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06:11.58ComplexDomaini want to try for #gsoc this year
06:12.15ComplexDomainwhere can i start
06:14.03ComplexDomainmy earlier nick was techstein if anyone remembers
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11:11.11gevaertswonders if anyone here happens to be at fosdem and knows where carols is
11:11.21gevaertsI want to say hello!
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11:41.47weltallfollow the chocolate trail :D
11:42.10gevaertsI didn't see a chocolate trail!
11:42.24gevaertsAnd she wasn't at the fries stand when I was there :)
11:42.58weltallXD
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12:00.34spchalHi
12:02.20spchalI read about GSoC and I would like to take part in it this time. And I would like to work with Mozilla. I have started with some bug fixing in Mozilla Thunderbird. But how shall I make my way to GSoC?
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13:00.43techsteinspchal: gsoc is still not announced yet, so keep ure devwork for mozilla going
13:04.14spchalOk. Hope I can find out through the mailing list once it is announced
13:04.27techsteinyeah, that should be so
13:04.42techsteinme hoping the same.. :)
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13:05.50spchalIs there any criterion for contributions to be made?
13:06.43techsteinhmm.. i guess they any contribution u make should be non trivial and of use to the community
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13:09.24techsteinis back (gone 00:00:35)
13:09.33spchalOk..Apart from getting used to buiding a code, familiarizing with IRC and mailing lists, and learning the tools required for Mozilla source, is there something else that I must do as a pre-requisite?
13:09.47techsteinis away: Away
13:10.03techsteini dunno.. i am looking for that answer myself
13:10.27techsteini am looking into gnome-shell code
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13:10.45spchalOh.. Good.. All the best then! :)
13:11.28techsteinsame to you mate :)
13:12.29spchalThank you! What are you doing now?
13:13.31techsteinbuilding gnome3
13:13.48techsteinfor the first time
13:13.50techstein<PROTECTED>
13:14.20spchalOk
13:14.52techsteini have a question pertaining to irc clients
13:15.27spchalOh!
13:15.41spchalWhat is that?
13:15.56techsteinhow can i make a filter in XChat which will filter or atleast 'collapse' the '... so and so joined #' and '.... so and so disconnected'
13:16.19techsteinsometimes i find such info useless
13:16.47spchalSorry!No idea. :)
13:16.54techsteink
13:17.16techsteinspchal: where r u from?
13:17.20techsteinif i may ask
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15:15.33gevaertspings dberkholz to see if he isn't paying attention to irc when he should be doing other things ;)
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15:33.50dberkholzgevaerts: i'm here
15:34.08dberkholzwere you trying to heckle my talk via irc?
15:34.20gevaertsA bit, yes
15:34.30gevaertsI wasn't too hopeful though :)
15:34.41dberkholzi actually did have the window open, but hidden behind libreoffice
15:35.02Ivanovic|FOSDEMgevaerts: shame on you!
15:35.56gevaertsIvanovic|FOSDEM: if he'd had obnoxious audio notifications, he'd only havd had himself to blame! :)
15:36.49dberkholzi don't have irssi set up to do that
15:37.36gevaertsProbably smart :)
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15:39.06carolsserves some belgian chocolate
15:39.15gevaertswaves to carols
15:39.19carolshey gevaerts
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15:39.34carolsi bet you and i are close by each other :-)
15:39.50gevaertsThat might well be true!
15:40.05gevaertsI'm in H.1301 right now
15:40.12shadeslayerI thought belgium was famous for its waffles ...
15:40.21carolsah, well, I'm in the AW building, but that's pretty close
15:40.25dberkholzi'm in H.1302
15:40.27carolsare you coming to the gsoc BoF?
15:40.29dberkholznow that's close
15:40.33gevaertsWhen is it?
15:40.37dberkholzoh, when/where was that?
15:40.39carolsgevaerts: at 18:00
15:40.47carolsdberkholz: 18:00 in aw 115
15:40.49gevaertsI'll do my best!
15:40.54carolsawesome!
