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02:11.35 | thebolt | morning |
02:12.01 | wtachi | !countdown |
02:12.02 | gsocbot | wtachi: "countdown" is Countdown for accepted organization list: http://goo.gl/WWIAU |
02:12.06 | anth_x | evening. :-) |
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03:00.43 | qheaden | Hi. I live in the US, and am planning on applying to an organization for GSoC. If I get accepted, when do I submit my tax information? |
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03:02.59 | edsiper | qheaden, http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs ; May 21th: Google begins issuing initial student payments provided tax forms are on file and students are in good standing with their communities. |
03:03.56 | qheaden | edsiper: So basically, I need to have my tax information in before May 21st? |
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03:05.52 | edsiper | qheaden, as far as i understand , google provides you the tax forms on that day |
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03:06.12 | qheaden | Oh ok. |
03:06.34 | edsiper | qheaden, that should not be an issue, Google will guide you in the process.. |
03:06.54 | qheaden | So the list of accepted organizations are going to be revealed tomorrow right? I'm guessing Pacific time. |
03:08.43 | edsiper | qheaden, tomorrow, check the countdown http://goo.gl/WWIAU |
03:09.43 | qheaden | Thank you. |
03:11.35 | edsiper | you are welcome |
03:11.45 | edsiper | good luck when choosing an org.. |
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04:13.55 | JordiGH | Man, we've already gotten two patches from students before even getting accepted as an org. |
04:14.00 | JordiGH | hopes we get accepted. |
04:14.41 | edsiper | that's nice :) |
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05:07.52 | JordiGH | 'Twas the night before GSoC... |
05:07.55 | JordiGH | All through the 'net... |
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05:08.11 | JordiGH | Good night! |
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12:18.08 | JordiGH | !next |
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12:18.23 | JordiGH | omg omg omg omg omg omg |
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12:32.33 | kai | getting data onto an android 4 device is more painful than expected |
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12:33.36 | thebolt | ) |
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13:01.46 | kai | it's a nice tamagochi, and I went and installed an ssh client right away, so I could do some work with it in theory |
13:02.51 | kai | but getting my flacs on there only works with a special library for mtp support, and then only as root and one file at a time |
13:03.14 | kai | so the obvious solution seems to be getting a real fileserver up there |
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14:55.19 | downey | today is the big day, yes? |
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14:56.56 | Taggnostr | I have a question about the visa card that I received during the last gsoc, can I ask here? |
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14:58.54 | gevaerts | Taggnostr: you can. There's no guarantee that anyone currently awake and watching the screen can answer though |
14:58.57 | downey | Taggnostr: If it's a general question, we might collectively be able to help you. If it's something specific to your own situation, you should probably e-mail carols |
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15:00.07 | Taggnostr | ok, I'm trying to pay for something, and the fields are: "name on the card" (so my name), "Country of residence", "billing address", "City", "State", "Postal code" |
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15:01.13 | Taggnostr | if I put my country of residence, the fields for the billing address change, so since I think I have to put google billing address, I think I have to put "United states" as country of residence, right? |
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15:05.52 | downey | Taggnostr: good question, not being a student i haven't used the cards before. maybe someone else here has |
15:06.02 | downey | Taggnostr: generally in the US the second field for post code is optional |
15:06.19 | anth_x | Taggnostr: the last 4 help for routing, but are (as far as the postal service is concerned) optional. i'd be surprised if they were required on the form. |
15:06.34 | Taggnostr | maybe I can just try to leave it empty and submit |
15:06.37 | Mayank | Taggnostr: I have not used this card for online payment, but if I remember correctly from Carol's email last year - you need to enter the billing address as Google's and you could add the shipment address as your address. |
15:07.02 | downey | Taggnostr: you'll find out rather quickly if the address is not accepted :) |
15:07.32 | Taggnostr | ok, let's try (I'm buying a flight, so I'm the only thing being shipped) |
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15:10.24 | Mayank | Taggnostr: hah. ok! And yes I just checked the thread - you need to add the billing address as Google's address - https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-summer-of-code-students-list/cJMpA-da08M/RYleYkMXpv4J |
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15:11.16 | Taggnostr | apparently the session timed out while I was trying to figure out these things, so I'll have to do everything again |
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15:13.11 | LetterRip | watches second hand slowly drag by |
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15:15.39 | downey | 13,460 seconds :) |
15:15.44 | downey | http://mjd.bz/wJjbOf |
15:16.15 | Mayank | LetterRip: your org would be there on the list - almost 90%? |
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15:17.09 | LetterRip | Mayank: i'm always a pessimist :) |
15:18.09 | LetterRip | if we are accepted it is always a pleasant surprise |
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15:18.20 | LetterRip | well more of an optimistic pessimist |
15:18.25 | Mayank | LetterRip: Heh! Try being the other way around. You would'nt find the need to watch the second's hand. |
15:18.43 | Lennie | Any org admins here :)? |
15:18.57 | LetterRip | #Lennie - yeppers for Blender |
15:19.03 | LetterRip | and lots of others are here i'm sure |
15:19.07 | dadkins | !next |
15:19.08 | gsocbot | dadkins: "next" is Mar 16 19:00 UTC - List of accepted mentoring organizations published on the Google Summer of Code 2012 site. |
15:19.35 | dadkins | is asking are we there yet?? |
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15:20.18 | kai | !when | dadkins |
15:20.18 | gsocbot | dadkins: "when" is later |
15:20.46 | dadkins | :) |
15:20.48 | LetterRip | i'm sure carols is getting some well needed rest |
15:21.45 | LetterRip | poor gal was probably reviewing gsoc applications till the wee hours |
15:22.14 | Lennie | Just a note that if you are accepted you will need to invite your other admin manually. I might go in later today and run a script to give those who haven't gotten an invite by then admin rights but I'm not 100% sure yet. We'll make it better for next year :) |
15:22.39 | downey | Lennie: even if we specified their link ID already in the form? |
15:22.45 | Lennie | downey, yes |
15:22.49 | downey | Lennie: ok :) |
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15:23.10 | Lennie | It's an issue we have become aware of ~a week ago and there is no simple fix :) |
15:23.16 | anth_x | Lennie: i thought the other admin had to already be signed up (otherwise the application wouldn't recognize the link_id)? That was my experience anyway. |
15:23.22 | anth_x | Oh, i see. never mind. |
15:23.31 | Lennie | anth_x, yeah there lies the problem |
15:23.41 | Lennie | anth_x, signed up as a user but not with a profile for this years program |
15:24.04 | gevaerts | Lennie: I hope you get accepted this year so you get students to fix all that ;) |
15:24.30 | downey | heh |
15:24.35 | Lennie | gevaerts, not sure if it is a worthy project :), I am also not sure if we'll use any slots this year depending on what kind of ideas we get |
15:24.49 | Taggnostr | looks like it worked even with only the 5-digits zip code, thanks for help! |
15:24.50 | Lennie | We are nearly done with Melange, it's in way better shape these days :) |
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15:24.59 | downey | Taggnostr: cool |
15:25.05 | Lennie | Carol is also a lot happier with it :P |
15:25.26 | Lennie | The lists are still painful though :( |
15:25.48 | Lennie | But we were on AppEngine when it didn't even had cronjobs </hipster-cat> |
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15:25.58 | LetterRip | @Lennie - there was also some wierdness this year of not being able to locate the form - it didn't turn up on my admin page till after it was submitted |
15:26.15 | Lennie | LetterRip, you mean the dashboard? |
15:26.15 | LetterRip | fortunately someone knew where the link was located so was able to find it |
15:26.20 | LetterRip | yeah |
15:26.25 | Lennie | LetterRip, link was on the frontpage |
15:26.25 | Lennie | hmm |
15:26.40 | Lennie | LetterRip, could you file an issue stating you'd like a link on the dashboard during the org app period? :) |
15:26.44 | Lennie | !bug |
15:26.45 | gsocbot | Lennie: "bug" is file melange feature requests & bugs at http://tinyurl.com/new-issue |
15:27.01 | LetterRip | sure |
15:27.03 | Lennie | thanks! |
15:27.06 | gevaerts | Lennie: weren't there still some performance issues with tags and GCI? |
15:27.08 | hsy | Lennie: it was on the frontpage, but when you came from a google search, you didn't end up on the frontpage - at least, i think that was part of my confusion. |
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15:27.39 | Lennie | hsy, yeah the experience got thrown around a bit since we now require profiles before you can submit your application |
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15:27.55 | Lennie | hsy, patches welcome :D |
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15:28.11 | hsy | yay! |
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15:33.29 | Lennie | LetterRip, thanks for the report |
15:33.49 | LetterRip | np - thanks for working on melange :) |
15:35.23 | Lennie | LetterRip, we do our best :P. Lets hope things go smoothly today and otherwise we can all be reminded that software is written by humans :). |
15:35.52 | LetterRip | that is why i can't wait for the future where software is written by robots :) |
15:35.55 | LetterRip | heheh |
15:36.27 | Lennie | But who will make the robots :D |
15:36.38 | Lennie | Maybe we should just hire more monkeys :) |
15:36.38 | schumaml | other robots |
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15:37.40 | gevaerts | It's robots all the way down! |
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16:20.52 | vytas | Have a good weekend all ! |
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16:51.16 | JordiGH | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2012 |
16:51.19 | JordiGH | C'mon... |
16:51.21 | JordiGH | C'mooooon |
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16:51.56 | edsiper | haha, inactive |
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16:54.16 | lebek | how many of you are already in contact with an org you intend to do GSoC with? |
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16:56.13 | akarsh_es | lebek : i am |
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16:56.56 | lebek | akarsh_es: nice, who is it? |
16:57.07 | JordiGH | Let's hope that org gets accepted... |
16:57.23 | akarsh_es | lebek: org? QEMU |
16:57.46 | lebek | oh nice |
16:57.51 | akarsh_es | JordiGH : thnak you. i hope they do:) |
16:57.54 | lebek | I used that when I was learning ARM |
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16:58.47 | akarsh_es | lebek: great. i hope the experience with it was good. |
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17:00.11 | lebek | it was :) |
17:00.43 | lebek | there's a certain org I wish I'd asked to apply |
17:00.54 | lebek | I just assumed that would because they have in previous years |
17:00.58 | lebek | *they |
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17:04.01 | JordiGH | lebek: Which one? Curious. |
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17:04.34 | carols | serves some tea and coffee |
17:04.36 | carols | almost time :-) |
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17:04.45 | anth_x | tea time? ;-) |
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17:06.34 | lebek | JordiGH: tahoe-lafs https://tahoe-lafs.org/ |
17:06.59 | JordiGH | C'est quoi>? |
17:07.06 | JordiGH | Ah, a filesystem. |
17:07.29 | lebek | yeah a filesystem with some nice security properties |
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17:11.05 | edsiper | lebek, what it uses to server HTTP ? |
17:11.10 | edsiper | *serve |
17:11.14 | yliu | there are still more than one hours left to announce to accepted orgs...yawn..yawn...midnight in Asia time |
17:11.16 | JordiGitHate | Port 80? |
17:11.32 | lebek | edsiper: twisted |
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17:11.36 | yliu | hello room |
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17:12.16 | GenX | yliu, hi |
17:12.21 | yliu | wanna join the talks to keep clear |
17:12.22 | edsiper | lebek, got it. thanks |
17:12.26 | yliu | hi GenX |
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17:12.49 | yliu | GenX, are you mentor? |
17:13.12 | GenX | no |
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17:13.16 | akarsh_es | lebek: the org looks interesting. the chances of them getting selected is high i feel as they are supporting smaller orgs this time |
17:13.39 | brlcad | carols: can you share stats on how many applied and how many were accepted yet? |
17:13.50 | yliu | GenX, ah...so you are student...what will you apply for? |
17:13.52 | carols | brlcad: not yet. it'll be int he blog post in a couple hours. |
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17:14.03 | lebek | akarsh_es: the chances are remarkably low because they didn't apply ;) |
17:14.25 | lebek | akarsh_es: that's interesting that smaller orgs are getting more support this time |
17:14.28 | GenX | I an looking around something on Machine Learning or Natural Language Processing |
17:14.34 | edsiper | lebek, sounds a neat project... |
17:14.35 | GenX | s/an/am |
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17:15.21 | yliu | GenX, ah...looks profound to me... need much algorithm knowledge, hum? |
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17:16.02 | GenX | yliu, certainly |
17:17.05 | yliu | GenX, are there orgs og GSoC dealing with NLP? |
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17:17.10 | akarsh_es | lebek : oh:( |
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17:17.51 | lebek | nevermind there are lots of interesting projects :) |
17:18.17 | GenX | yliu, Apertium is one I know of. |
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17:19.53 | yliu | GenX, just had a dig on it. looks like it is a mature projects relatively |
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17:20.38 | lebek | I wonder if freebsd will be accepted if they're focusing on smaller orgs this year |
17:20.58 | GenX | yliu, what are you interested in ? |
