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| 00:42.55 | thebolt | m_orning |
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| 01:15.37 | ASKoning | hi |
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| 01:16.04 | ASKoning | I was wondering if I could participate? (18years old, Holland) |
| 01:16.17 | mmadia | !eligible | ASKoning |
| 01:16.17 | gsocbot | ASKoning: "eligible" is Follow this handy flowchart to see if you are eligible http://goo.gl/kvCSv (text version at http://goo.gl/ImfNT) |
| 01:18.59 | ASKoning | ah come on |
| 01:19.11 | ASKoning | apr 25 1993 |
| 01:19.17 | ASKoning | i was born okt 04 1993 |
| 01:19.25 | ASKoning | im still 18 |
| 01:20.12 | mmadia | hmmm, those links should be updated for 2012. |
| 01:20.34 | MatthewWilkes | mmadia: Good shout |
| 01:20.37 | MatthewWilkes | !forget eligible |
| 01:20.37 | gsocbot | MatthewWilkes: The operation succeeded. |
| 01:20.41 | MatthewWilkes | !learn eligible as http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs#eligibility |
| 01:20.42 | gsocbot | MatthewWilkes: "eligible" is http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs#eligibility |
| 01:20.43 | mmadia | http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs#eligibility "be 18 years of age or older on or before April 23, 2012 to be eligible to participate in Google Summer of Code in 2012." |
| 01:21.08 | thebolt | hi MatthewWilkes , up late? :) |
| 01:21.21 | mmadia | ... i managed to update most of them earlier in the day though :) |
| 01:21.34 | MatthewWilkes | thebolt: Yep :P |
| 01:21.38 | MatthewWilkes | Had a 5 hour nape earlier… |
| 01:21.55 | MatthewWilkes | nap, even |
| 01:22.11 | ASKoning | YAY |
| 01:22.16 | ASKoning | I can participate |
| 01:22.59 | MatthewWilkes | thebolt: Been watching the TNG BluRay |
| 01:23.25 | thebolt | hehe, i see :) |
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| 01:23.47 | MatthewWilkes | I was so tempted to come into here earlier and open with: "I am here… to challenge the lies that have been spoken about my father!" |
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| 01:24.54 | ASKoning | lol |
| 01:25.19 | thebolt | anyone lied about your father? ;) |
| 01:25.20 | dfighter | picks up some pain sticks and looks at MatthewWilkes suggestively |
| 01:25.34 | ASKoning | So anyway can I as a student join like a random project, thats started in a diffrent country? And like work with a team foundation server? |
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| 01:25.49 | MatthewWilkes | thebolt: He wasn't responsible for the khitomer massacre |
| 01:25.57 | mmadia | books a flight to Rura Penthe for MatthewWilkes. |
| 01:25.59 | dfighter | ASKoning why don't you read the FAQ |
| 01:26.02 | dfighter | ? |
| 01:26.08 | dfighter | it explains everything |
| 01:26.14 | dfighter | but the short answer is no |
| 01:26.24 | MatthewWilkes | ASKoning: All projects happen remotely, over the internet, if that's what you're asking |
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| 01:29.51 | ASKoning | WHY |
| 01:29.57 | ASKoning | do I have to live in the netherlands |
| 01:30.15 | ASKoning | where theres no programming education |
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| 01:31.51 | dfighter | ASKoning I'm sure you have distant learning options in a nearby college.. |
| 01:32.42 | ASKoning | yea we have learning options |
| 01:32.56 | ASKoning | but it's like HTML / php basics and thats it |
| 01:32.59 | ASKoning | also visual basic |
| 01:33.16 | ASKoning | and the teachers dont know what they are talking about and are just reading from a manual |
| 01:33.38 | dfighter | that doesn't sound like college... |
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| 01:33.45 | ASKoning | it is |
| 01:33.56 | ASKoning | http://www.a12.nl/ |
| 01:35.14 | MatthewWilkes | ASKoning: No programming education is rather common, the UK has only just chosen to bring it in |
| 01:35.36 | ASKoning | gegh |
| 01:35.39 | MatthewWilkes | ASKoning: In a piece of discrete mathematics work I once got the mark "100% I believe you" |
| 01:36.01 | ASKoning | haha |
| 01:37.32 | dfighter | ASKoning I don't speak Dutch tbh, but according to Google translate, that institution provides vocational training |
| 01:37.59 | dfighter | I was speaking of Bs/Ba level distant learning, not this :P |
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| 01:38.41 | ASKoning | so what you are saying is |
| 01:38.45 | ASKoning | this is too low of a level? |
| 01:38.52 | ASKoning | low level education? |
| 01:39.49 | MatthewWilkes | ASKoning: Most people that apply are at university, but the programme explicitly allows pre-university and other educational forms. If your place of education is recognised by the state it's fine |
| 01:39.50 | dfighter | well that depends what you compare it to, it's not low level compared to elementary school |
| 01:39.59 | MatthewWilkes | dfighter: Stop being a dick |
| 01:40.08 | MatthewWilkes | ;) |
| 01:40.32 | dfighter | MatthewWilkes that wasn't my intent tbh |
