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| 00:00.16 | noidea_ | hello |
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| 00:14.06 | qballer | HI |
| 00:14.19 | qballer | Alright I have 5 final projects I want to work on |
| 00:15.01 | qballer | Noe I need to reach out to all communities |
| 00:15.06 | qballer | Now* |
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| 00:15.32 | noidea_ | should i ask my Q here at the public room? |
| 00:16.40 | noidea_ | should i put my Q here at the public room? |
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| 00:17.37 | tomprince | noidea_: Don't ask to ask, just ask. |
| 00:17.43 | censorydep | +1 |
| 00:18.22 | qballer | Shoot |
| 00:19.08 | noidea_ | merci |
| 00:19.11 | noidea_ | i haven't been enrolled at my college for a couple of years, but i think i can consider myself accepted (i'm only one course away of finish my studies, and i was planning to do that by the second half of this year) ...can i apply to gsoc? |
| 00:21.11 | censorydep | I'm not a GSoC rules expert, and carols is offline, but I'd guess that what really matters is whether your *university* considers you to be enrolled, and if they'd be willing to provide documents to that effect. |
| 00:21.53 | brlcad | not only enrolled, but also "full-time" status, which is sometimes a separate distinction |
| 00:22.18 | brlcad | qballer: is one of them BRL-CAD? :) |
| 00:22.58 | qballer | Nope... amm should I look in to that? |
| 00:24.20 | noidea_ | thank you people |
| 00:24.22 | brlcad | it depends on your interests of course, I'd be biased to answer otherwise |
| 00:24.40 | qballer | Well since you are here, I'll look in to it. |
| 00:24.45 | brlcad | if it covers an area of interest, we have a lot of interesting projects ;) |
| 00:27.05 | qballer | Grahpics is less my thing actually. I'm less interested in that ,,, Modeling can be nice, In the sense of networking |
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| 00:32.52 | iRitwik | I have a question. Does applying to multiple projects, say for eg. 4 or 5, deter your chance of getting accepted. I am a beginner with this so wouldn't it be a nice idea to apply to several small projects? |
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| 00:33.35 | ojwb | iRitwik: the problem is it's hard to write that many good proposals in the time available |
| 00:34.17 | ojwb | 2 seems a good number to me |
| 00:34.26 | ojwb | more than 3 seems counterproductive |
| 00:35.41 | iRitwik | ojwb: Thanks for your answer. But as I said, I am a beginner and I might go for mostly algorithm implementation projects wherein most of the work would center at reading research papers and implementing. So would these sort of projects need time for writing proposals? |
| 00:36.04 | iRitwik | I mean I'm no expert. It is a first time experience so I just asked |
| 00:36.20 | ojwb | a good proposal takes time whatever the project is |
| 00:36.32 | ThomasWaldmann | not sure how many "algorithm impl. projects" there are |
| 00:36.41 | ojwb | a lot of orgs have a qualifying task too |
| 00:36.58 | ojwb | often something like submitting a patch for a bug fix |
| 00:37.09 | iRitwik | ojwb: Thank you so much for the information :) |
| 00:37.41 | iRitwik | ThomasWaldmann: Oh, there are plenty. I came across at least five during the last couple of days. |
| 00:37.49 | ojwb | you can only actually do one project, so why apply for 5 |
| 00:37.55 | ThomasWaldmann | iRitwik: i also would not recommend doing too many applications. orgs usually want to see that you have looked at the task, that you have ideas about it, etc. that takes time. |
| 00:38.29 | iRitwik | Thanks a lot both of you for the advice! :) |
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| 00:38.38 | ThomasWaldmann | if you just c&p from their ideas page, and add your cv, you're going nowhere. |
| 00:38.42 | ojwb | i think all of our best applications last year hadn't applied elsewhere |
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| 00:41.28 | ThomasWaldmann | and yes, we also expect some bugfix or little code contribution so people show that they can use the code |
| 00:42.30 | ThomasWaldmann | and, depending on the applications (amount and quality), I also have a little coding task in mind so people can show how they solve a complete little task |
| 00:43.05 | brlcad | qballer: certainly plenty of non-graphics projects -- signal processing, science, math, even networking |
| 00:43.23 | qballer | Networking? |
| 00:43.58 | brlcad | yeah, you don't exist for a couple decades without needing networking, right? |
| 00:44.02 | brlcad | :) |
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| 00:44.55 | qballer | what is the project room? lets not get in the way of other brlcad guys |
| 00:45.07 | qballer | gsoc* |
| 00:45.46 | brlcad | #brlcad ;) |
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| 00:50.38 | pokoko222 | I have some questions related to "make" building. Why do I need make, I already have the source code |
| 00:51.41 | pokoko222 | another question is how many times will I use make, only once at start? |
| 00:51.50 | pokoko222 | for example I will work with NetBeans on Ubuntu |
| 00:51.53 | qballer | Where is make Mentioned ? |
| 00:52.03 | pokoko222 | I will use make just the first time and then I will do everything in NetBeans? |
| 00:52.36 | pokoko222 | for example I am interested in this project https://sites.google.com/site/openimageio/checking-out-and-building-openimageio |
| 00:52.42 | pokoko222 | and it talks about make in short |
| 00:52.45 | pokoko222 | very short actually |
| 00:52.54 | pokoko222 | I actually can't beleive I just need to execute one command |
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| 00:53.49 | Al_Da_Best | Make will trigger a makefile to be used which contains more commands |
| 00:54.29 | pokoko222 | Al_Da_Best: will I use make just once at start? |
| 00:54.43 | pokoko222 | or I will have to use it each time I change the code and want to build? |
| 00:56.02 | Al_Da_Best | You may need to use it every time the source changes |
| 00:56.15 | Al_Da_Best | NetBeans may be able to do it for you |
| 00:57.36 | pokoko222 | on this page https://sites.google.com/site/openimageio/checking-out-and-building-openimageio there are instructions for using make |
| 00:57.44 | pokoko222 | and basically it is just one command "make" |
| 00:57.48 | pokoko222 | is it that simple? |
| 00:58.03 | pokoko222 | you basically navigate to the folder and call make |
| 00:58.51 | Al_Da_Best | Yep |
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| 00:59.22 | Al_Da_Best | When rebuilding, you may want to do "make clean" then "make", clean will remove the results from the previous make |
| 01:00.12 | pokoko222 | can I just call make each time |
| 01:00.18 | pokoko222 | is the cleaning a must? |
| 01:00.57 | qballer | Nope |
| 01:01.13 | qballer | but it makes things clean and nice and deletes old compiled files. |
| 01:01.42 | qballer | make isn't that big of a deal. |
| 01:02.00 | pokoko222 | ok I will make notes of this |
| 01:02.02 | pokoko222 | thank you guys |
| 01:02.17 | qballer | you make that happen ;) |
| 01:03.06 | Al_Da_Best | You'll get used to it after using it a couple of times, don't worry |
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| 01:05.34 | pokoko222 | I have actually used it on windows, I am kinda scared now using it in Ubuntu for some reason |
| 01:05.34 | downey | looks around for some tea |
| 01:05.43 | pokoko222 | I expect all kinds of commands thrown at me :) |
| 01:05.47 | Al_Da_Best | :P |
| 01:06.08 | pokoko222 | anyways about git, you guys are registered for free? |
| 01:06.19 | pokoko222 | because I see there are accounts that are not free |
| 01:07.12 | Al_Da_Best | It's free for open source, not for commercial |
| 01:07.46 | pokoko222 | if I am involved in a project for gsoc should I have my real name and surname for account name? |
| 01:07.48 | pokoko222 | on git |
| 01:08.02 | Al_Da_Best | No idea :) |
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| 01:09.15 | JordiGH | pokoko222: Generally yes, people use birth names on free projects. Sometimes, rarely, it's a requirement. Most people will accept pseudonyms if you insist on privacy. |
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| 01:10.03 | JordiGH | I think we only have one pseudonym in my project (Octave). |
