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| 00:10.50 | Npmay | How can there be 57 missing accepted projects in melange when only 41 are new? Did 16 projects blank their organization name? |
| 00:11.27 | meflin | they only get added when the submit there profile in melange |
| 00:11.53 | Npmay | even for organizations which were accepted last year, meflin? |
| 00:12.01 | ojwb | you need to fill it in again |
| 00:12.02 | ojwb | every year |
| 00:12.03 | meflin | yep |
| 00:12.07 | Npmay | thanks |
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| 00:38.13 | wtachi | hybrid |
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| 00:47.08 | Sprouty | Hi |
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| 01:03.58 | ajs | when's the deadline for orgs to get their pages up? |
| 01:04.47 | ojwb | there probably isn't one, but the sooner you do the more exposure you'll get to prospective students |
| 01:05.02 | ajs | I'm a student.... |
| 01:05.17 | ojwb | s/you/they/ then |
| 01:05.21 | ajs | just curious when I'll know the final list :P |
| 01:05.49 | ojwb | by the end of the weekend the vast majority should have |
| 01:05.58 | ajs | ok - thanks ojwb |
| 01:05.59 | ojwb | if they haven't by then, that's not a great sign for responsiveness |
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| 01:06.27 | ajs | I'm in crisis mode since my top two orgs got axed since last year :( |
| 01:06.41 | ojwb | right now the admin could easily have simply been asleep since before the announcement |
| 01:06.53 | ajs | yup... ok thy |
| 01:07.02 | ojwb | ajs: which orgs? |
| 01:07.03 | ajs | ojwb: what org are you? |
| 01:07.15 | ajs | ojwb: LimeSurvey & WordPress |
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| 01:08.31 | ojwb | is admin for Xapian |
| 01:09.38 | ojwb | probably helping with SWIG a bit too, since their admin hasn't admin-ed before |
| 01:09.42 | ajs | ojwb: interesting |
| 01:10.51 | ajs | ojwb: well, neither of those are in my field of expertise and interest, so I suppose I must wish you the best of luck |
| 01:11.29 | ojwb | thanks |
| 01:11.42 | ojwb | the tag search on the org list might help you find something |
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| 01:12.50 | ajs | ojwb: yep - I'm playing with it... but can't help be but be disappointed that I can't work with LimeSurvey where I have probably at least 200 commits |
| 01:13.02 | ajs | not that commits measure performance by any means.......... |
| 01:15.21 | ojwb | yeah, unfortunately it's a consequence of the limited number of org places |
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| 01:17.01 | ajs | ojwb: by the way, is carol or stephanie in charge of GSoC? I now I received considerable confusion from stephanie being in charge of GCI even though carol lead much of the beginning stuff |
| 01:17.50 | ojwb | i thought carols was in charge of both, and stephanie helped out |
| 01:18.03 | ojwb | but I don't really know the details |
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| 01:18.42 | ajs | ojwb: according to carol, stephanie was in charge of GCI, and stephanie definitely coordinated the trip for grand prize winners :D |
| 01:19.09 | ojwb | perhaps she took over this year then, if carol was more involved to start with |
| 01:19.35 | gevaerts | carols was in charge at the beginning of GCI IIRC, but then stephanie took over |
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| 01:20.27 | ajs | gevaerts: do you know for GSoC if this is the plan? or is carols in charge? |
| 01:20.50 | gevaerts | carols handles gsoc, yes |
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| 01:22.29 | ajs | ojwb, gevaerts - ok. thank you. best of luck |
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| 01:58.10 | pokoko222 | not many games this year :( |
| 01:59.00 | JupiterIII | Games? |
| 01:59.23 | pokoko222 | yeah game projects |
| 02:00.25 | ajs | pokoko222: good riddance IMO |
| 02:00.42 | pokoko222 | riddance? |
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| 02:01.22 | ajs | riddance: the action of getting rid of something troublesome |
| 02:01.35 | edsiper | hello |
| 02:01.43 | pokoko222 | ajs your point is? |
| 02:01.45 | MatthewWilkes | ajs: I don't think it's really appropriate for you to be judging what is a worthwhile use of other people's time and enthusiasm… |
| 02:02.18 | MatthewWilkes | If you can't say anything nice don't say anything at all, and all that |
| 02:02.35 | pokoko222 | I agree |
| 02:02.39 | ajs | MatthewWilkes: I apologize to offend - however, I judge not peoples' use of time, but Google's use of money |
| 02:02.42 | JupiterIII | Entertainment in the form of games will always have a big stake in technology development. |
| 02:03.07 | vikash | I see the list is expanding, so by when can I see the complete list? and where can I have a discussion upon Google Open Source Programs Office |
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| 02:05.53 | JupiterIII | Where is the list of projects? |
| 02:06.05 | desti | See all 180 participating organizations <- is this the final number? 131 on the list now |
| 02:06.19 | desti | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2012 |
| 02:06.28 | ajs | desti: of course not, orgs show up only after filling out their profiles |
| 02:09.51 | JupiterIII | Ooooh The Drupal Ideas page looks riveting. |
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| 02:22.29 | semmalai | can any one tell me weather qemu is selected for gsoc 2012 |
| 02:26.18 | variable | semmalai: the list is published |
| 02:26.28 | variable | https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2012 |
| 02:26.40 | variable | I don't see qemu on the list |
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| 02:27.24 | semmalai | how many organization 131 /180 |
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| 02:28.01 | semmalai | in the list only 131 is there but in the announce ment it is saying 180 |
| 02:29.07 | variable | I don't know |
| 02:29.22 | MatthewWilkes | !missingorgs | semmalai |
| 02:29.22 | gsocbot | semmalai: "missingorgs" is The list of participating organisations only shows those that have filled in their organisation profile, so it will slowly reach 180 as that's done. The list is very incomplete at the moment because not all accepted organisations have done that yet. If your org isn't on there you can check if it's been accepted by asking the person who submitted the application. |
| 02:31.01 | Mayank | !missingorgs | moodle |
| 02:31.01 | gsocbot | Mayank: Error: No such user. |
| 02:31.36 | semmalai | can any one tell me the qemu is selected |
| 02:31.42 | semmalai | or not |
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| 02:33.41 | boomerman | !Mayank |
| 02:34.04 | Mayank | MatthewWilkes: is there a list where we can check the "missingorgs"? |
| 02:35.29 | MatthewWilkes | Mayank: Not afaik |
| 02:37.46 | thebolt | morning |
| 02:38.09 | Mayank | MatthewWilkes: ok :( |
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| 02:45.06 | MatthewWilkes | hi thebolt |
| 02:46.49 | thebolt | hi MatthewWilkes , how're you doing? |
| 02:51.05 | MatthewWilkes | thebolt: okay, bit bummed about not being part of GSoC this year though, you? |
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| 02:54.23 | edsiper | waits for his Sushi to celebrate that our org was accepted :) |
| 02:55.34 | thebolt | MatthewWilkes: oh, how come? org not accepted or not time? |
| 02:56.07 | thebolt | MatthewWilkes: doing pretty well.. waiting for gf to arrive back from airport (she has been away for some dayts).. cleaning up apartment etc after a few days of continuous working ;) |
| 02:56.19 | thebolt | and its first real spring days here.. sunny and warm outside :) |
| 02:57.51 | MatthewWilkes | thebolt: Not accepted |
| 02:58.01 | thebolt | MatthewWilkes: oh, sorry about that |
| 02:58.31 | thebolt | MatthewWilkes: guess you should do like kblin and be involved in multiple things.. if one is not in maybe another is ;) |
| 02:59.16 | MatthewWilkes | thebolt: I might volunteer for the PSF, if they were accepted, will have a look when the list goes up fully |
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| 03:00.52 | thebolt | MatthewWilkes: i see |
| 03:02.41 | MatthewWilkes | Just doing some for-fun hacking right now… Piece of freemium software takes 4 hours to run or a few minutes if you spend 2 USD |
| 03:03.13 | MatthewWilkes | so, naturally, I think "Hell no, the data is CC nc-at, I can just write a library to do it more efficiently" |
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| 03:09.53 | thebolt | MatthewWilkes: :) |
