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02:11.35theboltmorning
02:12.01wtachi!countdown
02:12.02gsocbotwtachi: "countdown" is Countdown for accepted organization list: http://goo.gl/WWIAU
02:12.06anth_xevening. :-)
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03:00.43qheadenHi. I live in the US, and am planning on applying to an organization for GSoC. If I get accepted, when do I submit my tax information?
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03:02.59edsiperqheaden, http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs ; May 21th: Google begins issuing initial student payments provided tax forms are on file and students are in good standing with their communities.
03:03.56qheadenedsiper: So basically, I need to have my tax information in before May 21st?
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03:05.52edsiperqheaden, as far as i understand , google provides you the tax forms on that day
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03:06.12qheadenOh ok.
03:06.34edsiperqheaden, that should not be an issue, Google will guide you in the process..
03:06.54qheadenSo the list of accepted organizations are going to be revealed tomorrow right? I'm guessing Pacific time.
03:08.43edsiperqheaden, tomorrow, check the countdown http://goo.gl/WWIAU
03:09.43qheadenThank you.
03:11.35edsiperyou are welcome
03:11.45edsipergood luck when choosing an org..
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04:13.55JordiGHMan, we've already gotten two patches from students before even getting accepted as an org.
04:14.00JordiGHhopes we get accepted.
04:14.41edsiperthat's nice :)
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05:07.52JordiGH'Twas the night before GSoC...
05:07.55JordiGHAll through the 'net...
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05:08.11JordiGHGood night!
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10:56.49pallav!next
10:56.50gsocbotpallav: "next" is Mar 16 19:00 UTC - List of accepted mentoring organizations published on the Google Summer of Code 2012 site.
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12:17.41sfbGood morning everyone.
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12:18.23JordiGHomg omg omg omg omg omg
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13:01.46kaiit's a nice tamagochi, and I went and installed an ssh client right away, so I could do some work with it in theory
13:02.51kaibut getting my flacs on there only works with a special library for mtp support, and then only as root and one file at a time
13:03.14kaiso the obvious solution seems to be getting a real fileserver up there
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14:55.19downeytoday is the big day, yes?
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14:56.56TaggnostrI have a question about the visa card that I received during the last gsoc, can I ask here?
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14:58.54gevaertsTaggnostr: you can. There's no guarantee that anyone currently awake and watching the screen can answer though
14:58.57downeyTaggnostr: If it's a general question, we might collectively be able to help you. If it's something specific to your own situation, you should probably e-mail carols
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15:00.07Taggnostrok, I'm trying to pay for something, and the fields are: "name on the card" (so my name), "Country of residence", "billing address", "City", "State", "Postal code"
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15:01.13Taggnostrif I put my country of residence, the fields for the billing address change, so since I think I have to put google billing address, I think I have to put "United states" as country of residence, right?
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15:05.52downeyTaggnostr: good question, not being a student i haven't used the cards before. maybe someone else here has
15:06.02downeyTaggnostr: generally in the US the second field for post code is optional
15:06.19anth_xTaggnostr: the last 4 help for routing, but are (as far as the postal service is concerned) optional. i'd be surprised if they were required on the form.
15:06.34Taggnostrmaybe I can just try to leave it empty and submit
15:06.37MayankTaggnostr: I have not used this card for online payment, but if I remember correctly from Carol's email last year - you need to enter the billing address as Google's and you could add the shipment address as your address.
15:07.02downeyTaggnostr: you'll find out rather quickly if the address is not accepted :)
15:07.32Taggnostrok, let's try (I'm buying a flight, so I'm the only thing being shipped)
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15:10.24MayankTaggnostr: hah. ok! And yes I just checked the thread - you need to add the billing address as Google's address - https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-summer-of-code-students-list/cJMpA-da08M/RYleYkMXpv4J
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15:11.16Taggnostrapparently the session timed out while I was trying to figure out these things, so I'll have to do everything again
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15:13.11LetterRipwatches second hand slowly drag by
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15:15.39downey13,460 seconds :)
15:15.44downeyhttp://mjd.bz/wJjbOf
15:16.15MayankLetterRip: your org would be there on the list - almost 90%?
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15:17.09LetterRipMayank: i'm always a pessimist :)
15:18.09LetterRipif we are accepted it is always a pleasant surprise
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15:18.20LetterRipwell more of an optimistic pessimist
15:18.25MayankLetterRip: Heh! Try being the other way around. You would'nt find the need to watch the second's hand.
15:18.43LennieAny org admins here :)?
15:18.57LetterRip#Lennie - yeppers for Blender
15:19.03LetterRipand lots of others are here i'm sure
15:19.07dadkins!next
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15:19.35dadkinsis asking are we there yet??
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15:20.18kai!when | dadkins
15:20.18gsocbotdadkins: "when" is later
15:20.46dadkins:)
15:20.48LetterRipi'm sure carols is getting some well needed rest
15:21.45LetterRippoor gal was probably reviewing gsoc applications till the wee hours
15:22.14LennieJust a note that if you are accepted you will need to invite your other admin manually. I might go in later today and run a script to give those who haven't gotten an invite by then admin rights but I'm not 100% sure yet. We'll make it better for next year :)
15:22.39downeyLennie: even if we specified their link ID already in the form?
15:22.45Lenniedowney, yes
15:22.49downeyLennie: ok :)
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15:23.10LennieIt's an issue we have become aware of ~a week ago and there is no simple fix :)
15:23.16anth_xLennie: i thought the other admin had to already be signed up (otherwise the application wouldn't recognize the link_id)? That was my experience anyway.
15:23.22anth_xOh, i see. never mind.
15:23.31Lennieanth_x, yeah there lies the problem
15:23.41Lennieanth_x, signed up as a user but not with a profile for this years program
15:24.04gevaertsLennie: I hope you get accepted this year so you get students to fix all that ;)
15:24.30downeyheh
15:24.35Lenniegevaerts, not sure if it is a worthy project :), I am also not sure if we'll use any slots this year depending on what kind of ideas we get
15:24.49Taggnostrlooks like it worked even with only the 5-digits zip code, thanks for help!
15:24.50LennieWe are nearly done with Melange, it's in way better shape these days :)
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15:24.59downeyTaggnostr: cool
15:25.05LennieCarol is also a lot happier with it :P
15:25.26LennieThe lists are still painful though :(
15:25.48LennieBut we were on AppEngine when it didn't even had cronjobs </hipster-cat>
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15:25.58LetterRip@Lennie - there was also some wierdness this year of not being able to locate the form - it didn't turn up on my admin page till after it was submitted
15:26.15LennieLetterRip, you mean the dashboard?
15:26.15LetterRipfortunately someone knew where the link was located so was able to find it
15:26.20LetterRipyeah
15:26.25LennieLetterRip, link was on the frontpage
15:26.25Lenniehmm
15:26.40LennieLetterRip, could you file an issue stating you'd like a link on the dashboard during the org app period? :)
15:26.44Lennie!bug
15:26.45gsocbotLennie: "bug" is file melange feature requests & bugs at http://tinyurl.com/new-issue
15:27.01LetterRipsure
15:27.03Lenniethanks!
15:27.06gevaertsLennie: weren't there still some performance issues with tags and GCI?
15:27.08hsyLennie: it was on the frontpage, but when you came from a google search, you didn't end up on the frontpage - at least, i think that was part of my confusion.
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15:27.39Lenniehsy, yeah the experience got thrown around a bit since we now require profiles before you can submit your application
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15:27.55Lenniehsy, patches welcome :D
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15:28.11hsyyay!
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15:33.29LennieLetterRip, thanks for the report
15:33.49LetterRipnp - thanks for working on melange :)
15:35.23LennieLetterRip, we do our best :P. Lets hope things go smoothly today and otherwise we can all be reminded that software is written by humans :).
15:35.52LetterRipthat is why i can't wait for the future where software is written by robots :)
15:35.55LetterRipheheh
15:36.27LennieBut who will make the robots :D
15:36.38LennieMaybe we should just hire more monkeys :)
15:36.38schumamlother robots
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16:20.52vytasHave a good weekend all !
16:21.29Lalinot a good week end, exam in next week !
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16:51.16JordiGHhttp://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2012
16:51.19JordiGHC'mon...
16:51.21JordiGHC'mooooon
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16:51.56edsiperhaha, inactive
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16:54.16lebekhow many of you are already in contact with an org you intend to do GSoC with?
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16:56.13akarsh_eslebek  : i am
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16:56.56lebekakarsh_es: nice, who is it?
16:57.07JordiGHLet's hope that org gets accepted...
16:57.23akarsh_eslebek: org? QEMU
16:57.46lebekoh nice
16:57.51akarsh_esJordiGH : thnak you. i hope they do:)
16:57.54lebekI used that when I was learning ARM
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16:58.47akarsh_eslebek: great. i hope the experience with it was good.
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17:00.11lebekit was :)
17:00.43lebekthere's a certain org I wish I'd asked to apply
17:00.54lebekI just assumed that would because they have in previous years
17:00.58lebek*they
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17:04.01JordiGHlebek: Which one? Curious.
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17:04.34carolsserves some tea and coffee
17:04.36carolsalmost time :-)
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17:04.45anth_xtea time? ;-)
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17:06.34lebekJordiGH: tahoe-lafs https://tahoe-lafs.org/
17:06.59JordiGHC'est quoi>?
17:07.06JordiGHAh, a filesystem.
17:07.29lebekyeah a filesystem with some nice security properties
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17:11.05edsiperlebek, what it uses to server HTTP ?
17:11.10edsiper*serve
17:11.14yliuthere are still more than one hours left to announce to accepted orgs...yawn..yawn...midnight in Asia time
17:11.16JordiGitHatePort 80?
17:11.32lebekedsiper: twisted
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17:11.36yliuhello room
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17:12.16GenXyliu, hi
17:12.21yliuwanna join the talks to keep clear
17:12.22edsiperlebek, got it. thanks
17:12.26yliuhi GenX
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17:12.49yliuGenX, are you mentor?
17:13.12GenXno
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17:13.16akarsh_eslebek: the org looks interesting. the chances of them getting selected is high i feel as they are supporting smaller orgs this time
17:13.39brlcadcarols: can you share stats on how many applied and how many were accepted yet?
17:13.50yliuGenX, ah...so you are student...what will you apply for?
17:13.52carolsbrlcad: not yet. it'll be int he blog post in a couple hours.
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17:14.03lebekakarsh_es: the chances are remarkably low because they didn't apply ;)
17:14.25lebekakarsh_es: that's interesting that smaller orgs are getting more support this time
17:14.28GenXI an looking around something on Machine Learning or Natural Language Processing
17:14.34edsiperlebek, sounds a neat project...
17:14.35GenXs/an/am
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17:15.21yliuGenX, ah...looks profound to me... need much algorithm knowledge, hum?
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17:16.02GenXyliu, certainly
17:17.05yliuGenX, are there orgs og GSoC dealing with NLP?
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17:17.10akarsh_eslebek : oh:(
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17:17.51lebeknevermind there are lots of interesting projects :)
17:18.17GenXyliu, Apertium is one I know of.
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17:19.53yliuGenX, just had a dig on it. looks like it is a mature projects relatively
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17:20.38lebekI wonder if freebsd will be accepted if they're focusing on smaller orgs this year
17:20.58GenXyliu, what are you interested in ?
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17:21.21lebekprobably, given Google's history with freebsd
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17:22.06yliulebek, really? smaller orgs need more support to grow bigger...so this focus looks great to me
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17:23.00yliuGenX, I am interested in system level software, like distributed file system, os...
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17:23.43yliuGenX, but unfortunately, i can't apply...well, I will be a mentor if our probjects are accepted this year
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17:25.31edsiperyliu, what's your org ?
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17:25.47yliuedsiper, sheepdog
17:25.59GenXyliu, :)
17:26.08yliua distributed block storage for KVM
17:26.14JordiGitHateI'm trembling like a leaf.
17:26.15lebekyliu: I agree with you, just speculating on the nature of the focus - i.e. will it be a reweighting: more small orgs, or a complete shift: all small orgs
17:26.16JordiGitHateSo nervous!
