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| 00:08.37 | *** topic/#gsoc is Google Summer of Code 2012 has started! You can check out the timeline: http://goo.gl/FQb2b and the FAQs: http://goo.gl/Lh4R8 for more information. |
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| 00:43.26 | djanatyn | Hey. Is anyone here involved with Google Code-In? |
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| 00:43.58 | djanatyn | I'm trying to upload my forms, as they're due at 11:59pm PST today. But, I'm getting errors saying that I'm not allowed to upload, as GCI is over. |
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| 00:44.23 | djanatyn | It's only 4:44pm PST. Is it still possible for me to submit my forms? |
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| 00:47.08 | allman | djanatyn: please email PDFs of your forms directly to sttaylor@google.com TODAY. Hurry! |
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| 00:47.56 | djanatyn | okay, thanks! |
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| 01:04.35 | MatthewWilkes | allman: Not many forms still pending, I hope! |
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| 01:05.45 | allman | not too many :) |
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| 01:11.54 | MatthewWilkes | allman: Goodo, deadlines are hard |
| 01:13.29 | allman | Ah - not really.... ;-) And I say that as a shamefaced chronic procrastinator. |
| 01:13.48 | allman | Carol is awesome re deadlines! |
| 01:16.58 | allman | eek - got to go. TTFN! |
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| 01:51.59 | NateC | Here's a question - 20 hours a week at a part time job + GSOC. Feasible? Or would someone be better off working less/no extra hours on top of GSOC (if they were accepted) |
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| 01:53.26 | Catfish_Man | NateC: the usual rule of thumb is that GSoC is a full time internship equivalent |
| 01:53.33 | Catfish_Man | there are always exceptions to rules of thumb though |
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| 01:55.07 | NateC | Hypothetical question anyway, I guess, since I still don't know if I'll have a chance getting in. =D |
| 01:55.28 | NateC | I don't want to leave the job I have, per se, so if I did get in I might just request to go down to 15 hours or something like that |
| 01:55.36 | dfighter | NateC if you are willing to give up some free time, and you can take that much work, you can give it a try |
| 01:55.56 | NateC | I usually don't too many exciting things during the summer anyway. =\ |
| 01:56.24 | dfighter | if you allocate 6 hours of sleep, you will still have 6 hours totally free |
| 01:56.40 | dfighter | full time 8 hours + I assume that 20hours/week is 4hours a day |
| 01:56.47 | dfighter | 8+4 = 12 |
| 01:56.54 | dfighter | so mathematically it's doable |
| 01:57.07 | dfighter | but again it depends if you can work 2 jobs |
| 01:57.34 | Catfish_Man | doing good GSoC work on 6 hours of sleep may be tricky ;) |
| 01:58.15 | dfighter | then allocate another 2 hours for sleep |
| 01:58.19 | dfighter | still 4 hours free |
| 01:58.30 | dfighter | providing you don't have to travel a lot to your normal job |
| 01:58.41 | NateC | True...then again, I could request maybe a weekend or night schedule at work, and cut it down to ~15 hours. I could work maybe 10 hours over the weekend and 5 hours another day |
| 01:58.44 | NateC | Wouldn't be too bad |
| 01:58.49 | NateC | No, I live about 10 minutes away from work |
| 01:59.02 | dfighter | but anyways NateC you should first consult the org you want to apply to |
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| 01:59.15 | NateC | Yeah, it's kind of a far off though anyway. Got a lot to do before any of that |
| 01:59.51 | NateC | Just been looking through various orgs that have been in it in the past today, seeing what would be interesting to work on (regarldess of whether I get in) |
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| 02:01.13 | dfighter | Catfish_Man tbh either way it depends on the person |
| 02:01.23 | Catfish_Man | dfighter: naturally |
| 02:01.29 | Catfish_Man | one of my coworkers worked 92 hour weeks for a while |
| 02:01.37 | Catfish_Man | I doubt I'd even make it through one of those |
| 02:01.48 | dfighter | I can code for 2 days without sleep, that I know for sure :P |
| 02:02.07 | dfighter | altough admittedly by the 2nd day I get slower |
| 02:03.05 | summatusmentis | NateC: at least when I did GSoC (or when I do other things), I had a tendency to put way more than 40 hr/week in |
| 02:03.30 | summatusmentis | partially because I never feel like I'm getting enough done |
| 02:04.15 | dfighter | heh a fellow workaholic :P |
| 02:05.57 | Catfish_Man | dfighter: yeah I would be typing gibberish long before then |
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| 02:10.43 | thebolt | Catfish_Man: i've done a 106-hour week once.. never more :P |
| 02:10.56 | Catfish_Man | thebolt: I'm sure your code quality was outstanding :P |
| 02:11.11 | dfighter | Catfish_Man that's normal, but coffee and some walking around on the fresh air "helps" it |
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| 02:11.25 | dfighter | cold water applied on the face also does wonders |
| 02:12.10 | dfighter | but it's a very bad habit, not really suggested for anyone |
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| 03:54.57 | techstein | hello |
| 03:55.14 | techstein | how many hours / week are students supposed to work in gsoc |
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| 03:57.59 | thebolt | the general guideline is that gsoc is a fulltime job (so aprox 40h/week) |
| 04:07.13 | poseidon | does it assume their familiarity of the project, or can time spent further reviewing the project be alloted towards time? |
| 04:07.51 | poseidon | I'm planning on picking a project and beginning reviewing mid this month, but with a full time job and full time school as it is, I'm not sure how far I"ll get. |