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| 03:31.03 | Gentlecat | Should I apply to organization if I haven't worked with their software before? |
| 03:38.25 | JordiGH | Gentlecat: Probably not.... why does that organisation interest you if you've never used their software? |
| 03:39.16 | Gentlecat | Yeah, that's true |
| 03:40.21 | tomprince | Although, there are some orgs who software isn't directly used by a lof of people, necesarily. I think kernel.org is one. |
| 03:40.40 | tomprince | (which is distinct from the linux kernel) |
| 03:40.44 | Gentlecat | I'm looking at OpenNMS right now |
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| 03:41.42 | thebolt | JordiGH: most of the students for the org i used to mentor for hadn't used our software before gsoc |
| 03:41.54 | thebolt | JordiGH: some of them did become users and/or contributors after though ;) |
| 03:42.26 | JordiGH | I said probably, not certainly, heh. |
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| 03:47.20 | Marshalrusty | Seems that I can been ousted as the administrator of your organization :P |
| 03:47.28 | Marshalrusty | Is there anyone around who can help correct this? |
| 03:47.38 | Marshalrusty | our, not your* |
| 03:48.38 | meflin | you should look first to your org |
| 03:49.26 | Marshalrusty | meflin: I do not know what you could possibly mean |
| 03:50.14 | tomprince | Marshalrusty: Talk to whoever was listed as the backup admin. |
| 03:50.40 | meflin | or the prime or your org |
| 03:50.44 | Marshalrusty | tomprince: He has attempted to add me, however the form just reloads blank |
| 03:50.55 | Marshalrusty | It's been a few hours now and I have no email |
| 03:51.31 | tomprince | Ah. That sounds like it might be a melange bug. |
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| 03:51.41 | tomprince | !bugs | Marshalrusty |
| 03:51.41 | gsocbot | Marshalrusty: "bugs" is http://tinyurl.com/new-issue |
| 03:51.46 | tomprince | maybe |
| 03:51.57 | meflin | sign up as a mentor and the prime then can add you |
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| 03:52.31 | Marshalrusty | I'm not sure how I can file a bug report without doing the slightest amount of research or even confirming that it is indeed a bug |
| 03:53.02 | Marshalrusty | Are either of you fine gents involved in GSoC? |
| 03:53.38 | tomprince | I'm an admin for a project. |
| 03:53.49 | meflin | so am I |
| 03:55.21 | Marshalrusty | I can file a barebones bug report, I suppose. However, it seems like other projects must have hit this exact same problem |
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| 04:01.01 | Marshalrusty | meflin: Tried that route, but get "You have already been invited to be a an administrator for this organization" :) |
| 04:01.52 | meflin | huh prime or backup admin? |
| 04:02.16 | Marshalrusty | I submitted the application and should be prime |
| 04:02.38 | Marshalrusty | However, the backup admin received the same welcome email and filled in the details |
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| 04:02.52 | Marshalrusty | That's where we are |
| 04:04.01 | meflin | the admin that can fill in details is the ADMIN |
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| 04:04.20 | Marshalrusty | meflin: Well, we know that's not true |
| 04:05.01 | Marshalrusty | Or rather, we know that melange, or whatever is responsible for making these decisions, doesn't seem to honor this |
| 04:05.18 | meflin | so you are saying that you KNOW that the admin whil is prime isn't the one who can fill out the acceptenc? |
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| 04:05.48 | tomprince | I know I filed out the profile, as the backup admin. |
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| 04:06.13 | Marshalrusty | I filled out the initial application with myself as the primary admin |
| 04:06.26 | Marshalrusty | Both I and the backup admin received the acceptance email |
| 04:06.28 | Marshalrusty | I was not around |
| 04:06.44 | Marshalrusty | He filled in whatever the application linked from the email contained |
| 04:07.00 | Marshalrusty | I now no longer am the admin. Main, backup or otherwise |
| 04:07.48 | tomprince | That I think is certainly a bug in melange, or a poor design decision. |
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| 04:13.12 | Cheezmeister | FWIW, melange looks much better than it did last time I worked with it (admittedly, 2010). Might just be the CSS, but I like it. |
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| 04:20.27 | variable | wonders if Cheezmeister has more cheeze |
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| 04:30.51 | ojwb | Marshalrusty: #melange is a better place for melange issues |
| 04:31.09 | Mayank | Any link where we can see the list of "missingorgs"? |
| 04:31.16 | ojwb | assuming the backup admin is now the admin, he/she can probably invite you as another admin though |
| 04:31.31 | Marshalrusty | ojwb: I can get it fixed in melange, but I still need my status fixed on GSoC regardless, right? |
| 04:31.49 | Marshalrusty | Two separate issues |
| 04:32.05 | ojwb | Marshalrusty: indeed, but the people on #melange write the software and run this instance |
| 04:32.22 | Marshalrusty | ojwb: Ah, that I did not know |
| 04:32.29 | ojwb | though the backup admin may be able to fix the latter |
| 04:32.44 | Marshalrusty | ojwb: As I said above, he has done all he can |
| 04:32.55 | Marshalrusty | It tells me I have been "invited" |
| 04:33.01 | Marshalrusty | But I see no option anywhere to accept |
| 04:33.12 | ojwb | not in your dashboard? |
| 04:33.42 | ojwb | !eligiblity |
| 04:33.46 | ojwb | !eligible |
| 04:33.46 | gsocbot | ojwb: "eligible" is http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs#eligibility |
| 04:34.54 | ojwb | hmm, that's not an anchor |
| 04:35.06 | ojwb | gsocbot: learn eligible as http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs#age_restrictions |
| 04:35.06 | gsocbot | ojwb: "eligible" is (#1) http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs#eligibility, or (#2) http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs#age_restrictions |
| 04:35.15 | ojwb | gsocbot: forget eligible #1 |
| 04:35.15 | gsocbot | ojwb: Error: There is no such factoid. |
| 04:35.16 | ojwb | gsocbot: forget eligible 1 |
| 04:35.17 | gsocbot | ojwb: "eligible" is http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs#age_restrictions |
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| 04:38.17 | ojwb | Marshalrusty: ah, I didn't see all the previous discussion, only the last chunk |
| 04:40.35 | chilloutdocdoc | so, how much work are you generally considered to put into GSOC? 10/20/40/80 Hours per week? |
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| 04:41.04 | ojwb | about 40 typically |
| 04:41.33 | chilloutdocdoc | yeah, i saw 5 on the GSOC site and figured that there was no way that could be accurate |
| 04:41.40 | ojwb | faq says it should be your "primary focus", and most orgs take that to mean like a full time job |
| 04:41.58 | ojwb | ~5 hours is a guesstimate for MENTORING |
| 04:41.58 | ibot | ojwb: okay |
| 04:42.03 | chilloutdocdoc | oh wait, my bad lol. |
| 04:42.05 | ojwb | though it can vary a lot |
| 04:42.07 | chilloutdocdoc | just read that lol. |
| 04:42.18 | chilloutdocdoc | Hmm, i don't think i'll be able to do it then, but we shall see |
| 04:42.21 | chilloutdocdoc | already have a full time job |
| 04:42.39 | ojwb | yes, that's likely to work out badly for either gsoc, the job, or both |
| 04:42.54 | chilloutdocdoc | sometimes you have to say no. |
| 04:43.27 | chilloutdocdoc | or my sleep schedule lol. |
| 04:43.28 | ojwb | you can contribute to open source projects without taking part in gsoc |
| 04:43.59 | chilloutdocdoc | oh, i know, i'm currently developing some open source projects as it is.. GSOC just looked attractive. |
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| 04:45.44 | ojwb | cool - it's surprising how many don't realise that though |
| 04:46.40 | chilloutdocdoc | yeah lol. I'm a christmas light nut, working on some open source lighting controllers. |
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| 05:10.26 | Mango_Man | Hey guys, why doesn't the list of mentoring organizations show all 180 orgs? |
| 05:10.35 | Mango_Man | It only shows 135 at the moment |
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| 05:10.47 | JordiGH | !missingorgs |
| 05:10.47 | gsocbot | JordiGH: "missingorgs" is The list of participating organisations only shows those that have filled in their organisation profile, so it will slowly reach 180 as that's done. The list is very incomplete at the moment because not all accepted organisations have done that yet. If your org isn't on there you can check if it's been accepted by asking the person who submitted the application. |
