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| 01:06.23 | kamalbanga | i have been hanging out in gsoc irc since last 24 hours, but still couldn't figure out what's prime time for communication, i.e. when maximum number of users are active... |
| 01:06.52 | Catfish_Man | kamalbanga: it may also vary with the day of the week |
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| 01:07.37 | kamalbanga | today is the last day of discussion, application starts tomorrow, so today, traffic should be high, isn't it? |
| 01:07.48 | Catfish_Man | seems logical to me |
| 01:07.57 | Catfish_Man | tomorrow may be a bit crazy |
| 01:09.11 | kamalbanga | :) |
| 01:11.18 | ojwb | you can keep discussing this coming week |
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| 01:12.07 | pokoko222 | about github, I forked 5 days ago |
| 01:12.16 | pokoko222 | how do I keep my fork updated I am kinda confused about that |
| 01:12.40 | ojwb | pokoko222: see any git tutorial |
| 01:13.02 | pokoko222 | I dont know what to look for that is why I ask |
| 01:13.44 | ojwb | try googling for: git updating fork |
| 01:14.41 | ojwb | it's there in the github docs, and hardly difficult to find |
| 01:15.15 | ojwb | you need to show some initiative in solving problems, or else you'll drive your mentor spare |
| 01:17.05 | kamalbanga | does anyone here understand snapshot algorithm used by git, which apparently seems different from traditional diff used in other versioning systems? |
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| 01:37.39 | georgewg | apologies for noobquestion, but is there a gsoc channel for discussing proj. ideas? or would this be it? |
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| 01:42.05 | kamalbanga | georgewg: i think that should be done on your project's irc, like if your project is on drupal, it channel would be something like #drupal |
| 01:42.22 | kamalbanga | *it's not it |
| 01:43.50 | ojwb | indeed, though not all orgs use IRC, so you may need to use a mailing list or forum - see the contact details on each org page in melange for the methods available |
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| 01:47.14 | kamalbanga | does anyone here understand snapshot algorithm used by git, which apparently seems different from traditional diff used in other versioning systems?, forgive for repeating the question |
| 01:48.36 | thiago | kamalbanga: there is no snapshot algorithm |
| 01:49.31 | kamalbanga | thiago: then what is the meaning of storing snapshots of file? What is a snapshot, the buzzword used in it's reference? |
| 01:49.38 | wtachi | kamalbanga: you should ask #git, and explain the differences you're seeing |
| 01:49.49 | thiago | kamalbanga: it stores the actual files |
| 01:50.08 | kamalbanga | wtachi: sure, i would do that |
| 01:50.41 | kamalbanga | thiago: then how can it be efficient if it stores the complete files for all the versions...! |
| 01:51.48 | thiago | why wouldn't it be? |
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| 01:52.32 | Gentlecat | !logs |
| 01:52.32 | gsocbot | Gentlecat: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
| 01:52.34 | kamalbanga | thiago: because difference between consecutive versions is very small, which is the reason other versioning systems use diff tool |
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| 01:52.56 | kamalbanga | thiage: and hence memory usage would go very high |
| 01:53.13 | thiago | kamalbanga: git stores each version of the file in full |
| 01:53.13 | kamalbanga | thiago: and hence memory usage would go very high, sorry |
| 01:53.17 | thiago | it compresses later |
| 01:53.25 | thiago | empyrical evidence shows that it is very efficient |
| 01:54.12 | wtachi | as I understand it, there's an intermediate layer where Git shows the full contents of each version |
| 01:54.23 | kamalbanga | thiago: i was just trying to understand it theoretically, i mean what is the use of some special software if it stores all files in full, one can directly do that |
| 01:54.48 | thiago | kamalbanga: because your assumption is wrong |
| 01:54.52 | wtachi | below that layer, the actual on-disk storage format uses compression and a kind of diffs |
| 01:54.54 | thiago | you're assuming that storing diffs is more efficient |
| 01:54.58 | thiago | the evidence says the contrary |
| 01:55.36 | kamalbanga | thiago: that may be the reason, thanx for responding.. :) |
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| 01:57.44 | kamalbanga | thiago: one more thing, the algorithm used by git is no algorithm at all, isn't it, which rule may have been derived empirically from the previous versioning systems... |
| 01:58.24 | thiago | the first level approach, like wtachi said, is that it's no algorithm at all |
| 01:58.29 | thiago | it just stores everything as-is |
| 01:58.53 | thiago | in the second-level, it compresses and diffs chunks of data. |
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| 02:00.22 | kamalbanga | thiago: i think compression has it's limit, and compressed file is not much smaller than the original one, so it's basically "diff"ing... |
| 02:01.41 | thiago | the compressed file is much smaller than the original one |
| 02:03.21 | summatusmentis | it is true that compression has a limit though |
| 02:06.21 | kamalbanga | summatusementis: no, i m sorry for saying it. i don't have any idea per se, |
| 02:07.28 | MatthewWilkes | thinks you should all use Visual Source Safe |
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| 02:09.49 | b152341 | i just found out about gsoc by a post on my school's website that was posted only yesterday. Am I going to be able to build a decent proposal in such a short time? |
| 02:10.32 | b152341 | i know this will vary from person to person, but I could use someones thoughts on that |
| 02:13.57 | summatusmentis | kamalbanga: I'm not reprimanding you, compression does have a limit |
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| 02:16.30 | kamalbanga | summatusmentis: would you give me some link, that talks about this limit, i am not getting it on googling... |
| 02:18.29 | thiago | depends on the algorithm |
| 02:18.39 | summatusmentis | well, it really depends on the algorithm being used for compression. Each algorithm will have it's own limit, but even assuming some perfect algorithm for compression, you can't go past zero space (which does not happen) |
| 02:19.12 | kamalbanga | and it must also be depending on the data, which is trivial i guess |
| 02:19.27 | thiago | again, it depends on the algorithm |
| 02:19.35 | thiago | some algorithms might not compress arbitrary data, only special forms |
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| 02:19.44 | thiago | take FLAC for example: it only compresses waveforms |
| 02:20.06 | kamalbanga | k.. |
| 02:20.32 | thiago | so I could devise an algorithm that only compresses one type of file: a file with the exact same byte repeated over and over again |
| 02:20.53 | kamalbanga | ya exactly, got it |
| 02:20.56 | thiago | that means I can compress it to just the storage necessary to enecode the size |
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| 02:21.16 | kamalbanga | and i think i would learn these algorithms in detail in my 'information theory' course |
| 02:22.10 | thiago | you probably only learn the simple ones, like run-length encoding, huffman buffers, etc. |
| 02:22.55 | kamalbanga | for example a...z repeated thousand times can be stored in 26 characters + size of integer 1000 |
| 02:22.58 | kamalbanga | i guess |
| 02:23.34 | kamalbanga | because then i would make abc...z an individual object to be further repeated 1000 times |
| 02:25.27 | kamalbanga | algorithm of flac would be devised by some master blaster, who would have patented his algorithm, then how it still is GNU GPL licensed! |
| 02:26.15 | thiago | FLAC is very simple, very ingenious |
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| 02:26.37 | kamalbanga | ok |
| 02:26.39 | thiago | it uses a lossy algorithm to compress the sound, then it encodes the bits that were lost in that process |
| 02:27.05 | kamalbanga | wow! |
| 02:27.09 | kamalbanga | sounds simple |
| 02:28.45 | kamalbanga | that's all, thanx guys, especially thiago and summatusmentis |
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| 02:29.54 | Catfish_Man | thiago: huh. Best thing I've heard all week. Thank you :) |
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| 06:03.36 | hybrid_ | _o_o_ oOo _o_o_ |
| 06:03.58 | hybrid_ | is there other irc gsoc channels? |
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| 06:07.52 | kblin | not sure what you're asking, there's a lot of project-specific channels where people disuss the gsoc things specific to their project |
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| 06:27.28 | thebolt | hi kblin |
| 06:29.43 | kblin | hey thebolt |
| 06:33.51 | thebolt | how're you doing? |
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| 06:50.12 | kblin | thebolt: doing fine, having a samba code sprint this week |
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| 07:00.27 | kblin | or I would, if my stupid editor would cooperate :/ |
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| 07:05.49 | gsocbot | GenX: "next" is Mar 26 19:00 UTC - Student Application period opens |
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| 08:05.40 | jaypanda | hey.. the opencv mentors aren't responding... any help ? |
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| 08:19.19 | mlankhorst | Darn, just gotten used to waking up early, having daylight saving time is making it late again.. |
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| 08:25.19 | kblin | mlankhorst: but now you've got experience in making yourself wake up early |
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| 08:56.58 | olly | jaypanda: we don't have a magic hotline - either wait longer ot try a different org |
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| 09:20.54 | kblin | olly: a hotline would be nice, though |
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| 09:23.00 | olly | kblin: especially a magic one |
| 09:23.42 | olly | heh, there's an org tagged "a+++++ would do business with again" |
| 09:23.53 | barrbrain | :O |
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| 09:25.09 | MatthewWilkes | lol |
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| 09:38.46 | addictzabhi | hello |
| 09:39.17 | addictzabhi | can anyone tell me about the "integrate the google breakpad" project |
| 09:39.26 | MatthewWilkes | !anyone | addictzabhi |
| 09:39.26 | gsocbot | addictzabhi: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. Try searching for the org's contact info or even just try a /join #<mentoring org here> |
| 09:40.05 | addictzabhi | oh.. i tried ember but there was no other person except me |
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| 09:41.59 | gevaerts | wonders which one the 180th organisation might be |
