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01:32.50cythesWOAH lots o' people
01:33.58cythesyet.... no one talking.
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01:35.20thebolteveryone is busy with their applications.. (or in a timezone where you should be sleeping now ;)
01:36.10cythesYeah I was thinking about joining but I dont know if I am ready / know enough. -- Not to good at code but i want to learn
01:38.14ojwb!amigoodenough | cythes
01:38.14gsocbotcythes: "amigoodenough" is http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ch003_am-i-good-enough/
01:39.01tomprincecythes: Not everybody is here to talk. Most are probably just idling, too keep on top of what is going on, or here to ask questions. (Most people on most IRC channels are probably doing something similiar)
01:39.25tomprinceI leave my IRC connection open, so I can see what people say, even when I am not around.
01:42.19cythesYeah I am not in college, and I have minimal experiance... I think I will pass this time around. xD
01:43.23chrisoelmuellernote that you don't need to be in college to work on open source projects
01:43.42tomprinceAnd that that would be a great way to get more experience.
01:47.09cythesYeah I have been working in linux for a few years and presently have arch set up on my laptop.
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04:03.52Guest2242hi - anyone out there to answer a question regarding organizational applications?
04:05.46atuljangraCan you be more specific ?
04:07.23Guest2242sure - just wondering if the channel was active...  The Q is:  I can see our organizational app on my GSOC dashboard, but didn't get any indication (email, status flag, ...?) that the app was complete/submitted/etc.  Am I missing something, or the lack of feedback a sign things are normal...!
04:08.12Guest2242(not clear to me if there was a contact email so thought I'd try this channel)
04:09.08atuljangrayou must ask carol . maybe through the mailiing list
04:09.13ojwbGuest2242: if it's on your dashboard you submitted it
04:09.41ojwbfriday is when you should hear
04:09.42Guest2242OK - Thanks.  I'll take a look at the mailing lists.  Figured I'd follow this link first.  Thanks, and good evening (depending on timezone...)
04:09.47Guest2242thanks
04:10.07ojwbcheck the timeline for the time - I don't remember off hand
04:10.18atuljangraIt's okay :)
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04:42.11greenkoboldv1z,  http://ln-s.net/9mfv . Another letter has been written
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05:57.59lizardpunchOne of my goals for this summer is to learn C++. I'm fairly close to finishing my first read through Accelerated C++ and I was wondering whether GSoC would be a good way to help me learn. Anyone care to chuck some advice at me?
05:59.47snclizardpunch: probably depends on the group, and how well you can demonstrate what you're capable of doing
06:00.35Catfish_Manlizardpunch: the real world is, as a rule, harsh. That said, if you managed to pull it off, it'd be a great learning experience
06:00.52lizardpunchCatfish_Man, I like your name.
06:02.23Catfish_Manyours isn't bad either :)
06:02.28lizardpunchI think it would be a lot easier to apply myself if I were to get accepted to the program. Mainly because I'd get the stipend and that would allow me to work part-time this summer, instead of full-time.
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06:02.51lizardpunchI like to think I'm a hard worker :P
06:04.20ojwbworking part time in addition to GSoC isn't ideal
06:05.23lizardpunchojwb, unfortunately, not working isn't really an option for me :) Even dropping down to part-time would make things tight.
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06:10.33lizardpunchHow many people get rejected from GSoC? There were almost 1,000 projects accepted last year.
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06:14.04Catfish_Manlizardpunch: historically it's been somewhere between 10 and 20% accepted
06:15.15ojwb!numapps
06:15.16gsocbotojwb: "numapps" is 417 mentoring orgs applied and 175 were accepted in 2011; 5474 proposals were submitted by 3731 students, and 1116 were accepted. In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and 151 were accepted; 5539 proposals were submitted by 3464 students, and 1026 were accepted.
