is complicated, especially cross-border |
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| 13:19.44 | jacktheripper | they could've at least said they can't. They just ignored all my questions about why this happened. It's pretty frustrating.. |
| 13:20.34 | MatthewWilkes | jacktheripper: Okay, we get it, email Carol asking for specifics, but as I say, my guess is they've been told by their lawyers they can't announce reasons, but they might be able to give you more info |
| 13:20.44 | jacktheripper | hope so |
| 13:20.59 | MatthewWilkes | we certainly can't, as from everything you've told us it looks like you and VLC are in the wrong, and it's a very special case |
| 13:21.32 | MatthewWilkes | (Standard disclaimer: I am not a Googler or involved in GCI in any way) |
| 13:21.45 | jacktheripper | aware of that :) |
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| 13:22.10 | MatthewWilkes | Has to be said :) |
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| 15:52.22 | alextum3 | does my sourceforge.net project have to have some legal entity attached to it (charity, business ) in order to participate in gsoc? |
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| 15:55.24 | Triskelios | alextum3: no, as long as an individual can act as a legal party |
| 15:56.41 | alextum3 | wow, OK, my dad has a company. Can he somehow help me or does the legal entity have to be dedicated to the specific project? |
| 15:57.10 | alextum3 | o, sorry, I misunderstood your responce |
| 15:57.27 | alextum3 | so a physical person can apply, then |
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| 17:48.39 | carols | serves some tea and cookies |
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| 18:00.26 | Dragooon | carols: I understand this is a long shot, but is there a way to have an official e-mail acknowledge a student's position in top 10 before Feb 14th? |
| 18:04.05 | carols | Dragooon: no, we don't announce winners until then. |
| 18:04.07 | carols | sorry. |
| 18:04.48 | Dragooon | carols: Okay, thanks |
| 18:04.51 | carols | yw |
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| 18:07.55 | binaryking | carols: ping |
| 18:08.00 | carols | binaryking: pong |
| 18:08.37 | binaryking | carols: the top 10 in the leaderboard are goin' to Calif. right? |
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| 18:12.24 | binaryking | carols: the top 10 in the leaderboard are goin' to Calif. right? |
| 18:12.41 | carols | binaryking: the announced grand prize winners get the trip, yes. |
| 18:13.11 | binaryking | carols: so, it isn't fixed that top 10 will get a trip? |
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| 18:13.31 | carols | binaryking: yes, it is the 10 grand prize winners. correct. |
| 18:13.43 | carols | binaryking: however, if you're asking about the leader board, that is just a guide. |
| 18:13.48 | carols | we announce winners on feb. 14 |
| 18:14.28 | binaryking | carols: so the top 10 in the leaderboard isn't the top 10 winners? |
| 18:14.43 | carols | binaryking: we won't know until feb. 14. it may be, it may not be. |
| 18:14.44 | binaryking | *aren'y |
| 18:14.45 | binaryking | *aren't |
| 18:14.50 | carols | it's just a guide. |
| 18:14.59 | binaryking | carols: alright |
| 18:15.25 | gevaerts | quickly grabs some of those cookies before they're all gone |
| 18:15.43 | binaryking | carols: there are rumours or so that GCI 12 isn't gonna happen due to the mess created by VideoLAN |
| 18:15.47 | binaryking | is it true? |
| 18:15.52 | carols | binaryking: i don't know. :-) |
| 18:16.04 | Lennie | Rumor mill :D |
| 18:16.11 | binaryking | carols: :-) |
| 18:16.25 | gevaerts | binaryking: yes, it's true that there are rumours :) |
| 18:16.32 | carols | thanks gevaerts :-) |
| 18:16.43 | binaryking | gevaerts: :) |
| 18:17.41 | binaryking | carols: George Stephanos was with 104 points and now he's with only 36 points? |
| 18:17.53 | carols | binaryking: yeah? i hadn't checked. |