| 01:10.37 | JordiGH | Al_Da_Best: Open source is frequently commercial, so contrasting open source with commercial as if they were mutually exclusive is a confusion of terms. |
| 01:11.02 | Al_Da_Best | That's true, I was just going off what's on the website |
| 01:11.09 | pokoko222 | I dont know if it is a good question to ask on mailing list |
| 01:11.59 | JordiGH | pokoko222: "There are no dumb questions." Don't be afraid. Most projects don't bite, especially if they've been accepted by Google (Google doesn't like unfriendly projects). |
| 01:12.33 | pokoko222 | it is really project specific question anyways, I guess I will ask |
| 01:12.37 | pokoko222 | guys have been nice so far |
| 01:12.52 | downey | there are no dumb questions but there are smart questions :) |
| 01:13.01 | downey | http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 01:13.07 | Cheezmeister | Haha |
| 01:14.02 | JordiGH | So, this makes me wonder, has OpenBSD ever been a part of GSoC? |
| 01:15.18 | pokoko222 | let's say I make small change in the project, I will have to rebuild each time? |
| 01:15.31 | pokoko222 | each time use make and wait like half an hour to compile? :D |
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| 01:16.19 | JordiGH | pokoko222: Some projects, yes, the build system is deeply entwined. |
| 01:16.37 | pokoko222 | so I change one int and then wait half an hour :D |
| 01:16.41 | censorydep | pokoko222: http://xkcd.com/303/ |
| 01:16.42 | pokoko222 | oh dear |
| 01:16.44 | JordiGH | Also depends how deeply you patch. If you touch a file that every other file depends on, then you'll spend a lot of time rebuilding. |
| 01:17.04 | pokoko222 | censorydep: haha :D |
| 01:17.23 | pokoko222 | so there is nothing from my side to be done |
| 01:17.33 | pokoko222 | I just have to hope make will somehow notice that there is only a small change |
| 01:17.41 | pokoko222 | and maybe make things faster |
| 01:19.50 | pokoko222 | another problem I have now is |
| 01:19.56 | pokoko222 | on the page they say install boost |
| 01:20.28 | pokoko222 | I am on ubuntu and there is no boost package, there are lot of boost stuff though like libboost, libbost-dbg and other names related |
| 01:20.29 | JordiGH | If you're on an apt-based distro, that's already packaged. It's probably packaged for everything else. |
| 01:20.48 | JordiGH | pokoko222: I believe there's libboost-dev or something like that. |
| 01:21.09 | pokoko222 | yes ok I will install that |
| 01:22.24 | pokoko222 | they mention lots of other packages like glew, openexr... |
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| 01:22.39 | pokoko222 | I should be looking for packages with description "development files" ? |
| 01:23.14 | thebolt | Hello |
| 01:23.21 | JordiGH | It's a naming convention in Debian packages. -dev means a package with header files or other files that you use to build other packages or to compile against. |
| 01:24.02 | pokoko222 | https://sites.google.com/site/openimageio/checking-out-and-building-openimageio look at external dependencies |
| 01:24.11 | pokoko222 | they mention Boost, GLEW, IlmBase and OpenEXR, IJG's libjpeg, libpng, libtiff, zlib, and Qt |
| 01:24.17 | pokoko222 | how do you know what to install for each? |
| 01:24.45 | pokoko222 | in synaptic usually you dont find them like that all in one package with the given name |
| 01:24.54 | JordiGH | Do "apt-cache search" for each of those and look for packages that end with -dev |
| 01:25.04 | JordiGH | Thse are probably the ones you want. |
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| 01:26.27 | pokoko222 | ok thank you ;) |
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| 01:28.20 | JordiGH | pokoko222: imageio is already packaged. Try this instead: "apt-get build-dep libjai-imageio-core-java" |
| 01:28.43 | JordiGH | Is that the same library? I didn't look. |
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| 01:33.58 | pokoko222 | synanptic installs stuff I cant check now |
| 01:34.10 | pokoko222 | hmm, packaged, you mean it might have everything in one place? |
| 01:34.57 | pokoko222 | ah but it says java |
| 01:35.00 | pokoko222 | nope it is not that one |
| 01:35.15 | pokoko222 | this is all c++ and little python i think... |
| 01:35.23 | pokoko222 | it is openimageio |
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| 01:36.33 | JordiGH | I guess it's not packaged, then...? That's very odd. |
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| 01:45.47 | pokoko222 | it would be nice if you could install everything just once |
| 01:45.59 | pokoko222 | like this I have to install like 10 packages and probably I will miss something |
| 01:48.01 | JordiGH | Yes, if it were packaged, someone would have already figured out the build deps. |
| 01:48.48 | JordiGH | I'm surprised it isn't. |
| 01:49.01 | JordiGH | Almost any free software worth its salt is packaged for Debian. |
| 01:49.43 | pokoko222 | is it ok if I ask on mailing list which specific things I need to install for each |
| 01:49.54 | pokoko222 | maybe just the -dev wont be enough for each |
| 01:49.58 | JordiGH | Sure. |
| 01:50.01 | pokoko222 | ok... |
| 01:50.16 | JordiGH | If those instructions are in a wiki, you might also want to update that wiki. |
| 01:52.16 | pokoko222 | hehe |
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| 02:01.55 | pokoko222 | gotta go JordiGH thanks a lot for helping |
| 02:02.00 | pokoko222 | cya soon |
| 02:02.04 | JordiGH | np ttyl |
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| 05:29.31 | dnivra | klocatelli: time zone matters I guess :) |
| 05:30.12 | klocatelli | I guess |
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| 06:07.27 | pokoko222 | how do I know how much to write in the application |
| 06:07.35 | pokoko222 | for example http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/google/gsoc2012/openimageio |
| 06:07.49 | pokoko222 | they say detail relevant experience |
| 06:08.00 | pokoko222 | should I do it in paragraph, can I do a whole page... |
| 06:08.03 | pokoko222 | how does it go |
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| 06:10.05 | Blu3fRoG | ........ |
| 06:10.40 | klocatelli | pokoko222, you probably want to ask that organization. |
| 06:11.42 | klocatelli | but generally you should probably keep it brief like a resume |
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| 06:12.49 | pokoko222 | where can I see examples of filled in templates |
| 06:13.03 | ojwb | pokoko222: see the student guide |
| 06:13.34 | ojwb | they should give you an idea, but each org has its own template |
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| 06:14.46 | ojwb | though a few may still not provide a template I guess |
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| 06:29.40 | Cris_Aaron | I'm probably just going to modify my resume a little, and go from there |
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| 06:34.15 | macha | in timeline it says "Would-be student participants discuss application ideas with mentoring organizations" during 15-25th march. how do we approach organisations? can any one help? |
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| 06:39.27 | ojwb | macha: there are contact methods on the page for each org |
| 06:40.19 | ojwb | Cris_Aaron: while I can't speak for all admins or mentors, I care more about what you can show me you can do than what you might claim to have done |
| 06:41.18 | Cris_Aaron | How do I demonstrate that best, in general? |
| 06:41.40 | ojwb | a patch to fix a bug is great, if you're able |
| 06:41.43 | Cris_Aaron | A fair number of these projects are stuff I've had some experience with, but not a lot |
| 06:41.57 | ojwb | it shows you've managed to download and build the code, and find the right place to do something |
| 06:42.57 | macha | ojwb: thanks. |
| 06:43.02 | ojwb | or show me a protoype of a small first step towards implementing the project |
| 06:45.10 | Cris_Aaron | So get started on the projects I'm interested on, at least a little, and show I can understand what's going on, more or less? |
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| 06:47.36 | ojwb | yeah |
| 06:49.18 | ojwb | and it's OK to ask questions to achieve these things too |
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| 08:07.16 | pc_magas | Hello these days now should I contact with mentors right? |