06:17.04ojwbunless you're counting proposals rather than submitters, it's more like 30%
06:17.25Catfish_Manah, fair enough
06:17.35Catfish_Manmixed up those two counts
06:17.39ojwband there's a thick seam of junk at the bottom end of that, so it's really rather better than that
06:17.52kblinright
06:18.06Catfish_Manthe whole "what are my chances" question we get every year never made sense to me
06:18.08Catfish_Manit's not a lottery
06:18.41ojwbthere's a certain element of luck in some cases, but it's a bit like asking what your chances of getting an A on your exam are
06:18.57kblinI'd say that if you were in contact with your mentoring org before, and got in a good proposal, your chances are pretty good
06:18.58ojwbrather than your chances of winning at roulette
06:19.06Catfish_Manojwb: I guess it's closer to asking "what are my chances of getting an A on this curve-graded exam"
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06:21.22ojwbCatfish_Man: yes, that's pretty close
06:21.58ojwbi wonder how many orgs applied this year
06:22.02ojwbhas carols said?
06:22.23Catfish_Mannot that I've heard
06:23.07Catfish_ManI think I'm going to go read for a while then sleep
06:23.09Catfish_Man'night folks
06:23.55kblinojwb: usually this is announced together with the acccepted orgs
06:26.27ojwbso the org "chances" are 41-42% (but again not really)
06:26.37ojwbI wonder if there's less junk there
06:27.57lizardpunchWell then
06:28.14lizardpunchI suppose I'll just have to wait until the list of mentors is released and see what I see.
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06:29.13lizardpunchFor now though, it's time to hit the sack. Cheers.
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09:48.56kaimorning folks
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11:42.27riothey, WinterMute: do you know if there is an irc channel for dspython?
11:42.56riotanyone interested in developing a robotics GUI interface with dspython for nintendo ds? Data comes and goes as json (to a robotic boat, first ;)
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11:47.06riotWinterMute: oh, i found it :>
11:47.50riotgeez, its empty :( isn't that #dsdev here on freenode?
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12:35.21sECuREi missed the deadline for mentoring organizations. is there any way i could still apply?
12:36.06kaisure, you can wait for next year :)
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12:36.28sECuREok, that’s an obvious solution, but i was hoping we could still do something about this year’s gsoc
12:36.52gevaertsYou could try talking to other organisations and see if you can find common projects
12:37.11sECuREcommon projects?
12:37.21dadkinswhat type of project do you have? there may be an umbrella org willing to accept you
12:37.42sECuREi have several project ideas, the organization is http://i3wm.org
12:40.26dadkinsthe 2012 list of accepted orgs is not out yet, so we do not know which orgs were accepted....the 2011 list is here http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2011   you might look at that list and see if you think your project would be beneficial to any of those orgs and contact them directly
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13:43.01Rayltonwho are the Program Administrator in this year?
13:43.57|Kev|Carol.
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13:47.16Rayltonwanted to know the name of the Program Administratorn this year. Someone can help-me?
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13:48.55thiagoRaylton: |Kev| has already answered you
13:49.08gevaertsOnly half, I'd say
13:49.12gevaertsCarol Smith
13:49.25|Kev|There's only one Carol active on the lists that I've noticed ;)
13:50.15gevaertsTrue, but I don't know the question is related to the lists!
13:50.39Rayltonok guys!
13:50.45Rayltonok ... I'll jot down
13:50.50Rayltonthanks
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14:23.15kaimlankhorst: heyas
14:23.27mlankhorsthey :)
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16:07.31cristipiticulHello! I have a problem regarding the google code-in contest which took place during this winter... I've just received the card and t-shirt and the whole stuff, but the card contains $105 (as written in the envelope: Initial Card Value: $105.00), even though I've made 6 tasks. I've checked it on the citibank site and there it says too that it has 105 dollars. Can anybody here please help me?
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16:09.05gevaertscristipiticul: contact Stephanie Taylor by email
16:09.16cristipiticulokay, thank you
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16:35.20nickonHey all
16:35.40nickoncan anyone tell me if there is a temporary list of organizations that will be applying
16:36.02nickonlast year there was a google doc citing all the organizations and there corresponding ideas page :)
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16:37.07kaiI doubt that
16:38.17edsipernickon, not sure if exists one this year, but in two days you will have all info..
16:38.30edsipernickon, that was an unofficial list btw..
16:38.40nickonI know it was unofficial :)
16:38.50gevaertsIIRC Last year there was a list compiled by someone that had maybe 20% of the applying orgs. I'd say just looking at last year's list will be much more useful
16:38.51nickonguess I'll just have to wait then ;)
16:39.20edsipernickon, but past year organizations list could give you an idea...
16:40.17nickonYes, but there is no guarantee that last years organizations will be accepted this year so
16:40.29JordiGHThere is no gaurantee of anything.