| 18:18.12 | binaryking | carols: yeah! |
| 18:18.18 | carols | binaryking: ok |
| 18:18.29 | binaryking | carols: when shall the prizes be sent? |
| 18:18.38 | binaryking | lives in India |
| 18:18.42 | carols | binaryking: i think stephanie sent an email about that to the list, didn't she? |
| 18:18.57 | binaryking | carols: link plz? |
| 18:19.43 | carols | https://groups.google.com/group/gci-discuss/msg/a95ab6fe398dd1ab "Please submit forms by January 16, 2012 at 8:00 UTC if you would like to |
| 18:19.43 | carols | receive your prizes in the first shipments that will go out in late |
| 18:19.43 | carols | February. " |
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| 18:20.58 | carols | sips some tea on the open source couch |
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| 18:21.54 | Lennie | !melange |
| 18:21.55 | gsocbot | Lennie: "melange" is the software we are using to administer GSoC. It is open source. #melange is the irc channel |
| 18:22.13 | gevaerts | tells melange about the couch |
| 18:22.24 | allman | hi all - anyone going to SCALE? |
| 18:22.30 | Lennie | is sitting on the couch right now ^_^ |
| 18:22.42 | Lennie | brought syrup waffles from home as well |
| 18:22.52 | gevaerts | steals Lennie's waffles |
| 18:23.22 | allman | nom nom syrup waffles! |
| 18:24.02 | Lennie | allman, I left them on your desk yesterday :p |
| 18:24.09 | Lennie | I hope they are not all gone ^^ |
| 18:24.10 | carols | has a meeting |
| 18:24.10 | allman | I'll schedule a GSoC Meetup at SCALE for Sat evening if anyone in the LA area is going to be around. |
| 18:24.12 | carols | ill be back soon |
| 18:24.31 | allman | not yet :) |
| 18:26.06 | weltall | is extremely far from LA area :D |
| 18:26.28 | allman | We need a transporter ;) |
| 18:26.51 | Lennie | I heard we have one for goats |
| 18:28.03 | Lennie | out of context ^^ |
| 18:28.35 | allman | shhhhh! Everyone will want one! We'll run out of goat! |
| 18:28.59 | allman | ;) |
| 18:29.38 | gevaerts | isn't that fond of goats |
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| 18:31.40 | allman | goat cheese - nom |
| 18:31.51 | gevaerts | Ah yes, the cheese is good :) |
| 18:31.56 | Lennie | !logs |
| 18:31.56 | gsocbot | Lennie: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
| 18:32.05 | allman | thx |
| 18:32.09 | Lennie | np! |
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| 18:40.33 | jacktheripper | I don't understand how the current leaderboard is "just a guide". If their completed tasks are going to be reviewed for inaccuracy/hardness then I might as well get mine reviewed too. |
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| 18:52.02 | Crofton|work | are corporatiosn people? |
| 18:52.10 | Crofton|work | is making a .su centric joke |
| 18:53.51 | Lennie | Crofton|work, they pretend they are people but they don't care :P? |
| 18:54.23 | Lennie | It appears to be protest day again |
| 18:59.38 | carols | serves some friday cookies |
| 18:59.43 | carols | seems to be a good cookie day |
| 19:00.00 | gevaerts | Woo! More cookies! |
| 19:00.10 | gevaerts | grabs several |
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| 19:00.20 | Lennie | thinks gevaerts eats too much cookies |
| 19:00.23 | carols | glad you like them, gevaerts :-) |
| 19:00.46 | gevaerts | How can I not? They're delicious! |
| 19:00.53 | Lennie | :D |
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| 19:01.25 | gevaerts | likes responding to two people with one statement :) |
| 19:01.29 | jacktheripper | carols, may I ask how just-a-guide the current leaderboard is ? are the tasks going to be reviewed ? |
| 19:01.47 | carols | jacktheripper: yes, they are all being reviewed. this is why we don't announce winners until feb. 14. |
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| 19:02.01 | Dragooon | jacktheripper: I think it refers to the fact that the forms can be declined which may result in the participant being disqualified |