| 09:42.47 | gevaerts | also wonders how we were supposed to know which organisation that google breakpad was from |
| 09:42.55 | gevaerts | *project |
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| 09:46.29 | _hsr | I know its realy, but I think GSoC has already made this year for me, learned twice the amount I did in the past year in three weeks |
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| 09:47.48 | _hsr | janinge, DAT email |
| 09:48.00 | janinge | dat wat |
| 09:48.18 | _hsr | oh okay, not a meme fan I see |
| 09:48.40 | _hsr | I was just eyeing the email you have |
| 09:48.54 | _hsr | :p |
| 09:49.25 | janinge | oh |
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| 09:50.30 | mpreisler | gevaerts: ember is from worldforge, I suspect addictzabhi didn't realise worldforge has its own irc server |
| 09:51.57 | gevaerts | mpreisler: ah, that helps. Well, it helps me verify that the ideas page there has a nice item about communication channels anyway :) |
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| 10:12.11 | BYucesoy | Hi, I have a question about GSoC. Is there a page where we can see proposals of mentoring organizations? |
| 10:12.13 | BYucesoy | So we can check are there any proposals we interested in |
| 10:12.43 | kblin | all proposals all 180 mentoring orgs have? |
| 10:12.48 | kblin | no single page there, nope |
| 10:13.13 | ChrisOelmueller | i'm not sure that page would turn out to be very helpful, either |
| 10:13.16 | BYucesoy | so there are seperate pages? |
| 10:14.02 | BYucesoy | for example I am interested in natural language processing, how can I find proposals about NLP |
| 10:14.19 | flaushy | BYucesoy: if you are lucky the org has used tags for NLP on the orgs page |
| 10:14.24 | aghisla | indeed |
| 10:14.50 | BYucesoy | :) thanks |
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| 10:48.19 | aliq | !next |
| 10:48.20 | gsocbot | aliq: "next" is Mar 26 19:00 UTC - Student Application period opens |
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| 11:24.00 | |Kev| | Hmm. Has anyone else found that the "Application Template" widget is completely broken in the org profile? |
| 11:24.18 | |Kev| | I guess I could try something other than FF. |
| 11:25.50 | |Kev| | Heh. If I go to last year's I can right-click the big blue block of no text, select all, copy, and paste it into a text editor. |
| 11:27.08 | |Kev| | Ah, HTML source editor does the trick. |
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| 11:33.54 | platzhirsch | Yay, less than 8h until student application opens |
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| 12:15.57 | akshat | any buddy with the knowledge of bloomington. I am trying to contact this organization through mailing list but nothing found. No activity on discussion page or mailing list |
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| 12:16.56 | akshat | I am trying from last one week but no positive result. Anu buddy knows any contact information of bloomington. Please let me know |
| 12:17.07 | platzhirsch | Rumours are some organisations are hiding themselfs until the application deadline is reached |
| 12:17.16 | |Kev| | o_O |
| 12:17.35 | platzhirsch | But I guess in fact they are just busy |
| 12:17.35 | |Kev| | I can't imagine an org doing that, it's deeply unhelpful. |
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| 12:18.20 | ChrisOelmueller | the bloomington ML seems to indicate it's their first year and they're trying to sort out communication due to a lot of student interest |
| 12:18.46 | ChrisOelmueller | source, http://lists.open311.org/groups/discuss/messages/topic/4FatwSHYi6lOTtRzoKg36W |
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| 12:30.10 | akshat | any buddy reply if you have any information about bloomington. I have mailing list and disucssion page but i am not seeing any activity from last one week |
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| 12:32.05 | tomprince | akshat: Look at the two messages here right before yours. |
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| 12:49.21 | Applify | not getting any replies to my mails :( |
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| 12:50.31 | |Kev| | Have you confirmed from the list archives that your mail was delivered, that you sent to the appropriate list, and have you waited several days? |
| 12:50.59 | Applify | yes, I was given the mail address from one of the mentors, and ive waited for more than 2 days... |
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| 12:51.18 | Applify | it wasnt a google group, so i cant confirm.. |
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| 12:51.53 | Applify | ive sent another mail to the mentor with whom i had contacted earlier, but even he hasnt been replying |
| 12:52.05 | Applify | and their IRC is deserted |
| 12:52.36 | tomprince | Are you connected to the right IRC server. |
| 12:52.49 | |Kev| | Most mailing lists for OSS projects have archives, whether they're Google Groups or not. |
| 12:52.52 | |Kev| | Which org is this? |
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| 12:52.58 | Applify | yep..2 people are there, one of them is a mentor, but no one replies |
| 12:53.15 | JordiGH | I just joined. Which org is this? |
| 12:53.24 | Applify | open311 |
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| 12:54.02 | tomprince | <ChrisOelmueller> the bloomington ML seems to indicate it's their first year and they're trying to sort out communication due to a lot of student interest |
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| 12:54.13 | tomprince | <ChrisOelmueller> source, http://lists.open311.org/groups/discuss/messages/topic/4FatwSHYi6lOTtRzoKg36W |
| 12:54.36 | |Kev| | Ah, Bloomington is open311? |
| 12:54.39 | |Kev| | Thanks. |
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| 12:54.55 | gevaerts | They're still doing a lot better than the mysterious organisation 180 :) |
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| 12:56.01 | Applify | i guess i have no option but to wait.. |
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| 13:02.32 | |Kev| | acekiller: That's what http://lists.open311.org/groups/discuss/messages/topic/7fbsU2EbPORqssexHlUxRR is telling you to do. |
| 13:02.36 | |Kev| | Sorry. |
| 13:02.38 | |Kev| | Applify: ^ |
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| 13:03.59 | Applify | yes, theres an email specified (but hidden) in that post. Ive mailed to that address but without any replies... |
| 13:04.13 | Applify | how much longer would you suggest i wait? |
| 13:04.39 | |Kev| | "I was not expecting this much response, especially since GSoC |
| 13:04.39 | |Kev| | doesn't open for student applications for another week. We are shooting |
| 13:04.39 | |Kev| | to have everything in place by then." |
| 13:05.27 | Applify | understood.. |
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| 13:06.05 | kblin | gevaerts: probably our luck, though.. remember that one org that had zero IRC presence from last year? |
| 13:06.31 | kblin | if the org 180 never shows up, at least we won't have to tell students they're not on IRC ;) |
| 13:07.02 | gevaerts | It means one or two more slots for someone ;) |
| 13:07.18 | |Kev| | Or 30 if it's KDE (number made up). |
| 13:07.23 | |Kev| | Yes, I'm being silly. |
| 13:07.26 | kblin | :) |
| 13:07.50 | gevaerts | |Kev|'s Destktop Environment? :) |
| 13:07.57 | kblin | :) |
| 13:07.58 | gevaerts | (but with fewer typos) |
| 13:08.05 | |Kev| | That's something I've never considered writing, so please don't give me ideas. |
| 13:08.26 | kblin | |Kev|: yeah, how about writing a desktop environment that just does what I want? :) |
| 13:08.46 | |Kev| | I've only just had the 'brilliant' idea to write my own mail lib/client. I don't need more stupid ideas. |
| 13:09.23 | kblin | I'm writing my own DNS server this week :) |
| 13:09.29 | |Kev| | Heh. |
| 13:10.04 | kblin | well, not quite true, I already have my own DNS server, I'm just adding a resolver library and signed updates to the mix |
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| 13:10.16 | kblin | the NIH is strong in that one |
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| 13:11.24 | kblin | my excuse is that BIND isn't a proper open source project and thus a real pain to work with, what's yours? |
| 13:11.41 | olly | it was openintents that nobody seemed able to contact last year I think |
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| 13:12.30 | |Kev| | kblin: That I'm a protocol geek and I want to learn a bit about Lemonade. |
| 13:13.42 | gevaerts | kblin: I thought your own DNS server was last month? |
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| 13:15.21 | mlankhorst | gevaerts: Yeah nowadays to be cool you need to have your own cloud |
| 13:15.22 | mlankhorst | :X |
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| 13:17.23 | kblin | gevaerts: as I said, I already have the DNS server |
| 13:17.30 | kblin | now users want more features... |
| 13:17.34 | kblin | darn them |
| 13:17.43 | mlankhorst | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzkRVzciAZg |
| 13:17.44 | mlankhorst | :D |
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| 13:23.37 | Lennie | !next |
| 13:23.38 | gsocbot | Lennie: "next" is Mar 26 19:00 UTC - Student Application period opens |
| 13:24.04 | kblin | mlankhorst: I don't get it. We've been doing event loops and callbacks for years before node.js made them cool |
| 13:24.08 | Lennie | That's in under 4 hours if my timezone foo is correct. (Summer time just hit Europe right :P?) |
| 13:24.16 | Lennie | Europe+the rest of the world :D |
| 13:24.44 | Lennie | And that's actually a question :P |
| 13:25.17 | aghisla | it is 15.24 in Italy, and application period will open at 21.00 |
| 13:25.24 | tomprince | North america switched awhile ago. |
| 13:25.28 | Lennie | wonders whether AppEngine will feel the difference when bombarded by students ^^ |
| 13:25.41 | Lennie | My timezone foo is okay, it's just my calculus lol ^ |
| 13:25.52 | Lennie | under 6 hours it is |
| 13:25.57 | |Kev| | It's 13:25 GMT/UTC at the moment :) |
| 13:26.16 | Lennie | Note to self, do not join #gsoc while still at home without having a cup of tea first |
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| 13:30.47 | GenX | !next |
| 13:30.48 | gsocbot | GenX: "next" is Mar 26 19:00 UTC - Student Application period opens |
| 13:31.24 | |Kev| | Did we ever get that code written that'd delay the next datetime for each person that calls !next? :) |
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| 13:35.04 | Gentlecat | !previous |
| 13:35.04 | gsocbot | Gentlecat: "previous" is You should have typed !next yesterday! |
| 13:35.10 | Gentlecat | :( |
| 13:35.10 | dreimark | he# |
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| 13:52.54 | rodrigods | hi, just one rapid question, if I submit the proposal today and I want to do some fixes later, can I edit the proposal until the deadline? Or I have to add a new one? |
