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| 00:12.30 | jasebo | ojwb: $AU is about $US1.06 |
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| 00:13.24 | jasebo | GSoC happens during uni year, there's no long winter break, so it's hard for Australian students |
| 00:18.14 | ojwb | yeah |
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| 01:43.40 | eamonford | Question: I'm a student wanting to apply for GSoC but my school is on the quarter system, and so I don't get out until mid june. Is it still possible for me to participate in GSoC? |
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| 01:45.16 | ojwb | eamonford: you can talk to the orgs you're interested in about it, but that seems likely to be problematic |
| 01:45.31 | eamonford | Okay, thanks! |
| 01:46.02 | ojwb | students with exams etc often start coding early |
| 01:47.10 | coyotebush | okay, I've been wondering the same thing. |
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| 01:48.04 | eamonford | would we still be expected to work full-time before school gets out? |
| 01:48.14 | madrazr | ojwb: eamonford: it really depends on you and your org. Both the times I participated as a student I had my exams exactly during the mid of GSoC. 1st week of July or so |
| 01:48.21 | madrazr | but I managed it both the times |
| 01:48.30 | madrazr | eamonford: yes! |
| 01:48.33 | eamonford | alright |
| 01:48.40 | madrazr | eamonford: or even more, because you will be away during your exams |
| 01:48.50 | madrazr | eamonford: no one will force you |
| 01:48.58 | madrazr | eamonford: but it is about completing your project |
| 01:49.09 | eamonford | alright |
| 01:49.18 | eamonford | I will talk with my org about that then |
| 01:49.24 | madrazr | eamonford: sure |
| 01:49.31 | eamonford | thanks for the info |
| 01:50.10 | ojwb | you need to tell the org though, we don't like it if we only find out about something like that when it happens |
| 01:50.15 | ojwb | or worse a week after it happens |
| 01:52.01 | eamonford | ojwb: okay, I'll be sure to do that |
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| 01:54.52 | llanford|sahana | Good evening, all. |
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| 02:04.24 | mkutub | hi |
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| 02:06.10 | klocatelli | hi |
| 02:08.27 | llanford|sahana | How are you all doing researching the available projects? |
| 02:08.39 | isaacbw | what do you mean? |
| 02:09.43 | llanford|sahana | isaacbw, there are a lot of projects to choose from, just asking how it's going. |
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| 02:12.21 | klocatelli | Personally I'm doing *very* well |
| 02:12.47 | llanford|sahana | klocatelli, great to hear! |
| 02:12.49 | llanford|sahana | Best of luck. |
| 02:13.00 | klocatelli | I've spent basically half my spring break researching my project, and as far as I know it's a completely new project that's never been done :D |
| 02:13.05 | maheshakya | Battle For Wesnoth ? |
| 02:13.09 | klocatelli | We'll see if it gets accepted, but I'm hopeful |
| 02:13.17 | klocatelli | What about you? |
| 02:13.38 | isaacbw | oh yea, I've found an org that I'm very excited about and a project idea that the org seems excited about |
| 02:13.54 | llanford|sahana | klocatelli, I'm a mentor, not a student. Working on my selection criteria and thought it would be a good idea to talk with the potential applicants! |
| 02:14.26 | isaacbw | what org are you with? |
| 02:14.30 | isaacbw | if you don't mind me asking |
| 02:14.33 | ojwb | the clue is in the name |
| 02:14.34 | klocatelli | oh, sorry! Just assumed... how's the selection process going so far? A lot of on-the-ball early-ish applicants? |
| 02:14.41 | isaacbw | heh |
| 02:15.00 | llanford|sahana | isaacbw, that's the way to do it. We're looking forward to getting to know our applicants over the next few weeks. |
| 02:15.14 | llanford|sahana | isaacbw, I'm with the Sahana Foundation, on the CERT projects. |
| 02:17.25 | llanford|sahana | klocatelli, there are some on-the-ball students getting to know the community already. It's great to have the chance to interact this early on. |
| 02:17.41 | llanford|sahana | Sounds like you guys are doing the same with your orgs. |
| 02:18.00 | ojwb | already? the really on the ball ones started weeks ago! |
| 02:18.34 | llanford|sahana | ojwb, indeed. |
| 02:19.50 | llanford|sahana | I have no idea how many choose their desired orgs early, and how many we might see as the deadline gets closer. |
| 02:20.49 | llanford|sahana | Which is part of why I'm hanging out here tonight -- I have a responsibility to learn about the students as well. |
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| 02:41.08 | wo1017428 | Are there Chinese people? |
| 02:41.57 | isaacbw | I've met a few who claim to be Chinese, but I guess we can't really know for sure |
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| 02:46.47 | wo1017428 | OK,thanks. |
| 02:48.25 | MatthewWilkes | It's difficult for chinese people to take part due to the firewall, I think |
| 02:48.34 | MatthewWilkes | I heard it blocks Google App Engine and therefore melange |
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| 02:52.11 | ojwb | it seemed last year it didn't block all of appengine |
| 02:52.35 | ojwb | ISTR the older URL worked |
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| 02:54.10 | wo1017428 | YES.you are right.GAE is blocked in china.but we can cross the firewall. |
| 02:54.23 | isaacbw | wo1017428, I was joking. I'm sorry, it was dry |
| 02:54.47 | isaacbw | why would google app engine be blocked |
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| 02:57.38 | ojwb | because the chinese government decided it |
| 02:58.08 | ojwb | possibly it's caught by a block on other google stuff like youtube |
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| 06:20.44 | hvq | hi, I cannot see the apply button on my homepage. I sent an email to the staff at melange-soc@googlegroups.com 2 days ago but still no reply yet :( |
| 06:20.54 | hvq | Is there any advice for me? thanx |
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| 08:12.13 | |Kev| | And there's our first "Copy the idea from the ideas page, ignore the template, paste idea into application, say "I'm really good, pick me", and hit send". |
| 08:12.16 | |Kev| | Le sigh. |
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| 08:35.23 | raincole | I couldn't figure out how to apply as a student... |
| 08:35.34 | raincole | I see "mentors: apply now!" only |
| 08:35.43 | |Kev| | You've already registered as a mentor, you can't be both. |
| 08:36.13 | |Kev| | I'm not sure what the best way to get it remedied is - try the #melange channel. |
| 08:36.20 | |Kev| | Assuming you want to stop being a mentor and start being a student. |
| 08:36.21 | ajedwards | they should obfuscate google-melange a little... make finding the application button a bit harder for people |
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| 08:37.02 | gevaerts | !apply-mentor |
| 08:37.02 | gsocbot | gevaerts: "apply-mentor" is mail melange-soc@googlegroups.com with the link_id (top right of your screen) and tell them you are mistakenly registerd as a mentor |
| 08:37.16 | |Kev| | gevaerts: Thanks. |
| 08:37.32 | raincole | oh, thanks |
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| 08:52.26 | guifre | If I submit now the proposal, i am still able to modify it until the deadline, right? |
| 08:52.52 | |Kev| | Yes. |
| 08:52.58 | guifre | nice |
| 08:54.15 | |Kev| | Just do file it with a 'Work in progress' note, if that's what it is. |
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| 10:01.14 | somehow2 | :S |
| 10:01.51 | TimmyBrown | hi |
| 10:01.53 | TimmyBrown | is there any 1 |
| 10:02.14 | TimmyBrown | kblin kag_anil Lennie scorche scorche|sh ukai wolfb |
| 10:02.59 | wolfb | TimmyBrown, that is not smart behavior. consider yourself warned. |
| 10:03.06 | wolfb | So what's up |
| 10:03.59 | _hsr | thanks to GSoC I have permission to skip classes XD |
| 10:04.12 | |Kev| | wolfb: I note it's taken him longer to reply to you than it took before he started highlighting people... |
| 10:04.15 | TimmyBrown | :S |
| 10:04.18 | TimmyBrown | what i'v done |
| 10:04.21 | |Kev| | _hsr: And this is a good thing? |
| 10:04.22 | TimmyBrown | :| |
| 10:04.34 | TimmyBrown | i was just knocking cause not getting anyone |
| 10:04.44 | |Kev| | How long did you wait? Hours? Days? |
| 10:04.44 | madrazr | _hsr: I wish I had that :D |
| 10:04.48 | TimmyBrown | :| |
| 10:04.51 | TimmyBrown | no |
| 10:04.55 | TimmyBrown | :| |
| 10:04.56 | TimmyBrown | i mean |
| 10:04.58 | wolfb | TimmyBrown, still I haven't seen a valid request from you? |
| 10:05.08 | TimmyBrown | wolfb oh alright |
| 10:05.09 | |Kev| | There are 359 people in this room. The chances that they're all here for your benefit are *really* slim. |
| 10:05.11 | wolfb | what's on your mind? |
| 10:05.17 | kblin | hey wolfb, how's life? :) |
| 10:05.21 | wolfb | :S is not a anything I can work with |
| 10:05.29 | wolfb | hey kblin! |
| 10:05.33 | wolfb | Life's good :) |
| 10:05.48 | kblin | just figured out half of the TSIG request crypto in DNS |
| 10:05.59 | |Kev| | kblin: TS or IG? |
| 10:06.10 | kblin | now I just need to get the outgoing signature right so the client will accept taht |
| 10:06.36 | kblin | |Kev|: SI, T and G seem to be controlled by the client ;) |
| 10:06.40 | wolfb | googles TSIG |
| 10:06.48 | kblin | transaction signatures |
| 10:07.15 | TimmyBrown | hi kblin |
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| 10:07.16 | wolfb | that's pretty cook kblin! :) |
| 10:07.19 | kblin | I'm working on a DNS server this week, and people wanted secure updates |
| 10:07.21 | gevaerts | TimmyBrown: on IRC it's considered *very* bad form to ping random people to get attention. Also, it's usual to just ask if you have a question, and not to first try to ask if anyone's there |
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| 10:07.28 | wolfb | s,cook,cool, |
| 10:07.46 | TimmyBrown | :-s |
| 10:07.47 | wolfb | TimmyBrown, if you got something to say, just say it |
| 10:07.49 | atermenji | hi. does anybody know what is the issue with google melange proposal submission form? I copypaste the text and when I click "update" there are no whitespaces left |