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17:21.21 | lebek | probably, given Google's history with freebsd |
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17:22.06 | yliu | lebek, really? smaller orgs need more support to grow bigger...so this focus looks great to me |
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17:23.00 | yliu | GenX, I am interested in system level software, like distributed file system, os... |
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17:23.43 | yliu | GenX, but unfortunately, i can't apply...well, I will be a mentor if our probjects are accepted this year |
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17:25.31 | edsiper | yliu, what's your org ? |
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17:25.47 | yliu | edsiper, sheepdog |
17:25.59 | GenX | yliu, :) |
17:26.08 | yliu | a distributed block storage for KVM |
17:26.14 | JordiGitHate | I'm trembling like a leaf. |
17:26.15 | lebek | yliu: I agree with you, just speculating on the nature of the focus - i.e. will it be a reweighting: more small orgs, or a complete shift: all small orgs |
17:26.16 | JordiGitHate | So nervous! |
17:26.22 | edsiper | yliu, it looks nice |
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17:27.24 | yliu | edsiper, thanks...what are you interested in? |
17:27.56 | gevaerts | lebek: as far as I know neither the number of organisations nor the number of students will change dramatically, so "all small orgs" seems rather unlikely |
17:28.26 | edsiper | yliu, into get our org accepted :) |
17:28.27 | yliu | lebek, focus on small orgs will be chances creating more value for open source community |
17:28.39 | instructor | exit |
17:28.44 | agliodbs | have the orgs been picked? |
17:28.51 | Catfish_Man | yliu: GSoC's focus is more on helping students than on helping organizations, although it ends up benefiting both |
17:28.56 | edsiper | agliodbs, not yet, in about 1.5h |
17:29.09 | gevaerts | Also, some of the large orgs are umbrellas, so they're really just a different way to structure things |
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17:29.34 | agliodbs | I didn't think so |
17:29.35 | yliu | Catfish_Man, ah, yea..you speak better than me... |
17:30.06 | yliu | edsiper, what is your org? |
17:30.12 | JordiGitHate | Catfish_Man: Free software is about greed. I want code. Students want money. Both benefit. >:) |
17:30.15 | edsiper | yliu, monkey |
17:30.24 | edsiper | (monkey http daemon) |
17:30.28 | gevaerts | claims that the entire purpose of gsoc is to consume real chocolate and virtual cookies |
17:31.04 | carols | agrees with gevaerts |
17:31.08 | schumaml | convert chocolate to code |
17:31.18 | edsiper | that's right |
17:31.21 | yliu | edsiper, what kind of monkey? |
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17:31.46 | edsiper | yliu, web server, URL in private |
17:32.00 | yliu | edsiper, okay... |
17:32.21 | gevaerts | carols: I heard a rumour saying that organisation selection is entirely done based on the amount of chocolate people promise to bring to the mentor summit. Is this true? :) |
17:32.35 | carols | gevaerts: i can neither confirm nor deny. |
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17:32.39 | yliu | edsiper, is this your org first time to participate sgoc? |
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17:33.24 | gevaerts | carols: ok, I'll make up my own mind then and assume it's true ;) |
17:33.29 | carols | ;-) |
17:33.41 | edsiper | yliu, third try |
17:33.51 | |Kev| | I'm still waiting for the year that the stars align and I end up going to the summit. |
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17:34.19 | Catfish_Man | gevaerts: almost right. It's actually chocolate and 12+ year scotch that decides it |
17:34.19 | yliu | edsiper, ah, good luck...this is our first time to try sgoc..hopes we can get accepted...our community is too small :( |
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17:35.06 | edsiper | yliu, thanks, good luck for you too..our community is small also.. |
17:36.41 | yliu | edsiper, wow...i looked at your homepage...learned that monkey has a history of 10 years..that is cool... |
17:37.46 | edsiper | yliu, yeah, long story :) |
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17:43.37 | DonJ | !next |
17:43.40 | gsocbot | DonJ: "next" is Mar 16 19:00 UTC - List of accepted mentoring organizations published on the Google Summer of Code 2012 site. |
17:44.07 | JordiGitHate | DonJ: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2012 |
17:44.11 | JordiGitHate | Refresh it like crazy. |
17:44.19 | JordiGitHate | Maybe it will update faster that way. |
17:44.29 | carols | smiles |
17:45.00 | JordiGitHate | goes watch a pot boil too. |
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17:45.53 | carols | :-D |
17:46.04 | downey | 4444 seconds and counting :) |
17:46.28 | mlankhorst | huzzah |
17:46.31 | mlankhorst | another year |
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17:47.31 | mlankhorst | heh, 500 internal error |
17:47.31 | srabbelier | eyAH |
17:47.33 | srabbelier | looking into it |
17:47.59 | yliu | got email and said our org is rejected... :( |
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17:48.07 | JordiGitHate | aw, got an email. |
17:48.10 | JordiGitHate | We're out. |
17:48.13 | edsiper | i am crying. |
17:48.14 | JordiGitHate | Not accepted. |
17:48.18 | JordiGitHate | ;_; |
17:48.23 | yliu | !_! |
17:48.31 | yliu | Jord, what is your org doing? |
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17:49.08 | JordiGitHate | yliu: Octave. |
17:50.06 | downey | 500 server errors from melange :) |
17:50.24 | flaushy_ | :( sorry to hear JordiGitHate |
17:50.35 | scorche|sh | downey: that means it is working! |
17:50.47 | yliu | Jord...Humm....isn't GNU registered as a org? |
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17:51.00 | Triskelios | yay, we made it! :) |
17:51.07 | JordiGH | Yeah, we might get one student in through GNU, if it gets accepted. |
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17:51.50 | downey | scorche|sh: hmm, interesting status for a working system :D |
17:53.03 | srabbelier | I'm looking into the 500 errors |
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17:53.18 | chx | hi here |
17:53.50 | yliu | umm this is first time our org applying for SGoC....I am disappointed as how much I wished to be accepted ..cry..cry... |
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17:54.43 | GenX | yliu, better luck next time :) |
17:54.46 | mlankhorst | !next |
17:54.48 | gsocbot | mlankhorst: "next" is Mar 16 19:00 UTC - List of accepted mentoring organizations published on the Google Summer of Code 2012 site. |
17:54.52 | mlankhorst | !forget next |
17:54.53 | carols | serves some tea and cookies for everyone |
17:54.54 | gsocbot | mlankhorst: The operation succeeded. |
17:54.57 | *** topic/#gsoc by srabbelier -> http://www.google-melange.com Google Summer of Code 2012 has started! We're investigating 500 errors for accepted organizations . You can check out the timeline: http://goo.gl/FQb2b and the FAQs: http://goo.gl/Lh4R8 for more information. |
17:55.01 | Triskelios | yliu: my advice is to get an org with a lot of experience to vouch for you |
17:55.06 | edsiper | Monkey HTTP Daemon is IN. :D |
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17:55.27 | downey | anyone have sugar? |
17:55.34 | downey | & milk |
17:55.35 | schumaml | GIMP is in |
17:55.36 | carols | takes a deep breath |
17:55.37 | mlankhorst | !learn next as Mar 26 11:00 UTC - Student Application period opens |
17:55.39 | gsocbot | mlankhorst: "next" is Mar 26 11:00 UTC - Student Application period opens |
17:55.47 | anth_x | well drat. didn't make the cut. |
17:55.50 | chx | so the org admins got mails but noone else yet? |
17:55.54 | JordiGH | anth_x: Which one? |
17:55.56 | mlankhorst | hm wait, that calendar is in pacific time |
17:55.59 | mlankhorst | !forget next |
17:56.00 | gsocbot | mlankhorst: The operation succeeded. |
17:56.03 | JordiGH | chx: Yeah, looks like. |
17:56.08 | mlankhorst | !learn next as Mar 26 19:00 UTC - Student Application period opens |
17:56.09 | anth_x | carols: will there be a "rejected orgs" meeting like last year? has that been scheduled yet? |
17:56.10 | gsocbot | mlankhorst: "next" is Mar 26 19:00 UTC - Student Application period opens |
17:56.22 | carols | anth_x: yes, i will send out an email about scheduling as soon as i have it. |
17:56.24 | anth_x | JordiGH: Plan 9. |
17:56.26 | carols | probably in a couple hours. |
17:56.30 | anth_x | carols: thanks. |
17:56.33 | schumaml | !utc |
17:56.33 | gsocbot | schumaml: "utc" is When developing open source, you'll work with people in time zones all over the world. Check http://goo.gl/wUKjq for current times, including UTC. |
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17:56.41 | carols | anth_x: yw. |
17:56.51 | schumaml | hah, great, someone thought about this |
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17:57.08 | mlankhorst | the one true time (TM) |
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17:59.06 | Nightrose | carols: thank you! :) *bounce* |
17:59.12 | carols | Nightrose: you're welcome! |
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17:59.28 | yliu | Triskelios, thanks for your advise...well...complicated, i am sure if our org will apply gsoc next year...what i am sure is, keeps coding just tomorrow to forget it |
17:59.37 | yliu | i am not sure* |
17:59.51 | JordiGH | I'll be sad if R, Scilab, and Numpy all get in but we don't. |
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18:00.03 | srabbelier | we are now fixing the broken orgs |
18:00.17 | srabbelier | and done |
18:00.23 | srabbelier | if you experience a 500 please try again |
18:00.26 | carols | thanks srabbelier |
18:00.29 | carols | you're awesome |
18:00.31 | raghav | hello sir |
18:00.38 | mlankhorst | Nightrose: yay |
18:00.39 | *** topic/#gsoc by srabbelier -> http://www.google-melange.com Google Summer of Code 2012 has started! Accepted organizations will be announced momentarily . You can check out the timeline: http://goo.gl/FQb2b and the FAQs: http://goo.gl/Lh4R8 for more information. |
18:00.55 | |Kev| | carols: Thank you. |
18:01.01 | carols | yw |Kev| |
18:01.04 | hybrid | _o_o_ oOo _o_o_ |
18:01.08 | JordiGH | And I thought we had such a good chance of getting in... |
18:01.08 | Nightrose | mlankhorst: :) |
18:01.09 | Nightrose | mlankhorst: how about you? |
18:01.25 | raghav | i am eagerly waiting for organisations to be announces |
18:01.31 | mlankhorst | same |
18:02.02 | Lennie | carols, I fixed the 500 for the 57 applications not sure how many of them were accepted though :) |
18:02.12 | carols | thanks Lennie |
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18:03.56 | hybrid | JordiGH, octave is not getting in? |
18:04.08 | JordiGH | hybrid: Nope, got rejected. |
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18:04.34 | Lennie | carols, 36 of them were accepted. It should be good for them now, we'll look into the why |
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18:06.49 | MatthewWilkes | Aww, no GSoC for me this year. I'll miss you guys at the summit, best of luck to everyone taking part! |
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18:06.56 | hybrid | JordiGH, sorry to hear that. Hoping for lots of audiovisual devs |
18:07.27 | iandees | i'm getting "This page is inaccessible because you do not have a profile in the program at this time." |
18:07.30 | srabbelier | MatthewWilkes, why nawt? :O |
18:07.37 | downey | hmm, no google+ field on org pages? :) |
18:07.40 | MatthewWilkes | srabbelier: Plone didn't get in. |
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18:07.46 | srabbelier | MatthewWilkes, *mind blown* |
18:08.09 | JordiGH | Huh, Plone is pretty big. |
18:08.12 | JordiGH | I don't feel so bad now. |
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18:08.28 | denials | iandees: I think you need to be logged into the Google account that you used to submit the GSoC org application |
18:08.44 | MatthewWilkes | srabbelier: We'll try again next year, and if a new org or two gets to try their hand at it because we're out that's no loss in the grand scheme of things |
18:08.53 | Lennie | iandees, you are a backup admin? |
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18:09.02 | iandees | i am, but i was marked as a backupadmin (i wasn't the original submitter) |
18:09.04 | iandees | yep Lennie |
18:09.07 | srabbelier | MatthewWilkes, true |
18:09.15 | Lennie | iandees, known issue please have your main admin create the org :) |
18:09.16 | gchaix | is having access problems as well, I'm a backup admin and neither of the google accounts I've used in prior years on melange are letting me in :-/ |
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18:09.26 | iandees | Lennie: rodger dodger! thanks |
18:09.33 | Lennie | iandees, it's because you don't have a profile :P |
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18:09.41 | iandees | well i did last year |
18:09.45 | iandees | how do i create a profile? |
18:09.55 | gchaix | iandees: I think I'm in the same situation as you |
18:10.22 | srabbelier | Lennie, can we instead tell them "create a profile? |
18:10.24 | Lennie | iandees, you'll get a link on how to do it once your other admin invites you back |
18:10.26 | srabbelier | Lennie, or would that not fix it? |
18:10.34 | Lennie | srabbelier, it might not sure if that page is available right now :) |
18:10.55 | marco__ | man, even wxwidgets is not in |
18:10.56 | marco__ | =( |
18:10.57 | Lennie | srabbelier, also please don't paste the link here because you know how students are :P |
18:10.57 | iandees | ok. i think the other admin is at dinner a few timezones over :) |
18:11.16 | Lennie | iandees, there is no rush just have him get it done within a day :D |
18:11.23 | iandees | sounds good |
18:12.03 | denials | huh, interesting - I'm a backup admin and got in, but to a completely blank org profile. will get in touch with primary admin |
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18:12.42 | Lennie | denials, there is supposed to be no profile :) |
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18:13.04 | carols | denials: you fill in the profile. it starts blank. |
18:13.06 | denials | Lennie: heh, okay, back to filling that out then :) |
18:13.25 | denials | carols: thanks, sorry for my confusion |
18:13.31 | carols | yw |
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18:13.42 | denials | (also sorry for bringing subpar Caramilk bars to the summit) |
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18:14.03 | Lennie | denials, try again this year :0 |
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18:14.38 | gchaix | is there any way for us to get to our personal profile? Melange is telling me I don't have one. |
18:14.42 | dberkholz | carols: thanks for the opportunity again for gentoo, but sorry to hear about xorg. looking forward to hearing about what happened there at the meeting. |
18:14.44 | iandees | carols: is it OK to publicize yet or should we wait for the official announcement from you guys? |
18:15.02 | carols | dberkholz: sure, happy to talk about it then. |
18:15.27 | carols | iandees: you're welcome to talk about it to whomever you'd like, but please wait 45 minutes until you make blog posts |