| 04:18.07 | jrabbit | depends on the project really |
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| 07:43.40 | vultraz | er..... |
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| 07:45.34 | vultraz | I'm not gonna be able to get my GCI 2011 forms in before the deadline... I shouldn't have let it go until now, but there's been some complications. planned blackouts etc, recently, and our printer and scanner aren't working... |
| 07:46.19 | vultraz | can I do it tomorrow? |
| 07:46.40 | vultraz | can't go somehwhere else with a printer; car's dead |
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| 07:47.53 | vultraz | (I'm in Pohnpei, Micronesia....so....) |
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| 08:00.08 | thebolt | vultraz: general suggestion (i am not involved in gci at all and not talking for anyo ne but myself).. email the competition admins at google? |
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| 08:01.59 | vultraz | humm |
| 08:02.08 | vultraz | probably should |
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| 08:03.19 | thebolt | they are the only one who can give you any kind of official advice |
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| 08:04.46 | vultraz | humm |
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| 08:05.06 | vultraz | actually...who am I supposed to write to exactly... |
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| 08:09.53 | vultraz | gci-discuss@googlegroups.com ? |
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| 08:10.28 | thebolt | no, thats a discussion group |
| 08:10.57 | vultraz | ah |
| 08:11.55 | thebolt | seems it would be carol or stephanie taylor |
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| 08:19.34 | vultraz | agh....can't find their emails... |
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| 08:53.35 | kai | morning folks |
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| 08:59.00 | cancel | Good morning; I've one question that I can't find in the FAQ: |
| 08:59.13 | cancel | From what I remember last year conditions for students forbid them to have another full-time job during the summer. This year I only see that GSOC should be the main focus of the summer. |
| 08:59.27 | cancel | is that still an issue? |
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| 09:01.01 | Catfish_Man | cancel: was it forbidden? usually it's just strongly discouraged |
| 09:01.09 | Catfish_Man | working 80 hour weeks is crazy |
| 09:02.16 | cancel | working full time in college is also crazy; but it can be done when there's no other option |
| 09:02.52 | Catfish_Man | you'll have a tough time convincing potential mentors of that, but it's probably possible for the right student |
| 09:03.05 | cancel | I remember being told by a few friends who were accepted last year and a few years back that it was required |
| 09:03.12 | cancel | I'll just wait and see then |
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| 09:04.19 | Catfish_Man | it's possible the organization(s) they were working with imposed their own requirements |
| 09:04.32 | Catfish_Man | a lot of orgs get burned their first year by students who think they can pull off more than they can |
| 09:08.24 | Catfish_Man | anyway, g'night |
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| 09:33.49 | kai | cancel: for all I know the GSoC terms of service don't have any rule about this |
| 09:34.15 | kai | but so far every student I had to fail was trying to juggle a job and gsoc at the same time |
| 09:35.21 | kai | so it certainly is my rule not to accept students who have serious other commitments |
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| 09:41.50 | weltall | agreed in many cases students might even struggle to keep up without a job aside of gsoc |
| 09:42.01 | marchael | was forced to work in university on half day to have workpace and Internet access for doingmy project |
| 09:42.29 | weltall | we had to resize some proposals because they were too much for 3 months |
| 09:43.14 | kai | right |
| 09:43.49 | tzbob | how important is it to have 100% spare time during the period of 'reading up on documentation'? I need to write my thesis during that but I'm free during the actual 3 months coding sessions |
| 09:43.56 | tzbob | will I get turned down because of that? |
| 09:44.04 | kai | talk to your mentoring org |
| 09:44.26 | kai | usually I'm happy to plan around commitments during some part of gsoc |
| 09:44.27 | weltall | yup that's org dependant |
| 09:45.00 | tzbob | ah I guess I should really *pick* an org already instead of waiting for the official list |
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| 09:45.17 | weltall | anyway you could begin that before tzbob |
| 09:45.44 | weltall | in some orgs you'll end up doing the community bounding period already before being accepted |
| 09:46.28 | tzbob | ah I was thinking about writing a lot on my thesis at the first half of my semester, guess I could also do it the other way around |
| 09:46.48 | weltall | you could also do both |
| 09:46.53 | gevaerts | tzbob: community bonding doesn't have to be very intensive |
| 09:47.14 | weltall | gives you also more time to think about what to write on it ^^ |
| 09:47.30 | weltall | doesn't really agree on the practice of 3 months thesis |
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| 09:48.47 | cancel | kai: thanks for the info; one more thing to think about if accepted; I remember that some of my friends switched to part-time with their daily jobs, but then again they could have been really good |
| 09:49.26 | tzbob | btw. does your school need to supply anything for an apply to gsoc? |
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| 10:01.01 | kai | tzbob: well, once you're accepted you need to supply a proof that you are in fact a student |
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| 10:03.20 | kai | cancel: basically, you should consider GSoC to be like an internship |