| 10:07.58 | kblin | TimmyBrown: and unless you have something to ask that's private, ask on the channel, not in query |
| 10:08.06 | wolfb | atermenji, sounds like a bug to me |
| 10:08.16 | TimmyBrown | kblin |
| 10:08.18 | wolfb | did you check the melange bug tracker if it has been reported? |
| 10:08.25 | TimmyBrown | is this site related to google inc. |
| 10:08.30 | *** kick/#gsoc [TimmyBrown!wolfb@nat/google/x-osinikqdrwwhuidj] by wolfb (learn to behave) |
| 10:08.30 | kblin | atermenji: oh, I've seen that one before |
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| 10:08.40 | TimmyBrown | what i have done |
| 10:08.41 | kblin | TimmyBrown: what site? |
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| 10:08.55 | TimmyBrown | kblin google-melange |
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| 10:08.57 | |Kev| | 11:07 < gevaerts> TimmyBrown: on IRC it's considered *very* bad form to ping random people to get attention. |
| 10:09.00 | |Kev| | 11:08 < TimmyBrown> kblin |
| 10:09.07 | TimmyBrown | sorry i am new in irc |
| 10:09.17 | TimmyBrown | o don't know how to express what |
| 10:09.19 | kblin | atermenji: somewhere in your preferences, you should be able to turn off tinymce, that might help |
| 10:09.21 | TimmyBrown | if i do anything wrong |
| 10:09.23 | gevaerts | |Kev|: why did you ping me? ;) |
| 10:09.24 | atermenji | wolfb: no I didn't. but is is rather annoying since the proposal is rather big and I cannot rewrite it from scratch |
| 10:09.34 | |Kev| | gevaerts: An excellent question. |
| 10:09.37 | kblin | gevaerts: just to get your attention, silly |
| 10:09.45 | TimmyBrown | kblin hello |
| 10:09.46 | atermenji | kblin: thanks, I'll try now |
| 10:09.54 | TimmyBrown | kblin i asked about google-melange |
| 10:09.58 | wolfb | TimmyBrown, yes Google Summer of Code is run by Google, if that is what you were wondering |
| 10:10.19 | TimmyBrown | wolfb yes actually i have got the site today and feeling interest thats why |
| 10:10.53 | wolfb | TimmyBrown, sure, go ahead, check the different organisations and read the student's guidebook |
| 10:11.03 | kblin | TimmyBrown: right, and the world doesn't revolve around you. I answered atermenji first. a nice example of asking questions the right way |
| 10:11.11 | kblin | !faq | TimmyBrown |
| 10:11.11 | gsocbot | TimmyBrown: "faq" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs |
| 10:11.13 | wolfb | TimmyBrown, http://www.booki.cc/gsocstudentguide/ |
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| 10:11.26 | ojwb | atermenji: it shouldn't mangle stuff, but people do seem to have issues trying to paste in text |
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| 10:11.35 | TimmyBrown | alright |
| 10:11.36 | ojwb | it's the tinymce edit control apparently |
| 10:11.45 | ojwb | I think there's a way to disable it in your profile |
| 10:12.01 | ojwb | so if you do that, you can probably paste safely |
| 10:12.02 | atermenji | ojwb: thanks for help. do you know where exactly can I disable this? |
| 10:12.04 | wolfb | ojwb, I thought they swore to get rid of that monster already last year :( |
| 10:12.20 | wolfb | apparently its's doing more harm than good... |
| 10:12.21 | ojwb | atermenji: can you see it in your profile? |
| 10:12.24 | |Kev| | atermenji: Another option is to click the button that lets you edit as HTML, somewhere. |
| 10:12.39 | |Kev| | (Which is what I generally do, as tinymce doesn't render my text at all, it seems) |
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| 10:14.34 | atermenji | ojwb: on Google melange site there are only fields with my profile info (name, address) when I click My Profile tab |
| 10:14.49 | ojwb | atermenji: try |Kev|'s suggestion then |
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| 10:15.35 | ojwb | yeah, the tinymce global disable option seems to have gone, or else I dreamed it in the first place |
| 10:15.49 | |Kev| | What a pleasant dream :) |
| 10:17.28 | ojwb | seems the raw html button on the control has gone too! |
| 10:17.42 | atermenji | ojwb: |Kev|: thanks for advice guys. I should have written a proposal in pure html before, not in libreoffice |
| 10:17.51 | dfighter | just paste your text into a plain text editor, and copy it to melange from there |
| 10:17.58 | dfighter | that way it doesn't mangle it for me |
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| 10:19.03 | |Kev| | ojwb: Really? It was there yesterday or thereabouts. |
| 10:19.13 | ojwb | hmm |
| 10:19.19 | ChrisOelmueller | yeah i also used it yesterday |
| 10:19.23 | ojwb | none of the buttons seem to do it |
| 10:19.31 | |Kev| | Still there for me. |
| 10:19.38 | |Kev| | There's a button whose icon is "HTML". |
| 10:19.53 | atermenji | yes it is there |
| 10:19.55 | |Kev| | Mouse-over "Edit HTML Source". |
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| 10:20.24 | atermenji | why do not allow just to upload pdf file ? :) |
| 10:20.31 | ojwb | not for me on the "leave a comment" on proposal edit |
| 10:21.35 | |Kev| | ojwb: Ah, I wasn't looking there. |
| 10:21.45 | |Kev| | atermenji: That would be a nuisance for the people who need to review the proposals. |
| 10:21.49 | ojwb | odd that they are different |
| 10:22.40 | ojwb | not that somewhat randomly reformatted HTML is great for that |
| 10:22.44 | |Kev| | That does seem curious. |
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| 10:25.34 | megh_mayur | I have to do summer training for 6 weeks as part of my curriculum, Is it possible that my chances of getting selected are reduced because of this. |
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| 10:26.59 | |Kev| | megh_mayur: You should talk to the org about it, and discuss the impact it would have. |
| 10:27.12 | |Kev| | megh_mayur: Orgs are generally quite forgiving about University commitments. |
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| 10:31.29 | megh_mayur | In most of the application forms i have seen that they specifically ask if there are any other commitments like classes etc. |
| 10:32.14 | ChrisOelmueller | that's to review whether your schedule sounds feasible, not to filter out the student |
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| 10:32.34 | ChrisOelmueller | it's bad to "suddenly" remember that you need to go MIA for two weeks without communicating this before |
| 10:33.07 | |Kev| | megh_mayur: If you get accepted without telling the org, and then vanish while doing classes, or make no progress, you're likely to get failed. |
| 10:33.26 | |Kev| | megh_mayur: If you tell the orgs when you apply, they're likely to work with you to sort it out. They're unlikely to hold it against you. |
| 10:33.48 | |Kev| | Orgs are generally nice people. |
| 10:33.53 | ChrisOelmueller | if you know about a commitment before and add it to your list of project milestones and your mentors are informed, i see no problem here |
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| 10:35.42 | kblin | I've seen people schedule a two-week vacation :) |
| 10:35.59 | kblin | and if you compensate for that in planning, that's cool |
| 10:37.33 | ChrisOelmueller | i personally could not hold the gsoc schedule without vacation in between as well in my current shape :) |
| 10:38.10 | |Kev| | megh_mayur: Look at it this way - if you didn't turn up for your job for a fortnight, what would happen? |
| 10:38.22 | |Kev| | megh_mayur: And if you booked a fortnight's holiday, what would happen then? |
| 10:38.32 | |Kev| | megh_mayur: It's all setting expectations. |
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| 10:39.26 | megh_mayur | I think i wouldn't have any problems with the amount of work, it's just that i won't be available from say 9 to 5 |
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| 10:40.39 | |Kev| | megh_mayur: Just chat to the orgs. Orgs want good candidates, because they want to recruit long-term contributors. What you produce over the summer is almost secondary to how you do it. |
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| 10:41.43 | ChrisOelmueller | please don't try to keep up the same workload during those weeks if you're working on other stuff 9-5 |
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| 10:42.40 | kblin | it's not going to work anyway |
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| 10:46.16 | ajedwards | today's entertainment brought to you by scorned in Bangladesh... |
| 10:46.32 | qballer | spam bot? |
| 10:46.54 | schumaml | is someone seriously attacking a communications channel of the one company with the best internet-wide cross-referencing capabilities? |
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| 10:47.06 | maxpagel | :-D |
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| 10:47.36 | Droggl | lol |
| 10:47.42 | _hsr | lol |
| 10:47.55 | ajedwards | qballer, clearly some moron without a clue... same ip address on every single clone |
| 10:48.03 | _hsr | * fatoasso has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) < |
| 10:48.14 | |Kev| | At least dear Timmy thinks we're smart and bad-ass. |
| 10:48.15 | _hsr | is that a random name or a chosen one? |
| 10:48.25 | kblin | wonders how log it takes to aim the orbital death ray on 58.97.221.162 |
| 10:48.42 | qballer | lol |
| 10:48.54 | |Kev| | It's TimmyBrown from earlier, who got kicked for coming in and repeatedly pinging people. |
| 10:49.12 | |Kev| | I think he's a bit of a star. |
| 10:49.35 | _hsr | lol yeah |
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| 10:50.03 | qballer | star? |
| 10:50.05 | kblin | well, the freenode bot spambot detection triggered faster than my /kick |
| 10:50.14 | kblin | gives freenode a cookie |
| 10:50.54 | _hsr | a simple address weep gave the flat ID he's residing |
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| 10:50.59 | _hsr | o.O |
| 10:51.04 | _hsr | *sweep |
| 10:51.22 | kblin | shrugs |
| 10:51.27 | kblin | back to work :) |
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| 10:52.19 | ajedwards | it's a shame the bot doesn't do a !note "spammed gsoc irc channel" on people so mentors can see what they're dealing with |
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| 10:53.52 | kblin | that's the benefit the mentors get from hanging out here |
| 10:54.21 | |Kev| | I don't think this was someone applying for GSoC. |
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| 10:56.02 | ajedwards | i think from looking at his attitude on entrance that it was yet another person hounding google for a job |