| 01:41.03 | ASKoning | dfigther: I sirously come in everyday, sit down open my laptop and we do nothing |
| 01:41.08 | ASKoning | 6hrs a day |
| 01:41.29 | ASKoning | its so depressing |
| 01:41.43 | ASKoning | so I try to follow tutorials etc |
| 01:41.54 | MatthewWilkes | dfighter: One of the serious problems in higher education is that people conflate academia and vocational training, partly due to the attitude of there being a rigid hierarchy of what's better than what else |
| 01:42.48 | MatthewWilkes | dfighter: Comparing vocational training favourably to elementary school sounds (at least to my ears) as sarcastic, and part of that problem. |
| 01:43.47 | MatthewWilkes | dfighter: Especially for courses like… say… hospitality, a vocational course makes a lot more sense immediately. More relevantly, Software Engineering vocational courses would be a boon to the industry, as CS often turns out people that know algorithms but have no idea how to code apps |
| 01:44.19 | MatthewWilkes | that's part of the reason that GSoC exists, because cdibona noticed the problem and is trying to supplement the education sector with some real world knowledge |
| 01:45.06 | dfighter | MatthewWilkes I never said anything about vocational training being unneccessary or anything like that |
| 01:45.15 | dfighter | and actually I agree with your point about CS |
| 01:45.30 | dfighter | the same problem exists here ( Hungary ) |
| 01:46.26 | dfighter | but then it's a country where even a cleaning lady needs a Ba/Bs at least with 2 foreign languages if she wants a (relatively) well paid job |
| 01:46.51 | MatthewWilkes | dfighter: I'm sorry for jumping to conclusions, it's just how that comment sounded to me. For what it's worth, I was trying to make a friendly admonition that it sounded bad, not cause an argument. Language barriers can be a problem :) |
| 01:47.19 | dfighter | no worries :) |
| 01:48.08 | dfighter | I was simply trying ( and actually did ) suggest ASKoning to look for Bs/Ba level distant learning options if he/she doesn't have such education nearby and he/she is unwilling to travel and live in a dorm for x years |
| 01:48.28 | MatthewWilkes | dfighter: psh, can't be that hard… I have over a thousand HUF just lying around… they're the same value as dollars, right? :P |
| 01:48.41 | dfighter | since usually these vocational programs are not worth anything, even less than a usual theoretical CS stuff |
| 01:48.50 | dfighter | ( when it comes to actual coding ) |
| 01:49.09 | dfighter | MatthewWilkes that's like 4-5 dollars |
| 01:49.22 | dfighter | depends on how stupid our government was during the day :D |
| 01:49.34 | dfighter | if they say very stupid things, it's 5+ |
| 01:49.36 | dfighter | :P |
| 01:50.02 | MatthewWilkes | I just like it when the magnitudes are so different |
| 01:50.06 | MatthewWilkes | Zimbabwe is good for that |
| 01:50.32 | dfighter | well it's still better than our previous currency, the Pengo |
| 01:50.46 | dfighter | it suffered history's worst hyperinflation after WWII |
| 01:51.16 | ASKoning | does Higher Vocational Education excist? |
| 01:51.23 | dfighter | this is how much it was worth http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0e/Inflaci%C3%B3_utan_1946.jpg :D |
| 01:51.30 | ASKoning | im trying to translate what we educations in Holland |
| 01:52.20 | MatthewWilkes | whoo… "The largest denomination produced was 100 million b.-pengő (100 quintillion or 1020 pengő). The note was initially worth about US$ 0.20." |
| 01:52.27 | MatthewWilkes | 10^20, that is |
| 01:52.44 | dfighter | ASKoning isn't Holland part of the Bologna process of the EU? |
| 01:52.48 | MatthewWilkes | dfighter: The notes are prettier than Forints ;) |
| 01:53.03 | dfighter | yea MatthewWilkes I have some of those notes on my shelves |
| 01:53.24 | dfighter | my grandparent got his payment in those before my mom was born :D |
| 01:53.37 | dfighter | grandparents* |
| 01:53.44 | dfighter | eh nvm |
| 01:53.49 | dfighter | it's a bit late here :P |
| 01:53.52 | dfighter | 2:53am |
| 01:53.57 | ASKoning | same |
| 01:54.11 | dfighter | so my granparents got their payment in pengo, and I have some of those |
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| 01:55.15 | MatthewWilkes | I got a 0.02 GBP coin today that looked nice and old, checked and it had "New Pence" written on it, so was from not long after we adopted the decimal system |
| 01:57.10 | dfighter | ASKoning according to wikipedia Holland is indeed part of the Bologna process |
| 01:57.35 | dfighter | so then you should be familiar with the terms Bsc, Ba, etc |
| 01:57.45 | dfighter | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_the_Netherlands#Higher_Education |
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| 02:00.15 | dfighter | MatthewWilkes I have old HUF too |
| 02:00.17 | dfighter | even commie ones |
| 02:00.41 | dfighter | but they are very ugly tbh |
| 02:00.52 | ASKoning | "and schools adapted to pupils with a learning disability" |
| 02:00.53 | mmadia | !logos |
| 02:00.56 | mmadia | !logo |