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| 10:04.19 | kai | I wouldn't want my interns to come to the lab exhausted from another job and then only doing half a day's worth of work here |
| 10:04.50 | kai | it tends to not work out in the long run and is an utter waste of ressources |
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| 10:06.45 | kai | I'm not saying that there's no way a brilliant (or insane) student can juggle two jobs at the same time, I'm just saying that experience tells me that most people who _think_ they can juggle two jobs aren't good enough after all :) |
| 10:07.35 | kai | there's only so many hours in a day, and if you don't spend at least some of them sleeping and relaxing, you're not going to be creative enough to code |
| 10:08.35 | kai | if my gsoc projects were simple enough to do for an automaton, I'd have written a program to do them long ago :) |
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| 10:35.46 | weltall | eheheh kai fortunately for us that will never be doable :D |
| 10:37.30 | weltall | btw any idea if something like this is doable. being admin+mentor in one org and mentor in another? |
| 10:38.04 | thebolt | shouldn't be any problem.. met people who did that before |
| 10:38.26 | weltall | oki thanks :) |
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| 11:52.05 | kai | why do I have to bother a reseller if I can find a better offer directly.. silly university regulations |
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| 12:26.52 | riot | ohai |
| 12:29.09 | riot | uh, since when are there procedures (the mentors' orgs being asked for) to deal with disappearing mentors/studends? Not so long, huh? |
| 12:29.54 | gevaerts | huh? |
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| 12:37.41 | chrisoelmueller | you mean you don't want to think about that before it happens? |
| 12:37.45 | weltall | hum last year they where there |
| 12:38.00 | weltall | were |
| 12:39.04 | riot | aah. i did gsoc as student once (i think 2008) and my mentor went AWOL. That was really bad. Today, i know he had the chance of being lead for a quite nice python development corp and thus - no time left at all. |
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| 12:39.42 | weltall | teoretically your org should have a replacement |
| 12:40.27 | riot | hmm, bad communication was an added minus, chaos added in, well.. nevermind. Today i'm thinking about applying as mentoring org :) |
| 12:40.45 | weltall | :P |
| 12:40.51 | riot | i need coders and more community =) |
| 12:41.14 | weltall | this year and the previous one i'll be a mentor next year i'm planning to apply as mentoring org too |
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| 12:42.04 | Naeblis | this happens often? Mentors not having the time? |
| 12:42.09 | riot | its a great opportunity for everyone involved, so, i'm really considering, even though we're a VERY small gpl-compliant startup |
| 12:42.25 | riot | Naeblis: i don't think so, at least not that serious. |
| 12:42.41 | weltall | usually no |
| 12:42.55 | riot | Naeblis: and thats what those additional questions to mentoring orgs are for. To make sure that even if it happens, nothing breaks. |
| 12:43.04 | weltall | if you read the guidelines actually your org was going against the terms with google |
| 12:43.11 | Naeblis | and what about the students? What if I was exams in the middle of planned schedule? |
| 12:43.16 | Naeblis | *I had |
| 12:43.24 | weltall | it's your duty to tell it before |
| 12:43.27 | riot | weltall: you mean the python community? I don't think so. |
| 12:43.37 | Naeblis | of course |
| 12:43.41 | weltall | if they didn't provide a replacement mentor yes riot |
| 12:43.54 | weltall | they were they can be even the python community i don't care :P |
| 12:43.54 | riot | nevermind ;) |
| 12:44.32 | riot | i don't even think these rules were in there, 2008. Thats why i was positively surprised. |
| 12:44.50 | weltall | dunno we could see if it's still possible to grab old gsoc |
| 12:45.43 | weltall | seems they replaced the faq |
| 12:45.53 | riot | weltall: you seem to have too much time at your hands ;) you code python? |
| 12:46.13 | weltall | i hate python. i code it but only if forced :P |
| 12:46.48 | weltall | and unfortunately i don't have much time at my hands i'm full of things to do i'm actually doing 3 things at the same time |
| 12:47.32 | weltall | there are two things i cannot stand of python. the forced identation and the documentation status |
| 12:48.06 | weltall | the first will never change as well explained in an easter egg of the language. the second i hope they fix it |
| 12:48.28 | weltall | another thing i find annoying is the radical changes of the language which are a bit frequent |
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| 12:51.14 | riot | hmhm, well, i created a ticket for GSOC12, we'll discuss =) |
| 12:51.38 | weltall | for? |
| 12:51.55 | riot | weltall: i see your arguments and.. well.. doesn't bother me personally ;) |
| 12:52.11 | riot | aah, we'll discuss participation as mentoring org. |
| 12:52.18 | weltall | ah :) |
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| 12:54.10 | riot | i have enough challenges at hand (most being hardware problems, but still quite a bunch of software stuff), but there are some questions we'd have to investigate beforehand. |
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| 13:45.42 | riot | hey kai |
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| 13:48.14 | kai | it is a lot of fun to go shopping for HPC computers :) |
| 13:48.37 | kai | it is going to be less fun to make sure the software takes good advantage of that |
| 13:49.19 | kai | seeing how many tools I saw having problems running with 24 threads, I don't even want to try 64 threads |
| 13:50.43 | riot | kai: kamaelia.. i dunno (yet) how to scale that to more than one core. I suppose its a python-version-question, though. |