| 13:53.29 | kblin | proposals should stay editable until the deadline |
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| 13:57.30 | Gentlecat | kblin: and orgs will be able to read them only after the deadline? |
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| 13:58.25 | |Kev| | Orgs can read submissions as soon as you submit them. |
| 13:59.24 | gevaerts | I seem to remember (but I could easily be wrong) that there's a concept of drafts |
| 14:00.35 | |Kev| | Very possibly. I know some orgs like all discussion with students to be done through Melange, so it's easy to keep track for all mentors. |
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| 14:01.06 | Gentlecat | so they can contact student and thell them their opinion on his proposal so he can improve it? |
| 14:01.18 | |Kev| | And ask questions and things, yes. |
| 14:01.35 | Gentlecat | that's good |
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| 14:09.25 | ericb2 | hello |
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| 14:10.10 | ericb2 | just fYI, there are subjects we proposed, and NO student applied yet. Very strange : as mentor for GSoC since 2006, the ration is always 4 or 5 students by sujbect ... |
| 14:10.47 | gevaerts | ericb2: technically no student can have applied yet |
| 14:11.15 | ericb2 | gevaerts: I meant : contacted the project |
| 14:12.44 | diofeher | what is your org ericb2 ? |
| 14:13.06 | ericb2 | Apache Software Foundation, and I proposed subjects for Apache OpenOffice |
| 14:13.12 | gevaerts | I seem to remember that people tend to have overly rosy memories of how early students contacted them in previous years :) |
| 14:13.33 | gevaerts | Ah, right. So now you're under an umbrella instead of on your own |
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| 14:14.04 | gevaerts | hmm |
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| 14:14.49 | ericb2 | gevaerts: I'm mentor since 2006, and the figures say : more time goes, more students contacted us. We even created some coding exercices to select more efficiently |
| 14:15.19 | ericb2 | sorry, I forgot to mention everything is for Apache OpenOffice ( see http://eric.bachard.org/news/ ) |
| 14:15.24 | gevaerts | I'd say it would be a good idea for umbrella orgs to list participating projects in their tags |
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| 14:15.48 | ericb2 | gevaerts: you are right : I'll ask to communicate more. Thanks |
| 14:16.21 | gevaerts | If a student wants to work for openoffice and hasn't followed things very well, you're not that easy to find |
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| 14:17.07 | ericb2 | gevaerts: maybe. I proposed a lot of subjects, every year, but we were not accepted since two years |
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| 14:19.03 | Lennie | gevaerts, ericb2 : Maybe if Melange is lucky we'll get a student to work on better exposure/tools for umbrella orgs |
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| 14:19.55 | gevaerts | I mean, for people who follow the news, it's not that difficult to figure out openoffice is now under ASF (although I tend to forget about that every now and then too), but for people who are new to open source in general but who do know about openoffice, this probably isn't well known at all |
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| 14:20.31 | Lennie | I was having trouble myself finding contact info for one of the ASF projects in GSoC |
| 14:20.35 | sfb | Lennie: (= |
| 14:20.51 | sfb | Lennie: As an umbrellee I'd like this. |
| 14:21.00 | gevaerts | Good tags are still black magic in general too |
| 14:21.03 | Lennie | I either missed the right link or maybe they should have a proper page with all project's contact details for GSoC :) |
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| 14:21.52 | flaushy | some orgs even forgot to register their channel that they gave as contact ;) I think a guide for visibilty for the orgs would be awesome |
| 14:22.14 | Lennie | flaushy, you should inform carols about that :) |
| 14:22.17 | gevaerts | nods |
| 14:22.27 | Lennie | Anyway, bbl |
| 14:22.28 | gevaerts | !mentorguide |
| 14:22.30 | gsocbot | gevaerts: "mentorguide" is http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCMentoring/ |
| 14:22.35 | flaushy | Lennie: i gave the orgs the hint, they are doing fine now :) |
| 14:22.35 | Lennie | (If not already in the mentor guide idd) |
| 14:22.42 | ericb2 | If people read my blog (see above), they'll be able to click on a link, who is a group of dedicated issues : they can find most of the usefull info on this issues |
| 14:22.56 | flaushy | thx gevaerts |
| 14:23.10 | gevaerts | flaushy: I actually mainly wanted to look at it myself now :) |
| 14:23.13 | ericb2 | but you 'are right ! I forgot to add a contact ^^ |
| 14:23.21 | ericb2 | hides .. and goes to fix that :-) |
| 14:23.43 | flaushy | gevaerts: well i think there is never too much information :) |
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| 14:25.30 | ericb2 | is it unpolite to provide the issues links on this channel ? |
| 14:25.32 | JordiGH | Oh, wow, spam in the mailing list. |
| 14:25.36 | JordiGH | I thought it was moderated. |
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| 14:26.51 | gevaerts | ericb2: advertising isn't appreciated, but linking to specific things you're talking about is fine, so it depends on what exactly you're doing :) |
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| 14:27.22 | ericb2 | gevaerts: I wanted to post the subject description (direct link to the issue I filed) |
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| 14:27.34 | pokoko222 | can I change a pull request? |
| 14:27.41 | pokoko222 | I mean, can I make commits to it |
| 14:27.46 | ericb2 | gevaerts: I use to describe everything on a wiki page, but not this year |
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| 14:28.05 | JordiGH | pokoko222: You mean on github? |
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| 14:28.09 | ericb2 | testing JIRA |
| 14:28.13 | pokoko222 | JordiGH: yes |
| 14:28.25 | sfb | Lots of love for JIRA. |
| 14:28.31 | JordiGH | I don't know how that works... are pull requests usually only "pull only up to this commit" or "pull all of this branch?" |
| 14:28.55 | ericb2 | sfb: seems to work well, indeed |
| 14:28.59 | sfb | JordiGH: It depends on how the person pulling pulls. |
| 14:29.16 | JordiGH | sfb: Oh, it's not codified in the pull request? I don't really use github. |
| 14:29.21 | pokoko222 | Oh I found this "You can add more commits to this pull request by pushing to the branchSS1 branch on reponame" |
| 14:29.27 | pokoko222 | but what a hell is push |
| 14:29.29 | sfb | JordiGH: I usually use: hg pull -r branch-branchname http://... |
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| 14:29.37 | JordiGH | pokoko222: push is how you add commits to a remote repo. |
| 14:29.43 | gevaerts | doesn't seem to find anything about tags and contact information in the mentor guide |
| 14:29.49 | JordiGH | sfb: On github? |
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| 14:30.00 | pokoko222 | JordiGH: so push and commit is same? |
| 14:30.08 | summatusmentis | usually a pull is done by commit hash, but I'm not sure what "usual" is on github |
| 14:30.14 | summatusmentis | commit is done to your local repo |
| 14:30.18 | pokoko222 | oh oh i get it |
| 14:30.20 | pokoko222 | got it got it |
| 14:30.27 | JordiGH | pokoko222: No, a commit is how you add new nodes to your graph locally. Push is how you send those nodes to another repo (usually across a network). |
| 14:30.32 | pokoko222 | you commit and then you push, and the pull request gets updated |
| 14:30.37 | pokoko222 | JordiGH: yep got it |
| 14:30.59 | pokoko222 | thanks ;) |
| 14:31.08 | pokoko222 | so you just use git on command line JordiGH ? |
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| 14:31.24 | JordiGH | pokoko222: I hate git. |
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| 14:31.39 | JordiGH | pokoko222: This makes me unpopular at developer conferences, so I try to keep it to myself. |
| 14:31.39 | pokoko222 | you are subversion dude? |
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| 14:31.50 | pokoko222 | so what is popular? :D |
| 14:32.03 | pokoko222 | I thought git is the master of all kinda thing |
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| 14:32.07 | JordiGH | pokoko222: No, and I wish git hadn't taught everyone that "if it's not git, then it must be svn". |
| 14:32.07 | gevaerts | There are *many* more options than git and subversion |
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| 14:32.24 | JordiGH | pokoko222: I like hg, but I also use bzr and darcs once in a while. |
| 14:32.39 | gevaerts | Most of the modern DVCSes are functionally equivalent, really |
| 14:32.45 | sfb | JordiGH: CVS till I die! |
| 14:32.50 | aghisla | nothing! |
| 14:32.51 | pokoko222 | well why do most people force git then |
| 14:32.57 | gevaerts | sfb: what's wrong with rcs? |
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| 14:32.58 | MatthewWilkes | Visual SourceSafe FTW |
| 14:33.06 | JordiGH | sfb: I had to use cvs the other day for the first time ever. I can't believe anyone ever thought this was better than tarballs and patches. |
| 14:33.07 | sfb | gevaerts: I wanted to say VSS |
| 14:33.11 | dadkins | sharepoint! /me runs away |
| 14:33.12 | sfb | But I thought I'd get flamed. (; |
| 14:33.15 | tomprince | Nobody forces git. |
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| 14:33.28 | JordiGH | tomprince: Untrue. I have to learn git to collaborate with people. |
| 14:33.46 | sfb | JordiGH: I still have to go back to the old Nevrax CVS for stuff. |
| 14:33.48 | JordiGH | tomprince: It's not like emacs vs vim, where your choice doesn't really affect others. |
| 14:33.53 | MatthewWilkes | sfb: Nah, you only get flamed for Perforce |
| 14:33.53 | sfb | JordiGH: Heavy use of branches in CVS == nightmare. |
| 14:34.09 | gevaerts | pokoko222: git has attracted a bunch of very loud but not always very well informed advocates |
| 14:34.10 | MatthewWilkes | Perforce, Perforce, Perforce! Perforce gives you strength! Strength crushes enemies! |
| 14:34.22 | summatusmentis | my research lab uses svn, and I wish they'd use something else |
| 14:34.26 | sfb | MatthewWilkes: haha if it wasn't commercial I'd like it. It reminds me of StarTeam which I used to really like. |
| 14:34.28 | JordiGH | MatthewWilkes: Huh, noder? |
| 14:34.36 | tomprince | gaurav_sood91: pokoko222 has left. |
| 14:34.41 | JordiGH | MatthewWilkes: What was your e2 username? |
| 14:34.51 | tomprince | sorry, gevaerts |
| 14:35.04 | MatthewWilkes | JordiGH: Redalien |
| 14:35.09 | gevaerts | tomprince: don't apologise to *me*. I'm not the one who got woken up suddenly :) |