| 02:00.56 | gsocbot | mmadia: "logo" is The GSoC logo is available from http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/GsocLogos |
| 02:01.03 | ASKoning | My school gets me depressed and suecidal |
| 02:02.14 | dfighter | so you probably want to go to a wo according to wikipedia |
| 02:02.35 | dfighter | ...and enjoy calculus and discrete math with the rest of us :D |
| 02:04.27 | ASKoning | HBO is good enough |
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| 02:05.54 | dfighter | ah yea, another page says they can award Bs/Ba too |
| 02:06.39 | dfighter | ok then it's not the same vocational education as in the anglo-saxon systems |
| 02:07.03 | ASKoning | but the worst thing is |
| 02:07.13 | dfighter | but then you said you don't like it, so it can't be that good |
| 02:07.13 | ASKoning | this is easier as high school |
| 02:07.22 | ASKoning | we do less, lower standards everything is even worse then high school |
| 02:07.37 | ASKoning | and you must have passed high school on a certain level to go there |
| 02:08.11 | ASKoning | teachers dont give a shit |
| 02:08.18 | ASKoning | underfunded everything |
| 02:11.02 | dfighter | look for something more challenging ^^ altough that is no guarantee for better programming education |
| 02:11.39 | dfighter | but at least you'd learn the theory, and then learn the practical things yourself ;) |
| 02:15.24 | ASKoning | well the Internship i've done was great |
| 02:15.59 | ASKoning | I was working with html / php & C# |
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| 02:16.06 | ASKoning | I was very innovative |
| 02:16.10 | ASKoning | and they gave me a refrence |
| 02:16.22 | ASKoning | C# / WPF* |
| 02:16.38 | hekate | what'd you build ASKoning? anything public? |
| 02:16.44 | ASKoning | yes |
| 02:17.06 | ASKoning | in C# an 'os' for old people |
| 02:17.22 | ASKoning | but I diddnt do much and what I did was very basic |
| 02:17.27 | ASKoning | baby steps |
| 02:17.40 | ASKoning | http://www.twigo.nl |
| 02:17.45 | ASKoning | product website |
| 02:17.52 | ASKoning | www.boomerweb.nl company website |
| 02:17.53 | ASKoning | I made both |
| 02:18.36 | hekate | cool, looks neat ASKoning |
| 02:18.53 | ASKoning | Boomerweb and Twigo are the 3rd/4th website I made in my life |
| 02:19.15 | ASKoning | I also did the design op Twigo.nl |
| 02:19.38 | ASKoning | now im working on www.tolk-russisch.nl |
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| 02:20.55 | ASKoning | and on the side im also exploring my(sql) and cms systems |
| 02:21.22 | techstein | hello, i would like to apply for gsoc |
| 02:21.25 | ASKoning | I started at the age of 14 making cheats for multiplayer games in visual basic |
| 02:21.42 | techstein | i have a requirement that i wish to work on |
| 02:22.19 | techstein | basically booting windows inside linux |
| 02:22.24 | techstein | and linux inside windows |
| 02:22.27 | techstein | how dod i do that |
| 02:22.30 | dfighter | techstein for the Nth time, applications aren't open yet, and also you apply on the GSOC site, for an org, not this IRC channel |
| 02:23.01 | techstein | dfighter: i am proposing an idea to the community |
| 02:23.57 | dfighter | I'm not totally sure where you are going with that |
| 02:24.17 | dfighter | but btw you can do what you asked with a virtual machine, they are quite commonly used nowadays |
| 02:24.27 | techstein | where am i going with what? |
| 02:24.47 | techstein | well, i know, i use vbox and vmware sometimes |
| 02:24.52 | dfighter | with your "proposal" to the community |
| 02:24.55 | techstein | but my requiremrnt is a bit more |
| 02:25.07 | techstein | i dont see any harm in proposing |
| 02:25.15 | techstein | coz i am a newbie |
| 02:25.21 | dfighter | I never said there was a harm in it :) |
| 02:25.48 | techstein | i have win and linux installed onmy pc |
| 02:26.35 | techstein | and i want to be able to use this installed linux inside my installed win and vice versa |
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| 02:27.01 | dfighter | you can do that with a virtual machine.... |
| 02:27.05 | techstein | basically i dont want to go on reinstalling and configuring applications |
| 02:27.34 | dfighter | altough with windows it's a bit trickier, but it has supported hardware profiles since like win95 |
| 02:27.59 | techstein | well, the main requiremnt is to run linux inside win |
| 02:28.15 | techstein | as of now |
| 02:28.34 | techstein | the vice versa part, i might need later |
| 02:28.41 | ASKoning | you can run |
| 02:28.41 | dfighter | as I said you can do that with a virtual machine, you can just add your Linux disk or partition as a virtual disk.. |
| 02:28.54 | mglb | techstein: try to use linux disk partition as system disk image in your virtual machine, idk how to do that, but its possible |
| 02:29.09 | ASKoning | Download VMWare player for free, then get Linux installation as ISO and you're done |
| 02:29.11 | ASKoning | for windows. |
| 02:29.27 | techstein | which virtualising software |
| 02:29.32 | techstein | vmware, or vbox |