| 13:51.32 | riot | kai: or stackless |
| 13:51.43 | kai | python sucks for threading |
| 13:51.57 | kai | at least if you don't spend your time waiting for IO |
| 13:53.30 | tzbob | everythong at the python irc seems to be quite fond of multiprocessing |
| 13:53.38 | tzbob | everyone* |
| 13:53.48 | tzbob | no idea where everythong came from :c |
| 13:53.56 | kai | right. I think threading is overrated :) |
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| 13:55.37 | tzbob | My internship atm is about multithreading in java, it's quite safe to say that OO languages weren't really designed to have shared memory over multiple threads |
| 13:56.49 | tzbob | I think the most important factor is the actual design of your code and not the platform/language. e.g. threading immutable objects is a breeze |
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| 16:53.49 | carols | serves some tea and belgian chocolate |
| 16:53.53 | carols | now that i have some :-) |
| 16:54.02 | gevaerts | drinks some tea :) |
| 16:54.07 | carols | hey gevaerts :-) |
| 16:54.15 | gevaerts | I'll leave the chocolate for you! |
| 16:54.46 | carols | that's very kind of you, gevaerts |
| 16:54.49 | gevaerts | carols: did you have a good trip back? |
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| 16:54.57 | carols | gevaerts: i did thanks. did you? |
| 16:55.18 | gevaerts | Yes, although a one hour drive isn't too impressive anyway :) |
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| 16:56.32 | carols | well, it was very cold :-) |
| 16:57.48 | gevaerts | Well, yesterday was even colder :) |
| 16:58.18 | carols | really? i was flying all of yesterday |
| 16:58.21 | carols | how cold did it get? |
| 16:58.59 | gevaerts | The thermometer in my car said it was -13 when I drove to work |
| 17:00.06 | ajs | hi carols - thanks for all your hard work for us Google students |
| 17:00.21 | ajs | GCI was a blast |
| 17:02.05 | carols | ajs: you're welcome, but it wasn't really my program, it was stephanie |
| 17:02.10 | carols | ill pass along your thanks to her |
| 17:02.19 | ajs | carols: ok - I've thanked her |
| 17:02.42 | ajs | carols: it seems as though you were in charge at the beginning and she at the end? |
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| 17:04.08 | carols | ajs: i helped her start it up again since she hadn't done it before, but other than that it was her |
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| 17:12.40 | makbee | Any one from gnome? |
| 17:13.00 | thiago | makbee: you'll have better luck if you join a gnome channel |
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| 17:13.36 | makbee | but i found no-one at gome-love |
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| 18:02.16 | platzhirsch | Hey, what is meant with "Google Open Source Programs Office announces the winners via blog post" on Februrar 14, 2012? |
| 18:02.25 | platzhirsch | Which winners? |
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| 18:03.55 | gevaerts | platzhirsch: the GCI winners |
| 18:03.57 | carols | platzhirsch: the winners of the GCI contest |
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| 18:05.12 | platzhirsch | I see, thanks! |
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| 18:12.14 | coder2 | hello guys how can i propose a new idea? |
| 18:13.51 | carols | coder2: speak to the organization you'd like to work with and propose it |
| 18:13.53 | Catfish_Man | coder2: wait for when student project proposals are accepted, find a participating organization that your idea is part of, write a proposal to do it following the guidelines |
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| 18:15.27 | coder2 | Catfish_Man: so i have to find a relevant organisation for my idea? |
| 18:15.56 | Catfish_Man | coder2: there's a (very small) number of slots not associated with an organization, but in general, yes. GSoC is about getting involved in open source, rather than about starting new projects |
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| 18:17.21 | coder2 | Catfish_Man: if i can suggest some good extensions to an existing project,would that work? |
| 18:17.40 | Catfish_Man | coder2: sure, that's normal |
| 18:18.51 | coder2 | Catfish_Man: okay thanks:) |
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| 18:56.55 | moriginal | are mentors help students to write their proposal ? |
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| 18:58.04 | weltall | gives some chocolate to carols :D |
| 18:58.11 | carols | thanks weltall :-) |
| 18:58.23 | gevaerts | moriginal: not as such, but (depending on the oranisation) mentors are likely to provide feedback before the proposals are final, so you can take that into account |
| 18:58.38 | gevaerts | steals some chocolate from weltall :) |
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| 18:58.47 | weltall | gives some to gevaerts too |
| 18:58.52 | gevaerts | Thanks! |
| 18:59.10 | gevaerts | gives back the lot he stole |
| 18:59.12 | weltall | actually it's discouraged to give actual help in writing them as it would end up the mentors are the ones writing them at the end |
| 19:00.26 | frewsxcv | <3 GSOC |
| 19:00.41 | anth_x | as an org admin, i'd be upset if i heard about a (potential) mentor helping to write a proposal, but all our mentors are expected to participate by providing feedback to students during the application process. |
| 19:01.22 | gevaerts | anth_x: as an org admin being upset is your job :) |
| 19:01.26 | frewsxcv | i have an organization that would like to provide a mentor for me. where should they start in terms of applying as a mentor? |
| 19:01.30 | weltall | the biggest issue is at the end the proposal becomes so good that the students will risk not living up to the proposal |
| 19:02.01 | weltall | first they need to be approved as mentoring organization |
| 19:02.05 | weltall | then all will be on the site |
| 19:02.06 | anth_x | gevaerts: we have good mentors. i rarely get upset. |