17:26.22edsiperyliu, it looks nice
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17:27.24yliuedsiper, thanks...what are you interested in?
17:27.56gevaertslebek: as far as I know neither the number of organisations nor the number of students will change dramatically, so "all small orgs" seems rather unlikely
17:28.26edsiperyliu, into get our org accepted :)
17:28.27yliulebek, focus on small orgs will be chances creating more value for open source community
17:28.39instructorexit
17:28.44agliodbshave the orgs been picked?
17:28.51Catfish_Manyliu: GSoC's focus is more on helping students than on helping organizations, although it ends up benefiting both
17:28.56edsiperagliodbs, not yet, in about 1.5h
17:29.09gevaertsAlso, some of the large orgs are umbrellas, so they're really just a different way to structure things
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17:29.34agliodbsI didn't think so
17:29.35yliuCatfish_Man, ah, yea..you speak better than me...
17:30.06yliuedsiper, what is your org?
17:30.12JordiGitHateCatfish_Man: Free software is about greed. I want code. Students want money. Both benefit. >:)
17:30.15edsiperyliu, monkey
17:30.24edsiper(monkey http daemon)
17:30.28gevaertsclaims that the entire purpose of gsoc is to consume real chocolate and virtual cookies
17:31.04carolsagrees with gevaerts
17:31.08schumamlconvert chocolate to code
17:31.18edsiperthat's right
17:31.21yliuedsiper, what kind of monkey?
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17:31.46edsiperyliu, web server, URL in private
17:32.00yliuedsiper, okay...
17:32.21gevaertscarols: I heard a rumour saying that organisation selection is entirely done based on the amount of chocolate people promise to bring to the mentor summit. Is this true? :)
17:32.35carolsgevaerts: i can neither confirm nor deny.
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17:32.39yliuedsiper, is this your org first time to participate sgoc?
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17:33.24gevaertscarols: ok, I'll make up my own mind then and assume it's true ;)
17:33.29carols;-)
17:33.41edsiperyliu, third try
17:33.51|Kev|I'm still waiting for the year that the stars align and I end up going to the summit.
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17:34.19Catfish_Mangevaerts: almost right. It's actually chocolate and 12+ year scotch that decides it
17:34.19yliuedsiper, ah, good luck...this is our first time to try sgoc..hopes we can get accepted...our community is too small :(
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17:35.06edsiperyliu, thanks, good luck for you too..our community is small also..
17:36.41yliuedsiper, wow...i looked at your homepage...learned that monkey has a history of 10 years..that is cool...
17:37.46edsiperyliu, yeah, long story :)
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17:43.37DonJ!next
17:43.40gsocbotDonJ: "next" is Mar 16 19:00 UTC - List of accepted mentoring organizations published on the Google Summer of Code 2012 site.
17:44.07JordiGitHateDonJ: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2012
17:44.11JordiGitHateRefresh it like crazy.
17:44.19JordiGitHateMaybe it will update faster that way.
17:44.29carolssmiles
17:45.00JordiGitHategoes watch a pot boil too.
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17:45.53carols:-D
17:46.04downey4444 seconds and counting :)
17:46.28mlankhorsthuzzah
17:46.31mlankhorstanother year
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17:47.31mlankhorstheh, 500 internal error
17:47.31srabbeliereyAH
17:47.33srabbelierlooking into it
17:47.59yliugot email and said our org is rejected... :(
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17:48.07JordiGitHateaw, got an email.
17:48.10JordiGitHateWe're out.
17:48.13edsiperi am crying.
17:48.14JordiGitHateNot accepted.
17:48.18JordiGitHate;_;
17:48.23yliu!_!
17:48.31yliuJord, what is your org doing?
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17:49.08JordiGitHateyliu: Octave.
17:50.06downey500 server errors from melange :)
17:50.24flaushy_:( sorry to hear JordiGitHate
17:50.35scorche|shdowney: that means it is working!
17:50.47yliuJord...Humm....isn't GNU registered as a org?
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17:51.00Triskeliosyay, we made it! :)
17:51.07JordiGHYeah, we might get one student in through GNU, if it gets accepted.
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17:51.50downeyscorche|sh: hmm, interesting status for a working system :D
17:53.03srabbelierI'm looking into the 500 errors
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17:53.18chxhi here
17:53.50yliuumm this is first time our org applying for SGoC....I am disappointed as how much I wished to be accepted ..cry..cry...
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17:54.43GenXyliu, better luck next time :)
17:54.46mlankhorst!next
17:54.48gsocbotmlankhorst: "next" is Mar 16 19:00 UTC - List of accepted mentoring organizations published on the Google Summer of Code 2012 site.
17:54.52mlankhorst!forget next
17:54.53carolsserves some tea and cookies for everyone
17:54.54gsocbotmlankhorst: The operation succeeded.
17:54.57*** topic/#gsoc by srabbelier -> http://www.google-melange.com Google Summer of Code 2012 has started! We're investigating 500 errors for accepted organizations . You can check out the timeline: http://goo.gl/FQb2b and the FAQs: http://goo.gl/Lh4R8 for more information.
17:55.01Triskeliosyliu: my advice is to get an org with a lot of experience to vouch for you
17:55.06edsiperMonkey HTTP Daemon is IN. :D
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17:55.27downeyanyone have sugar?
17:55.34downey& milk
17:55.35schumamlGIMP is in
17:55.36carolstakes a deep breath
17:55.37mlankhorst!learn next as Mar 26 11:00 UTC - Student Application period opens
17:55.39gsocbotmlankhorst: "next" is Mar 26 11:00 UTC - Student Application period opens
17:55.47anth_xwell drat. didn't make the cut.
17:55.50chxso the org admins got mails but noone else yet?
17:55.54JordiGHanth_x: Which one?
17:55.56mlankhorsthm wait, that calendar is in pacific time
17:55.59mlankhorst!forget next
17:56.00gsocbotmlankhorst: The operation succeeded.
17:56.03JordiGHchx: Yeah, looks like.
17:56.08mlankhorst!learn next as Mar 26 19:00 UTC - Student Application period opens
17:56.09anth_xcarols: will there be a "rejected orgs" meeting like last year? has that been scheduled yet?
17:56.10gsocbotmlankhorst: "next" is Mar 26 19:00 UTC - Student Application period opens
17:56.22carolsanth_x: yes, i will send out an email about scheduling as soon as i have it.
17:56.24anth_xJordiGH: Plan 9.
17:56.26carolsprobably in a couple hours.
17:56.30anth_xcarols: thanks.
17:56.33schumaml!utc
17:56.33gsocbotschumaml: "utc" is When developing open source, you'll work with people in time zones all over the world. Check http://goo.gl/wUKjq for current times, including UTC.
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17:56.41carolsanth_x: yw.
17:56.51schumamlhah, great, someone thought about this
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17:57.08mlankhorstthe one true time (TM)
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17:59.06Nightrosecarols: thank you! :)  *bounce*
17:59.12carolsNightrose: you're welcome!
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17:59.28yliuTriskelios, thanks for your advise...well...complicated, i am sure if our org will apply gsoc next year...what i am sure is, keeps coding just tomorrow to forget it
17:59.37yliui am not sure*
17:59.51JordiGHI'll be sad if R, Scilab, and Numpy all get in but we don't.
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18:00.03srabbelierwe are now fixing the broken orgs
18:00.17srabbelierand done
18:00.23srabbelierif you experience a 500 please try again
18:00.26carolsthanks srabbelier
18:00.29carolsyou're awesome
18:00.31raghavhello sir
18:00.38mlankhorstNightrose: yay
18:00.39*** topic/#gsoc by srabbelier -> http://www.google-melange.com Google Summer of Code 2012 has started! Accepted organizations will be announced momentarily . You can check out the timeline: http://goo.gl/FQb2b and the FAQs: http://goo.gl/Lh4R8 for more information.
18:00.55|Kev|carols: Thank you.
18:01.01carolsyw |Kev|
18:01.04hybrid_o_o_ oOo _o_o_
18:01.08JordiGHAnd I thought we had such a good chance of getting in...
18:01.08Nightrosemlankhorst: :)
18:01.09Nightrosemlankhorst: how about you?
18:01.25raghavi am eagerly waiting for organisations to be announces
18:01.31mlankhorstsame
18:02.02Lenniecarols, I fixed the 500 for the 57 applications not sure how many of them were accepted though :)
18:02.12carolsthanks Lennie
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18:03.56hybridJordiGH, octave is not getting in?
18:04.08JordiGHhybrid: Nope, got rejected.
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18:04.34Lenniecarols, 36 of them were accepted. It should be good for them now, we'll look into the why
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18:06.49MatthewWilkesAww, no GSoC for me this year. I'll miss you guys at the summit, best of luck to everyone taking part!
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18:06.56hybridJordiGH, sorry to hear that. Hoping for lots of audiovisual devs
18:07.27iandeesi'm getting "This page is inaccessible because you do not have a profile in the program at this time."
18:07.30srabbelierMatthewWilkes, why nawt? :O
18:07.37downeyhmm, no google+ field on org pages? :)
18:07.40MatthewWilkessrabbelier: Plone didn't get in.
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18:07.46srabbelierMatthewWilkes, *mind blown*
18:08.09JordiGHHuh, Plone is pretty big.
18:08.12JordiGHI don't feel so bad now.
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18:08.28denialsiandees: I think you need to be logged into the Google account that you used to submit the GSoC org application
18:08.44MatthewWilkessrabbelier: We'll try again next year, and if a new org or two gets to try their hand at it because we're out that's no loss in the grand scheme of things
18:08.53Lennieiandees, you are a backup admin?
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18:09.02iandeesi am, but i was marked as a backupadmin (i wasn't the original submitter)
18:09.04iandeesyep Lennie
18:09.07srabbelierMatthewWilkes, true
18:09.15Lennieiandees, known issue please have your main admin create the org :)
18:09.16gchaixis having access problems as well, I'm a backup admin and neither of the google accounts I've used in prior years on melange are letting me in :-/
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18:09.26iandeesLennie: rodger dodger! thanks
18:09.33Lennieiandees, it's because you don't have a profile :P
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18:09.41iandeeswell i did last year
18:09.45iandeeshow do i create a profile?
18:09.55gchaixiandees: I think I'm in the same situation as you
18:10.22srabbelierLennie, can we instead tell them "create a profile?
18:10.24Lennieiandees, you'll get a link on how to do it once your other admin invites you back
18:10.26srabbelierLennie, or would that not fix it?
18:10.34Lenniesrabbelier, it might not sure if that page is available right now :)
18:10.55marco__man, even wxwidgets is not in
18:10.56marco__=(
18:10.57Lenniesrabbelier, also please don't paste the link here because you know how students are :P
18:10.57iandeesok. i think the other admin is at dinner a few timezones over :)
18:11.16Lennieiandees, there is no rush just have him get it done within a day :D
18:11.23iandeessounds good
18:12.03denialshuh, interesting - I'm a backup admin and got in, but to a completely blank org profile. will get in touch with primary admin
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18:12.42Lenniedenials, there is supposed to be no profile :)
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18:13.04carolsdenials: you fill in the profile. it starts blank.
18:13.06denialsLennie: heh, okay, back to filling that out then :)
18:13.25denialscarols: thanks, sorry for my confusion
18:13.31carolsyw
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18:13.42denials(also sorry for bringing subpar Caramilk bars to the summit)
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18:14.03Lenniedenials, try again this year :0
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18:14.38gchaixis there any way for us to get to our personal profile?  Melange is telling me I don't have one.
18:14.42dberkholzcarols: thanks for the opportunity again for gentoo, but sorry to hear about xorg. looking forward to hearing about what happened there at the meeting.
18:14.44iandeescarols: is it OK to publicize yet or should we wait for the official announcement from you guys?
18:15.02carolsdberkholz: sure, happy to talk about it then.
18:15.27carolsiandees: you're welcome to talk about it to whomever you'd like, but please wait 45 minutes until you make blog posts
18:15.34iandeesk
18:15.55iandeesdberkholz: did you get a minnebar ticket?