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| 08:09.26 | SukhE | pc_magas: Yes. This is would be the right time to do it. |
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| 08:13.08 | ericb2 | hello |
| 08:13.37 | ericb2 | is it possible to provide a link on this channel ? |
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| 08:21.57 | ericb2 | Just FYI : http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.apache.incubator.ooo.devel/14538 |
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| 08:46.50 | oooo | hello, I want to know what if I am not too sure about some of the details in the idea list |
| 08:47.29 | oooo | Can I email to the mentor in charge and ask for more imformation? thanks |
| 08:48.17 | maxpagel | of course you can, that's what the present orientation and project planing phase is all about :-) |
| 08:48.22 | |Kev| | It's usually better to ask in public. |
| 08:48.27 | |Kev| | In the IRC channel or mailing list. |
| 08:48.43 | |Kev| | But yes, you are expected to get in contact with the projects to work out details. |
| 08:48.53 | oooo | thanks |
| 08:49.02 | oooo | I think I will email him again |
| 08:49.26 | |Kev| | Just remember that emailing people directly without a good reason is often considered bad form. |
| 08:49.45 | ojwb | and emailing them repeatedly without giving them a chance to reply is annoying |
| 08:49.52 | oooo | well, maybe my first email is not too clear |
| 08:49.54 | ojwb | most mentors have real jobs |
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| 08:50.59 | oooo | OMG, empathy crashed with a right click :( |
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| 08:51.26 | |Kev| | Send a patch, then :) |
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| 08:52.13 | oooo | only the talking window clashed |
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| 08:53.58 | oooo | by the way, can you give some suggestion on writing a polite email? |
| 08:54.08 | oooo | Thanks in advance :-) |
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| 13:12.44 | akki | hi |
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| 13:15.21 | ryao | I just received an email from someone interested in doing my GSoC idea, which was incredibly quick. Does anyone have any tips for a new mentor on how to handle this? |
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| 13:16.25 | ryao | And by quick, I mean within 24 hours of the idea going up. |
| 13:17.00 | mikhas | ryao, dont help too much with the student's application |
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| 13:17.22 | mikhas | if you do, you will distort the result and the student looks better than he might be in reality |
| 13:17.35 | gevaerts | That depends |
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| 13:17.50 | gevaerts | If you're in a large organisation, that's true |
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| 13:18.22 | mikhas | you mean were you expect many applications for one idea? |
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| 13:18.30 | gevaerts | But if you're in a small organisation you'll presumably be rather heavily involved in the final ranking, and you'll know |
| 13:18.49 | ryao | I don't know how to handle it if more than one person is interested it. :/ |
| 13:18.55 | ryao | s/it/in it/ |
| 13:19.01 | ojwb | helping is ok, but it needs to be them writing it, not you |
| 13:19.08 | ojwb | ryao: pick the best one! |
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| 13:19.18 | mikhas | in any case, I would first let them go for bit, but offer advice, *if* they ask |
| 13:19.31 | ojwb | if they're interested this early, that's a positive indicator |
| 13:19.36 | mikhas | ryao, do you have an application template for students? |
| 13:19.37 | gevaerts | I'd say point out weak points, but don't immediately suggest solutions |
| 13:19.49 | ryao | mikhas: Me personally or my organization? |
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| 13:20.26 | mikhas | dunno, probably your org |
| 13:20.38 | ryao | I need to ask. I am trying to get in touch with the administrator. |
| 13:21.13 | ryao | I am a new developer and mentoring is a new experience for me. |
| 13:21.18 | mikhas | ryao, in that first e-mail, I would try to ask some open questions, so that the student can give longer replies already |
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| 13:21.48 | mikhas | you will do fine |
| 13:21.56 | ryao | mikhas: Thanks. |
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| 13:23.07 | mikhas | ask how he found out about your project, why this idea interests him, how he thinks the idea could be implemented, whether he has some ideas for a prototype already, … |
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| 13:23.19 | mikhas | something in that direction |
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| 13:24.36 | mikhas | I think it's like gevaerts said, dont hand out the answers right away ;-) |
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| 13:25.52 | gevaerts | Oh, and if this is a private conversation, I'd try to get it to a mailing list, although that's rather project-dependent |
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| 13:27.46 | ryao | gevaerts: Thanks for the tip. |
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| 14:02.59 | pokoko222 | I get error with git Permission denied (publickey). |
| 14:03.09 | pokoko222 | when I try to clone a repo |
| 14:04.20 | sbook | Are you trying to work off of GitHub? |
| 14:04.59 | pokoko222 | Yes I want to clone the repo to my pc |
| 14:05.04 | denials | notes that http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ has "<book-title/>" in <title> :) |
| 14:05.59 | sbook | You need to set up an public key for yourself and add it to your github account… or clone over https |
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| 14:25.00 | lcc | I'm a community college student, do I qualify for gsoc? |
| 14:26.27 | dadkins | !faq | lcc |
| 14:26.27 | gsocbot | lcc: "faq" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs |
| 14:26.51 | Uzix | It's possible to submit several applications to different organizations? |
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| 14:27.14 | gevaerts | Uzix: yes |
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| 14:28.05 | gevaerts | Don't overdo it though, good applications need time |
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| 15:12.01 | fcerullo | hi there |
| 15:12.45 | fcerullo | im the owasp gsoc admin if you have any questions about the projects |
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| 15:45.27 | ben_endpoint | What is the date on which the number of slots assigned to each program is decided? |
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| 15:48.36 | gevaerts | ben_endpoint: that's gradual. You'll get a preliminary number at some point (not sure if this is before or after the student application deadline), based on lots of things including the numbers you provide. The numbers are final just after the deduplication meeting |
| 15:48.57 | ben_endpoint | Thanks |
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| 16:45.27 | LordDoskias | can i see the accepted organisations without logging/registering on this? |
| 16:45.43 | sfb | Yes |
| 16:45.59 | Al_Da_Best | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2012 |
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| 16:48.08 | LordDoskias | thanks |
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| 16:54.08 | nenjordi | is back. |
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| 16:54.48 | JordiGH | The main difference of IRC is that it resists spam and other common security risks? |
| 16:55.45 | gevaerts | JordiGH: what do you mean? |
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| 16:56.15 | gevaerts | Al_Da_Best: git!=github, by the way. I know you didn't start that, but still :) |
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| 16:56.53 | JordiGH | gevaerts: That's debatable. ;-) |
| 16:57.29 | gevaerts | What is? IRC or git? |
| 16:57.32 | gevaerts | (or both) |
| 16:57.52 | JordiGH | That git isn't github. |
| 16:58.01 | gevaerts | How is that debatable? |
| 16:58.03 | JordiGH | If it weren't for github, I'm sure git would be far less popular. |
