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| 00:00.17 | pokoko222 | do I have to include details like country and school? |
| 00:00.35 | ojwb | i wouldn't say it's vital |
| 00:00.37 | pokoko222 | or I can keep that for the application |
| 00:00.44 | pokoko222 | right, I mean I want a bit privacy to some level |
| 00:01.20 | pokoko222 | ok thank you for the advice ojwb cya later ;) |
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| 00:08.15 | Lennie | anyone from #cc here? |
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| 00:08.41 | Lennie | Arc, do you have anything to do with them :)? |
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| 00:11.51 | naderman | anyone have an idea what to do if a student who wants to apply to work on an idea partially implements it, then posts screenshots showing what he's been working on, and asks for people to explain to him how to finish it? |
| 00:12.34 | agliodbs | naderman: take it into account when you evaluate his proposal? |
| 00:12.46 | naderman | agliodbs: well sure, but what to do now? |
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| 00:13.00 | naderman | do we help him finish it? |
| 00:13.08 | naderman | as in, improve his application for him? |
| 00:13.19 | naderman | I suppose other students could do the same, so it's fair? |
| 00:13.28 | ojwb | you can help him to improve his application, but you should improve it for him |
| 00:13.32 | ojwb | if that makes sense |
| 00:13.32 | ThomasWaldmann | well, some hints here and there maybe don't harm |
| 00:13.33 | Lennie | at least he isn't afraid to show his work :) |
| 00:13.52 | naderman | Lennie: no not at all |
| 00:13.56 | ThomasWaldmann | just do not give so much that his application will just reflect YOUR ideas and no student ideas |
| 00:14.04 | naderman | I'm just really not sure what to do now, to be fair to other students |
| 00:14.05 | agliodbs | oh, you mean the GSOC application? |
| 00:14.17 | agliodbs | naderman: I was thinking "software application" |
| 00:14.21 | naderman | ThomasWaldmann: right, but if he was just a regular contributor, then I'd just try and help him get it done now |
| 00:14.28 | naderman | agliodbs: oh yeah I meant gsoc application |
| 00:14.47 | ojwb | naderman: i think so long as you are prepared to do the same for other students it's fine |
| 00:14.54 | Lennie | naderman, students usually need some guidance if they are new to the project |
| 00:15.06 | Lennie | I'm not sure how much is done and how much he wants others to help out |
| 00:15.07 | ojwb | many orgs provide feedback on applications |
| 00:15.17 | ojwb | a few get far too many and just aren't able to |
| 00:15.23 | naderman | Lennie: well yes sure, but basically this guy might be finished with the project if I start helping him a lot now, before gsoc programming period starts |
| 00:15.30 | agliodbs | naderman: is it the case that he has a project and doesn't understand how the GSOC application is filled out, or something else? |
| 00:15.37 | ojwb | sounds like the project is too easy for him |
| 00:15.48 | agliodbs | naderman: then he needs a more ambitious project |
| 00:16.01 | naderman | agliodbs: well the project is going to take him the 3 months |
| 00:16.04 | naderman | but if he starts now |
| 00:16.09 | naderman | then the 3 months are over when gsoc starts |
| 00:16.13 | agliodbs | naderman: are there any obvious follow-ups to his project ? |
| 00:16.30 | naderman | not exactly but sort of |
| 00:17.01 | agliodbs | naderman: well, that's not strictly kosher but I fail to see the problem. he does a project, it's completed early, it takes 3 months |
| 00:17.14 | agliodbs | he learns something and you get a feature |
| 00:17.19 | Lennie | naderman, there is no obligation for you to accept him btw :) |
| 00:17.22 | naderman | agliodbs: the only problem I have is, what do I do now? |
| 00:17.27 | naderman | agliodbs: how much should I help him? |
| 00:17.32 | naderman | Lennie: I know |
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| 00:17.40 | agliodbs | naderman: what is he asking for help on? |
| 00:17.56 | naderman | agliodbs: implementation |
| 00:18.10 | naderman | the thing is he hasn't quite properly explained what exactly he's stuck on |
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| 00:18.24 | naderman | so typically I'd start by asking him to explain in more detail what he's been doing where the problem is etc. |
| 00:18.32 | naderman | but I feel like I would end up writing part of it for him |
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| 00:19.49 | agliodbs | naderman: well, as far as a GSOC applicaiton is concerned, he's not supposed to be implementing it now |
| 00:19.58 | agliodbs | so really what he needs help with is his project plan |
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| 00:20.03 | naderman | agliodbs: well right, but should I just tell him to stop work on our project? |
| 00:20.16 | agliodbs | naderman: that's really up to you. |
| 00:20.25 | naderman | agliodbs: hmm right, I guess I could ask him what he plans to do when in the summer |
| 00:20.27 | agliodbs | it's not a GSOC issue |
| 00:20.31 | naderman | then maybe he'll start to see the issue himself |
| 00:20.33 | ojwb | i think it's fine for students to start looking at the project |
| 00:20.36 | agliodbs | it's a "what do you want to do with your time" issue |
| 00:20.46 | Arc | Lennie: not really. |
| 00:20.49 | naderman | agliodbs: no it's not, it's just related, and I was hoping someone here had the same situation before |
| 00:20.55 | ojwb | if they can show you the first step implemented, that's a great qualifying task, and useful to boot |
| 00:21.02 | naderman | agliodbs: as in "no it's not a gsoc problem" |
| 00:22.06 | ojwb | one of our students last year had a pretty impressive prototype going during the application period |
| 00:22.19 | JordiGH | Huh, people try scams? Fake mentors? |
| 00:22.27 | ojwb | JordiGH: oh yes |
| 00:22.37 | JordiGH | Interesting. |
| 00:22.46 | ojwb | get your mate to apply as a mentor and you as a student |
| 00:22.52 | ojwb | or do both yourself even |
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| 00:23.17 | JordiGH | But how could that ever work? If the code isn't submitted, it's not like the mentor can say "never mind, sending money anyways". |
| 00:23.24 | JordiGH | The project would be like, "wtf this sucks". |
| 00:23.40 | ojwb | well, I doubt many even get accepted as mentors, let alone selected |
| 00:24.02 | JordiGH | Right, but as far as scams go, it seems pretty dumb one and unlikely to succceed. |
| 00:24.05 | agliodbs | JordiGH: yes. however, the scam artists aren't smart enough to figure that hout |
| 00:24.07 | ojwb | certainly if I've never heard of you before, I'm not going to approve your mentorship request |
| 00:24.09 | naderman | ojwb: well that's the other thing with this student, I fear what he's done so far looks like a lot, but really wasn't much work at all, I haven't seen any of the actual code, so it might really just be POC gui |
| 00:24.29 | naderman | and based on how he's asking his questions I have doubts about him being entirely able to implement it completely |
| 00:24.30 | agliodbs | JordiGH: and actually, for really big projects like Apache (200 mentors), one could possibly get away with it |
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| 00:24.39 | nemo | WRT people offering to mentor |
| 00:24.46 | nemo | (off mailing list) |
| 00:24.52 | ojwb | naderman: yeah, i'd suggest seeing the code not just screenshots |
| 00:25.05 | nemo | people out of the blue, who know nothing about project. pretty weird. we just got that too |
| 00:25.10 | agliodbs | naderman: anyway, student applications aren't even open yet |
| 00:25.20 | ojwb | nemo: some may just be after a t-shirt |
| 00:25.20 | naderman | agliodbs: indeed |
| 00:25.50 | JordiGH | agliodbs: How does Apache select mentors? |
| 00:26.12 | nemo | ojwb: or hoping the cash to the org will go their way maybe? *shrug* |
| 00:26.23 | agliodbs | JordiGH: from what I can tell, it's an administrative nightmare |
| 00:26.25 | ojwb | perhaps |