16:40.45JordiGHMaybe tomorrow Google will say, "haha, GSoC is called off. You fell for it!"
16:40.45edsiperindeed, same applies for an unofficial list :)
16:41.04edsiperj #gio
16:41.06edsiperups
16:41.24nickonBut unofficial list gives you an opportunity to look at some projects that might interest you, and you maybe could apply for in the case that org is accepted
16:41.51JordiGHnickon: Just use last year's list.
16:41.52nickonlast years list aren't that interesting regarding this
16:42.08gevaertsnickon: how does an unofficial list of applying organisations have a higher guarantee of having accepted organisations than last year's list?
16:42.12JordiGHWell, there is no unofficial list, and also, just wait two mor days.
16:42.19JordiGHmore
16:42.31JordiGHJumping the gun by two days is unlikely to give you an edge.
16:42.42nickonNever mind guys, I didn't mean to start a "which list is best discussion"
16:42.49nickonjust wanted to know if there was such a list this year
16:42.54nickonbecause i was interested in it
16:42.56nickonnothing more
16:43.02JordiGHJust wait two days for the real list!
16:43.22nickonJordiGH: no need for saying that over and over again, I got it the first time ;)
16:43.41JordiGHGo enjoy some time in the sun. Kiss the object of your affection. Knit a scarf for a loved one.
16:43.48JordiGHAnd come back in two days.
16:43.59edsiper<JordiGH> Go enjoy some time in the sun. Kiss the object of your affection. Knit a scarf for a loved one. // +1
16:44.19nickonThanks for the valuable advice
16:44.24gevaertsknows he was annoyed last year by that list
16:44.27nickonI'll knit a scarf then
16:44.29tomprinceI wonder what the acceptance rate is for repeat orgs?
16:44.44nickon:)
16:44.50edsiperdrinks a coffee
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16:45.27gevaertstomprince: should be easy to work out. The list is available for 2009, 2010, and 2011 :)
16:46.42gevaertsOf course it's not that easy to know if an org went away because it didn't apply or because it didn't get selected, and orgs moving in and out of umbrellas also don't really help
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16:47.05edsiperi am wondering how the mentors summit is..
16:47.08gevaertsStill, that should provide two days worth of amusement while waiting for this year's list :)
16:47.13JordiGHedsiper: What about it?
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16:47.31edsiperJordiGH, in terms of experience..
16:47.38edsipertalks, discussions...
16:47.40JordiGHedsiper: It's a lot of fun.
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16:47.58JordiGHedsiper: Bring a swimsuit.
16:48.03JordiGHshould have brought one.
16:48.07edsiperhaha
16:48.20edsiperlets see if he we have luck this year first :)
16:48.43edsiperremoves the "he"
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17:09.50ManobalaHi all
17:10.25ManobalaI'm new to this channel, and would like to know how to approach a mentor for gsoc
17:10.49JordiGHYou generally approach an organisation first.
17:11.01JordiGHThey should have interesting projects.
17:11.12Catfish_Manthen you wait until student proposals are accepted, and submit one or more via the gsoc webapp
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17:12.44ManobalaShould I approach organizations after the accepted organizations list has been released?
17:13.45Catfish_ManManobala: that does save you the possible hassle of putting time into one that ends up not being accepted
17:13.45anth_xeach organization publishes a list of ideas as part of their application to participate.
17:14.22anth_xmany (most?) people take a look at those and approach the org with one in mind.
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17:14.56ManobalaSo its a good idea to wait until March 16, right?
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17:16.14anth_xprobably. unless you have a specific idea you already know you'd like to work on, in which case start talking to the relevant org now.
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17:17.53vinod261hello
17:18.18anth_xhowdy
17:18.23vinod261@kishan
17:18.30vinod261hello
17:18.55kishanvinod261: hi
17:19.10kishanhaving dinner mate, give me some time
17:19.11kishan:)
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17:19.16vinod261ohh
17:19.21Manobalathank you JordiGH and Catfish_Man
17:19.22vinod261continue dude..
17:19.32vinod261have a nice dinner..
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17:20.35vinod261I want to participate in Gsoc2012..
17:20.42vinod261help me out
17:20.57Catfish_Manvinod261: have you read the faq?