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| 19:12.22 | Jaykay | carols: good afternoon :) i will be 18 at the 24th of april, so i am one day too young. someone here pointed me to you - is there any way to be accepted nonetheless? |
| 19:12.35 | carols | Jaykay: nope, its a legal issue, sorry |
| 19:12.46 | carols | i'm not willing to go to jail for you, as much as i think you're probably a great person :-) |
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| 19:13.40 | Jaykay | damn |
| 19:13.43 | Jaykay | thanks anyway |
| 19:13.54 | carols | you're welcome |
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| 19:24.43 | lfaraone | Jaykay: unless you could estabish you were really born close to midnight and had your birth certificate made in the wrong timezone. |
| 19:24.52 | lfaraone | (I'm not serious, of course) |
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| 19:41.47 | weltall | no one would want carols in jail :) |
| 19:42.00 | carols | i'm glad that's the case, weltall :-) |
| 19:42.04 | weltall | :D |
| 19:42.47 | gevaerts | Not for something that's not worth it of course. Maybe a good party though? ;) |
| 19:42.54 | weltall | XD |
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| 19:59.18 | JordiGH | sup guise |
| 19:59.35 | JordiGH | So what should I start getting together to apply as a mentoring org? |
| 19:59.58 | sfb | Hi JordiGH |
| 20:00.18 | carols | JordiGH: have you read the mentor manual? |
| 20:00.27 | JordiGH | carols: Nope! Where is it? |
| 20:00.40 | carols | JordiGH: http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCMentoring/org-application/ |
| 20:00.40 | carols | also on the FAQs |
| 20:00.41 | JordiGH | I thought I looked in the FAQs. |
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| 20:01.10 | carols | it's linked at the top. |
| 20:01.12 | JordiGH | Oh, it is. |
| 20:01.19 | JordiGH | Sorry, I stopped reading the FAQ too early. |
| 20:01.30 | carols | you should read the entire FAQ. |
| 20:01.42 | JordiGH | Sorry. :-) |
| 20:01.45 | JordiGH | rtfm |
| 20:01.56 | carols | i spend a lot of time updating it every year and it always makes me sad when people don't care about the hard work i've done to help them. |
| 20:01.58 | carols | is sad. |
| 20:02.27 | gevaerts | gives carols some more chocolate |
| 20:02.33 | carols | thanks gevaerts |
| 20:02.43 | carols | that'll help a little i think |
| 20:03.04 | JordiGH | I thought carols already had all the chocolate she could possibly want. |
| 20:03.33 | dfighter | carols I guess you know what I feel then when people march into IRC asking questions about things that are covered in the wiki :P |
| 20:04.06 | JordiGH | dfighter: I usually smite them with a url. |
| 20:04.11 | JordiGH | And a smiley. |
| 20:04.13 | JordiGH | smileysmite |
| 20:05.12 | carols | dfighter: yep, i sure do. |
| 20:05.19 | dfighter | JordiGH I usually feel remorse that I don't have a big red button that disintegrates them |
| 20:05.20 | dfighter | cleanly |
| 20:05.36 | JordiGH | dfighter: Now now. Everyone's illiterate. |
| 20:05.48 | dfighter | :\ |
| 20:05.49 | carols | speak for yourself, sir. |
| 20:06.28 | dfighter | Even Jeff Dean JordiGH?? |
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| 20:06.45 | JordiGH | carols: The entire internet is tl;dr. |
| 20:06.57 | carols | JordiGH: again, speak for yourself. |
| 20:07.07 | JordiGH | :< |
| 20:07.41 | carols | serves some cookies |
| 20:07.43 | carols | have a cookie |
| 20:07.45 | carols | that'll help |
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| 20:09.32 | weltall | hugs carols to make her less sad |
| 20:09.39 | carols | aw, thanks weltall :-) |
| 20:09.41 | carols | that helps |
| 20:09.43 | carols | as do the cookies |
| 20:09.48 | carols | and the chocolate |
| 20:09.55 | dfighter | chocolate, cookies that sounds like an awful lot of calories! |
| 20:10.03 | weltall | XD |
| 20:10.15 | JordiGH | Ewwwww, you guys are getting all mushy. |
| 20:10.21 | weltall | that's not safe to say dfighter :P |
| 20:10.40 | dfighter | uh oh |
| 20:10.51 | dfighter | puts on his SWAT gear? |
| 20:11.12 | JordiGH | Is that your version of robe and wizard hat? |
| 20:11.25 | dfighter | almost |
| 20:12.00 | dfighter | This doesn't require you to be hairy, and fat |
| 20:12.37 | JordiGH | Does this channel have a topic police officer on duty? |
| 20:12.47 | JordiGH | A topic militia? |
| 20:13.13 | dfighter | weltall it's just lots of girls I know practically count their daily intake, and then freak out if you wanna offer them some more than their plans |
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| 20:13.38 | weltall | lol |
| 20:13.40 | JordiGH | lol |
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| 20:15.10 | dfighter | they call it "healthy", but somehow I don't think worrying all day about calories is anyhow healthy |
| 20:16.13 | JordiGH | When trying to say what skills are necessary to perform this or that task, is it reasonable to not mention the baseline of contribution necessary and which I (or someone else) could mentor with? Stuff like how to use a DVCS and our build system. :-) |
| 20:16.38 | JordiGH | I guess it makes sense to mention this at the top of the list of proposed projects. |
| 20:16.55 | weltall | a bit difficult to do anything without being able to build |
| 20:16.57 | carols | JordiGH: most projects make it a requirement of submitting a proposal that a student prove he/she can already do that. |
| 20:17.07 | carols | JordiGH: submit a small patch, usually |
| 20:18.26 | JordiGH | Hm, we get a lot of complaints that it's difficult to get into our codebase because it's huge and involved. |
| 20:18.40 | JordiGH | Sometimes people are scared by our infrastructure too. |
| 20:18.41 | dfighter | usually big projects are like that |
| 20:18.53 | carols | JordiGH: even more reason to make sure the students can approach it before you start working with them :-) |
| 20:19.51 | gevaerts | Do you have a wiki page or something like that that walks people through getting the code and building? |