| 00:26.39 | ojwb | the cost of applying to mentor is certainly low |
| 00:26.53 | agliodbs | but I'm not part of it, so I don't know for sure |
| 00:27.03 | ojwb | email spam doesn't stand much chance of success either, but still it comes |
| 00:27.19 | JordiGH | But email spam has some chance of success... |
| 00:27.25 | JordiGH | I can't imagine mentor scamming ever worked. |
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| 00:27.51 | JordiGH | I would imagine an org admin can override a scammy mentor? |
| 00:28.14 | ojwb | i've never admined an org with more than 5 slots, but if I ran an org that side, I'd look for evidence of a past contribution history before approving mentors, or a vouch from someone I know well in the community |
| 00:28.17 | naderman | JordiGH: which requires the org admin pays enough attention? |
| 00:28.21 | ojwb | s/side/size |
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| 00:29.40 | agliodbs | ojwb: I just remember that it was Apache last year asking Google to do something to help them validate the scammy mentors |
| 00:29.50 | agliodbs | because they accidentally approved a few |
| 00:29.57 | ojwb | oops |
| 00:29.58 | agliodbs | apache has a *lot* of sub-projects |
| 00:30.03 | ojwb | yeah |
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| 00:30.25 | gevaerts | Just accepting them isn't enough though |
| 00:30.34 | JordiGH | Presumably you pick lieutenants in the subprojects and they can override scammy mentors? |
| 00:30.50 | agliodbs | hopefully that's what they're doing this year, yes |
| 00:31.13 | agliodbs | it's funny for me to get the applications |
| 00:31.28 | agliodbs | given that I know most of our contributors by sight |
| 00:31.43 | JordiGH | IRL? |
| 00:31.54 | agliodbs | yeah, we have a LOT of events, worldwide |
| 00:32.14 | agliodbs | and I've been on the core team for 9 years |
| 00:32.40 | JordiGH | What project was this? |
| 00:33.15 | ojwb | postgres |
| 00:33.21 | JordiGH | Right, forgot. |
| 00:33.22 | JordiGH | You told me. |
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| 00:50.32 | downey | Do we know how many orgs are new this year? |
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| 00:55.06 | ojwb | downey: yes, it was in the blog announcement |
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| 00:55.31 | downey | 41, nice |
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| 00:56.00 | ojwb | ah |
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| 00:58.33 | ojwb | 177 now |
| 00:58.49 | ojwb | the gods of irony are cruel |
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| 04:24.30 | digitalknight | hi |
| 04:24.43 | digitalknight | i just wantedto know |
| 04:25.11 | digitalknight | is gcompris participating in gsoc (under gnome)? |
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| 04:25.24 | ojwb | ask them |
| 04:25.53 | digitalknight | i did |
| 04:26.11 | digitalknight | obody replied on their channel |
| 04:27.02 | ojwb | it's unlikely anyone here knows |
| 04:27.21 | ojwb | best bet is either wait for an answer or email |
| 04:27.25 | digitalknight | ojwb: Ok,thanks a lot |
| 04:27.34 | summatusmentis | or you could ask the gnome project |
| 04:27.49 | digitalknight | i'll do that |
| 04:27.59 | digitalknight | thanks verybody |
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| 05:34.43 | vivek1729 | can anybody tell me how to get in touch with mozilla. I mailed the mentors. Also tried the irc. But they haven't replied. |
| 05:35.07 | vivek1729 | And i know its really important to communicate with an org u want to do a project with |
| 05:35.17 | vivek1729 | what do i do? |
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| 05:39.25 | klocatelli | afaik you *really* should get in contact with the org before you submit your proposal |
| 05:39.32 | klocatelli | try following this: http://www.booki.cc/gsocstudentguide/making-first-contact |
| 05:45.09 | klocatelli | furthermore they are probably very busy and inundated with requests, so be patient |
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| 05:46.27 | vivek1729 | i hope so |
| 05:46.43 | vivek1729 | coz i definitely don't wana spam |
| 05:47.23 | klocatelli | yeah, definitely don't do that. if you sent them a mail, they have it and there's no reason to send any more |
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| 05:51.20 | tomprince | vivek1729: How long have you waited? It can be upto 24h for irc, and potentially longer for email. (timezones and people idling and then reading backlog) |
| 05:52.01 | vivek1729 | its been 2 days. |
| 05:52.21 | vivek1729 | the worst part is the time zones. seriously |
| 05:52.38 | vivek1729 | and i have tried communicating with some orgs that i am interested in. |
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| 05:52.43 | vivek1729 | No replies yet :( |
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| 06:06.19 | klocatelli | what did you say to them? |
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| 07:20.40 | skbohra | Soliton, it's that time of year again! |
| 07:20.46 | skbohra | aah! |
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| 07:42.40 | kai | sighs and wishes he was more of a javascript guru |
| 07:43.10 | |Kev| | What a peculiar thing to wish for :p |
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| 07:45.23 | kai | I've got some users who are running computational jobs on my server, completely clogging it up at the moment |
| 07:45.39 | kai | some other users emailed me about it, and I looked at the running jobs |
| 07:46.23 | kai | it's just big jobs, nothing much I can do, but I found that due to the parameters they chose, the results will be completely useless, too |
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| 07:47.27 | kai | and I'd like to check the filesize of the file they want to upload and warn them to consider selecting a non-default option if their file is > 20 MB |
| 07:47.39 | |Kev| | Ahhar. |
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| 07:48.46 | thebolt | hi kai, |Kev| |
| 07:48.54 | |Kev| | Top of the morning to you :) |
| 07:49.00 | kai | seems like there's something in html5 that should allow me to do this, but I don't really get the w3c specs google turns up |
| 07:49.08 | kai | and I'm sure there's javascript magic to do this |
| 07:49.19 | kai | at least in all browsers I care about |
| 07:49.34 | kai | old IE can go to hell for all I care |
| 07:51.54 | thebolt | this is weird.. now i will first write some code as a kernel mode driver, to later port it to be in userspace.. |
| 07:52.07 | thebolt | usually it goes other way around |
| 07:52.11 | kai | thebolt: isn't that like the wrong way around? |
| 07:52.17 | kai | yeah, just my thought :) |
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| 07:56.03 | Gogol | anybody working on android development...? |
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| 07:56.47 | kai | no, I do work on robot development occasionally, but never on humanoids... |
| 07:57.11 | |Kev| | kai: That's your story and you're sticking to it? |
| 07:58.11 | kai | well, I can do robot development in C, for android development, I gather you're supposed to use java |
| 07:58.41 | kai | hmm, seems like I need to s/old IE/IE/ in my above statement |
| 07:58.51 | |Kev| | What a shame... |
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| 07:59.44 | Gogol | i want to discuss android project ideas |
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| 08:00.50 | |Kev| | Gogol: Then you're best off looking at the org. list, checking for tags of Android, and chatting to those orgs. |
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| 08:01.46 | Gogol | yeah i am doing that also |
| 08:01.47 | kai | I think I've seen OpenIntents on the list of orgs |
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| 08:01.58 | Gogol | thank you anyways |
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| 08:09.24 | thebolt | kai: well, thing is.. i have framework in-kernel for it, SPI driver etc.. |