| 05:11.07 | Mango_Man | oh ok thanks |
| 05:11.15 | JordiGH | !s/very incomplete/incomplete/ in missingorgs |
| 05:12.25 | ojwb | if only you could edit it... |
| 05:12.35 | JordiGH | !emacs ./missingorgs |
| 05:12.41 | Cheezmeister | I approve of this bang syntax. |
| 05:12.57 | ojwb | !this cookie | Cheezmeister |
| 05:12.58 | gsocbot | Cheezmeister: "this cookie" is for you |
| 05:13.05 | Cheezmeister | noms |
| 05:13.09 | Cheezmeister | 'night folks :) |
| 05:14.46 | ojwb | !learn missingorgs as The list of participating organisations only shows those that have filled in their organisation profile, so it will slowly reach 180 as that's done. The list is incomplete at the moment because not all accepted organisations have done that yet. If your org isn't on there you can check if it's been accepted by asking the person who submitted the application. |
| 05:14.46 | gsocbot | ojwb: "missingorgs" is (#1) The list of participating organisations only shows those that have filled in their organisation profile, so it will slowly reach 180 as that's done. The list is very incomplete at the moment because not all accepted organisations have done that yet. If your org isn't on there you can check if it's been accepted by asking the person who submitted the application., or (#2) The list of (1 more message) |
| 05:14.51 | ojwb | !forget missingorgs 1 |
| 05:14.52 | Mango_Man | !this cookie | Mango_Man |
| 05:14.52 | gsocbot | ojwb: "missingorgs" is The list of participating organisations only shows those that have filled in their organisation profile, so it will slowly reach 180 as that's done. The list is incomplete at the moment because not all accepted organisations have done that yet. If your org isn't on there you can check if it's been accepted by asking the person who submitted the application. |
| 05:14.53 | gsocbot | Mango_Man: "this cookie" is for you |
| 05:14.58 | Mango_Man | yay |
| 05:15.09 | JordiGH | ojwb: You gotta admit that's not as nice as !emacs |
| 05:15.10 | ojwb | it's cheating to feed yourself |
| 05:15.20 | Mango_Man | !emacs |
| 05:15.28 | ojwb | is a recovering emacs user |
| 05:15.37 | JordiGH | Mango_Man: They don't tolerate our religion here. |
| 05:15.41 | ojwb | probably clean for more than 10 years now |
| 05:16.48 | JordiGH | ojwb: Textmate now? |
| 05:17.04 | ojwb | nope, vim |
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| 05:17.15 | JordiGH | Ah. I use that sometimes. For config files. |
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| 05:18.01 | JordiGH | ojwb: Look, I even have this: http://inversethought.com/hg/hgwebdir.cgi/dotemacs/file/5f95b63347ec/dotemacs.el#l129 |
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| 05:20.04 | thebolt | ojwb: (g)vim is the only way to live.. |
| 05:20.25 | thebolt | ojwb: i use it for all text files on all platforms (win, linux and sometimes osx) |
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| 05:22.40 | Mango_Man | !this mango | Mango_Man |
| 05:22.44 | Mango_Man | :( |
| 05:22.50 | Mango_Man | !this banana | Mango_Man |
| 05:22.54 | Mango_Man | !this cookie | Mango_Man |
| 05:22.54 | gsocbot | Mango_Man: "this cookie" is for you |
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| 07:01.26 | flippingbits | Does anybody know when the list of accepted organizations will be complete? |
| 07:01.37 | ins0mnia | !missingorgs |
| 07:01.37 | gsocbot | ins0mnia: "missingorgs" is The list of participating organisations only shows those that have filled in their organisation profile, so it will slowly reach 180 as that's done. The list is incomplete at the moment because not all accepted organisations have done that yet. If your org isn't on there you can check if it's been accepted by asking the person who submitted the application. |
| 07:01.49 | ojwb | or more succinctly, no |
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| 07:02.26 | GenX | !next |
| 07:02.27 | gsocbot | GenX: "next" is Mar 26 19:00 UTC - Student Application period opens |
| 07:02.42 | flippingbits | ah ok, so the person who has submitted the application gets an email when the organization gets accepted? |
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| 07:03.04 | ojwb | yes, and the person they listed as backup admin does too |
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| 07:03.20 | flippingbits | thank you! |
| 07:03.35 | ojwb | the vast majority should be done by monday |
| 07:04.15 | ojwb | I think the last few took a week or more last year |
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| 07:05.12 | ojwb | perhaps it should be like musical chairs - send out more than 180, and the first 180 to fill in a profile get a place |
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| 07:06.43 | aliq | I am org admin, but also a mentor. I can't apply as a mentor, it says "You are already an administrator for this organization" - what's that mean? |
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| 07:14.13 | David_Honeynet | congratulations to all the orgs who got accepted this year, especially the many new ones |
| 07:14.29 | David_Honeynet | and better luck next year to those who didn't... |
| 07:15.59 | ojwb | aliq: I think it means that you don't need to apply as a mentor separately |
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| 07:22.11 | aliq | ojwb: thanks. was worried that admins cant be mentors... |
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| 07:26.57 | ojwb | aliq: they always have been able to mentor previously at least |
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| 08:07.56 | semmalai | any body having idea qemu is selected as mentoring org? |
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| 08:08.28 | semmalai | right now it is not in the list (139/180) |
| 08:08.40 | hanzz | Hi, I haven't found it in FAQ... Can I be a mentor for two organizations? |
| 08:09.07 | hanzz | And mentor two students if it would be needed? |
| 08:11.17 | Mayank | hanzz: I was a student last year. But I know of mentors who have been mentoring more than one student in the same org, I am not sure if it could be two different orgs. |
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| 08:15.10 | hanzz | Well, at least Melange allows me to do it |
| 08:15.57 | hanzz | The true is that there's "to one of the accepted organizations." text under "apply" button, so I don't know :). |
| 08:16.24 | ojwb | hanzz: you can, but think carefully about the time it might require |
| 08:16.55 | ojwb | especially if it is your first time mentoring |
| 08:17.22 | hanzz | It's not my first time. |
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| 08:18.16 | weltall | depends also on the students |
| 08:18.26 | hanzz | I'm also 90% sure I won't get two students, but ones never know. |
| 08:18.39 | weltall | i've mentored two last year and checked the work of 4 |
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| 08:18.56 | weltall | and didn't require much time |
| 08:19.18 | ojwb | the problem is if you get a student who needs the far end of the curve time-wise |
| 08:19.39 | weltall | exactly |
| 08:19.56 | ojwb | and it's hard to predict those accurately |
| 08:20.03 | hanzz | true. |
| 08:20.30 | ojwb | and failing a student because you don't have the time because you took on too many students sucks |
| 08:20.32 | weltall | well depending on the selection process and the amount of applications you could stay mostly safe on that |
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| 08:21.07 | weltall | agreed that is bad |
| 08:21.11 | hanzz | ojwb: Well, 2 is not so much and I have lot of time during the summer. |
| 08:21.26 | ojwb | i'm not saying never do it, just to think carefully about what you might be committing to |
| 08:22.10 | hanzz | Ok, thanks for the advice :) |
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| 09:18.45 | [Noman] | Hi. I'm an org admin for Ogre3D, got the acceptance mail. When I click the link I get "The organization with the ID ogre already exists and hence you cannot create a new organization profile for the same ID. If you are actually looking for editing this organization profile please click here." |
| 09:19.00 | [Noman] | When I click that link, I get "You need to be a organization administrator for OGRE to access this page." |
| 09:19.21 | [Noman] | I am 100% sure that I am logged in with the same gmail account that I used to create the application. Does anyone know whats up? |