15:41.01carolswe have gsoc 2012 announcement flyers
15:41.02dberkholzi'll try, there's gentoo talks for the rest of the afternoon though
15:41.08carolssince the cat is out of the bag now :-)
15:41.20carolsdberkholz: aw, it's just a half hour…..
15:41.29gevaertsBah, you should have kept people waiting for another month!
15:41.50dberkholzcarols: is it? don't see anything in /topic =)
15:41.56carolsi was tempted
15:41.57dberkholz(re cats and bags)
15:42.09carolsdberkholz: ah, well, i'm changing everything after the BoF :-)
15:42.25carolsbut it was technically announced at the opening session this morning...
15:42.27gevaertsWe were getting good at explaining that there hadn't been an announcement about the date of the announcement yet! :)
15:42.58carolsgevaerts: yeah, and the students were getting good at asking when we'd decide if we'd decide
15:43.04gevaertshad too much fun last night to be able to attend the opening talk
15:43.26carolsoh, i see
15:43.33dberkholzi was busy losing my phone. don't suppose you have any spare galaxy nexi lying around, carols?
15:43.42carolsdberkholz: hmmm
15:43.46carolschecks her bag
15:43.52carolsno spares here, unfortunately
15:44.01dberkholzor even in mtv
15:44.05gevaertsOnly the five you need yourself? :)
15:44.05carolsi'm sorry you lost your phone, dberkholz :-(
15:44.27dberkholzconsidering a non-subsidized smartphone will run me $500, i'd be happy to wait if you had such a thing
15:44.40carolsdberkholz: let's discuss options off line.
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15:45.51dberkholzwfm
15:46.27carolsmore incentive for you to come to the bof :-)
15:46.43dberkholzrofl, i was just thinking that
15:47.10gevaertscarols: what do you think of fosdem so far?
15:47.17carolsgevaerts: it's very cold
15:47.29gevaertsIt is a bit, yes :)
15:47.33carolsi couldn't ride a bike because it was snowing :-(
15:48.06carolsthe conference is very nice, everyone here has been very welcoming and the topics of the sessions have all been interesting
15:48.16carolsdberkholz and Nightrose both gave excellent talks
15:48.35dberkholzi wish there were a bit more interactivity
15:49.10gevaertsnods
15:49.15carolsdberkholz: was the party last night not interactive?
15:49.24carolsor do you mean in the sessions?
15:49.26dberkholzlol, i mean during the talks
15:49.45gevaertsYou went to the beer event?
15:49.47dberkholzi prefer talks that are almost moderated discussions w/ slides
15:50.20carolsdberkholz: i do too, actually. i like that when i give my "7 habits of highly ineffective project managers" talk
15:50.27carolsgevaerts: i didn't, but dberkholz did
15:50.47gevaertsWe (i.e. me and three more rockbox people) had a look and decided to go elsewhere
15:50.51dberkholzyeah, i hung out with some gentoo/sabayon/exherbo guys there
15:50.54gevaertsToo busy :)
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15:51.19dberkholzi wasn't going to stay that long, but sejo gave me 4 tokens when i walked in the door
15:51.27weltallhi carols
15:51.34weltallenjoying our cold front :D
15:51.37carolshi weltall
15:51.44carolsyes, it's quite…affronting
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15:52.27gevaertschanges rooms
15:52.29weltall^^
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15:53.39dberkholzhmm, i need to hop over to the xorg devroom for a bit
15:53.47*** topic/#gsoc by carols -> Google Summer of Code 2012 has started! You can check out the timeline: http://goo.gl/FQb2b and the FAQs: http://goo.gl/Lh4R8 for more information.
15:53.53carolsthere you go, dberkholz
15:53.56carolsfor you.
15:54.28weltallnice
15:54.29weltall:D
15:54.59dberkholz<3 carols
15:55.03carols:-)
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15:55.44weltallthe cold front didn't freeze up the proceedings lucky enough :D
15:55.53weltall*hides*
15:58.22dfighterw00t! cheers!