18:15.34 | iandees | k |
18:15.55 | iandees | dberkholz: did you get a minnebar ticket? |
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18:16.09 | dberkholz | iandees: yep |
18:16.14 | dberkholz | carols: ha, does that count twitter too? |
18:16.20 | dberkholz | iandees: you? |
18:16.30 | dberkholz | haven't tweeted yet but was going to |
18:16.46 | carols | we're just trying to give orgs some time to set up their profiles before the list goes live |
18:16.51 | iandees | yep, i noticed the eventbrite site was open by random chance and got one of the first tickets |
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18:17.02 | dberkholz | i got an email as a past attendee |
18:17.12 | LetterRip | ohh they were emailed early :) |
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18:17.35 | JordiGH | Sigh, there was so much mobilisation too. Several people started to offer themselves as mentors, students started sending in patches, people edited our application collectively... |
18:17.40 | JordiGH | mfw ;_; |
18:17.59 | Nightrose | JordiGH: use it and run your own program! |
18:18.02 | JordiGH | carols: Does weeping in the mailing list count as blog posts? |
18:18.09 | LetterRip | hehe |
18:18.12 | Nightrose | JordiGH: look at season of kde |
18:18.14 | MatthewWilkes | Nightrose, JordiGH: +1 |
18:18.33 | iandees | dberkholz: i may track you down and ask to pick your brain a bit about mentoring/adminning. feels like OSM is a big org project wise but not developer wise |
18:18.35 | Nightrose | if you have the right people there is nothing stopping you |
18:18.47 | MatthewWilkes | Never look a gift horse in the mouth, and there's little better than more enthusiasm in your community than you have planned for |
18:18.58 | Nightrose | hehe |
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18:19.06 | hybrid | JordiGH, how cool man. |
18:19.33 | hybrid | JordiGH, did u know that we have a 'rejected applicants' meeting? |
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18:19.51 | JordiGH | hybrid: Is it with all the goth kids? |
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18:20.18 | hybrid | anyway, how many students can a mentoring organization get? |
18:20.26 | MatthewWilkes | JordiGH: If you want to be a non-conformist like us you need to listen to the same music and wear the same clothes we do |
18:20.26 | hsy | links to twitter and fb pages, but no G+ pages ?! am i missing something? |
18:20.52 | iandees | patches welcome! :P |
18:20.53 | LetterRip | hsy - G+ - who uses that <ducks> |
18:20.54 | LetterRip | heheh |
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18:21.19 | hybrid | JordiGH, do you dubstep.fm? |
18:21.27 | JordiGH | No. |
18:21.36 | JordiGH | Are we gonna put on some The Cure songs? |
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18:22.57 | hybrid | JordiGH, we can. And we can think about ways to approach gsoc program |
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18:23.20 | hybrid | how many students a mentoring org gets? |
18:23.38 | anth_x | hybrid: varies by org. |
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18:24.00 | anth_x | it's mostly driven by how many applications the org gets, with other factors (or that's been past practice, anyway) |
18:24.21 | Lennie | so who managed to create their org yet? |
18:24.26 | Lennie | (and is on IRC :P) |
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18:24.41 | hsy | Lennie: i think i did |
18:24.51 | JordiGH | How many applications it gets? |
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18:24.54 | carols | Lennie: i did :-) |
18:25.01 | hsy | Lennie: but i was confused on what to enter at those numbers for the number of projects |
18:25.04 | Lennie | carols, you are special :p |
18:25.06 | JordiGH | hybrid: What's the rejected org thing like? |
18:25.09 | anth_x | JordiGH: how many students apply to work with that org. |
18:25.12 | carols | yes i am :-) |
18:25.22 | hybrid | anth_x, JordiGH, cool. But its a fixed number of students for each application, max number not always used |
18:25.23 | JordiGH | anth_x: I thought first you got the slots? |
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18:25.26 | Lennie | hsy, you change that number at the end of the application period to the amount of slots you'd like |
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18:25.45 | jsqwe | I just heard that my organization's application has been rejected :( |
18:25.45 | hsy | Lennie: ah! so that's not decided yet, sweet! |
18:25.58 | LunohoD | jsqwe: +1 :( |
18:25.59 | jsqwe | How do I get feedback on why ? |
18:26.37 | carols | jsqwe: we'll schedule a feedback meeting on irc for rejected orgs. please pay attention to the mailing lists for the details. |
18:26.47 | LetterRip | jsqwe: there will be a meeting on irc |
18:26.51 | JordiGH | Oh, nice, you tell us why not? |
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18:26.58 | LetterRip | er see carols reply :) |
18:27.05 | abma | carols: how many applications did you get and how many where accepted? |
18:27.06 | anth_x | JordiGH, hybrid: in years past, the slots are awarded after the student application period closes. you get a number and can arrange your applications to fit. last year the profile let you specify requested slots (so you don't overload mentors and whatnot). |
18:27.09 | jsqwe | which mailing list ? whats the name ? |
18:27.19 | carols | abma: please check out our blog post in a half hour for that info. |
18:27.30 | abma | ok, sorry & thanks |
18:27.34 | carols | yw |
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18:28.57 | hybrid | anth_x, very cool. I was thinking of using them for AA too, maybe after the awarded slots |
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18:29.25 | anth_x | "AA"? |
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18:29.41 | LetterRip | anti aircraft? anti aliasing? :) |
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18:29.53 | hybrid | anth_x, http://wiki.nosdigitais.teia.org.br/GSoC#AA_.28client.29 |
18:29.53 | JordiGH | Alcoholics anonymous. |
18:30.05 | hybrid | LetterRip, JordiGH almost that |
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18:30.26 | hybrid | LetterRip, JordiGH, anth_x: AA is *the* Ambiguous Acronym. |
18:30.27 | JordiGH | I was closest. |
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18:30.55 | carols | refreshes the tea |
18:30.59 | Lennie | !bug | hsy |
18:30.59 | gsocbot | hsy: "bug" is file melange feature requests & bugs at http://tinyurl.com/new-issue |
18:31.06 | carols | hangs out on the open source couch trying to get some work done |
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18:31.47 | atuljangra | Disppaointed by the results |
18:32.06 | anth_x | disapointed i'll be getting less tea this summer. :-) |
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18:32.46 | atuljangra | anth_x : which org ? |
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18:33.13 | anth_x | Plan 9 |
18:33.40 | GautamGupta | Looks like WordPress & LimeSurvey couldn't make it too. |
18:33.47 | JordiGH | WordPress? |
18:33.54 | JordiGH | We'll be in good company in the rejects club. |
18:33.57 | JordiGH | The Google's Rejects. |
18:34.13 | kernelhunter92 | JordiGH, good one! |
18:34.25 | kernelhunter92 | mine's k-9 |
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18:35.05 | sfb | woot. |
18:35.10 | hybrid | _o_o_ oOo _o_o_ |
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18:40.11 | dberkholz | hmm, i can't get into last year's org profile to grab some stuff from it |
18:40.14 | dberkholz | got a 500 from melange |
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18:40.34 | nessup | 19 minutes left! Excited. |
18:40.50 | nessup | Any advice for someone doing his first GSoC? |
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18:41.00 | carols | nessup: have you read the student manual? |
18:41.01 | dberkholz | iandees: absolutely, one of our big pushes over the past year and this year as well is trying to share what we've learned w/ other orgs |
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18:41.26 | nessup | carols, sounds like something I´ll look into now |
18:41.30 | sumanah | !manual |
18:41.31 | carols | great |
18:41.40 | sumanah | forgot for a second she wasn't in her home channel :) |
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18:42.01 | hybrid | nessup, 359 users on the channel is a record since i started dropping by |
18:42.02 | dberkholz | iandees: for starters, there's some admin content in the mentoring manual, and Nightrose, |Kev|, and i wrote a series of blog posts last summer you should check out. they're on the gsoc blog. |
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18:42.24 | Nightrose | waves to dberkholz |
18:42.32 | dberkholz | Nightrose: in for this year? |
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18:42.42 | Nightrose | yes! |
18:42.44 | Nightrose | \o/ |
18:42.46 | dberkholz | ^5 |
18:42.50 | nessup | ah, nice |
18:42.53 | Nightrose | ^5 |
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18:43.07 | Nightrose | filling out the org profile atm |
18:43.08 | carols | hybrid: wait until the reduplication meeting. it gets around 500 :-) |
18:43.13 | dberkholz | yep, just finished our profile |
18:43.13 | carols | deduplication |
18:43.19 | carols | wow, we wouldn't want reduplication |
18:43.22 | sumanah | the redupe meeting is even worse |
18:43.27 | sumanah | there are 2ce as many people |
18:43.28 | sumanah | ;-) |
18:43.31 | dberkholz | except for the stuff i can't seem to get at from last year, which isn't yet relevant anyhow. messages for accepted/rejected students |
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18:44.05 | hybrid | carols, wow |
18:44.24 | Lennie | dberkholz, I believe that might be new this year |
18:44.36 | dberkholz | nah, it was around before |
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18:44.39 | hybrid | sumanah, what is this meeting about? |
18:44.40 | Lennie | Nightrose, gratz |
18:44.45 | dberkholz | pretty sure it showed up like 2 days before the messages went out |
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18:45.11 | dberkholz | Lennie: but i am getting a 500 trying to "edit" the 2011 org profile so i can see that info |
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18:45.22 | sumanah | hybrid: the deduplication meeting is a meeting for the GSoC organizational administrators to figure out how to deal with application conflicts, where one student had proposals accepted at multiple orgs |
18:45.27 | Nightrose | Lennie: thx! :) looks like i won't be joining you in NY after all btw - about to move to berlin |
18:45.29 | Lennie | dberkholz, you sure it's a 500? |
18:45.31 | sumanah | (if I recall correctly) |
18:45.35 | Lennie | Nightrose, darn it! |
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18:45.38 | globaliist | srabbelier: I have same issue as iandees... I don't have a 2012 profile and can't find a way to create one. Our main admin can't invite as co/backup admin without a profile... seems cyclical loop. |
18:45.41 | Nightrose | Lennie: i know! :D |
18:45.42 | Lennie | Nightrose, no tour of the office for you :p |
18:45.42 | dberkholz | Lennie: yeah, with a very pretty melange logo staring at me |
18:45.48 | Nightrose | *sob* |
18:45.59 | Lennie | globaliist, one of you must have a profile :) |
18:46.03 | Nightrose | Lennie: but maybe i'll come visit in summer |
18:46.05 | globaliist | yes - our main admin does |
18:46.06 | dberkholz | Lennie: try http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/profile/organization/google/gsoc2011/gentoo |
18:46.12 | Lennie | globaliist, he should create the org |
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18:46.16 | MatthewWilkes | Nightrose: Yay Bärlin! |
18:46.24 | Nightrose | MatthewWilkes: :D |
18:46.28 | globaliist | Lennie: he has created the org |
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18:46.48 | globaliist | Lennie: I have a link Id - Ihave been a mentor and admin before. |
18:46.50 | dberkholz | globaliist: have your main admin click the link in the email, that leads to a profile creation screen |
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18:47.06 | Lennie | Nightrose, lemme know if you do :) |
18:47.12 | Lennie | dberkholz, shiny page :) |
18:47.17 | Nightrose | Lennie: will do |
18:47.25 | globaliist | dberkholz: the profile is created for the org. The issue is adding me as an admin to our organization. That can not be done because melange says I do not have a profile |
18:47.34 | MatthewWilkes | Nightrose: Any idea where abouts you'll be moving to yet? |
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18:47.51 | Lennie | globaliist, we'll help you out in a min |
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18:47.57 | Nightrose | MatthewWilkes: charlottenburg if everything works out |
18:48.04 | Lennie | dberkholz, shiny error with a useless Django stacktrace :( |
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18:48.38 | kblin | carols: thanks a bunch |
18:48.41 | Lennie | dberkholz, that will take us some time to figure out. Could you file an issue? |
18:48.44 | carols | kblin: you're welcome. |
18:48.47 | carols | what did i do? :-) |
18:48.57 | Lennie | !bug | dberkholz |
18:48.57 | gsocbot | dberkholz: "bug" is file melange feature requests & bugs at http://tinyurl.com/new-issue |
18:49.09 | Lennie | globaliist, which org and pm me your link id :) |
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18:49.53 | kblin | carols: gave me the opportunity to have another go at GSoC this year, looking forward to the ride |
18:50.17 | carols | kblin: ah, i see. you're welcome. it wasn't just me who decided :-) |
18:50.21 | carols | but you're welcome anyway |
18:50.29 | kblin | carols: speaking of ride, gsocbot has a queue system we can use for the rejected org meeting |
18:50.41 | carols | kblin: sweet. that's so awesome and helpful. |
18:50.43 | MatthewWilkes | Nightrose: I don't think I ever went to Charlottenburg. ;) |
18:50.53 | kblin | I'll make sure it's still working and tell a couple of people how to use it |
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18:51.04 | Nightrose | MatthewWilkes: you should change that then when i move there ;-) |
18:51.08 | MatthewWilkes | Nightrose: My life was pretty much: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEKibIYLtvY |
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18:51.21 | Nightrose | heh |
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18:51.40 | ankitgoel | hey everyone... |
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18:51.50 | jannau | MatthewWilkes: so you're a native Berliner? |
18:51.54 | srabbelier | dberkholz, hey |
18:52.02 | MatthewWilkes | jannau: Nope, I just used to live there |
18:52.10 | srabbelier | dberkholz, why you be killing our servers? :P |
18:52.19 | jannau | that are the only people I know who don't leave their Bezirk |
18:52.23 | iandees | dberkholz: thanks. i'll check out the book. i think i read it as part of the doc summit last year but will go over it again :) |
18:52.51 | kblin | hm... |
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18:54.13 | LunohoD | !blog |
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18:55.03 | kblin | it's been a while |
18:55.19 | Alok_ | just me or anyone else a bit nervous too? :P |
18:55.29 | kblin | !queue test |