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18:16.09dberkholziandees: yep
18:16.14dberkholzcarols: ha, does that count twitter too?
18:16.20dberkholziandees: you?
18:16.30dberkholzhaven't tweeted yet but was going to
18:16.46carolswe're just trying to give orgs some time to set up their profiles before the list goes live
18:16.51iandeesyep, i noticed the eventbrite site was open by random chance and got one of the first tickets
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18:17.02dberkholzi got an email as a past attendee
18:17.12LetterRipohh they were emailed early :)
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18:17.35JordiGHSigh, there was so much mobilisation too. Several people started to offer themselves as mentors, students started sending in patches, people edited our application collectively...
18:17.40JordiGHmfw ;_;
18:17.59NightroseJordiGH: use it and run your own program!
18:18.02JordiGHcarols: Does weeping in the mailing list count as blog posts?
18:18.09LetterRiphehe
18:18.12NightroseJordiGH: look at season of kde
18:18.14MatthewWilkesNightrose, JordiGH: +1
18:18.33iandeesdberkholz: i may track you down and ask to pick your brain a bit about mentoring/adminning. feels like OSM is a big org project wise but not developer wise
18:18.35Nightroseif you have the right people there is nothing stopping you
18:18.47MatthewWilkesNever look a gift horse in the mouth, and there's little better than more enthusiasm in your community than you have planned for
18:18.58Nightrosehehe
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18:19.06hybridJordiGH, how cool man.
18:19.33hybridJordiGH, did u know that we have a 'rejected applicants' meeting?
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18:19.51JordiGHhybrid: Is it with all the goth kids?
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18:20.18hybridanyway, how many students can a mentoring organization get?
18:20.26MatthewWilkesJordiGH: If you want to be a non-conformist like us you need to listen to the same music and wear the same clothes we do
18:20.26hsylinks to twitter and fb pages, but no G+ pages ?! am i missing something?
18:20.52iandeespatches welcome! :P
18:20.53LetterRiphsy - G+ - who uses that <ducks>
18:20.54LetterRipheheh
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18:21.19hybridJordiGH, do you dubstep.fm?
18:21.27JordiGHNo.
18:21.36JordiGHAre we gonna put on some The Cure songs?
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18:22.57hybridJordiGH, we can. And we can think about ways to approach gsoc program
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18:23.20hybridhow many students a mentoring org gets?
18:23.38anth_xhybrid: varies by org.
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18:24.00anth_xit's mostly driven by how many applications the org gets, with other factors (or that's been past practice, anyway)
18:24.21Lennieso who managed to create their org yet?
18:24.26Lennie(and is on IRC :P)
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18:24.41hsyLennie: i think i did
18:24.51JordiGHHow many applications it gets?
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18:24.54carolsLennie: i did :-)
18:25.01hsyLennie: but i was confused on what to enter at those numbers for the number of projects
18:25.04Lenniecarols, you are special :p
18:25.06JordiGHhybrid: What's the rejected org thing like?
18:25.09anth_xJordiGH: how many students apply to work with that org.
18:25.12carolsyes i am :-)
18:25.22hybridanth_x, JordiGH, cool. But its a fixed number of students for each application, max number not always used
18:25.23JordiGHanth_x: I thought first you got the slots?
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18:25.26Lenniehsy, you change that number at the end of the application period to the amount of slots you'd like
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18:25.45jsqweI just heard that my organization's application has been rejected :(
18:25.45hsyLennie: ah! so that's not decided yet, sweet!
18:25.58LunohoDjsqwe: +1 :(
18:25.59jsqweHow do I get feedback on why ?
18:26.37carolsjsqwe: we'll schedule a feedback meeting on irc for rejected orgs. please pay attention to the mailing lists for the details.
18:26.47LetterRipjsqwe: there will be a meeting on irc
18:26.51JordiGHOh, nice, you tell us why not?
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18:26.58LetterRiper see carols reply :)
18:27.05abmacarols: how many applications did you get and how many where accepted?
18:27.06anth_xJordiGH, hybrid: in years past, the slots are awarded after the student application period closes. you get a number and can arrange your applications to fit. last year the profile let you specify requested slots (so you don't overload mentors and whatnot).
18:27.09jsqwewhich mailing list ? whats the name ?
18:27.19carolsabma: please check out our blog post in a half hour for that info.
18:27.30abmaok, sorry & thanks
18:27.34carolsyw
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18:28.57hybridanth_x, very cool. I was thinking of using them for AA too, maybe after the awarded slots
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18:29.25anth_x"AA"?
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18:29.41LetterRipanti aircraft? anti aliasing? :)
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18:29.53hybridanth_x, http://wiki.nosdigitais.teia.org.br/GSoC#AA_.28client.29
18:29.53JordiGHAlcoholics anonymous.
18:30.05hybridLetterRip, JordiGH almost that
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18:30.26hybridLetterRip, JordiGH, anth_x: AA is *the* Ambiguous Acronym.
18:30.27JordiGHI was closest.
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18:30.55carolsrefreshes the tea
18:30.59Lennie!bug | hsy
18:30.59gsocbothsy: "bug" is file melange feature requests & bugs at http://tinyurl.com/new-issue
18:31.06carolshangs out on the open source couch trying to get some work done
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18:31.47atuljangraDisppaointed by the results
18:32.06anth_xdisapointed i'll be getting less tea this summer. :-)
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18:32.46atuljangraanth_x : which org ?
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18:33.13anth_xPlan 9
18:33.40GautamGuptaLooks like WordPress & LimeSurvey couldn't make it too.
18:33.47JordiGHWordPress?
18:33.54JordiGHWe'll be in good company in the rejects club.
18:33.57JordiGHThe Google's Rejects.
18:34.13kernelhunter92JordiGH, good one!
18:34.25kernelhunter92mine's k-9
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18:35.05sfbwoot.
18:35.10hybrid_o_o_ oOo _o_o_
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18:40.11dberkholzhmm, i can't get into last year's org profile to grab some stuff from it
18:40.14dberkholzgot a 500 from melange
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18:40.34nessup19 minutes left! Excited.
18:40.50nessupAny advice for someone doing his first GSoC?
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18:41.00carolsnessup: have you read the student manual?
18:41.01dberkholziandees: absolutely, one of our big pushes over the past year and this year as well is trying to share what we've learned w/ other orgs
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18:41.26nessupcarols, sounds like something I´ll look into now
18:41.30sumanah!manual
18:41.31carolsgreat
18:41.40sumanahforgot for a second she wasn't in her home channel :)
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18:42.01hybridnessup, 359 users on the channel is a record since i started dropping by
18:42.02dberkholziandees: for starters, there's some admin content in the mentoring manual, and Nightrose, |Kev|, and i wrote a series of blog posts last summer you should check out. they're on the gsoc blog.
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18:42.24Nightrosewaves to dberkholz
18:42.32dberkholzNightrose: in for this year?
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18:42.42Nightroseyes!
18:42.44Nightrose\o/
18:42.46dberkholz^5
18:42.50nessupah, nice
18:42.53Nightrose^5
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18:43.07Nightrosefilling out the org profile atm
18:43.08carolshybrid: wait until the reduplication meeting. it gets around 500 :-)
18:43.13dberkholzyep, just finished our profile
18:43.13carolsdeduplication
18:43.19carolswow, we wouldn't want reduplication
18:43.22sumanahthe redupe meeting is even worse
18:43.27sumanahthere are 2ce as many people
18:43.28sumanah;-)
18:43.31dberkholzexcept for the stuff i can't seem to get at from last year, which isn't yet relevant anyhow. messages for accepted/rejected students
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18:44.05hybridcarols, wow
18:44.24Lenniedberkholz, I believe that might be new this year
18:44.36dberkholznah, it was around before
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18:44.39hybridsumanah, what is this meeting about?
18:44.40LennieNightrose, gratz
18:44.45dberkholzpretty sure it showed up like 2 days before the messages went out
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18:45.11dberkholzLennie: but i am getting a 500 trying to "edit" the 2011 org profile so i can see that info
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18:45.22sumanahhybrid: the deduplication meeting is a meeting for the GSoC organizational administrators to figure out how to deal with application conflicts, where one student had proposals accepted at multiple orgs
18:45.27NightroseLennie: thx! :)  looks like i won't be joining you in NY after all btw - about to move to berlin
18:45.29Lenniedberkholz, you sure it's a 500?
18:45.31sumanah(if I recall correctly)
18:45.35LennieNightrose, darn it!
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18:45.38globaliistsrabbelier: I have same issue as iandees... I don't have a 2012 profile and can't find a way to create one.  Our main admin can't invite as co/backup admin without a profile... seems cyclical loop.
18:45.41NightroseLennie: i know! :D
18:45.42LennieNightrose, no tour of the office for you :p
18:45.42dberkholzLennie: yeah, with a very pretty melange logo staring at me
18:45.48Nightrose*sob*
18:45.59Lennieglobaliist, one of you must have a profile :)
18:46.03NightroseLennie: but maybe i'll come visit in summer
18:46.05globaliistyes - our main admin does
18:46.06dberkholzLennie: try http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/profile/organization/google/gsoc2011/gentoo
18:46.12Lennieglobaliist, he should create the org
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18:46.16MatthewWilkesNightrose: Yay Bärlin!
18:46.24NightroseMatthewWilkes: :D
18:46.28globaliistLennie: he has created the org
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18:46.48globaliistLennie: I have a link Id - Ihave been a mentor and admin before.
18:46.50dberkholzglobaliist: have your main admin click the link in the email, that leads to a profile creation screen
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18:47.06LennieNightrose, lemme know if you do :)
18:47.12Lenniedberkholz, shiny page :)
18:47.17NightroseLennie: will do
18:47.25globaliistdberkholz: the profile is created for the org.  The issue is adding me as an admin to our organization.  That can not be done because melange says I do not have a profile
18:47.34MatthewWilkesNightrose: Any idea where abouts you'll be moving to yet?
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18:47.51Lennieglobaliist, we'll help you out in a min
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18:47.57NightroseMatthewWilkes: charlottenburg if everything works out
18:48.04Lenniedberkholz, shiny error with a useless Django stacktrace :(
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18:48.38kblincarols: thanks a bunch
18:48.41Lenniedberkholz, that will take us some time to figure out. Could you file an issue?
18:48.44carolskblin: you're welcome.
18:48.47carolswhat did i do? :-)
18:48.57Lennie!bug | dberkholz
18:48.57gsocbotdberkholz: "bug" is file melange feature requests & bugs at http://tinyurl.com/new-issue
18:49.09Lennieglobaliist, which org and pm me your link id :)
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18:49.53kblincarols: gave me the opportunity to have another go at GSoC this year, looking forward to the ride
18:50.17carolskblin: ah, i see. you're welcome. it wasn't just me who decided :-)
18:50.21carolsbut you're welcome anyway
18:50.29kblincarols: speaking of ride, gsocbot has a queue system we can use for the rejected org meeting
18:50.41carolskblin: sweet. that's so awesome and helpful.
18:50.43MatthewWilkesNightrose: I don't think I ever went to Charlottenburg. ;)
18:50.53kblinI'll make sure it's still working and tell a couple of people how to use it
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18:51.04NightroseMatthewWilkes: you should change that then when i move there ;-)
18:51.08MatthewWilkesNightrose: My life was pretty much: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEKibIYLtvY
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18:51.21Nightroseheh
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18:51.40ankitgoelhey everyone...
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18:51.50jannauMatthewWilkes: so you're a native Berliner?
18:51.54srabbelierdberkholz, hey
18:52.02MatthewWilkesjannau: Nope, I just used to live there
18:52.10srabbelierdberkholz, why you be killing our servers? :P
18:52.19jannauthat are the only people I know who don't leave their Bezirk
18:52.23iandeesdberkholz: thanks. i'll check out the book. i think i read it as part of the doc summit last year but will go over it again :)
18:52.51kblinhm...