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| 09:24.41 | ojwb | [Noman]: did you backup admin fill it in? |
| 09:24.55 | ojwb | it seems that un-admins you, judging from what someone said here earlier |
| 09:25.11 | ojwb | I'd guess if you ask on #melange they can fix it |
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| 09:27.05 | [Noman] | http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=1466&thanks=1466&ts=1331976385 |
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| 10:48.39 | TedTedTedTed | Hi everyone |
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| 10:49.47 | TedTedTedTed | Is the list of mentoring organizations published on GSOC's website definitive ? |
| 10:50.48 | |Kev| | TedTedTedTed: There may still be some missing from the list if they haven't filled in their org profile. |
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| 10:53.51 | TedTedTedTed | |Kev|: ok, thanks. For example, I thought Tor & Freenet would have participate this year, juste like during the previous ones |
| 10:53.58 | TedTedTedTed | (man, my english is terrible) |
| 10:54.57 | |Kev| | Not terrible - s/have// s/juste/just/ and you're done. |
| 10:55.19 | TedTedTedTed | thanks :-) |
| 10:55.21 | |Kev| | I do know some prominent orgs from previous years didn't get in this time - although I know nothing about Tor or Frenet. |
| 10:55.33 | TedTedTedTed | why ? |
| 10:56.26 | TedTedTedTed | anyway, do you know when the final list will be available ? |
| 10:56.42 | mlankhorst | tor's not in? sad :( |
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| 10:59.19 | dhaun | TedTedTedTed: the orgs need to fill in their profile to show up in the list, so it's up to them |
| 10:59.40 | dhaun | although I guess Carol will start hunting them down on Monday :P |
| 11:00.23 | schumaml | I guess more orgs would already show up if backup admins could complete the profiles as well :) |
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| 11:05.35 | olly | |Kev|: still happy to sponsor that package for you, btw |
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| 11:08.03 | |Kev| | olly: Thanks very much. It's still on my todo, it just keeps getting pushed down by urgent work things. |
| 11:09.11 | |Kev| | (It's been a hard year (I guess they all are)) |
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| 11:10.24 | TedTedTedTed | dhaun: okay, thanks. The deadline for organizations is around March 25 I guess ? |
| 11:12.03 | dhaun | I don't think there's a deadline for filling out the profile |
| 11:12.05 | olly | |Kev|: sure, I have years like that too |
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| 11:26.37 | TedTedTedTed | oh, i was wrong, Tor is actually on the list |
| 11:27.49 | TedTedTedTed | "Electronic Frontier Foundation - Tor Project" (i was looking at project whose name start with a T)) |
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| 11:41.18 | Mayank | !log |
| 11:41.18 | gsocbot | Mayank: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified. |
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| 11:47.32 | gabor_bernat | I can so only 145 organizations on the accepted list, where are the other up to 180? |
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| 11:50.12 | ojwb | !missingorgs | gabor_bernat |
| 11:50.13 | gsocbot | gabor_bernat: "missingorgs" is The list of participating organisations only shows those that have filled in their organisation profile, so it will slowly reach 180 as that's done. The list is incomplete at the moment because not all accepted organisations have done that yet. If your org isn't on there you can check if it's been accepted by asking the person who submitted the application. |
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| 12:41.50 | pokoko222 | I have made a selection of 3 potential projects |
| 12:42.02 | pokoko222 | I will pick the best option and devote it a week |
| 12:42.27 | pokoko222 | if it does not go anywhere I will move to the next one and have a week for that |
| 12:42.37 | pokoko222 | will have to dump one option |
| 12:42.42 | pokoko222 | how do you guys handle this |
| 12:42.47 | pokoko222 | how many projects you go for? |
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| 12:47.22 | SukhE | pokoko222: Put simply, quality over quantity. |
| 12:47.45 | pokoko222 | SukhE: you nailed what I wanted to say yeah :D |
| 12:47.49 | ojwb | I've never done gsoc as a student, but 2 seems a good number to me |
| 12:47.52 | pokoko222 | even 2 projects is too much I guess |
| 12:47.57 | pokoko222 | ok maybe 2 is fine... |
| 12:48.07 | pokoko222 | give each one a week or so |
| 12:48.16 | |Kev| | With the same org or different orgs? |
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| 12:48.21 | pokoko222 | different org |
| 12:49.05 | ojwb | but if you just do one it'll probably be better |
| 12:49.23 | |Kev| | Because what you might do is chat to one of the orgs, and discuss with them that while you're submitting for one project, [these others] also interest you and you'd be happy to do those for them - which means all the effort you put into impressing them/getting to know them has a backup plan. |
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| 12:50.27 | |Kev| | If I had a particularly good student tell me this, I'd work with them to try and get them a project - even if their favourite project wasn't available (probably because someone else was doing it). |
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| 12:53.08 | pokoko222 | My strategy is this: pick one BEST option and give it 10 days maybe... if you dont go anywhere with it go with plan B some other project and work on it till 6 april |
| 12:54.52 | tomprince | pokoko222: You might conisder doing them in parallel. |
| 12:55.10 | pokoko222 | tomprince: I doubt that will work |
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| 12:56.24 | schumaml | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:56.54 | |Kev| | For reference, I had my first email from a student introducing themselves this morning. |
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| 13:00.31 | schumaml | a few students contacted us shortly after gsoc 2012 had been announced |
| 13:01.01 | |Kev| | Show-off :) |
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| 13:01.15 | schumaml | tries to image the 'omgomgomg I'm too late' this comment caused ;) |
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| 13:04.22 | edsiper | good morning ppl |
| 13:05.02 | |Kev| | Good morning. |
| 13:09.01 | edsiper | how is going ? |
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| 13:12.48 | arkiver | Hello edsiper |
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| 13:13.38 | edsiper | hi arkiver ,. g'morning |
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| 13:16.46 | arkiver | edsiper, 'evening here ! |
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| 13:19.40 | edsiper | arkiver, 7:20am here |
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| 13:26.22 | ThomasWaldmann | heh, metabrainz is only project with "fun" tag :D |
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| 13:36.26 | pokoko222 | guys I have never used mailing lists before |
| 13:36.41 | pokoko222 | basically you subscribe and the way you communicate is through mail? |
| 13:36.51 | schumaml | yes, to the list address |
| 13:37.00 | pokoko222 | I mean you just send mail and it gets to all of the people there, there is no forum like interface |
| 13:37.05 | pokoko222 | to read all previous messages |
| 13:37.17 | schumaml | no, and most people who use mailing lists despise forums |
| 13:37.23 | schumaml | and the writing style used there :) |
| 13:37.30 | pokoko222 | so everything is through mail |
| 13:37.36 | pokoko222 | but you just write mail to more people |
| 13:37.56 | schumaml | you write to one single address |
| 13:38.09 | schumaml | and the mailing list server relays it to all subscribers |
| 13:38.13 | pokoko222 | what if I want to read previous posts? |
| 13:38.27 | schumaml | usually there's a list archive somewhere |
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| 13:38.54 | pokoko222 | and that's all the magic? :) |
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| 13:39.24 | schumaml | for example, for the gimp-developer list, http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list has the subscription interface and a link to the archive |
| 13:39.44 | |Kev| | There's really very little magic. It's just like writing cc: [all the people subscribed's addresses] |
| 13:39.54 | |Kev| | Except there's usually a web archive. |
| 13:39.57 | pokoko222 | ok thank you schumaml ;) |