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18:55.41 | kblin | sighs |
18:56.01 | sumeetsk | 4 minutes remaining |
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18:56.14 | marjan | Alok_: it's not just you |
18:56.22 | kblin | carols: ok, looks like the code bit-rotted a bit. assuming you win't have that meeting tonight, I'll make sure it's fixed |
18:56.29 | Alok_ | :) |
18:56.45 | carols | kblin: thank you :-) the meeting will probably be late next week some time. |
18:56.59 | sumeetsk | 3 |
18:56.59 | kblin | ok, I'm confident I'll manage that |
18:57.05 | carols | thanks again. |
18:57.26 | kblin | no worries, keeping track of the queue manually did get boring after a while last time :) |
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18:57.41 | carols | especially considering it was like a 5 hour meeting :-) |
18:57.43 | kblin | what good is being an engineer if you won't fix things |
18:57.54 | carols | how true. |
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18:59.37 | sumanah | hey, can someone remind me what daterange includes the date when mentoring orgs find out how many slots they get? |
18:59.40 | MatthewWilkes | jannau: I left mine, but never Charlottenburg. Never felt the call. |
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19:00.28 | blacktooth | gsocbot: !next |
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19:01.07 | JordiGH | Huh, the list is really small! |
19:01.16 | turbolent | 2011 − 175 |
19:01.33 | carols | sumanah: april 7 - 20 |
19:01.34 | turbolent | 2012 − 43?! |
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19:01.42 | Talad | Hi |
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19:01.43 | sumanah | got it, thank you carols |
19:01.45 | turbolent | 44 actually |
19:01.48 | Talad | I see 44 listed |
19:01.56 | Talad | but main page says 175 participaing |
19:02.01 | ankitgoel | is organization list out?? |
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19:02.07 | Nehil | ya its ays 175 |
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19:02.16 | Talad | are only 44 accepted this year? |
19:02.17 | carols | Talad: they need to fill out their profiles. |
19:02.19 | [shrike] | I see 45 now |
19:02.20 | SukhE | It only shows the orgs that have updated their profiles. |
19:02.23 | MatthewWilkes | The list will only show orgs that have filled in their profiles |
19:02.23 | carols | not all orgs have filled out their profiles. |
19:02.28 | [shrike] | it's growing :p |
19:02.28 | sercanakpolat | i believe they haven't made their profiles yet .... |
19:02.32 | MatthewWilkes | Give them some more time and they'll appear |
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19:02.37 | sfb | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2012 |
19:02.41 | turbolent | phew |
19:02.43 | MatthewWilkes | You might want to listen to the final countdown while you hammer refresh |
19:03.00 | schumaml | wow, that will certainly confuse lots of people |
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19:03.12 | Lennie | I wonder what happened to the other list we use to have there |
19:03.13 | umashankar_ | <PROTECTED> |
19:03.13 | Talad | so how do we know if we have been accepted? |
19:03.19 | Lennie | with accepted orgs withtout a profile |
19:03.23 | Lennie | Talad, you read the blogpost: P |
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19:03.30 | carols | Talad: admins received an email about an hour ago |
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19:04.00 | Talad | ok, so I guess we are not in |
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19:04.14 | carols | Talad: you would have received either a rejection or acceptance email. |
19:04.23 | Talad | ok, I got none atm |
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19:04.36 | Lennie | check your spam folder :P |
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19:05.25 | neXyon | hmm, the list is somewhat short, is that a bug or are some missing, or really that few? |
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19:06.05 | ChadWindnagle | Hellow everyone |
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19:06.18 | kblin | neXyon: as every year, orgs need to fill out a profile to show up on the list |
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19:06.28 | ChadWindnagle | I am working on submitting my orgs profile |
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19:06.43 | neXyon | kblin: ah, k :) |
19:06.53 | ChadWindnagle | does anyone know what we will be needing the address for? |
19:06.56 | heow | I only see 44 orgs listed, should it be 175? |
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19:06.59 | neXyon | is there somewhere a complete list? |
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19:07.06 | ChadWindnagle | Pending on what it will be used for I need to place a particlar address |
19:07.16 | turbolent | hoped for some more orgs this year |
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19:07.30 | gazooka | rejected, bummer- will we know how many applicants? |
19:07.37 | carols | gazooka: it will be in the blog post. |
19:07.44 | turbolent | last year had 50 new |
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19:07.49 | turbolent | this year none |
19:08.00 | dberkholz | srabbelier: does a gun kill people, or do people kill people? i'm just the gun. |
19:08.18 | carols | turbolent: what makes you say that? |
19:08.25 | pc_magas | folks in http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2012 I cannot see the orginizations that have applied |
19:08.35 | umashankar_ | when i saw first its 44 refresh 46 and increasing 49 |
19:08.37 | srabbelier | dberkholz, can you tell me more about your gun :P |
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19:08.43 | dberkholz | there used to be a separate table for orgs without profiles, but not anymore |
19:08.50 | ShellZero | 50 no2 |
19:08.52 | dberkholz | obviously this is the cause of immense confusion |
19:08.54 | ShellZero | now* |
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19:09.08 | srabbelier | dberkholz, yep |
19:09.10 | turbolent | carols: 2011: 175, 2012: 175 - no? |
19:09.11 | srabbelier | dberkholz, true that |
19:09.13 | nischayn22 | the list is getting updated again and again |
19:09.20 | dberkholz | oh goody, we're on the rotating logos on the homepage now |
19:09.21 | dberkholz | good timing |
19:09.24 | MatthewWilkes | !learn missingorgs as The list of participating organisations only shows those that have filled in their organisation profile, so it will slowly reach 175 as that's done. The list is very incomplete at the moment because not all accepted organisations have done that yet. If your org isn't on there you can check if it's been accepted by asking the person who submitted the application. |
19:09.25 | gsocbot | MatthewWilkes: "missingorgs" is The list of participating organisations only shows those that have filled in their organisation profile, so it will slowly reach 175 as that's done. The list is very incomplete at the moment because not all accepted organisations have done that yet. If your org isn't on there you can check if it's been accepted by asking the person who submitted the application. |
19:09.26 | srabbelier | dberkholz, lucky |
19:09.30 | carols | turbolent: the number of total participating orgs has no bearing on what percentage of those are new. |
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19:09.45 | downey | !slots |
19:09.45 | gsocbot | downey: "slots" is (#1) Slot allocation is done manually by Chris DiBona and Carol Smith, be a good org, play nice on the mentor list and #gsoc, ask for a non-crazy-high number of slots, and you'll probably get what you ask. Note that non-crazy-high for new orgs is around 1 or 2., or (#2) http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/NotesonStudentAllocations |
19:10.06 | srabbelier | !forget missingorgs |
19:10.06 | gsocbot | srabbelier: The operation succeeded. |
19:10.07 | turbolent | carols: sorry, meant s/new/more/ |
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19:10.23 | srabbelier | !learn missingorgs as The list of participating organisations only shows those that have filled in their organisation profile, so it will slowly reach 180 as that's done. The list is very incomplete at the moment because not all accepted organisations have done that yet. If your org isn't on there you can check if it's been accepted by asking the person who submitted the application. |
19:10.23 | gsocbot | srabbelier: "missingorgs" is The list of participating organisations only shows those that have filled in their organisation profile, so it will slowly reach 180 as that's done. The list is very incomplete at the moment because not all accepted organisations have done that yet. If your org isn't on there you can check if it's been accepted by asking the person who submitted the application. |
19:10.30 | umashankar_ | total how many org |
19:10.30 | srabbelier | MatthewWilkes, thanks for that |
19:10.33 | downey | carols: is there a date/time set for slot arbitration? |
19:10.37 | MatthewWilkes | srabbelier: Hm, pesky facts! |
19:10.46 | downey | s/slot/student/ |
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19:10.59 | denials | Q: the email address for "questions from new members" - is that where mentor applications go to? Trying to determine who we should subscribe to that alias... |
19:11.03 | downey | never mind, /me rtfm's |
19:11.06 | carols | downey: as per my email. not yet. |
19:11.08 | srabbelier | MatthewWilkes, copy/paste from last year |
19:11.18 | turbolent | now the main page says 180 |
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19:11.33 | gajop | hey guys where's the link of accepted organizations? |
19:11.47 | srabbelier | gajop, on the home page yo |
19:11.49 | gajop | there used to be a page that said "This page is inactive until 19:00 16.03" or something |
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19:11.53 | gajop | i can't find it any longer :( |
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19:12.06 | Strangerke | Hi |
19:12.06 | srabbelier | gajop, "see all 180 participating orgs" |
19:12.10 | srabbelier | gajop, try that one |
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19:12.17 | gajop | nvm :p |
19:12.20 | gajop | thanks |
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19:12.41 | Strangerke | I'm certainly not the first to ask that: is there already a full list available somewhere? |
19:12.53 | kblin | hey selenamarie |
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19:12.57 | ChadWindnagle | List of orgs: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2012 |
19:12.58 | jannau | Strangerke: will be in the blog post |
19:12.58 | selenamarie | kblin: hi! :) |
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19:13.21 | Strangerke | ChadWindnagle: It's not yet full, and it's slowly updating, that's why I asked :) |
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19:13.25 | umashankar_ | full list |
19:13.31 | Strangerke | jannau: thanks |
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19:13.55 | ChadWindnagle | I believe that list won't be full until all the org admins submit their profiles |
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19:14.26 | sfb | ChadWindnagle: That is correct. |
19:14.32 | gajop | ah, i see, it's being updated |
19:14.39 | gajop | is it done by any order? :p |
19:14.47 | Strangerke | There's an additional name each minute |
19:14.50 | blacktooth | Is Elgg in this time? |
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19:14.56 | ChadWindnagle | We weren't on the list until we submitted the profile. Soon as we did we popped on the list |
19:15.01 | schumaml | I wonder if that was a design choice, or was just discovered now ;) |
19:15.03 | carols | gajop: the order that the profiles are submitted in. |
19:15.04 | jannau | it's now 180 organizations |
19:15.08 | turbolent | so, how many orgs applied? |
19:15.17 | carols | turbolent: that will be in the blog post on our blog. |
19:15.24 | carols | patience :-) |
19:15.25 | turbolent | carols: thanks |
19:15.30 | gajop | but why on earth is it being done like that? :P |
19:15.51 | carols | gajop: you're welcome to discuss design decisions for melange with the team in #melange |
19:16.21 | ChadWindnagle | @Carols do you know what the address for the org profile will be used for? |
19:16.27 | carols | ChadWindnagle: address? |
19:16.30 | carols | what do you mean? |
19:16.35 | ChadWindnagle | mailing address |
19:16.41 | ChadWindnagle | is requested in the profile info fields |
19:16.45 | carols | ChadWindnagle: the one you put into the profile? |
19:16.48 | ChadWindnagle | And we're not sure what we should put |
19:16.57 | carols | the one you want students to use to contact you. |
19:17.00 | carols | whatever that is. |
19:17.01 | sfb | srabbelier: Melange is handling the big day magnificently. |
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19:17.36 | ChadWindnagle | Okay. So we won't be redistributing t-shirts / etc... through that mail address? That's what we're worried about. |
19:17.41 | srabbelier | sfb, good to hear that, thanks :) |
19:18.10 | carols | ChadWindnagle: no. |
19:18.11 | MatthewWilkes | ChadWindnagle: I think you're the first person to worry about being sent a load of tshirts |
19:18.25 | ChadWindnagle | ha! |
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19:18.30 | Strangerke | lol :) |
19:18.40 | ChadWindnagle | I'm more worried about just making sure I don't put in like, a PO box that no one checks ;) |
19:18.41 | jamesturnbull | Hi all - we, Puppet Labs, got an acceptance email saying we were in the progam, but we're not listed in the accepted organisations on the GSOC website? Do we need to do anything else? |
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19:18.55 | MatthewWilkes | jamesturnbull: Fill in your profile |
19:18.56 | asantoni | jamesturnbull: fill in your org profile |
19:18.59 | carols | jamesturnbull: fill in your org profile. |
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19:19.01 | ChadWindnagle | @jamesturbull in the email you receive you click the link, fill out the profile, and hit submit |
19:19.03 | jamesturnbull | ah ha |
19:19.03 | selenamarie | lol |
19:19.03 | MatthewWilkes | hehehe |
19:19.06 | jamesturnbull | :) |
19:19.18 | jamesturnbull | selenamarie: it's not funny - it's not like we're a tech company... oh wait :) |
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19:19.24 | asantoni | carols: do we have a press embargo until you guys post some blog announcement? |
19:19.26 | MatthewWilkes | asantoni, carols: Nice try, but I won by a few seconds thanks to saving 4 keystrokes! |
19:19.46 | carols | asantoni: we'd appreciate it if you didn't post anything until we do, but it's not that big a deal if you do. |
19:19.51 | carols | our blog post will be live in 40 minutes. |
19:19.55 | asantoni | ok no prob, we'll hold off :) |
19:19.59 | asantoni | cool, thanks! |
19:20.32 | asantoni | I need some sort of official announcement to link to :) |
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19:20.38 | carols | it'll be there soon |
19:20.44 | asantoni | no worries |
19:20.50 | carols | i think we all should take a deep breath and have some tea :-) |
19:20.53 | carols | serves some tea |
19:21.02 | jamesturnbull | carols: excellent idea |
19:21.04 | carols | has spent all week working too hard |