| 08:10.05 | thebolt | kai: but kernel mode introduce a bit too much latency in my case.. so i am thinking to reimplement it using usermode i/o things (no interrupts or DMA or so is used.. just register writes and busy-waiting IO bits etc) |
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| 08:11.30 | |Kev| | This discussion is so backwards :) |
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| 08:11.58 | abhinav082 | Anyone here from SImpleCV? |
| 08:12.14 | |Kev| | !anyone | abhinav082 |
| 08:12.14 | gsocbot | abhinav082: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. Try searching for the org's contact info or even just try a /join #<mentoring org here> |
| 08:13.39 | ericb2 | hello |
| 08:13.46 | ericb2 | FYI : http://eric.bachard.org/news/ |
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| 08:14.00 | thebolt | |Kev|: which one? :) |
| 08:14.40 | |Kev| | thebolt: "Writing it in the kernel's too slow, I need it in user space" |
| 08:14.55 | thebolt | |Kev|: didn't say too slow, i said too much latency |
| 08:15.07 | |Kev| | Right, I'm (deliberately) paraphrasing. |
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| 08:15.46 | thebolt | |Kev|: basically i end up doing switch to kernel -> some small processing -> a loop writing 8 bits to a register, then busy-waiting for a bit to be set before writing next 8 bits.. loop 4 times -> exit back to userspace |
| 08:16.03 | thebolt | |Kev|: now if i can avoid the switch to kernel and exit back.. well, should save some time ;) |
| 08:16.10 | |Kev| | Ahhhh. |
| 08:16.50 | thebolt | |Kev|: basically it is about sending 2-4 bytes and getting as much data back from a sensor (or well, a bunch of them) over SPI/I2C bus |
| 08:17.13 | |Kev| | At this point I'm happy I live further up the stack. |
| 08:17.32 | ericb2 | people who got questions about Apache OpenOffice proposals can contact me |
| 08:17.35 | thebolt | |Kev|: i designed and built (soldered) the board it is running on ;) |
| 08:18.28 | kai | thebolt: ooh, did I mention I'm building a CnC router? :D |
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| 08:19.41 | kai | thebolt: with a 2.2 m x 1.05 m work area |
| 08:20.16 | thebolt | kai: thats pretty big.. not for hard materials then i guess? we'll probably buy one, but limited to about .5x.5m (CF and ALU stuff) |
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| 08:23.08 | kai | thebolt: nope, just for MDF, chip board and other wooden material |
| 08:24.11 | kai | we're building the router frame from MDF, too, we don't have metalworking equipment and a very limited budget |
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| 09:43.27 | fcerullo | very quiet here this morning |
| 09:43.39 | fcerullo | im the owasp gsoc administrator |
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| 09:43.49 | fcerullo | if anyone interested to have a chat |
| 09:44.00 | zhulikas | :D |
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| 10:32.18 | alina_ | does anybody know if there are any other ways to get in contact with openCV team (besides email)? |
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| 10:33.19 | |Kev| | alina_: Is email not working? |
| 10:33.23 | |Kev| | How long have you left it? |
| 10:34.18 | chrisoelmueller | if that's the only communication channel listed on the org page, there's a reason for it usually :) |
| 10:34.24 | alina_ | i dont know, 18 hours ago. since we dont have much time for discussion i expected faster responce.. |
| 10:34.42 | chrisoelmueller | turns out they also have an irc link there though. tried that? |
| 10:34.42 | |Kev| | I would usually expect a reply within a couple of days. |
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| 10:35.26 | |Kev| | Did you mail the mentor directly, or the mailing list? |
| 10:36.26 | alina_ | i tried irc, by now no responce |
| 10:38.17 | alina_ | i mailed to the address given (opencv-gsoc-2012@itseez.com) . i am not sure if one should subscribe to a mail list. |
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| 10:39.39 | alina_ | there is no assignment of mentors to the projects, so i did not know which mentor i should mail. |
| 10:39.46 | ojwb | 18 hours isn't much time for someone in a different timezone with a job |
| 10:40.04 | |Kev| | Right. |
| 10:40.11 | |Kev| | A couple of days is a more reasonable expectation. |
| 10:40.22 | ojwb | that's just 3 hours of sleep and 15 hours of work |
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| 10:41.35 | ojwb | alina_: bear in mind yours probably isn't the only email they've got from prospective students |
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| 10:42.16 | alina_ | ok, thanks. i just was not sure, how it works |
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| 10:45.58 | |GsoTn| | Hello, I need some help because I'm a little bit confused :/ I want to participate in a project ! I don't know what to do now ? I must wait for the 26th to register ? or I must give some idea to some organization to get accepted :/ |
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| 10:48.55 | |GsoTn| | #HelpPlz :) |
| 10:49.26 | gevaerts | !studentguide | |GsoTn| |
| 10:49.26 | gsocbot | |GsoTn|: "studentguide" is http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ |
| 10:53.02 | maxr_ | Mostly just suggestion time, incase you think you could provide a more effective solution to the companies' or mentors' problems. |
| 10:53.24 | ojwb | maxr_: most mentoring organisations aren't companies |
| 10:53.34 | maxr_ | Right right. |
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| 10:53.52 | ojwb | seems to be a common misconception though |
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| 10:55.09 | maxr_ | Just the first word that came to mind. The nuance is important enough to note. |
| 10:55.28 | chrisoelmueller | we usually get several patches by interested students in this phase of gsoc who want to make themselves familiar with our code |
| 10:55.54 | maxr_ | We can get source this early? |
| 10:56.08 | ojwb | um, it's *open* source |
| 10:56.10 | |Kev| | maxr_: You may have missed the point of *open* source a little :) |
| 10:56.11 | maxr_ | Yeah |
| 10:56.12 | maxr_ | lol |
| 10:56.13 | chrisoelmueller | well, open source, amongst others, means that everybody can get it :) |
| 10:56.17 | maxr_ | I just thought that one out |
| 10:56.21 | maxr_ | Its 4 am |
| 10:56.28 | maxr_ | And I've been working non stop lol |
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| 11:06.15 | zhulikas | where can I find examples of past gsoc projects? |
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| 11:06.54 | zhulikas | I have some ideas about open source projects but those are more like application implementations |
| 11:07.05 | zhulikas | not libraries, or work on existing complex codebases |
| 11:07.27 | zhulikas | I mean an interesting web application for a specific use case |
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| 11:08.35 | gevaerts | zhulikas: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/projects/list/google/gsoc2011 might help |
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| 11:08.58 | gevaerts | Only abstracts though, not full proposals |
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| 11:11.00 | zhulikas | hmm, also... |
| 11:11.16 | zhulikas | what about implementing a language support for microsoft visual studio? |
| 11:11.37 | zhulikas | visual studio is not open source |
| 11:11.42 | zhulikas | but plugin would be |
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| 11:13.05 | gevaerts | That's something to discuss with the specific organisation you're thinking of |
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| 11:14.23 | pokoko222 | how do people know what I have changed in the project |
| 11:14.29 | pokoko222 | can they see changes only, in github? |
| 11:15.00 | pokoko222 | if that is the case, will they see changes in files, for example if I added accidentally an empty space? |
| 11:16.38 | gevaerts | Of course |
| 11:17.38 | pokoko222 | ouch |
| 11:17.52 | pokoko222 | so that means if I add code and then delete I might have left empty space |
| 11:17.58 | pokoko222 | and they will see that file as changed |
