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| 02:19.14 | weecol | much going on here |
| 02:19.41 | weecol | any talk of 2012 dates |
| 02:20.01 | weecol | anyone |
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| 09:07.06 | exatron | anyone can help me find out a project on filesystems and networking in c?? |
| 09:10.20 | thiago | all the fuse projects are in C and they deal with filesystems, by definition |
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| 09:14.59 | exatron_ | i want to start programming in the field of networking and filesystems in c |
| 09:15.05 | exatron_ | where do i start>> |
| 09:15.06 | exatron_ | ??? |
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| 09:29.24 | weltall | if you are searching for an idea of a project what about being able to mount a bz2 compressed file so you don't have to extract it in order to mount a disk dump inside it :D |
| 09:29.36 | weltall | couldn't find anything like that around |
| 09:30.24 | gevaerts | hopes that weltall doesn't mind it being read only |
| 09:30.37 | weltall | fine with read only |
| 09:30.51 | weltall | i just need to read the disk dump contents without extracting 500gb of data :D |
| 09:31.27 | gevaerts | I'm not sure bz2 supports working out offsets in the thing without extracting the lot |
| 09:31.30 | weltall | actually i prefer it read only |
| 09:31.49 | weltall | i've found some things working with tar.bz2 at least they claim so |
| 09:32.29 | weltall | and compression and decompression can be parallized |
| 09:32.51 | weltall | so the chunk are independant (size decided during compression) |
| 09:34.00 | weltall | but would need for sure someone knowing more that format |
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| 10:05.15 | kai | exatron_: you could work on the linux kernel's CIFS client. that's networking _and_ a filesystem :) |
| 10:08.28 | weltall | :D |
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| 17:27.15 | exatron | hey any one can tell me networking in c related projects for gsoc |
| 17:27.27 | exatron | have found nmap and samba |
| 17:27.29 | exatron | till now |
| 17:28.15 | exatron | but the developers at their IRC's say that they are very large and serious projects and that i shud first try out simple projects on networking |
| 17:28.24 | exatron | i am a novice in this field |
| 17:28.30 | exatron | anyone can help me out?? |
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| 17:31.04 | tierra | weird... especially considering how early you're jumping on this, it's odd for a project to turn away interested students |
| 17:31.55 | tierra | usually the idea is that there's likely some small project that wouldn't be overkill that you could handle |
| 17:32.16 | tierra | within those projects I mean |
| 17:33.27 | exatron | yea thats what i was guessing.. |
| 17:40.36 | kblin | totally depends on how you're asking, I guess |
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| 17:59.19 | exatron | any networking related projects in c lang |
| 17:59.20 | exatron | ? |
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| 18:03.07 | dfighter | exatron look in last year's orgs |
| 18:03.22 | dfighter | or if you really want to start then read that Unix network programming book |
| 18:03.25 | dfighter | and write an IRC bot |
| 18:03.35 | dfighter | that's what I did when I was interested in networking |
| 18:03.50 | exatron | ok..btw which org did you apply in? |
| 18:04.17 | dfighter | gsoc hasn't been even announced yet |
| 18:04.35 | dfighter | unless I missed something |
| 18:04.36 | exatron | talking abt last yr |
| 18:04.39 | dfighter | oh |
| 18:04.45 | dfighter | worldforge / ryzom |
| 18:04.46 | exatron | :) |
| 18:04.54 | exatron | wats it abt? |
| 18:04.58 | exatron | wat lang? |
| 18:05.02 | dfighter | it's not related to either C or networking |
| 18:05.10 | dfighter | it's a game framework |
| 18:05.10 | exatron | ohk :) |
| 18:05.30 | dfighter | just do as I said if you want to learn C and network programming |
| 18:05.35 | exatron | did you hv some knowlodge bfore you thought of applying in it |
| 18:05.46 | exatron | how long did you start b4? |
| 18:05.51 | dfighter | years ago |
| 18:05.59 | exatron | :O |
| 18:07.04 | exatron | just tell me .. i have been receiving negative feedbacks in the field i am interested in ... if i want to apply this time in gso in this field yet not know much in this is it too late to be practical? |