| 02:29.36 | ASKoning | vmware |
| 02:29.48 | techstein | but wot abt the kernel and all |
| 02:30.01 | techstein | the kernel is specific to pc |
| 02:30.18 | mglb | no |
| 02:30.20 | techstein | for vmachine i guess it requires a different kernel |
| 02:30.25 | ASKoning | lol what are you trying to do? bypass some security? |
| 02:30.37 | mglb | most linux distributions include all possible drivers in the system |
| 02:30.48 | dfighter | well if it's a generic kernel with all modules, it will just load the right modules |
| 02:30.53 | techstein | no... simply want to accesss the linux installation inside win sometimes |
| 02:31.07 | techstein | say i want to use basic linux applications |
| 02:31.28 | mglb | what distribution do you use? |
| 02:31.35 | techstein | if i want more powerful apps ill reboot into that linux |
| 02:31.40 | techstein | i use win7 |
| 02:31.43 | techstein | and ubuntu |
| 02:31.58 | techstein | oneiric |
| 02:32.11 | mglb | ubuntu kernel is generic |
| 02:32.26 | techstein | so coulds u plz tell me how do i do that |
| 02:32.35 | techstein | or point me in some direction |
| 02:32.45 | hekate | there should be a bot that auto msgs every new person who joins with the reminder to check the FAQs or something |
| 02:32.51 | dfighter | well I've told you.... |
| 02:33.04 | dfighter | as for how to do it exactly read the manual of your virtual machine.. |
| 02:33.04 | hekate | because they keep asking the same questions, 99% of which are answerable by reading the Frequently Asked Questions |
| 02:33.14 | dfighter | hekate that's no news :P |
| 02:33.37 | dfighter | last year it was the same and I assume even earlier it was similar |
| 02:33.41 | techstein | i dont have licence for vmware actually.. |
| 02:33.48 | techstein | i can use vbox |
| 02:33.54 | techstein | or xen(?) |
| 02:34.09 | mglb | techstein: ask on virtualbox channel how to use linux disk partition as system disk in virtualbox |
| 02:34.14 | dfighter | vmware player is free as ASKoning has told you |
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| 02:34.58 | mglb | or /whois techstein |
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| 02:35.07 | mglb | ooops heh |
| 02:36.38 | techstein | i tried googling |
| 02:37.03 | techstein | but all that i can come up with is to install linux on a virtual drivee and use it inside win |
| 02:37.16 | techstein | which is not what i want |
| 02:37.32 | dfighter | [2012-2-6 03:33] <dfighter> as for how to do it exactly read the manual of your virtual machine.. |
| 02:38.46 | techstein | isnt this done already.... |
| 02:38.57 | techstein | someone should have a blog entry for it |
| 02:38.58 | techstein | :) |
| 02:39.17 | dfighter | picard-facepalm.jpg |
| 02:41.14 | techstein | ok.. is this a requirement of most people or i am unique in coming up with such a requirement. as in can i take up this task for gsoc if it hasnt been done |
| 02:42.07 | dfighter | gsoc is about coding, not setting up software |
| 02:42.22 | dfighter | you have to develop, extend, improve software |
| 02:42.23 | dfighter | with code |
| 02:42.30 | techstein | well, this would involve a good amount of coding |
| 02:42.43 | dfighter | not really... |
| 02:42.44 | techstein | its like develooping a software for virtualization |
| 02:43.21 | dfighter | as I've told you, you can add disk/partitions to virtual machines... |
| 02:43.31 | techstein | ok ill try it |
| 02:43.40 | dfighter | ( at least in vmware you can surely do that, since I've done it before ) |
| 02:45.49 | mglb | uh... http://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch09.html#rawdisk |
| 02:49.44 | ASKoning | im off to bed, bye |
| 02:49.54 | ASKoning | thanks for the information |
| 02:50.22 | techstein | thanks for the info.. g2g ... bye |
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| 02:57.56 | techstein | one more question: is it better to do it in xen(by learning it) or in vbox, whichwould give more performance |
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| 03:34.12 | cfoch3 | hi |
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| 03:35.43 | satalha | mimcpher: hey haha |
| 03:36.04 | mimcpher | satalha: ! |
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| 03:37.10 | satalha | satalha: lol what a nice surprise |
| 03:37.19 | satalha | mimcpher* |
| 03:37.49 | satalha | mimcpher: are you gonna be mentoring or something? |
| 03:39.47 | mimcpher | satalha: I just joined the channel to see what's going on. I have no immediate plans to be part |
| 03:40.20 | satalha | mimcpher: lol same here, i was pretty surprised to see your nick |
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| 03:48.00 | cfoch3 | hi |
| 03:48.03 | cfoch3 | excuse me |
| 03:48.22 | cfoch3 | do you have a list with the participants of the GSoC 2011? |
| 03:48.47 | cfoch3 | the open-sources projects in the GSoC 2011 |
| 03:49.00 | cfoch3 | i'd like to have a reference |
| 03:49.21 | techstein | http://google-melange.appspot.com/gsoc/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2011 |