| 11:18.05 | gevaerts | Don't do that then |
| 11:18.14 | maxr_ | Great part of version control is they can roll back to a place where you didn't mess up |
| 11:18.16 | pokoko222 | so what do I do, I will have to download their source again and replace the file |
| 11:18.18 | |Kev| | pokoko222: What's the problem with that? |
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| 11:18.27 | |Kev| | (With showing a whitespace difference) |
| 11:18.37 | pokoko222 | |Kev|: well I don't want to waste their time |
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| 11:18.52 | pokoko222 | I mean it happens, you go in a file make changes and then decide to revert back... |
| 11:18.53 | maxr_ | We're all students bro, that's why we're here. To learn. |
| 11:19.13 | |Kev| | Unless you're re-indenting the code (big no-no), I don't think adding a blank line is going to cause any patch reviewers much pain. |
| 11:19.13 | maxr_ | Well, except for the mentors and organizations, but you know what I mean. |
| 11:19.34 | gevaerts | |Kev|: that should still be avoided I think |
| 11:20.07 | |Kev| | gevaerts: Sure, but I don't much care about it. I'm not going to reject patches for introducing a blank line somewhere inoccuous. |
| 11:20.09 | pokoko222 | I will just replace the file |
| 11:20.12 | pokoko222 | with the original |
| 11:20.27 | |Kev| | pokoko222: Which your version control system will happily do for you, if you ask it to. |
| 11:20.43 | pokoko222 | I know very little git for now :) |
| 11:20.50 | pokoko222 | just to make it through the day |
| 11:21.03 | gevaerts | |Kev|: I tend to get extremely annoyed if I spot unintended whitespace changes in one of my own commits :) |
| 11:21.22 | pokoko222 | but I already got 500+ lines of c++ code for the project I am interested in so... I am ok with the project I just wasted some time in learning stuff like git, gdb and rest |
| 11:21.45 | maxr_ | Time is never wasted when learning git |
| 11:21.48 | maxr_ | it will save your life |
| 11:21.50 | maxr_ | multiple times over |
| 11:22.07 | pokoko222 | you guys here helped me a lot ... if I get in gsoc I am buying beer for some people here |
| 11:22.10 | pokoko222 | :D |
| 11:22.20 | maxr_ | I don't drink, but when I do.... |
| 11:22.22 | maxr_ | nahh... |
| 11:22.25 | pokoko222 | oh boy :D |
| 11:25.59 | pokoko222 | gotta go guys catch you later |
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| 13:47.59 | fcerullo | anyone looking for advice regarding owasp gsoc projects? |
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| 13:49.08 | ojwb | fcerullo: it's better to do that on your projects channels |
| 13:49.27 | ojwb | if 180 orgs all discussed their projects here, it would be unbearable |
| 13:49.55 | fcerullo | no plan to discuss the projects openly |
| 13:50.04 | fcerullo | just making myself available |
| 13:50.26 | fcerullo | and if someone wants to follow up I could go through the details privately |
| 13:50.34 | |Kev| | ojwb: I said this yesterday, I didn't get anywhere. |
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| 13:51.36 | ojwb | hey ho |
| 13:52.05 | ojwb | if 180 orgs all did what you are doing, whatever you think that is, it wouldn't work well |
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| 14:11.49 | Ko_lo | whois colonel |
| 14:11.53 | Ko_lo | fail |
| 14:12.24 | edsiper | it happens |
| 14:12.29 | edsiper | :) |
| 14:13.09 | Ko_lo | :) |
| 14:13.30 | ChadWindnagle | Quick question. I'm an admin for an org - we won't be expecting or planning for students to work / in teams/ with other students, correct? |
| 14:13.34 | zhulikas | colonel fail |
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| 14:13.58 | ChadWindnagle | I'm under the impression that students will only be really working with the assigned mentor and possibly some other consultants |
| 14:14.39 | gevaerts | ChadWindnagle: they should work with the mentor and community, but student projects should *not* depend on other gsoc students |
| 14:14.44 | sfb | ChadWindnagle: Students should not be reliant on each other for successful completion of their projects. |
| 14:14.56 | ChadWindnagle | Okay, that's about what I thought |
| 14:14.57 | |Kev| | ChadWindnagle: They can 'work together', but not in teams. |
| 14:15.09 | |Kev| | Getting the students interacting with each other and with the community at large is a Good Thing. |
| 14:15.17 | |Kev| | Just not when the projects interrelate. |
| 14:15.18 | sfb | ChadWindnagle: Collaboration is always encouraged but students should be independent from other students and preferably from "toxic" changes within your own code stream. |
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| 14:15.48 | Smoi | Hi o/ |
| 14:16.18 | |Kev| | If you're very careful, you could even manage to have two student projects that depend on each other - but you'd have to be so careful to ensure one could succeed if the other student went AWOL etc. that I wouldn't consider it. |
| 14:16.44 | |Kev| | That is - I don't think it should be attempted :) |
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| 14:17.15 | sfb | |Kev|: We had one last year to convert all the legacy JDBC to Hibernate. We had so many interested students we split it up. |
| 14:17.27 | pokoko222 | I have made a clone of the project repo and wrote some code on my machine... what do I do now? |
| 14:17.34 | pokoko222 | how do I send this to github for review |
| 14:17.39 | |Kev| | pokoko222: Find a beginner's guide to Git. |
| 14:17.41 | sfb | |Kev|: But it required careful cooperation between the mentors to make sure that each student was working on a different module and didnt duplicate any work. |
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| 14:18.00 | pokoko222 | |Kev|: yes but just in summary, what am I looking for |
| 14:18.10 | |Kev| | pokoko222: "commit" in the first instance. |
| 14:18.15 | |Kev| | "push" in the second. |
| 14:18.28 | pokoko222 | thanks will read more now |
| 14:18.31 | |Kev| | sfb: That's not really student projects depending on each other though, is it? |
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| 14:18.53 | |Kev| | It's more one big project dependent on lots of students, but without interdependency between the students. |
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| 14:20.05 | sfb | |Kev|: Not directly, but it was risky enough since they were in essence working on the same code. |
| 14:21.11 | |Kev| | sfb: Right. |
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| 15:00.25 | quentez | Hi |
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| 15:10.52 | qballer | A lot of action in this room in the past couple of days I got to say. |
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| 15:15.10 | qballer | So What kind of interesting projects have you encountered |
| 15:15.12 | qballer | ? |
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| 15:21.48 | Pat | :) |
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| 15:24.05 | Lennie | qballer, 176 of them since yesterday :P |
| 15:24.29 | qballer | LOL :D |
| 15:25.24 | qballer | Well, seriously researching them and understating if you want to do 1 out of 176 is basically a GSoC project by it's self :) |
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| 15:25.36 | qballer | I've narrow it down to 3 projects. |
| 15:25.43 | qballer | narrowed* |
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| 15:26.52 | mpreisler | qballer: unless you tell us at least some area you are interested in, it's hard to give any recommendations |
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| 15:27.40 | qballer | Well Java Server Side was my first goal but than I found some stuff that caught my eye before I started GSoC |
| 15:27.45 | qballer | So I'm down to |
| 15:27.48 | abhiin1947 | Lennie, search the tags for the topics you are interested in..it might help u narrow down |
| 15:28.05 | qballer | ASF- Whirr, Tor, Mono. |
| 15:28.10 | qballer | I did that. |
| 15:28.17 | qballer | It helps. |
| 15:28.29 | Lennie | abhiin1947, I'm an admin :P |
| 15:28.35 | mpreisler | :D |