| 14:35.19 | JordiGH | MatthewWilkes: Oh, I think I remember you... |
| 14:35.29 | MatthewWilkes | JordiGH: I'm not very active at all |
| 14:35.41 | JordiGH | MatthewWilkes: No, but I remember your username. |
| 14:36.30 | tomprince | JordiGH: Well, you need to use whatever vcs the project you want to interact with uses, or use an appropriate bridge. But that is the same for any vcs. |
| 14:36.30 | gevaerts | JordiGH: it's probably easier to use hg/bzr/darcs/... locally with a git remote than it is with an svn remote I'd say, if you really want to |
| 14:36.30 | MatthewWilkes | JordiGH: How about you? |
| 14:36.52 | tomprince | You could always work off tarballs and use diff. |
| 14:37.13 | sfb | I'm a fan of Boar. |
| 14:37.16 | JordiGH | tomprince: Interoperability only goes so far. git and hg track different data, for example. You can't avoid learning git. |
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| 14:37.34 | JordiGH | MatthewWilkes: Swap. |
| 14:37.37 | sfb | I'm actually trying to find a way to harness it in my game content tools. |
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| 14:38.42 | MatthewWilkes | JordiGH: 2006.10.03 at 16:36Swap says I heartily approve of everything free software. :-) |
| 14:39.52 | JordiGH | Yes, yes, that sounds like me. |
| 14:40.40 | MatthewWilkes | JordiGH: You'd just given me my 14th C!, according to the message archive |
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| 14:54.27 | rick92 | Are most orgs cool with a student taking a 6-7 day vacation in between the coding period? |
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| 14:55.03 | gevaerts | rick92: I'd say yes, *if* you make sure you don't just vanish without warning |
| 14:55.27 | JordiGH | rick92: And as long as you meet the Google deadlines. |
| 14:55.29 | MatthewWilkes | rick92: I'd think so. The worst thing a student can do is cover up when they know they can't work, we notice and get worried. |
| 14:55.36 | aghisla | I did, and I took my computer on vacation :) |
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| 14:56.10 | rick92 | aghisla:Did u mention it in your weekly 'schedule' in the original application? |
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| 14:57.11 | rick92 | I do plan to take my laptop with me too.. and of'course I won't be vanishing :) |
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| 14:57.35 | dream000 | May I propose more than one projects to same organization? |
| 14:57.39 | aghisla | rick92: no, it was close to the end of coding period. But if you already plan to take a week off, writing in your application shows that you are reliable. |
| 14:58.00 | rick92 | Ok, thanks! |
| 14:58.21 | gevaerts | dream000: yes |
| 14:59.10 | gevaerts | Don't underestimate the work needed for a good proposal though. Too many proposals can have a serious impact on quality, and therefore on your chances of getting accepted |
| 14:59.44 | dream000 | gevaerts: ok. Thank you. |
| 15:01.15 | kamalbanga | gevaerts: when choosing organisation's idea, should one explain in detail the working out of it -- is that a good proposal? |
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| 15:01.59 | kamalbanga | gevaerts: or should one primarily show his coding skills, is that preferable? |
| 15:03.06 | MatthewWilkes | kamalbanga: what do you mean by the working out of it? |
| 15:04.01 | kamalbanga | i mean how to go for it, time limit for various subparts and such details |
| 15:04.23 | MatthewWilkes | kamalbanga: Definitely make that your main focus |
| 15:04.36 | kamalbanga | ok.. |
| 15:05.17 | MatthewWilkes | kamalbanga: Put some info in on your coding skills, that way they have some idea of what you know already, but showing you have thought about organisation and time planning is more important, imho |
| 15:05.20 | Shomi | Sorry for stupid question, but can't find a link of all projects accepted for gsoc. Any1 can send me link? |
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| 15:05.46 | MatthewWilkes | Shomi: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2012 |
| 15:06.09 | Shomi | Thank you very much m8. |
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| 15:38.33 | gevaerts | inavran: #gsoc is about Google Summer of Code, not Google things in general |
| 15:39.27 | inavran | really sorry gev |
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| 16:09.06 | spM__ | what are the minimum number of slots each accepted organisation will be given ? |
| 16:09.36 | sfb | 1 |
| 16:10.06 | spM__ | I am worried, that I am completely focussed on working for just one organisation, I have been solving bugs, etc. But in the end, if Google doesnot allot the org any slots, or say just one or two slots, then I ll be at loss :( |
| 16:10.36 | kblin | you'll still have learned things :) |
| 16:12.06 | MatthewWilkes | spM__: If it's a new organisation the maximum is 2, but if you make sure you're the best proposal you have nothing to worry |
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| 16:28.40 | edsiper | spM__, you should care about to do a good job in your application more than worry about the slots assigned, if you are good enough why that 1 slot cannot be assigned to you ? |
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| 16:30.58 | muks | hi all. i mentored last year for gimp. this year, i used the same account to login, but when registering as a mentor, it says my nickname is already taken (perhaps from last year) |
| 16:31.04 | muks | how do i use that account? |
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| 16:31.31 | muks | when i login using the same google account, it says i still have to register as a mentor.. doesn't bring my old details back |
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| 16:32.00 | kblin | yeah, that's the lawyers' fault. you need to agree to the ToS when creating an account |
| 16:32.10 | kblin | so melange doesn't carry over accounts |
| 16:32.20 | muks | so i must use a different username this time? |
| 16:32.45 | kblin | no, that should work unless someone else already took the username |
| 16:33.01 | muks | interesting.. there's another muks then :) |
| 16:33.05 | ericb2 | muks: nice to see someone from the Gimp. BTW, I (some times ago) proposed to help for the native mac OS X port, but I never received any answer. Do you know the person I could contact ? |
| 16:33.19 | muks | ericb2: #gimp on irc.gnome.org |
| 16:33.26 | ericb2 | muks: thanks |
| 16:33.35 | muks | ericb2: talk to mitch there.. he does the mac os porting of gtk+ mostly |
| 16:33.45 | muks | at least the 2.24 branch that gimp currently uses |
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| 16:34.06 | ericb2 | muks: Indeed, I remember there was a native gtk work in progress |
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| 16:59.05 | mjaskurzynski | hi, I am looking for Apache application template |
| 16:59.24 | mjaskurzynski | or instructions how to apply |
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| 17:02.22 | mjaskurzynski | Can anybody help me? |
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| 17:03.48 | carols | mjaskurzynski: applications open in two hours. |
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| 17:10.22 | kblin | carols: morning |
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| 17:12.46 | Kreol[Ukr] | Hello. Can any tell does registration to GSoC to student become? |
| 17:13.20 | MatthewWilkes | !next | Kreol[Ukr] |
| 17:13.22 | gsocbot | MatthewWilkes: Error: No factoid matches that key. |
| 17:13.25 | MatthewWilkes | huh |
| 17:13.31 | MatthewWilkes | nevermind ;) Sometime |
| 17:13.40 | Al_Da_Best | Applications open in 1h47 :P |
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| 17:14.38 | Kreol[Ukr] | hm. it's become tommorow? (my timezone UTC+2) |
| 17:15.02 | Kreol[Ukr] | (sory i'm not good in english...) |
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| 17:16.01 | Al_Da_Best | No, 1 hour 45 minutes from now. Erm. 9pm your time, I think, I could be wrong. |
| 17:16.09 | kblin | Kreol[Ukr]: no, it's today, in a but under two hours |
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| 17:18.54 | mjaskurzynski | carols: I know that melange will be open in two hours, but I need Apache template like in KDE. I discuss my proposition in mentor, he is satisfied but I need to post it in template |
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| 17:20.36 | kblin | mjaskurzynski: the template will be on the application page |
| 17:20.56 | mjaskurzynski | ok, thanks |
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| 17:21.52 | Kreol[Ukr] | hm. ok. And in wich page i can registrate? (becouse now i sign in with my gmail account but here say that it's not necessary account) |
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| 17:22.51 | atneik | Hello everyone! Just wanted make sure that; We update our proposal according to comments, right? |
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| 17:23.40 | kblin | Kreol[Ukr]: you can register as a student once the applications open in about two hours. |
| 17:23.52 | Kreol[Ukr] | ok. thank |
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| 17:37.58 | aghisla | hello all, is there a deadline for mentor registration? |
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| 17:39.19 | Mill | HI, it it possible, that a mentoring organisation doesnot get a single slot by google ? |
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| 17:40.05 | allman | If an org has been accepted into the program, why would we not give them any slots? :) |
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| 17:40.37 | gevaerts | Mill: it's possible that a mentoring organisation decides it doesn't have any good enough proposals, or it's possible they forget all about filling in their profile so they don't even make it to the list, but that's about it |
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| 17:42.35 | sfb | gevaerts: Or if a student they want to accept has multiple accepts and chooses one of the others. |
| 17:42.45 | |Kev| | Mill: No. |
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| 17:43.07 | |Kev| | Oh, sorry allman - your nick's grey, didn't notice you. |
| 17:43.17 | gevaerts | sfb: I wouldn't let my only possible student choose :) |
| 17:43.38 | sfb | haha |
| 17:43.53 | |Kev| | gevaerts: Unless it was someone else's only possible too. |
| 17:43.56 | allman | [Kev] no worries :) |
| 17:45.04 | gevaerts | |Kev|: in that case I'd say neither gets them and the student spends two months writing the "How to pick an organisation and maximise your chances" chapter of the student guide :) |
| 17:45.17 | |Kev| | gevaerts: Haha. |
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| 17:46.13 | |Kev| | For the truly authentic Student Experience, I've just finished the first week's Stanford problem set - due in a few hours. Now onto the programming problems... |