| 13:41.03 | pokoko222 | I can send to that mail from gmail right? I mean I dont have to use some interface on their site? |
| 13:41.30 | schumaml | you can |
| 13:41.45 | schumaml | no idea how good gmail supports working with mailing lists, though |
| 13:41.47 | pokoko222 | ok |
| 13:42.00 | |Kev| | schumaml: No problems that I'm aware of. |
| 13:42.01 | pokoko222 | hmm why, what might go wrong? |
| 13:42.11 | schumaml | e.g. if it makes it obvious that this is a list mail |
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| 13:42.36 | schumaml | replies to the author of a message only instead of the list are somewhat common |
| 13:42.50 | schumaml | thunderbird has a special 'reply to list' option |
| 13:43.01 | pokoko222 | there are lot of members on the list with gmail accounts I guess I will be fine |
| 13:43.02 | schumaml | (initially didn't have one, though) |
| 13:43.03 | |Kev| | Oh, good paint. |
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| 13:43.30 | |Kev| | pokoko222: So, yes, check to whom you're replying when you reply. You generally want to make sure it's just the mailing list - and be careful *not* to reply to list if you to send a private mail. |
| 13:43.57 | pokoko222 | ok thank you |
| 13:44.05 | pokoko222 | and sending is easy you just send to that mail? |
| 13:44.07 | pokoko222 | no problems |
| 13:44.11 | pokoko222 | not replying I mean... |
| 13:44.14 | schumaml | yes |
| 13:44.18 | pokoko222 | oki doki |
| 13:44.28 | schumaml | the mail subject should be meaningful |
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| 13:45.30 | tomprince | Well, some lists expect you to reply just to the list, and some also expect you to also reply to the sender of the message you are replying to and anybody in the CC. |
| 13:45.32 | schumaml | and check what quoting style the important people prefer |
| 13:45.46 | schumaml | most likely not full quotes with your text on top |
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| 13:46.26 | gevaerts | I'd say if they don't require proper quoting, you don't want to get involved with them :) |
| 13:48.20 | pokoko222 | is the mailing list private |
| 13:48.31 | pokoko222 | can someone search my name on google and get results from the mailing list posts? |
| 13:48.47 | |Kev| | Generally they can. |
| 13:49.04 | |Kev| | Lists /can/ be private, but those for OSS projects typically aren't. |
| 13:49.16 | pokoko222 | so if I want to stay private I better not use my real name |
| 13:49.26 | gevaerts | If you don't want your contributions to be public and easy to find, get away from open source now |
| 13:49.34 | pokoko222 | :D |
| 13:49.38 | |Kev| | What gevaerts says. |
| 13:49.40 | pokoko222 | well cant I use name like batman or something |
| 13:49.42 | schumaml | or have a good reason for it |
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| 13:50.07 | schumaml | some say that then you'll never be able to claim any rights to your code |
| 13:50.14 | pokoko222 | for various reasons I would like to stay private, but at the same time people in the project want to know your real name so... argh |
| 13:50.29 | schumaml | some orgs may not accept code in this case |
| 13:50.42 | schumaml | discuss it with them prior to applying |
| 13:50.52 | pokoko222 | so I have no choice but to use my real name and surname ... it seems |
| 13:51.02 | |Kev| | You might have, but it'd be very unusual. |
| 13:51.20 | |Kev| | I wouldn't accept code from a contributor in this case, for licensing reasons. |
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| 13:52.34 | pokoko222 | right... |
| 13:52.46 | gevaerts | Talk to the organisations. Not everyone has the same policy here |
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| 13:53.37 | gevaerts | Also, not having your real name in email headers is not the same thing as not having your real name on commits |
| 13:53.42 | schumaml | one reason brought up last time (iirc) was "if my real name is known, the criminals in my area will know that I may have $5000" |
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| 13:53.54 | bretonium | cannot decide |
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| 13:54.04 | bretonium | what project to go? |
| 13:54.04 | schumaml | and in some regions, this could mean the difference between life and death |
| 13:54.16 | bretonium | *to go to |
| 13:54.25 | |Kev| | schumaml: Right. I'd be sympathetic to this on mailing lists etc. - but would still need real names for licensing in commits. |
| 13:55.12 | |Kev| | (Which would suck, if someone couldn't contribute because of this, I entirely accept) |
| 13:55.40 | schumaml | I've been told that around here, this is the price being asked for a finger (to get past fingerprint sensors) |
| 13:55.43 | bretonium | Should I go to project, where I am 100% sure about what I will to do or go to another where it will be really tough? |
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| 13:57.17 | schumaml | bretonium: going for the best results for both you and the project would be a good practice |
| 13:57.39 | |Kev| | schumaml: That only means giving your best to the project, I think. |
| 13:57.48 | gevaerts | If you have enough time the next few weeks, you can try to go for more than one |
| 13:57.50 | |Kev| | I don't think it means you can't learn something new. |
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| 13:58.31 | gevaerts | has some doubts about being 100% sure anyway :) |
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| 13:59.22 | bretonium | Projects with django, for example. I am quite sure that there will be no difficulties for me. But isn't that boring - to have no difficulties? |
| 13:59.46 | gevaerts | I'm quite sure there *will* be difficulties |
| 14:00.15 | gevaerts | Working on software for two or three months and not having problems is basically impossible |
| 14:01.00 | bretonium | gevaerts: 1 year and 5 projects with django, where 1 is really big. |
| 14:01.02 | ThomasWaldmann | bretonium: come to moin, i promise difficulties :D |
| 14:01.43 | |Kev| | There's an offer you can't refuse :) |
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| 14:02.19 | gevaerts | bretonium: big, or complex? |
| 14:02.53 | bretonium | or there is that nice task with gnu wget (and a couple of times I was looking for that feature). I am not sure in my C skills and have no knowledge about wget's internals. But damn, that sounds interesting |
| 14:03.24 | bretonium | gevaerts: both I think. |
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| 14:05.07 | bretonium | ThomasWaldmann: lol, thanks. In fact, moin is on my to-decide-list. |
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| 14:06.00 | ThomasWaldmann | great. make sure you take enough time to look at stuff (assuming you are not familiar with it already). |
| 14:07.16 | gevaerts | bretonium: if I had to guess, I'd say you like web-related things :) |
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| 14:12.13 | ThomasWaldmann | finds the time interval between orgs being published and students having to submit proposals a bit short |
| 14:14.17 | bretonium | gevaerts: well, not only. I'd do something in python or C. And python (only) is not required anywhere but on the web. And wget is the only interesting/manageable C-task for me there. |
| 14:14.39 | ThomasWaldmann | esp. since NEW people are targetted, i think some more time would be good so they can have a deeper look into the potential projects and make better applications. |
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| 14:16.58 | gevaerts | bretonium: I'm pretty sure there are non-web python things on there |
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| 14:18.19 | bretonium | gevaerts: sympy, for example. But I have enough math for the summer to deal with :) |
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| 14:19.43 | gevaerts | bretonium: if an organisation lists e.g. python, C++, and javascript in its tags, that doesn't mean all possible projects there use python, C++, and javascript. |
| 14:20.25 | gevaerts | They might have projects that need all three of course, but they might just as well have projects that need one of them each |
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| 14:23.28 | bretonium | gevaerts: well, this makes it even harder to choose. |
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| 14:25.26 | gevaerts | bretonium: I'd say pick a random time in the next 48 hours, and at that time go and look at the homepage and see which five organisations happen to be shown there then, and pick one of them :) |
| 14:26.11 | gevaerts | Of course chances are you'll end up with a project with 100 ideas, so you'll still be stucj |
