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| 04:45.00 | cfoch3 | hi |
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| 04:45.50 | cfoch3 | I read the winner projects would be announced in the blog |
| 04:45.56 | cfoch3 | is that right? |
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| 05:27.59 | bharath | can I find the proposals of the last year |
| 05:31.52 | kstar | No, they are private and personal information. Unless someone has specifically shared it, there's no access to proposals from others. |
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| 05:47.29 | tomprince | Although project ideas from most orgs are probably still up. |
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| 06:24.48 | Testing123 | anyone here knows what's the IRC for GeoGebra? |
| 06:25.43 | kblin | !anyone | Testing123 |
| 06:25.43 | gsocbot | Testing123: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. Try searching for the org's contact info or even just try a /join #<mentoring org here> |
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| 06:27.32 | Testing123 | thanks, did work |
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| 07:08.45 | thebolt | morning kblin / kai |
| 07:10.15 | kblin | off to work |
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| 11:41.34 | dneary | Hi Nightrose |
| 11:41.36 | dneary | (sorry, long lag ;) |
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| 11:57.26 | kai | hehehe |
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| 11:58.20 | kai | there really is a perl module that can treat a CSV file like a SQL database |
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| 12:33.10 | Nightrose | dneary: ;-) |
| 12:33.26 | dneary | Nightrose, I'll ping you again tomorrow :) |
| 12:33.49 | Nightrose | ok |
| 12:34.07 | kai | hey Nightrose, congrats on getting the book out |
| 12:34.24 | Nightrose | kai: thanks! |
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| 12:56.07 | Guest65947 | can i get information about expected organizations inGsoc 2012 |
| 12:56.26 | weltall | no |
| 12:56.37 | weltall | you'll have to wait a while still |
| 12:57.26 | Guest65947 | k..i m a starter and thought about starting the work a little early |
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| 13:16.32 | weltall | you could try last year orgs but nothing is known till google publicizes the orgs |
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| 13:43.08 | molqr | who all are the mentor organizations this time? |
| 13:43.31 | molqr | sorry this question has been already asked |
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| 13:47.48 | SukhE | molqr: Will be announced on March 16 (http://google-melange.appspot.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2012). |
| 13:47.59 | David_Ho1eynet | molqr: mentoring orgs haven't started applying yet (http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2012) - results March 16th |
| 13:48.03 | David_Ho1eynet | snap ;-) |
| 13:48.09 | molqr | SukhE: thanks so much. David_Ho1eynet thanks |
| 13:48.18 | SukhE | Heh. |
| 13:48.22 | SukhE | molqr: np. |
| 13:49.04 | molqr | good then i have some time to prepare and study for it then :) |
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| 16:17.39 | JordiGH | What do you think guys, how does this look? http://octave.org/wiki/index.php?title=GSoC_Project_Ideas |
| 16:18.12 | molqr | JordiGH: will you be a mentor this year? |
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| 16:18.45 | JordiGH | molqr: I'm trying to be. If Octave doesn't get accepted (horror!) I'll try to get a project through GNU again like last year. But I think Octave is big enough to stand on its own. |
| 16:19.09 | molqr | oh nice ... this is good news :) |
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| 16:22.08 | molqr | JordiGH: so one should apply to octave based on that page? |
| 16:22.35 | JordiGH | Well, assuming we get accepted. I still have to figure out other things, like templates for student proposals. |
| 16:22.59 | JordiGH | I might yoink some other org's templates and adapt them to Octave. |
| 16:23.20 | molqr | JordiGH: best of luck! i will be rooting for you :) yeah why reinvent the wheel |
| 16:23.46 | molqr | emacs org mode maintenance seems nice.. though i don't know elisp ... |
| 16:24.08 | JordiGH | Octave mode, you mean? |
| 16:24.27 | molqr | JordiGH: yes sir |
| 16:24.34 | JordiGH | org-mode is something else. |
| 16:24.44 | molqr | is ashamed :( sorry |
| 16:24.58 | molqr | slip of fingers and attention i guess :( |
| 16:25.16 | JordiGH | I'm not sure if that's an ok project. Although it's something mostly Octave users care about, the code is currently in the Emacs source tree, not in Octave's. |
| 16:25.18 | molqr | jwe wrote it i guess |
| 16:25.22 | JordiGH | Yeah, long ago. |
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| 16:25.38 | molqr | aah i see. |
| 16:25.49 | JordiGH | It needs updates. He wrote it before Octave adopted a lot of Matlab syntax, so if you write in Matlab style, the mode falters. |
| 16:26.12 | molqr | hmm... |
| 16:26.35 | JordiGH | Similarly, writing in Octave style using a separate matlab-mode also has problems. |
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| 18:06.10 | JordiGH | About mentorship... |
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| 18:06.58 | JordiGH | Some people don't want to be doing the day-to-day student interactions, but they are happy answering questions. |
| 18:07.10 | JordiGH | So... something like unofficial mentorship? |
| 18:07.31 | JordiGH | Last year when I was a mentor, we used the mailing list for the hard questions. |
| 18:07.42 | JordiGH | And everyone sort of co-mentored. |
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| 18:08.27 | gevaerts | JordiGH: that's the right model I think. If you do things one on one too much, the students won't actually learn anything about how to work in a community |
| 18:08.46 | molqr | JordiGH: that is good :) crowd intelligence at work there |