| 19:02.01 | carols | it takes a long time to do all these reviews :-) |
| 19:02.47 | Dragooon | carols: What do you review? The work? |
| 19:02.53 | jacktheripper | and of course there's no chance I get mine reviewed (for hardness).. :/ (I'm the 104->36 guy) |
| 19:03.24 | carols | Dragooon: yes. and the tasks, the whole lot. we're looking at everything. |
| 19:03.47 | jacktheripper | for every student ? |
| 19:04.09 | carols | indeed |
| 19:04.29 | Dragooon | carols: Are the ranks published? |
| 19:04.40 | carols | Dragooon: you mean the current ranking? |
| 19:04.43 | jacktheripper | so is there /any/ chance I may get special-cased and get my points back ? |
| 19:04.44 | carols | i think it's public, no? |
| 19:04.50 | carols | jacktheripper: i don't know |
| 19:04.52 | Dragooon | carols: Yes, in the formal announcement |
| 19:05.21 | carols | Dragooon: i don't think i understand. you want to know when the winners are announced on feb. 14 if we will list the rankings, you mean? |
| 19:05.31 | Dragooon | carols: Yes |
| 19:05.55 | carols | Dragooon: the rankings board will be public, yes. however in the blog post, just as last year, we will list the winners alphabetically |
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| 19:07.23 | jacktheripper | I just can't get my voice up. Everytime I send an email I get a very generic message. |
| 19:07.38 | carols | jacktheripper: i'm not sure what question you're trying to get answered? |
| 19:09.11 | carols | jacktheripper: you may be getting a generic message because we don't know the answer yet. |
| 19:10.15 | carols | munches some cookies |
| 19:10.33 | Ivanovic | supports carols in here "fight against the cookies" |
| 19:10.36 | Ivanovic | :) |
| 19:10.48 | carols | Ivanovic: not much of a fight if you ask me :-) |
| 19:10.49 | Dragooon | carols: Will the leader board change with the review or is it expected to remain as is? |
| 19:11.08 | carols | Dragooon: i don't know. i won't know until the review is done on feb. 14 :-) |
| 19:11.17 | Ivanovic | i'd say it is a battle which is likely to be won... |
| 19:11.17 | jacktheripper | carols, I sent you an email and you directed me back to stephanie. Here I'll say it again: I worked with VL most of the time. The mentor that reviewed my tasks got busy for two weeks and I kept working. I then got all my tasks (they were 15 iirc) claimed and submitted at once sometime after Jan 5, and now I lost them all. Was this wrong and against the rules ? |
| 19:11.50 | carols | jacktheripper: ah, i see. i don't know the answer to that, and i imagine stephanie doesn't know yet either. as i've said, things are still under review. |
| 19:12.13 | Lennie | MatthewWilkes, gave you a good explanation though of what's wrong with that approach |
| 19:12.20 | Lennie | and against the contest rules and spirit |
| 19:12.53 | jacktheripper | urrm and I kept saying everyone went through D_S and he kept track of claims. |
| 19:13.18 | Ivanovic | and we told you that this is still not exactly what is written in the rules |
| 19:13.22 | Ivanovic | since D_S is *not* melange |
| 19:13.39 | Ivanovic | (the rules explicitly stating melange) |
| 19:13.48 | jacktheripper | which is why I'm asking carols right now, and she doesn't know. |
| 19:13.58 | chrisoelmueller | *yet* |
| 19:14.01 | chrisoelmueller | note that google sets rules and the org admins are expected to follow that spirit to a certain degree .. so when in doubt, the org might still not be right |
| 19:14.09 | carols | jacktheripper: indeed. stephanie runs the program, so she's been sending out updates as she gets more information. |
| 19:14.10 | jacktheripper | it may be against the rules, but it certainly isn't against the *spirit* |
| 19:14.56 | Ivanovic | ain't the spirit to leave everybody with the same chances? |
| 19:15.00 | carols | jacktheripper: unfortunately this isn't something that's going to be done overnight. i hope you will bear with us even thought it's difficult and know that we are doing our best to review things as fast as we can. unfortunately these things take time. |