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18:55.03kblinit's been a while
18:55.19Alok_just me or anyone else a bit nervous too? :P
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18:56.22kblincarols: ok, looks like the code bit-rotted a bit. assuming you win't have that meeting tonight, I'll make sure it's fixed
18:56.29Alok_:)
18:56.45carolskblin: thank you :-) the meeting will probably be late next week some time.
18:56.59sumeetsk3
18:56.59kblinok, I'm confident I'll manage that
18:57.05carolsthanks again.
18:57.26kblinno worries, keeping track of the queue manually did get boring after a while last time :)
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18:57.41carolsespecially considering it was like a 5 hour meeting :-)
18:57.43kblinwhat good is being an engineer if you won't fix things
18:57.54carolshow true.
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18:59.37sumanahhey, can someone remind me what daterange includes the date when mentoring orgs find out how many slots they get?
18:59.40MatthewWilkesjannau: I left mine, but never Charlottenburg.  Never felt the call.
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19:01.07JordiGHHuh, the list is really small!
19:01.16turbolent2011 − 175
19:01.33carolssumanah: april 7 - 20
19:01.34turbolent2012 − 43?!
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19:01.42TaladHi
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19:01.43sumanahgot it, thank you carols
19:01.45turbolent44 actually
19:01.48TaladI see 44 listed
19:01.56Taladbut main page says 175 participaing
19:02.01ankitgoelis organization list out??
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19:02.07Nehilya its ays 175
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19:02.16Taladare only 44 accepted this year?
19:02.17carolsTalad: they need to fill out their profiles.
19:02.19[shrike]I see 45 now
19:02.20SukhEIt only shows the orgs that have updated their profiles.
19:02.23MatthewWilkesThe list will only show orgs that have filled in their profiles
19:02.23carolsnot all orgs have filled out their profiles.
19:02.28[shrike]it's growing :p
19:02.28sercanakpolati believe they haven't made their profiles yet ....
19:02.32MatthewWilkesGive them some more time and they'll appear
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19:02.37sfbhttp://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2012
19:02.41turbolentphew
19:02.43MatthewWilkesYou might want to listen to the final countdown while you hammer refresh
19:03.00schumamlwow, that will certainly confuse lots of people
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19:03.12LennieI wonder what happened to the other list we use to have there
19:03.13umashankar_<PROTECTED>
19:03.13Taladso how do we know if we have been accepted?
19:03.19Lenniewith accepted orgs withtout a profile
19:03.23LennieTalad, you read the blogpost: P
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19:03.30carolsTalad: admins received an email about an hour ago
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19:04.00Taladok, so I guess we are not in
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19:04.14carolsTalad: you would have received either a rejection or acceptance email.
19:04.23Taladok, I got none atm
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19:04.36Lenniecheck your spam folder :P
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19:05.25neXyonhmm, the list is somewhat short, is that a bug or are some missing, or really that few?
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19:06.05ChadWindnagleHellow everyone
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19:06.18kblinneXyon: as every year, orgs need to fill out a profile to show up on the list
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19:06.28ChadWindnagleI am working on submitting my orgs profile
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19:06.43neXyonkblin: ah, k :)
19:06.53ChadWindnagledoes anyone know what we will be needing the address for?
19:06.56heowI only see 44 orgs listed, should it be 175?
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19:06.59neXyonis there somewhere a complete list?
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19:07.06ChadWindnaglePending on what it will be used for I need to place a particlar address
19:07.16turbolenthoped for some more orgs this year
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19:07.30gazookarejected, bummer- will we know how many applicants?
19:07.37carolsgazooka: it will be in the blog post.
19:07.44turbolentlast year had 50 new
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19:07.49turbolentthis year none
19:08.00dberkholzsrabbelier: does a gun kill people, or do people kill people? i'm just the gun.
19:08.18carolsturbolent: what makes you say that?
19:08.25pc_magasfolks in http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2012 I cannot see the orginizations that have applied
19:08.35umashankar_when i saw first its 44 refresh 46 and increasing 49
19:08.37srabbelierdberkholz, can you tell me more about your gun :P
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19:08.43dberkholzthere used to be a separate table for orgs without profiles, but not anymore
19:08.50ShellZero50 no2
19:08.52dberkholzobviously this is the cause of immense confusion
19:08.54ShellZeronow*
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19:09.08srabbelierdberkholz, yep
19:09.10turbolentcarols: 2011: 175, 2012: 175 - no?
19:09.11srabbelierdberkholz, true that
19:09.13nischayn22the list is getting updated again and again
19:09.20dberkholzoh goody, we're on the rotating logos on the homepage now
19:09.21dberkholzgood timing
19:09.24MatthewWilkes!learn missingorgs as The list of participating organisations only shows those that have filled in their organisation profile, so it will slowly reach 175 as that's done. The list is very incomplete at the moment because not all accepted organisations have done that yet. If your org isn't on there you can check if it's been accepted by asking the person who submitted the application.
19:09.25gsocbotMatthewWilkes: "missingorgs" is The list of participating organisations only shows those that have filled in their organisation profile, so it will slowly reach 175 as that's done. The list is very incomplete at the moment because not all accepted organisations have done that yet. If your org isn't on there you can check if it's been accepted by asking the person who submitted the application.
19:09.26srabbelierdberkholz, lucky
19:09.30carolsturbolent: the number of total participating orgs has no bearing on what percentage of those are new.
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19:09.45downey!slots
19:09.45gsocbotdowney: "slots" is (#1) Slot allocation is done manually by Chris DiBona and Carol Smith, be a good org, play nice on the mentor list and #gsoc, ask for a non-crazy-high number of slots, and you'll probably get what you ask. Note that non-crazy-high for new orgs is around 1 or 2., or (#2) http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/NotesonStudentAllocations
19:10.06srabbelier!forget missingorgs
19:10.06gsocbotsrabbelier: The operation succeeded.
19:10.07turbolentcarols: sorry, meant s/new/more/
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19:10.23srabbelier!learn missingorgs as The list of participating organisations only shows those that have filled in their organisation profile, so it will slowly reach 180 as that's done. The list is very incomplete at the moment because not all accepted organisations have done that yet. If your org isn't on there you can check if it's been accepted by asking the person who submitted the application.
19:10.23gsocbotsrabbelier: "missingorgs" is The list of participating organisations only shows those that have filled in their organisation profile, so it will slowly reach 180 as that's done. The list is very incomplete at the moment because not all accepted organisations have done that yet. If your org isn't on there you can check if it's been accepted by asking the person who submitted the application.
19:10.30umashankar_total how many org
19:10.30srabbelierMatthewWilkes, thanks for that
19:10.33downeycarols: is there a date/time set for slot arbitration?
19:10.37MatthewWilkessrabbelier: Hm, pesky facts!
19:10.46downeys/slot/student/
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19:10.59denialsQ: the email address for "questions from new members" - is that where mentor applications go to? Trying to determine who we should subscribe to that alias...
19:11.03downeynever mind, /me rtfm's
19:11.06carolsdowney: as per my email. not yet.
19:11.08srabbelierMatthewWilkes, copy/paste from last year
19:11.18turbolentnow the main page says 180
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19:11.33gajophey guys where's the link of accepted organizations?
19:11.47srabbeliergajop, on the home page yo
19:11.49gajopthere used to be a page that said "This page is inactive until 19:00 16.03" or something
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19:11.53gajopi can't find it any longer :(
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19:12.06StrangerkeHi
19:12.06srabbeliergajop, "see all 180 participating orgs"
19:12.10srabbeliergajop, try that one
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19:12.17gajopnvm :p
19:12.20gajopthanks
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19:12.41StrangerkeI'm certainly not the first to ask that: is there already a full list available somewhere?
19:12.53kblinhey selenamarie
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19:12.57ChadWindnagleList of orgs: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2012
19:12.58jannauStrangerke: will be in the blog post
19:12.58selenamariekblin: hi! :)
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19:13.21StrangerkeChadWindnagle: It's not yet full, and it's slowly updating, that's why I asked :)
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19:13.25umashankar_full list
19:13.31Strangerkejannau: thanks
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19:13.55ChadWindnagleI believe that list won't be full until all the org admins submit their profiles
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19:14.26sfbChadWindnagle: That is correct.
19:14.32gajopah, i see, it's being updated
19:14.39gajopis it done by any order? :p
19:14.47StrangerkeThere's an additional name each minute
19:14.50blacktoothIs Elgg in this time?
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19:14.56ChadWindnagleWe weren't on the list until we submitted the profile. Soon as we did we popped on the list
19:15.01schumamlI wonder if that was a design choice, or was just discovered now ;)
19:15.03carolsgajop: the order that the profiles are submitted in.
19:15.04jannauit's now 180 organizations
19:15.08turbolentso, how many orgs applied?
19:15.17carolsturbolent: that will be in the blog post on our blog.
19:15.24carolspatience :-)
19:15.25turbolentcarols: thanks
19:15.30gajopbut why on earth is it being done like that? :P
19:15.51carolsgajop: you're welcome to discuss design decisions for melange with the team in #melange
19:16.21ChadWindnagle@Carols do you know what the address for the org profile will be used for?
19:16.27carolsChadWindnagle: address?
19:16.30carolswhat do you mean?
19:16.35ChadWindnaglemailing address
19:16.41ChadWindnagleis requested in the profile info fields
19:16.45carolsChadWindnagle: the one you put into the profile?
19:16.48ChadWindnagleAnd we're not sure what we should put
19:16.57carolsthe one you want students to use to contact you.
19:17.00carolswhatever that is.
19:17.01sfbsrabbelier: Melange is handling the big day magnificently.
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19:17.36ChadWindnagleOkay. So we won't be redistributing t-shirts / etc... through that mail address? That's what we're worried about.
19:17.41srabbeliersfb, good to hear that, thanks :)
19:18.10carolsChadWindnagle: no.
19:18.11MatthewWilkesChadWindnagle: I think you're the first person to worry about being sent a load of tshirts
19:18.25ChadWindnagleha!
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19:18.30Strangerkelol :)
19:18.40ChadWindnagleI'm more worried about just making sure I don't put in like, a PO box that no one checks ;)
19:18.41jamesturnbullHi all - we, Puppet Labs, got an acceptance email saying we were in the progam, but we're not listed in the accepted organisations on the GSOC website? Do we need to do anything else?
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19:18.55MatthewWilkesjamesturnbull: Fill in your profile
19:18.56asantonijamesturnbull: fill in your org profile
19:18.59carolsjamesturnbull: fill in your org profile.
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19:19.01ChadWindnagle@jamesturbull in the email you receive you click the link, fill out the profile, and hit submit
19:19.03jamesturnbullah ha
19:19.03selenamarielol
19:19.03MatthewWilkeshehehe
19:19.06jamesturnbull:)
19:19.18jamesturnbullselenamarie: it's not funny - it's not like we're a tech company... oh wait :)
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19:19.24asantonicarols: do we have a press embargo until you guys post some blog announcement?
19:19.26MatthewWilkesasantoni, carols: Nice try, but I won by a few seconds thanks to saving 4 keystrokes!
19:19.46carolsasantoni: we'd appreciate it if you didn't post anything until we do, but it's not that big a deal if you do.
19:19.51carolsour blog post will be live in 40 minutes.
19:19.55asantoniok no prob, we'll hold off :)
19:19.59asantonicool, thanks!
19:20.32asantoniI need some sort of official announcement to link to :)
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19:20.38carolsit'll be there soon
19:20.44asantonino worries
19:20.50carolsi think we all should take a deep breath and have some tea :-)
19:20.53carolsserves some tea
19:21.02jamesturnbullcarols: excellent idea
19:21.04carolshas spent all week working too hard
19:21.05StrangerkeAnd take anti-acid pills too...
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19:21.11asantonisorry, didn't mean to add any more pressure!
19:21.15asantonihas some tea
19:21.16Strangerkebecause my stomach is suffering :P
19:21.31ChadWindnagle@carols you're handling the questioning barrage really well. Good for you!
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19:21.43carolsChadWindnagle: thanks. it's what they pay me to do :-)
19:22.02sumanahI should share this on the mentors' mailing list as well:
19:22.03sumanahhttps://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_2012/management#GSoC_management_philosophy
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19:24.00aleek!next
19:24.01Croftonwill there be a chance for orgs that were not accepted to get feedback?