19:21.05 | Strangerke | And take anti-acid pills too... |
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19:21.11 | asantoni | sorry, didn't mean to add any more pressure! |
19:21.15 | asantoni | has some tea |
19:21.16 | Strangerke | because my stomach is suffering :P |
19:21.31 | ChadWindnagle | @carols you're handling the questioning barrage really well. Good for you! |
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19:21.43 | carols | ChadWindnagle: thanks. it's what they pay me to do :-) |
19:22.02 | sumanah | I should share this on the mentors' mailing list as well: |
19:22.03 | sumanah | https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_2012/management#GSoC_management_philosophy |
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19:24.00 | aleek | !next |
19:24.01 | Crofton | will there be a chance for orgs that were not accepted to get feedback? |
19:24.02 | gsocbot | aleek: "next" is Mar 26 19:00 UTC - Student Application period opens |
19:24.08 | aghisla | server overload! |
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19:24.27 | o0o0o | carols, this is 4/5 of 500 deduplication attenders |
19:24.30 | carols | Crofton: yes, please stay tuned to the mailing lists for the date and time. |
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19:24.44 | srabbelier | aghisla, wait what? |
19:24.45 | dberkholz | jamesturnbull: congrats! very excited to see what you guys do this year. if you'd like any advice on admining/mentoring, feel free to get in touch. i've been running gentoo's part of gsoc for a number of years now. |
19:24.48 | srabbelier | aghisla, are the servers sad? |
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19:24.52 | Crofton | thanks, I am on vacation next week, so I will try and keep up |
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19:25.24 | o0o0o | dberkholz, cool! |
19:25.27 | aghisla | no panic, it just took 3 seconds to reload the page on melange :) |
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19:26.39 | kblin | jamesturnbull: also, feel free to ask for advice in here |
19:27.06 | kblin | jamesturnbull: some of us have been doing gsoc for quite some time :) |
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19:27.11 | jamesturnbull | dberkholz: we did two years ago but didn't get our act into gear last year |
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19:27.19 | jamesturnbull | dberkholz: kblin and thanks! |
19:27.43 | dberkholz | kblin: you're just a young punk |
19:28.16 | sfb | hahah |
19:28.16 | agliodbs | ah, we got bumped this year |
19:28.27 | dberkholz | jamesturnbull: there's actually a mailing list for that kind of thing too, called gsoc-veterans. it'll probably get mentioned in the next few weeks |
19:28.28 | agliodbs | unsurprising, this was probably our weakest application |
19:28.28 | sfb | dberkholz: Hey, I heard we have a research arrangement with you guys. |
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19:28.52 | dberkholz | sfb: who is "we" and "you guys"? i do a number of things =) |
19:29.03 | kblin | ahrg |
19:29.04 | sfb | dberkholz: hahah sorry. Childrens and Mayo. |
19:29.19 | jamesturnbull | dberkholz: cool - it's mostly be Mike Stanhke of Fedora/EPEL fame running our end |
19:29.23 | kblin | looks like melange didn't like me either |
19:29.26 | dberkholz | sfb: ahh, cool. that's actually one thing i stopped doing. now working as an industry analyst at redmonk |
19:29.36 | kblin | oh well |
19:29.39 | sfb | dberkholz: Very cool. I like Redmonk. |
19:30.02 | ChadWindnagle | Well - congrats to all who were approved! I look forward to working with you all. Cheers! |
19:30.05 | kblin | just got a "sudo make dinner" from $SIGNIFICANT_OTHER, bbl |
19:30.06 | denials | agliodbs: dang. we rely heavily on postgresql |
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19:30.31 | agliodbs | denials: this doesn't exactly affect our development |
19:30.39 | copumpkin | is the list of accepted organizations complete? |
19:30.46 | sumanah | no |
19:30.47 | agliodbs | denials: our participation in GSOC is pretty much to train students in hacking databases |
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19:30.56 | copumpkin | so more orgs will be appearing there? it seems awfully short htis year |
19:30.58 | copumpkin | *this |
19:31.06 | MatthewWilkes | !missingorgs | copumpkin |
19:31.06 | gsocbot | copumpkin: "missingorgs" is The list of participating organisations only shows those that have filled in their organisation profile, so it will slowly reach 180 as that's done. The list is very incomplete at the moment because not all accepted organisations have done that yet. If your org isn't on there you can check if it's been accepted by asking the person who submitted the application. |
19:31.12 | andralex | Hi everyone, I noticed that I need to fill again a lot of the fields I filled during the application. Is that the case, or am I doing something wrong? Thanks! |
19:31.21 | sumanah | andralex: I also needed to do that. |
19:31.28 | sumanah | andralex: looks like it isn't prefilled from the org application. |
19:31.35 | dfighter | spam |
19:31.37 | copumpkin | MatthewWilkes: ah, thanks |
19:31.39 | denials | agliodbs: we have a project or two that would benefit from a student capable of hacking a database (at least at optimization & porting plperl to c functions and the like) |
19:31.43 | volodymyr | !missingorgs |
19:31.43 | gsocbot | volodymyr: "missingorgs" is The list of participating organisations only shows those that have filled in their organisation profile, so it will slowly reach 180 as that's done. The list is very incomplete at the moment because not all accepted organisations have done that yet. If your org isn't on there you can check if it's been accepted by asking the person who submitted the application. |
19:31.46 | andralex | sumanah: thanks! |
19:31.51 | agliodbs | oh! |
19:31.58 | agliodbs | never mind, my email is just lagged |
19:32.00 | agliodbs | we got accepted |
19:32.04 | dberkholz | lol |
19:32.06 | kblin | hehe |
19:32.07 | sumanah | congrats agliodbs |
19:32.09 | denials | agliodbs++ |
19:32.09 | agliodbs | darn, I thought I was off the hook for the year |
19:32.11 | dberkholz | there are emails for both acceptance and rejection |
19:32.16 | dberkholz | it's not a "silent means no" thing |
19:32.17 | selenamarie | YAY |
19:32.19 | copumpkin | MatthewWilkes: is there a quick way to check on a particular organization without contacting the submitter? |
19:32.19 | agliodbs | oh, well, back to the email-mines |
19:32.24 | selenamarie | for acception :) |
19:32.29 | selenamarie | agliodbs: thanks for checking |
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19:32.42 | dberkholz | selenamarie: stop inventing words. you're killing me here, it's like reading about "learnings" |
19:32.45 | dberkholz | =P |
19:32.51 | jannau | copumpkin: there will be a blog post in 30 minutes |
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19:33.00 | copumpkin | that will contain the full list? |
19:33.06 | selenamarie | dberkholz: lolling |
19:33.10 | n4nd0 | jannau: where will that blog be? |
19:33.20 | carols | n4nd0: google-opensource.blogspot.com |
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19:33.33 | n4nd0 | carols: thanks |
19:33.35 | rodweb | how to make a mention here? :) |
19:33.36 | carols | yw |
19:33.48 | kblin | dberkholz: right, what was it with the milli-learnings I get exposed to? |
19:33.56 | sumanah | hi selenamarie |
19:34.53 | rodweb | how can I mention smbd here? |
19:34.58 | dberkholz | selenamarie: oh btw, i did actually get bradford to make me that drink you suggested |
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19:35.17 | kblin | rodweb: smbd? isn't #samba more on topic for that? |
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19:35.37 | kblin | rodweb: oh, you mean somebody... |
19:35.49 | selenamarie | dberkholz: what did you think? :) |
19:35.51 | selenamarie | sumanah: hi!! |
19:36.00 | kblin | usually you just type their name followed by colons and the message |
19:36.06 | selenamarie | sumanah: i'm going over to WMF this afternoon, i believe. |
19:36.15 | *** topic/#gsoc by srabbelier -> http://www.google-melange.com Google Summer of Code 2012 has started! Accepted organizations have been announced. You can check out the timeline: http://goo.gl/FQb2b and the FAQs: http://goo.gl/Lh4R8 for more information. |
19:36.50 | kblin | srabbelier: any idea what's up with melange wrt the error 500 pages? |
19:36.54 | dberkholz | selenamarie: 'twas pretty good. avoided too much alcohol taste without being a tropical slushie |
19:37.00 | kblin | srabbelier: just all the students hitting F5? |
19:37.04 | sumanah | selenamarie: wish I were going to be there! I will be at home in NYC. Just posted https://blog.wikimedia.org/2012/03/16/project-ideas-students-and-mentors-wanted-gsoc-2012/ |
19:37.27 | selenamarie | dberkholz: that is the secret of most good drinking |
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19:37.35 | aried3r | flies over the last few lines |
19:37.36 | frewsxcv | how many organizations are accepted for 2012? |
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19:37.43 | aried3r | Press F5 500 times? CONSIDER IT DONE |
19:37.47 | carols | frewsxcv: 180 |
19:37.59 | sumanah | so you did "a complete 180" (sorry I had to say it) |
19:38.03 | frewsxcv | ah |
19:38.07 | srabbelier | kblin, has bene fixed yo |
19:38.09 | frewsxcv | keeps pressing F5 |
19:38.12 | srabbelier | kblin, was a weird data bug |
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19:38.20 | Crofton | how many applied? |
19:38.36 | carols | Crofton: it'll be in the blog post. |
19:38.42 | carols | patience |
19:38.46 | carols | serves some more tea |
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19:39.48 | Crofton | sorry, I'll be on an airplane when the post goes up :) |
19:40.03 | Crofton | thanks for everything, and bye for now |
19:40.04 | pallav | join #mediawiki |
19:40.10 | carols | Crofton: it'll still be there when you get back :-) |
19:40.13 | sumanah | pallav: you mean /join |
19:40.14 | sumanah | :) |
19:40.21 | pallav | Oops! |
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19:41.32 | LetterRip | hi all - what is the location of the page to invite mentors? I can't seem to find it right now |
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19:42.15 | meflin | my dashboard-> my orgs, choose org , links on that page |
19:42.27 | LetterRip | ty |
19:42.37 | meflin | took me quite a while to find it :D |
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19:44.42 | carols | serves some cookies |
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19:44.48 | carols | eats some cookies |
19:44.51 | carols | i can use them. |
19:44.53 | schumaml | learns that there is an age restriction for mentor organization by reading the ToS |
19:45.00 | carols | it's been a long week. |
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19:45.19 | harlan | I hope your week improves, carols |
19:45.25 | meflin | tosses carols some chocolate |
19:45.27 | carols | thanks harlan. |
19:45.32 | carols | thanks meflin |
19:45.36 | carols | eats some chocolate. |
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19:47.05 | downey | runs to the kitchen to bake more fresh cookies |
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19:47.29 | selenamarie | waves to carols |
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19:47.44 | carols | hi selenamarie. i was just thinking of you the other day |
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19:48.07 | selenamarie | :) |
19:48.13 | carols | :-) |
19:48.24 | selenamarie | i think some folks are going for a drink near WMF after work today |
19:48.34 | dberkholz | anyone gonna be out at eclipsecon in a couple weeks? |
19:49.14 | dberkholz | i'm giving my favorite talk there |
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19:49.54 | dberkholz | http://www.eclipsecon.org/2012/sessions/assholes-are-killing-your-project |
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19:50.12 | rodweb | @fist |
19:50.16 | rodweb | oh |
19:50.33 | rodweb | how to mention somebody here T_T |
19:50.50 | dfighter | dberkholz /me hides |
19:50.55 | dberkholz | 19:36 < kblin@> usually you just type their name followed by colons and the message |
19:51.03 | dfighter | altough I consider myself more a d1ck than an a-hole |
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19:51.28 | dfighter | refers to team america movie |
19:51.34 | rodweb | dberkholz just type? |
19:51.39 | carols | hey, could we maybe keep the language to a minimum? |
19:52.04 | carols | this is a family-friendly channel :-) |
19:52.10 | Kid4v | YAY! |
19:52.25 | ThomasWaldmann | yay |
19:52.30 | dberkholz | sorry, i'll use bitly for the link next time to obfuscate the url =p |
19:52.33 | dfighter | sure carols, soz, I was just reacting to some visual stimulus, induced by dberkholz link |
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19:52.43 | ThomasWaldmann | greetings to everybody |
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19:53.14 | Kid4v | Greetings! |
19:53.28 | carols | hi Kid4v |
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19:53.32 | rodweb | learned how to do mentions |
19:53.34 | rodweb | :D |
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19:53.53 | pokoko222 | I see students applications begin 26 march, until then you need to talk to orgs |
19:54.05 | pokoko222 | but cant you also talk to orgs from 26 march to 6 april |
19:54.10 | carols | pokoko222: yes. |
19:54.14 | o0o0o | Kid4v, yey man |
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19:54.33 | Kid4v | yay? |
19:54.36 | pokoko222 | carols so basically we can talk to orgs to 6 april, beginning now |
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19:54.40 | Kid4v | or I can say other things |
19:54.47 | carols | pokoko222: yes. please go talk to them :-) they'd love to hear from you. |
19:54.51 | carols | now's the time |
19:54.54 | carols | don't wait any longer |
19:54.58 | downey | we are waiting for you :) |
19:55.07 | pokoko222 | I am waiting for the list to complete :) |
19:55.09 | arg3tlam | Hey Carols, just a doubt. |
19:55.12 | Kid4v | So your giving us premisson to go troll IRCs? |
19:55.13 | pokoko222 | it is still loading new orgs |
19:55.16 | carols | arg3tlam: yes? |
19:55.23 | arg3tlam | Project ideas which the orgs themselves list, most of them have mentioned the mentors as well |
19:55.29 | downey | Kid4v: too much trolling usually gives you negative marks :) |
19:55.31 | Kid4v | hehe |
19:55.38 | meflin | is hanging out on irc haven got the day of waiting for students to flood me :) |
19:55.38 | downey | Kid4v: unless it's very unique or skillful |
19:55.46 | arg3tlam | But suppose we come up with our own project idea |
19:56.01 | arg3tlam | Do we have to request and find someone to mentor us |
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19:56.05 | pokoko222 | in general, all students that are accepted had previous experience on the projects? or on average most of the students are first-timers? |
19:56.14 | Kid4v | downey: It's an art. |
19:56.16 | o0o0o | Sage is in!!! yey! |
19:56.18 | arg3tlam | or will that be taken care of implicitly when we send in our application ? |