| 19:15.30 | Ivanovic | and if some can do significantly more work because they don't have to wait for mentor feedback, is this not some advantage for those not following the exact rules? |
| 19:15.34 | jacktheripper | Ivanovic, he _kept_track_. Everyone had to _go_through_him_ |
| 19:15.44 | Dragooon | Ivanovic: Not that I'm with or against anybody, but I don't believe the chances are affected that way. Mentors still reviewed everything |
| 19:15.50 | jacktheripper | carols, I'm just wondering if I shuold still have hope. I severly dropped. Thanks |
| 19:16.06 | Ivanovic | jacktheripper: what you should do at the moment is be patient |
| 19:16.17 | Lennie | jacktheripper, your tasks still count towards your total iirc. And isn't 106 points outside of the top 10? |
| 19:16.32 | carols | jacktheripper: I'm really sorry that it's frustrating. i know how difficult it is. we're doing our best. it's really hard for all of us. |
| 19:16.40 | chrisoelmueller | well i remember a very similar discussion about external task management happening on mentor summit and it's not easy to decide what's wrong and what works. |
| 19:16.58 | chrisoelmueller | no competition setup might be optimal for gci, so finding one that works well enough for everybody is not an easy task |
| 19:16.59 | jacktheripper | Lennie, they don't point-wise. I'm close (12th) so I may get picked if after the reviewing some drop. |
| 19:17.04 | jacktheripper | carols, thanks :) |
| 19:17.11 | carols | jacktheripper: you're welcome. |
| 19:17.24 | carols | serves some tea |
| 19:17.25 | Lennie | chrisoelmueller, I have seen a VLC task where work was done and submitted 2 weeks before it was claimed+assigned+reviewed |
| 19:17.56 | Dragooon | Lennie: VLC works in strange ways, but they don't break the core protocol |
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| 19:19.02 | chrisoelmueller | Lennie: i'm totally not following the current gci in detail, but the issues pointed out here in this chan were sufficient to remind me |
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| 19:19.25 | Lennie | chrisoelmueller, I was at that meeting too btw :) |
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| 19:20.08 | Dragooon | needs to figure out a way to get his school to shut up |
| 19:20.19 | Lennie | Dragooon, graduate :P? |
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| 19:20.28 | Lennie | That will usually get them off your back |
| 19:20.35 | Dragooon | Lennie: No lol. They are asking for a letter from me about GCI |
| 19:20.44 | Alex11223 | carols: btw what happens if you find some issue with my forms, I fix it until ... 14 february? but then you find some other issue?:) I'll fail in recieving prizes? |
| 19:20.47 | Dragooon | But I don't want to give it until the official announcement |
| 19:21.02 | carols | Alex11223: we'll work with you to get the forms fixed, however your prizes may be delayed. |
| 19:21.38 | Ivanovic | Dragooon: why not make it a temporary letter? |
| 19:22.01 | Ivanovic | stating "yeah, i participated but the work done is currently in final review and the results will be published on february 14th" |
| 19:22.17 | Dragooon | Ivanovic: I can always give a letter, but I don't want things to round up in hell if things go to hell |
| 19:22.18 | Ivanovic | should clear things up and satisfy common beurocrats |
| 19:22.25 | Dragooon | It'll look far worse that I came first and then dropped to nothing <_< |
| 19:22.37 | Ivanovic | you give no results in this first letter |
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| 19:22.44 | Ivanovic | since there are no results to share yet |
| 19:22.52 | Dragooon | They know my result lol |
| 19:23.03 | carols | Dragooon: i'm happy to give you a note to attest to you participation in the contest. your participation is not in question here. |