| 14:26.15 | gevaerts | *stuck |
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| 14:43.52 | pahan_ | Hello! I had choosen a mentoring organization and the discovered that I can't communicate with them neither by IRC nor send an email. It is not seemed the way to contact them described on their page. Could anyone advice me? |
| 14:44.15 | ana | pahan_: which mentoring organization it is? |
| 14:45.01 | pahan_ | It is Genome Informatics. |
| 14:45.59 | manojhans | can i submit more than one applications to any organisation??? |
| 14:46.14 | koda | yes you can and you should :) |
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| 14:46.43 | tomprince | pahan_: With both email and irc, it will take a bit of time to respond. |
| 14:46.50 | ana | pahan_: the IRC channel exists |
| 14:47.00 | manojhans | thank you for info koda |
| 14:47.43 | ana | pahan_: and the google group too... |
| 14:47.48 | pahan_ | Yes. But I tried Mibbit. It reported that node is terminated. |
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| 14:48.26 | schumaml | maybe they've blocked mibbit |
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| 14:48.32 | tomprince | It may be that most of the people involved were asleep when you tried to contact them, or simply away for the computers or otherwise occupied. |
| 14:49.16 | ana | pahan_: just send an email and wait, as pointed, they might be in a different timezone |
| 14:49.38 | ana | http://groups.google.com/group/genome-informatics exits |
| 14:49.45 | ana | exists* |
| 14:51.55 | pahan_ | Hmm... I've got report from mail system that it may not exist, or I may not have permission to post messages to the group |
| 14:52.08 | ana | pahan_: you need to join first |
| 14:52.29 | ana | it might be better indicated, but it does not require a lot to find out :) |
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| 14:53.34 | pahan_ | Okay. Thanks a lot, but I'm still can't see where to join. |
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| 14:54.26 | schumaml | there's a join buton right on that page |
| 14:54.28 | schumaml | *button |
| 14:54.42 | ana | pahan_: http://groups.google.com/group/genome-informatics |
| 14:54.46 | ana | "Join this group" |
| 14:55.16 | ana | https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/genome-informatics if you prefer |
| 14:55.53 | pahan_ | Oh. Sorry, I've not checked out the link you posted when confirming existence of this group. |
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| 14:56.36 | o0o0o | does someone know anything about the 'not accepted orgs irc meeting'? |
| 14:57.08 | mmadia | !meeting |
| 14:57.09 | gsocbot | mmadia: "meeting" is The IRC meeting for rejected orgs is <time UTC> on <date> in this channel. |
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| 14:58.36 | o0o0o | !time |
| 14:58.36 | gsocbot | o0o0o: "time" is has come, the walrus said, to speak of other things. |
| 14:59.06 | o0o0o | lol |
| 14:59.30 | m4nson | !luck |
| 14:59.56 | mmadia | i'd imagine carols will email the gsoc lists, once the time & date is scheduled, o0o0o. |
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| 15:02.22 | tomprince | Yes, she has indicated that that is the case. |
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| 15:06.09 | ThomasWaldmann | question for other org admins: do you have some non-editable textareas in your org profile? |
| 15:06.49 | tomprince | I noticed something liket that, that changed to a rich-text editior, I think. |
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| 15:07.14 | ThomasWaldmann | like Application Template, Message for <misc stuff> |
| 15:07.44 | tomprince | Yes. |
| 15:07.45 | ThomasWaldmann | tomprince: yes, it shows a rich-text editor, but one can't type in it |
| 15:09.02 | ThomasWaldmann | so i was wondering whether that is a bug or we are not expected to type there (but why is it shown if that the case?) |
| 15:10.03 | tomprince | Sounds like a bug, then. When I loaded it looked, anyway, like it wasn't editable, then it updated it self, and I was able to edit it. |
| 15:10.21 | o0o0o | m4nson, mmadia, tomprince, tx |
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| 15:20.58 | eskimo87 | Hi folks, one quick question: I'm interested to participate in GSOC this summer, I also have identified the Mentor Org that I want to work with, but want to know if the project that I want to propose is to be done by me alone, or can I rope-in a team member and both apply as students for one project? |
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| 15:23.05 | ThomasWaldmann | eskimo87: you may want to consult the rules/faq, but i think it has to be a clearly identifiable project per student |
| 15:23.06 | bretonium | eskimo87: the project decides afaik. |
| 15:23.25 | bretonium | oh, ok. |
| 15:24.00 | ThomasWaldmann | so if one can split the tasks clearly, it might work |
| 15:24.30 | eskimo87 | I see two different replies; well, i did check FAQs which states one student can work on only one project; But what if the scale of project is substantial and might need help of another student? |
| 15:24.50 | gevaerts | Then you should scale down the project |
| 15:25.01 | bretonium | eskimo87: don't look at my reply |
| 15:25.13 | gevaerts | The idea is that having one project depend on the other is rather risky |
| 15:26.29 | ThomasWaldmann | the problem is that the org needs to be able to decide whether you have done a good job (or not). if you'ld do just random collaboration on same stuff, that might be hard to impossible. |
| 15:26.30 | gevaerts | Just consider if you'd like to fail just because another student you never met decided to go on holiday and abandon gsoc |
| 15:27.30 | eskimo87 | Oh okay, so I am the one who would apply for a project and work independently on that, with supervision from mentors; This is great because, I will be kinda owner of project, and success/failure of it depends solely on my contributions to it. |
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| 15:27.47 | gevaerts | That's the idea, yes |
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| 15:27.53 | eskimo87 | Thanks for the clarification! :) |
| 15:27.56 | pokoko222 | how do I learn to work with github? |
| 15:27.58 | ries | bye guys, we where not picked… may be next year |
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| 15:28.19 | JordiGH | pokoko222: Github has its own instructions. Have you found them? |
| 15:28.36 | pokoko222 | JordiGH: hmm not sure what you mean, link? |
| 15:29.00 | kernelhunter92 | ries, whicj=h organization? |
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| 15:29.21 | ThomasWaldmann | eskimo87: do you have a link for that project you think about? |
| 15:29.40 | JordiGH | pokoko222: http://help.github.com/ |
| 15:30.02 | eskimo87 | Not yet, as of now I have just identified a mentor organization with whom I would like to work with. |
| 15:30.03 | pokoko222 | JordiGH: it has all I need to know, no need to read books or other stuff? |
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| 15:30.43 | ThomasWaldmann | pokoko222: well, you likely should know (or learn) how to use git |
| 15:30.44 | JordiGH | pokoko222: git is a complex beast, and there are tons of books about it (and blog posts and wiki pages and tutorials and so on), but the github documentation should get you started. |
| 15:31.11 | pokoko222 | ok thanks ;) |
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| 15:31.44 | eskimo87 | @ThomasWaldmann: In my prev. reply I assumed you asked for link of specific project which I'd be working on; and not link of Organization |
| 15:32.02 | ThomasWaldmann | yes, correct |
| 15:33.24 | eskimo87 | ok, yeah, I still thinking about idea, nothing concrete yet. I guess I still have time to come up with a good idea. |
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| 15:34.45 | pokoko222 | I started reading documentation for a project I like, https://sites.google.com/site/openimageio/building-oiio-on-windows but it mentions using TortoiseSVN and the code is on github |
| 15:34.58 | pokoko222 | I am confused, should I somehow use github and TortoiseSVN together? |
| 15:35.03 | ThomasWaldmann | maybe outdated docs |
| 15:35.27 | ajs | pokoko222: no. SVN != Git |
| 15:35.41 | pokoko222 | ajs well yes I know but... |
| 15:35.43 | ajs | pokoko222: you might want to use TortoiseGit with GitHub |
| 15:36.07 | pokoko222 | oh ok thank you |
| 15:36.39 | pokoko222 | and with it you can download the trunk from github right? |
| 15:36.53 | ajs | yes... |
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| 15:38.11 | JordiGH | pokoko222: git doesn't have trunks. |