19:56.25 | carols | arg3tlam: you need an organization to mentor you. so i would recommend you reverse your approach and find an org you'd like to work with and see what projects they'd like you to work on. |
19:56.28 | downey | pokoko222: most of our students are new |
19:56.43 | pokoko222 | downey nice, your org is ? |
19:56.56 | aviler | that´s the point right? to bring new developers to the projects |
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19:57.05 | pokoko222 | awesome |
19:57.17 | arg3tlam | yes Carols, I got that bit, but for a project idea that we suggest for woreking under a particular org |
19:57.25 | downey | pokoko222: openmrs … i imagine most orgs have mostly new-comers as well |
19:57.28 | arg3tlam | Is it our responsibility to find a willing mentor ? |
19:57.29 | carols | arg3tlam: have you read the student manual? |
19:57.40 | pokoko222 | well yes but I was thinking since it is hard to get into some code, especially not documented one... so you would expect only people that have been around on the project for a while to take the places |
19:57.57 | carols | arg3tlam: http://www.booki.cc/gsocstudentguide/choosing-an-organization/ |
19:57.59 | arg3tlam | I did. I'm sorry if I missed something obvious there. I'll give it another read ASAP |
19:58.10 | LetterRip | arg3tlam: orgs nominate their own mentors; then pick the student applications; then assign a mentor to the student application |
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19:59.02 | wwahammy | hey all, I intend on being a mentor for the Outercurve Foundation (http://www.outercurve.org/Overview/SummerofCode) for the CoApp project. Am I supposed to register as a mentor now? |
19:59.11 | carols | wwahammy: yes |
19:59.13 | sfb | wwahammy: You may. |
19:59.20 | o0o0o | carols, i took a look at the selected institutions. Found no Ardour, audacity, Jack, Kdenives, etc |
19:59.22 | ShellZero | AlexP: did wikipathways or pathvisio got selected? |
19:59.27 | LetterRip | arg3tlam: it wouldn't hurt to try and locate a mentor from an org who wants to mentor you so that they are an advocate for you |
19:59.28 | carols | o0o0o: ok... |
19:59.46 | LetterRip | o0o0o: not all orgs have filled out their applications |
19:59.50 | o0o0o | carols, is audiovisual tools maybe underrepresented in GSoC applications? |
19:59.51 | carols | i'm quite familiar with the list, since i've spent the last 5 days doing basically that.. |
19:59.58 | LetterRip | we have only known for about an hour and a half at most |
20:00.02 | LetterRip | o0o0o: wait a few days |
20:00.03 | meflin | as I recall mentor sine up isn't on the time line |
20:00.07 | LetterRip | er not applications but org descriptions |
20:00.11 | pokoko222 | downey what do you look for in a student? previous experience on your projects, and if he does not have that would personal projects be ok? |
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20:00.24 | llanford | arg3tlam, do you know what you're looking for in a project? |
20:00.28 | LetterRip | o0o0o: have a look at 2012 gsoc |
20:00.39 | LetterRip | er 2011 gsoc and that should give you a better idea |
20:00.44 | arg3tlam | Yes, I have the crux of the idea |
20:00.51 | o0o0o | LetterRip, thanks |
20:00.53 | arg3tlam | and also the org I desire to work under |
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20:01.14 | wwahammy | it says I have to agree to the "Google Summer of Code 2012 Mentor Organization Participant Agreement" which discusses the mentor organization... I can't agree to something for the organization so I'm confused about that. |
20:01.26 | arg3tlam | but only the project ideas suggested by the org have the assigned mentor names under it |
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20:01.35 | downey | pokoko222: i feel like most orgs try to use gsoc as a way to get more people involved with the project, so they try to structure things so it's easier for people without much experience working with the code. most orgs will list what they look for in new students on their profile page, or their gsoc ideas page. |
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20:01.39 | arg3tlam | So I was a little hazy on that |
20:01.41 | llanford | wwahammy, I believe that is only if you're acting as the organization mentor. |
20:02.05 | pokoko222 | downey do you require the student to code something before application deadline? |
20:02.12 | jannau | http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2012/03/mentoring-organizations-for-google.html |
20:02.22 | wwahammy | llanford: so in that case, I shouldn't register as a mentor from the outercurve GSoC page? |
20:02.38 | pokoko222 | downey I mean let's say the project is big and it takes some time to get into it, do you allow for that time? or you expect the student to code something for you before deadline? |
20:02.42 | downey | pokoko222: no, but it's suggested that they try to do a small patch for a simple bug first. we keep a list of those for students to try. |
20:02.58 | llanford | wwahammy, I registered as an independent mentor, then was accepted by my organization after sign up |
20:03.03 | LetterRip | wwahammy: the organization does the agreement, you can agree on your own behalf |
20:03.29 | downey | pokoko222: there are some exceptions, but most of our students have at least attempted to do something simple like that before the application period closes |
20:03.31 | LetterRip | if you read a bit more closely it is actually two different agreements depending on whether you can represent the organization or not |
20:03.34 | wwahammy | alright, thanks for the help everyone. I'm excited to be involved :) |
20:03.48 | llanford | It IS exciting! |
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20:03.59 | sumeetsk | carols: do you know if R has been selected? It doesn't figure in the list so far |
20:04.09 | carols | sumeetsk: you should ask them. |
20:04.15 | carols | it's not really my place to announce for them. |
20:04.25 | pokoko222 | downey I see, thank you for the information... we may contact soon on your org irc :) I will have to think about which orgs to try... waiting for the complete list to come out |
20:04.34 | sumeetsk | carols: ok, thanks. |
20:04.37 | carols | yw |
20:04.38 | LetterRip | pokoko222: most students that get accepted will have done a small patch against their orgs software before the acceptance deadline - to demonstrate they have the basic skills required to participate |
20:05.32 | SukhE | It's important to point out that this does not hold true always, though this seems to be the norm with many orgs. |
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20:05.49 | LetterRip | SukhE: hence the word most :) |
20:05.51 | SukhE | (and yes, it's a good idea to do this IMO) |
20:05.54 | meflin | depends alot on the org |
20:05.58 | schumaml | we require patches to make sure that the students have a build environment up and running |
20:05.59 | agliodbs | selenamarie: this is a loooooooooong form |
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20:06.28 | pokoko222 | LetterRipit takes some time to learn the code, how many orgs do you advise I choose? I can't learn the code for more than 2 or 3 projects in this ammount of time |
20:06.37 | pokoko222 | even that is too much, maybe I should just pick one |
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20:06.50 | SukhE | LetterRip: Yeah :) |
20:07.00 | kai_andy | carols: looks like queueing is working now |
20:07.05 | carols | kai_andy: awesome. |
20:07.09 | carols | thanks for figuring that out. |
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20:07.20 | denials | seconds the "small patch" acceptance criteria |
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20:07.59 | carols | needs to go eat some lunch since she hasn't eaten today |
20:08.06 | carols | ill be back online later if anyone needs me |
20:08.08 | LetterRip | pokoko222: the most orgs I've known a student to apply for is 3. Probably 2 is a good number, depends on how much time you have, etc. Personally I'd do one really good proposal and do enough patches etc. to make clear to the org that i was a serious contender. |
20:08.08 | kai_andy | carols: apparently i just had to load the plugin :-) |
20:08.15 | carols | hope you're all having a good friday. |
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20:08.25 | SEDrew | why couldn't this have started next week? :p this is a week of hell at school and its going to be hard to "contribute" to any community for a little while <Goes back to studying for calculus midterm tomorrow morning(yes, saturday morning)> |
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20:08.38 | LetterRip | SEDrew: you don't have to do it this week |
20:08.48 | meflin | last year wasn't to early ;D |
20:08.48 | LetterRip | there is plenty of time |
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20:08.55 | pokoko222 | LetterRipI think same too, just put everything on one org |
20:09.09 | ShellZero | is the blog up? |
20:09.14 | LetterRip | pokoko222: probably two orgs is fine - but really focus on the one |
20:09.23 | LetterRip | to make sure you are competitive |
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20:09.34 | pokoko222 | LetterRip: ok tnx for the conversation ;) |
20:09.40 | meflin | I have seen 1 student do 2 sucessfull apps ( just once ) |
20:09.48 | schumaml | and tll both orgs who is your favorite |
20:09.58 | schumaml | *tell |
20:10.01 | LetterRip | we have had three or four students who have been accepted at multiple orgs |
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20:10.28 | LetterRip | and we have students who have done multiple proposals to our org - where multiple of their applications were top reviewed |
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20:10.47 | meflin | that is a lucky problem to have :) |
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20:11.04 | ThomasWaldmann | LetterRip: new people or already known people? |
20:11.05 | LetterRip | ie one students proposals was ranked 1st and 4th |
20:11.17 | LetterRip | ThomasWaldmann: new people and known people |
20:11.59 | ThomasWaldmann | great |
20:12.20 | ThomasWaldmann | did it work out as expected? |
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20:13.27 | Ophiuchi | good localtime() |
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20:13.31 | Strangerke | Ha nice, ScummVM is one of the accepted organizations |
20:13.38 | Strangerke | Thanks Google! :D |
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20:13.41 | pokoko222 | is it fine to write patches until 6 of april? or you can only code until 26 march? |
20:13.55 | pokoko222 | I mean is 6 april like the ultimate deadline that you can talk to orgs and send them code and stuff? |
20:13.57 | iandees | ok i can't find it in my scrollback... what was the solution for backup admin not having a profile and not being able to create one? |
20:13.59 | LetterRip | you can code patches till the very end |
20:14.08 | LetterRip | even beyond the deadline probably |
20:14.14 | Ophiuchi | I assume the Melange bug about the second (and possibly later) mentor request is already known? |
20:14.24 | SukhE | pokoko222: Some orgs even have the mentors help you with the patch. |
20:14.37 | pokoko222 | SukhE: that would be lucky situation |
20:15.54 | kai_andy | strangerke: congrats :-) |
20:16.04 | SukhE | pokoko222: If I had a student who could work on the patch with a little help but get the job done, sure why not. |
20:16.12 | meflin | iandees: I haven't seen that discuses today , my backup is "valid" but doesn't have 2012 .. I sent an email to create |
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20:16.46 | iandees | i'm the backup and the admin can't invite me because i don't have a profile |
20:16.57 | iandees | but i don't know how to create one |
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20:17.14 | asdrew | hello all accepted org is on the google site ? or need more to update. |
20:17.15 | Ophiuchi | iandees: have you tried registering as mentor for your org? |
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20:17.32 | agliodbs | what does an "IRC URL" look like? |
20:17.48 | denials | Ophiuchi: yeah, just ran into the same bug I think - all requests get the same link_id when you click on them, even though they're from different people? |
20:17.48 | iandees | irc://irc.example.com/channel |
20:17.53 | agliodbs | thanks |
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20:17.56 | asdrew | Can someone tell if all organizations are on the site ? |
20:17.57 | agliodbs | hey, Ian! |
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20:18.03 | awaterma | How can an organization find out what they need to improve upon to be accepted next year? |
20:18.05 | meflin | irc://irc.freenode.net/#Channelname |
20:18.06 | sfb | asdrew: No. |
20:18.08 | agliodbs | asdrew: they are not |
20:18.12 | llanford | iandees, you have an organization mentor already, but can't join as an individual mentor? |
20:18.19 | sfb | awaterma: Carol will have a meeting to talk to rejected orgs. |
20:18.19 | Ophiuchi | denials. fix the link id in the URL and it works |
20:18.23 | pokoko222 | asdrew not all yet |
20:18.49 | agliodbs | where do I file Melange bugs again? Ive forgotten |
20:18.51 | asdrew | ok thank you |
20:18.53 | denials | Ophiuchi: yep, that's what I did :) |
20:18.59 | iandees | llanford: i don't know about mentors... i'm trying to be a backup admin |
20:19.12 | ojwb | agliodbs: checked the topic of #melange? |
20:19.16 | llanford | iandees, not sure how to help you there then. Sorry -- good luck! |
20:19.51 | sfb | agliodbs: http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/list I think |
20:19.52 | awaterma | So we should get an invitation to the "rejected" party via email, most likely? |
20:19.52 | agliodbs | ojwb: that doesn't tell me where to file bugs |
20:20.04 | meflin | iandees: mentors can be promoted to admin |
20:20.12 | meflin | or they could be last year |
20:20.49 | LetterRip | !bugs | agliodbs |
20:20.49 | gsocbot | agliodbs: "bugs" is http://tinyurl.com/new-issue |
20:20.57 | ojwb | agliodbs: oh, I thought it used to |
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20:21.10 | selenamarie | waves to ojwb |
20:21.14 | ojwb | hi selenamarie |
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20:22.44 | kai_andy | awaterma: also keep an eye on the announce list |
20:22.52 | agliodbs | filing bug |
20:23.12 | iandees | thanks guys... looks like i did need to join as mentor before he could invite me to co-admin |
20:23.16 | praveen97uma_ | @agliodbs: http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/entry |
20:23.26 | llanford | iandees, glad you got it worked out! |
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20:23.53 | agliodbs | yes, thanks. issue has been filed |
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20:24.32 | meflin | iandees: good to know since I am going to need to answer that quetsion soon :D |
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20:25.54 | iandees | do we get to see # of slots anywhere? |
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20:26.07 | agliodbs | iandees: no |
20:26.16 | Jooles | Evening all |
20:26.18 | iandees | perhaps i'm not remembering the order of events from last year :) |
20:26.21 | agliodbs | iandees: slots are not allocated until the applicaiton period begins |
20:26.30 | agliodbs | and then they aren't real until the end of applications |
20:26.35 | iandees | k |