| 18:07.45 | dfighter | well I don't think you can learn network programming in 2-3 months |
| 18:07.51 | dfighter | but if they have some beginner idea |
| 18:07.54 | dfighter | you should try that anyways |
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| 18:08.49 | exatron | hmmm i get it |
| 18:08.57 | gevaerts | It all depends on where you're starting |
| 18:09.07 | dfighter | but then having enough experience is no guarantee either |
| 18:09.30 | dfighter | the org will probably rank the ideas based on their needs |
| 18:09.34 | gevaerts | And what you mean by network programming |
| 18:09.35 | araujo | It depends on your motivation , if you are motived to do something, just go and do it, don't worry about learning time or something like that |
| 18:10.18 | exatron | yea ryt |
| 18:10.32 | gevaerts | If you want to work on a TCP/IP stack, you'll need to know a lot more than if you want to work on something that does a simple request/response protocol over TCP |
| 18:10.58 | araujo | and one of the requirements for GSoC is ... in my opinion, ready to explore new fields and learn new things too |
| 18:11.39 | dfighter | gevaerts he probably wants to program between those two |
| 18:11.41 | araujo | one of the aspect of the GSoC that is usually omitted is the "educative" part ... you will learn doing it too , that is one of the idea |
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| 18:12.25 | gevaerts | Oh, and if you don't want negative responses, don't be too pushy. Don't PM people without some sort of indication that they don't mind, don't ask the same thing every half hour, and try to use correct language (if the compiler can demand correct syntax, so can we! ;) |
| 18:12.32 | araujo | hands a flower to lh |
| 18:12.51 | dfighter | correct semantics too please! |
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| 18:13.04 | dfighter | just because syntax is correct it can be gibberish |
| 18:13.08 | gevaerts | segfaults :) |
| 18:13.12 | dfighter | inb4 markov chain bots |
| 18:13.50 | exatron | yea i enjoy exploring all the things by myself but not knowing wat the outcome will be makes it all worthless... |
| 18:13.52 | exatron | :( |
| 18:14.21 | dfighter | exatron http://www.amazon.com/UNIX-Network-Programming-Networking-Sockets/dp/013490012X is a good start |
| 18:14.23 | araujo | exatron, don't worry about that |
| 18:14.25 | exatron | if i push myself all into the project but yet not be able to complete |
| 18:14.28 | dfighter | if you prefer something more succinct |
| 18:14.33 | dfighter | just read Beej's guide |
| 18:14.49 | dfighter | http://beej.us/guide/bgnet/ |
| 18:14.59 | exatron | ok ... |
| 18:15.14 | araujo | exatron, important is that you are motivated .... my first advice is ... find a project that you find really interesting ,.... if you don't know or are not sure yet, do some researching |
| 18:15.27 | exatron | thanx.. all of you guys :) |
| 18:15.29 | araujo | motivation is what will keep you going |
| 18:15.42 | dfighter | if you know the theory behind networking ( Tanenbaum book ), you can just go with the beej guide |
| 18:15.47 | exatron | yea right |
| 18:15.53 | exatron | ok |
| 18:16.58 | exatron | the simple projects that i find have either too less slots or either isnt selected |
| 18:17.24 | dfighter | araujo altough I find your reasoning very appealing I find it unfair to the orgs |
| 18:17.36 | dfighter | I for one surely wouldn't propose something I'm not certain about |
| 18:17.50 | araujo | dfighter, why?, what is the unfair part? |
| 18:18.04 | dfighter | if I have to learn a lot "on the job" then there is a great risk for the org that someone else would have been a better pick |
| 18:19.03 | araujo | for GSoC you need to write a proposal , ... orgs evaluate and choose it , of course motivation is not the only thing you need, but in my opinion is one of the first important requirement for a student , ... and this is something that usually shows in the proposal |
| 18:19.46 | dfighter | yea but if you can't live up to it ( see at art of interview bs to get accepted ), then you might end up wasting a slot |
| 18:20.18 | araujo | in life, you don't know if you can't live up to it unless you do it |
| 18:20.28 | exatron | :) |
| 18:20.33 | exatron | very true |
| 18:20.55 | araujo | so my opinion is, be open to learn , be motivated, and send your proposal |
| 18:20.58 | exatron | but for the org it is always someone better at the field |