19:24.02gsocbotaleek: "next" is Mar 26 19:00 UTC - Student Application period opens
19:24.08aghislaserver overload!
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19:24.27o0o0ocarols, this is 4/5 of 500 deduplication attenders
19:24.30carolsCrofton: yes, please stay tuned to the mailing lists for the date and time.
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19:24.44srabbelieraghisla, wait what?
19:24.45dberkholzjamesturnbull: congrats! very excited to see what you guys do this year. if you'd like any advice on admining/mentoring, feel free to get in touch. i've been running gentoo's part of gsoc for a number of years now.
19:24.48srabbelieraghisla, are the servers sad?
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19:24.52Croftonthanks, I am on vacation next week, so I will try and keep up
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19:25.24o0o0odberkholz, cool!
19:25.27aghislano panic, it just took 3 seconds to reload the page on melange :)
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19:26.39kblinjamesturnbull: also, feel free to ask for advice in here
19:27.06kblinjamesturnbull: some of us have been doing gsoc for quite some time :)
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19:27.11jamesturnbulldberkholz: we did two years ago but didn't get our act into gear last year
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19:27.19jamesturnbulldberkholz: kblin and thanks!
19:27.43dberkholzkblin: you're just a young punk
19:28.16sfbhahah
19:28.16agliodbsah, we got bumped this year
19:28.27dberkholzjamesturnbull: there's actually a mailing list for that kind of thing too, called gsoc-veterans. it'll probably get mentioned in the next few weeks
19:28.28agliodbsunsurprising, this was probably our weakest application
19:28.28sfbdberkholz: Hey, I heard we have a research arrangement with you guys.
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19:28.52dberkholzsfb: who is "we" and "you guys"? i do a number of things =)
19:29.03kblinahrg
19:29.04sfbdberkholz: hahah sorry. Childrens and Mayo.
19:29.19jamesturnbulldberkholz: cool - it's mostly be Mike Stanhke of Fedora/EPEL fame running our end
19:29.23kblinlooks like melange didn't like me either
19:29.26dberkholzsfb: ahh, cool. that's actually one thing i stopped doing. now working as an industry analyst at redmonk
19:29.36kblinoh well
19:29.39sfbdberkholz: Very cool. I like Redmonk.
19:30.02ChadWindnagleWell - congrats to all who were approved! I look forward to working with you all. Cheers!
19:30.05kblinjust got a "sudo make dinner" from $SIGNIFICANT_OTHER, bbl
19:30.06denialsagliodbs: dang. we rely heavily on postgresql
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19:30.31agliodbsdenials: this doesn't exactly affect our development
19:30.39copumpkinis the list of accepted organizations complete?
19:30.46sumanahno
19:30.47agliodbsdenials: our participation in GSOC is pretty much to train students in hacking databases
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19:30.56copumpkinso more orgs will be appearing there? it seems awfully short htis year
19:30.58copumpkin*this
19:31.06MatthewWilkes!missingorgs | copumpkin
19:31.06gsocbotcopumpkin: "missingorgs" is The list of participating organisations only shows those that have filled in their organisation profile, so it will slowly reach 180 as that's done. The list is very incomplete at the moment because not all accepted organisations have done that yet. If your org isn't on there you can check if it's been accepted by asking the person who submitted the application.
19:31.12andralexHi everyone, I noticed that I need to fill again a lot of the fields I filled during the application. Is that the case, or am I doing something wrong? Thanks!
19:31.21sumanahandralex: I also needed to do that.
19:31.28sumanahandralex: looks like it isn't prefilled from the org application.
19:31.35dfighterspam
19:31.37copumpkinMatthewWilkes: ah, thanks
19:31.39denialsagliodbs: we have a project or two that would benefit from a student capable of hacking a database (at least at optimization & porting plperl to c functions and the like)
19:31.43volodymyr!missingorgs
19:31.43gsocbotvolodymyr: "missingorgs" is The list of participating organisations only shows those that have filled in their organisation profile, so it will slowly reach 180 as that's done. The list is very incomplete at the moment because not all accepted organisations have done that yet. If your org isn't on there you can check if it's been accepted by asking the person who submitted the application.
19:31.46andralexsumanah: thanks!
19:31.51agliodbsoh!
19:31.58agliodbsnever mind, my email is just lagged
19:32.00agliodbswe got accepted
19:32.04dberkholzlol
19:32.06kblinhehe
19:32.07sumanahcongrats agliodbs
19:32.09denialsagliodbs++
19:32.09agliodbsdarn, I thought I was off the hook for the year
19:32.11dberkholzthere are emails for both acceptance and rejection
19:32.16dberkholzit's not a "silent means no" thing
19:32.17selenamarieYAY
19:32.19copumpkinMatthewWilkes: is there a quick way to check on a particular organization without contacting the submitter?
19:32.19agliodbsoh, well, back to the email-mines
19:32.24selenamariefor acception :)
19:32.29selenamarieagliodbs: thanks for checking
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19:32.42dberkholzselenamarie: stop inventing words. you're killing me here, it's like reading about "learnings"
19:32.45dberkholz=P
19:32.51jannaucopumpkin: there will be a blog post in 30 minutes
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19:33.00copumpkinthat will contain the full list?
19:33.06selenamariedberkholz: lolling
19:33.10n4nd0jannau: where will that blog be?
19:33.20carolsn4nd0: google-opensource.blogspot.com
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19:33.33n4nd0carols: thanks
19:33.35rodwebhow to make a mention here? :)
19:33.36carolsyw
19:33.48kblindberkholz: right, what was it with the milli-learnings I get exposed to?
19:33.56sumanahhi selenamarie
19:34.53rodwebhow can I mention smbd here?
19:34.58dberkholzselenamarie: oh btw, i did actually get bradford to make me that drink you suggested
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19:35.17kblinrodweb: smbd? isn't #samba more on topic for that?
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19:35.37kblinrodweb: oh, you mean somebody...
19:35.49selenamariedberkholz: what did you think? :)
19:35.51selenamariesumanah: hi!!
19:36.00kblinusually you just type their name followed by colons and the message
19:36.06selenamariesumanah: i'm going over to WMF this afternoon, i believe.
19:36.15*** topic/#gsoc by srabbelier -> http://www.google-melange.com Google Summer of Code 2012 has started! Accepted organizations have been announced. You can check out the timeline: http://goo.gl/FQb2b and the FAQs: http://goo.gl/Lh4R8 for more information.
19:36.50kblinsrabbelier: any idea what's up with melange wrt the error 500 pages?
19:36.54dberkholzselenamarie: 'twas pretty good. avoided too much alcohol taste without being a tropical slushie
19:37.00kblinsrabbelier: just all the students hitting F5?
19:37.04sumanahselenamarie: wish I were going to be there! I will be at home in NYC.  Just posted https://blog.wikimedia.org/2012/03/16/project-ideas-students-and-mentors-wanted-gsoc-2012/
19:37.27selenamariedberkholz: that is the secret of most good drinking
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19:37.35aried3rflies over the last few lines
19:37.36frewsxcvhow many organizations are accepted for 2012?
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19:37.43aried3rPress F5 500 times? CONSIDER IT DONE
19:37.47carolsfrewsxcv: 180
19:37.59sumanahso you did "a complete 180" (sorry I had to say it)
19:38.03frewsxcvah
19:38.07srabbelierkblin, has bene fixed yo
19:38.09frewsxcvkeeps pressing F5
19:38.12srabbelierkblin, was a weird data bug
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19:38.20Croftonhow many applied?
19:38.36carolsCrofton: it'll be in the blog post.
19:38.42carolspatience
19:38.46carolsserves some more tea
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19:39.48Croftonsorry, I'll be on an airplane when the post goes up :)
19:40.03Croftonthanks for everything, and bye for now
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19:40.10carolsCrofton: it'll still be there when you get back :-)
19:40.13sumanahpallav: you mean /join
19:40.14sumanah:)
19:40.21pallavOops!
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19:41.32LetterRiphi all - what is the location of the page to invite mentors?  I can't seem to find it right now
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19:42.15meflinmy dashboard-> my orgs, choose org , links on that page
19:42.27LetterRipty
19:42.37meflintook me quite a while to find it :D
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19:44.42carolsserves some cookies
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19:44.48carolseats some cookies
19:44.51carolsi can use them.
19:44.53schumamllearns that there is an age restriction for mentor organization by reading the ToS
19:45.00carolsit's been a long week.
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19:45.19harlanI hope your week improves, carols
19:45.25meflintosses carols some chocolate
19:45.27carolsthanks harlan.
19:45.32carolsthanks meflin
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19:47.29selenamariewaves to carols
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19:47.44carolshi selenamarie. i was just thinking of you the other day
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19:48.07selenamarie:)
19:48.13carols:-)
19:48.24selenamariei think some folks are going for a drink near WMF after work today
19:48.34dberkholzanyone gonna be out at eclipsecon in a couple weeks?
19:49.14dberkholzi'm giving my favorite talk there
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19:49.54dberkholzhttp://www.eclipsecon.org/2012/sessions/assholes-are-killing-your-project
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19:50.16rodweboh
19:50.33rodwebhow to mention somebody here T_T
19:50.50dfighterdberkholz /me hides
19:50.55dberkholz19:36 <     kblin@> usually you just type their name followed by colons and the  message
19:51.03dfighteraltough I consider myself more a d1ck than an a-hole
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19:51.34rodwebdberkholz just type?
19:51.39carolshey, could we maybe keep the language to a minimum?
19:52.04carolsthis is a family-friendly channel :-)
19:52.10Kid4vYAY!
19:52.25ThomasWaldmannyay
19:52.30dberkholzsorry, i'll use bitly for the link next time to obfuscate the url =p
19:52.33dfightersure carols, soz, I was just reacting to some visual stimulus, induced by dberkholz link
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19:52.43ThomasWaldmanngreetings to everybody
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19:53.14Kid4vGreetings!
19:53.28carolshi Kid4v
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19:53.32rodweblearned how to do mentions
19:53.34rodweb:D
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19:53.53pokoko222I see students applications begin 26 march, until then you need to talk to orgs
19:54.05pokoko222but cant you also talk to orgs from 26 march to 6 april
19:54.10carolspokoko222: yes.
19:54.14o0o0oKid4v, yey man
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19:54.33Kid4vyay?
19:54.36pokoko222carols so basically we can talk to orgs to 6 april, beginning now
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19:54.40Kid4vor I can say other things
19:54.47carolspokoko222: yes. please go talk to them :-) they'd love to hear from you.
19:54.51carolsnow's the time
19:54.54carolsdon't wait any longer
19:54.58downeywe are waiting for you :)
19:55.07pokoko222I am waiting for the list to complete :)
19:55.09arg3tlamHey Carols, just a doubt.
19:55.12Kid4vSo your giving us premisson to go troll IRCs?
19:55.13pokoko222it is still loading new orgs
19:55.16carolsarg3tlam: yes?
19:55.23arg3tlamProject ideas which the orgs themselves list, most of them have mentioned the mentors as well
19:55.29downeyKid4v: too much trolling usually gives you negative marks :)
19:55.31Kid4vhehe
19:55.38meflinis hanging out on irc haven got the day of waiting for students to flood me :)
19:55.38downeyKid4v: unless it's very unique or skillful
19:55.46arg3tlamBut suppose we come up with our own project idea
19:56.01arg3tlamDo we have to request and find someone to mentor us
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19:56.05pokoko222in general, all students that are accepted had previous experience on the projects? or on average most of the students are first-timers?
19:56.14Kid4vdowney: It's an art.
19:56.16o0o0oSage is in!!! yey!
19:56.18arg3tlamor will that be taken care of implicitly when we send in our application ?
19:56.25carolsarg3tlam: you need an organization to mentor you. so i would recommend you reverse your approach and find an org you'd like to work with and see what projects they'd like you to work on.
19:56.28downeypokoko222: most of our students are new
19:56.43pokoko222downey nice, your org is ?