| 16:58.19 | kai | heyas folks |
| 16:58.27 | mikhas | there is gitorious, git.kernel.org and many other things beside github |
| 16:58.35 | JordiGH | mikhas: Far less popular. |
| 16:58.37 | Al_Da_Best | Yeah I realise that, wasn't quite thinking straight at 1am :D |
| 16:58.42 | mikhas | kernel? less popular? |
| 16:58.44 | mikhas | right |
| 16:58.47 | gevaerts | Maybe, but how is that an argument for git and github being interchangeable words? |
| 16:58.53 | kai | JordiGH: I commit more things to non-github repos |
| 16:59.00 | JordiGH | gevaerts: That wasn't an argument, it was a winkie smiley. |
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| 16:59.10 | gevaerts | Ah, indeed it was :) |
| 16:59.10 | kai | like git.samba.org |
| 16:59.11 | mikhas | many projects have their own git infra |
| 16:59.39 | gevaerts | waits for pokoko222 to join to correct the source of this thing :) |
| 16:59.43 | kai | or crazy secret internal git servers with black helicopters involved |
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| 17:00.17 | JordiGH | kai: Are you popular? |
| 17:00.24 | gevaerts | JordiGH: he is, yes |
| 17:00.40 | JordiGH | isn't. |
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| 17:00.49 | gevaerts | At rockbox we also have our own setup |
| 17:01.04 | JordiGH | gevaerts: And the IRC thing is just from the mailing list. |
| 17:01.17 | JordiGH | I thought it was a cute description of IRC. Like IM but without spam. |
| 17:01.45 | gevaerts | finds it |
| 17:01.50 | gevaerts | Yes, that is cute :) |
| 17:01.54 | JordiGH | It's actually a repost. |
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| 17:03.12 | kai | actually, it's more that IRC is less popular these days, so there's less people spammingit |
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| 17:04.19 | JordiGH | We need an irchub. |
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| 17:05.25 | kai | a fancy web interface for irc written in ruby? |
| 17:05.45 | JordiGH | Now you're talking.. |
| 17:05.56 | gevaerts | As far as I can see, the security benefits as explained in that email come down to confusing a protocol with specific client software |
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| 17:06.16 | JordiGH | At least it's not like our beloved numb3rs' explanation of IRC. |
| 17:06.30 | JordiGH | That one's real popular in IRC cocktail parties. |
| 17:07.22 | kai | JordiGH: it's great |
| 17:07.30 | kai | and I'm on a sailboat |
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| 17:07.37 | JordiGH | :-) |
| 17:08.04 | kai | It's pronounced Eye-Arrrrr-See for a reason.. |
| 17:09.08 | JordiGH | hahahah |
| 17:09.12 | JordiGH | That's a new one. |
| 17:09.43 | kai | I sure hope so, I just came up with it :) |
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| 17:09.56 | kai | ahoy carols |
| 17:10.12 | JordiGH | Where are the public logs for this channel? |
| 17:10.22 | carols | hi kai |
| 17:10.29 | gevaerts | JordiGH: http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
| 17:10.42 | JordiGH | Спасибо. |
| 17:10.52 | gevaerts | I think gsocbot knows that too, but I can never remember the right incantation |
| 17:11.00 | scorche|sh | !logs |
| 17:11.01 | gsocbot | scorche|sh: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
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| 17:11.37 | gevaerts | That's *four* letters! There are 456976 ways to arrange that many! |
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| 17:14.31 | diode | hii |
| 17:15.03 | JordiGH | !slog |
| 17:15.06 | JordiGH | dangit |
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| 17:16.49 | kai | !learn slog as %23gsoc/http://ibot.rikers.org/ |
| 17:16.51 | gsocbot | kai: "slog" is %23gsoc/http://ibot.rikers.org/ |
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| 17:28.52 | carols | serves some tea and coffee |
| 17:29.06 | |Kev| | serves chocolate. |
| 17:29.45 | gevaerts | decides to put tea, coffee and chocolate in a mug, stir well, and taste |
| 17:30.02 | |Kev| | gevaerts: A better plan if you leave out the tea and coffee, IMNSHO. |
| 17:30.22 | gevaerts | |Kev|: where's your scientific curiosity? |
| 17:30.46 | |Kev| | I have conducted many experiments over the years. I dislike tea, and dislke coffee in drink form. |
| 17:31.38 | gevaerts | You're right. Coffee should be strong enough not to be too liquid! |
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| 17:33.55 | tomprince | Coffee is only good in chocolate. (And vice versa, or with curry) |
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| 17:49.34 | pokoko222 | I have built the project I am interested in |
| 17:49.41 | pokoko222 | but now I dont know how to edit it |
| 17:49.51 | pokoko222 | I have NetBeans on Ubuntu |
| 17:49.51 | |Kev| | Chat to them. |
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| 17:50.08 | pokoko222 | There is not one project file you could open like with visual studio :) |
| 17:50.12 | pokoko222 | ok I will ask them |
| 17:50.15 | ujjwal | which open source have you use for ur project ?\ |
| 17:51.00 | pokoko222 | ujjwal: what do you mean? |
| 17:51.24 | ujjwal | basically, what project have u made ? |
| 17:52.08 | pokoko222 | openimageio |
| 17:52.15 | pokoko222 | want a link? |
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| 17:53.31 | kai | I'd assume that most open source projects don't have project files you can open with visual studio ;) |
| 17:53.47 | pokoko222 | kai yes but how do I make changes now |
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| 17:53.58 | pokoko222 | I am used to opening projects in NetBeans or whatever |
| 17:54.04 | pokoko222 | I dont know what to open now :) |
| 17:54.46 | kai | no idea, don't know your project |
| 17:55.01 | pokoko222 | kai is it ok to ask such question on mail list, is it dumb? |
| 17:55.07 | kai | usually there'd be a java source file for the class you want to change |
| 17:55.12 | pokoko222 | no it is c++ |
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| 17:55.25 | pokoko222 | and you just edit that file? |
| 17:55.32 | kai | oh. ok then, same thing. :) |
| 17:55.37 | pokoko222 | but how will you debug then |
| 17:55.45 | pokoko222 | if you just open it in notepad or something |
| 17:56.26 | Darrow | Reading compiler errors like a boss. |
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| 17:56.39 | kai | well, I'd use a real editor |
| 17:56.54 | kai | meaning one that at least does syntax highlighting |
| 17:56.57 | pokoko222 | kai yes but you got my point I think, you wont be able to debug and step through the code |
| 17:57.03 | pokoko222 | if you just edit one file like that |
| 17:57.12 | pokoko222 | I use NetBeans on ubuntu |
| 17:57.16 | chrisoelmueller | http://netbeans.org/kb/docs/cnd/debugging.html <== how about that? |
| 17:57.29 | chrisoelmueller | google turns out to be really useful for finding information at times |
| 17:57.37 | |Kev| | Strangely, I'm regressing in $EDITORs. I recently dropped back to Emacs, and have now dropped back to vim again. Taking me back to about 2001. |
| 17:57.43 | pokoko222 | chrisoelmueller: haha yes but there is no project to debug here |
| 17:58.38 | chrisoelmueller | well i assume of there is no such file and you need it, then your best bet is to build it somehow |
| 17:58.53 | pokoko222 | chrisoelmueller: build somehow what? |
| 17:58.57 | kai | a project |
| 17:59.11 | pokoko222 | ok I will just ask on mailing list |
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| 18:10.43 | qmaruf | Hi |
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| 18:35.25 | vampire | hi. I am looking forward to apply for GSoc 2012. I was not able to find the projects that different org have proposed. Am i supposed to be ready with my idea of what i want to do or they will propose the idea an we will have to apply for them?? |
| 18:35.55 | carols | vampire: i would recommend you check out their ideas pages. |
| 18:36.01 | carols | each is linked from their homepage on melange. |
| 18:36.08 | agliodbs | vampire: if you look at each Org's page, they will have alink to their ideas page |
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| 18:36.34 | agliodbs | vampire: however, if you already have a strong idea of what you want to work on, many projects prefer originality |
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| 18:37.05 | vampire | ok. got it. |