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| 10:58.47 | kblin | I should connect him to the people hounding me to work for google |
| 10:58.57 | kblin | they can be on an equal level of annoyance |
| 10:59.07 | kblin | they should get along spiffy |
| 10:59.35 | ajedwards | i had a recruiter from intel bugging me for 3 months on and off, after i'd declined the job in question |
| 11:00.22 | kblin | well, the sad part is that whatever person was trying to recruit me apparently never even googled me to figure out what I might be intersted in |
| 11:00.38 | kblin | I think they just got me off the gsoc 2005 list |
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| 11:00.59 | ajedwards | she wanted to put me forward for the position i "hadn't been successful for" again... and although i asked to be removed from their system they still sent me this "Unfortunately, you were not selected to interview for this position." LOL! |
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| 11:01.32 | kblin | and amazingly enough, both my interests and skill set changed a bit in the last 7 years |
| 11:03.17 | ajedwards | i don't know why recruiters never seem to listen, surely it'd be a waste of time to keep calling someone when they've told you they have no interest?.. odd |
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| 11:08.50 | |Kev| | ajedwards: The first recruiter that contacted me for Google at least made reference to my open source stuff. The last one just seemed to pick me at random on LinkedIn. |
| 11:11.14 | ajedwards | ah linkedin... the "professional" networks are full of annoying recruiters spamming ads, had to set it to block all messages before i went insane =/ |
| 11:11.58 | |Kev| | I don't get so many. Evidently I'm less popular :) |
| 11:13.03 | kblin | |Kev|: your phd probably makes you overqualified for most of the jobs |
| 11:13.39 | ajedwards | i joined an ibm one a while ago, the amount of people messaging claiming to be recruiters for ibm india wasn't even funny |
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| 11:14.21 | |Kev| | kblin: You're making mighty assumptions about the level of research done by recruiters on LinkedIn here :) |
| 11:14.55 | kblin | possibly, but I'm about to head to lunch and am in a positive mood :) |
| 11:15.38 | |Kev| | Lunch is good :) |
| 11:15.49 | |Kev| | Although I think my public profile doesn't expose my PhD. |
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| 11:38.08 | Jmon | Hello. I've read the FAQ but I still have some doubts. Could you answer me my questions? |
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| 11:39.31 | Jmon | 1st of all, do you have to work alone or with the mentor? 2nd. What kind of project do I have to apply? Do you have some examples of them, I 've not been able to find them. |
| 11:39.52 | Jmon | 3rd What programming language do you have to use? |
| 11:40.23 | ajedwards | 1, you work alone but the mentor can help your project direction significantly and will be invaluable when you get stuck |
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| 11:40.49 | ajedwards | 2, you need to find a project, discuss the project with the mentoring organisation and then prepare a project plan as per their proposal template |
| 11:41.09 | |Kev| | 3) LISP. Always LISP. |
| 11:41.10 | ajedwards | 3, this is for the mentoring organisation to decide |
| 11:41.12 | |Kev| | Also: not really. |
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| 11:41.57 | gevaerts | |Kev|: wasn't it the google summer of cobol this year? |
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| 11:42.22 | d34th4ck3r_ | |Kev|: ROFL.. |
| 11:42.23 | Jmon | but, do you discuss the project after it has been accepted , do you? |
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| 11:43.59 | Jmon | I really don't have what kind of project I could do in open source.. |
| 11:44.41 | |Kev| | Generally you discuss before, during and after submitting a proposal. |
| 11:44.49 | ajedwards | Jmon, most organisations have a list of ideas and will discuss these with you, although you have left it a bit late to be discussing ideas with them |
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| 11:45.43 | Jmon | I have read about this a week ago |
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| 11:46.18 | Jmon | thank you ajedwards anyway |
| 11:47.52 | |Kev| | ajedwards: I'm not sure that's true, is it? |
| 11:47.53 | ThomasWaldmann | Jmon: maybe you can filter the org / ideas list for programming languages and software / projects you are already familiar with |
| 11:48.04 | |Kev| | We've still got students starting to chat to us now, and I think that's fine. |
| 11:48.58 | ThomasWaldmann | Jmon: (I don't see much chance to make a reasonable application for OTHER stuff in the remaining time) |
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| 11:50.35 | ajedwards | |Kev|, it'd be a rush to put together a decent plan in such a short time - isn't it under a week until all proposals have to be completed? |
| 11:50.40 | Jmon | . |
| 11:50.55 | Jmon | 1 week and a day left |
| 11:50.57 | ajedwards | idk, depends on the org i guess |
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| 12:01.11 | hvq | hi |
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| 12:01.47 | hvq | I can not see the apply button and have sent an email to google melange but no reply yet :( |
| 12:01.56 | hvq | I am really worried, what should I do now? |
| 12:02.36 | madrazr | hvq: where did you send the email? |
| 12:02.54 | madrazr | hvq: the email ID I mean |
| 12:02.58 | madrazr | hvq: I don't think we have a google melange email ID? |
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| 12:03.03 | hvq | madrazr: I sent my link_ID to this email melange-soc@googlegroups.com |
| 12:03.10 | madrazr | hvq: ah |
| 12:03.14 | hvq | madrazr: oopz |
| 12:03.25 | madrazr | hvq: thats the correct email ID :) |
| 12:03.25 | hvq | madrazr: so what should I do now? |
| 12:03.29 | hvq | :@) |
| 12:03.50 | hvq | madrazr: it has been 2 days and there is only 1 week left, I am really worried |
| 12:03.52 | madrazr | hvq: wait until some one replies |
| 12:04.03 | hvq | ok :( |
| 12:04.07 | hvq | madrazr: thanx |
| 12:04.14 | madrazr | hvq: that is weird, I have not seen the email though |
| 12:04.24 | hvq | oh |
| 12:04.26 | madrazr | hvq: can you link to the email thread? |
| 12:04.35 | madrazr | hvq: or at least tell the subject line please? |
| 12:05.04 | hvq | madrazr: title: "Can not apply proposal for GSoC2012", my email address is quahuynh@gmail.com |
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| 12:06.17 | madrazr | hvq: searching |
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| 12:07.05 | hvq | madrazr: hope you can find it =/=, I sent it on Mar 28 (GMT+8) |
| 12:07.08 | madrazr | hvq: I cannot see any such email though |
| 12:07.16 | madrazr | hvq: https://groups.google.com/group/melange-soc?pli=1 |
| 12:07.21 | madrazr | here is the email archives |
| 12:07.26 | madrazr | I can't find your email |
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| 12:07.40 | madrazr | hvq: anyway without bike-shedding on finding the email |
| 12:07.44 | madrazr | what is the problem? |
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| 12:07.57 | hvq | I can not see the apply button on the page |
| 12:08.08 | madrazr | hvq: have you registered as a student? |
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| 12:08.31 | hvq | oh, how to do that? I thought I just need to fill in the profile page right? |
| 12:08.42 | madrazr | hvq: yes, the student one |
| 12:09.16 | hvq | madrazr: yes, I am done with that. Can you check my link_ID again, it's quang010692? |
| 12:10.01 | madrazr | hvq: checking, but in the mean time |
| 12:10.06 | madrazr | did you register as mentor by any chance? |
| 12:10.07 | madrazr | :P |
| 12:10.09 | madrazr | just guessing |
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| 12:10.33 | hvq | madrazr: yes, guys on the forums also said so but I remember I didn't do that |
| 12:10.46 | madrazr | hvq: Ok |
| 12:10.49 | madrazr | checking |
| 12:11.00 | hvq | madrazr: I did click on the "apply" button for mentor, but when the text box appeared, I did not submit or fill in anything |
| 12:11.17 | madrazr | hvq: Ok |
| 12:12.37 | madrazr | hvq: you have registered as a mentor |
| 12:13.01 | hvq | madrazr:oopz, really? What should I do now? |
| 12:13.17 | hvq | madrazr: I have no idea when I did that =.= |
| 12:13.19 | madrazr | hvq: can you send me an email and CC carol? |
| 12:13.31 | hvq | may I know the email addresses? |
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| 12:13.40 | madrazr | hvq: sure, I will PM you |
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| 12:13.46 | hvq | madrazr: thanx |
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| 12:15.38 | kblin | hey madrazr |
| 12:15.48 | madrazr | kblin: Hi |
| 12:16.04 | kblin | thanks for helping out with some of the melange confusions :) |
| 12:16.20 | madrazr | kblin: No problem! |
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| 12:17.15 | madrazr | kblin: it is fun to work on Melange :) |
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| 12:22.19 | dontula_kapil | hello |
| 12:22.38 | dontula_kapil | can we apply two projects for one organisation |
| 12:22.43 | dontula_kapil | :) |
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| 12:24.09 | madrazr | dontula_kapil: yes, but talk to your organization once |
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| 12:24.37 | madrazr | dontula_kapil: there is no rule that stops you from doing that, but mentoring organizations may have their own policies |
| 12:24.46 | madrazr | dontula_kapil: I had submitted two applications to the same org :) |
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| 12:25.14 | madrazr | dontula_kapil: so yes, please talk to your organization before submitting two applications |
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| 12:26.09 | dontula_kapil | thank you :) |
| 12:26.28 | dontula_kapil | can we edit or update our application after submission |
| 12:26.33 | dontula_kapil | ?. |
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| 12:26.53 | kblin | !learn two proposals as Technically, nothing stops you from submitting two proposals to one org, but talk to the org in question if they want you to. |