19:56.56avilerthat´s the point right? to bring new developers to the projects
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19:57.05pokoko222awesome
19:57.17arg3tlamyes Carols, I got that bit, but for a project idea that we suggest for woreking under a particular org
19:57.25downeypokoko222: openmrs … i imagine most orgs have mostly new-comers as well
19:57.28arg3tlamIs it our responsibility to find a willing mentor ?
19:57.29carolsarg3tlam: have you read the student manual?
19:57.40pokoko222well yes but I was thinking since it is hard to get into some code, especially not documented one... so you would expect only people that have been around on the project for a while to take the places
19:57.57carolsarg3tlam: http://www.booki.cc/gsocstudentguide/choosing-an-organization/
19:57.59arg3tlamI did. I'm sorry if I missed something obvious there. I'll give it another read ASAP
19:58.10LetterRiparg3tlam: orgs nominate their own mentors; then pick the student applications; then assign a mentor to the student application
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19:59.02wwahammyhey all, I intend on being a mentor for the Outercurve Foundation (http://www.outercurve.org/Overview/SummerofCode) for the CoApp project. Am I supposed to register as a mentor now?
19:59.11carolswwahammy: yes
19:59.13sfbwwahammy: You may.
19:59.20o0o0ocarols, i took a look at the selected institutions. Found no Ardour, audacity, Jack, Kdenives, etc
19:59.22ShellZeroAlexP: did wikipathways or pathvisio got selected?
19:59.27LetterRiparg3tlam: it wouldn't hurt to try and locate a mentor from an org who wants to mentor you so that they are an advocate for you
19:59.28carolso0o0o: ok...
19:59.46LetterRipo0o0o: not all orgs have filled out their applications
19:59.50o0o0ocarols, is audiovisual tools maybe underrepresented in GSoC applications?
19:59.51carolsi'm quite familiar with the list, since i've spent the last 5 days doing basically that..
19:59.58LetterRipwe have only known for about an hour and a half at most
20:00.02LetterRipo0o0o: wait a few days
20:00.03meflinas I recall mentor sine up isn't on the time line
20:00.07LetterRiper not applications but org descriptions
20:00.11pokoko222downey what do you look for in a student? previous experience on your projects, and if he does not have that would personal projects be ok?
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20:00.24llanfordarg3tlam,  do you know what you're looking for in a project?
20:00.28LetterRipo0o0o: have a look at 2012 gsoc
20:00.39LetterRiper 2011 gsoc and that should give you a better idea
20:00.44arg3tlamYes, I have the crux of the idea
20:00.51o0o0oLetterRip, thanks
20:00.53arg3tlamand also the org I desire to work under
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20:01.14wwahammyit says I have to agree to the "Google Summer of Code 2012 Mentor Organization Participant Agreement"  which discusses the mentor organization... I can't agree to something for the organization so I'm confused about that.
20:01.26arg3tlambut only the project ideas suggested by the org have the assigned mentor names under it
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20:01.35downeypokoko222: i feel like most orgs try to use gsoc as a way to get more people involved with the project, so they try to structure things so it's easier for people without much experience working with the code. most orgs will list what they look for in new students on their profile page, or their gsoc ideas page.
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20:01.39arg3tlamSo I was a little hazy on that
20:01.41llanfordwwahammy, I believe that is only if you're acting as the organization mentor.
20:02.05pokoko222downey do you require the student to code something before application deadline?
20:02.12jannauhttp://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2012/03/mentoring-organizations-for-google.html
20:02.22wwahammyllanford: so in that case, I shouldn't register as a mentor from the outercurve GSoC page?
20:02.38pokoko222downey I mean let's say the project is big and it takes some time to get into it, do you allow for that time? or you expect the student to code something for you before deadline?
20:02.42downeypokoko222: no, but it's suggested that they try to do a small patch for a simple bug first. we keep a list of those for students to try.
20:02.58llanfordwwahammy, I registered as an independent mentor, then was accepted by my organization after sign up
20:03.03LetterRipwwahammy: the organization does the agreement, you can agree on your own behalf
20:03.29downeypokoko222: there are some exceptions, but most of our students have at least attempted to do something simple like that before the application period closes
20:03.31LetterRipif you read a bit more closely it is actually two different agreements depending on whether you can represent the organization or not
20:03.34wwahammyalright, thanks for the help everyone. I'm excited to be involved :)
20:03.48llanfordIt IS exciting!
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20:03.59sumeetskcarols: do you know if R has been selected? It doesn't figure in the list so far
20:04.09carolssumeetsk: you should ask them.
20:04.15carolsit's not really my place to announce for them.
20:04.25pokoko222downey I see, thank you for the information... we may contact soon on your org irc :) I will have to think about which orgs to try... waiting for the complete list to come out
20:04.34sumeetskcarols: ok, thanks.
20:04.37carolsyw
20:04.38LetterRippokoko222: most students that get accepted will have done a small patch against their orgs software before the acceptance deadline - to demonstrate they have the basic skills required to participate
20:05.32SukhEIt's important to point out that this does not hold true always, though this seems to be the norm with many orgs.
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20:05.49LetterRipSukhE: hence the word most :)
20:05.51SukhE(and yes, it's a good idea to do this IMO)
20:05.54meflindepends alot on the org
20:05.58schumamlwe require patches to make sure that the students have a build environment up and running
20:05.59agliodbsselenamarie: this is a loooooooooong form
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20:06.28pokoko222LetterRipit takes some time to learn the code, how many orgs do you advise I choose? I can't learn the code for more than 2 or 3 projects in this ammount of time
20:06.37pokoko222even that is too much, maybe I should just pick one
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20:06.50SukhELetterRip: Yeah :)
20:07.00kai_andycarols: looks like queueing is working now
20:07.05carolskai_andy: awesome.
20:07.09carolsthanks for figuring that out.
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20:07.20denialsseconds the "small patch" acceptance criteria
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20:07.59carolsneeds to go eat some lunch since she hasn't eaten today
20:08.06carolsill be back online later if anyone needs me
20:08.08LetterRippokoko222: the most orgs I've known a student to apply for is 3.  Probably 2 is a good number, depends on how much time you have, etc.  Personally I'd do one really good proposal and do enough patches etc. to make clear to the org that i was a serious contender.
20:08.08kai_andycarols: apparently i just had to load the plugin :-)
20:08.15carolshope you're all having a good friday.
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20:08.25SEDrewwhy couldn't this have started next week? :p this is a week of hell at school and its going to be hard to "contribute" to any community for a little while <Goes back to studying for calculus midterm tomorrow morning(yes, saturday morning)>
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20:08.38LetterRipSEDrew: you don't have to do it this week
20:08.48meflinlast year wasn't to early ;D
20:08.48LetterRipthere is plenty of time
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20:08.55pokoko222LetterRipI think same too, just put everything on one org
20:09.09ShellZerois the blog up?
20:09.14LetterRippokoko222: probably two orgs is fine - but really focus on the one
20:09.23LetterRipto make sure you are competitive
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20:09.34pokoko222LetterRip: ok tnx for the conversation ;)
20:09.40meflinI have seen 1 student do 2 sucessfull apps ( just once )
20:09.48schumamland tll both orgs who is your favorite
20:09.58schumaml*tell
20:10.01LetterRipwe have had three or four students who have been accepted at multiple orgs
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20:10.28LetterRipand we have students who have done multiple proposals to our org - where multiple of their applications were top reviewed
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20:10.47meflinthat is a lucky problem to have :)
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20:11.04ThomasWaldmannLetterRip: new people or already known people?
20:11.05LetterRipie one students proposals was ranked 1st and 4th
20:11.17LetterRipThomasWaldmann: new people and known people
20:11.59ThomasWaldmanngreat
20:12.20ThomasWaldmanndid it work out as expected?
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20:13.31StrangerkeHa nice, ScummVM is one of the accepted organizations
20:13.38StrangerkeThanks Google! :D
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20:13.41pokoko222is it fine to write patches until 6 of april? or you can only code until 26 march?
20:13.55pokoko222I mean is 6 april like the ultimate deadline that you can talk to orgs and send them code and stuff?
20:13.57iandeesok i can't find it in my scrollback... what was the solution for backup admin not having a profile and not being able to create one?
20:13.59LetterRipyou can code patches till the very end
20:14.08LetterRipeven beyond the deadline probably
20:14.14OphiuchiI assume the Melange bug about the second (and possibly later) mentor request is already known?
20:14.24SukhEpokoko222: Some orgs even have the mentors help you with the patch.
20:14.37pokoko222SukhE: that would be lucky situation
20:15.54kai_andystrangerke: congrats :-)
20:16.04SukhEpokoko222: If I had a student who could work on the patch with a little help but get the job done, sure why not.
20:16.12mefliniandees: I haven't seen that discuses today , my backup is "valid" but doesn't have 2012 .. I sent an email to create
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20:16.46iandeesi'm the backup and the admin can't invite me because i don't have a profile
20:16.57iandeesbut i don't know how to create one
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20:17.14asdrewhello all accepted org is on the google site ? or need more to update.
20:17.15Ophiuchiiandees: have you tried registering as mentor for your org?
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20:17.32agliodbswhat does an "IRC URL" look like?
20:17.48denialsOphiuchi: yeah, just ran into the same bug I think - all requests get the same link_id when you click on them, even though they're from different people?
20:17.48iandeesirc://irc.example.com/channel
20:17.53agliodbsthanks
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20:17.56asdrewCan someone tell if all organizations are on the site ?
20:17.57agliodbshey, Ian!
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20:18.03awatermaHow can an organization find out what they need to improve upon to be accepted next year?
20:18.05meflinirc://irc.freenode.net/#Channelname
20:18.06sfbasdrew: No.
20:18.08agliodbsasdrew: they are not
20:18.12llanfordiandees, you have an organization mentor already, but can't join as an individual mentor?
20:18.19sfbawaterma: Carol will have a meeting to talk to rejected orgs.
20:18.19Ophiuchidenials. fix the link id in the URL and it works
20:18.23pokoko222asdrew not all yet
20:18.49agliodbswhere do I file Melange bugs again?  Ive forgotten
20:18.51asdrewok thank you
20:18.53denialsOphiuchi: yep, that's what I did :)
20:18.59iandeesllanford: i don't know about mentors... i'm trying to be a backup admin
20:19.12ojwbagliodbs: checked the topic of #melange?
20:19.16llanfordiandees, not sure how to help you there then.  Sorry -- good luck!
20:19.51sfbagliodbs: http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/list I think
20:19.52awatermaSo we should get an invitation to the "rejected" party via email, most likely?
20:19.52agliodbsojwb: that doesn't tell me where to file bugs
20:20.04mefliniandees: mentors can be promoted to admin
20:20.12meflinor they could be last year
20:20.49LetterRip!bugs | agliodbs
20:20.49gsocbotagliodbs: "bugs" is http://tinyurl.com/new-issue
20:20.57ojwbagliodbs: oh, I thought it used to
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20:21.10selenamariewaves to ojwb
20:21.14ojwbhi selenamarie
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20:22.44kai_andyawaterma: also keep an eye on the announce list
20:22.52agliodbsfiling bug
20:23.12iandeesthanks guys... looks like i did need to join as mentor before he could invite me to co-admin
20:23.16praveen97uma_@agliodbs: http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/entry
20:23.26llanfordiandees, glad you got it worked out!
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20:23.53agliodbsyes, thanks.  issue has been filed
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20:24.32mefliniandees: good to know since I am going to need to answer that quetsion soon :D
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20:25.54iandeesdo we get to see # of slots anywhere?
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20:26.07agliodbsiandees: no
20:26.16JoolesEvening all
20:26.18iandeesperhaps i'm not remembering the order of events from last year :)
20:26.21agliodbsiandees: slots are not allocated until the applicaiton period begins
20:26.30agliodbsand then they aren't real until the end of applications
20:26.35iandeesk
20:26.41agliodbsiandees: what project are you doing?