| 18:08.52 | JordiGH | Right, but right now as I'm recording who is willing to "mentor", what should I say? |
| 18:09.06 | JordiGH | It's not like we're unfriendly or too lazy to mentor. |
| 18:09.08 | molqr | JordiGH: please mentor |
| 18:09.11 | gevaerts | hm, good question :) |
| 18:09.11 | JordiGH | It's that we like to do it as a community. |
| 18:10.26 | gevaerts | Well, I'd say the limiting factor (in this area) is going to be the number of people who do want to do the day to day mentoring |
| 18:11.21 | gevaerts | So as far as the strict numbers go, that's what matters. You can explain about the others in the prose bits |
| 18:11.38 | gevaerts | adds the usual disclaimers about possibly not knowing what he's talking about |
| 18:11.40 | JordiGH | Last year, day-to-day mentoring was pretty easy. It was just a matter of sending the student an email every two or three days when he was quiet. And the work got done anyway. He was already very independent. If that's all it takes, a single mentor can do maybe five students, with the help of the rest of the community. |
| 18:12.02 | gevaerts | Yes, but not all students are like that |
| 18:12.02 | JordiGH | But what are more difficult students like? |
| 18:12.12 | JordiGH | You have to spend time on IRC with them? |
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| 18:12.47 | gevaerts | never really had to deal with the more time-intnsive variety of student, so he can't really say much about them |
| 18:13.05 | weltall | likewise here mentoring was quite easy |
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| 18:15.17 | JordiGH | checks the FAQ, surely there's something about this there. |
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| 19:49.48 | carols | serves some tea and cookies |
| 19:50.20 | JordiGH | Any of you going to LibrePlanet? I'm considering it... |
| 19:50.36 | gevaerts | drinks some tea |
| 19:51.17 | JordiGH | Is it liberty tea? |
| 19:51.57 | carols | JordiGH: was that question directed at someone in particular? |
| 19:52.10 | JordiGH | No, not really. |
| 19:52.15 | JordiGH | Just being silly, sorry. |
| 19:52.42 | JordiGH | I wanted to wedge in some joke about tea parties in Boston, where LibrePlanet is gonna be, but I couldn't do it convincingly. |
| 19:54.05 | gevaerts | is reminded of http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/libiberty/ by all this. Maybe his mind is just confused |
| 19:54.28 | JordiGH | Huh, that sounds like gnulib. |
| 19:54.44 | JordiGH | I do have a serious business question, though. |
| 19:54.49 | JordiGH | Maybe I should ask in the mailiing list? |
| 19:54.50 | gevaerts | It's liberty, but with the first syllable repeated instead of the last :) |
| 19:55.52 | gevaerts | JordiGH: I'd say it depends. If it's a long question that will get a long answer, the mailing list |
| 19:56.07 | gevaerts | If it's a short question with a short answer, anywhere works |
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| 19:57.14 | JordiGH | I'll try to rephrase my question from earlier: right now I'm trying to convince people to mentor. Several people have said they're happy to answer student questions in the mailing lists, but not as many seem willing to chase down students on day-to-day affairs. However, the chasing down part is "easy". So... what counts as someone willing to be a mentor? |
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| 20:00.25 | gevaerts | Or try both of course :) |
| 20:00.29 | JordiGH | Maybe I should try the mailing list now. :_) |
| 20:00.34 | JordiGH | Oy, broken nose. |
| 20:00.35 | JordiGH | :-) |
| 20:03.45 | downeym | JordiGH: We ask our mentors to spend an average of 4 hours per week contact time, and always respond as promptly as possible to questions etc. (and to fill out a weekly status report) |
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| 20:04.09 | JordiGH | I said 5. |
| 20:04.11 | JordiGH | Hm. |
| 20:04.34 | downeym | JordiGH: That time is usually split throughout the week in different media (email, IRC, Skype, phone, IM, etc.) |
| 20:04.44 | JordiGH | Phone! |
| 20:04.51 | JordiGH | forgot people still used that. |
| 20:05.06 | downeym | JordiGH: we had a student local to one of our devs/mentors last year :) |
| 20:06.05 | JordiGH | Now I want to suggest mentors to use snail mail, just for the romanticism of it. |
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| 20:06.42 | JordiGH | Print out your diffs and enclose them in envelope, next to handwritten notes. |
| 20:07.27 | downeym | JordiGH: etch code into stone tablets? |
| 20:07.42 | JordiGH | The Octavian Scrolls of Virtue. |
| 20:07.56 | downeym | :) |
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| 20:13.12 | gevaerts | knows that JordiGH talked on the phone at least once during the last half year! |
| 20:13.23 | JordiGH | Haha. |
| 20:13.38 | JordiGH | I honestly ever talk on the phone. |
| 20:13.41 | JordiGH | I don't even own a mobile phone. |
| 20:13.52 | JordiGH | s/ever/never/ |
| 20:15.31 | weltall | you lend it from others nice tactic :D |
| 20:15.47 | gevaerts | Who are you and what did you do to the JordiGH who talked to me on the phone for at least 30 seconds? ;) |
| 20:15.49 | JordiGH | Sorrrry, I normally use public phones, but they don't seem to work in the US anymore. |
| 20:16.42 | weltall | they are removing them in italy too |
| 20:18.31 | JordiGH | They still work in Canada! |
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| 20:18.36 | JordiGH | Reliably, too. |
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| 20:20.40 | weltall | yes they work till they are gone :D |
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| 20:21.31 | JordiGH | Really? I could never get them to work in the US. |
| 20:21.38 | JordiGH | I stubbornly tried a few times, and they just ate my money. |
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| 20:37.50 | fradeve | :5 |
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