| 12:26.53 | gsocbot | kblin: "two proposals" is Technically, nothing stops you from submitting two proposals to one org, but talk to the org in question if they want you to. |
| 12:27.00 | kblin | !edit | dontula_kapil |
| 12:27.00 | gsocbot | dontula_kapil: "edit" is Students can edit proposals up until the application deadline. Mentors can allow students to edit proposals on a case-by-case basis after the deadline. Note that comments on proposals can _not_ be edited after submitting. |
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| 12:27.21 | avinash | anyone please let me know irc channel for bloomington organization |
| 12:27.41 | kblin | their website would have that, hopefully? |
| 12:28.00 | kblin | if they don't mention an irc channel on the website, it's unlikely they use IRC |
| 12:28.45 | avinash | ya but i am not finding any discussion on mailing list too |
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| 12:29.28 | kblin | surely they have some ways to be contacted mentioned on their profile page |
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| 12:32.10 | rodrigods | hi, if I submit more than 1 proposal, if they are good enough to be accepted, who will decide which proposal will actually be accepted? |
| 12:33.26 | gevaerts | rodrigods: the organisations involved, possibly after asking you |
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| 12:33.49 | gevaerts | Or google, in case the organisations can't come to an agreement or don't do anything |
| 12:34.45 | rodrigods | gevaerts, thanks ;) |
| 12:35.14 | gevaerts | If you have a preferred project, mention this in the proposal so the organisation involved knows |
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| 12:35.30 | dontula_kapil | Thanks :) |
| 12:35.33 | dontula_kapil | for the info |
| 12:35.51 | dontula_kapil | i will submit my proposol first phase by today |
| 12:35.53 | dontula_kapil | :) |
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| 12:41.38 | galaxyAbstractor | will there be any stats released about what unis people come from at some point? It would be interesting to know :> |
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| 12:45.02 | kblin | yes, on the google-opensource blog |
| 12:45.13 | galaxyAbstractor | ah, nice :> |
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| 12:46.45 | galaxyAbstractor | I'm pretty sure I'm the only one applying at my uni though, but I'm curious if there is anyone else |
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| 13:02.40 | anwar_elmakrahy | anybody here ? |
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| 13:11.48 | |Kev| | !anyone | Chapaev |
| 13:11.49 | gsocbot | Chapaev: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. Try searching for the org's contact info or even just try a /join #<mentoring org here> |
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| 13:48.31 | anwaya | Hey could anyone please tell me where and how are we supposed to send our gsoc application..? I mean is there any email-id , specific subject format where it has to be sent? |
| 13:49.01 | d34th4ck3r_ | anwaya: google-melange.com |
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| 13:52.30 | anwaya | thanks.. |
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| 14:07.50 | sfb | !next |
| 14:07.51 | gsocbot | sfb: "next" is Apr 6 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. |
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| 14:09.23 | vijeen | hi, could one modifiy the application that was once submitted ? |
| 14:09.43 | gevaerts | !edit | vijeen |
| 14:09.43 | gsocbot | vijeen: "edit" is Students can edit proposals up until the application deadline. Mentors can allow students to edit proposals on a case-by-case basis after the deadline. Note that comments on proposals can _not_ be edited after submitting. |
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| 14:11.47 | vijeen | gevaerts , +gsocbot: thankyou |
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| 14:26.26 | denials | is "lhospo@gmail.com" still the right address to tell GSoC that you're giving a presentation about GSoC, per http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/WikiStart ? |
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| 14:27.21 | fsck_ | hello |
| 14:27.51 | fsck_ | i have a question: what are the sample code files you are supposed to submit to google during the gsoc? |
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| 14:28.46 | sfb | denials: I'm actually not sure since lh isn't with ospo.. Maybe check with carols or allman ? |
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| 14:29.27 | ChrisOelmueller | there's no samples to submit during the coding period. you need to upload all your gsoc work to a repository *after* the final evaluations |
| 14:29.59 | ChrisOelmueller | there's enough information on this process, but i recommend you don't worry about it right now and concentrate on writing a strong application instead :) |
| 14:30.30 | |Kev| | Am I being stupid? (Possible, especially as I'm non-US) CPT isn't an internship is it? |
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| 14:31.20 | sfb | CPT? |
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| 14:32.09 | |Kev| | Someone on list posted asking if GSoC was an internship and if Google would provide documents to say it was - I said (unofficially) GSoC wasn't an internship, and Carol replied saying they'd be happy to supply a CRT document. |
| 14:32.12 | denials | sfb: okay, I'll CC carols on the email and flag that lhospo@gmail.com came from the wiki - thanks! |
| 14:32.29 | |Kev| | *CPT |
| 14:33.41 | |Kev| | I'm wondering whether I've completely misunderstood everything and should apologise or not. |
| 14:34.07 | |Kev| | (i.e. whether Carol was contradicting me, or saying that if what he really wants is a CPT rather than an internship they can do that) |
| 14:34.14 | fsck_ | thank you :) |
| 14:35.24 | denials | fsck_: Individual organizations might have different requirements for their application process, though; so if the organization asks you for code samples (or a bug fix or a patch or whatever) and you want to work with that organization, do what they ask :) |
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| 14:36.05 | Rafael_Neri | hello! this is my first participation in gsoc. does anyone know any document explains the entire process? |
| 14:36.14 | gevaerts | !studentguide | Rafael_Neri |
| 14:36.14 | gsocbot | Rafael_Neri: "studentguide" is http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ |
| 14:36.17 | gevaerts | !faq | Rafael_Neri |
| 14:36.17 | gsocbot | Rafael_Neri: "faq" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs |
| 14:36.23 | flaushy | |Kev|: cpt? |
| 14:36.36 | |Kev| | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curricular_Practical_Training |
| 14:36.43 | ofan_ | |Kev|: CPT could be used for internship and any other paid job/program, I think. |
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| 14:37.08 | flaushy | ah okie thx |
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| 14:37.19 | |Kev| | OK, so by that my response was correct but unhelpful. Thanks. |
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| 14:38.04 | gevaerts | |Kev|: that's always the best sort of response :) |
| 14:38.08 | Rafael_Neri | thanks gsocbot and gevaerts. |
| 14:39.40 | kTwitch | or rather, just thank gevaerts. lol |
| 14:40.00 | gevaerts | gsocbot doesn't mind being thanked :) |
| 14:41.14 | tzbob | Do I get a mail from melange when my proposal has comments or should I check it regularly? |
| 14:41.57 | |Kev| | tzbob: I *think* you get a mail, but I wouldn't necessarily rely on it. |
| 14:42.20 | gevaerts | In previous years you didn't get mail by default |
| 14:42.31 | gevaerts | There's probably a setting somewhere to enable notifications |
| 14:43.16 | gevaerts | It probably makes sense to check regularly regardless of that. Things can go wrong, and spam filters aren't perfect |
| 14:43.20 | denials | hey python org: your org's image url = http://soc.python.org/atom.xml which doesn't look too pretty :) |
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| 14:43.39 | denials | will jump onto gsoc-python |
| 14:43.53 | tzbob | will do gevaerts |
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| 14:47.54 | vytas | what is the main reason that students don't successfully complete their projects ? |
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| 14:50.17 | atermenji | hi, does anybody know how to format source code in html of Google melange proposal submission form? |
| 14:50.34 | gevaerts | vytas: one common reason seems to be underestimating gsoc and trying to have another full time job at the same time. Also, quite a lot of the failed students were failed because they basically vanished without a trace and the mentor couldn't contact them anymore |
| 14:50.56 | gevaerts | atermenji: do you really need source code there? |
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| 14:51.08 | atermenji | yep |
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| 14:51.33 | |Kev| | vytas: Another reason might be deciding not to listen to the mentor and implementing something different. |
| 14:51.42 | atermenji | gevaerts: there is a requirement to post code samples at my org |
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| 14:52.00 | |Kev| | I suspect they mean links to code samples, although I could be wrong. |
| 14:52.02 | |Kev| | I could easily be wrong. |
| 14:52.09 | gevaerts | atermenji: usually that means submitting patches to their patch tracker |
| 14:52.15 | |Kev| | Or that. |
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| 14:52.34 | vytas | thanks for good answers, i got the idea now. |
| 14:52.43 | atermenji | no guys, this exactly means code samples |
| 14:52.55 | atermenji | not patches, not github links |
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| 14:53.18 | |Kev| | atermenji: <pre> tag then, I guess. |
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| 14:53.48 | gevaerts | would hate to review proposals with in-line code samples |
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| 14:54.01 | |Kev| | gevaerts: Yes, it sounds horrible, but if an org wants to do it for some reason... |