20:26.44meflinyou get so see what you are begging and whining for .. not how many you have
20:27.41jehhi all
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20:28.10iandeesagliodbs: OpenStreetMap
20:28.20jehis this the final list of accepted orgs or more will be added???
20:28.48meflinthe count is final the list depends on when the org fills out there profile
20:28.51agliodbsiandees: oh, cool!
20:29.16agliodbsiandees: btw, if you end up having someone who needs to hack PostGIS to do what you want, feel free to assign them to us
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20:29.34jehmeflin: u mean the list may still change????
20:29.47ojwbjeh: yes, it WILL increase
20:29.56iandeesagliodbs: are you in postgres?
20:30.05meflinall accepted orgs have been accepted , when they show up depends on them
20:30.21ojwbthere's a rather dumb system where the org fills in all this info on the application, and then if accepted has to refill the same info into another form to show up on that list
20:30.24jehok..got u
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20:30.39ojwbi guess it's to reward orgs with active admins who are in the right timezone
20:30.42tomprince!missingorgs
20:30.42gsocbottomprince: "missingorgs" is The list of participating organisations only shows those that have filled in their organisation profile, so it will slowly reach 180 as that's done. The list is very incomplete at the moment because not all accepted organisations have done that yet. If your org isn't on there you can check if it's been accepted by asking the person who submitted the application.
20:30.46agliodbs<<-- Josh Berkus
20:30.52meflinojwb: and an import last years to edit would be so so so nice :D
20:30.57SamSchumerIS there a way to see a list of all the accepted .orgs now?
20:31.06ojwbwell, it's practically all on the application form
20:31.12agliodbsSamSchumer: not yet!
20:31.16ojwbSamSchumer: I don't know of one
20:31.28ojwbif you have particular ones in mind, ask them
20:31.28pokoko222SamSchumer patience mortal :)
20:31.34ojwband tell them to fill in the org profile
20:31.40agliodbsgods, why are so many people jumping the gun this year?
20:31.40ojwblink is in the acceptance email
20:31.52ojwbdoesn't seem to be accessible via melange
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20:32.07ojwbi mean it's in melange, but not obviously linked to
20:32.08llanfordI'm thrilled to see people being so excited to get started!
20:32.13meflinagliodbs: I wasn't on chan last year but it seems natural to me
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20:32.27agliodbsiandees: I
20:32.37agliodbsiandees: I'm Josh Berkus
20:32.40SamSchumerojwb: Not any i paticular. just wondering espically beacuse I was confused as to why the list on the sight as of now seemed far below 180 .orgs
20:32.57OphiuchiFWIW, the requests list issue is bug 1465
20:33.45iandeesagliodbs: ah ok! very cool. i certainly could use some pgsql help with some code i'm writing. I should have applied as a student for your org :)
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20:34.15yxueis melange the only python | google app engine project this year?
20:34.25agliodbsheh, you can't be a student *and* a mentor
20:34.33agliodbsiandees: you know about #postgresql, yes?
20:34.39agliodbsfolks are very helpful there
20:34.49iandeesyep, i just need to get my thoughts together to ask a proper/useful question
20:35.07Ophiuchiagliodbs: at least it would be a pretty bad idea, time machines excepted :-P
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20:35.17agliodbsiandees: just tell folks you're from OSM.  they'll cut you some slack ;-)
20:35.20meflincant irc survive a proper/usefull question?
20:35.21iandeesyou also have to be a student ... to be a student
20:35.26meflins/cant/can/
20:36.40Ophiuchimeflin: heh. can the asker survive an answer to a unclear or meta question? :)
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20:37.29iandeesagliodbs: my question involves this chunk of code. i don't want to ask people using this as an example: https://github.com/iandees/xapi-servlet/blob/master/src/main/java/com/yellowbkpk/geo/xapi/db/PostgreSqlDatasetContext.java#L593
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20:43.26llanfordSukhE, was it you who mentioned orgs that are willing to mentor through a prerequisite patch (for the application)?
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20:51.18aghislacookies!
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20:52.03aghislahere you are :)
20:54.22ojwbnews travels fast - the list was only announced a couple of hours ago, and someone just knocked on the door and asked if i'd heard the good news
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21:00.36iandeesagliodbs sorry i closed the wrong irssi window and looks like it didn't keep any scrollback. i'll definitely talk to #postgres
21:01.36Ophiuchimeflin: what's your project, if I may ask?
21:01.43meflinkernel.org
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21:03.37platzhirschso great to see the accepted organisations
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21:05.01gsocbotmmadia: "numstats" is There are 9 statistics in !numapps.
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21:05.19gsocbotmmadia: "numapps" is 417 mentoring orgs applied and 175 were accepted in 2011; 5474 proposals were submitted by 3731 students, and 1116 were accepted. In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and 151 were accepted; 5539 proposals were submitted by 3464 students, and 1026 were accepted.
21:05.57agliodbsiandees: that's pretty clunky, yes
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21:06.37agliodbsiandees: why are you using a temp table at all?
21:09.22kblinhehe
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21:13.16iandeesagliodbs: we're building up a representation of an OSM document in the temp tables and then reading them out into our XML format
21:13.41iandeesthere are a couple steps to that process... so rather than doing it in memory we use temp tables
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21:15.14agliodbsiandees: let's take this to #postgresql
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21:16.06abhinemanihey is anyone else having trouble "creating" their org
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21:19.17nessupAny one else notice the MIT media lab project has a broken link?
21:20.58allmanyes - Hal is working on fixing the broken MIT link.
21:21.23edsiperdo i need to apply to become part of the Mentors List or is this done automagically ?
21:21.58BBB-workedsiper, in the list of organizations, click your organization
21:22.13BBB-workedsiper, then you'll be able to click the "click here to apply to be a mentor" button
21:22.21BBB-workthen the list is automatic
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21:23.25edsiperBBB-work, You are already an administrator for this organization
21:23.44BBB-workthen it should be automatic :)
21:23.48FerniciaHi everyone. Super intimidated newbie here. :P
21:24.02edsiperthanks BBB-work :)
21:24.12edsiperFernicia, don't be
21:24.14BBB-worknp
21:24.38Ferniciaedsiper: Thanks! Are you a student?
21:25.31edsiperFernicia, nop, mentor
21:26.33gchaixFernicia: like edsiper said, no need to be intimidated. We're all friends here
21:26.38Ferniciaedsiper: Oh cool. Which organisation if you mind me asking?
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21:27.17edsiperFernicia, Monkey HTTP Daemon
21:27.20SamSchumerI love making friends, I'm not too good at it though.
21:27.26edsipergchaix, that's correct :)
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21:28.08Alok_nessup: just remove the extra slash at the end from the link given on their page.
21:28.12edsiperi need to confirm something, do exists any rule for the number of slots assigned to any new organization ?
21:28.35gchaixSamSchumer: hehe. We're geeks, all right.  For a lot of us (me included) talking to silicon-based entities is much easier than carbon-based ones :-)
21:29.03SamSchumergchiax: Carbon is SO overated.
21:29.10agliodbsok, that's NOT at all helpful
21:29.13agliodbsPlease file this issue with Django, they do the field validation.
21:29.20agliodbsfrom the Melange team
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21:29.45SamSchumerWow, twitter is open source? You learn new things every day...
21:30.09FerniciaIs it?
21:30.33FerniciaThat's pretty cool. Reddit released their source code too recently didn't they?
21:31.00gchaixedsiper: I don't think so.  In past years it was based somewhat on the number of student applicants the org gets, how many the org asks for, and how many are available.  In my experience it's not a hard and fast rule, and I don't know how being a new org affects the number of slots
21:31.16denialsedsiper: new orgs typically get a couple of slots, from what I recall being said last year
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21:32.28carolsis back
21:32.47SamSchumerIs it better to apply to multiple projects from the same org or spread the apps out over different orgs?
21:32.52SamSchumer^in general
21:33.34carolsSamSchumer: it's better to have one really good proposal for the org you most want to work with.
21:33.36JoolesHey Fernicia. I'm a student too :). Nervous, but busy looking through the org list and starting to try and hop into IRC channels of interesting looking projects :)
21:33.41OphiuchiSamSchumer: it's best to look for projects that really excite you, and that you want to do
21:34.44Triskelioscarols: how early should we be specifying the desired slots? I assume it doesn't matter until we start scoring proposals?
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21:34.59carolsTriskelios: yes, you'll get an email detailing all of it.
21:34.59SamSchumerOkay! I'm looking a few that seem cool, It's proabably going to come down to the amount of time I have over the next few weeks.
21:35.03carolsfor now just talk to students
21:35.29FerniciaJooles: Where are you studying? UCC (Irish Uni) student here.
21:35.57JoolesFernicia, Computer Science at the UEA (Norwich)
21:36.04Triskelioscarols: okay, thanks!
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21:36.44edsiperthanks gchaix denials for the info, i got a comment from a student that a rule exists for that and is two slots, but i just wanted to confirm that info..
21:37.10JoolesFernicia, How about you?
21:37.14SamSchumerFernicia, Jooles; how much comp sci background do you guys have, I'm trying to get up to speed with the rest of the comunity, I started a semester late and I'm only a freshman, I'm trying to find projects that both interest me and are with in my coding ability
21:37.16gchaixI don't think there is a hard and fast rule.
21:37.31FerniciaJooles: Yeah studying CS too. Finishing up second year at the mo. Do you know many programming languages? I'm most familiar with Java which is annoying because it seems most of the open source stuff is C++
21:37.50JoolesSamSchumer: Dude I really wouldn't worry. Uni teaches you nothing except how to learn
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21:38.32AmougWhy is the list of accepted projects takes so much to be revealed...
21:38.44Amoug115 out of 180 yet...
21:38.50SamSchumerFernicia: im running into that problem too, that is why im tyring to do javascript and python on the side, at least for the lower level projects
21:39.02JoolesSamSchumer, I'm a 3rd year (2nd time around) so I've effectively had 3.5 years of uni tuition and still I'm likely to only meet like 50% of the requirements for most projects. It's about knowing how to figure out what you don't know and how to expand on similar skills
21:39.05gchaixAmoug: the orgs are still filling out their profiles.  They only appear in the list after the profile is completed
21:39.16gchaixs/they/we/ :-)
21:39.28FerniciaSamSchumer: I don't really know tbh. I subscribe to a few programming communities online and it seems every article there is news to me, so I guess I don't know a lot. :P
21:39.40Amougah ok, where could we see the list of accepted projects ?
21:40.05gchaixAmoug: just wait a little while longer and the rest of the projects will have their profiles up :-)
21:40.13Amouglooking for a specific organization
21:40.18SamSchumerFernicia: same =/ I at least have a brother who has done a lot of coding to help
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21:40.19Amougowasp
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21:40.31edsiperAmoug, http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2012
21:40.36Amougopen web application security project
21:40.57OphiuchiFernicia: don't underestimate specialization effects
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21:41.17Amougedsiper, not all of the orgs (180) have filled up their profiles ;)
21:41.44FerniciaSamSchumer: That's handy! I know a good bit of php too. Might look into something along those lines. I remember I made the bones of a bulletin board last summer and I had a LOAD of ideas to improve phpMyAdmin. Too bad I can't remember any of them...
21:42.13FerniciaOphiuchi: What do you mean?
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21:42.48SamSchumerFernicia: Php is the next on my list if I mannage to find the time, still gotta stay in school you know ;P
21:43.27JoolesFernicia, I know a lot of languages, but the main thing is knowing how to program. Java is used as a teaching language because it forces you to use a reasonable object oriented approach
21:43.30FerniciaOphiuchi: I'm be sort of apprehensive about learning a new language in gsoc. Not because I don't want to, but I fear I'd be wasting my mentor's time with stuff I should already know.
21:43.36OphiuchiFernicia: people typically don't discuss foundational stuff, they discuss new and very specific stuff. Unless you happen to be doing research into that very direction, never having heard of it before is normal
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21:43.56FerniciaOh right!]
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21:45.00Ophiuchithrows holy water on everybody mentioning php
21:45.04FerniciaSamSchumer: PHP is really fun imo. Paired with a tiny bit of SQL and a bit of html/css, you can recreate nearly any popular site on the web
21:45.12FerniciaOphiuchi: Not a fan?