| 18:21.01 | dfighter | well araujo I usually have some intuition regarding it, maybe others work differently |
| 18:21.03 | exatron | :) |
| 18:21.43 | araujo | notice how GSoC usually has some months for "researching" ... 2~3 months |
| 18:22.05 | araujo | you can learn and explore a lot there , feedback with the community and mentors you are going to work |
| 18:22.10 | dfighter | ofc |
| 18:22.14 | araujo | it is a good time for bootstrapping |
| 18:22.43 | dfighter | but say, you have no experience in 3d graphics at all, and you want to apply to Blender for example for some 3d task |
| 18:22.50 | dfighter | where you have to compete with phd students |
| 18:22.53 | araujo | and I think mentors usually do a great job guiding and even helping the students when they are in doubt |
| 18:22.54 | dfighter | specialized in 3d |
| 18:23.06 | dfighter | how well could you get ready in 2-3 months? |
| 18:23.08 | dfighter | :P |
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| 18:23.36 | araujo | dfighter, someone with no 3d experience, ... "usually" means no 3d knowledge at all , which usually means he is not too interested in such a field |
| 18:23.41 | araujo | nevertheless |
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| 18:23.45 | araujo | this all shows in the proposal |
| 18:23.52 | araujo | what kind of proposal do you think a person like that could send? |
| 18:24.29 | exatron | well obviously he can have interest in that...so wat shud he do acc to you if he did |
| 18:24.31 | araujo | also remember, mentors will ask you questions during the selection period |
| 18:24.31 | exatron | ? |
| 18:24.51 | araujo | even some orgs can arrange meetings with candidates and so on |
| 18:24.58 | dfighter | well I am very interested in 3d for example, but I haven't had time to get to 3d programming yet ( because I have other interests as well ) |
| 18:25.12 | dfighter | but then this is just a crude example, pretty perverted on purpose |
| 18:25.24 | dfighter | but you get the point I hope ^^ |
| 18:25.58 | dfighter | however I do have even experience with mmorpgs, adding new game features, etc, so that's why I applied to a project last year that does that |
| 18:26.09 | araujo | exatron, if he has interest on that , in my opinion, he should start learning then , and work hard for a proposal , also notice how some orgs even require example code during the approval period |
| 18:27.38 | araujo | but my tlk goes more directed to those students who probably has no the expertise, but has some knowledge , even just academic knowledge , but don't feel like ready to apply for a project .... which I think it is a good amount of students out there |
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| 18:28.41 | araujo | dfighter, you have other interests, that is reasonable , you feel more confident with those interests more likely too, and you will send a better proposal for them too |
| 18:29.03 | dfighter | well ofc since I have experience with them |
| 18:29.13 | weltall | hi neXyon |
| 18:29.19 | dfighter | if I wanted to start 3d now, I'd have to read lots of theory and do all the babysteps first |
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| 18:30.09 | neXyon | hi weltall, what's up? :D |
| 18:30.22 | weltall | ill :\ you? |
| 18:30.26 | dfighter | while in the other case I just have to read the source code and get acquinted with how the said org does things |
| 18:30.37 | dfighter | and then work |
| 18:33.37 | araujo | I just think that if a student is interested and motivated , even if he is not expert, he should go for it and send proposal |
| 18:34.04 | araujo | and .. be open to learn is good too |
| 18:34.13 | weltall | and be sure to not disappear it's something which gives a lot of trouble to the orgs |
| 18:34.24 | dfighter | well us geeks are always open to learn! :) |
| 18:34.58 | araujo | so not big deal, just go for it |
| 18:35.01 | weltall | we had one who refused to. told to put commit messages did it only one time :D |
| 18:35.07 | dfighter | lol |
| 18:35.47 | dfighter | weltall I see that in the open sauce world way too many times |
| 18:35.52 | dfighter | altough usually from wannabes |
| 18:35.56 | dfighter | not from serious people |
| 18:36.23 | dfighter | after all you type those messages for yourself too, in case you need to find the commit later :> |
| 18:36.27 | weltall | yeah i think i did a mistake to pass him overall |
| 18:36.53 | weltall | he wasn't exactly associated to me but i ended up mentoring him even if i wasn't his mentor |