| 19:24.04 | Dragooon | carols: My participation is not the one that needs attestation, I have sufficient proof about that. I also know that I'm in top 10, it's just that I don't want to give a letter to my school unless I hear something official |
| 19:24.13 | Dragooon | Because if I retract my statement, it'll look far worse |
| 19:24.26 | Dragooon | Even if I specify that it's temp. |
| 19:24.31 | Ivanovic | Dragooon: i don't understand your issue at all |
| 19:24.36 | carols | Dragooon: what do they need the letter to attest to then? |
| 19:24.50 | Ivanovic | Dragooon: in any letter that you could give to your school you could only say "participated, ranking so far unknown" |
| 19:25.07 | Dragooon | Ivanovic: The thing is, leader board shows me as first |
| 19:25.10 | Dragooon | And they know that |
| 19:25.15 | Ivanovic | and? |
| 19:25.33 | Ivanovic | the leader board is just a temporary value before review is taking place |
| 19:25.34 | Dragooon | So, if I do give them a letter, I need to say that I wounded up in top 10 |
| 19:25.42 | Ivanovic | why do you have to say this? |
| 19:25.49 | Dragooon | Stupid teachers? |
| 19:26.07 | Ivanovic | you can only say "reviews are pending" |
| 19:26.13 | Dragooon | I can say that |
| 19:26.26 | Ivanovic | anything listed on the website at this very moment are temporary values |
| 19:26.47 | csun | Dragooon: if you're not getting in then nobody is :P |
| 19:26.50 | Lennie | Anything on the website must always be considered temporary according to the rules iir |
| 19:26.51 | Lennie | iirc |
| 19:27.02 | Dragooon | I don't think they don't say that? |
| 19:27.09 | Dragooon | s/don't/ |
| 19:27.53 | carols | Dragooon: well, you have my offer. i'm happy to write you a letter attesting to your participation in the contest now. if your school is concerned with rank then you'll have to wait until feb. 14. good luck. |
| 19:28.14 | Dragooon | carols: Thanks, I'll see what I should do |
| 19:28.22 | carols | great |
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| 19:30.14 | carols | serves some more cookies |
| 19:30.23 | carols | we seem to be going through them fast today :-) |
| 19:30.39 | Ivanovic | hey, they are tasty |
| 19:30.45 | Ivanovic | tasty cookies never last long... |
| 19:30.52 | carols | fair enough :_0 |
| 19:31.00 | carols | wow, that's a sad smiley |
| 19:31.03 | carols | let's try that again |
| 19:31.04 | carols | :-) |
| 19:31.42 | gevaerts | attacks the new cookies. They need to die! |
| 19:33.38 | Dragooon | csun: lol |
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| 19:35.31 | gevaerts | viciously devours the slain cookies, not leaving so much as a crumb |
| 19:36.11 | carols | i see now where all the cookies are going, gevaerts :-) |
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| 19:36.44 | gevaerts | carols: yes, sorry about that. Sometimes I can't control myself |
| 19:36.49 | carols | i see. |
| 19:38.04 | weltall | maybe you could restrain him? |
| 19:38.32 | carols | weltall: i think he'll have to learn restraint himself :-) |
| 19:38.40 | weltall | XD |
| 19:38.51 | gevaerts | very calmly sips tea |
| 19:39.09 | carols | has some tea as well |
| 19:40.20 | Dragooon | should sleep |
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| 19:53.47 | jacktheripper | yep |
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| 20:49.49 | MatthewWilkes | carols: May I pm? |
| 20:50.32 | carols | MatthewWilkes: sure |
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| 21:01.32 | matzipan[aw] | carols: have the organizations registration started? |
| 21:03.56 | matzipan | carols: you there? |
| 21:04.48 | carols | matzipan: organization registration for what? |
| 21:05.13 | matzipan | gsoc |
| 21:05.22 | carols | matzipan: we haven't even decided if we're doing gsoc this year |
| 21:05.28 | carols | so no, org reg has not started |
| 21:05.31 | matzipan | :( |
| 21:05.33 | matzipan | okay |
| 21:06.36 | matzipan | carols: when should i check again ? |