| 15:28.36 | Lennie | abhiin1947, in fact I control the website :P |
| 15:28.39 | qballer | lol |
| 15:28.56 | Lennie | abhiin1947, thank you for trying to help me though :D |
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| 15:29.09 | abhiin1947 | Lennie, lol :D |
| 15:29.24 | abhiin1947 | Lennie, i dint notice the column on the right :P |
| 15:30.02 | pokoko222 | what kind of code should I submit for review, as patch, or precondition for gsoc application... for example I have implemented lots of algorithms for a project but I havent yet made it possible for the user to call them from command line |
| 15:30.08 | pokoko222 | would it be ok to submit the code like that |
| 15:30.34 | gevaerts | pokoko222: ask the organisation |
| 15:30.35 | blast007 | depends on the organization. ask them what they are expecting. |
| 15:30.42 | qballer | You need to supply code to a GSoC proposal ? |
| 15:30.46 | pokoko222 | yes |
| 15:30.50 | kai | !this cookie | Lennie |
| 15:30.50 | gsocbot | Lennie: "this cookie" is for you |
| 15:30.57 | pokoko222 | but it is not done yet, but still I want to submit faster |
| 15:31.05 | gevaerts | qballer: depends on the organisation. Some will ask for that |
| 15:31.09 | pokoko222 | cause other people might submit similar stuff |
| 15:31.17 | qballer | Hmm.. |
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| 15:31.25 | qballer | Didn't know that. |
| 15:31.31 | pokoko222 | I mean it is not that cruical anyways |
| 15:31.34 | pokoko222 | I already have the algorithms |
| 15:31.42 | pokoko222 | but now you cant call them from command line |
| 15:32.03 | pokoko222 | it will take me a day or more to find out how they parse command line calls ... instead I could just let them know of what I did now |
| 15:32.12 | pokoko222 | before someone else sends similar things :D |
| 15:32.34 | tomprince | pokoko222: Why are you telling us this. Go talk to the org. |
| 15:33.33 | pokoko222 | ok |
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| 16:00.12 | GenX | can one send more than one proposal to same organization ? |
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| 16:00.28 | mpreisler | GenX: yes |
| 16:01.06 | GenX | mpreisler, thanks |
| 16:01.12 | mpreisler | GenX: I think talking with the community and figuring out the more desired project and then working hard on that proposal is better though |
| 16:01.29 | GenX | ok |
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| 16:14.52 | mpreisler | snizzo: hi |
| 16:15.39 | snizzo | snizzo: hi |
| 16:16.43 | snizzo | mpreisler: kulik? :P |
| 16:17.07 | mpreisler | snizzo: yup |
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| 17:04.46 | DrinknDerive_ | Hey everybody! |
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| 17:07.27 | DrinknDerive_ | Hey there I'd love to participate in the summer of code but I don't have much experience I've only taken a Object orientated programming class and a few python classes. |
| 17:07.54 | Catfish_Man | *oriented |
| 17:08.24 | DrinknDerive_ | Thanks for your input! |
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| 17:08.43 | Catfish_Man | DrinknDerive_: more seriously, you should look at projects that were completed last year |
| 17:08.47 | Catfish_Man | and see if there are any you feel you could have done |
| 17:09.56 | gevaerts | !goodenough |
| 17:09.56 | gsocbot | gevaerts: "goodenough" is Am I good enough to be a student for GSoC? http://www.booki.cc/gsocstudentguide/am-i-good-enough/ |
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| 17:11.39 | DrinknDerive_ | Hey guys thanks so much for your time! |
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| 17:47.01 | suyogp | hi,can i get email id of mentor for processing.org? |
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| 17:54.07 | agliodbs | suyogp: wait, what do you need exactly? |
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| 17:57.28 | suyogp | agliodbs:i am vey much interested in processing,but I am not able to get the contact detail of mentor.Their site is saying to signup(paid) to post queries. |
| 17:57.57 | suyogp | how can i contact mentor of it? |
| 17:58.03 | agliodbs | suyogp: you're a student, and you want to contact a mentor? |
| 17:58.10 | suyogp | yes |
| 17:58.21 | agliodbs | where's their project page? |
| 17:58.25 | tzbob | suyogp, are you talking about the e-cidadania mentor? |
| 17:58.30 | agliodbs | their ideas page? that should have contact information |
| 17:58.47 | tzbob | oh, nevermind ^^ |
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| 17:59.53 | suyogp | tzbob-no |
| 18:00.35 | suyogp | their ideas page dont give any idea about mentor. |
| 18:01.39 | suyogp | here is idea page-http://code.google.com/p/processing/wiki/ProjectList |
| 18:02.35 | tzbob | how about their forum? |
| 18:04.06 | suyogp | Their forum site is saying to signup (for which we have to pay ) to post queries |
| 18:05.25 | Michitux | why do you need to pay for the forum? I haven't signed up there, but I couldn't see any hint in the singup form that one needs to pay for it |
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| 18:10.44 | suyogp | i used zoho |
| 18:10.51 | marinaz | suyogp: you can join #processing channel on this server and ask there |
| 18:11.00 | marinaz | it's the development channel for the project |
| 18:11.28 | suyogp | ok |
| 18:11.30 | marinaz | beyond that look at there bug tracking system and instructions for getting involved: http://code.google.com/p/processing/ |
| 18:12.01 | suyogp | thanks |
| 18:12.04 | marinaz | suyogp: you are right that they don't provide a contact mailing list or IRC channel; probably worth pointing it out to them |
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| 18:20.08 | sumnhy | hi! i want to participate in gsoc 2012. |
| 18:20.18 | sumnhy | how should i proceed?? |
| 18:20.38 | gevaerts | !studentguide | sumnhy |
| 18:20.38 | gsocbot | sumnhy: "studentguide" is http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ |
| 18:20.38 | ChadWindnagle | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:21.08 | sumnhy | hmm! thanks..:) |
| 18:21.23 | sumnhy | i wil refer to student guide |
| 18:21.30 | ChadWindnagle | Good luck! |
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| 18:22.03 | sumnhy | thanks |
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| 18:24.24 | Annaa | hey,for gsoc student application:Is it that the sooner you send the application,the better are chances of selection.? |
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| 18:24.57 | gevaerts | Annaa: not entirely. The sooner you start talking to the organisation the better |
| 18:25.07 | Catfish_Man | Annaa: The only thing that influences your selection is what mentors decide based on the information they have available. |
| 18:25.24 | marinaz | Annaa: the more you connect with the mentor, agree about a useful project, and contribute small patches, the better your chances |
| 18:25.49 | gevaerts | That said, submitting early definitely doesn't hurt and seriously reduces the risk of accidentally missing the deadline |
| 18:26.11 | DrinknDerive_ | Where can we get start talking to the mentors |
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| 18:26.44 | Annaa | K.. |
| 18:26.47 | Annaa | Thanks.. |
| 18:26.51 | Catfish_Man | DrinknDerive_: in order for an open source project to exist, the people involved have to be able to communicate. Find out how they do it, and then do the same. Typically, irc or a mailing list |
| 18:27.05 | agliodbs | DrinknDerive_: the Ideas Page of the project to which you want to apply should have contact information |
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| 18:27.12 | agliodbs | as should the project profile on Melange |
| 18:27.38 | bsb_ | hi! couldn't find scilabs in selected organizations list today. It was there when new list was out. Infact there website is still showing that they have been selected. So r they? |
| 18:28.29 | agliodbs | maybe their GSOC project name is different? |
| 18:28.33 | gevaerts | bsb_: my guess is you're not looking properly |
| 18:28.40 | gevaerts | They're in the list |