| 18:37.03 | weltall | (yes mentors disappear too XD) |
| 18:37.15 | dfighter | lol |
| 18:37.21 | araujo | thinks he probably will apply for mentor this year |
| 18:37.43 | weltall | he ended up putting up excuses for delaying a fix which he never did |
| 18:38.06 | weltall | after 2 weeks at sending emails i was told he *went in vacation* and left the whole system broken |
| 18:38.37 | weltall | when he "came back" he sent me again the not working patch |
| 18:38.48 | dfighter | :\ |
| 18:38.57 | weltall | after 2 months i got tired to try to chase him and did it myself |
| 18:39.14 | dfighter | did you fail him at least? |
| 18:39.23 | weltall | updating the repo+code editing+ building+testing+committing 5 minutes |
| 18:39.49 | weltall | unfortunately i did the mistake to pass him with the flag set as the worst student i had to do with or w/e it was |
| 18:39.59 | dfighter | ah |
| 18:40.09 | weltall | this happened after the august deadline |
| 18:40.17 | dfighter | oh I see |
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| 18:40.24 | weltall | he promised to finish the things after the end of the program so i couldn't foresee that |
| 18:40.30 | weltall | plus it was the first year for us as an org |
| 18:40.44 | weltall | but the real mistake wasn't passing him |
| 18:40.59 | weltall | i think we failed even earlier at the selection process |
| 18:41.22 | weltall | there were two proposals with the same things probably the other one would have done better things |
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| 18:41.51 | weltall | so this year we will be more in depth on the selection |
| 18:42.00 | weltall | even though with 200 proposals it's difficult |
| 18:42.10 | neXyon | weltall: sry, yeah, been ill too the last two weeks :-/ but today is the first day I'm ok again; get well soon! |
| 18:42.23 | weltall | thanks :) |
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| 18:45.17 | weltall | this year i think i will use a bit more threats |
| 18:46.00 | weltall | about the pass/fail |
| 18:46.06 | weltall | if we are choosen |
| 18:46.18 | weltall | but i hope to be able to give extensive tests |
| 18:46.32 | weltall | so i get for sure good students willing to work |
| 18:46.38 | weltall | the others were quite good instead |
| 18:47.18 | dfighter | just lock them in a room, chained to a computer and threaten to withold their dry bread and water rations if they don't work |
| 18:47.37 | weltall | XD |
| 18:48.03 | weltall | btw how did the cheating problems end with gci? |
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| 18:48.45 | dfighter | has no clue |
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| 19:26.56 | carols | serves some tea and coffee |
| 19:27.02 | carols | is looking forward to belgian chocolate |
| 19:27.25 | gevaerts | is looking forward to fosdem in general :) |
| 19:27.43 | carols | yeah, me too :-) |
| 19:27.43 | carols | i leave in a few hours |
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| 19:28.20 | gevaerts | Make sure you have a nice flight! |
| 19:28.37 | carols | i will speak to the pilot about that :-) |
| 19:28.59 | gevaerts | That sounds like a good way :) |
| 19:29.07 | carols | i think so :-) |
| 19:33.26 | gevaerts | carols: if you're looking forward to chocolate, does that mean you're out of mentor summit chocolate already? :) |
| 19:34.10 | carols | gevaerts: i have been for a while, actually |
| 19:34.30 | gevaerts | Impressive! |
| 19:34.40 | carols | yeah, it was difficult |
| 19:36.00 | gevaerts | I'd have expected that lot to last at least two lifetimes |
| 19:38.28 | carols | well, some people went home with it too and might have some of their own :-) this was just my own personal stash |
| 19:39.00 | gevaerts | Right. I had forgotten that google has more people than just you :) |
| 19:39.07 | carols | in fact it does :-) |
| 19:39.15 | carols | much as sometimes it seems i am doing it all |
| 19:40.30 | weltall | hi carols ! |
| 19:40.35 | carols | hi weltall |
| 19:41.25 | meflin | I still have chocolate |
| 19:41.38 | weltall | i'd suggest to put the chocolate in a safe :P |
| 19:41.54 | meflin | I do otherwise it disappears |
| 19:42.15 | weltall | XD |
| 19:42.25 | gevaerts | Uneaten chocolate is bad chocolate! |
| 19:42.32 | carols | meflin: because you eat it? :-) |
| 19:42.39 | weltall | can be eaten later! |
| 19:42.50 | meflin | I do not live alone :) |
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