20:26.41 | agliodbs | iandees: what project are you doing? |
20:26.44 | meflin | you get so see what you are begging and whining for .. not how many you have |
20:27.41 | jeh | hi all |
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20:28.10 | iandees | agliodbs: OpenStreetMap |
20:28.20 | jeh | is this the final list of accepted orgs or more will be added??? |
20:28.48 | meflin | the count is final the list depends on when the org fills out there profile |
20:28.51 | agliodbs | iandees: oh, cool! |
20:29.16 | agliodbs | iandees: btw, if you end up having someone who needs to hack PostGIS to do what you want, feel free to assign them to us |
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20:29.34 | jeh | meflin: u mean the list may still change???? |
20:29.47 | ojwb | jeh: yes, it WILL increase |
20:29.56 | iandees | agliodbs: are you in postgres? |
20:30.05 | meflin | all accepted orgs have been accepted , when they show up depends on them |
20:30.21 | ojwb | there's a rather dumb system where the org fills in all this info on the application, and then if accepted has to refill the same info into another form to show up on that list |
20:30.24 | jeh | ok..got u |
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20:30.39 | ojwb | i guess it's to reward orgs with active admins who are in the right timezone |
20:30.42 | tomprince | !missingorgs |
20:30.42 | gsocbot | tomprince: "missingorgs" is The list of participating organisations only shows those that have filled in their organisation profile, so it will slowly reach 180 as that's done. The list is very incomplete at the moment because not all accepted organisations have done that yet. If your org isn't on there you can check if it's been accepted by asking the person who submitted the application. |
20:30.46 | agliodbs | <<-- Josh Berkus |
20:30.52 | meflin | ojwb: and an import last years to edit would be so so so nice :D |
20:30.57 | SamSchumer | IS there a way to see a list of all the accepted .orgs now? |
20:31.06 | ojwb | well, it's practically all on the application form |
20:31.12 | agliodbs | SamSchumer: not yet! |
20:31.16 | ojwb | SamSchumer: I don't know of one |
20:31.28 | ojwb | if you have particular ones in mind, ask them |
20:31.28 | pokoko222 | SamSchumer patience mortal :) |
20:31.34 | ojwb | and tell them to fill in the org profile |
20:31.40 | agliodbs | gods, why are so many people jumping the gun this year? |
20:31.40 | ojwb | link is in the acceptance email |
20:31.52 | ojwb | doesn't seem to be accessible via melange |
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20:32.07 | ojwb | i mean it's in melange, but not obviously linked to |
20:32.08 | llanford | I'm thrilled to see people being so excited to get started! |
20:32.13 | meflin | agliodbs: I wasn't on chan last year but it seems natural to me |
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20:32.27 | agliodbs | iandees: I |
20:32.37 | agliodbs | iandees: I'm Josh Berkus |
20:32.40 | SamSchumer | ojwb: Not any i paticular. just wondering espically beacuse I was confused as to why the list on the sight as of now seemed far below 180 .orgs |
20:32.57 | Ophiuchi | FWIW, the requests list issue is bug 1465 |
20:33.45 | iandees | agliodbs: ah ok! very cool. i certainly could use some pgsql help with some code i'm writing. I should have applied as a student for your org :) |
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20:34.15 | yxue | is melange the only python | google app engine project this year? |
20:34.25 | agliodbs | heh, you can't be a student *and* a mentor |
20:34.33 | agliodbs | iandees: you know about #postgresql, yes? |
20:34.39 | agliodbs | folks are very helpful there |
20:34.49 | iandees | yep, i just need to get my thoughts together to ask a proper/useful question |
20:35.07 | Ophiuchi | agliodbs: at least it would be a pretty bad idea, time machines excepted :-P |
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20:35.17 | agliodbs | iandees: just tell folks you're from OSM. they'll cut you some slack ;-) |
20:35.20 | meflin | cant irc survive a proper/usefull question? |
20:35.21 | iandees | you also have to be a student ... to be a student |
20:35.26 | meflin | s/cant/can/ |
20:36.40 | Ophiuchi | meflin: heh. can the asker survive an answer to a unclear or meta question? :) |
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20:37.29 | iandees | agliodbs: my question involves this chunk of code. i don't want to ask people using this as an example: https://github.com/iandees/xapi-servlet/blob/master/src/main/java/com/yellowbkpk/geo/xapi/db/PostgreSqlDatasetContext.java#L593 |
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20:43.26 | llanford | SukhE, was it you who mentioned orgs that are willing to mentor through a prerequisite patch (for the application)? |
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20:49.16 | rodweb | Silence |
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20:52.03 | aghisla | here you are :) |
20:54.22 | ojwb | news travels fast - the list was only announced a couple of hours ago, and someone just knocked on the door and asked if i'd heard the good news |
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20:59.20 | meflin | knocked? |
20:59.40 | denials | wonders if that's a euphemism for something in IRC |
20:59.51 | meflin | at the present time I dont think anyone even knows in my TZ that _I_ am in |
20:59.59 | denials | can't imagine flesh against solid particles |
21:00.32 | meflin | backup-admin is traveling outside TZ :D |
21:00.36 | iandees | agliodbs sorry i closed the wrong irssi window and looks like it didn't keep any scrollback. i'll definitely talk to #postgres |
21:01.36 | Ophiuchi | meflin: what's your project, if I may ask? |
21:01.43 | meflin | kernel.org |
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21:03.37 | platzhirsch | so great to see the accepted organisations |
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21:05.01 | mmadia | !numstats |
21:05.01 | gsocbot | mmadia: "numstats" is There are 9 statistics in !numapps. |
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21:05.19 | mmadia | !numapps |
21:05.19 | gsocbot | mmadia: "numapps" is 417 mentoring orgs applied and 175 were accepted in 2011; 5474 proposals were submitted by 3731 students, and 1116 were accepted. In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and 151 were accepted; 5539 proposals were submitted by 3464 students, and 1026 were accepted. |
21:05.57 | agliodbs | iandees: that's pretty clunky, yes |
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21:06.37 | agliodbs | iandees: why are you using a temp table at all? |
21:09.22 | kblin | hehe |
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21:13.16 | iandees | agliodbs: we're building up a representation of an OSM document in the temp tables and then reading them out into our XML format |
21:13.41 | iandees | there are a couple steps to that process... so rather than doing it in memory we use temp tables |
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21:15.14 | agliodbs | iandees: let's take this to #postgresql |
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21:15.23 | iandees | k |
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21:16.06 | abhinemani | hey is anyone else having trouble "creating" their org |
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21:19.17 | nessup | Any one else notice the MIT media lab project has a broken link? |
21:20.58 | allman | yes - Hal is working on fixing the broken MIT link. |
21:21.23 | edsiper | do i need to apply to become part of the Mentors List or is this done automagically ? |
21:21.58 | BBB-work | edsiper, in the list of organizations, click your organization |
21:22.13 | BBB-work | edsiper, then you'll be able to click the "click here to apply to be a mentor" button |
21:22.21 | BBB-work | then the list is automatic |
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21:23.25 | edsiper | BBB-work, You are already an administrator for this organization |
21:23.44 | BBB-work | then it should be automatic :) |
21:23.48 | Fernicia | Hi everyone. Super intimidated newbie here. :P |
21:24.02 | edsiper | thanks BBB-work :) |
21:24.12 | edsiper | Fernicia, don't be |
21:24.14 | BBB-work | np |
21:24.38 | Fernicia | edsiper: Thanks! Are you a student? |
21:25.31 | edsiper | Fernicia, nop, mentor |
21:26.33 | gchaix | Fernicia: like edsiper said, no need to be intimidated. We're all friends here |
21:26.38 | Fernicia | edsiper: Oh cool. Which organisation if you mind me asking? |
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21:27.17 | edsiper | Fernicia, Monkey HTTP Daemon |
21:27.20 | SamSchumer | I love making friends, I'm not too good at it though. |
21:27.26 | edsiper | gchaix, that's correct :) |
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21:28.08 | Alok_ | nessup: just remove the extra slash at the end from the link given on their page. |
21:28.12 | edsiper | i need to confirm something, do exists any rule for the number of slots assigned to any new organization ? |
21:28.35 | gchaix | SamSchumer: hehe. We're geeks, all right. For a lot of us (me included) talking to silicon-based entities is much easier than carbon-based ones :-) |
21:29.03 | SamSchumer | gchiax: Carbon is SO overated. |
21:29.10 | agliodbs | ok, that's NOT at all helpful |
21:29.13 | agliodbs | Please file this issue with Django, they do the field validation. |
21:29.20 | agliodbs | from the Melange team |
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21:29.45 | SamSchumer | Wow, twitter is open source? You learn new things every day... |
21:30.09 | Fernicia | Is it? |
21:30.33 | Fernicia | That's pretty cool. Reddit released their source code too recently didn't they? |
21:31.00 | gchaix | edsiper: I don't think so. In past years it was based somewhat on the number of student applicants the org gets, how many the org asks for, and how many are available. In my experience it's not a hard and fast rule, and I don't know how being a new org affects the number of slots |
21:31.16 | denials | edsiper: new orgs typically get a couple of slots, from what I recall being said last year |
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21:32.28 | carols | is back |
21:32.47 | SamSchumer | Is it better to apply to multiple projects from the same org or spread the apps out over different orgs? |
21:32.52 | SamSchumer | ^in general |
21:33.34 | carols | SamSchumer: it's better to have one really good proposal for the org you most want to work with. |
21:33.36 | Jooles | Hey Fernicia. I'm a student too :). Nervous, but busy looking through the org list and starting to try and hop into IRC channels of interesting looking projects :) |
21:33.41 | Ophiuchi | SamSchumer: it's best to look for projects that really excite you, and that you want to do |
21:34.44 | Triskelios | carols: how early should we be specifying the desired slots? I assume it doesn't matter until we start scoring proposals? |
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21:34.59 | carols | Triskelios: yes, you'll get an email detailing all of it. |
21:34.59 | SamSchumer | Okay! I'm looking a few that seem cool, It's proabably going to come down to the amount of time I have over the next few weeks. |
21:35.03 | carols | for now just talk to students |
21:35.29 | Fernicia | Jooles: Where are you studying? UCC (Irish Uni) student here. |
21:35.57 | Jooles | Fernicia, Computer Science at the UEA (Norwich) |
21:36.04 | Triskelios | carols: okay, thanks! |
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21:36.44 | edsiper | thanks gchaix denials for the info, i got a comment from a student that a rule exists for that and is two slots, but i just wanted to confirm that info.. |
21:37.10 | Jooles | Fernicia, How about you? |
21:37.14 | SamSchumer | Fernicia, Jooles; how much comp sci background do you guys have, I'm trying to get up to speed with the rest of the comunity, I started a semester late and I'm only a freshman, I'm trying to find projects that both interest me and are with in my coding ability |
21:37.16 | gchaix | I don't think there is a hard and fast rule. |
21:37.31 | Fernicia | Jooles: Yeah studying CS too. Finishing up second year at the mo. Do you know many programming languages? I'm most familiar with Java which is annoying because it seems most of the open source stuff is C++ |
21:37.50 | Jooles | SamSchumer: Dude I really wouldn't worry. Uni teaches you nothing except how to learn |
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21:38.32 | Amoug | Why is the list of accepted projects takes so much to be revealed... |
21:38.44 | Amoug | 115 out of 180 yet... |
21:38.50 | SamSchumer | Fernicia: im running into that problem too, that is why im tyring to do javascript and python on the side, at least for the lower level projects |
21:39.02 | Jooles | SamSchumer, I'm a 3rd year (2nd time around) so I've effectively had 3.5 years of uni tuition and still I'm likely to only meet like 50% of the requirements for most projects. It's about knowing how to figure out what you don't know and how to expand on similar skills |
21:39.05 | gchaix | Amoug: the orgs are still filling out their profiles. They only appear in the list after the profile is completed |
21:39.16 | gchaix | s/they/we/ :-) |
21:39.28 | Fernicia | SamSchumer: I don't really know tbh. I subscribe to a few programming communities online and it seems every article there is news to me, so I guess I don't know a lot. :P |
21:39.40 | Amoug | ah ok, where could we see the list of accepted projects ? |
21:40.05 | gchaix | Amoug: just wait a little while longer and the rest of the projects will have their profiles up :-) |
21:40.13 | Amoug | looking for a specific organization |
21:40.18 | SamSchumer | Fernicia: same =/ I at least have a brother who has done a lot of coding to help |
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21:40.19 | Amoug | owasp |
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21:40.31 | edsiper | Amoug, http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2012 |
21:40.36 | Amoug | open web application security project |
21:40.57 | Ophiuchi | Fernicia: don't underestimate specialization effects |
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21:41.17 | Amoug | edsiper, not all of the orgs (180) have filled up their profiles ;) |
21:41.44 | Fernicia | SamSchumer: That's handy! I know a good bit of php too. Might look into something along those lines. I remember I made the bones of a bulletin board last summer and I had a LOAD of ideas to improve phpMyAdmin. Too bad I can't remember any of them... |
21:42.13 | Fernicia | Ophiuchi: What do you mean? |
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21:42.48 | SamSchumer | Fernicia: Php is the next on my list if I mannage to find the time, still gotta stay in school you know ;P |
21:43.27 | Jooles | Fernicia, I know a lot of languages, but the main thing is knowing how to program. Java is used as a teaching language because it forces you to use a reasonable object oriented approach |
21:43.30 | Fernicia | Ophiuchi: I'm be sort of apprehensive about learning a new language in gsoc. Not because I don't want to, but I fear I'd be wasting my mentor's time with stuff I should already know. |
21:43.36 | Ophiuchi | Fernicia: people typically don't discuss foundational stuff, they discuss new and very specific stuff. Unless you happen to be doing research into that very direction, never having heard of it before is normal |