| 14:54.03 | gevaerts | vytas: a student who does his best and keeps communicating properly is *very* unlikely to fail |
| 14:54.21 | gevaerts | |Kev|: I'd want to know which org so I can avoid them :) |
| 14:54.26 | denials | gevaerts++ |
| 14:54.48 | |Kev| | vytas: It's not about the code, often, too - but how you communicate and work. |
| 14:54.49 | _hsr | atermenji, use some online syntax highlighters and copy-paste the html generated |
| 14:54.59 | Crofton|work | on the other hand, having published code, say on github, that did something would be something I would include in the proposal |
| 14:55.08 | |Kev| | _hsr: I'm really not sure that's a good idea! |
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| 14:55.28 | atermenji | _hsr: thx, I'll try to |
| 14:55.41 | _hsr | well, as far as there's no JS involved, it's okay I guess |
| 14:55.56 | vytas | gevaerts, regarding the code sample, most of the orgs want to see your efforts at application form, so they ask next to proposal show your initial implementation or something like that |
| 14:56.02 | |Kev| | There very often is, though. And even if there isn't there's probably CSS involved. |
| 14:56.19 | denials | thinks "Maybe it's OWASP and they want you to demonstrate an exploit of melange..." :) |
| 14:56.35 | gevaerts | vytas: yes, so you link to it. A web page with inline code is really not a very good way to look at source |
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| 14:56.51 | vytas | gevaerts, true. [= |
| 14:56.58 | atermenji | my org used to accept two versions of proposal: one short enough and another one with a lot of info and code samples. The second was in .pdf but now they switched to online melange form |
| 14:56.59 | gevaerts | Of course, if the organisation insists, it's up to them... |
| 14:57.22 | _hsr | |Kev|, yeah, but in rich text editors, once you copy paste a formatted html, the coloring and intendation remail iirc |
| 14:57.31 | _hsr | *remain |
| 14:58.27 | |Kev| | _hsr: Given the number of people who have complained about copy/pasting into tinymce breaking everything and killing their pets, I'm not sure I'd trust it. |
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| 14:58.59 | atermenji | probably I should upload several source code files to dropbox or provide a link to my github account :) |
| 14:59.16 | _hsr | lol |
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| 15:00.31 | _hsr | well, if it is that much needed, I'd write some code to format the code to a tinymce one and submit it |
| 15:00.52 | _hsr | *script to |
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| 15:02.04 | _hsr | but then again, that would be me :p |
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| 15:02.30 | atermenji | I had to do copypasting in html to avoid tinymce |
| 15:02.47 | pokoko222 | about the student registration, what is "public name" and what is "user name"? |
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| 15:05.00 | pokoko222 | can they be same? |
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| 15:06.01 | kolyaflash | <pokoko222> I have the same. |
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| 15:06.31 | pokoko222 | kolyaflash: and what about Im network and Im handle |
| 15:06.39 | pokoko222 | what did you write there |
| 15:07.03 | atermenji | pokoko222: it is for example irc.freenode.net and your nick there |
| 15:07.13 | kolyaflash | <pokoko222>, nice question. Im handle - is your nickname |
| 15:07.22 | pokoko222 | for example I would have: irc.freenode.net and pokoko222 ? |
| 15:07.58 | schumaml | if you use irc, that network and that nick, yes |
| 15:08.11 | schumaml | and you obviously do |
| 15:08.25 | pokoko222 | schumaml: how did you know? :D |
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| 15:08.37 | pokoko222 | kiding ;) |
| 15:08.51 | pokoko222 | is it ok to leave it blank? |
| 15:09.05 | kolyaflash | It's optional. Yes |
| 15:09.26 | pokoko222 | I see that if two students are good for one spot things will be discussed here on gsoc |
| 15:09.37 | pokoko222 | so I guess it is better if I fill in the fields |
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| 15:10.17 | kolyaflash | undoubtedly |
| 15:10.23 | pokoko222 | oki doki |
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| 15:10.33 | pokoko222 | kolyaflash: did you write it like this irc:irc.freenode.net ? |
| 15:10.41 | pokoko222 | or without the first "irc:" |
| 15:10.50 | pokoko222 | just irc.freenode.net |
| 15:11.07 | kolyaflash | without. like in an example. |
| 15:11.21 | pokoko222 | actually in the example they have it like that |
| 15:11.27 | pokoko222 | with two "irc" |
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| 15:12.04 | kolyaflash | oh. So then with "irc", sorry. |
| 15:12.14 | pokoko222 | ok :) |
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| 15:14.04 | kblin | I use IRC urls for this |
| 15:14.19 | kblin | irc://irc.freenode.net/#gsoc |
| 15:14.42 | pokoko222 | kblin: but they want a network there not a specific channel |
| 15:15.03 | kblin | then leave out the channel? |
| 15:15.07 | kblin | it's a free text field |
| 15:15.18 | kblin | chillax :) |
| 15:15.34 | pokoko222 | also you use "//" and they don't |
| 15:15.43 | pokoko222 | in irc:irc.freenode.net |
| 15:15.44 | schumaml | kblin: I think the # does not belong there |
| 15:16.09 | schumaml | despite the fact that it works |
| 15:16.16 | kblin | schumaml: I don't know, I don't use irc clients my browser knows about, and my brain is a fault-tolerant parser |
| 15:16.56 | kblin | but that actually makes my point, it's not important to follow some strict rules for those fields |
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| 15:17.11 | kblin | most mentors are smart, they'll be able to figure it out |
| 15:17.51 | kblin | and if there's a nitpick mentor who doesn't select you for adding or not adding // in that field, chances are they'd be hell to work with anyway |
| 15:17.52 | |Kev| | Apart from me. |
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| 15:18.23 | kblin | so you'll actually better off not being micromanaged over the summer |
| 15:18.40 | pokoko222 | one "//" can kill you indeed :D |
| 15:18.53 | |Kev| | Well, they do have different meanings :) |
| 15:19.03 | |Kev| | One means to authenticate with the server :) |
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| 15:19.12 | platzhirsch | Bummer, I've wasted 1,5 day of trying to configure one of the projects I want to propose for, without any useful outcome yet, could have spent this time way better on other proposals :( |
| 15:19.22 | |Kev| | But yes, no-one is going to fail to parse irc.blah, irc:blah or irc://blah. |
| 15:19.47 | |Kev| | platzhirsch: This is useful feedback for you, is it not? |
| 15:20.05 | pokoko222 | platzhirsch: one day? hehe, I spent like 5 days before I finally compiled |
| 15:20.19 | platzhirsch | pokoko222: kudos |
| 15:20.35 | platzhirsch | I shut my mouth already, haha |
| 15:20.38 | schumaml | platzhirsch: did you ask someone from the project for advice? |
| 15:20.40 | pokoko222 | well their make config was bad for windows, on linux there were other issues |
| 15:20.42 | pokoko222 | it was nuts |
| 15:21.05 | platzhirsch | oh sure, I did.. these are IDE related problems, on the console everything works fine |
| 15:21.24 | platzhirsch | these IDE issues are not unknown, found some questions on stackoverflow about them, but nothing had helped :) |
| 15:21.40 | platzhirsch | its especially ugly if there are so many dependencies |
| 15:22.08 | denials | sounds like a potential project - "make config work for IDE x" :) |
| 15:22.24 | schumaml | well, if someone came to our org with IDE-related problems, I would tell them that our projects uses autotools and they'd be on their own when using anything else |
| 15:22.40 | pokoko222 | platzhirsch: it's a cruel world :D |
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| 15:22.52 | denials | schumaml: as would we, although our autotools could use a lot of improvement |
| 15:23.01 | platzhirsch | schumaml: I can fully understand that |
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| 15:23.23 | denials | depends on how interested the project is in supporting IDE-based development, some might be more than others |
| 15:23.40 | platzhirsch | well anyway, I am writing now finally my first proposal for another project, this bears more outcome |
| 15:23.50 | |Kev| | schumaml: Almost any IDE will do Makefile-based compilation just fine, so you never know, it might be worth listening to them. |
| 15:24.02 | |Kev| | It's not like us, where we use scons, and IDE support is likely to be hairy :) |
| 15:24.14 | schumaml | |Kev|: try Visual Studio |
| 15:24.21 | |Kev| | (Actually, it's not, you're just going to make a Makefile that says all:\t./scons |
| 15:24.28 | platzhirsch | barfs |
| 15:24.38 | |Kev| | schumaml: Well, yes, true. |
| 15:25.19 | schumaml | I guess Emacs would work fine |
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| 15:25.49 | |Kev| | schumaml: emacs, vim, eclipse, netbeans, whatever - I'd expect them all to work. |
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| 15:33.28 | abhifx | hi |
| 15:33.34 | smallsense | Anyone know the rough geographical breakdown for previous GSoC's? I'm assuming most students are from North America…? |
| 15:33.45 | abhifx | is there some late entry clause for gsoc |
| 15:33.57 | pokoko222 | what do I enter for "major subject" in the registration? I need to ask since english is not my first |
| 15:34.09 | pokoko222 | the field below school name |
| 15:34.21 | Al_Da_Best | smallsense: http://google-opensource.blogspot.co.uk/2011/05/google-summer-of-code-where-are.html |
| 15:34.29 | |Kev| | abhifx: This isn't really relevant, as submissions are still open. |
| 15:34.49 | |Kev| | pokoko222: The subject you're studying at university. |
| 15:35.25 | abhifx | |Kev|, really? faq says otherwise |
| 15:35.28 | kolyaflash | <pokoko222> in usa they have "major subject". I wrote my department title. |
| 15:35.45 | |Kev| | abhifx: I bet it doesn't. Where do you think it says applications have closed? |
| 15:37.08 | abhifx | |Kev|, i don't want join as a student. i am from MakeHuman and haven't submitted yet |
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| 15:37.28 | |Kev| | Oh. Yes, org applications ended long ago. I don't believe there's any scope for orgs that failed to apply. |