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| 17:49.36 | _mitch_ | hey |
| 17:49.42 | _mitch_ | any melange admins around? |
| 17:49.47 | madrazr | _mitch_: yes |
| 17:49.49 | madrazr | :) |
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| 17:50.22 | _mitch_ | madrazr: great :) when i log in with my mitch at gimp dot org google account, it won't let me edit my "mitch" account i have always been using for gsoc as mentor |
| 17:50.30 | _mitch_ | madrazr: i'm the maintainer of gimp |
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| 17:50.41 | atneik | Hello everyone! Just wanted make sure that; We can update our submitted proposals, right? |
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| 17:50.53 | _mitch_ | madrazr: instead the mentor application form says mitch is taken |
| 17:51.15 | gevaerts | atneik: yes, until the application deadline |
| 17:51.35 | madrazr | _mitch_: have you registered with a profile for GSoC 2012? |
| 17:51.38 | atneik | gevaerts: Thanks! |
| 17:52.05 | _mitch_ | madrazr: um, parse error :), i simply logged into melange and it regirected me to google login, like last yeatr |
| 17:52.21 | madrazr | _mitch_: ah |
| 17:52.29 | madrazr | _mitch_: and you want to be a mentor right? |
| 17:52.32 | _mitch_ | yes |
| 17:52.51 | _mitch_ | using the same melange "mitch" account i have always been using |
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| 17:53.39 | klocatelli | Firefox can't find the server at www.google-melange.com. |
| 17:53.40 | klocatelli | D: |
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| 17:53.58 | gevaerts | klocatelli: it's not looking properly then |
| 17:54.07 | gevaerts | It works for me |
| 17:54.23 | klocatelli | yeah, definitely something on my end |
| 17:54.24 | klocatelli | or in between |
| 17:54.30 | klocatelli | chrome slowly loaded it |
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| 17:54.35 | klocatelli | but firefox is just stuck connecting |
| 17:54.45 | Mill | gevaerts : No, but my question was, google assigns slots to mentoring organisations right ? what if google doesnot assign any single slot to the organisation ? |
| 17:55.04 | gevaerts | Mill: yes, and the answer was "that won't happen" |
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| 17:55.26 | gevaerts | Unless the organisation asks for no slots at all |
| 17:55.32 | tzbob | gevaerts, may I ask, are you from Belgium? |
| 17:55.37 | gevaerts | tzbob: yes |
| 17:55.52 | kblin | gevaerts: unless the mentoring org doesn't ask for a slot |
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| 17:58.56 | madrazr | _mitch_: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/profile/mentor/google/gsoc2012 |
| 17:59.05 | madrazr | can you please go here and register yourself as a mentor for GSoC 2012? |
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| 17:59.56 | _mitch_ | madrazr: but that's what i've been doing, it says "mitch" is taken, but "mitch" *is* my account |
| 18:00.08 | _mitch_ | madrazr: in past years, that form was pre-filled with my information |
| 18:00.36 | madrazr | _mitch_: for which field does it say "mitch" is taken? |
| 18:01.00 | _mitch_ | username |
| 18:01.11 | madrazr | _mitch_: also if the form is not pre-filled, it is highly likely that you are not signed in with the account |
| 18:01.13 | carols | serves some pre-app opening tea |
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| 18:01.54 | gevaerts | grabs a tea opener and opens a can of tea |
| 18:01.57 | _mitch_ | madrazr: well i am signed in with my mitch at gimp dot org google account, and that's the same i have been using before |
| 18:02.00 | madrazr | _mitch_: can you please try signing out of all the google accounts once and sign in only with your account you were using for previous GSoC's? |
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| 18:02.18 | _mitch_ | madrazr: ok trying again |
| 18:02.19 | madrazr | _mitch_: can you please try signing out and try again? |
| 18:02.23 | madrazr | _mitch_: great! thanks! |
| 18:03.26 | _mitch_ | madrazr: just did, same problem |
| 18:04.06 | madrazr | _mitch_: Ok, that sounds strange, can I PM you? I need more information to look into the datastore |
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| 18:04.47 | |Kev| | _mitch_: If madrazr asks for your password...it's a trap! |
| 18:04.59 | _mitch_ | madrazr: sure :) |
| 18:05.03 | madrazr | |Kev|: well, I need not ask right? :P |
| 18:05.13 | madrazr | |Kev|: if I was so evil? :P |
| 18:05.25 | |Kev| | Ah, they're stored plaintext? |
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| 18:05.36 | _mitch_ | madrazr: another gimp mentor had exactly the same problem, user ID "muks" was not accessible |
| 18:05.38 | madrazr | |Kev|: Why would I tell you how it is stored? |
| 18:05.46 | madrazr | :) |
| 18:05.49 | madrazr | _mitch_: Oh! |
| 18:05.57 | |Kev| | Because this is a social engineering attack at it's finest. |
| 18:06.02 | gevaerts | smiles, knowing there is no actual password involved here :) |
| 18:06.46 | |Kev| | gevaerts: There *is* a password involved. |
| 18:06.51 | |Kev| | Just presumably not in that dataset. |
| 18:07.00 | gevaerts | Well yes |
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| 18:07.04 | gevaerts | Well, maybe :) |
| 18:07.21 | |Kev| | Of course, IRC masks passwords, see .... ******** |
| 18:07.32 | madrazr | |Kev|: very old joke |
| 18:07.37 | |Kev| | Of course. |
| 18:07.38 | madrazr | it has lost its charm now |
| 18:07.38 | madrazr | :) |
| 18:07.45 | |Kev| | Well, you were half right :p |
| 18:07.51 | madrazr | |Kev|: a bit overused these days |
| 18:08.27 | gevaerts | |Kev|: I actually know people who have their IRC client autoreplace their nickserv password if it's not going to nickserv :) |
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| 18:08.36 | |Kev| | Heh, that's smart. |
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| 18:09.02 | |Kev| | I have OS X to blame for me typing my system password into IRC once (although it turned out I made a typo). |
| 18:09.07 | Catfish_Man | gevaerts: doesn't save you when someone compromises nickserv |
| 18:09.14 | Catfish_Man | like they did on freenode a while back :/ |
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| 18:09.25 | |Kev| | The screensaver used to (no idea if someone still does) have a short period between screensaver activation and locking. |
| 18:09.33 | gevaerts | Catfish_Man: true. This is why you use unique passwords of course |
| 18:09.45 | |Kev| | So when I saw the screen was black, moved the mouse and typed my password in to unlock one time... |
| 18:09.47 | Catfish_Man | gevaerts: or a protocol that doesn't have idiotic auth mechanisms like nickserv :P |
| 18:09.56 | |Kev| | Long live XMPP! |
| 18:10.28 | cab938__ | Since the announce of gsoc we've had lots of inquiries from students which is great. Originally we didn't decide to have an application template, but now we're thinking maybe we should. Is it possible to change this at this time? |
| 18:10.40 | cab938__ | I don't see a way to edit my organization application in melange |
| 18:10.49 | |Kev| | cab938__: Yes, that can still be changed. |
| 18:11.01 | |Kev| | My dashboard |
| 18:11.03 | |Kev| | My organizations |
| 18:11.06 | |Kev| | [the org] |
| 18:11.07 | |Kev| | Edit. |
| 18:11.18 | cab938__ | wonderful |
| 18:11.20 | cab938__ | ty |Kev| |
| 18:11.28 | |Kev| | YW. |
| 18:12.19 | Catfish_Man | |Kev|: a tiny trollish part of me wants to implement a sasl mech for nickserv so xmpp users can experience the fail too ;) |
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| 18:14.13 | |Kev| | Catfish_Man: That'd be lovely. Please do that. |
| 18:14.18 | |Kev| | Very very slowly, and far far away. |
| 18:14.46 | Catfish_Man | hahaha. You're in luck, it's been years since I had commit access to an xmpp client ;) |
| 18:15.02 | |Kev| | What did you have commit access to? |
| 18:15.12 | Catfish_Man | Adium, Spark, SparkWeb |
| 18:15.23 | |Kev| | Oh. You're Jiveish? |
| 18:15.47 | Catfish_Man | used to be, yeah |
| 18:16.23 | Catfish_Man | after clearspace started making like 238975943875x as much money as openfire I got laid off |
| 18:16.49 | |Kev| | PM? |
| 18:16.53 | Catfish_Man | sure |
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| 18:17.28 | qballer | Hey guys i think there might have some differences between the schedule released in the FAQ than the GSoC calendar. Am I imagining ? |
| 18:17.47 | klocatelli | example? |
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| 18:18.18 | kblin | url or it didn't happen ;) |
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| 18:18.49 | kblin | ah, segfault. I'm back to C programming for sure :) |
| 18:18.59 | dhaun | qballer: if it's about times - the calendar is using another timezone (not UTC) |
| 18:19.00 | qballer | Calander: [GSOC] Mentors give students a helping hand and guidance on their projects. |
| 18:19.02 | qballer | Tue, May 22, 00:00 – Tue, July 10, 2012, 00:00 |
| 18:19.03 | qballer | FAQ: May 21: |
| 18:19.04 | qballer | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:19.06 | qballer | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:19.26 | carols | the calendar is in pacific time. |
| 18:19.34 | carols | you're correct that it's not on utc. |
| 18:19.43 | qballer | Hi carols :) |
| 18:19.46 | carols | hi |
| 18:20.11 | carols | it says pacific at the bottom of the calendar :-) |
| 18:20.14 | qballer | Sorry writing a timeline for my proposal and I was a bit... "Hmmming" on that. |
| 18:20.14 | madrazr | kblin: you may be even at machine code level :P |
| 18:20.30 | madrazr | kblin: or may be inception? :P |
| 18:20.51 | qballer | 40 minutes :) |
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| 18:21.59 | edsiper | 38 mins remaining :) |
| 18:22.24 | qballer | it's 20:19 over here, so I got with my clock :) |
| 18:22.49 | gevaerts | recommends leaving the countdown for the deadline |
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| 18:24.04 | edsiper | haha |
| 18:24.05 | weltall | recommends to not write it at 1hz in here |
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| 18:24.44 | boob | how much you can earn in gsoc? |
| 18:25.09 | edsiper | boob, invaluable knowledge |
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| 18:25.48 | dfighter | boob a t-shirt too |
| 18:25.51 | carols | boob: i assume you've read the whole FAQ already? |
| 18:25.55 | dfighter | or so I hear |
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| 18:27.13 | qballer | Google will provide a stipend of 5500 USD per accepted student developer, of which 5000 USD goes to the student and 500 USD goes to the mentoring organization. |
| 18:28.14 | boob | The answer i wanted. Thaks qballer. ;) |
| 18:28.27 | qballer | It's from the FAQ boob |
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| 18:28.37 | qballer | so the FAQ is the better answer |
| 18:29.01 | qballer | there are some conditions to all of this. |