| 18:37.25 | vampire | thanks a lot. |
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| 18:40.17 | pokoko222 | does it take long time to learn gdb? |
| 18:40.22 | pokoko222 | I just need basic debugging |
| 18:40.32 | pokoko222 | set breakpoint, step in, step out ... |
| 18:40.35 | |Kev| | No. |
| 18:40.45 | pokoko222 | |Kev|: a day? |
| 18:40.49 | |Kev| | 5 minutes. |
| 18:40.51 | agliodbs | pokoko222: one way to find out! |
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| 18:41.15 | |Kev| | break filename:line |
| 18:41.17 | |Kev| | step |
| 18:41.19 | |Kev| | finish |
| 18:42.22 | |Kev| | I've never bothered learning gdb properly, but you can get by with about half a dozen commands (the above plus run, continue, next, print) |
| 18:42.30 | |Kev| | (and backtrace) |
| 18:43.10 | pokoko222 | ok then I am on a mission to learn this now ;) thank you |
| 18:43.45 | sfb | Or cheat and use KDevelop. |
| 18:44.28 | |Kev| | I think gdb's more generally useful, but sure. |
| 18:45.03 | sfb | When I just need some basic set a break point, step and print... KDevelop feeds my MSVC-spoiled self. |
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| 18:45.37 | pokoko222 | KDevelop is a gui thing? |
| 18:45.40 | mlankhorst | I honestly haven't found graphical debugging that useful for the things I do, but then again I usuallly debug libraries not applications :x |
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| 18:46.31 | |Kev| | sfb: given I'm usually debugging a server process, gdb fits me better :) |
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| 18:46.50 | |Kev| | But sure, tools for the job. |
| 18:47.12 | pokoko222 | so guys KDevelop is just another IDE with integrated debugging? |
| 18:47.17 | pokoko222 | so you got it all in one place |
| 18:47.20 | pokoko222 | editing and debugging |
| 18:47.59 | Al_Da_Best | http://kdevelop.org/ |
| 18:48.37 | sfb | I actually use QtCreator more than KDevelop but I know that KDevelop's GDB integration is OK. |
| 18:48.48 | mlankhorst | qtcreator++ |
| 18:49.02 | pokoko222 | sounds like heaven guys |
| 18:49.21 | mlankhorst | well it's not often I do gui work so I have no use for either, but sometimes when writing something for fun :P |
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| 18:49.48 | mlankhorst | and for debugging graphics cards you don't always even have a gui.. |
| 18:49.59 | sfb | Has anyone seen the new DX debugging tools in VS2011? |
| 18:50.28 | sfb | You can do pixel level draw call debugging. |
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| 18:50.51 | sfb | See all of the draw calls the result in a pixel or group of pixels being the way they are and then dig into their backtrace. |
| 18:50.52 | mlankhorst | very useful when you're debugging things like 'omg my card locks up if i poke reg 200' |
| 18:50.54 | sfb | Kinda nifty. |
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| 18:52.02 | mlankhorst | but no not for the kind of stuff that I need :x |
| 18:52.57 | gevaerts | pokoko222: by the way, git!=github |
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| 18:53.55 | pokoko222 | gevaerts: yep figured that one out :) |
| 18:54.03 | pokoko222 | even made my account, did a fork, then a branch |
| 18:54.27 | pokoko222 | and read about commits, now I face another challenge I need to learn to debug in Ubuntu |
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| 18:57.59 | pokoko222 | well I am experienced with programming, I got lots of cool personal projects |
| 18:58.13 | pokoko222 | so now I try to learn all these open source develop. related things |
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| 18:59.57 | JordiGH | You should also know some of us call it free development, not open source. :-) |
| 19:00.14 | pokoko222 | hey JordiGH how are you ;) |
| 19:00.27 | pokoko222 | you helped me a lot these days |
| 19:00.28 | JordiGH | p. good |
| 19:00.29 | JordiGH | You? |
| 19:00.42 | pokoko222 | eh fine, trying to learn these things so that I can actually get to code |
| 19:01.00 | pokoko222 | the thing is I already know the algorithms I want to implement |
| 19:01.13 | pokoko222 | I just need to learn these things to actually start the coding |
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| 19:09.23 | pokoko222 | hmm can I ask gdb question? |
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| 19:17.03 | mlankhorst | nope, this is not a support channel, so please don't use it as such :) |
| 19:17.21 | carols | what mlankhorst said |
| 19:17.53 | carols | pokoko222: if you're trying to figure something out for work with a particular organization, though, i would highly recommend you use *them* for support |
| 19:17.58 | carols | that's what they're there for |
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| 19:49.09 | fcerullo | hi there |
| 19:49.35 | FlorentMarkedOne | Hi :) |
| 19:50.00 | fcerullo | anyone wants to learn about owasp projects available for gsoc? |
| 19:51.01 | klocatelli | sure |
| 19:51.17 | FlorentMarkedOne | I can listen you =) |
| 19:53.57 | klocatelli | looks like an interesting organization with some pretty nifty projects |
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| 19:54.22 | FlorentMarkedOne | I saw their projects |
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| 19:57.02 | xonix | Can I also attend GSoC as a software dev trainee? |
| 19:58.14 | mlankhorst | xonix: read faq :p |
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| 20:34.30 | lightningZ | hello |
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| 20:34.37 | downey | lightningZ: hi |
| 20:34.37 | carols | hello lightningZ |
| 20:34.48 | edsiper | one of the project mentors have registered and i can see him on "REQUESTS FOR MY ORGANIZATIONS", how can i accept or reject the requests ? |
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| 20:35.46 | carols | edsiper: click on the request in the list. it will take you to the page to accept or reject. |
| 20:36.50 | edsiper | carols, i did, i get a resume of the request, but the accept/reject links are not there |
| 20:36.59 | carols | edsiper: file a bug with melange. |
| 20:37.05 | edsiper | ok |
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| 20:38.45 | Lennie | edsiper, how about don't :P |
| 20:38.50 | Lennie | edsiper, can you link me to the request? |
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| 20:41.44 | lightningZ | I am new to IRC |
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| 20:42.25 | carols | lightningZ: that's ok. it's not that hard to figure out. |
| 20:42.26 | downey | lightningZ: welcome. :) |
| 20:42.34 | lightningZ | :) |
| 20:43.00 | Lennie | Pro tip that works in most interfaces, there is tab-completion for names |
| 20:43.05 | Lennie | lightningZ, :) |
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| 20:44.52 | mjacob | hi |
| 20:44.55 | lightningZ | I found a project at JBOSS interesting |
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| 20:48.40 | lightningZ | Andrew Rubinger is the probable mentor for this project at JBOSS |
| 20:49.19 | lightningZ | If anybody knows his IRC handle please post me |
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| 20:49.40 | carols | lightningZ: have you tried contacting them via *their* mailing list or irc channel? |
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| 20:50.42 | LetterRip | if there are any students lurking looking for an interesting project - allow me to lure you to the Blend side :) |
| 20:51.09 | lightningZ | Their irc channel ?? |
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| 20:51.29 | lightningZ | They don't seem to have a separate one... |
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| 20:51.55 | carols | lightningZ: then they might have a mailing list, or maybe they would like you to contact the mentor directly. i assume you've looked over their ideas page? |
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| 20:52.46 | edsiper | carols, done ticket #1742 |
| 20:52.51 | carols | edsiper: great |
| 20:53.09 | mjacob | i'm currently writing my high-school diploma (in germany). am i eligible for participating in gsoc this year? |
| 20:53.27 | lightningZ | carols: yeah |
| 20:53.36 | carols | mjacob: will you be enrolled in or accepted into an accredited university on april 23? |