| 15:38.20 | bretonium | gevaerts: well, in fact I knew before the list was published the organisations which will be taking part in gsoc, like django, moin and debian. And have already read the ideas pages of all organistions. The next step will be getting their code and trying to understand some parts of it. But that's a lot of code to dig. |
| 15:38.28 | JordiGH | pokoko222: But the concept is somewhat similar... |
| 15:38.34 | ajs | JordiGH: ^ |
| 15:38.51 | ajs | don't confuse him too much |
| 15:38.59 | pokoko222 | JordiGH: do I need to know much about it to start coding? Would it be ok if I spend a day reading a book to learn github? |
| 15:39.08 | pokoko222 | or I should just download the code and get to coding |
| 15:39.22 | ajs | pokoko222: the best way to learn Git is to use it |
| 15:39.23 | JordiGH | pokoko222: Try to ignore git as much as possible and just start on the code. |
| 15:39.32 | pokoko222 | ok thank you guys |
| 15:40.07 | JordiGH | pokoko222: I don't think you should spend too much time at first trying to learn all the crazy things git can do. |
| 15:40.24 | pokoko222 | hehe ok :) |
| 15:40.36 | pokoko222 | will just download the code and start reading it |
| 15:40.47 | ThomasWaldmann | bretonium: you can just talk to the orgs/mentors. |
| 15:40.55 | eskimo87 | basic commands is all what you need to work with git: push, pull, & update! |
| 15:41.24 | bretonium | ThomasWaldmann: what about? |
| 15:41.32 | eskimo87 | and the sequence of their use! |
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| 15:42.00 | ThomasWaldmann | well, about ideas, hints, whatever you want to suggest / know |
| 15:42.31 | JordiGH | eskimo87: I'm not sure that's true. Unless you're the only person working on the code, you'll soon have to learn how to merge or rebase. But that can wait to be learned. |
| 15:42.48 | ThomasWaldmann | of course it is expected that you look at the code and docs also, run it, etc. but that doesn't need to be your only source of information |
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| 15:43.38 | eskimo87 | @JordigGH: yeah, indeed; but I meant they are enough to get started! :) |
| 15:45.17 | ThomasWaldmann | in general, good communication is a important part of doing a (SOC) project |
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| 15:46.20 | eskimo87 | any idea on approximately how much contribution(in terms of hours) on weekly basis would be sufficient/expected for/from student work? |
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| 15:46.50 | Guest31881 | 40 hours minimum, though I have found it to to be more than that. |
| 15:46.57 | JordiGH | eskimo87: A 40-hour week is the usual estimate. |
| 15:47.39 | eskimo87 | over the period from June 1st to mid August , right? |
| 15:48.11 | Guest31881 | Last week of May to mid-August (the timeline mentions this). |
| 15:48.16 | Guest31881 | eskimo87: http://google-melange.appspot.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2012 |
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| 15:49.53 | ThomasWaldmann | one should also invest quite some time in community bonding phase |
| 15:50.01 | eskimo87 | cool, thanks! :) |
| 15:50.47 | ThomasWaldmann | it is not as required as in coding phase, but if you can do a good preparation, that might be important for the success of your project |
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| 15:51.41 | ThomasWaldmann | often applications are a bit vague (due to the little time to make them), |
| 15:51.59 | Guest31881 | eskimo87: I had listen to what ThomasWaldmann says. It's good to start in the community bonding period itself. That way, you can even afford to take it a little easy during the actual coding period. |
| 15:52.38 | eskimo87 | what if a project requires access to/work on high-performance infrastructure? |
| 15:52.53 | ThomasWaldmann | but if you can do a good preparation in community bounding phase (and then REALLY KNOW what to code when coding starts), then you don't need to waste time in coding phase |
| 15:52.54 | eskimo87 | and you are not based in same location as of your mentor |
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| 15:54.11 | eskimo87 | e.g working with big-data |
| 15:54.13 | ThomasWaldmann | eskimo87: as being not at same place is the usual thing: ask them how they think it would work |
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| 15:54.48 | ajs | eskimo87: VPN maybe? |
| 15:55.26 | ThomasWaldmann | vpn, ssh, not-so-big-data, ... |
| 15:55.34 | eskimo87 | ok, so i think. basically mentor org will take care of providing remote access to infrastructure, if required.. |
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| 15:56.03 | ThomasWaldmann | at least they can't expect students being near or visiting them |
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| 15:58.19 | eskimo87 | thanks everyone for all clarification; am signing off - shall see u again with more questions! :) bye |
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| 16:07.49 | pokoko222 | today I plan to download the code compile it and read a little docs and maybe try a simple examples |
| 16:07.52 | pokoko222 | that would be a good day |
| 16:08.05 | pokoko222 | and tomorrow I could start with the code and maybe write some |
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| 16:08.54 | CMahaff | This is probably a long shot, but did anyone here participate in GSOC in the summer before their freshman year of college? |
| 16:09.21 | pokoko222 | CMahaff: heh I doubt :D |
| 16:09.33 | pokoko222 | but dont listen to me |
| 16:10.21 | CMahaff | Haha, I was planning to. But I'm afraid I'm not "good enough" to actually be able to contribute |
| 16:10.42 | CMahaff | I feel pretty overwhelmed by most of the projects |
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| 16:11.07 | pokoko222 | CMahaff: dont despair some actually dont have documentation and it is hard no matter what you do |
| 16:11.14 | pokoko222 | now I found a good project that is documented |
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| 16:11.19 | pokoko222 | things are different now |
| 16:11.36 | pokoko222 | I tried before to get in a project where nothing was documented, you could imagine the hell :D |
| 16:11.55 | pokoko222 | do dont despair, find a documented project... otherwise they are not worth it your time |
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| 16:13.03 | ajs | CMahaff: not good enough has nothing to do with it |
| 16:13.03 | pokoko222 | so dont despair ... ah not do* :D |
| 16:13.14 | ajs | CMahaff: I'm pretty sure it's all about effore |
| 16:13.22 | ajs | effort* |
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| 16:14.09 | ajs | That being said, I've not actually done GSoC yet; only GCI. |
| 16:14.15 | gevaerts | pokoko222: the less documented ones *are* worth the effort, because people will get a lot less competition from you :) |
| 16:14.59 | pokoko222 | gevaerts: hey sure go enjoy those projects ;) I found myself a documented one |
| 16:15.30 | gevaerts | pokoko222: I'm not a student :) |
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| 16:16.02 | pokoko222 | gevaerts: I thought so ;) |
| 16:16.11 | pokoko222 | a student always wants a documented project hehe |
| 16:16.14 | pokoko222 | otherwise it is hell |
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| 16:16.28 | CMahaff | Well, for example, I saw one idea tagged "easy" under LibreOffice. It involved making an Android app that controlled slideshows. I know Java pretty well (taking the AP Test this Spring) and I've been learning Android dev. But I don't know if, with my limited knowledge of C++, I could understand something as complex as libre office. |
| 16:16.39 | CMahaff | I'm just terrified by the prospect of being a detriment |
| 16:16.44 | CMahaff | (sorry for the wall of text) |
| 16:16.56 | gevaerts | pokoko222: I thought the point was to learn to deal with real-world code. Avoid those documented projects if at all possible, they're not representative! |
| 16:17.26 | pokoko222 | gevaerts: well I gotta start somewhere I can't go pro all of a sudden |
| 16:17.29 | gevaerts | CMahaff: I'd be surprised if you need to understand much of libreoffice internals for that |
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| 16:18.29 | CMahaff | you think? I know they have a section of "easy hacks" you need to complete to be considered |
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| 16:19.12 | gevaerts | If they tag it as easy, I'd expect a more or less documented (or at least reasonably small) API for that |