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16:00.32gevaertscarols: actually, I had this suspicion of an announcement this weekend as soon as you mentioned you would be here :)
16:00.43carolsgevaerts: you did, did you? :-)
16:00.53carolsyou think i didn't just want to come to fosdem on my own?
16:00.59weltallyou were peeking top secret papers? :)
16:01.02gevaertsWell, it's been announced at fosdem before
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16:02.26gevaertscarols: I'm sure you want to come to fosdem on your own! That doesn't mean we can't speculate though :)
16:02.36carolsi see, i seee
16:02.38weltallXD
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16:04.47gevaertsSeriously though, the gsoc timeline is clearly the way it is because gsoc has to be announced at LCA or fosdem. It has *nothing* to do with US summer periods or the weather in Zurich
16:06.50carolsright, of course.
16:06.55carolsthat's exactly how it works.
16:07.01haseebHi carols
16:07.05carolshi haseeb
16:07.18haseebHow you doing? Its been long
16:07.24carolsi'm fine, thanks. how are you?
16:08.06haseebI am fine. Thank you
16:08.46ThomasWaldmannyay
16:09.24ThomasWaldmannjust read the topic
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16:36.05subhwhat are the things we can discuss here
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16:37.54techsteingr8! gsoc has been announced
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16:38.30techsteini am new to gsoc and i wanted to know whether is it possible to read the proposals of previous students
16:38.47techsteinso as to get an idea
16:38.58gevaertstechstein: yes and no
16:39.04techsteinof the kind of work done in gsoc
16:39.23gevaertsSome of them are marked "public", which means that if you have the URL you can get at it
16:39.36techsteinok..
16:39.47techsteinso how do i find the public ones
16:40.03gevaertsThat's where the "no" of "yes and no" comes in :)
16:40.09gevaertsSome organisations publish accepted proposals
16:40.26techsteini c
16:40.42techsteinso could u provide me some links to proposals
16:40.57techsteini want to get an idea of the kind and extent of work done
16:41.06techsteinand whether i would be up to it
16:41.23ThomasWaldmannboth will vary widely
16:41.27dberkholzit varies by organization and student, so that's hard
16:41.35gevaertshttp://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/projects/list/google/gsoc2011 has a list of last year's projects, but without much detail
16:41.45techsteinya i have seen that
16:42.04dberkholzjust imagine what you could do in 40 hours a week for 3 months
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16:43.42techsteinis it okay if u just know how to tinker with pc(compile a few softwares etc)
16:43.52ThomasWaldmanntechstein: i think the best thing you can do now (if not already done) is to get in contact with some FOSS orgs and just try to begin contributing.
16:44.46techsteini wanna contribute to gnome3
16:44.54techsteini really love its interface
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16:45.07ThomasWaldmannwell, you should have development skills. it is summer of code, not summer of installing. :)
16:45.15techstein:)
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16:45.39techsteini think i have them
16:46.24techsteini would be gr8 if someone could guide me in initial steps
16:47.01ThomasWaldmannwell, get in contact with gnome org, find out whether they intend to do SOC this year, join their irc channel and mailing list.
16:47.16techsteini am on their irc
16:47.29techsteinand have joined gnome-love mailing list
16:48.03dfightertechstein it's not really a question of thinking imo, it's fairly simple. Have you developed software or not?
16:48.07dotnicktechstein: I think you should be asking this in their channel :)
16:48.46techsteinjust hobbyist kind of development i have done
16:49.04techsteinwhen the gnome3 compilation will be complete on my pc
16:49.11techsteinill try to do some bug fixing
16:49.28ThomasWaldmannthat's always a good start
16:49.37dfightertechstein Im pretty sure John Carmack started game programming as a hobby so that might be enough :P
16:49.55dfighterbut the point is that you need to code for the program
16:49.59dfighternot just compile and stuff
16:50.14subhk
16:50.17techsteinyeah.. like i said.. ill try to do some bug fixing
16:50.21dfighter:)
16:50.32subhok
16:50.38dfighterthat's the spirit!