| 03:49.34 | techstein | from this u can find projects too |
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| 03:53.44 | cfoch3 | thanks |
| 03:54.04 | techstein | ur welcome :) |
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| 07:17.51 | Ghost| | Hey everybody |
| 07:19.19 | weltall | hi |
| 07:20.00 | Ghost| | i just wanted to know how people outside the US receive their stipends |
| 07:23.05 | Ghost| | hey anyne? |
| 07:23.18 | weltallAnd | Sorry I cannot really help you a student talked about a sort of debit card but I don't know if it's the truth |
| 07:23.47 | weltallAnd | That won't help him get in gsoc... |
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| 07:28.14 | kblin | hmm |
| 07:28.16 | kblin | !stats |
| 07:28.16 | gsocbot | kblin: I have 2 registered users with 2 registered hostmasks; 1 owner and 0 admins. |
| 07:28.19 | kblin | ah |
| 07:28.48 | kblin | well, that can't be helped there |
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| 09:20.56 | _hsr | will there be any scope for php/javascript on gsoc ? |
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| 09:24.59 | pralex | _hsr: have you tried to look at GSoC 2011 projects? General scope should be the same. |
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| 09:25.42 | Ivanovic | _hsr: there can/might be some possibilities for this, too, though it always depends on the orgs, what they are looking for and what they can actually mentor as part of their project |
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| 09:40.07 | _hsr | hmm, so it could be done as a part of some main project ? |
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| 10:25.10 | exatron | hello everyone |
| 10:25.28 | exatron | is there any simple project on java to start as a beginner |
| 10:25.29 | exatron | ? |
| 10:25.51 | exatron | assuming i only know java language |
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| 10:35.56 | kai | exatron: you could have a look at last year's mentoring orgs |
| 10:36.11 | kai | I think most of them had their accepted languages as tags |
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| 10:36.24 | exatron | those which i have been through are very high level projects |
| 10:36.43 | exatron | its very difficult for me to find out which one is the right one and easy to catch up |
| 10:37.19 | kai | most of them would have beginning projects, I think, just talk to the developers of the projects |
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| 10:38.42 | exatron | ok... thnx |
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| 10:40.02 | prateek | hello |
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| 10:42.20 | papri | check |
| 10:42.31 | garnier | hi |
| 10:42.34 | garnier | kya kar raha hai |
| 10:43.34 | kais58 | at what point does a student have to commit to doing a project? |
| 10:45.27 | pralex | kais58: http://goo.gl/FQb2b. It's a timeline, maybe the answer is there. |
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| 10:46.41 | thiago | kais58: when you submit the project |
| 10:46.45 | thiago | any project can be accepted |
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| 10:52.56 | harshvardhan | can anyone please suggest some prerequisits for total newbies to get into gsoc?? |
| 10:55.03 | MatthewWilkes | harshvardhan: An ability to read existing documentation |
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| 11:13.05 | kais58 | so students submit oproejct and mentors accept them? I thought it was the other way around? |
| 11:14.08 | MatthewWilkes | kais58: It's the other way around for GCI. Mentoring orgs will provide lists of project ideas that they are likely to accept, but you still have to write a detailed proposal, and your own ideas are welcome |
| 11:14.34 | kais58 | ok, that makes sense |
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| 11:28.32 | Ivanovic | kais58: the proposal from the org/mentors is (in case of gsoc) just a very rough idea with some basics encouraging the student to become active and get the own idea in |
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| 11:39.29 | kai | durnit |
| 11:40.27 | kai | so many new cool features in python 2.7 unittest and a lot of stable distros are stuck lower than that |
| 11:44.25 | MatthewWilkes | kai: Use unittest2? |
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| 11:47.30 | ThomasWaldmann | or py.test 2? |
| 11:48.16 | kai | MatthewWilkes: ah, didn't know that one, great stuff |
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| 11:51.31 | kai | ThomasWaldmann: I'm using nosetest so far, because that also does coverage analysis and all that |
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| 11:54.50 | MatthewWilkes | Python has a million and one test runners, the nice thing about unittest2 is that it backports the newer unittest features without giving you bonus things like Yet Another Testrunner |
| 11:55.33 | MatthewWilkes | from a quick look at the docs it's not actually giving you the right features, anyway |
| 11:55.53 | kai | hm? |