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| 18:31.36 | marinaz | suyogp: yeah, it looks like there is really no handy info - saw that you just posted a comment on their wiki - that makes sense; maybe look for who Ben and Andres Colubri are, find their blogs, and see if you can find their e-mail addresses; but mainly just figure out as much information about the proposed ideas that interest you the most and find small bugs you can fix in the meantime |
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| 18:35.33 | marinaz | suyogp: also, not sure if there is their current list for development because the archives are not showing up, but you can try subscribing http://mail.processing.org/listinfo/dev |
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| 18:39.25 | agliodbs | hmmm. someone from google should bug them. I'm surprised that processing.org got accepted without solid contact information |
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| 18:40.52 | suyogp | agliodbs: I agree |
| 18:41.17 | agliodbs | carols is offline right now though |
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| 18:42.45 | Michitux | some people have used their forum, see http://forum.processing.org/search/gsoc - but I can't see any recent replies to these topics there |
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| 18:44.40 | Michitux | and on the homepage they have a list of developers (link is at the bottom) with links to their blogs where you can find email adresses (at least for the first I checked) |
| 18:44.43 | novice | frnds i am getting problem in locating contact to refer my mentor..plz help |
| 18:46.01 | novice | its rare i hav checked but not found much |
| 18:47.32 | agliodbs | novice: what project? |
| 18:48.12 | novice | wait i hav to get tht link |
| 18:48.23 | gevaerts | recommends not avoiding vowels |
| 18:48.25 | marinaz | suyogp: with respect to IRC, just hang out on their channel for a couple days - see what kind of discussion it has - if you see someone who knows what they are talking about, repeat your question then :) |
| 18:48.53 | marinaz | gevaerts, you give excellent recommendations :)! |
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| 18:49.25 | suyogp | marinaz: i am not getting any response from there channel |
| 18:49.31 | |Kev| | gvrts - rght |
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| 18:50.08 | GenX | does mentors have any monetary aid ? |
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| 18:50.20 | |Kev| | GenX: Often not. |
| 18:50.34 | marinaz | suyogp: yes, I see (I joined too) - that's why I'm saying hang around for a couple days and see if the channel is how the key developers communicate at all |
| 18:50.46 | |Kev| | The orgs get a relatively small amount for each student mentored, but that often (usually) doesn't go to the mentors. |
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| 18:50.57 | |Kev| | *usually? |
| 18:51.02 | GenX | ok |
| 18:51.12 | |Kev| | (That was supposed to be a question, I don't know if it's usually) |
| 18:51.14 | suyogp | ya ill try that |
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| 18:51.37 | suyogp | thanks marinaz for ur response |
| 18:51.54 | |Kev| | "your", please. |
| 18:52.11 | suyogp | r u a mentor? |
| 18:52.19 | gevaerts | Unless you mean Tell el-Muqayyar :) |
| 18:52.32 | |Kev| | Please use full words and not text speak. |
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| 18:53.03 | marinaz | suyogp: sure, hope it works out with processing - just follow all the other info on their ideas page and what Michitux said about developer blogs is also worth checking out; if not check out these friendly projects that have mentors readily listed http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/Mentors |
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| 18:53.34 | agliodbs | yeah, what is it with the 1337-speak today? |
| 18:53.38 | suyogp | Marinaz: thank you very much |
| 18:53.58 | marinaz | suyogp: welcome! |
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| 18:55.46 | Applify | I might be wrong, but mentors, aren't there too many android devs participating or is this normal? |
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| 18:56.28 | |Kev| | Students or orgs? |
| 18:56.35 | Applify | students |
| 18:57.01 | |Kev| | Applications haven't opened - no-one's participating yet :) |
| 18:57.32 | Applify | :) on the forums atleast |
| 18:58.05 | |Kev| | I don't think that's a representative sample. |
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| 18:58.12 | Applify | or probably im just nervous coz theyre all competition for me... :P |
| 18:58.44 | gevaerts | Maybe there's only one too many ;) |
| 18:59.00 | Applify | haha |
| 18:59.19 | tzbob | Applify I'm having the same issues |
| 18:59.31 | tzbob | self confidence is getting a punch in the face XD |
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| 18:59.55 | Applify | yes exactly |
| 19:00.42 | gevaerts | Numbers don't mean much. Write the best proposal you can and start impressing the organisation(s) of your choice now, and you'll have a better chance than the majority |
| 19:01.03 | tzbob | I've been focusing on bug fixes |
| 19:01.14 | gevaerts | nods |
| 19:01.16 | gevaerts | !stats |
| 19:01.16 | gsocbot | gevaerts: I have 2 registered users with 2 registered hostmasks; 1 owner and 0 admins. |
| 19:01.20 | gevaerts | !numapps |
| 19:01.20 | gsocbot | gevaerts: "numapps" is 180 of 406 potential mentoring orgs were accepted in 2012. In 2011, 175 of 417 orgs were accepted; 3731 potential students submitted 5474 proposals, of which 1116 were accepted. In 2010, 151 of 367 orgs were accepted; 3464 students submitted 5539 proposals, and 1026 were accepted. |
| 19:01.35 | tzbob | I'm a programmer though, not much of a writer I hope that's enough |
| 19:02.03 | tzbob | I'm kind of scared that a lot of people will write an epic proposal haha |
| 19:02.09 | gevaerts | That sort of thing ^^ is rather misleading. We don't have numbers on how many of those 5539 proposals were simply unusable, but it tends to be a significant number |
| 19:02.26 | Applify | unfortunately the application duration is in the middle of my exams |
| 19:02.48 | tomprince | Applify: so write you application now. |
| 19:03.00 | tzbob | I'm writing a thesis during the preparation period |
| 19:03.00 | Michitux | we had last year one mobile app idea, a significant part of our applications was for that idea, but the majority of these applications had a pretty low quality |
| 19:03.20 | Applify | I would if i get replies from the orgs im in talks with |
| 19:03.36 | tomprince | tzbob: I suspect many developers (i.e. potential mentors) are somewhat similiar. |
| 19:03.44 | tzbob | I hope so |
| 19:03.49 | Applify | Michitux: how would you define a low quality application? |
| 19:04.10 | |Kev| | Not answering the questions in the form is a good start. |
| 19:04.11 | tzbob | I'll go all out during summer so I hope I won't get declined because of that |
| 19:04.21 | |Kev| | Not contacting the org before the end of the application period, etc. |
| 19:05.09 | Michitux | Applify: no details, we didn't have any idea if the student had understood what we want or it was obvious that he hadn't, in many cases there was no way for us to see if the students was capable doing the project |
| 19:05.18 | gevaerts | Summarising the idea instead of expanding it |
| 19:05.39 | |Kev| | Or, an excellent one, copy/pasting the same application to multiple orgs. |
| 19:06.22 | Michitux | we did also ask for ui mockups, I think we had one or two students who managed to provide very simple ui mockups |
| 19:06.42 | Michitux | and one of them promised them with deadlines he didn't adhere to |
| 19:07.07 | Applify | hmm, and does it matter If i start getting involved a bit later than the others but before the deadline? especially for patch submissions? |
| 19:07.27 | Michitux | iirc only one of the students was actually able to show us that he had written any android application himself before |
| 19:08.28 | |Kev| | Applify: It matters, generally, only in as much as it gives you less time to do what's needed. |