16:50.58subhme too intrstd in bug fixing
16:51.25subhm J.A fan
16:52.03techsteinbut it wont be until 2morrow
16:52.37techsteincoz i still have 180 modules to compile
16:53.27dfighterwell you have 2 months to come up with a proposal and submit it, that is if Gnome participates this year and gets accepted
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16:56.03Dipendram interested to work on information retreival
16:56.25subhits gud sign u r interested n clear about ur organization
16:56.36Dipendraohhhhh  thanks
16:56.36techsteinisnt it a bit too overstatement to question the acceptance of an org like gnome
16:56.58subhDipendra have u seen any organization for dat
16:57.03Dipendrano dear
16:57.13Dipendrabut m searching for that
16:57.22Dipendrado u know any org......
16:57.28subhall d bst for gsoc 2012
16:57.38Dipendrasame 2 u......
16:57.50subhthanx dipendra nice to meet u
16:57.54Dipendrawhich org u r looking 4........
16:58.10Dipendrahav u planed earlier
16:58.14subhi want to go for networking/security org
16:58.20Dipendragud
16:58.41Dipendraso hav u talked any of org related 2 this
16:58.58subhyeah i contacted J.A.
16:59.06Dipendrawhat......
16:59.08dfighterinteresting Dipendra, and subh have the same IP, and use the same broken SMS English.
16:59.13Dipendrai didn't get
16:59.21dfightertechstein you never know
17:00.11subhwe r newbie in studying in same institute
17:00.42dfighterusing the same broken SMS English?
17:00.45dfighterinteresting
17:01.09dotnickWhy would.. I don't even…
17:01.41techsteindotnick: u have ipv6 address!!
17:01.51dotnickLike a boss.
17:01.53dotnick:)
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17:08.31subhis NMAP participating this year ??
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17:18.37dfighterdotnick, hmm? you could have just asked me ;P
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17:19.05dotnickdfighter: ask what?
17:19.18dfightermy client version and the time here
17:19.44dotnickhaha, playing with the new client :)
17:19.57dfighter;)
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17:41.42brlcadwoo hoo, great news
17:43.15yottabitbrlcad: what's that?
17:43.28yottabitthat gsoc 2012 has started?
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17:44.00brlcadyottabit: exactly
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18:28.00jishangirasHello ?
18:28.08calibwamHi!
18:28.14smagninhi !
18:28.29jishangirasso when was it officially announced ?
18:28.41calibwamA couple of hours ago, I guess?
18:28.42BK1i think it was today
18:28.49jishangirasoh thats good
18:28.53calibwamhttp://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2012/02/google-summer-of-code-2012-is-on.html
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18:31.20calibwamLots of you done SoC before?
18:32.00BK1it'll be the first time for mw
18:32.08BK1..that is if i get through
18:33.42calibwamIs it that hard to get accepted, I really can't find a number of applicants..
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18:35.31techsteini am new for gsoc too..
18:36.41BK1i'm not sure of how "hard" it truly is.. but IMO, it's a bit intimidating for first timers.
18:37.11calibwamYeah, I really have no idea just what I'm should do.
18:37.43ThomasWaldmannyou can always get in touch with FOSS projects, you don't have to wait
18:38.27ThomasWaldmannand if you get in touch early, you already have a slight advantage over people coming last minute
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18:41.41weltallexactly
18:41.50weltalland you can gain also experience
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19:18.54sidkarwalHi Guys
19:20.27pvivekhi
19:21.13sidkarwalvivek, what languages do you use ?
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19:23.37pviveksidkarwal : depends on what i want to do. currently coding something in python
19:24.33sidkarwalpvivek, awesome .. i would love to learn python. can you suggest some resources
19:25.42pviveksidkarwal: http://docs.python.org/tutorial/ if you want the 3.x version google you'll find many resources
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19:26.06sakthisidkarwal, learn python the hard way, dive into python
19:26.42SITZHello Everyone!
19:26.47sidkarwalpvivek, already doing that.
19:27.20SITZI'm graduating this year (2012). So, am I eligible to participate in this year gsoc ?