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| 18:29.14 | boob | I know, i know.... |
| 18:30.09 | blacktooth | gsocbot: !next |
| 18:30.16 | boob | I wannted to see if it is worth of doing it (on engineeres point of view ) ;) |
| 18:30.40 | gevaerts | If you're only doing it for the money, don't |
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| 18:31.11 | carols | boob: it's worth doing it, i assure you. |
| 18:31.25 | MatthewWilkes | gevaerts: -1, it can still be competitive, I earnt about that in my first summer at university |
| 18:31.30 | boob | No, i am not doing it only for money. But without it it is dificul in my country. I am not from USA. |
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| 18:31.40 | MatthewWilkes | It beats minimum wage |
| 18:31.48 | |Kev| | MatthewWilkes: It does, but it's not the reason to do it. |
| 18:31.55 | blacktooth | !next |
| 18:31.56 | gsocbot | blacktooth: "next" is Mar 26 19:00 UTC - Student Application period opens |
| 18:32.02 | gevaerts | MatthewWilkes: let's say I'm speaking from a mentor point of view here :) |
| 18:32.06 | |Kev| | I mean, I'd rather pick students doing it because they wanted to code, than because they didn't want to flip burgers. |
| 18:32.28 | MatthewWilkes | true, but they're not mutually exclusive |
| 18:32.38 | edsiper | blacktooth, in a few min :) |
| 18:32.46 | gevaerts | I didn't say the money isn't worth it :) |
| 18:32.53 | MatthewWilkes | hm, you know, this is probably my one and only chance to apply for GSoC as a student |
| 18:32.57 | MatthewWilkes | ponders |
| 18:33.02 | |Kev| | GFI. |
| 18:33.02 | boob | I allready work at company. And i am considaring to work an open source project, becouse i support that kind of idea |
| 18:33.17 | gevaerts | MatthewWilkes: if you can, do it! |
| 18:33.23 | MatthewWilkes | I don't have the time, to be honest |
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| 18:33.33 | weltall | will you have the time boob ? |
| 18:33.46 | MatthewWilkes | boob: GSoC is approximately a full time commitment, expect to spend around 30-40 hours a week on it |
| 18:34.06 | |Kev| | MatthewWilkes: I'm thinking that about these Stanford courses - and only one of the three has started so far. And writing a new mail client...plus everything else. Anyone with spare time is a boring person ;) |
| 18:34.19 | allman | boob - and you have to be enrolled in school |
| 18:34.24 | carols | boob: you also need to be an enrolled university student. |
| 18:34.26 | boob | I am student. |
| 18:34.31 | carols | what allman said. |
| 18:34.37 | gevaerts | MatthewWilkes: yes, but imagine applying to one of the new orgs, with your admin experience. If you can't afford the time for gsoc proper, you should at least be able to to some quality trolling during the application period :) |
| 18:34.41 | allman | what Carols said :) |
| 18:34.44 | MatthewWilkes | |Kev|: I still have my free time project that I've been working on since november, can't put that on the backburner |
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| 18:34.53 | boob | And i am aware od hour works |
| 18:34.55 | MatthewWilkes | gevaerts: keke |
| 18:34.56 | carols | boob: if you are a university student *and* have a job you mostly likely can't do gsoc too :-) |
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| 18:35.15 | qballer | I'm going to quite my job. |
| 18:35.16 | MatthewWilkes | gevaerts: I could work on a better doom wad |
| 18:35.20 | carols | there's only so many hours in the day. |
| 18:35.21 | summatusmentis | carols: university students usually aren't taking classes over the summer |
| 18:35.26 | gevaerts | MatthewWilkes: good point |
| 18:35.31 | summatusmentis | although certainly not always |
| 18:35.43 | qballer | boob where are you from? |
| 18:35.50 | boob | Serbia m8. |
| 18:36.01 | weltall | well in many countries gsoc starts way before the summer |
| 18:36.09 | weltall | and there are exams too |
| 18:36.27 | weltall | *break |
| 18:36.53 | boob | Exams are not problem. They are all programing nature and i am, if i may say, very good in that area. |
| 18:37.55 | Michitux | has lectures till july 15th, so I wouldn't assume that students have no lectures during coding time |
| 18:38.04 | weltall | ^ same in italy |
| 18:38.29 | Michitux | and exams are somewhen between july 15th and october 15th |
| 18:38.29 | weltall | and some teachers even break the lecture deadline as they cannot finish their classes |
| 18:39.27 | weltall | actually june here not july and exams till 1 august |
| 18:39.36 | weltall | then in september but that doesn't matter |
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| 18:39.54 | weltall | some universities shift +/- 1 month |
| 18:39.58 | Michitux | did also realize that he might be able to apply as student this year as his org was rejected, but as MatthewWilkes I think I don't have enough time (+ the lectures/exams thing) |
| 18:40.35 | weltall | realized the same as Michitux but has an org |
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| 18:45.21 | frewsxcv | so student signups open in 15 minutes? |
| 18:45.37 | gevaerts | yes |
| 18:46.24 | kamalbanga | is there a way that my irc client avoids showing "... has joined #gsoc" & "... has quit #gsoc" messages? |
| 18:46.50 | hiddenpearls1 | Is there any organization who helps Master/PHD students in their Research Papers ? |
| 18:47.02 | kamalbanga | they are like DoS to my eyes... :) |
| 18:47.19 | gevaerts | kamalbanga: yes. See the documentation for your particular irc client |
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| 18:47.50 | kamalbanga | thanx |
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| 18:49.50 | hiddenpearls1 | carols, Is there any organization who helps Master/PHD students in their Research Papers ? |
| 18:50.10 | carols | hiddenpearls1: well, i think most organizations are interested in you working on projects within their communities. |
| 18:50.17 | carols | you're of course welcome to ask if you like, though. |
| 18:51.14 | kblin | I work on academic open source software... |
| 18:51.22 | kblin | but I''m on vacation this week ;) |
| 18:51.45 | kblin | so I work on non-academic open source software instead :D |
| 18:51.53 | hiddenpearls1 | :) |
| 18:53.13 | dfighter | carols if I am correct, the Google open source projects office is also open for proposal with original ideas, I suppose a research project falls into this category. |
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| 18:53.56 | carols | dfighter: somewhat. we only accept a couple of such proposals a year and the student needs to already have an academic advisor who's agreed to mentor the project. |
| 18:54.09 | carols | but sure, within those criteria, if the research project is in the open source space. |
| 18:54.38 | dfighter | carols yes I know it's very limited but it could still apply to hiddenpearls1 |
| 18:54.44 | carols | indeed. |
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| 18:54.57 | hiddenpearls1 | got it |
| 18:55.07 | hiddenpearls1 | but I need the university supervisor as well ? |
| 18:55.22 | kblin | and because the ospo is giving carols a hard time as a mentoring org, they usually don't get that many slots ;) |
| 18:55.37 | carols | yes, it's difficult for me to get slots from the admin, really. |
| 18:55.50 | carols | hiddenpearls1: yes. you've read the faq about it already, i assume? |
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| 18:56.18 | hiddenpearls1 | no, I didn't read the faq regarding this. |
| 18:56.40 | carols | hiddenpearls1: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs#no_org |
| 18:56.49 | carols | please read through the faqs. we write them for you :-) |
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| 18:57.28 | gevaerts | But if everyone read through the faq, those questions wouldn't get asked anymore, and we'd be stuck in a contradiction! |
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| 18:58.00 | allman | member:gevaerts - grrrrrrrrr ;) |
| 18:58.22 | hiddenpearls1 | carols, I actually read that but I was looking if there is written something about research supervisor :) |
| 18:58.44 | hiddenpearls1 | but that's ok, I need an outstanding pure OPEN SOURCE Idea :) |
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| 18:58.50 | carols | :-) |
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| 19:00.06 | kblin | there's a bunch of academic background projects in GSoC, too |
| 19:00.15 | kblin | like the Open Bioinformatics Foundation |
| 19:00.25 | kblin | they're nice people.. |
| 19:01.02 | tzbob | If your grades are exceptional, would it be a good thing to mention on your proposal? I don't want to come off as an ass =| |
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| 19:02.05 | weltall | has experience of grades not matching reality... |
| 19:02.49 | |Kev| | tzbob: Then do it without being an arse. |
| 19:03.02 | tzbob | Yeah, which is why I'm asking if I should put it on, I've got enough to write about regarding programming on my own projects etc. |
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| 19:04.35 | kblin | someone should apply for biopython and implement a hmmer3 parser :) |
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| 19:04.44 | |Kev| | tzbob: I'm not sure there's generally good advice to be given. It greatly depends who reads the app. |
| 19:05.02 | hiddenpearls | kblin, :) |
| 19:05.13 | tzbob | I'll leave it out I suppose, better safe than sorry. |
| 19:05.17 | |Kev| | tzbob: I've been told, at different times "I wouldn't give you a job because you've a PhD and so are too specialized to be a developer" and "You got this job because of your PhD". People are strange. |
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| 19:06.03 | |Kev| | Ultimately, what you can do is more important than the grades you have. |
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| 19:07.55 | kblin | tzbob: if you blaze through my qualification tasks with minimal hand-holding, I'm much more impressed than if you have the greatest grades ever and I need to walk you though checking out my source tree |
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| 19:08.43 | Janani | hi all, I am Janani Nayanathara from Uva wellassa university, Sri Lanka. and i am interested in applying to GSOC with "AContent module for Moodle"... can someone tell me whom I should contact? |
| 19:08.44 | tzbob | yeah I understand, and I'm glad people aren't judged by grades |
| 19:09.08 | klocatelli | !anyone |
| 19:09.09 | gsocbot | klocatelli: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. Try searching for the org's contact info or even just try a /join #<mentoring org here> |
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| 19:09.25 | klocatelli | Janani, read that ^ |
| 19:09.39 | klocatelli | if you're interested in a Moodle project, contact the moodle project ;) |
| 19:09.56 | Janani | thanks, |
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| 19:10.45 | kblin | it's another carols from outer space... |