| 15:37.31 | kodaws | !timeline |
| 15:37.31 | gsocbot | kodaws: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2012 |
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| 15:38.36 | pokoko222 | |Kev|: I am not from USA, I guess I should write "computer science" for major subject? |
| 15:38.46 | |Kev| | pokoko222: If thats' what your degree is, yes. |
| 15:38.50 | pokoko222 | yep |
| 15:38.52 | |Kev| | If that's not what your degree is, no :) |
| 15:39.16 | pokoko222 | |Kev|: I guess I should not write nuclear physics then :D |
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| 15:40.02 | pokoko222 | |Kev|: my faculty is acutally called faculty of Informatics |
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| 15:40.11 | |Kev| | But what is the degree? |
| 15:40.17 | _eddie_ | hello |
| 15:40.26 | pokoko222 | software engineering it says in the diploma |Kev| |
| 15:40.36 | |Kev| | Then 'software engineering' would be the equivalent of your major. |
| 15:40.43 | pokoko222 | which is not computer science |
| 15:41.02 | pokoko222 | i should not try to play fancy and write computer science? because computer science is not same as software engineering :) |
| 15:41.18 | Al_Da_Best | It doesn't matter if it's not the same. Write down what you're doing. |
| 15:41.29 | _eddie_ | i'd like to participate in SoC this year and I'm very interested in the topic but I'd like a little help about choosing the project |
| 15:41.31 | |Kev| | If you're studying software engineering, then why on Earth would you want to put down something else? |
| 15:41.54 | pokoko222 | |Kev|: because computer science sounds better and is more respected than software engineering :D |
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| 15:42.08 | denials | Heck, English/Philosophy majors are welcome to apply, if their application is strong and they've demonstrated the necessary chops. |
| 15:42.22 | pokoko222 | haha really? |
| 15:42.27 | |Kev| | pokoko222: Your assertions have failed. |
| 15:42.29 | _eddie_ | yeah |
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| 15:42.49 | _eddie_ | so about the project |
| 15:43.02 | _eddie_ | does anybody have any suggestions |
| 15:43.15 | gevaerts | _eddie_: have you read the student guide? |
| 15:43.16 | denials | pokoko222: question 1 on faqs! |
| 15:43.27 | _eddie_ | gevaerts, i'm reading it :) |
| 15:43.30 | _eddie_ | right now |
| 15:43.33 | zylche | Q: What precisely is required in the recommendation letter from the University? |
| 15:43.34 | smallsense | _eddie_ http://www.booki.cc/gsocstudentguide/choosing-an-organization/ |
| 15:44.08 | _eddie_ | smallsense, gevaerts, ok thnx |
| 15:44.41 | |Kev| | zylche: There is no recommendation letter. All that's needed is for you to be able to supply proof that you're enrolled etc. if asked by Google. |
| 15:44.42 | schumaml | aren't software engineers those who actually know how to make software, and all that computer scientists do is dumbed down math? |
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| 15:44.48 | gevaerts | Apart from that, use tag filtering on the organisation list to find stuff |
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| 15:54.38 | tj64 | Hi, one question: is there an upper age limit for students participating in the GSoC 2012? |
| 15:54.47 | gevaerts | no |
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| 15:55.37 | |Kev| | MAX_INT? |
| 15:56.21 | gevaerts | |Kev|: given that I can't see a good reason for allowing negative ages, that seems like an arbitrary restriction to me :) |
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| 15:56.45 | tj64 | I see ""Birth date*format YYYY-MM-DD, required for determining program eligibility" in the registration form. |
| 15:56.55 | |Kev| | tj64: There is a lower bound. |
| 15:56.58 | gevaerts | There is a *minimum* age |
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| 15:57.27 | tj64 | lower bound is no problem for me ;) |
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| 15:57.48 | tj64 | ok, thanks. |
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| 15:57.57 | gevaerts | will participate in gsoc as a student when he's retired :) |
| 15:58.12 | |Kev| | Going to do another degree when you retire? |
| 15:58.43 | tj64 | good idea ! |
| 15:58.44 | gevaerts | Not really. Just make sure the paperwork is good enough for gsoc. Nobody says you have to actually study for a degree :) |
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| 15:59.28 | gevaerts | Of course this assumes gsoc will still be going on 25 to 30 years from now |
| 16:00.30 | |Kev| | One can hope :) |
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| 16:00.52 | pokoko222 | where should I upload the thumbnail image for the registration? |
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| 16:01.32 | pokoko222 | is a postimage.org link ok? |
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| 16:19.35 | pokoko222 | guys? |
| 16:20.07 | kolyaflash | <pokoko222> I don't do it. Actually I have many accounts in social networks i.e. g+ |
| 16:21.07 | pokoko222 | it is optional anyways right? |
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| 16:30.56 | pokoko222 | what do I write about school name? I am at a university that has many faculties |
| 16:31.02 | pokoko222 | i am in the faculty of informatics |
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| 16:31.27 | pokoko222 | should I just write university name or say something like "Faculty of Informatics at University Name" ? |
| 16:31.30 | X-tonic | What is the max number of project proposals? |
| 16:31.37 | Al_Da_Best | 20 |
| 16:31.44 | ChrisOelmueller | i'm a bit curious how you plan to do months of autonomous coding if this form drives you crazy already |
| 16:32.03 | X-tonic | Al_Da_Best: That would be 20 orgs or 20 proposals? |
| 16:32.14 | |Kev| | X-tonic: The maximum effective number of proposals is around two or three. |
| 16:32.15 | pokoko222 | ChrisOelmueller: well it is not obvious |
| 16:32.19 | Al_Da_Best | 20 proposals, can all be to one org, or to any |
| 16:32.21 | pokoko222 | i just wanna make sure |
| 16:32.41 | |Kev| | X-tonic: The maximum number of proposals the system will accept is 20 across all orgs. If you hit this, you're pretty much guaranteed not to have any good proposals. |
| 16:32.58 | ChrisOelmueller | yeah my point is if you "just want to make sure" everything before you actually try it, you're not achieving much |
| 16:33.19 | Al_Da_Best | pokoko222, it's pretty clear to me. "Please enter the full name of your school, college or university in this field." Doesn't mention faculties |
| 16:33.48 | pokoko222 | ok guys |
| 16:33.54 | pokoko222 | sorry I guess I am panicking ... |
| 16:34.40 | X-tonic | |Kev|: I'll keep that in mind, but the issue is that the orgs I am planning to apply to are possibly the ones which will have lesser slots. So that makes me wonder if I should apply to a slightly larger number, just to be safe. |
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| 16:35.51 | X-tonic | Can an org see which other orgs I have applied too? |
| 16:36.08 | |Kev| | Under some circumstances. |
| 16:36.14 | |Kev| | But not typically. |
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| 16:36.53 | |Kev| | It's worth telling orgs when you apply multiple places, though, as it makes planning for what might happen if you get accepted somewhere else easier. |
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| 16:38.00 | X-tonic | hm... k.. |
| 16:38.09 | pokoko222 | is having a blog important? |
| 16:38.27 | JordiGH | pokoko222: Sometimes. Some orgs prefer if you blog your progress. |
| 16:38.28 | |Kev| | Not at this stage. |
| 16:38.30 | pokoko222 | can I just say I have done this and that project and bla bla... but I guess it will be much stronger application If i provide code examples on the blog |
| 16:38.43 | pokoko222 | JordiGH: no I meant for now |
| 16:38.50 | pokoko222 | of course I will have blog if accepted ... |
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| 16:39.15 | JordiGH | pokoko222: I wouldn't focus on blogging right away, but it can't hurt if you do. |
| 16:39.38 | pokoko222 | I have a good commit for the project 2000 lines and the mentor liked it a lot, just a link to that commit is worth it more than any blog i guess |
| 16:39.45 | pokoko222 | i do have good projects i could talk though... |
| 16:40.10 | pokoko222 | i have done ai soccer simulation for example, game engine... |
| 16:40.16 | pokoko222 | other cool stuff too |
| 16:41.47 | pokoko222 | guys? |
| 16:42.15 | |Kev| | You asked a question, you got answers. What else are you looking for? |
| 16:42.47 | pokoko222 | I did not really :) |
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| 16:43.05 | pokoko222 | it will increase my chances I guess If i talk about what I have done |
| 16:43.11 | Al_Da_Best | It's your call. |
| 16:43.28 | pokoko222 | will do so then |
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| 16:47.56 | pokoko222 | it is the mentor that will check out your blog right? |
| 16:48.04 | pokoko222 | google guys won't bother with it? |
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| 16:55.22 | pokoko222 | oops having problems with the address |
| 16:55.46 | pokoko222 | my address is StreetName 3/4 |
| 16:55.53 | pokoko222 | and the form does not accept / |
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| 16:55.57 | pokoko222 | what now? |
| 16:56.24 | kolyaflash | pokoko222, how many hours do you fill out a form? |
| 16:56.36 | pokoko222 | 1 so far :) |
| 16:56.41 | pokoko222 | well i must be careful |
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| 16:56.55 | pokoko222 | how did you handle the / issue? |
| 16:57.45 | kolyaflash | I had the same problem with the address and I just wrote all the words. |
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| 16:58.25 | pokoko222 | this scared me |
| 16:58.27 | pokoko222 | "If we send an addresses with an invalid character to the Google shipping department they'll reject it." |
| 16:58.29 | kolyaflash | The main thing - is the zip code. On the other postmen will understand. |
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| 16:59.08 | kolyaflash | actually, i'm scared too. |
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| 16:59.23 | pokoko222 | kolyaflash: what do you mean all the words? for example my address is streetName 3/4 where 3 is number of building and 4 for apartment |