| 20:22.01 | JordiGH | Also, is it lame to have as a project "improve our website"? It's not at all related to what we normally "do", but it's something that would help us. |
| 20:22.38 | JordiGH | And I don't mean just write stuff. I mean stuff like programming a website that implements a number of collaboration features we could really use. |
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| 20:34.05 | brlcad | JordiGH: might want to be a little more specific than that, something with measurable completion |
| 20:34.59 | JordiGH | Yeah, I didn't mean that literally. I just meant, projects that work on project infrastructure, stuff that won't end up in the tarball that people download from our website. |
| 20:35.44 | brlcad | we had a student work on a somewhat vague "code refactoring" task but quantified what tasks would actually be done under that umbrella |
| 20:35.57 | brlcad | code is code, website or otherwise |
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| 20:36.37 | brlcad | it just needs to be actual coding |
| 20:37.27 | JordiGH | k |
| 20:37.38 | brlcad | html markup doesn't pass that muster, but writing a drupal module in php certainly would or recoding a front-end in django, etc |
| 20:38.08 | JordiGH | I get it. |
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| 21:08.27 | isai | hi people |
| 21:08.40 | isai | i'm interessted in getting infos about this code of summer program |
| 21:09.04 | isai | i'm looking for a open source project looking for young coders |
| 21:09.07 | isai | actually |
| 21:09.48 | isai | anybody in here?? |
| 21:09.52 | hekate | "and the FAQs: http://goo.gl/Lh4R8 for more information. |
| 21:09.53 | hekate | " |
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| 21:13.20 | weltall | opensource project are looking for young coders also aside from gsoc :) |
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| 21:18.45 | danny_p | hi, is anybody here who works for wordpress? I need to know my chances for gsoc2012 |
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| 21:21.18 | scorche | danny_p: i dont "work" for wordpress and i doubt that they would be able to tell you - however, PMing people out of the blue is generally frowned upon in IRC |
| 21:24.32 | weltall | even if they wanted to they wouldn't be able to extimate it anyway :) |
| 21:24.40 | danny_p | I apologize, a fresher here. sorry. |
| 21:24.50 | isai | yeah me too |
| 21:25.03 | dotnick | danny_p: research has shown that chocolate can help smooth things over |
| 21:25.13 | weltall | XD |
| 21:25.24 | danny_p | always. |
| 21:25.27 | allman | danny_p: the mentoring orgs have not been chosen yet. I suggest you first look at the Ideas list from past instances of GSOC to get a sense of what kinds of projects they were looking for in the past, and then find the wordpress IRC channel and ask there what you can do to help the project. |
| 21:26.19 | danny_p | allman: ya, that seems the correct way. |
| 21:26.33 | allman | Good luck :) |
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| 22:01.09 | JordiGH | How much money do students get? Is this publicised? |
| 22:01.09 | scorche | yes |
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| 22:01.58 | allman | JordiGH: it's all in the FAQ. Please visit code.google.com/soc to learn more. |
| 22:02.59 | weltall | and use google as second try for questions there are also some wiki books for students |
| 22:03.09 | JordiGH | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs#payments |
| 22:03.46 | hekate | !payments |
| 22:03.56 | hekate | !help |
| 22:03.56 | gsocbot | hekate: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. |
| 22:04.24 | JordiGH | Huh. |
| 22:04.26 | JordiGH | supybot? |
| 22:04.35 | JordiGH | gsocbot: What are you? |
| 22:04.49 | weltall | ye supy |
| 22:05.07 | JordiGH | I wish every chatbot knew how to answer "what are you?" blootbots do. |
| 22:05.14 | weltall | but it doesn't allow me to give cookies :(รน |
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| 22:05.24 | JordiGH | We need a chatbot RFC. |
| 22:05.33 | weltall | there is version iirc |
| 22:05.54 | gevaerts | !this cookie | weltall |
| 22:05.54 | gsocbot | weltall: "this cookie" is for you |
| 22:06.04 | weltall | but why i cannot give them :( |
| 22:06.08 | JordiGH | !give weltall cookie |
| 22:06.15 | gevaerts | weltall: you can |
| 22:06.23 | weltall | !this cookie | gevaerts |
| 22:06.23 | gsocbot | gevaerts: "this cookie" is for you |
| 22:06.28 | gevaerts | Thanks! |
| 22:06.29 | weltall | hum this time it works |
| 22:06.32 | weltall | weird XD |
| 22:06.42 | JordiGH | !version |
| 22:06.44 | gsocbot | JordiGH: The current (running) version of this Supybot is 0.83.4.1. The newest version available online is 0.83.4.1. |
| 22:06.46 | gevaerts | No. Last time you got the quotes wrong IIRC |
| 22:07.05 | JordiGH | !payments is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs#payments |
| 22:07.31 | JordiGH | I thought that's how you taught things to a supybot... |
| 22:07.41 | weltall | no it's learn |
| 22:07.49 | weltall | at least my supybot |
| 22:07.52 | Jaykay | !payments |
| 22:07.57 | Jaykay | apparently not :) |
| 22:08.04 | weltall | learn name as value |
| 22:08.07 | gevaerts | !learn payments as http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs#payments |
| 22:08.07 | gsocbot | gevaerts: "payments" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs#payments |
| 22:08.12 | gevaerts | is a botmaster :) |
| 22:08.13 | weltall | as he did :) |
| 22:08.16 | hekate | !payments |
| 22:08.16 | gsocbot | hekate: "payments" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs#payments |
| 22:08.19 | hekate | there we go |
| 22:08.30 | hekate | there we go | weltall |
| 22:08.31 | JordiGH | Huh, I could have sworn nolyc wasn't like this. |
| 22:08.37 | hekate | !payments | weltall |
| 22:08.37 | gsocbot | weltall: "payments" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs#payments |