| 11:56.03 | MatthewWilkes | it has pytest.raises rather than pytest.TestCase.assertRaises |
| 11:56.10 | MatthewWilkes | or whatever their internal conventions are |
| 11:56.28 | MatthewWilkes | so you can't do a conditional import and fall back onto the std lib unittest like you can with unittest2 |
| 11:56.43 | kai | ah, py.test |
| 11:56.49 | MatthewWilkes | with self.assertRaises(ValueError): is my favourite thing in unittest |
| 11:56.51 | MatthewWilkes | yeah, sorry |
| 11:57.49 | ashwin | hi |
| 11:58.30 | kai | unittest2 looks pretty interesting, thanks for that pointer |
| 12:00.11 | kai | and, for some reason my virtualenv already has it installed |
| 12:00.22 | kai | wonder which of my packages pulled it in :) |
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| 12:07.55 | MatthewWilkes | kai: It's quite a popular one, I always use it |
| 12:09.39 | kai | MatthewWilkes: yeah, looking at the 2.7 unittest docs, I totally see why :) |
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| 12:11.41 | MatthewWilkes | kai: I'm working with Python2.4 code today |
| 12:11.47 | MatthewWilkes | makes it feel almost bearable |
| 12:12.28 | kblin | :) |
| 12:12.37 | MatthewWilkes | I usually have to work to Python 2.6, the thing I miss most there is set and dict comprehensions |
| 12:12.38 | kblin | oh, wrong window |
| 12:12.42 | MatthewWilkes | :( |
| 12:12.52 | kai | I meant to use that on :) |
| 12:12.56 | kai | *one |
| 12:13.10 | kai | that's the one downside of having switched to bitlbee |
| 12:13.29 | kai | if I want to use IM, I need to log into my shell account |
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| 12:14.44 | kai | but at work I join a different set of channels |
| 12:15.02 | kai | anyway, thanks for the tip |
| 12:15.40 | kai | that saves me from reimplementing assertMultiLineEqual |
| 12:16.55 | MatthewWilkes | kai: Which of course is the default for pairs of strings in assertEqual, so it becomes just an import switch |
| 12:17.08 | kai | yeah |
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| 12:19.40 | rajaneesh | hello |
| 12:20.00 | rajaneesh | Where do I find the list of projects on GSOC? |
| 12:20.17 | techstein | !faq |
| 12:20.17 | gsocbot | techstein: "faq" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs |
| 12:21.10 | kai | MatthewWilkes: hm, interesting |
| 12:22.29 | MatthewWilkes | kai: ? |
| 12:23.41 | kai | MatthewWilkes: doesn't seem to work for assertEqual |
| 12:24.15 | rajaneesh | FAQ does not seem to specify the area of works... |
| 12:24.36 | calibwam | Look at last years accepted projects |
| 12:25.09 | kai | rajaneesh: this year's mentoring orgs haven't been announced yet |
| 12:25.18 | thiago | they haven't applied yet |
| 12:25.19 | MatthewWilkes | kai: You sure you have unittest2 test cases, not unittest ones? |
| 12:26.08 | kai | MatthewWilkes: my import lines are "try: import unittest2 as unittest; except ImportError: import unittest" |
| 12:26.20 | kai | but assertMultiLineEqual works |
| 12:26.32 | kai | so it should be a unittest2 testcase |
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| 12:28.19 | rajaneesh | thanks.. |
| 12:28.26 | kai | and pyflakes is stupid |
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| 12:43.22 | kai | oh well, even if I explicitly use unittest2, it doesn't seem to use assertMultiLineEqual |
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| 12:47.37 | kai | not even if I use unit2 to run the tests.. weird |
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| 19:13.30 | allman | hi all. |
| 19:13.41 | smagnin | hi allman |
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| 19:16.13 | shadeslayer | allman: Thought you might want to checkout http://dot.kde.org/2012/02/05/kde-development-%E2%80%93-beginners-guide |
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| 19:18.01 | allman | Nice! I love how you all wrote and edited a book in 3+ days! Amazing effort! |
| 19:18.47 | shadeslayer | We were stunned you can write a book in 3 days as well |
| 19:19.23 | shadeslayer | Took us more time to get the article out though, primarily because all of us got busy with our exams |
| 19:20.23 | allman | Being effectively locked in a room together for a week helps keep everyone on task ;-) |
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| 19:34.51 | shadeslayer | allman: hahaha true that |
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| 20:33.04 | rt | programming experience is needed to apply for gsoc? |
| 20:33.23 | Catfish_Man | yes |
| 20:33.35 | Catfish_Man | how much is debatable, but "not none" |
| 20:34.12 | thiago | you'll be asked to accomplish a coding task |
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| 20:34.16 | rt | i dont have experience on realtime projects |
| 20:34.23 | thiago | when it starts, you're supposed to start working |
| 20:34.26 | thiago | not learning how to code |
| 20:34.41 | rt | i normally write programs in my lab |
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| 20:35.22 | LinusT | rt: Where are you in your education? |