| 20:54.15 | san_ | Hello! |
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| 20:54.24 | carols | san_: hello |
| 20:54.28 | mjacob | carols: no, so i guess the answer is no |
| 20:54.29 | Lennie | carols, next time ask them to take a good look at the page-> Status: The request has been withdrawn by the sender. |
| 20:54.39 | LetterRip | mjacob: if you have been accepted to univeristy i think so |
| 20:54.43 | Lennie | edsiper, your mentor withdrew the request, you should be able to invite him/her again |
| 20:54.48 | LetterRip | but check with carols for sure |
| 20:54.48 | carols | mjacob: then no, you aren't eligible. |
| 20:54.51 | san_ | Carols, we have to provide the trascript along with the application or later on? |
| 20:55.01 | carols | san_: yes, after you are accepted |
| 20:55.04 | klocatelli | Blend side? |
| 20:55.11 | LetterRip | klocatelli: heheh - blender :) |
| 20:55.27 | klocatelli | Ah! |
| 20:55.39 | san_ | and about application, we have to upoload it or there is some format given to fill in? |
| 20:55.46 | san_ | *upload |
| 20:56.29 | carols | san_: upload? no. but you do apply online. |
| 20:57.08 | san_ | carols, ok Thanks :) |
| 20:57.11 | carols | yw |
| 20:57.12 | ben_endpoint | lightningZ: You can reach mentors by private message or via the #jboss or #jbosstesting IRC channels on Freenode IRC. |
| 20:59.11 | lightningZ | ben: You need to know the mentor's irc handle to send him a private message. Don't you? |
| 20:59.39 | hvq | hi, do we need to talk to and have a mentor before applying? |
| 20:59.58 | hvq | or the organization will assign mentor after considering our proposal? |
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| 21:00.21 | carols | hvq: it's up to them. ask them how they do it. |
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| 21:01.29 | klocatelli | Blender does look very awesome |
| 21:02.40 | mikhas | klocatelli, if you havent seen it yet: http://www.sintel.org/ |
| 21:02.43 | mikhas | done with Blender |
| 21:02.48 | hvq | carols: i see |
| 21:03.03 | klocatelli | I actually did see sintel, great short movie |
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| 21:03.21 | klocatelli | I didn't know it was done with Blender though! |
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| 21:26.49 | qballer | Checking out the Whirr project right now, So much cool stuff out there, how to chose ! :) |
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| 21:42.25 | mikhas | qballer, choose the one where you feel it's most likely for you to make a successful contribution to the project? |
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| 21:58.48 | zhulikas | can I expect to have something to do at gsoc with Haskell? |
| 21:59.59 | thiago | zhulikas: if you find an organisation that will take a haskell project, sure |
| 22:00.10 | thiago | the ones that are already working with haskell, if any, are your best bet |
| 22:00.14 | zhulikas | is it up to me to think of a project? |
| 22:00.26 | zhulikas | I thought it's more like |
| 22:00.40 | zhulikas | there are mentoring organizations with projects and students participating in them |
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| 22:01.55 | JordiGH | zhulikas: It's up to you to find an org with a Haskell project that interests you, or to come up with an interesting proposal, possibly using Haskell, that will be interesting to an org. |
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| 22:05.54 | thiago | zhulikas: organisations will post ideas for projects |
| 22:06.03 | thiago | but it's really up to you to come up with one |
| 22:06.16 | thiago | don't copy & paste what orgs post; read it, make your own project based on what you read |
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| 22:06.44 | zhulikas | well, I have some project ideas but I would like to implement them on my own |
| 22:06.50 | zhulikas | keeping possible profit to myself |
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| 22:08.28 | klocatelli | profit :< |
| 22:09.14 | Lennie | Open source and profit, how does it work? |
| 22:09.15 | thiago | zhulikas: well, you'll implement it in Open Source |
| 22:09.21 | thiago | Lennie: it's possible |
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| 22:09.30 | zhulikas | heh, sure |
| 22:09.31 | Lennie | thiago, I know. I just felt like doing a meme :p |
| 22:09.32 | zhulikas | sorry guys |
| 22:09.39 | thiago | zhulikas: and you need to convince an organisation to let you do that project |
| 22:09.41 | zhulikas | I am not following the concept well |
| 22:10.44 | klocatelli | remember, unless stated otherwise afaik the org gets IP over your code |
| 22:10.47 | thiago | gsoc is a way for you to execute an open source project, mentored by one of the many open source project communities |
| 22:10.53 | thiago | so you need to participate in that community |
| 22:11.03 | zhulikas | ok, I do not |
| 22:11.11 | zhulikas | well, sort of |
| 22:11.20 | thiago | you don't need to be part of it now |
| 22:11.24 | Lennie | !faq | lennie |
| 22:11.24 | gsocbot | lennie: "faq" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs |
| 22:11.31 | thiago | but you need to work in it if you're chosen |
| 22:11.34 | zhulikas | I plan to contribute (as soon as I will get enough experience) to one open source project |
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| 22:11.45 | zhulikas | ah, I see |
| 22:11.58 | Lennie | klocatelli, http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs#who_owns |
| 22:12.13 | thiago | zhulikas: gsoc is a way for you to gain experience and contribute |
| 22:12.29 | Lennie | zhulikas, experience should never stop you from contributing |
| 22:12.30 | zhulikas | I have experience |
| 22:12.30 | Lennie | One can start very small :) |
| 22:12.31 | thiago | it's also good because you may be able to do this instead of getting a Summer job |
| 22:12.33 | zhulikas | I want influence and contacts |
| 22:12.35 | zhulikas | :P |
| 22:12.39 | klocatelli | hm, maybe it was just the ones I was looking at |
| 22:12.41 | klocatelli | ~(O.o)~ |
| 22:12.48 | thiago | zhulikas: you'll never have that until you start. |
| 22:12.52 | zhulikas | true |
| 22:13.03 | thiago | you must start from scratch |
| 22:13.09 | mikhas | zhulikas, participate in a project, or go to conferences |
| 22:13.13 | thiago | you'll never have influence until people know you |
| 22:13.17 | thiago | and no one will know you until you contribute |
| 22:13.47 | Afan | how knowledgable should you be about a proposal? Contributing to the D compilier seems cool but I have no experience with working on a compilier |
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| 22:14.08 | scorche|sh | Afan: start getting your feet wet now! |
| 22:14.10 | thiago | Afan: you're the one who should be the judge |
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| 22:14.21 | thiago | Afan: do you think you can accomplish your project's goals in 3 months? |
| 22:14.37 | Afan | good point |
| 22:14.42 | zhulikas | heh:) |
| 22:14.49 | zhulikas | in 3 months it's possible to make a prototype |
| 22:14.54 | zhulikas | and get attention |
| 22:14.56 | mikhas | not good |
| 22:14.58 | zhulikas | to further work |
| 22:15.12 | mikhas | it's better to narrow the scope then, and actually have something finished |
| 22:15.17 | zhulikas | I don't think you can do anything of worth in 3 months |
| 22:15.29 | thiago | zhulikas: there have been lots of GSoC projects of worth, done in 3 months |
| 22:15.30 | mikhas | otherwise, your prototype will end up on the garbage dump of unfinished and forgotten GSoC contributions |
| 22:15.50 | thiago | yes, many projects end up as... to put it in a good light, proof of concepts |
| 22:15.58 | mikhas | :-) |
| 22:16.10 | thiago | so yeah, 3 months time of a student with little experience? can't expect much |
| 22:16.17 | thiago | still, good things happen |
| 22:16.33 | zhulikas | :) |
| 22:16.37 | JordiGH | klocatelli: There is no "gets IP". |
| 22:16.40 | zhulikas | hm |
| 22:16.46 | mikhas | there is that one popular project, I forgot its name (to protect the innocent), which is notoriously bad at merging GSoC contribs. Usually takes years. They like their patches rotten ;-) |
| 22:16.46 | zhulikas | the problem is to decide soon |
| 22:16.56 | JordiGH | klocatelli: If you mean "copyright", most orgs do not required you to assign copyright to them for your code. |