| 22:08.47 | weltall | doesn't need that! |
| 22:08.53 | hekate | sorry just testing:p |
| 22:08.59 | JordiGH | nolyc has "!give welltall bar" |
| 22:09.15 | gevaerts | !botabuse | everyone |
| 22:09.15 | gsocbot | gevaerts: Error: No such user. |
| 22:09.42 | weltall | XD |
| 22:10.26 | gevaerts | is not a very good botmaster |
| 22:12.15 | weltall | pats gevaerts |
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| 22:14.11 | d34th4ck3r | Can we know the list of organization that have applied for gsoc 2012? |
| 22:14.27 | JordiGH | d34th4ck3r: We haven't applied yet. |
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| 22:14.36 | tomprince | !timeline |
| 22:14.36 | gsocbot | tomprince: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2012 |
| 22:14.49 | tomprince | !timeline | d34th4ck3r |
| 22:14.49 | gsocbot | d34th4ck3r: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2012 |
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| 22:16.49 | d34th4ck3r | gsocbot: yea, I mean when the timeline has came, ie feb 28, will the list be made public ? |
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| 22:16.57 | Umair | hi everyone |
| 22:17.06 | weltall | hi |
| 22:17.08 | gevaerts | d34th4ck3r: no |
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| 22:17.30 | weltall | it's the second week of march the release of the list |
| 22:17.48 | Umair | I am interested to participate in Google Summer of Code 2012 |
| 22:18.11 | Umair | Any one has idea about the potential projects |
| 22:18.15 | Umair | ? |
| 22:18.24 | weltall | check gsoc 2011 |
| 22:18.32 | weltall | to have an idea |
| 22:18.38 | weltall | doesn't mean they will be there this year |
| 22:19.01 | d34th4ck3r | On feb 14, Google Open Source Programs Office announces the winners via blog post, winners of what? |
| 22:19.11 | gevaerts | d34th4ck3r: GCI |
| 22:19.11 | weltall | gci |
| 22:19.24 | Umair | who is the potential mentor this year? |
| 22:19.29 | allman | The Winner of Google Code-in, our contest for high-school students. |
| 22:19.38 | weltall | only one mentor? seems a bit reductive |
| 22:19.56 | d34th4ck3r | got it, thanks. :) |
| 22:20.05 | summatusmentis | Umair: mentors are decided by the organizations participating (which have not been picked yet, let alone applied to participate) |
| 22:20.30 | Umair | ok.. |
| 22:20.54 | summatusmentis | Umair: no one knows what the organizations (or their sub-projects) will be |
| 22:20.54 | marinaz | Umair: organizations and mentors who will participate in the program are not known yet, you can look at the organizations that participated last year and decide which one you want to contribute to; you can find mentors for some organizations here: http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/Mentorshttp://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/Mentors |
| 22:21.03 | JordiGH | We should make Larry Wall mentor all ~1e3 students. |
| 22:21.44 | marinaz | Umair: but they are not necessarily mentors for GSoC, just some people who can help you get started |
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| 22:22.33 | Umair | ok got it |
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| 22:23.31 | Umair | who is participated gsoc 2011? |
| 22:23.54 | Umair | marinaz: do you know who can help me ? |
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| 22:24.10 | marinaz | Umair: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2011 |
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| 22:24.46 | marinaz | Umair: you need to decide what project you are interested in and look at the information about that project, such as join their IRC channel |
| 22:25.14 | Umair | all right |
| 22:28.48 | JordiGH | Umair: What do you like to do? |
| 22:29.39 | Umair | I am interested in some C++ project |
| 22:30.12 | Umair | do you have any ideas? |
| 22:30.43 | dfighter | that's a very broad category |
| 22:30.46 | weltall | quite spread :) |
| 22:30.47 | JordiGH | Uhm... Octave is C++... but if you are looking by language of implementation instead of what the program does, you'll be disappointed. |
| 22:31.04 | weltall | yeah agreed |
| 22:31.43 | dfighter | Umair you could write a C++ program that controls a surgical knife, and removes tumors from a brain |
| 22:32.16 | Umair | hhahha |
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| 22:32.23 | weltall | eheh |
| 22:32.30 | Umair | the idea is not bad |
| 22:32.47 | dfighter | or for sub-prime loan risk analysis, so banks like Lehman Brothers don't go broke and collapse the world economy |
| 22:33.04 | Umair | but its scope is too vast |
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| 22:33.48 | dfighter | sure then write a control program for Patriot missles? |
| 22:33.54 | dfighter | so they could actually hit the targets |
| 22:33.58 | dfighter | and not miss them by 100 miles |
| 22:33.59 | dfighter | xD |
| 22:34.11 | Umair | nice :) |
| 22:34.12 | weltall | ithen blame him because he broke the stock market with bugs |
| 22:34.13 | weltall | :D |
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| 22:34.47 | dfighter | I think he didn't like my ideas |
| 22:35.10 | dfighter | could be because Israel is probably the biggest customer of the Patriot missles |
| 22:35.19 | dfighter | and his ident was |
| 22:35.24 | dfighter | Umair is ~umair@s213-103-219-162.cust.tele2.se * Muhammad Umair |
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| 22:38.25 | JordiGH | dfighter: http://i44.tinypic.com/2iu2p0.jpg |
| 22:38.39 | dfighter | lol |
| 22:38.41 | JordiGH | lol |
| 22:38.45 | dfighter | wasn't even my purpose |
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| 22:39.59 | dfighter | pretty sure Goldman & Sachs would pay him a lot for a risk analysis software like that, a lot more than GSOC probably :P |
| 22:41.36 | moriginal | hahaha :-p |
| 22:41.52 | moriginal | we should pay him to save Greece :-p |
| 22:42.41 | dfighter | yea Greece is even worse than Lehman Brothers was |