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| 19:08.49 | Applify | i see |
| 19:09.05 | Applify | Michitux: Going through the forums right now I see all android devs having ample experience to show...or atleast say that they have |
| 19:09.30 | gevaerts | Also, if you don't have time to start actually working on patches now, you might have time to discuss ideas |
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| 19:10.11 | Michitux | I think one problem if you are late is that you have less time for reacting on feedback from the org, i.e. you write something, the somebody reacts, you adjust, ... - that cycle could need some time |
| 19:10.22 | Michitux | *then |
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| 19:11.43 | Applify | I think talking to the orgs isnt a problem in terms of time, but making patches etc. could be a problem, especially when youre trying everything in parallel to your exams.. |
| 19:11.57 | gevaerts | This unfortunately is again one of those things that depend on the organisation. Some popular orgs get lots of applications, so they can afford to be *very* picky. Others will get a lot less, so they'll provide more feedback and be more understanding of that sort of problem to get at a decent number of decent proposals |
| 19:12.38 | Michitux | Applify: I meant something like: you post a mockup, three people reply, you post a new revision, again some people reply, ... |
| 19:12.38 | Applify | How much would showing existing projects (hosted on github etc) related to the area of development can replace making patches/demos ? |
| 19:13.02 | gevaerts | Technically you can still provide patches until the decision deadline. The actual application deadline is less important, but again, it depends on the org... |
| 19:13.31 | gevaerts | Applify: that will help a lot, actually |
| 19:13.38 | Applify | oh great. |
| 19:13.46 | Ko_lo | Applify: showing github projects won't show that you are involved in the org project, but it still help a lot |
| 19:14.27 | Guest51623 | it's like any resume, experience vs. interest in the org |
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| 19:15.24 | tzbob | Applify: most orgs even ask for your projects or github |
| 19:15.46 | Applify | yes i noticed that. But those are generally the ones who arent asking for patches.. |
| 19:16.34 | mgugel | if you're developing an android app, patching their main software isn't representive of showing you can develop the app |
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| 19:16.38 | mgugel | makes sense no |
| 19:16.53 | Michitux | for us it was two things: a) show that you have understood the project by showing mockups, doing a little plugin, patch, ... and b) show that you can code with code quality etc. and for point b) your github projects count of course |
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| 19:21.28 | Michitux | mgugel: and yes, I would agree with that, other orgs might see that differently, but you can still convince by e.g. knowing how the android app would be structured, make some ui mockups and explain how the workflow could be etc. and then of course your existing projects count or if you can create a little prototype with a tiny part of the functionality for the application |
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| 19:28.08 | dodev | ups |
| 19:28.09 | dodev | :) |
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| 19:28.46 | gevaerts | recommends shopping for a new password :) |
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| 19:30.20 | JordiGH | I recommend this for generating passwords: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/569669/ |
| 19:30.50 | |Kev| | JordiGH: Not http://xkcd.com/221/ ? |
| 19:31.20 | gevaerts | is happy that sshkeygen.com seems to be gone :) |
| 19:31.30 | JordiGH | I suppose you're taking this approach? http://xkcd.com/916/ |
| 19:32.06 | JordiGH | But seriously folks, I'm really happy with xkcd passwords. I just wish more things let me use them and realised how they really are secure. |
| 19:33.06 | JordiGH | gevaerts: What was that? |
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| 19:33.49 | gevaerts | JordiGH: exactly what you'd expect. A website that generated ssh keys for you and promised not to keep the private key around |
| 19:33.57 | JordiGH | wut |
| 19:34.17 | |Kev| | Sounds like an important service. |
| 19:34.34 | |Kev| | Did it also offer to install it in authorized_keys if you told it the hostname and password? |
| 19:35.08 | gevaerts | I have no idea if it was malicious, a joke, or just done without thinking |
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| 19:37.45 | JordiGH | assumes malice because stupidity will not suffice. |
| 19:38.53 | JordiGH | My old email password was sunspotsmirkoverpopulatesthought. |
| 19:38.56 | JordiGH | Good stuff. |
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| 19:39.34 | Ko_lo | bless you JordiGH |
| 19:40.05 | JordiGH | ? |
| 19:40.08 | JordiGH | I didn't sneeze. |
| 19:40.29 | Ko_lo | thought so with your password :) |
| 19:41.00 | JordiGH | sunspot smirk overpopulates thought |
| 19:41.02 | JordiGH | Is that better? |
| 19:41.18 | Ko_lo | oh, yes :) |
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| 19:41.38 | JordiGH | I like it, it's even kinda poetic. |
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| 20:20.51 | carols | serves some tea and cookies |
| 20:21.53 | denials | holds his cup daintily |
| 20:22.20 | Ko_lo | thank for tea with some cookies in mooth |
| 20:22.42 | gevaerts | could use some tea |
| 20:22.53 | meflin | mmmm tea |
| 20:23.27 | Ko_lo | mouth* |
| 20:23.29 | aghisla | adds amaretti |
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| 20:27.23 | gevaerts | carols: we had some trouble earlier finding contact details for processing.org. It seems to be basically impossible to figure out how to contact them properly, even for more experienced open source people |
| 20:27.39 | carols | gevaerts: alright, i'll email the admins |
| 20:28.12 | gevaerts | Great. Students *will* be grateful! |
| 20:29.32 | |Kev| | I had a brief look around, and it wasn't entirely obvious to me either. |
| 20:30.00 | |Kev| | I think I decided that the ToS of the forum talking about paid services wasn't relevant because the forum itself wasn't a paid service, but it was pretty offputting. |
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| 20:40.23 | pokoko222 | I am sending my first code tonight :D |
| 20:40.27 | pokoko222 | woh it is hot |
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| 21:22.48 | *** topic/#gsoc is http://www.google-melange.com Google Summer of Code 2012 has started! Accepted organizations have been announced. You can check out the timeline: http://goo.gl/FQb2b and the FAQs: http://goo.gl/Lh4R8 for more information. |
| 21:23.02 | ries | Hey all, for tomorrows rejected organizations session, I am suppose to register or can I just hang out here? |
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| 21:23.31 | carols | ries: you'll just hang out here. you'll be asked to reidentify yourself with the name off your org, but it will all be revealed to you |
| 21:24.00 | carols | !logs |
| 21:24.00 | gsocbot | carols: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
| 21:24.25 | ries | carols: ok… Somebody else handled our registration, M am just a backup and he asked me to register and put my name for feedback… |
| 21:24.34 | carols | ries: that's fine. |
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| 21:24.45 | ries | thanks carols |
| 21:24.49 | carols | yw |
| 21:25.01 | ries | I am on free node… as always… more then a decennia already! |
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| 21:30.40 | carols | kai: you around? |
| 21:31.54 | carols | kblin: maybe on this handle? |
| 21:31.55 | carols | :-) |
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| 21:34.01 | agliodbs | carols: he was here this morning |
| 21:34.11 | carols | ok, no problem. thanks agliodbs |
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| 21:40.29 | pokoko222 | I see people send code through github |