19:27.41sidkarwalsakthi, yea .. planning something like that .. as soon my college ends. It will be me and languages 24x7
19:28.42SITZcarols: ?
19:28.50carolsSITZ: how can i help?
19:28.59SITZcarols: I'm graduating this year (2012). So, am I eligible to participate in this year gsoc ?
19:29.21carolsSITZ: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs#middle
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19:30.10SITZoh... awesome... Seems like I am eligible. Thanks :)
19:30.18carolsyw
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19:40.12techsteini want to learn emacs as it is really powerful..
19:40.25techsteinbut one issue is stopping me from using ti
19:40.28techsteinhttp://stackoverflow.com/questions/9143606/emacs-swap-the-ctrl-and-alt-key-within-emacs
19:40.40techsteincould anyone provide an answer to my question
19:42.00carolstechstein: i don't think this is really the right forum for your question, sorry.
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21:09.56frewsxcvhow does one sign up GSOC 2012?
21:12.32weltallwait some months
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21:16.52frewsxcvoh, is it not available yet?
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21:20.00ankurgelCurrently mentor organizations will apply with their project listing.
21:20.09ankurgelThen it will be opened for students to propose.
21:20.20ankurgelCheck out the event calendar on melange.
21:20.24ankurgelIt's all there. :)
21:20.34ankurgelfrewsxcv, ^ this
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21:35.44qheadenHi eveyrone. I just want to confirm that the students submit their proposals between March 12 and March 25? That's what it seems to look like on the calendar.
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21:44.07dotnickqheaden: If I'm not mistaken student proposals begin on the 26th of March
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21:45.05mmadia!timeline
21:45.05gsocbotmmadia: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gci/events/google/gci2011
21:45.57mmadia!forget timeline
21:45.58gsocbotmmadia: The operation succeeded.
21:46.03mmadia!learn timeline http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2012
21:46.04gsocbotmmadia: (learn [<channel>] <key> as <value>) -- Associates <key> with <value>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. The word 'as' is necessary to separate the key from the value. It can be changed to another word via the learnSeparator registry value.
21:46.08mmadia!learn timeline as http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2012
21:46.09gsocbotmmadia: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2012
21:46.12mmadia!timeline
21:46.13gsocbotmmadia: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2012
21:47.23mmadiayes, according to the timeline the students can start submitting the proposals via melange on March 26.
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21:48.07mmadiahowever, the students can start talking with organizations and begin planning their proposals as soon as the accepted mentoring orgs are announced on the 16th.
21:50.59qheadenThanks for the information.
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22:12.13platzhirschmmadia: Why is it called proposal? I thought it is more like applying for a project which is offered by an organization
22:13.36weltallnope
22:13.42weltallyou do a proposal to the organization
22:13.44weltallthis isn't gci
22:14.05weltallthey give ideas but it's the student duty to make a full proposal
22:15.16platzhirschweltall: oh okay, well that's really great, requires a lot of effort and interest into the project :)
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22:15.43weltalldefinitely
22:15.53weltallalso different orgs might even require additional tasks
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22:19.15X-tonicHow do i find what are the tentative projects an organization is likely to offer?
22:20.09mmadiagoogle  "google summer of code 2012 ideas"
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22:20.46mmadiait's common for orgs to prepare a rough draft of ideas, even before Google Summer of Code is announced.
22:20.58mmadiae.g., http://dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/GoogleSummerOfCodeIdeas
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22:46.43shaprGreetings! I've heard a rumor that GSoC does not accept documentation oriented projects, is that correct? If so, could I get an url for further documentation of that?
22:47.06shaproh right: http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs#documentation
22:48.11shaprHm, I want to write demo code and tutorials for existing libraries, would that count as documentation only?
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23:07.33apertureOh, so it's started. yay!
23:08.29apertureMy 18th birthday is May 8th. Code projects don't actually start until later than that. Is there any reason the cutoff date is where it is? :/ Otherwise I don't think I can do #gsoc
23:08.50mmadia!faq
23:08.51gsocbotmmadia: "faq" is http://www.google-melange.com/gci/events/google/gci2011
23:09.03mmadia!forget faq
23:09.03gsocbotmmadia: The operation succeeded.