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| 16:59.46 | pokoko222 | i will kill myself if the t-shirt does not arrive :D |
| 17:00.09 | Al_Da_Best | Pokoko222 look at the description for address 2. "2nd address line usually used for apartment numbers" |
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| 17:00.15 | kolyaflash | i wrote "street %Something-street% apartment %1%" |
| 17:00.33 | kolyaflash | yes. on second line. |
| 17:00.45 | pokoko222 | Al_Da_Best: I saw that but it is wierd, so I just write the apartment number there? |
| 17:00.56 | Al_Da_Best | Looks like it to me. |
| 17:01.18 | pokoko222 | so in the first address i would have streetName 3 and then in the second line i would just have 4? |
| 17:01.23 | pokoko222 | 3 is number of building |
| 17:01.26 | pokoko222 | 4 is apartment |
| 17:01.30 | Al_Da_Best | Yes |
| 17:01.59 | pokoko222 | another thing I was recommended just now is, I could write "forward slash" instead of / |
| 17:02.05 | kolyaflash | there is 4 lines? not 2? |
| 17:02.17 | pokoko222 | kolyaflash: no 4 is the apartment number :) |
| 17:02.23 | kolyaflash | ok |
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| 17:03.37 | pokoko222 | i am finally registered wohoo :D |
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| 17:07.18 | kolyaflash | pokoko222 Congratulations. |
| 17:08.52 | pokoko222 | I feel so amazing :D |
| 17:08.58 | kolyaflash | ;) |
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| 17:09.12 | |Kev| | You certainly sit outside the expected norms. |
| 17:09.29 | pokoko222 | I coded 2000 lines c++ in few days and I could not fill a dumb form for an hour, you try to explain that :D |
| 17:09.32 | pokoko222 | |Kev|: haha |
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| 17:12.00 | kolyaflash | pokoko222, So then you press the apply button right now? |
| 17:12.18 | pokoko222 | nope will take a day to fill in that one :D |
| 17:12.28 | kolyaflash | i see |
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| 17:12.51 | pokoko222 | but I already got the code part done, so ... |
| 17:12.51 | |Kev| | Given the registration form is easy and teh application form is hard, I doubt you have sufficient time left to complete it. |
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| 17:13.02 | pokoko222 | |Kev|: hehe possible :D |
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| 17:38.03 | JordiGH | Did the mysterious 180th org finally show up? |
| 17:38.37 | gevaerts | yes |
| 17:38.52 | |Kev| | But we don't know who it is :( |
| 17:39.18 | gevaerts | Someone said he had a cvs export from before |
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| 18:02.12 | downey | !logs |
| 18:02.13 | gsocbot | downey: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
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| 18:03.19 | hiddenpearls | I want carols to change the GSoC infosession date at calendar |
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| 18:04.28 | dodgerblue | hey everybody :) |
| 18:04.37 | dodgerblue | is anyone here a debian-apt fan? |
| 18:04.51 | |Kev| | !polls |
| 18:04.52 | gsocbot | |Kev|: "polls" is Please don't use #gsoc to do polls. |
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| 18:05.17 | marchael | I'm pacman-Syu fan |
| 18:05.27 | dodgerblue | i was just wondering if the mentor is around |
| 18:05.33 | |Kev| | !anyone |
| 18:05.33 | gsocbot | |Kev|: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. Try searching for the org's contact info or even just try a /join #<mentoring org here> |
| 18:05.47 | JordiGH | dodgerblue: Try #debian-devel in OFTC. |
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| 18:05.59 | dodgerblue | JordiGH, what is OFTC? |
| 18:06.04 | gevaerts | debian has a rather good set of contact instructions on their ideas page |
| 18:06.24 | JordiGH | dodgerblue: /server irc.oftc.net |
| 18:06.38 | dodgerblue | JordiGH, thanks a lot ;) |
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| 18:10.38 | sfb | JordiGH: Hey - so Octave didn't make it in this year? |
| 18:10.51 | JordiGH | sfb: Not independently. We're going through GNU. |
| 18:11.00 | sfb | Oh good, that was what I was going to ask next. (= |
| 18:11.10 | JordiGH | But we have some really good proposals... |
| 18:11.14 | sfb | So there might be a chance we meet again at the Mentor Summit? |
| 18:11.15 | JordiGH | I wish we could accept three... |
| 18:11.36 | JordiGH | sfb: Maybe, yes. But if someone else wants to go, perhaps they should go in my place. |
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| 18:14.31 | denials | wow, just gave a presentation to 1st year Comp Sci students on GSoC and knew things were going to be challenging when 3 people put up their hands to indicate that they "Had some idea about what open source is" |
| 18:15.10 | Lennie | denials, was that at a uni? |
| 18:15.11 | gevaerts | Did they have a correct idea? |
| 18:15.25 | |Kev| | gevaerts: Ketchup. |
| 18:15.30 | denials | agreed with the prof in the room to set up some informal "learn useful, important things" sessions during the year next year |
| 18:15.37 | denials | Lennie: indeed, my uni |
| 18:15.45 | ChrisOelmueller | this is today's curriculum? :/ |
| 18:16.20 | Lennie | Well it's only 1st years, which in my uni meant that 50% of people will be gone by the end of the year :P |
| 18:16.24 | JordiGH | denials: Y'know, I wish universities taught things like how to use a VCS, a build system, and mailing lists. |
| 18:16.25 | Lennie | And another 25% after that ^^ |
| 18:16.33 | denials | useful, important things will include IRC, version control systems, builds ... yes |
| 18:16.35 | Lennie | JordiGH, mine did! |
| 18:16.37 | |Kev| | JordiGH: Some do. |
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| 18:16.44 | JordiGH | denials: Also, how to read other people's code. Nobody teaches you how to read other people's code and how to fix it. |
| 18:16.47 | Lennie | not mailing lists though |
| 18:16.54 | Lennie | but "proper" version control yes :P |
| 18:16.58 | Lennie | Not dropbox :D |
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| 18:17.49 | weltall | nice dropbox revision control! |
| 18:18.07 | JordiGH | Even dropbox is better than foo.c foo.c.orig foo.c.20100101 foo.c~ foo.c.USETHISONE |
| 18:18.14 | weltall | XD |
| 18:18.29 | weltall | yeah but it deletes old copies after a while :D |
| 18:18.33 | denials | Realistically, we're hoping that today's presentation will get the 1st years thinking about & working towards GSoC 2013; still, I had some hope for today's youth :) |
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| 18:29.42 | NhanTDN | Hello guys |
| 18:29.59 | kolyaflash | NhanTDN, hi! |
| 18:30.03 | NhanTDN | I have a question to ask |
| 18:30.46 | downey | NhanTDN: What is it? |
| 18:30.53 | NhanTDN | After I registered for the program, can I change my contact information later? |
| 18:31.25 | kolyaflash | NhanTDN, I think yes. The form in gsoc in editable. |
| 18:31.36 | Gentlecat | yes it is |
| 18:31.48 | kolyaflash | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/profile/google/gsoc2012 |
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| 18:32.40 | NhanTDN | Thank you, this is the first time of me. |
| 18:33.00 | kolyaflash | NhanTDN, you'r welcome! |
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| 18:49.39 | pokoko222 | how should we fill in the application template, should we leave the text that is already there? |
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| 18:50.10 | pokoko222 | For example "School, major area of study, year:" Should I leave that text and append to it, or I should replace it with my info |
| 18:50.11 | kolyaflash | pokoko222, i don't know, man. |
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| 18:51.02 | Michitux | pokoko222: depends on if it makes sense, on your personal taste, what the org likes, ... |
| 18:51.13 | pokoko222 | I will just ask them I guess |
| 18:51.32 | pokoko222 | it makes sense to leave it though, because it is more organized |
| 18:51.41 | Michitux | if that are just some short captions I would leave them |
| 18:52.05 | pokoko222 | there are whole paragraphs too :) |
| 18:52.28 | Michitux | well, then it might make sense to either mark them somehow or remove them I think |
| 18:52.46 | pokoko222 | would it be ok to ask about this on mailing list? |
| 18:52.53 | pokoko222 | i know it is dumb but... |
| 18:53.06 | pokoko222 | nothing is said about it, how could you know |
| 18:53.15 | JordiGH | denials: Would you utter the phrase "free as in freedom" to your students too? |
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| 18:54.04 | Michitux | pokoko222: you could also simply submit it and then see what they say, if they have a strong preference they might tell you if they don't like what you did |
| 18:54.21 | Michitux | and it might also be that it doesn't matter |
| 18:54.33 | denials | JordiGH: I didn't this time around - but dadgummit I will in the future |
| 18:54.49 | JordiGH | :D |
| 18:54.54 | pokoko222 | Michitux: i will just ask on mail list |
| 18:54.57 | pokoko222 | i want it to be perfect |
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| 18:55.20 | gevaerts | pokoko222: someone told me recently that as long as you submit 2000 lines of C++ with it, the actual application is irrelevant |
| 18:55.39 | pokoko222 | gevaerts: who is that fool :D |
| 18:55.49 | gevaerts | I can't remember now! |
| 18:55.51 | Michitux | denials: if you have some influence there you might suggest to create a course where you need to contribute something to an opensource project (there are universities which have that) |
| 18:56.01 | pokoko222 | gevaerts: do me a favour and slap him when you see him |
| 18:56.07 | gevaerts | I will! |
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| 18:56.47 | pokoko222 | gevaerts: anyways I will spend all day tomorrow going through past projects and making a blog talking about them |
| 18:56.52 | pokoko222 | I will post link to that with my app |
| 18:56.55 | pokoko222 | what you think? |
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| 19:04.24 | denials | Michitux: good idea; I'm working with one of the new faculty members who gets it. limited resources and all that, but one possibility is thesis / capstone projects (although that's not until 4th year, yeesh). |