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| 20:36.04 | rt | i am in b.Pharm |
| 20:36.11 | rt | graduation |
| 20:36.15 | thiago | pharmacy? |
| 20:36.21 | rt | yes |
| 20:36.41 | rt | but insterested in coding with mathematics background |
| 20:37.01 | LinusT | rt: Have you had much opportunity to code in your program, or is it just a hobby? (I'm just curious.) |
| 20:37.21 | LinusT | where "program" == course of study |
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| 20:38.04 | rt | i used to learn them along with my colleauges of other disciplines |
| 20:38.25 | LinusT | rt: Cool. |
| 20:38.53 | rt | no i dont had much opportunity in real time coding |
| 20:39.37 | kblin | real time as in "real life"? or as in "guaranteed time of execution"? |
| 20:40.38 | LinusT | or "with quick deadlines"? |
| 20:40.39 | rt | i used to write small programs in c language |
| 20:40.58 | rt | yes |
| 20:41.21 | rt | but you can get know i coule enter into irc |
| 20:41.38 | rt | *could |
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| 20:42.10 | rt | i do go for ubuntu channels |
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| 20:43.10 | rt | linustL |
| 20:43.16 | rt | linust: |
| 20:43.36 | rt | help me to start with something |
| 20:43.56 | LinusT | rt: I would consult the websites mentioned in this channel's topic. |
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| 20:45.18 | rt | linust: which websites |
| 20:45.40 | kblin | !faq | rt |
| 20:45.40 | gsocbot | rt: "faq" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs |
| 20:45.58 | kblin | !timeline | rt |
| 20:45.58 | gsocbot | rt: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2012 |
| 20:46.15 | rt | i have checked them already |
| 20:51.54 | allman | GSoC is a competitive program - only roughly 20% of the students who apply are accepted. If you are a complete novice who has never ever programed before it is less likely that you will be accepted. That said, if you get familiar with a project and submit a useful proposal, you may be chosen. |
| 20:52.34 | rt | okk |
| 20:53.19 | allman | We have had "newbee" student be selected, do great work and go on to be major contributors to a project :) |
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| 20:54.48 | rt | it means i may get chance if i do smart and hard work allman: |
| 20:55.06 | allman | Maybe, yes :) |
| 20:55.46 | rt | thanks for your support and ill try my level best allman : :) |
| 20:56.06 | allman | You are welcome! Good luck! |
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| 22:09.02 | scorche | sees that the 2012 GSoC logo has no love for LISP ;) |
| 22:09.19 | MatthewWilkes | ooh, linky? |
| 22:09.35 | scorche | http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/downloads/detail?name=gsoc-2012-logo-color.jpg&can=2&q=2012+logo |
| 22:09.43 | gevaerts | has a 2012 GSoC sticker on his laptop :) |
| 22:11.42 | allman | member:gevaerts - you're lucky! You got a press proof! |
| 22:12.26 | gevaerts | allman: yes, I know. I guess I didn't upset carols too much then :) |
| 22:12.53 | allman | Never! ;-) |
| 22:13.08 | Lennie | allman, bring some to the meeting next week :) |
| 22:13.12 | Lennie | I'll be in town |
| 22:14.03 | allman | If we have them in hand, you will get one. I don't have one yet myself, so gevaerts is extraspecial! |
| 22:14.23 | allman | wait until you see them - best ever! |
| 22:14.40 | Lennie | gevaerts, also gets a lot of cookies. Lucky fellow |
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| 22:17.12 | Lennie | Wondering if we should fit the google bikes with the flags from the logo |
| 22:17.41 | allman | That would be cool! |
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| 22:19.36 | gevaerts | https://picasaweb.google.com/110584782497854525545/20120206#5706150638645114434 |
| 22:20.11 | calibwam | 2012 sticker? |
| 22:20.20 | gevaerts | Yes :) |
| 22:20.34 | calibwam | how did yu get it? |
| 22:20.44 | calibwam | s/yu/you |
| 22:21.02 | allman | Nice photo! |
| 22:21.07 | gevaerts | calibwam: I ate enough cookies |
| 22:21.12 | Lennie | omg |
| 22:21.48 | allman | I like that your machine is sitting on a jigsaw puzzle. :) |
| 22:22.10 | Lennie | Ravensburger ftw :p |
| 22:22.19 | gevaerts | Actually, that jigsaw puzzle is sitting on another jigsaw puzzle :) |
| 22:22.21 | ThomasWaldmann | the 2011 sticker has the right base color for thinkpads :) |
| 22:22.38 | ThomasWaldmann | or rather non-color |
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| 22:22.55 | scorche | gevaerts: i probably have some 2006-2008 stickers lying aound here somewhere inf you wanted the full collection... (though, there might be stickers for 2005...i dont know) |
| 22:22.56 | MatthewWilkes | scorche:I like |
| 22:22.57 | Lennie | I like the contrast of the 2012 sticker |
| 22:23.00 | MatthewWilkes | scorche: flags! |
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| 22:24.13 | gevaerts | scorche: I don't think I actually did anything gsoc-related in 2008, and definitely not before that, so that would feel a bit like cheating |