23:09.08mmadia!learn faq as http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs
23:09.09gsocbotmmadia: "faq" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs
23:09.11mmadia!faqs
23:09.37shaprIs there any problem with a former GSoC mentor applying as a student?
23:10.28mmadiaaperture -- according to http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs#age_restrictions , "You must be 18 years of age or older on or before April 23, 2012".
23:10.49apertureyes I did notice that. :( I'm curious as to why that is.
23:11.45apertureI see that's the time of accepted student proposals.
23:12.14apertureSo I suppose that's the time the project actaully starts, not May 21st?
23:13.21platzhirschI am afraid they just had to choose some date
23:14.28mmadiai would imagine it has a legal basis, as that's when they're essentially accepting you as a worker/contractor/something-like-that.
23:14.54apertureA shame. I did do Google code in though, so I suppose I can't really double-dip the google experience, can I? ;)
23:15.15dotnickSure you can, come back next year :)
23:16.37aperturemhm, and good luck to both students and mentors this year!
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23:18.05dotnickaperture: Even though you can't participate in this year's soc, you can still contribute to an open source project on your own. I bet it will greatly increase your chances for next year ;)
23:18.14GoshAre canadian highschool students allowed to participate?
23:18.58mmadia!faqs
23:19.01mmadia!faq
23:19.02gsocbotmmadia: "faq" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs
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23:20.30Gosh?
23:20.56_wolf_yay
23:21.14dotnickGosh: the answers to all the questions in the universe are over at that link
23:21.31shaprdotnick: So, no problem with a former GSoC mentor applying as a student, as long as I'm not both at the same time, right?
23:22.32GoshI've been looking and can't find it..
23:22.49_wolf_shapr, yes and as long as the community agrees it's ok
23:22.53shaprok, fair enough.
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23:23.01_wolf_In OSGeo we had such a case a few years ago
23:23.28shaprexcellent
23:23.50shaprI took a small fifteen year break from college...
23:24.32dotnickshapr: gsoc made you go back? :)
23:24.54shaprdotnick: Hm, sort of ...
23:30.05shaprdotnick: I've been active in the highly academic haskell.org community for about ten years, without any sort of degree. I was a GSoC mentor for several years, figured I could probably swing a degree after all.
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23:31.59dotnicktips his hat to shapr
23:32.13shapr:-)
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23:45.41lmatteishello
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23:46.25lmatteiswhat is needed for one to propose development to be made for a project?
23:46.35lmatteisnot as a student but as a mentor
23:47.13meflinget the sign-off from the project in question
23:47.29lmatteisi am the project owner
23:47.48meflinin your case the mentor should talk to you then
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23:48.48ThomasWaldmannlmatteis: as a project, you need to apply and provide ideas, see timeline
23:49.11lmatteisThomasWaldmann: where is the timeline to be seen?
23:49.21ThomasWaldmannin the channel topic
23:50.14meflin2011 one of our slots the student made there own proposal
23:50.43novakjis it possible to work on your own project as a part of gsoc?  i am a grad student and have my own project that ive been working on for several years.  i assume it is not possible, but i didn't see this listed in the faq.
23:51.12araujonovakj, they have had a set of very very limited slots for cases like yours
23:51.30araujoin previous years
23:51.36araujoprobably possible for this year too
23:51.40meflinmight be best to find a n unbrella org to take you
23:52.00novakji see - so it shoudl be possible at least to apply then?
23:52.09araujonovakj, more likely yes
23:52.17araujonovakj, you would still need a mentor though
23:52.17lmatteisi was just wondering if i could get any students working on my project
23:52.19novakjok thanks very much for the feedback!
23:52.46araujonovakj, for example, if your project is about researching or something, you can find a professor to be your mentor, and so on
23:52.59novakjah i see.  like my thesis adviser for instance?
23:53.03araujoread the guidelines about it
23:53.06araujoyes
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23:53.19novakjok great, thanks!
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