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| 19:10.49 | kblin | runs |
| 19:11.02 | kblin | stops as he finds the cookies |
| 19:11.04 | klocatelli | For the GSoC student profile thing, I can change all this information later right? |
| 19:11.10 | gevaerts | kblin: you can't run from people who can handle interstellar travel! |
| 19:11.40 | kblin | gevaerts: depends on how fast they do that |
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| 19:12.42 | gevaerts | You may have a point there |
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| 19:13.05 | wakeupsid_ | !logs |
| 19:13.05 | gsocbot | wakeupsid_: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
| 19:13.26 | j4ke | !help |
| 19:13.27 | gsocbot | j4ke: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. |
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| 19:13.40 | hiddenpearls | There are some PHD students who does GSoC, right ? |
| 19:13.54 | klocatelli | For the GSoC student profile, it asks for address. Can I change this later? Because I anticipate moving at the end of this semester |
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| 19:14.49 | klocatelli | I'm assuming yes |
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| 19:15.00 | klocatelli | but.... don't want to lock my username to the wrong address >_> |
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| 19:16.58 | carols | hiddenpearls: yes, lots of gsoc students do gsoc. |
| 19:17.04 | carols | klocatelli: madrazr can help you with that |
| 19:17.28 | madrazr | klocatelli: sure, you can change the address later |
| 19:17.38 | klocatelli | ok cool, thanks |
| 19:17.45 | downey | !next |
| 19:17.45 | klocatelli | thought so, just making sure though :) |
| 19:17.46 | gsocbot | downey: "next" is Mar 26 19:00 UTC - Student Application period opens |
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| 19:17.51 | madrazr | klocatelli: but before carols takes the data for shipments :) |
| 19:18.00 | madrazr | klocatelli: which will happen much later :) |
| 19:18.04 | kblin | hiddenpearls: I'm a phd student, I do gsoc... as an admin :) |
| 19:18.12 | jmitra | I have a similar question....can I submit my proposal early, and then edit my submission before the dealine? |
| 19:18.13 | madrazr | klocatelli: NP |
| 19:18.16 | carols | what madrazr said |
| 19:18.23 | carols | jmitra: yes |
| 19:18.35 | jmitra | thanks, carols |
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| 19:19.57 | hiddenpearls | kblin, I will do as an admin when I will enrolled in PHD |
| 19:20.17 | hiddenpearls | I mean as a mentor :) |
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| 19:35.20 | carols | serves some more tea |
| 19:36.52 | gevaerts | gives melange some tea to help it cope with the load |
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| 19:36.55 | dfighter | hopes carols served some green tea too, if so he gladly accepts |
| 19:36.59 | downey | passes the crumpets |
| 19:37.04 | carols | of course, dfighter :-) |
| 19:37.12 | gevaerts | dfighter: it can be any colour you like! |
| 19:37.21 | downey | I suddenly have Pink Floyd stuck in my head. |
| 19:37.28 | dfighter | ty! |
| 19:37.47 | dfighter | gevaerts I know, I know, Google Tea Coloring web app :D |
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| 19:37.59 | galaxyAbstractor | Yo |
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| 19:38.15 | Applify | is getting nervous |
| 19:38.19 | gevaerts | dfighter: you can get it in blue, red, yellow or green |
| 19:38.38 | downey | gevaerts: Don't forget white tea (the best tea!) |
| 19:38.43 | dfighter | no black? |
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| 19:54.09 | *** topic/#gsoc is http://www.google-melange.com Google Summer of Code 2012 has started! Accepted organizations have been announced. You can check out the timeline: http://goo.gl/FQb2b and the FAQs: http://goo.gl/Lh4R8 for more information. | If your org was rejected and you want to find out why, email carols |
| 19:54.19 | klocatelli | ^_^ |
| 19:54.48 | |Kev| | klocatelli: It's not just about no life. If you're doing more as well, you're not going to do as well at any of it. |
| 19:54.48 | zapimaster | seems like it can conflict with my actual job... |
| 19:54.50 | platzhirsch | klocatelli: high five |
| 19:54.53 | gevaerts | Even if you think you can manage combining things, you still have to convince the organisation you actually can |
| 19:54.59 | ChrisOelmueller | if you are very positive about being able to handle the part-time job and another full time job (such as if you did this before already), tell your org up-front that you have other commitments and thoroughly evaluate whether you're still able to finish the proposal you intend to apply with |
| 19:55.20 | |Kev| | klocatelli: You should, at the least, tell your org about this. |
| 19:55.30 | klocatelli | well naturally, I'll tell the org |
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| 19:56.16 | klocatelli | I'm planning to take a summer class while doing GSoC, but I do so knowing I can (and will) drop the class if it impacts my gsoc performance :P |
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| 19:56.35 | klocatelli | but still, 40h/week is very little time |
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| 19:56.57 | isaacbw | 40h/week very little time? |
| 19:56.59 | klocatelli | well, not very little... but there's a lot of time left |
| 19:57.05 | isaacbw | for sleeping |
| 19:57.07 | weltall | tell that to people w ho work full time :D |
| 19:57.18 | klocatelli | 6 hours sleeping leaves 18 hours left ;) |
| 19:57.30 | klocatelli | - 2 hours for eating and getting ready for the day |
| 19:57.46 | klocatelli | leaves 16h/day ^_^ |
| 19:57.52 | isaacbw | 6 hours sleeping? |
| 19:58.00 | weltall | that's a bit low |
| 19:58.03 | Al_Da_Best | If you want to work 16 hours a day and do nothing else, go for it :| |
| 19:58.26 | klocatelli | well, whatever works for you I guess... 6h is fine for me |
| 19:58.38 | Michitux | and if you want to get a burnout... |
| 19:58.39 | klocatelli | even 8 hours, there's still a lot left |
| 19:58.54 | whantana | isn't 8 hours a healthy standard time ? |
| 19:59.06 | isaacbw | depends on age, but 8 or 9 |
| 19:59.08 | gevaerts | UTC is the standard time |
| 19:59.22 | whantana | gevaerts: i see what you did there |
| 19:59.24 | isaacbw | for people of the age to be in gsoc, at least |
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| 19:59.49 | gevaerts | whantana: good. It was rather obvious |
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| 20:00.15 | klocatelli | 8 hours is a myth, your body knows how much it needs |
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| 20:00.34 | isaacbw | if you were 100% healthy |
| 20:00.49 | isaacbw | and exercised a lot and ate well |
| 20:00.57 | platzhirsch | it's very individual, depends on too many factors to be just told by someone |
| 20:01.08 | gevaerts | That's not really relevant I'd say. The *real* myth is that those 14 or 16 hours can all be used for productive thinking activities |
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| 20:01.40 | whantana | gevaerts: indeed that's the real myth |
| 20:01.42 | isaacbw | I think clearly and logically until about 11am, then I turn into a zombie, then think creatively starting about about 1am |
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| 20:01.56 | klocatelli | it's all about time managment ^_^ |
| 20:02.07 | galaxyAbstractor | Hmmm, I don't know the US Education system, is a Bachelors degree the same thing as undergraduate? |
| 20:02.09 | gevaerts | klocatelli: in part, yes |
| 20:02.24 | whantana | galaxyAbstractor: pretty much |
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| 20:02.51 | galaxyAbstractor | (Bachelor of Science with a major in |
| 20:02.51 | galaxyAbstractor | Computer Science |
| 20:02.56 | galaxyAbstractor | ugh |
| 20:02.59 | galaxyAbstractor | stupid copy paste |
| 20:03.04 | platzhirsch | What should I enter in the Im network field? The example doesn't help me so much, is it: <protocol>:<specific-account> or something like that? |
| 20:03.17 | galaxyAbstractor | Major would be Computer Science I guess? |
| 20:03.19 | isaacbw | bachelors means 4 year undergrad program |
| 20:03.26 | isaacbw | associates is like community college, 2 years |
| 20:03.29 | galaxyAbstractor | It's 3 years here :s |
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| 20:03.34 | isaacbw | :O |
| 20:04.03 | gevaerts | It's full-time post-secondary accredited education. That's all that counts |
| 20:04.06 | isaacbw | platzhirsch, it's just like AIM, MSN, Skype, etc |
| 20:04.20 | isaacbw | I think |
| 20:04.32 | platzhirsch | isaacbw: just list all the protocols, okay |
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| 20:04.49 | isaacbw | ? |
| 20:05.13 | isaacbw | There's a spot for IM network and for IM handle |
| 20:05.33 | platzhirsch | isaacbw: okay, it's just that it depends on the IM |
| 20:05.39 | isaacbw | put, for example, Skype in the IM network, and boogernuggets58 in the IM handle |
| 20:05.45 | galaxyAbstractor | "Also, please try to select your school's name from the dropdown." There's no drop-down <.< |
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| 20:06.22 | dhaun | galaxyAbstractor: start typing |
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| 20:06.46 | platzhirsch | dhaun: nothing apperas |
| 20:06.55 | galaxyAbstractor | nope, nothing |
| 20:07.09 | dhaun | hmm, IIRC, it's one of those combined entry fields/drop down thingies |
| 20:07.27 | dhaun | not any more? |
| 20:07.32 | isaacbw | didn't work for me either when I did it |
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| 20:08.55 | carols | galaxyAbstractor: please file a bug with madrazr |
| 20:09.11 | galaxyAbstractor | submits another one then :> |
| 20:09.19 | madrazr | galaxyAbstractor: really!? |
| 20:09.26 | madrazr | galaxyAbstractor: that needs to be fixed right now then |
| 20:09.32 | madrazr | galaxyAbstractor: feel file an issue |
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| 20:09.45 | madrazr | galaxyAbstractor: *please file an |
| 20:09.57 | madrazr | goes to fix the school drop down |
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| 20:10.45 | platzhirsch | The proposal is written as html is that right? I thought we could submit also pds, just include that as an external link? |
| 20:11.01 | Aakash | hi, i am interested in jpf tutorial may i know ho is the mentor for this topic |
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| 20:12.03 | dhaun | platzhirsch: the problem with external links is that the content there could be changed after the deadline |
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| 20:12.57 | platzhirsch | dhaun: true, damn it I wanted to show my uber LaTeX skills ;) |
| 20:13.06 | gevaerts | Aakash: have you looked at the jpf ideas page? |