| 21:07.03 | carols | matzipan: you should subscribe to the gsoc announce list and pay attention to our blog. those are the places where gsoc is announced when we decide to do it |
| 21:07.19 | matzipan | will do, thank you |
| 21:07.25 | carols | yw |
| 21:07.49 | matzipan | btw, do you know anything about the google generation scolarship? |
| 21:08.05 | matzipan | i mean, i want to know if it applies to international students |
| 21:08.38 | carols | matzipan: no, unfortunately i don't, i'm sorry |
| 21:08.45 | matzipan | okay, i'm just gonna email |
| 21:08.48 | matzipan | thanks |
| 21:09.13 | carols | yw |
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| 21:15.13 | denisboyun | Hello already know when will gsoc 2012? |
| 21:15.43 | gevaerts | There hasn't been an announcement yet, no |
| 21:15.49 | carols | denisboyun: we're not sure if we're doing it yet. so no |
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| 21:24.23 | denisboyun | Thank's) |
| 21:26.03 | carols | yw |
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| 21:41.57 | dberkholz | carols: i was thinking we should get rid of gsoc and focus on a summertime program for elementary-school kids instead |
| 21:42.12 | carols | dberkholz: online? |
| 21:42.13 | summatusmentis | no, go pre-natal |
| 21:42.23 | carols | dberkholz: or are you trolling me? |
| 21:42.23 | summatusmentis | gotta get 'em young |
| 21:42.30 | dberkholz | carols: nah, we can just ship a few thousand of them to your office and pair 'em with googlers =) |
| 21:42.39 | carols | dberkholz: ah, i see. right. |
| 21:42.49 | dberkholz | but really, it would be cool. |
| 21:43.21 | dberkholz | i think our generation already doesn't grasp how young people are getting into computers etc today |
| 21:44.09 | carols | dberkholz: yes, it would be really cool. and a logistical event I don't even want to consider having to having to deal with |
| 21:44.27 | aghisla | young people? where? let me take my glasses |
| 21:44.45 | gevaerts | carols: I think dberkholz is volunteering ;) |
| 21:44.45 | carols | gevaerts: indeed :-) |
| 21:45.17 | dberkholz | you'd have to pay me a lot more than i'm making now to deal with that |
| 21:45.21 | dberkholz | i hate logistics |
| 21:45.50 | Lennie | Ask UPS, they <3 logistics :P |
| 21:45.57 | dberkholz | we're a company of 6 and 2 of them do nothing but deal with that so the rest of us can ignore it |
| 21:46.26 | gevaerts | dberkholz: you shouldn't have volunteered with witnesses present then! ;) |
| 21:46.38 | Lennie | hands gevaerts more cookies |
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| 21:46.42 | dberkholz | that's it, i'm not buying you a beer at fosdem |
| 21:47.02 | gevaerts | stops paying attention to what dberkholz is saying and starts eating cookies |
| 21:47.13 | carols | dberkholz: aw, no beer |
| 21:47.15 | carols | that's sad |
| 21:47.28 | Lennie | Not sure if the Beer Distribution Algorithm at Fosdem allows exceptions |
| 21:47.48 | dberkholz | oh, if he gives me a token i'll bring one back. |
| 21:47.58 | Lennie | empty? |
| 21:48.21 | gevaerts | carols: I'm pretty sure we can get beer without dberkholz paying for it :) |
| 21:48.31 | carols | gevaerts: yeah? well then we may have to do that :-) |
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| 22:08.54 | kblin | carols: you're going to fosdem? |
| 22:08.59 | carols | kblin: i am |
| 22:09.14 | chrisoelmueller | awesome :) |
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| 22:09.19 | kblin | cool. |
| 22:09.23 | kblin | sadly I'm not |
| 22:09.44 | carols | that's too bad :-( |
| 22:09.45 | kblin | but I get to run around in australia, so that's great |
| 22:10.07 | summatusmentis | watch out for dropbears |
| 22:10.20 | carols | australia is wonderful :-) |
| 22:10.52 | kblin | the people running fosdem always seem to hack my calendar and schedule in the weekend of february that I have blocked off |
| 22:11.08 | kblin | sometimes even before I get around entering the dates |
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