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| 22:17.22 | mikhas | if you are not experienced in coding, I would look for a documentation project or such |
| 22:17.35 | thiago | mikhas: the C in GSoC is "Code" :-) |
| 22:17.37 | mikhas | (and then GSoC might not be the right place) |
| 22:17.40 | mikhas | yes |
| 22:17.41 | agliodbs | I didn;'t think documentation projects were part of GSOC |
| 22:17.42 | ofan | so not all gsoc projects will be accepted by communities? |
| 22:17.43 | JordiGH | klocatelli: Google's only requirement is that you release your code under a free license, but you can usually keep copyright. |
| 22:17.48 | Afan | Would that mean they couldn't change the code if they dont have the rights? |
| 22:17.58 | thiago | ofan: clarify the question |
| 22:18.18 | thiago | Afan: you must give the right to modify |
| 22:18.20 | klocatelli | Yeah, I guess I misread or misunderstood someone |
| 22:18.27 | thiago | Afan: principle of open source licenses |
| 22:18.28 | mikhas | but in Gnome for example, a very good way to get started is to pick software one likes to use, and start improving the documentation |
| 22:18.29 | mikhas | gets you attention very quickly |
| 22:18.59 | agliodbs | most OSS projects don't *want* your original copyright |
| 22:19.08 | agliodbs | they just want you to submit it under the project license |
| 22:19.15 | JordiGH | klocatelli: "intellectual property" is a silly term, and it really does spread confusion. |
| 22:19.24 | thiago | IP = Internet Protocol :-) |
| 22:19.43 | JordiGH | Yes. |
| 22:19.44 | mikhas | and we know that nothing good ever came out of that! |
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| 22:23.05 | JordiGH | Actually, I can't tell if any of the orgs require copyright assignment. I can only see gcc... |
| 22:23.23 | ofan | thiago: I mean, not all gsoc projects will be merged into upstream repo, right? |
| 22:23.25 | JordiGH | Maybe another GNU project also requires this, but not all require it. |
| 22:23.56 | thiago | ofan: correct |
| 22:24.01 | JordiGH | ofan: Some GSoC projects fail, and being merged into the main repo is a sign of success, but it's not the only one. |
| 22:24.20 | thiago | ofan: like I said, many projects end as proof of concepts |
| 22:24.31 | thiago | ofan: sometimes the student stays and helps it be merged |
| 22:24.36 | thiago | ofan: sometimes it's merged during the project |
| 22:24.40 | mikhas | I think it should be the goal of each GSoC project to eventually become mainline |
| 22:24.54 | thiago | ofan: but being merged is not required for success -- depending on the org |
| 22:25.09 | ofan | thiago: Are these kind of projects still marked as 'complete'? |
| 22:25.23 | ofan | oh I see |
| 22:25.33 | thiago | some orgs might require it |
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| 22:25.48 | agliodbs | we require all projects have the *intent* of being merged |
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| 22:26.03 | agliodbs | however, given our dev cycle, that doesn't always (or even usually) happen during the summer |
| 22:26.20 | chrisoelmueller | we do require everything to be merged by the "deadline" |
| 22:26.41 | zhulikas | are there some of the gsoc organizers among you? |
| 22:26.52 | zhulikas | well, it seems like considering the way you speak |
| 22:26.56 | thiago | was gsoc admin for 4 years in a row |
| 22:26.56 | Lennie | zhulikas, kinda |
| 22:27.15 | Lennie | zhulikas, I break the website occasionally and all the orgs hate me for it :P |
| 22:27.26 | zhulikas | :D |
| 22:28.02 | Lennie | On the other hand some understand our work and are happy to share constructive feedback during the mentor summit |
| 22:28.09 | Lennie | ^^ |
| 22:28.32 | chrisoelmueller | can i have both please :P |
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| 22:30.11 | Lennie | chrisoelmueller, you want to be in both groups? |
| 22:30.23 | chrisoelmueller | of course! |
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| 22:33.35 | Lennie | on a more serious note |
| 22:34.00 | Lennie | This channel is mostly community run and the people who speak here are usually very knowledgeable zhulikas |
| 22:34.54 | zhulikas | I will investigate more before saying something stupid again |
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| 22:35.48 | JordiGH | zhulikas: Unless you insulted my ancestors and I didn't notice, you haven't said anything stupid. |
| 22:35.59 | zhulikas | :D |
| 22:36.17 | zhulikas | tells a joke about JordiGH momma |
| 22:36.18 | kblin | Lennie: do you already have a feature request to make the "invite a mentor" and "invite a backup mentor" big and orange-ish? |
| 22:36.43 | kblin | JordiGH: well, I'd argue that if he did, and you didn't notice, it was really clever, not stupid ;) |
| 22:36.58 | kblin | </smartass> |
| 22:37.03 | JordiGH | kblin: Maybe zhulikas's ancestors are stupid. |
| 22:37.22 | gevaerts | kblin: his mom would have noticed |
| 22:37.25 | zhulikas | :o |
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| 22:37.47 | agliodbs | chrisoelmueller: must be nice. in our project, that's not at all practical |
| 22:37.52 | Lennie | kblin, patches welcome if you dare to sign the CLA :p |
| 22:38.00 | agliodbs | with 1m lines of code, merging in anything new isn't a small task |
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| 22:38.07 | kblin | Lennie: I won't |
| 22:38.15 | JordiGH | Ooh, are we counting LOC? |
| 22:38.19 | JordiGH | I bet mine are bigger. |
| 22:38.27 | Lennie | kblin, I have a feature request to properly move it to the org admin dashbaord |
| 22:38.32 | agliodbs | JordiGH: which project? |
| 22:38.39 | JordiGH | agliodbs: Octave. |
| 22:38.40 | Lennie | which would make it a lot bigger :P |
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| 22:39.05 | kblin | it's not that I don't trust you guys, but I don't trust the company I'm supposed to do the contract with, a contract without a sunset clause or anything |
| 22:39.29 | agliodbs | JordiGH: really? I'd think it would be more compact. No? |
| 22:39.45 | JordiGH | agliodbs: Oh, man, we have *such* a mess in here, you have no idea. |
| 22:39.48 | agliodbs | kblin: what are you talking about? |
| 22:39.54 | agliodbs | JordiGH: my condolences |
| 22:40.04 | kblin | agliodbs: the google CLA |
| 22:40.06 | JordiGH | I'm actually curious. |
| 22:40.22 | JordiGH | agliodbs: Well, we've had 20 years to accumulate a mess. Our birthday was last month! |
| 22:40.24 | agliodbs | kblin: oh, you have to sign one for SOC? |
| 22:40.26 | JordiGH | blows out the candles. |
| 22:40.36 | kblin | nope |
| 22:40.45 | agliodbs | JordiGH: ah, that would explain it. Postgres is the same. 25 years of accumulation |
| 22:40.51 | kblin | but you have to sign one to contribute code to melange |
| 22:40.58 | agliodbs | aha |
| 22:41.10 | agliodbs | kblin: well, that's between you and google |
| 22:41.15 | agliodbs | personally, I'm not keen on CLAs |
| 22:41.18 | kblin | right |
| 22:41.35 | agliodbs | it's why I abandoned the Harmony project |
| 22:42.06 | JordiGH | agliodbs: You... win? 720401 LOC here. |
| 22:42.17 | kblin | I'm not giving them my code for free and give their lawyers the fuzzy warm feeling of being able to sue my shoes of if I make a mistake |
| 22:42.25 | JordiGH | On the branch with the experimental feature, so I hope that's not cheating too much. |
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| 22:42.52 | Lennie | kblin, like that's what the CLA is about |
| 22:42.59 | Lennie | Anyhow, we keep having this argument :P |
| 22:43.19 | Triskelios | sigh. grossly underqualified, lazy applicants |
| 22:43.51 | meflin | not as bad as psychotic ones |
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| 22:44.12 | kblin | Lennie: you started it |
| 22:44.20 | kblin | :) |
| 22:44.35 | Afan | psychotic applicants? |
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| 22:44.47 | JordiGH | agliodbs: It might be fun to count how much of that is the GPL. |
| 22:45.28 | meflin | yep a few buzword claims of code and stuff like that but its always is a run around the circle never can even see it |
| 22:46.31 | kblin | but I'm happy to agree to disagree there |
| 22:47.02 | klocatelli | that doesn't sound psychotic? |
| 22:47.22 | meflin | this is year-3 |