| 20:13.09 | galaxyAbstractor | madrazr sure you don't need some student workers for the GSoC page? ;)' |
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| 20:13.35 | gevaerts | galaxyAbstractor: http://code.google.com/p/soc/wiki/GSoC2012Ideas :) |
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| 20:13.48 | madrazr | gevaerts: :) |
| 20:13.50 | galaxyAbstractor | Oh, there IS, I didn't know XD |
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| 20:14.22 | Aakash | gevaerts, yes |
| 20:14.33 | galaxyAbstractor | though I've only done a bit of Python and never used django |
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| 20:14.50 | galaxyAbstractor | brb, dinners done |
| 20:14.55 | gevaerts | Aakash: then you may have spotted the "Interested Students - Contact Us" paragraph on that page |
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| 20:16.23 | Aakash | gevaerts, yeah |
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| 20:17.12 | platzhirsch | and where can I look up my online profile if I checked the publicity available checkbox? |
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| 20:21.22 | gevaerts | platzhirsch: "public" means you can give the link to people and it will actually work. It doesn't mean it's listed somewhere |
| 20:22.56 | platzhirsch | gevaerts: okay, thanks :) |
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| 20:33.48 | moota | howdy, I have a question about eligibility for SoC: I recently graduated from uni (last summer), would I still be able to participate in the program ? |
| 20:34.11 | |Kev| | The FAQ answers this. |
| 20:34.14 | |Kev| | !faq | moota |
| 20:34.15 | gsocbot | moota: "faq" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs |
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| 20:35.42 | moota | I thought the language in the FAQ was kinda ambiguous, I've been 'accepted' into an accredited school before but am not currently enrolled. Can you clarify that for me? |
| 20:35.44 | moota | Thanks |
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| 20:36.46 | |Kev| | If you're not a student on the date that the FAQ says you must be a student to apply, you can't apply. |
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| 20:40.06 | ajedwards | moota, it's not ambiguous, if you think there's a chance that you're not eligible you probably aren't eligible (and not being enrolled means you're ineligible) |
| 20:40.38 | |Kev| | I would have thought "you must be a student" was fairly unambiguous. |
| 20:40.56 | downey | "Google defines a student as an individual enrolled in or accepted into an accredited institution including (but not necessarily limited to) colleges, universities, masters programs, PhD programs and undergraduate programs." |
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| 20:43.36 | whantana | hi, given i am interested in a couple ideas of an organization should i make a proposal related to all of them , or should i propose for each idea individually ? |
| 20:44.05 | gevaerts | Proposals have to be about a single project |
| 20:44.31 | whantana | gevaerts: thnx |
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| 21:07.28 | mlankhorst | !next |
| 21:07.30 | galaxyAbstractor | gah I hate rich-text editors on the web, they all fail me :< |
| 21:07.30 | gsocbot | mlankhorst: "next" is Apr 6 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. |
| 21:07.34 | mlankhorst | ah good :) |
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| 21:08.50 | galaxyAbstractor | I have no idea what I did but now it insist writing my proposal at lowest font size and I have to select the text I've written and reset it back to 12 pt <.< |
| 21:08.55 | galaxyAbstractor | I guess it's my luck lol |
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| 21:09.41 | meflin | you do realize its going to be viewed in a web browser ? |
| 21:09.43 | |Kev| | It's tempramental. I'd use the html editor IIWY. |
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| 21:11.04 | pranavk | hi guys, on what basis organization accept students. i have heard that number of patches submitted is important criteria ..... |
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| 21:11.27 | Al_Da_Best | Varies per Org |
| 21:11.29 | meflin | depends on the org |
| 21:12.33 | pranavk | and isn't there any provision of applying for contributing to already existing project ?, they are asking for new project title mandatorily. |
| 21:13.21 | gevaerts | Don't confuse the seventeen different meanings of "project". In GSoC, "project" is the work you do |
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| 21:25.02 | hybrid_ | is there anyone here ushahidi or kohana related? |
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| 21:26.41 | meflin | !anyone |hybrid |
| 21:26.52 | meflin | foo |
| 21:27.30 | meflin | !anyone |
| 21:27.30 | gsocbot | meflin: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. Try searching for the org's contact info or even just try a /join #<mentoring org here> |
| 21:27.46 | tomprince | !anyone | hybrid_ |
| 21:27.46 | gsocbot | hybrid_: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. Try searching for the org's contact info or even just try a /join #<mentoring org here> |
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| 21:38.11 | galaxyAbstractor | madrazr I found another possible bug, if you press enter twice in the "content" box when making a proposal then backspace once, font size is set to smallest. I guess I should do another report? Or am I being annoying already :P |
| 21:39.28 | madrazr | galaxyAbstractor: you can file as many bugs as you want, as long as they are sensible :) |
| 21:39.46 | madrazr | galaxyAbstractor: but the problem with this is that, this is not something in our hands |
| 21:39.55 | madrazr | galaxyAbstractor: so we can't really fix this issue |
| 21:39.55 | galaxyAbstractor | ah I see |
| 21:40.21 | madrazr | galaxyAbstractor: it is TinyMCE that is doing what you are telling |
| 21:40.34 | madrazr | galaxyAbstractor: so it is a TinyMCE bug but not a Melange bug |
| 21:40.49 | galaxyAbstractor | ah, then I rather report it to TinyMCE |
| 21:41.56 | madrazr | galaxyAbstractor: sure :) |
| 21:42.25 | galaxyAbstractor | It's weird really, I never find/notice bugs in other software than my own :s |
| 21:43.49 | madrazr | galaxyAbstractor: :P |
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| 21:50.22 | iananananan | Is there a minimum age? |
| 21:50.46 | Ko_lo | iananananan: I read 18 on gsoc condition |
| 21:51.05 | iananananan | Ko_lo, thanks |
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| 21:51.15 | Ko_lo | you'r welcome |
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| 21:55.20 | Ko_lo | " you are or will be 18 years of age or older by April 23, 2012 at 19:00 UTC" iananananan |
| 21:55.30 | iananananan | Ko_lo, yeah, found that |
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| 21:58.23 | Gentlecat | specialist degree is undergrad, right? |
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| 22:01.59 | Amoug | If my name is Luis Garcia Sanchez (on papers), but I use Garcia Sanchez everywhere on the internet. Should I add Luis when I apply for GSoC ? |
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| 22:04.46 | Gentlecat | oh, yes it is, nevermind |
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| 22:06.10 | MatthewWilkes | Amoug: I don't speak officially, but I believe that you can use whatever name you like as your visible name, but the proof of enrolment etc documents you submit will all have to match up, and the name on those is the one that will be used to pay you |
| 22:06.28 | MatthewWilkes | Amoug: It's worth searching the email archives and emailing the mailing list if you can't find anything, though |
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| 23:05.53 | Guest67284 | hi |
| 23:06.06 | Guest67284 | so do we like... have to travel to participate? |
| 23:06.19 | tomprince | No. |
| 23:07.43 | tomprince | It is not typical to travel, for GSoC. Most open source projects are not geographically located. |
| 23:09.50 | Guest67284 | Awesome. |
| 23:10.33 | bretonium | I'd like to, though |
| 23:12.27 | MatthewWilkes | bretonium: You can work that out with your mentoring org, many of them have conferences |
| 23:15.43 | luizribeiro | bretonium: and if there's an open source conference near you, you might want to attend it too. last year I went to FISL with a few other brazilian gsoc students and mentors (we met carols there too) :) |
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| 23:19.59 | rahulr92 | Hi. Just to be on the safe side, will the student profile be editable later on, once we register? |
| 23:21.50 | bretonium | I don't think I will find any gsoc participants in my country, as well as foss conferences in 6k km radius :) |
| 23:22.38 | bretonium | + to rahulr92 question - are applications to organizations editable? |
| 23:22.47 | ojwb | bretonium: where are you? |
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| 23:23.00 | bretonium | ojwb: Uzbekistan |
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| 23:24.17 | gevaerts | bretonium: if all else fails, organise your own conference |
| 23:24.29 | ThomasWaldmann | they finally should invent beaming |
| 23:24.48 | spM__ | I had wrongly registered myself as a mentor, now i am unable to register as a student :( what should I do :( ? |
| 23:24.57 | gevaerts | spM__: ask in #melange |
| 23:25.08 | gevaerts | They should be able to fix that |
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| 23:30.13 | Amoug | spM__, register with an other google account ? |
| 23:33.25 | ojwb | bretonium: hmm, I think 6000km would get you plenty - europe seem to be a mere 4000km away |
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| 23:33.41 | ojwb | and india too |
| 23:34.01 | Karimhes | Hey all :) |
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| 23:35.49 | qballer | And it's Inn. |
| 23:35.54 | qballer | :D |
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| 23:46.40 | spM___ | No one replies on #melange, regarding what should i do, if I wrongly registered as a mentor, and I cant apply as a student :( confused :( |
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| 23:47.23 | bretonium | spM___: it's night now maybe, try in 6-8 hours |
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| 23:48.48 | ojwb | so patient |
| 23:49.05 | Amoug | If I apply today, I can edit my proposal until the April, 6th, right ? |
| 23:50.17 | platzhirsch | Having thoughts and idea about a project is sooo different from actual writing code, immediately you face thousand of problems. This is nothing new for me, however, I am astonished every time |
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| 23:55.50 | tomprince | Amoug: Yes. |
| 23:58.06 | qballer | platzhirsch, I completely agree |
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