21:45.13Catfish_ManWe found with Adium that accepting students that didn't know at least some Objective-C generally didn't turn out well
21:45.18Ophiuchioh oops, now I have to shower myself :-}
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21:45.53JoolesFernicia: If you want to start learning it, go for it. If you're thinking of applying to a project that'll use C++ just chat with the devs first and ask if that's likely to hold you back or not. From what I gather, the key is being honest about your skills
21:46.08SamSchumerFernicia: I tend to look at the source codes for sights for fun, but I should take time formally learn it
21:46.08JoolesOphiuchi, PHP PHP PHP!
21:46.27OphiuchiSamSchumer: it's sites, not sights, btw
21:46.49FerniciaJooles: yeah asking the developer would definitely be the smartest move. Good advice
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21:53.25Amougphp is ugly... it should be thrown in fire :s
21:53.34SamSchumeractualy more like homophones
21:54.13JoolesAw, but PHP has magic methods... *MAGIC*
21:54.17denialsPoor PHP. It can be beautiful. Depends on who is writing it.
21:54.34arg3tlamJust noticed. The MIT Media Lab link is up and running.
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21:57.14john_123hello
21:57.35JoolesHello :)
21:58.11john_123I have a been reading the FAQ but I don't have much clear how the payment thing works for non-US students and I was wondering if somebody could bring some light to it
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22:00.24john_123So, the thing is that I am a graduate student, and my grant forbids me from getting money from anywhere else. Could the government figure it out that I am getting money from gsoc if that were the case?
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22:01.07Ata-SI think money should be thougth on background. If a student joins into the GSOC it should be for experience, otherwise he/she can make more money by getting into a summer job :)
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22:01.42Catfish_ManAta-S: while that's true, getting in terrible with the law because of the money would be bad
22:01.52Catfish_Manjohn_123: I assume it would need to be reported on taxes, so I don't see why they couldn't
22:01.53Ophiuchijohn_123: assume that it could be googled
22:02.16john_123I am not afraid of being googled
22:02.18Joolesjohn_123, Which country are you?
22:03.09john_123because people working for the government doesnt google but if I have to report the taxes it might be easy for them to see that there is something wrong if I am not suppose to get money from anywhere else
22:03.10john_123Spain
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22:04.04meflinit doesn't mater if it can be googled
22:04.21JoolesTax evasion = bad
22:04.25SamSchumerJohn_123: I believe the list of participants is published. Or at least last years was.
22:04.45SamSchumerJooles: depends where you are.
22:05.05Amougwait
22:05.14Amougthat gsoc money is taxable ?
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22:05.34Amougdoesn't google just send a credit card ?
22:05.38meflindepends on local
22:05.49meflinwhere I live it is
22:05.58marcjHas everyone received the acceptance/rejection email? I didn't get one yet.
22:06.05Joolesmeflin, where are you?
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22:06.18meflinUSA
22:06.33dhaunmarcj: they went out hours ago - check your spam folder
22:06.39ojwbAmoug: it's still likely to be classed as income
22:06.41JoolesI need to find out about what the UK would treat it as. Need to call citizens advice...
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22:06.43kblinmeflin: what dhaun said
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22:06.59Ferniciamarcj: Are you mentoring?
22:07.00meflinkblin: uhh what?
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22:07.09marcjdhaun: I checked my spam folder.
22:07.11JoolesMy assumption is that it counts as payment for services ie. taxable income
22:07.16kblinmeflin: tab completion fail :)
22:07.29marcjFernicia: Yes, I am the admin for coreboot.
22:07.35meflinemails kblin a new tab key
22:07.38kblinyay
22:07.45FerniciaOh, that's cool. :)
22:07.59JoolesOoh, I didn't see Coreboot on the list..
22:08.00john_123I have read in the FAQ that there might be some visa involved, if it goes through the government that might be an issue
22:08.06MatthewWilkesJooles: For tax stuff call HMRC, not citizens advice.
22:08.27JoolesMatthewWilkes, Noted. Thanks
22:08.33dhaunmarcj: email came from no-reply@google-melange.appspotmail.com if that helps
22:09.40Amougwell, if google pays the students by sending them a debit card. How are taxes applied ?
22:09.54Amougexcept by visa/master card/citi bank or whatever is that
22:09.57marcjdhaun: thanks I found it.
22:10.01dhaunAmoug: you're responsible for you own taxes
22:10.02john_123Amoug: does it work like that?
22:10.38JoolesAmoug, Generally you inform the tax man somehow that you got $5000 from Google and they say pay us x amount in tax please
22:10.56Amougjohn_123, yes, that's how a friend got paid last year
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22:11.12srabbelierhttp://goo.gl/kOwrQ
22:11.15john_123In the faq it says something like "Google begins issuing initial student payments provided tax forms are on file and students are in good standing with their communities."
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22:11.34Joolesjohn_123, those tax forms are for US students
22:11.39srabbelierpretty QPS graph http://goo.gl/kOwrQ
22:12.00JoolesNon US students need to notify their tax agencies in the appropriate manner for that country I believe
22:12.17john_123OK that sounds awesome then
22:12.26rohit12money comes in 2 different economic years
22:13.45AmougForgot that I live in some random country... no tax land :D
22:13.54JoolesHah, sweet :)
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22:18.10mschdid any ruby projects get acceted for GSOC this year (or any year before)?
22:18.17mschs/acceted/accepted/
22:19.18Ophiuchigood evening/night/whenever
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22:22.21flaushymsch puppetlabs
22:24.06mschflaushy: ah cool.
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22:38.05srabbelierwow
22:38.07srabbelierhttp://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=1464#c2
22:38.18srabbelierjosh@postgres
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22:38.22srabbeliergreat going there
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22:39.05ben1066what's with the GSOC age limit?
22:39.42Catfish_Manben1066: legalities of employment of minors, if you mean the 18+ requirement
22:39.52ben1066Ah right
22:39.58ben1066That sucks :(
22:40.01Catfish_Manit does
22:40.20flaushyuh get more orgs nominated? i think there have been 175 a couple of hours ago and now we are at 180
22:40.30ben1066I would be interested in taking part except im not allowed for a few years
22:40.32Catfish_Manflaushy: orgs are filling out their profiles
22:40.54ThomasWaldmannben1066: mentors are maybe ok < 18, right? :D
22:41.01Catfish_ManThomasWaldmann: yes, actually
22:41.06Catfish_Manthere was a 14 year old mentor
22:41.17Catfish_Manben1066: keep your eyes open for Google Code-In. It's structured as a contest, so it can be aimed at <18 people
22:41.20ben1066Id make a crap mentor
22:41.33ben1066At least, currently
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22:42.24ThomasWaldmannben1066: you can do stuff outside of soc, many orgs provide mentoring independantly of soc. you just won't get $$$$, but lots of knowledge.
22:43.09ben1066To be honest, I don't care for money so much :) I'm more interested in experience. I mean, I've submitted small bits to some opensource projects.
22:43.47ThomasWaldmannwell, just do more, get in deeper :)
22:43.47noywell, if that's the case keep working with them
22:43.50noyexactly
22:44.19ben1066I guess so. Ah well, I'll wait.
22:45.03flaushyCatfish_Man: ok. i thought only the list grew, not the number of participating orgs. thx
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22:48.26Nightroseis it a known problem that on http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/dashboard/google/gsoc2012#requests all entries go to the same request?
22:48.33Nightroseie the link is always the same
22:50.00srabbelierflaushy, that was a copy/paste typo from last year
22:50.07srabbelierflaushy, (the fact that it previously said 175)
22:50.21flaushysrabbelier: ah :)
22:50.29flaushythx :)
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22:50.42srabbelierNightrose, yes, and a fix is committed
22:50.46srabbelierdeploying new release now
22:50.57Nightrosesrabbelier: thx
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23:19.09cinemascop89!next
23:19.10gsocbotcinemascop89: "next" is Mar 26 19:00 UTC - Student Application period opens
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23:22.47Sebastian_Hey, what's the https url for melange this year?
23:23.31Sebastian_oh, nvm. the old one redirected to http, but usinghttps://google-melange.appspot.com works.
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23:28.29rodwebHello, I've read on the faq that i'm allowed to send up to 20 applications, but only one will be submitted. How it'll be choosed?
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23:28.52rodwebBy myself out by someone else?
23:29.02rodwebor*
23:29.51ThomasWaldmannrodweb: you and maybe a bit the orgs
23:29.53Catfish_Manrodweb: if more than one organization accepts a proposal of yours, they will generally attempt to give you a chance to choose, but if they can't reach you during the duplicate resolution meeting, they'll choose
23:30.17ojwbor for various other reasons
23:30.21Catfish_Manrodweb: also, realistically, if you're sending more than a few, it's unlikely any of them will be accepted. They're pretty time consuming
23:30.45ojwbwonders why the limit is still 20
23:31.04gevaertsojwb: to make spam applications shorter :)
23:31.12ojwbif it was 10, it would seriously reduce the junk without actually affecting anyone submitting real applications
23:31.14ThomasWaldmannhehe
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23:32.03ojwbgevaerts: except they just send the same one to 20 orgs, from what I've seen
23:32.18rodwebCatfish_Man: so if several applications will be accepted,I'll have time to decide up to the limit of the period?
23:32.24ThomasWaldmann"please take me, i do everything!!1"
23:32.29ojwbrodweb: you may get to choose, but you may not
23:32.37Catfish_Manrodweb: no, duplicate acceptances will be decided during a meeting
23:32.40ojwbdon't apply for a project if you wouldn't be happy to do it
23:32.43Catfish_Manit's considered polite to try to contact the student
23:32.44Catfish_Manbut not require
23:32.45Catfish_Mand
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23:34.53rodwebI don't get it. If I'll send applications for two organizations, and burn if then will be accepted, what will happen next?
23:35.04rodwebBoth*
23:35.09rodwebOf*
23:35.15rodwebDamn T9
23:35.27Catfish_Manrodweb: then the mentors from those organizations, and the gsoc admins, join an irc channel together at a predetermined time
23:35.29Catfish_Manand decide what to do
23:35.45Catfish_Manmost likely they'll ask you, if you're around
23:36.16rodwebCatfish_Man: so it's better not to send multiple applications?
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23:36.35Catfish_Manrodweb: I can't give a yes or no answer to that. It's best to only send in applications that you actually want to do
23:36.47ThomasWaldmannrodweb: 2, maybe 3 (depends on your time)
23:37.01rodwebGet it, thanks
23:37.22ThomasWaldmannif you try to do more, they won't be good enough
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23:37.52Catfish_ManThomasWaldmann: generally. We did get like 5 one year from one student that were all wildly creative and very cool
23:37.55ThomasWaldmannusually orgs want to see own ideas on stuff, not just c&p from their ideas page
23:38.05Catfish_Mansadly, we had a surfeit of applicants that year, and let pidgin have him
23:39.07ThomasWaldmannalso, you need to do project time planning and refinement of ideas
23:39.28gevaertsWell, own ideas or a proposal based on one of the ideas of the list, but with all the details filled in and showing a clear understanding of the idea
23:39.44ThomasWaldmannCatfish_Man: yeah, that may happen, but is rather exceptional
23:40.33ThomasWaldmanngevaerts: yeah, i meant "own ideas about the details for a suggested rough idea"
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23:45.24Npmayhi, 180 projects accepted, and 123 are on the list at http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2012 Where are the other 57?
23:45.50Catfish_ManNpmay: filling out their organization profiles
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23:47.40noyI should really get on that
23:49.11Npmayhow can I check to see whether my project admins applied by the deadline this year?
23:49.25BBB-workNpmay, you ask them
23:49.47rodwebCan I combine some ideas from the org's idea list into one?
23:49.47Npmayif they are here? If so, please check on R Project for Statistical Computing thanks
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23:50.44Catfish_Manrodweb: there aren't any restrictions on what you can propose. Just consider if it makes sense, is valuable (or at least interesting), and is within a reasonable scope for your abilities
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