| 22:42.51 | dfighter | at least Lehman messed up on fail investments |
| 22:43.04 | dfighter | Greece simply used their money up on welfare |
| 22:43.16 | carols | hey everyone, i appreciate the witty banter in this room, but could we keep the conversation to GSoC, please? |
| 22:43.18 | moriginal | dfighter, i am from Greece :) |
| 22:43.38 | dfighter | sure carols, sorry for derailing the channel |
| 22:43.43 | carols | you're more than welcome to PM each other and discuss the world's economic problems if you'd like |
| 22:43.47 | dfighter | moriginal then you know better than me :P |
| 22:43.48 | JordiGH | Do you guys know if Adblock 2.0 is ok now? I really don't like the idea of it whitelisting Google ads. |
| 22:43.56 | JordiGH | Argh, wrong channel. |
| 22:44.07 | weltall | best place to ask :D |
| 22:44.19 | JordiGH | fucking... wrong... channel... |
| 22:44.29 | carols | JordiGH: and you'll please not swear in this channel |
| 22:44.34 | carols | or i'll kick you. |
| 22:45.08 | JordiGH | Oh, sorry. Didn't know. |
| 22:45.31 | carols | no problem, now you do. |
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| 22:50.36 | raptor | will GSoC give me more grey hairs if I decide to enter my project? |
| 22:51.07 | carols | raptor: i'm not sure what you mean. |
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| 22:51.42 | gevaerts | raptor: yes, but they will be shiny, improved, and happy grey hairs |
| 22:51.45 | raptor | I was speaking only in jest - i'm trying to gauge how much work will be involved |
| 22:51.55 | raptor | hehe |
| 22:52.15 | JordiGH | greenmachine? |
| 22:52.19 | JordiGH | C'est quoi? |
| 22:52.23 | carols | raptor: a lot of work. so if you have other commitments that will take up a portion of your time I wouldn't recommend it |
| 22:53.02 | JordiGH | Oh, duh, that's not your org affiliation, but your nick. |
| 22:53.07 | JordiGH | can't read hostmasks. |
| 22:53.23 | raptor | JordiGH: affiliation - bitfighter |
| 22:53.30 | hekate | it's basically like a job raptor |
| 22:53.58 | JordiGH | Oh, cute, a game. |
| 22:54.02 | gevaerts | well, it will depend on how big your organisation is and how many student slots you have to juggle |
| 22:54.18 | raptor | mentors/admins require as much work as the students? |
| 22:54.31 | JordiGH | hekate: Really? I've only been a mentor. I could basically dedicate a couple of hours every other day to check up on my mentee and offer some advice. Maybe I got an unusually easy mentee. |
| 22:54.58 | hekate | JordiGH: well, from the perspective of the mentee that is |
| 22:55.03 | hekate | scrolls up |
| 22:55.16 | hekate | oh, raptor is a mentor |
| 22:55.16 | JordiGH | hekate: I figured raptor was a mentor/admin. |
| 22:55.28 | hekate | my bad, disregard what I said |
| 22:56.23 | raptor | well, still debating... |
| 22:57.03 | raptor | seems like it'd be a really good opportunity |
| 22:58.04 | JordiGH | bitfighter seems kind of small... I have no idea how they actually select projects, but I think you might have a hard time getting accepted as an org. Have you considered some umbrella corp? |
| 22:58.23 | JordiGH | Er, org, not corp |
| 22:59.23 | raptor | we're super tiny, yes; but it rarely hurts to try! |
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| 23:03.46 | d34th4ck3r | is there some way find out number of projects and students select from/for a specific organization in gsoc 2011? |
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| 23:06.43 | d34th4ck3r | ? |
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| 23:07.41 | JordiGH | d34th4ck3r: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/projects/list/google/gsoc2011 |
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| 23:31.04 | snizzo | I have a question regarding gsoc. Is it possible to partecipate writing pyhon code? |
| 23:31.29 | carols | snizzo: yes, for those orgs that use python |
| 23:31.51 | snizzo | carols: thank you! |
| 23:31.54 | carols | yw |
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| 23:47.27 | MatthewWilkes | carols! |
| 23:47.32 | carols | MatthewWilkes! |
| 23:50.59 | MatthewWilkes | carols: Guess who's been volunteered to write a GSoC application! Yay! If you could forget those suggestions I made to add some more questions to the application that'd be great! |
| 23:51.18 | carols | MatthewWilkes: ha, someone stuck you with the job again this year did they? |
| 23:52.19 | Lennie | knows which application is going to secretly disappear this year |
| 23:52.30 | MatthewWilkes | secretly disappear? :( |
| 23:52.37 | carols | Lennie: aw, after MatthewWilkes is going to work so hard on it? |
| 23:52.47 | Lennie | carols, that's the point :D |
| 23:52.52 | carols | i see |
| 23:52.52 | MatthewWilkes | carols: Well, someone else did one last year, but didn't tell us or ask anyone else if it was happening. Sooo, we did two |
| 23:53.02 | carols | oh, i see |
| 23:53.34 | gevaerts | MatthewWilkes: try to do better this year |
| 23:53.35 | Lennie | Or MatthewWilkes you can fill in an empty app and I'll secretly approve it :P? |
| 23:53.38 | scorche | MatthewWilkes: crowdsource it! |
| 23:53.39 | gevaerts | See if you manage four :) |
| 23:53.50 | MatthewWilkes | I delegated to kevin7kal, too, so last year I didn't do much work, but it seems to be my turn again |
| 23:54.12 | MatthewWilkes | scorche: We do crowdsource it! |
| 23:54.12 | scorche | MatthewWilkes: i would say that works well, but i think gevaerts and i were the only ones who touched the wiki page last year ;) |
| 23:54.16 | MatthewWilkes | Don't you? *judge* |
| 23:54.39 | Lennie | How's your business going MatthewWilkes ? |
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| 23:55.05 | MatthewWilkes | We've had plone events at handy times in past years, it's easy to force people to contribute in person with a stick |
| 23:55.19 | MatthewWilkes | Lennie: I've been doing a lot of contracting the last few weeks, not had much time for anything else :( |