| 22:47.37 | kblin | Triskelios: I've got some of those, too |
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| 22:47.58 | Lennie | !next |
| 22:47.59 | gsocbot | Lennie: "next" is Mar 26 19:00 UTC - Student Application period opens |
| 22:48.02 | meflin | depending on how you parse the last email this idea is 3-4 months old .... ( this is the 3rd year we got this one ) |
| 22:48.07 | Lennie | 6 days lol :P |
| 22:48.17 | meflin | its not even "on topic" for us and that has been mentioned in past years |
| 22:48.36 | kblin | Lennie: yeah, they're very much on time, but still clueless |
| 22:48.39 | Lennie | meflin, we received an email that was exactly the same as one that the student sent out to another org |
| 22:48.47 | Lennie | just replaced the name of that org with melange |
| 22:48.52 | kblin | cool |
| 22:49.31 | meflin | well the largest reason this one is standing out is the .. wait ... this is the 3rd year i've seen this |
| 22:49.43 | Afan | the exact same application? |
| 22:49.57 | meflin | yes |
| 22:50.41 | Lennie | I'm off for the day, good luck! |
| 22:50.49 | kblin | Lennie: take care :) |
| 22:50.50 | zhulikas | bye |
| 22:50.52 | klocatelli | "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." |
| 22:50.54 | Afan | thats really strange |
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| 22:51.01 | meflin | if I hadn't tosted my HD in a upgrade ( my bad ) I would diff them to see if anything is different :) |
| 22:51.03 | Lennie | klocatelli, also called race conditions :p |
| 22:51.15 | klocatelli | lol |
| 22:52.49 | meflin | hmm is there a way to see students who applied to you .. who else/what else they applied to ? |
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| 22:53.40 | edsiper | meflin, students app are open on March 26th |
| 22:54.09 | meflin | I already know this |
| 22:54.43 | zhulikas | heh, the only mentor with FP/Haskell is haskell.org :)) |
| 22:55.05 | zhulikas | noone else care about it : |
| 22:55.06 | zhulikas | :( |
| 22:55.59 | tamara | carols: my card from last year has been stolen. I called Citi bank but they said they can't block it if I don't change the address, and I know google contract said that I can't change the address. please if you can help it would be great. thanks. |
| 22:56.25 | carols | tamara: please email me. i don't discuss personal issues like this in logged public irc channels :-) |
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| 22:58.57 | meflin | hmmm I got a question from another projects mentor the other day .. how do you advertise for students |
| 22:59.33 | agliodbs | meflin: contact everyone you know at a university through the project |
| 22:59.48 | agliodbs | for example, we have contributors from MIT, USF, PSU, UCB, and UW |
| 22:59.55 | agliodbs | also Charles University |
| 23:00.05 | agliodbs | so we ask them to spread the word around |
| 23:00.12 | agliodbs | also, announce it through your community |
| 23:00.15 | meflin | sure .. in the case in question I'm not sure that does much |
| 23:00.26 | meflin | mail lists/web page ect |
| 23:01.12 | meflin | does anyone do eww "marketing" |
| 23:01.24 | meflin | my answer was just about like yours ;) |
| 23:01.58 | agliodbs | well, some of the bigger projects like Gnome have year-round student involvement programs |
| 23:02.31 | meflin | well the mentorship is for a very small project ( not my org ) I think its like 1 slot in a umbrella |
| 23:04.41 | agliodbs | if it's 1 slot, then you only need 1 student |
| 23:04.54 | meflin | true ... but you want the best student you can get ;) |
| 23:05.03 | MatthewWilkes | lh! |
| 23:05.17 | lh | MatthewWilkes: greetings from denver, colorado. how are you? |
| 23:05.28 | meflin | lh: visiting? |
| 23:05.37 | agliodbs | meflin: but I don't know anything which works better than contacting universities directly |
| 23:05.40 | MatthewWilkes | lh: I'm good, thanks, yourself? What's up in Denver? |
| 23:05.46 | agliodbs | well, people at universities |
| 23:05.49 | agliodbs | hey, lh |
| 23:05.50 | meflin | I dont either :) thats why I asked :) |
| 23:05.56 | klocatelli | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:06.02 | klocatelli | :P |
| 23:06.10 | agliodbs | klocatelli: Leslie Hawthorne |
| 23:06.12 | lh | klocatelli: Leslie Hawthorn at your service @lhawthorn |
| 23:06.21 | lh | agliodbs: s/hawthorne/hawthorn like the tree :) |
| 23:06.26 | agliodbs | klocatelli: as in former fearless leader of GSOC |
| 23:06.30 | lh | MatthewWilkes: DrupalCon Denver |
| 23:06.35 | agliodbs | lh: sorry. never had to spell it before |
| 23:06.47 | lh | agliodbs: all good, common mistake. that's why I have a phrase "like the tree" |
| 23:07.05 | meflin | lh: make sure you visit biker jim's hotdogs if you are downtown |
| 23:07.10 | meflin | <-local |
| 23:07.44 | MatthewWilkes | lh: The drupal people I follow always seem to be visiting somewhere, it's hard to keep track of where their cons are :) |
| 23:07.47 | lh | meflin: Cool - will do - thanks! |
| 23:07.58 | meflin | should be an easy google :D |
| 23:08.04 | lh | MatthewWilkes: next one is in Munich. come for the beer. also some people saying nice things about plone |
| 23:08.12 | lh | could use a hotdog |
| 23:08.23 | meflin | these are not your ordinary dogs |
| 23:08.34 | meflin | also a good stop for breakfast |
| 23:08.45 | agliodbs | lh: try "Like the tree, not the author" |
| 23:09.19 | MatthewWilkes | lh: The last PloneConf was in Munich, I was so sad to miss that one. I would like to visit Germany again |
| 23:09.22 | meflin | if you are at the convention center I know the close in downtown well ( the rest not so much ) |
| 23:09.26 | MatthewWilkes | especially with bavarian food on offer |
| 23:09.35 | lh | agliodbs: I usually do. Or "not like the bridge" when in PDX |
| 23:09.40 | lh | MatthewWilkes: awww, bummer |
| 23:09.57 | lh | meflin: Yes, at convention center. Suggestions for a) vegans b) gluten free and c) whiskey? |
| 23:10.00 | lh | I only care about c for me. |
| 23:10.29 | MatthewWilkes | lh: New job is going well, though? |
| 23:10.41 | meflin | stranahan's colorado whiskey |
| 23:10.47 | carols | hey lh :-) |
| 23:10.53 | carols | pops up from her pile of work |
| 23:10.54 | meflin | not sure where you can get a shot tho |
| 23:11.55 | lh | carols: hello awesome human. :) |
| 23:11.59 | lh | meflin: got it will try it |
| 23:12.04 | lh | MatthewWilkes: new gig is awesome. |
| 23:12.08 | carols | lh: same to you :-) |
| 23:12.14 | lh | hands carols a delicious coffee |
| 23:12.26 | carols | aw thanks! |
| 23:12.29 | carols | sips some coffee |
| 23:12.31 | lh | meflin: I will find out at the Hyatt bar if they have it. Where I have to go right now. :) |
| 23:12.33 | carols | i can use it |
| 23:12.45 | lh | carols: I can only imagine, my friend. Go you! |
| 23:12.53 | carols | thanks :-) |
| 23:12.56 | lh | wanders off to dinner and drinks meeting |
| 23:13.08 | carols | it's one of the particularly busy times. |
| 23:13.16 | MatthewWilkes | carols! Hi to you, too! |
| 23:13.37 | carols | hey MatthewWilkes :-) |
| 23:13.39 | carols | how you doing? |
| 23:14.16 | MatthewWilkes | carols: Good, quiet night in, you? |
| 23:14.27 | MatthewWilkes | Busy as ever? :) |
| 23:14.27 | carols | MatthewWilkes: not too bad. just crazy busy with work right now. |
| 23:14.30 | carols | yep |
| 23:14.36 | carols | more so than usual, really |
| 23:14.42 | meflin | lh: wazee supper club and 1515 are prosibles .. nothing definitive |
| 23:17.22 | agliodbs | is melange supposed to work if you're logged into multiple google accounts? |
| 23:18.07 | MatthewWilkes | carols: I bet, it seems like half the emails I have got in the last week are from you answering questions |
| 23:18.28 | carols | MatthewWilkes: so many questions to answer :-P |
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| 23:26.19 | agliodbs | I don't see my co-admin on "Members of My Organizations" |
| 23:26.27 | agliodbs | should I? |
| 23:26.32 | agliodbs | I see me |
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| 23:27.41 | meflin | I see my backup admin |
| 23:28.09 | meflin | I see me as well |
| 23:29.11 | Triskelios | adding admins seems to send invitations that have to be accepted by the user |
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| 23:29.42 | meflin | this admin-2 has done |
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