17:21.03greenkoboldis Ardour guys applying this year?
17:21.08vinod261yea
17:21.44vinod261i want to build some code for some project
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17:23.41anth_xvinod261: good! participating orgs get announced friday; student applications open after that.
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17:24.46vinod261yeah i do know that but how to get in contact with the organisations for discussing ideas.
17:24.47anth_xin the mean time, make sure you've read the excellent Student Manual (http://www.booki.cc/gsocstudentguide/)
17:25.14anth_xthis is a good place to start new students: http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforStudents
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17:40.45anth_xanyone here a member of the google-summer-of-code project on code.google.com?
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18:42.11WhatzisnehmHey, I'm looking for someone to clear out a few doubts and help me regarding gdoc '12
18:42.18Whatzisnehm*gsoc '12
18:43.33gevaertsWhatzisnehm: your best bet is to just ask, and if anyone knows the answer they'll reply
18:44.12WhatzisnehmOK, thanks.
18:45.07WhatzisnehmBasically, I'm very interested in open source devlopment, but I don't have much of code to show.
18:45.22WhatzisnehmWould that be a major hindrace when applying for gsoc projects ?
18:46.16WhatzisnehmAs in, should I concentrate on working on something small now for the next couple of weeks, so that I have something to show when sending in my application?
18:46.58denialsWhatzisnehm: It depends on the organization, to some degree. Having a portfolio can help, but if you can submit a bug fix or small enhancement for the project you're interested in, that goes a really long way
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18:48.20thiagoit shows commitment and that you can get the source code building
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18:48.46thiagowhile it's not necessary to do it, it might earn you points
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18:50.30WhatzisnehmOh, I see, thanks a lot :)
18:51.18WhatzisnehmAnother clarification. I read in the number of places, that it is advisable to interact with people on the organisation's IRC channel, and discuss the feasibility of project ideas
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18:51.51WhatzisnehmWhat do you reckon are the chances of plagiarism of ideas ?
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18:59.19mlankhorstWhatzisnehm: if it happened, it would be pretty obvious..
19:00.02WhatzisnehmSo I needn't be apprehensive of sharing my ideas, and asking for constructive feedback?
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19:01.21mlankhorstWhatzisnehm: lets just say you come up with something, the fact you discussed it publicly would be evidence enough if someone else copies it verbatim
19:01.29denialsWhatzisnehm: in many (most?) orgs, the potential mentors & org admins will also be the people in IRC answering your questions, so they'll be able to associate you with your project idea
19:01.34mlankhorstand mentors are not stupid :)
19:02.10denialsis a bit stupid
19:02.11WhatzisnehmThat's a relief.
19:02.24mlankhorstdenials: read in context..
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19:02.56WhatzisnehmThank you so much, all of you. :)
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19:14.06dadkinshopes everyone is having a happy pi day!
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19:15.04Lenniedadkins, says that at exactly 3:14 my time :P
19:16.21gevaertsdadkins: months aren't decimal!
19:19.02JordiGHpi is an absurd liberal myth.
19:19.23JordiGHOPEN YOUR EYES PEOPLE. You've been getting short-changed all this time. Just getting half of your fundamental constant's worth.
19:20.19gevaertsJordiGH: us diametralists have no such issue!
19:20.23gevaertsIt
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19:20.37gevaerts's only you silly radials
19:20.56JordiGHI'm a free radial.
19:21.25gevaerts:)
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19:25.54censorydepyou only *think* that JordiGH.  IBM is in the process of patenting Pi, and will soon be charging all of you free radial hippies royalties. ;-)
19:26.20JordiGH¡Venceremos!
19:26.30meflinmy Pi day has no Pie
19:26.41meflinsad sad day
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19:33.36mlankhorstmeflin: here you go https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNrXMOSkBas
19:33.37mlankhorstruns
19:34.36summatusmentismlankhorst: what... what is this?
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19:34.46mlankhorstpinkie pie :D
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19:35.05summatusmentisthat means nothing...
19:35.53gevaertsgrumbles about all those misguided pi-day people!
19:35.56mlankhorstsummatusmentis: new my little pony series, it's awesome
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19:36.54mlankhorstalthough the specific video was just a song cut out from an episode
19:39.37mlankhorstif you get over the fact it's a kids series it's fun, the specific episode had tons of old-style cartoon humor :)
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19:39.50scorche|shmeh - i tried to get into it, but...