| 21:40.44 | pokoko222 | is it ok if I send on mailing list just the one file I worked on for review? |
| 21:40.55 | pokoko222 | and ask for further guidance whether I should send code on github |
| 21:41.26 | gevaerts | !learn itdepends as That depends on the organisation. Ask them. |
| 21:41.26 | gsocbot | gevaerts: "itdepends" is That depends on the organisation. Ask them. |
| 21:43.02 | pokoko222 | yeah but sometimes I am scared :D |
| 21:43.22 | pokoko222 | what if they say oh dude you should have sent on github bla bla |
| 21:43.37 | gevaerts | That's why you ask them! |
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| 21:43.54 | pokoko222 | ok I guess I got no other option I will just send the file and ask for guidance |
| 21:44.12 | pokoko222 | I still have time to submit for official code before deadline |
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| 21:47.20 | tomprince | Better to ask questions, and show you are interested and maybe look silly, then to not speak at all. |
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| 22:06.48 | pokoko222 | what is the difference between github commit and a push? |
| 22:07.11 | agliodbs | commit commits to your *local* repo |
| 22:07.17 | agliodbs | push pushes to github |
| 22:07.27 | pokoko222 | by local you mean on my pc |
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| 22:08.13 | Jooles_ | pokoko222, The point is that this way you can commit even when not anywhere near net access |
| 22:08.45 | gevaerts | I'd say that that's a useful side effect of the lot, not the main point |
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| 22:09.00 | pokoko222 | so once you guys code something what do you do |
| 22:09.21 | pokoko222 | I wrote lot of code but dont know how to send to github |
| 22:09.24 | gevaerts | Test, check for compiler warnings, and test again :) |
| 22:09.34 | pokoko222 | no I meant once you are done with that :) |
| 22:09.41 | Catfish_Man | pokoko222: http://sixrevisions.com/resources/git-tutorials-beginners/ :) |
| 22:09.42 | pokoko222 | and want to submit code to be reviewed for gsoc |
| 22:09.47 | gevaerts | Fix the bugs! |
| 22:10.07 | pokoko222 | I did not fix bugs but I wrote 800 lines of algorithms these days :) |
| 22:10.13 | Catfish_Man | pokoko222: depends on the project. You should find out what their procedure is |
| 22:10.26 | Catfish_Man | pokoko222: for WebKit, for example, you post a patch in bugzilla and mark it as needing review |
| 22:10.48 | pokoko222 | I am scared to send file on mailing list |
| 22:10.59 | pokoko222 | I can say there what I did only and ask for further guidance how to submit |
| 22:11.16 | pokoko222 | has it happened... probably has :D someone to steal code on mailing lists |
| 22:11.23 | gevaerts | Steal? |
| 22:11.32 | Catfish_Man | it's friggin' open source code |
| 22:11.36 | Catfish_Man | how can it be stolen? |
| 22:11.38 | gevaerts | tells pokoko222 about this concept called "open source" |
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| 22:12.31 | gevaerts | Well, it can be, but not in a way that's very interesting within the gsoc context I think |
| 22:14.01 | pokoko222 | Catfish_Man: you just have to be careful |
| 22:14.07 | pokoko222 | someone can take it and say he wrote it |
| 22:14.09 | pokoko222 | :D |
| 22:14.15 | gevaerts | And then what? |
| 22:14.20 | Catfish_Man | pokoko222: no they can't. It's on a public mailing list, with your name on it, before that guy said it |
| 22:14.25 | gevaerts | He'll get pointed at your mail |
| 22:14.53 | pokoko222 | so I am safe to send code ONLY to mailing list |
| 22:15.05 | gevaerts | is confused |
| 22:15.07 | pokoko222 | and not at github... |
| 22:15.11 | gevaerts | Why not? |
| 22:15.14 | pokoko222 | oki doki |
| 22:15.17 | Catfish_Man | pokoko222: posting it on github is also public, with a date attached |
| 22:16.49 | pokoko222 | what commands do you use on linux to post on github |
| 22:17.02 | Catfish_Man | I don't use linux, or post on github |
| 22:17.09 | gevaerts | I'm pretty sure github has a page about that |
| 22:17.22 | pokoko222 | gevaerts: well it has lots of pages |
| 22:17.33 | pokoko222 | wont make it to read, I need to send code in half an hour |
| 22:17.35 | pokoko222 | :( |
| 22:17.44 | pokoko222 | in worst case I will send on mail list |
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| 22:18.14 | Catfish_Man | pokoko222: being capable of reading documentation and figuring out how to submit a patch is actually one of the things many mentors filter candidates on |
| 22:18.24 | Catfish_Man | it indicates a baseline level of self-reliance and comprehension |
| 22:18.45 | pokoko222 | oh boy |
| 22:19.10 | pokoko222 | can I read/learn everything I need to know in hour? |
| 22:19.35 | Catfish_Man | I don't know, can you? It's generally relatively simple |
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| 23:10.07 | schumaml | does melange show me my role inside an org anywhere? |
| 23:11.47 | ThomasWaldmann | schumaml: are you the first org admin? |
| 23:11.53 | schumaml | no |
| 23:12.20 | ThomasWaldmann | the org admin has a display "members of my org", but is not listed there himself |
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| 23:35.21 | Lennie | ThomasWaldmann, schumaml should be fixed next release :) |
| 23:35.29 | Lennie | if not now |
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| 23:37.49 | ojwb | does the person nominated as backup admin on the application get made an admin automatically? |
| 23:37.58 | ojwb | mine isn't showing up in the list either |
| 23:38.25 | meflin | they must be invited |
| 23:38.44 | ojwb | ta |
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| 23:40.14 | schumaml | wasn't this automatic in previous years? |
| 23:40.30 | meflin | can't say first year as primary admin |
| 23:41.51 | meflin | it seemms obvious tho :D |
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| 23:42.18 | JordiGH | Sigh, Google, please don't set background colour in text fields without also setting foreground and viceversa. |
| 23:42.22 | ojwb | schumaml: not sure |
| 23:42.34 | JordiGH | Black is *not* the default foreground colour. Nor is white the default background. |
| 23:42.41 | ojwb | silver! |
| 23:43.02 | JordiGH | There is no default. They've recently changed their CSS to set the background without setting the foreground. |
| 23:43.23 | ojwb | the default background should be silver, like in the good old days |
| 23:44.01 | gevaerts | You mean the default default background? |
| 23:44.13 | JordiGH | You guys don't use dark themes? |
| 23:44.20 | JordiGH | This is really obvious with a dark theme. |
| 23:44.31 | ojwb | don't use themes at all |
| 23:44.37 | JordiGH | Yes you do. |
| 23:44.40 | JordiGH | You must use some theme. |
| 23:44.51 | JordiGH | Or you must have accepted the defaul theme that was given to you. |
| 23:45.17 | ojwb | well, you're making assumptions there |
| 23:45.34 | ojwb | though they are probably correct |
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| 23:45.59 | JordiGH | I'll file a Melange bug... |
| 23:46.15 | JordiGH | Where's the url? |
| 23:46.27 | JordiGH | !bugs |
| 23:46.28 | gsocbot | JordiGH: "bugs" is http://tinyurl.com/new-issue |
| 23:46.36 | JordiGH | Thanks. |
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| 23:47.13 | ojwb | melange isn't really very "google" |
| 23:47.37 | JordiGH | google.com has started doing this too. |
| 23:47.44 | JordiGH | They've spread the bug elsewhere. |
| 23:49.10 | meflin | I hope you had a good nowruz JordiGH , I did |
| 23:49.17 | JordiGH | meflin: I did. |
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| 23:50.37 | JordiGH | So it's supposed to look like this: http://jordi.platinum.linux.pl/piccies/melange-screenshot.png |
| 23:50.45 | JordiGH | Instead it looks like this: http://jordi.platinum.linux.pl/piccies/melange-profile-screenshot.png |
| 23:51.01 | JordiGH | Not enough contrast in text fields. Difficult to read. |
| 23:51.46 | ojwb | i don't think anyone's trying to claim it isn't an issue |
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