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| 16:20.20 | CMahaff | true, true |
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| 16:20.40 | CMahaff | I guess I should try an "easy hack" for starters. If I can do that, I should be okay |
| 16:20.45 | CMahaff | have to install Linux though |
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| 16:21.56 | gevaerts | Consider using a VM for that, if you're not used to ir |
| 16:21.58 | gevaerts | *it |
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| 16:23.37 | CMahaff | Afraid computer is too slow for a VM. Have Ubuntu installed on my sister's netbook I bought her. Might edit the code on my computer and build it there. |
| 16:23.53 | CMahaff | will be getting a new coputer soon, then the one I'm on will have Ubuntu as well |
| 16:24.03 | CMahaff | soon-ish |
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| 16:26.29 | rafaelmartins | build *office in a netbook is painful |
| 16:26.51 | CMahaff | too slow? |
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| 16:31.03 | CMahaff | Well, thanks for the information everyone. I'll think about it. GSOC is a wonderful program, I'd like to do it at least once, if not this year then later. Thanks. |
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| 16:34.14 | pokoko222 | I am reading how to build on window for a project https://sites.google.com/site/openimageio/building-oiio-on-windows . I dont have much experience with git, but it talks about folders trunk and build |
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| 16:34.25 | pokoko222 | but I cloned the repo and there are no such folders |
| 16:35.10 | pokoko222 | https://github.com/OpenImageIO/oiio as you can see in the repo there are no such folders |
| 16:35.18 | pokoko222 | there are just src, site and testsuite |
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| 16:38.43 | ThomasWaldmann | pokoko222: maybe ask the project if they have current docs for that somewhere |
| 16:38.54 | pokoko222 | I asked on mailing list |
| 16:38.57 | pokoko222 | they dont have irc |
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| 16:39.39 | ThomasWaldmann | but i think you can maybe assume that gitrepo == trunk |
| 16:40.07 | ThomasWaldmann | (or rather "git work dir") |
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| 16:41.04 | ajs | ThomasWaldmann: master maybe? |
| 16:43.11 | pokoko222 | ThomasWaldmann yes I would do so |
| 16:43.24 | pokoko222 | and probably the other folder build is created by cmake later on |
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| 16:46.40 | vikash | Where can I find the ideas page for Google Open Source Programs Office |
| 16:47.18 | desti_T2 | i guess you need to go to them with your idea |
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| 16:47.43 | vikash | And how to contact, Any idea? |
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| 16:49.34 | YannP | Hi, I'm a french student and this is the first time that i want to participate at the gsoc. I don't know how it really works. Now we have organizations list, mentors have to propose their projects but it's March 26th that students will have to suscribe for projects that's it? |
| 16:50.25 | gevaerts | YannP: have a look at the student guide |
| 16:50.30 | gevaerts | !studentguide | YannP |
| 16:50.30 | gsocbot | YannP: "studentguide" is http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ |
| 16:50.48 | YannP | ok, thank you |
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| 18:20.06 | Applify | hi |
| 18:21.02 | unknownbliss | hi |
| 18:21.20 | unknownbliss | don't ask to ask, just ask. ;) |
| 18:22.15 | Applify | hehe, yea...the timeline says 26th is when the application period opens. Is that different from what applications orgs are providing now? |
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| 18:23.14 | dhaun | Applify: from the 26th on, you can use the website to submit a proposal, but you'd better start talking to orgs now |
| 18:23.24 | chrisoelmueller | to participate, you will have to apply through melange. this is possible from 26th onwards, but you can (and should!) of course contact the orgs you are interested in right now |
| 18:24.18 | Applify | But there are some orgs who have an application form link on their melange profile page. Hows that different from the form thatll come out on 26th? |
| 18:25.03 | unknownbliss | Thats for mentors |
| 18:26.19 | dhaun | I don't think there's any form on google-melange yet, but the orgs are probably giving you a preview of the sort of questions they are going to ask in the actual application form, once that's live |
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| 18:26.50 | Applify | ok I think I might be mixing them up with the mentor forms... |
| 18:26.57 | dhaun | oh yeah, and there's an application button for mentors, as unknownbliss said |
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| 18:27.33 | dhaun | I was talking about the "application template", e.g. like here: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/google/gsoc2012/boinc |
| 18:27.40 | gevaerts | !studentguide | Applify |
| 18:27.40 | gsocbot | Applify: "studentguide" is http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ |
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| 18:28.21 | Applify | gevaerts: Ive read that. Thx. |
| 18:28.50 | Applify | dhaun: Thx. Sry for the confusion. |
| 18:29.08 | dhaun | Applify: np, it was me who was confused :) |
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| 18:29.59 | unknownbliss | !mentorguide | test |
| 18:29.59 | gsocbot | unknownbliss: Error: No such user. |
| 18:30.13 | unknownbliss | !mentorguide | unknownbliss |
| 18:30.13 | gsocbot | unknownbliss: "mentorguide" is http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCMentoring/ |
| 18:30.16 | unknownbliss | interesting |
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| 18:31.44 | tomprince | Also, I think the melange application form is entirely freeform, but what is filled out should match the organization's template. |
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| 20:53.16 | unknownbliss | Are team members for an organisation allowed to do their GSoC assignment with that organisation? |
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| 20:55.12 | ojwb | unknownbliss: if they are otherwise eligible, that's up to the org |
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| 20:55.51 | ojwb | some say not as they prefer to encourage new blood, others allow it |
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| 23:21.21 | stardust | Hello! |
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| 23:23.28 | stardust | Is Google Summer of Code for experienced programmers? |
| 23:24.28 | vulcode | it's for everyone who knows programming |
| 23:24.43 | stardust | I recently found out about the Google Summer of Code program, but unfortunately I only know basic HTML and learning some Python right now. I didn't start the programming courses in my university yet. |
| 23:24.57 | stardust | Ok, thanks for answering vulcode. |
| 23:25.04 | ojwb | !amigoodenough | stardust |
| 23:25.05 | gsocbot | stardust: "amigoodenough" is http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ch003_am-i-good-enough/ |
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| 23:28.44 | stardust | Thanks for that link ojwb, but with the knowledge of basic HTML I can't imagine any organization accepting me. It's pretty easy for anyone to do that. :) |
| 23:29.25 | ojwb | just HTML isn't going to work, as that's not really coding and the projects have to have a coding focus |
| 23:29.43 | ojwb | basic python might be enough, I don't really know |
| 23:30.10 | vulcode | try next year....now there is no time to learn anything new |
| 23:30.13 | ojwb | I know it wouldn't be for any of our projects, but there's a lot of variety between different orgs |
| 23:30.29 | vulcode | or if you want to try now....start preparing |
| 23:30.37 | ojwb | would suggest getting involved in an open source project, but outside of gsoc |
| 23:30.50 | vulcode | even if you are not selected, it will help you a lot (next year) |
| 23:30.52 | vulcode | :) |
| 23:31.09 | ojwb | it's a good way to learn skills, and you'll have more idea how things operate |
| 23:34.15 | stardust | All my programming classes actually start near the end of the year, and I'll also be done with my Uni by then too. Good point ojwb, I think I'll just get involved in open source after completing my programming courses. |
| 23:34.39 | stardust | Since I'll be done with college I won't be able to apply next year. |
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