19:40.01dadkinsoffers some pi to gevaerts (there is, after all, plenty for everyone!)
19:40.03scorche|shmaybe i just need to stop comparing it to PPG
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19:44.18mlankhorstscorche|sh: if you don't like it it's ok too, not everyone enjoys the same things, as long as you enjoy open source :)
19:44.57meflinI hate open source
19:45.05meflinI just hate it less then the alternatives
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19:46.20summatusmentismlankhorst: that doesn't sound awesome
19:46.37summatusmentisI don't understand the draw to childrens shows
19:46.45summatusmentisexcept Rugrats
19:46.52summatusmentisRugrats is weirdly creepy
19:47.17mlankhorstsummatusmentis: oh at one point you get tired of all series going about dark topics or love and you need a break from it, I love old animations too
19:47.27mlankhorstanimaniacs and such :)
19:47.52summatusmentishonestly? I almost never watch tv
19:47.58zz3599Sorry to sound stupid but does Google participate in GSOC as an org?
19:48.00summatusmentisthere are 4 shows I keep up with, and that's about it
19:48.07mlankhorstzz3599: see faq :)
19:48.54mlankhorstsummatusmentis: oh you can watch this one on youtube if you want
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19:50.23summatusmentisin all my spare time :)
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19:51.21JordiGHohnoes bronies
19:51.28meflinI'm begining this week is the longest week of the year :D
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19:51.59mlankhorstJordiGH: well I spent 14 hours this week to find a single flipped bit that only showed up if you didn't process the logs..
19:52.21mlankhorstyou'll go insane if you keep running in those bugs :X
19:52.33JordiGHI got plenty of bugs of my own.
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20:36.47winnieis it possible to work on an idea not proposed on the "ideas list" from the project during GSoC?
20:37.31gevaertsyes
20:37.35Lenniewinnie, encouraged even
20:37.46Lenniewinnie, if you have a great idea send it in as a proposal to the org
20:38.16LennieNote that it has to be something that's a summer's worth of work though :)
20:38.23meflinone of our ideas last year was a idea we didn't know we needed :)
20:38.38denialswinnie: absolutely!
20:39.41winnieLennie: how do I know that it's worth working on or that it is big enough? do I contact the organization before actually applying?
20:40.41tomprinceYou should do that anyway.
20:40.42dhaunwinnie: absolutely! it may be something they've considered before and rejected, for example; or something that's possible with an add-on you're not aware of
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20:41.33LennieIf you want to increase your odds yes
20:41.40winnieok, thanks!
20:41.57tomprinceOrgs are more likely to accept students that they are familiar with from interaction before the application process begins.
20:41.58meflinbest to contact even if you do a list item
20:42.11Lennietomprince, ++
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20:56.35Lennie!karma
20:56.37aleekoi o/
20:56.45LennieToo bad we don't have that :P
20:56.49aleekready to roll ~o~
20:56.52dhaunno karma today
20:56.55Lennierick roll?
20:57.05Lenniedice roll?
20:57.07aleekmaybe :>
20:57.13gevaertscheese roll?
20:57.28Lenniehands gevaerts a cookie since he is talking about food
20:58.15gevaertsThanks!
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20:59.55JordiGHspring roll!
21:00.47LennieJordiGH, one of my favorite foods :)
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21:03.05gsocbotJordiGH: "this cookie" is for you
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21:04.38Lennie!this bot | gevaerts
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21:04.54LennieSo much bot foo gevaerts
21:05.01LennieI bow to thee
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22:10.24dureaujosephI am writing on behalf of the Simforence organization team. We have applied for the Google Summer of Code 2012 respecting the application deadlines, but have not received any confirmation email since then. We just wanted to make sure that our application was correct and has been validated. Thanks for your help.
22:10.39Lenniedureaujoseph, go to www.google-melange.com
22:10.42Lennieopen your dashboard
22:10.50Lennieif it is in there then your application has been received :)
22:11.48dureaujosephOk, perfect, I just wanted to make sure there was no confirmation email. Thanks a lot!
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22:22.06JoolesEvening all :)
22:22.21carolshi Jooles
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22:25.55anth_xthat reminds me - time for tea. :-)
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