| 22:24.30 | allman | I don't remember there being stickers from 2008 or before :( |
| 22:24.53 | scorche | allman: no? - i guess i should definitely check then |
| 22:25.52 | gevaerts | hmm, yes I did something in 2008, but not much |
| 22:26.40 | gevaerts | That was the year "my" student decided to go with another org where he was also accepted |
| 22:27.26 | scorche | allman: you are probably right - i probably got mixed up with other swag ;) |
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| 22:28.06 | allman | No - I think you're right - I found a mention of an earlier sticker on the web. |
| 22:28.19 | allman | You have a collectors item! |
| 22:28.57 | scorche | allman: that only is true if i can find the things ;) |
| 22:28.57 | calibwam | Should be worth something on ebay, right? |
| 22:29.26 | allman | Will be worth more on a laptop - it's all about reputation ;-) |
| 22:31.24 | gevaerts | wouldn't swap his 2012 sticker for any of scorche's collectors items :) |
| 22:31.30 | scorche | allman: i know i definitely have stickers for 2008 (sun logo), and 2007 (flower logo) - 2006 (barcode logo), i actually think i dont have |
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| 22:31.45 | scorche | allman: assuming my recollection of logos is correct |
| 22:31.55 | allman | SOunds like it! |
| 22:32.07 | scorche | gevaerts: you havent done anything for 2012 either! ;) |
| 22:32.54 | gevaerts | scorche: sure I have! I discussed things with carols and some other people! |
| 22:32.57 | allman | Yes he has - he's answered all kinds of questions on here and eaten many cookies! |
| 22:33.06 | allman | :) |
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| 22:33.30 | gevaerts | And I have a sticker to prove it! |
| 22:33.36 | MatthewWilkes | scorche: He turned up to the mentor summit too! |
| 22:33.38 | calibwam | What is this about cookies? I want cookies! |
| 22:33.38 | scorche | allman: pfft - allow me to at least poke a few holes in his balloon ;) |
| 22:33.45 | scorche | MatthewWilkes: that was 2011! |
| 22:33.55 | MatthewWilkes | I answered questions too, I have no sticker! |
| 22:33.59 | allman | But I like ballons.... |
| 22:33.59 | MatthewWilkes | scorche: It informed 2012! |
| 22:34.25 | scorche | MatthewWilkes: and that was totally not my fault - i believe you were tasked with the development of the cloning machine which would have allowed me to be there, so you are to blame |
| 22:34.45 | MatthewWilkes | scorche: I have professional ethics that prevent your cloning |
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| 22:34.54 | allman | snap* |
| 22:34.59 | allman | ;-) |
| 22:35.02 | scorche | MatthewWilkes: professional ethics never stopped you before... |
| 22:35.17 | gevaerts | This was a good time to start! |
| 22:35.36 | MatthewWilkes | scorche: You're thinking of personal ethics! |
| 22:35.42 | MatthewWilkes | totally different ethics |
| 22:36.07 | scorche | MatthewWilkes: one of which doesnt exist? ;) |
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| 22:37.06 | MatthewWilkes | how dare you, sir? |
| 22:37.30 | gevaerts | suggests a knee-holding duel to settle this |
| 22:37.47 | scorche | gevaerts: i was more interested in the calf |
| 22:38.09 | MatthewWilkes | scorche: Still, I'm sticking up for gevaerts. He visited during the pubhackconrockboxdrinkthing, you stayed in your hotel. He came to the summit, you went to play with bits of metal. One more strike, mister. |
| 22:38.36 | scorche | =( |
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| 22:41.38 | MatthewWilkes | =( indeed. |
| 22:42.09 | gevaerts | It doesn't matter. I have the sticker, scorche doesn't :) |
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| 22:43.15 | MatthewWilkes | gevaerts: I also have no sticker. *pouts* |
| 22:43.29 | gevaerts | MatthewWilkes: ah, but *that*'s because you were not at fosdem! |
| 22:43.52 | allman | Matthew - a sticker will be yours, fear not! |
| 22:44.05 | MatthewWilkes | allman: I just like trolling rock box, don't worry ;) |
| 22:44.05 | gevaerts | The second sticker went to the person in the room with the most gsoc years |
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| 22:44.19 | allman | who was...? |
| 22:44.53 | gevaerts | I can't remember. I was too proud of my own sticker to pay much attention |
| 22:45.04 | gevaerts | carols has a photo of everyone there though |
| 22:45.52 | allman | :) Nice! |
| 22:46.06 | allman | How many people in all came? Roughly... |
| 22:46.31 | gevaerts | I think there were about a dozen people at the BoF |
| 22:47.03 | allman | okay - I was hoping for more but FOSDEM has so many interesting things going on at once.... |
| 22:47.22 | gevaerts | I think many people didn't know about it, really |
| 22:49.18 | allman | :( But still, the 2012 instance of GSoC got more than 26,000 references on Google in the last 24 hours alone, so I can hardly pout :) |
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| 22:52.42 | allman | gtg - ttfn |
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