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21:43.56 | Fernicia | Oh right!] |
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21:45.00 | Ophiuchi | throws holy water on everybody mentioning php |
21:45.04 | Fernicia | SamSchumer: PHP is really fun imo. Paired with a tiny bit of SQL and a bit of html/css, you can recreate nearly any popular site on the web |
21:45.12 | Fernicia | Ophiuchi: Not a fan? |
21:45.13 | Catfish_Man | We found with Adium that accepting students that didn't know at least some Objective-C generally didn't turn out well |
21:45.18 | Ophiuchi | oh oops, now I have to shower myself :-} |
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21:45.53 | Jooles | Fernicia: If you want to start learning it, go for it. If you're thinking of applying to a project that'll use C++ just chat with the devs first and ask if that's likely to hold you back or not. From what I gather, the key is being honest about your skills |
21:46.08 | SamSchumer | Fernicia: I tend to look at the source codes for sights for fun, but I should take time formally learn it |
21:46.08 | Jooles | Ophiuchi, PHP PHP PHP! |
21:46.27 | Ophiuchi | SamSchumer: it's sites, not sights, btw |
21:46.49 | Fernicia | Jooles: yeah asking the developer would definitely be the smartest move. Good advice |
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21:52.47 | SamSchumer | Ophiuchi: spelling is my downfall. |
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21:53.25 | Amoug | php is ugly... it should be thrown in fire :s |
21:53.34 | SamSchumer | actualy more like homophones |
21:54.13 | Jooles | Aw, but PHP has magic methods... *MAGIC* |
21:54.17 | denials | Poor PHP. It can be beautiful. Depends on who is writing it. |
21:54.34 | arg3tlam | Just noticed. The MIT Media Lab link is up and running. |
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21:57.14 | john_123 | hello |
21:57.35 | Jooles | Hello :) |
21:58.11 | john_123 | I have a been reading the FAQ but I don't have much clear how the payment thing works for non-US students and I was wondering if somebody could bring some light to it |
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22:00.24 | john_123 | So, the thing is that I am a graduate student, and my grant forbids me from getting money from anywhere else. Could the government figure it out that I am getting money from gsoc if that were the case? |
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22:01.07 | Ata-S | I think money should be thougth on background. If a student joins into the GSOC it should be for experience, otherwise he/she can make more money by getting into a summer job :) |
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22:01.42 | Catfish_Man | Ata-S: while that's true, getting in terrible with the law because of the money would be bad |
22:01.52 | Catfish_Man | john_123: I assume it would need to be reported on taxes, so I don't see why they couldn't |
22:01.53 | Ophiuchi | john_123: assume that it could be googled |
22:02.16 | john_123 | I am not afraid of being googled |
22:02.18 | Jooles | john_123, Which country are you? |
22:03.09 | john_123 | because people working for the government doesnt google but if I have to report the taxes it might be easy for them to see that there is something wrong if I am not suppose to get money from anywhere else |
22:03.10 | john_123 | Spain |
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22:04.04 | meflin | it doesn't mater if it can be googled |
22:04.21 | Jooles | Tax evasion = bad |
22:04.25 | SamSchumer | John_123: I believe the list of participants is published. Or at least last years was. |
22:04.45 | SamSchumer | Jooles: depends where you are. |
22:05.05 | Amoug | wait |
22:05.14 | Amoug | that gsoc money is taxable ? |
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22:05.34 | Amoug | doesn't google just send a credit card ? |
22:05.38 | meflin | depends on local |
22:05.49 | meflin | where I live it is |
22:05.58 | marcj | Has everyone received the acceptance/rejection email? I didn't get one yet. |
22:06.05 | Jooles | meflin, where are you? |
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22:06.18 | meflin | USA |
22:06.33 | dhaun | marcj: they went out hours ago - check your spam folder |
22:06.39 | ojwb | Amoug: it's still likely to be classed as income |
22:06.41 | Jooles | I need to find out about what the UK would treat it as. Need to call citizens advice... |
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22:06.43 | kblin | meflin: what dhaun said |
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22:06.59 | Fernicia | marcj: Are you mentoring? |
22:07.00 | meflin | kblin: uhh what? |
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22:07.09 | marcj | dhaun: I checked my spam folder. |
22:07.11 | Jooles | My assumption is that it counts as payment for services ie. taxable income |
22:07.16 | kblin | meflin: tab completion fail :) |
22:07.29 | marcj | Fernicia: Yes, I am the admin for coreboot. |
22:07.35 | meflin | emails kblin a new tab key |
22:07.38 | kblin | yay |
22:07.45 | Fernicia | Oh, that's cool. :) |
22:07.59 | Jooles | Ooh, I didn't see Coreboot on the list.. |
22:08.00 | john_123 | I have read in the FAQ that there might be some visa involved, if it goes through the government that might be an issue |
22:08.06 | MatthewWilkes | Jooles: For tax stuff call HMRC, not citizens advice. |
22:08.27 | Jooles | MatthewWilkes, Noted. Thanks |
22:08.33 | dhaun | marcj: email came from no-reply@google-melange.appspotmail.com if that helps |
22:09.40 | Amoug | well, if google pays the students by sending them a debit card. How are taxes applied ? |
22:09.54 | Amoug | except by visa/master card/citi bank or whatever is that |
22:09.57 | marcj | dhaun: thanks I found it. |
22:10.01 | dhaun | Amoug: you're responsible for you own taxes |
22:10.02 | john_123 | Amoug: does it work like that? |
22:10.38 | Jooles | Amoug, Generally you inform the tax man somehow that you got $5000 from Google and they say pay us x amount in tax please |
22:10.56 | Amoug | john_123, yes, that's how a friend got paid last year |
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22:11.12 | srabbelier | http://goo.gl/kOwrQ |
22:11.15 | john_123 | In the faq it says something like "Google begins issuing initial student payments provided tax forms are on file and students are in good standing with their communities." |
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22:11.34 | Jooles | john_123, those tax forms are for US students |
22:11.39 | srabbelier | pretty QPS graph http://goo.gl/kOwrQ |
22:12.00 | Jooles | Non US students need to notify their tax agencies in the appropriate manner for that country I believe |
22:12.17 | john_123 | OK that sounds awesome then |
22:12.26 | rohit12 | money comes in 2 different economic years |
22:13.45 | Amoug | Forgot that I live in some random country... no tax land :D |
22:13.54 | Jooles | Hah, sweet :) |
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22:18.10 | msch | did any ruby projects get acceted for GSOC this year (or any year before)? |
22:18.17 | msch | s/acceted/accepted/ |
22:19.18 | Ophiuchi | good evening/night/whenever |
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22:22.21 | flaushy | msch puppetlabs |
22:24.06 | msch | flaushy: ah cool. |
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22:38.05 | srabbelier | wow |
22:38.07 | srabbelier | http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=1464#c2 |
22:38.18 | srabbelier | josh@postgres |
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22:38.22 | srabbelier | great going there |
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22:39.05 | ben1066 | what's with the GSOC age limit? |
22:39.42 | Catfish_Man | ben1066: legalities of employment of minors, if you mean the 18+ requirement |
22:39.52 | ben1066 | Ah right |
22:39.58 | ben1066 | That sucks :( |
22:40.01 | Catfish_Man | it does |
22:40.20 | flaushy | uh get more orgs nominated? i think there have been 175 a couple of hours ago and now we are at 180 |
22:40.30 | ben1066 | I would be interested in taking part except im not allowed for a few years |
22:40.32 | Catfish_Man | flaushy: orgs are filling out their profiles |
22:40.54 | ThomasWaldmann | ben1066: mentors are maybe ok < 18, right? :D |
22:41.01 | Catfish_Man | ThomasWaldmann: yes, actually |
22:41.06 | Catfish_Man | there was a 14 year old mentor |
22:41.17 | Catfish_Man | ben1066: keep your eyes open for Google Code-In. It's structured as a contest, so it can be aimed at <18 people |
22:41.20 | ben1066 | Id make a crap mentor |
22:41.33 | ben1066 | At least, currently |
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22:42.24 | ThomasWaldmann | ben1066: you can do stuff outside of soc, many orgs provide mentoring independantly of soc. you just won't get $$$$, but lots of knowledge. |
22:43.09 | ben1066 | To be honest, I don't care for money so much :) I'm more interested in experience. I mean, I've submitted small bits to some opensource projects. |
22:43.47 | ThomasWaldmann | well, just do more, get in deeper :) |
22:43.47 | noy | well, if that's the case keep working with them |
22:43.50 | noy | exactly |
22:44.19 | ben1066 | I guess so. Ah well, I'll wait. |
22:45.03 | flaushy | Catfish_Man: ok. i thought only the list grew, not the number of participating orgs. thx |
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22:48.26 | Nightrose | is it a known problem that on http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/dashboard/google/gsoc2012#requests all entries go to the same request? |
22:48.33 | Nightrose | ie the link is always the same |
22:50.00 | srabbelier | flaushy, that was a copy/paste typo from last year |
22:50.07 | srabbelier | flaushy, (the fact that it previously said 175) |
22:50.21 | flaushy | srabbelier: ah :) |
22:50.29 | flaushy | thx :) |
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22:50.42 | srabbelier | Nightrose, yes, and a fix is committed |
22:50.46 | srabbelier | deploying new release now |
22:50.57 | Nightrose | srabbelier: thx |
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23:19.09 | cinemascop89 | !next |
23:19.10 | gsocbot | cinemascop89: "next" is Mar 26 19:00 UTC - Student Application period opens |
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23:22.47 | Sebastian_ | Hey, what's the https url for melange this year? |
23:23.31 | Sebastian_ | oh, nvm. the old one redirected to http, but usinghttps://google-melange.appspot.com works. |
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23:28.29 | rodweb | Hello, I've read on the faq that i'm allowed to send up to 20 applications, but only one will be submitted. How it'll be choosed? |
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23:28.52 | rodweb | By myself out by someone else? |
23:29.02 | rodweb | or* |
23:29.51 | ThomasWaldmann | rodweb: you and maybe a bit the orgs |
23:29.53 | Catfish_Man | rodweb: if more than one organization accepts a proposal of yours, they will generally attempt to give you a chance to choose, but if they can't reach you during the duplicate resolution meeting, they'll choose |
23:30.17 | ojwb | or for various other reasons |
23:30.21 | Catfish_Man | rodweb: also, realistically, if you're sending more than a few, it's unlikely any of them will be accepted. They're pretty time consuming |
23:30.45 | ojwb | wonders why the limit is still 20 |
23:31.04 | gevaerts | ojwb: to make spam applications shorter :) |
23:31.12 | ojwb | if it was 10, it would seriously reduce the junk without actually affecting anyone submitting real applications |
23:31.14 | ThomasWaldmann | hehe |
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23:32.03 | ojwb | gevaerts: except they just send the same one to 20 orgs, from what I've seen |
23:32.18 | rodweb | Catfish_Man: so if several applications will be accepted,I'll have time to decide up to the limit of the period? |
23:32.24 | ThomasWaldmann | "please take me, i do everything!!1" |
23:32.29 | ojwb | rodweb: you may get to choose, but you may not |
23:32.37 | Catfish_Man | rodweb: no, duplicate acceptances will be decided during a meeting |
23:32.40 | ojwb | don't apply for a project if you wouldn't be happy to do it |
23:32.43 | Catfish_Man | it's considered polite to try to contact the student |
23:32.44 | Catfish_Man | but not require |
23:32.45 | Catfish_Man | d |
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23:34.53 | rodweb | I don't get it. If I'll send applications for two organizations, and burn if then will be accepted, what will happen next? |
23:35.04 | rodweb | Both* |
23:35.09 | rodweb | Of* |
23:35.15 | rodweb | Damn T9 |
23:35.27 | Catfish_Man | rodweb: then the mentors from those organizations, and the gsoc admins, join an irc channel together at a predetermined time |
23:35.29 | Catfish_Man | and decide what to do |
23:35.45 | Catfish_Man | most likely they'll ask you, if you're around |
23:36.16 | rodweb | Catfish_Man: so it's better not to send multiple applications? |
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23:36.35 | Catfish_Man | rodweb: I can't give a yes or no answer to that. It's best to only send in applications that you actually want to do |
23:36.47 | ThomasWaldmann | rodweb: 2, maybe 3 (depends on your time) |
23:37.01 | rodweb | Get it, thanks |
23:37.22 | ThomasWaldmann | if you try to do more, they won't be good enough |
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23:37.52 | Catfish_Man | ThomasWaldmann: generally. We did get like 5 one year from one student that were all wildly creative and very cool |
23:37.55 | ThomasWaldmann | usually orgs want to see own ideas on stuff, not just c&p from their ideas page |
23:38.05 | Catfish_Man | sadly, we had a surfeit of applicants that year, and let pidgin have him |
23:39.07 | ThomasWaldmann | also, you need to do project time planning and refinement of ideas |
23:39.28 | gevaerts | Well, own ideas or a proposal based on one of the ideas of the list, but with all the details filled in and showing a clear understanding of the idea |
23:39.44 | ThomasWaldmann | Catfish_Man: yeah, that may happen, but is rather exceptional |
23:40.33 | ThomasWaldmann | gevaerts: yeah, i meant "own ideas about the details for a suggested rough idea" |
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23:45.24 | Npmay | hi, 180 projects accepted, and 123 are on the list at http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2012 Where are the other 57? |
23:45.50 | Catfish_Man | Npmay: filling out their organization profiles |
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23:47.40 | noy | I should really get on that |
23:49.11 | Npmay | how can I check to see whether my project admins applied by the deadline this year? |
23:49.25 | BBB-work | Npmay, you ask them |
23:49.47 | rodweb | Can I combine some ideas from the org's idea list into one? |
23:49.47 | Npmay | if they are here? If so, please check on R Project for Statistical Computing thanks |
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23:50.44 | Catfish_Man | rodweb: there aren't any restrictions on what you can propose. Just consider if it makes sense, is valuable (or at least interesting), and is within a reasonable scope for your abilities |
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