| 19:04.46 | denials | I've been lurking on TOS list for a few years now too |
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| 19:09.51 | aried3r | Can students only modify their proposal during the application phase or can orgs allow them to modify them during feedback/review phase? |
| 19:10.49 | SukhE | aried3r: Students can modify/ update their proposal during this phase but not so during the review phase. They can only add comments then. |
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| 19:16.37 | aried3r | So we cannot even unlock it for them? |
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| 19:20.19 | Pat | Hi |
| 19:21.18 | JordiGH | It's Pat! |
| 19:21.50 | Michitux | aried3r: last year it was possible to allow that |
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| 19:24.32 | aried3r | Yeah, I remember. I hope this is the case this year too. |
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| 19:38.44 | downey | Hi, Pat |
| 19:39.21 | downey | brews the tea |
| 19:41.07 | atermenji | ар |
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| 20:03.00 | cafarm | does carols come in here on a regular basis? |
| 20:03.14 | meflin | yes |
| 20:03.59 | cafarm | is her screen name carols? I keep missing her. |
| 20:04.08 | downey | cafarm: Yes. |
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| 20:06.44 | |Kev| | A frequent basis, at least. |
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| 20:22.51 | DesireJM | hi |
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| 20:24.14 | kolyaflash | DesireJM, hi |
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| 20:24.55 | DesireJM | it is posible, to accept a gsoc proposal, to work on an integration poroject, which integrates a paid (freemium) service to an opensource project? |
| 20:26.22 | Catfish_Man | DesireJM: "paid" and "open source" aren't inherently in conflict, but there are a lot of potentially tricky issues there |
| 20:26.39 | Catfish_Man | I would assume that if the mentoring organization is ok with it, google probably is too, but I don't speak for them |
| 20:27.02 | meflin | as long as the code meets the licensing requirements |
| 20:27.02 | DesireJM | I have a drupal module, witch can create mailchimp campaings from drupal node-s (http://drupal.org/project/mcc) |
| 20:28.25 | DesireJM | and I wolud to improve its functionaliti, and submit a gsoc proposal for it |
| 20:28.49 | DesireJM | is there any chance to this proposal will be accepted? |
| 20:29.13 | meflin | that depends on the org |
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| 20:29.37 | DesireJM | meflin ok, i'll ask it for them |
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| 20:32.45 | strohel | Hmm, if I enter <a href="something">title</a> into proposal HTML entry, it turns to <a href="something"></a>title when I click "Update"; is this known/is there a workaround? |
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| 21:11.07 | pokoko222 | I am working on my blog to present some old projects... Do I have to provide ALL the code for a project? |
| 21:11.20 | pokoko222 | for example I have a game, can I just talk about some code snippets? |
| 21:11.43 | meflin | you can just do snippets |
| 21:11.53 | meflin | but why not put the whole code out and share? |
| 21:12.19 | pokoko222 | yeah you get more points like that |
| 21:12.29 | pokoko222 | if you have a snippet, well you might have pulled it from somewhere |
| 21:12.52 | meflin | letting code out in the while in whole has other benefits |
| 21:12.59 | pokoko222 | such as |
| 21:13.01 | meflin | like perhaps someone will take your old game and make something with it |
| 21:13.04 | _hsr | pokoko222, a good idea would be to git it and share the repo |
| 21:13.24 | pokoko222 | _hsr: but I would have to do that for like 5 projects :( |
| 21:13.32 | meflin | so? |
| 21:13.41 | ChrisOelmueller | i'm not sure this observation belongs in here, but you seem to only care about gsoc and not about open source |
| 21:13.51 | _hsr | it's very simple procedure imo |
| 21:13.56 | pokoko222 | plus some of them are done like a year ago, I won't be able even to compile them now I guess... Will have to check libraries and stuff |
| 21:14.11 | _hsr | why would you want to compile? |
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| 21:14.26 | pokoko222 | _hsr: heh ok I guess it would be fine for them just to see some code |
| 21:14.30 | _hsr | its the source code people want |
| 21:14.44 | meflin | old code that inspires someone else to moderize it is a good thing :) |
| 21:14.57 | pokoko222 | well I did a game engine in C++ a year ago and I have the code and can explain it but will take me time to compile that monster |
| 21:15.12 | ChrisOelmueller | Google Summer of Binaries |
| 21:15.14 | meflin | why would you need to compile it? |
| 21:15.15 | pokoko222 | well does not the mentor expect to get a code he could compile and try? |
| 21:15.18 | ChrisOelmueller | not a thing |
| 21:15.28 | _hsr | pokoko222, like I said, git it and explain each module in your commits |
| 21:15.42 | meflin | just say its old ... no idea if it still works |
| 21:16.12 | gevaerts | pokoko222: you should release code because you want to release code, not because you think it might impress people |
| 21:16.29 | _hsr | pokoko222, when they hear c++, old they will never go near gcc |
| 21:16.36 | _hsr | :p |
| 21:16.42 | pokoko222 | _hsr: hahaha you are right :D |
| 21:17.04 | pokoko222 | so whenever I want to scare them I will mention c++ |
| 21:17.05 | _hsr | but I reccomend you release the code to public |
| 21:17.16 | _hsr | pokoko222, not in that sense |
| 21:17.23 | _hsr | I was kidding... |
| 21:17.27 | pokoko222 | me too |
| 21:17.32 | gevaerts | Remember to think about the license to use |
| 21:17.55 | pokoko222 | it wont be bad to ask on mailing list about this too |
| 21:18.01 | pokoko222 | how they want us to send old projects |
| 21:18.19 | pokoko222 | I will have them explained on blog, but I am talking about the code |
| 21:18.19 | gevaerts | Why would this mailing list care about how you handle unrelated projects? |
| 21:18.33 | _hsr | ^ +1 |
| 21:18.34 | pokoko222 | because they will review that? |
| 21:18.52 | _hsr | is it related to your current project? |
| 21:19.11 | pokoko222 | well yes all the projects I will talk about are related to what I will apply for |
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| 21:20.10 | flaushy | fascinating :) |
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| 21:20.24 | _hsr | then probably few lines of code, I'd say you refer the main parts of your program |
| 21:20.46 | _hsr | guessing it has an api, explain it's features and link the source code |
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| 21:21.00 | hvq | hi, how many working day in a week when we join GSoC? |
| 21:21.13 | pokoko222 | hvq all day and night no sleep no eat |
| 21:21.15 | _hsr | usually it's 5 |
| 21:21.24 | hvq | oh ok ok |
| 21:21.28 | _hsr | o.O |
| 21:21.33 | hvq | pokoko222: did you know sleeping is optional :D |
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| 21:21.38 | gevaerts | hvq: it's supposed to be a full-time job |
| 21:21.42 | _hsr | hvq, lol sorry, it was ajoke |
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| 21:22.14 | hvq | so should be 5 working days ;) |
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| 21:22.22 | meflin | i dont care how many hours your work as long as you over-deliver every week :D |
| 21:22.31 | pokoko222 | hahaha |
| 21:22.31 | hvq | lol :@) |
| 21:22.58 | pokoko222 | I heard a guy saying he worked two hours per day for last year gsoc |
| 21:23.05 | pokoko222 | maybe he was too good or something |
| 21:23.12 | hvq | did he fail? =)) |
| 21:23.12 | _hsr | two hours ? |
| 21:23.14 | alphajuno | I would like to apply this year, are there any old proposals I can use as a starting point? |
| 21:23.15 | hvq | joking lol |
| 21:23.28 | _hsr | that's the amount of sleep I take |
| 21:23.33 | ChrisOelmueller | yes, two hours per day can be more than enough |
| 21:23.34 | pokoko222 | yeah but he had lots of experience and his point was ... I dont care how much you work as long as you do the job |
| 21:23.42 | meflin | alphajuno: why not look at org's current idea lists |
| 21:23.43 | hvq | _hsr: are you superman? |
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| 21:23.45 | MatthewWilkes | pokoko222: Probably the mentoring org thought he was bad and were trying to help him improve, I doubt he was being honest with them about the time he was putting in |
| 21:23.50 | _hsr | I wish |
| 21:24.33 | hvq | 5am here :) |
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| 21:24.53 | pokoko222 | _hsr: so about the old projects thing... Can I just explain them on the blog and put a source rar file? |
| 21:24.56 | hvq | I go sleep, see you guys again |
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| 21:25.15 | meflin | pokoko222: sure |
| 21:25.18 | pokoko222 | hvq dream google summer of code t-shirts |
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| 21:25.35 | meflin | oh man |
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| 21:26.12 | meflin | I just realized that since I'm last in line for the sumet that I dont get that shirt |
| 21:26.15 | pokoko222 | meflin: I mean my point is I am new to git, I would waste time with it... why not just put a rar file on the blog |
| 21:26.27 | meflin | pokoko222: sure why not :) |
| 21:26.31 | _hsr | pokoko222, the proper way to do it would be to git it |
| 21:26.31 | pokoko222 | oki doki |
| 21:26.39 | pokoko222 | ah I knew he will say that |
| 21:26.41 | meflin | not all projects use git |
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| 21:26.56 | ChrisOelmueller | where by "waste time" you mean "invest time into learning version control with git" |
| 21:26.56 | pokoko222 | but even this org has the source in rar on their site if you want it |
| 21:27.06 | pokoko222 | ChrisOelmueller: you sound like Yoda |
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| 21:27.29 | meflin | if the project you are interested in uses git .. its worth the time to learn |
| 21:27.39 | pokoko222 | I did learn enough to post the patch actually |
| 21:27.41 | gevaerts | pokoko222: why a *rar* file? Why not use something people actually commonly use? |
| 21:27.43 | pokoko222 | and got it accepted |
| 21:27.57 | meflin | then I would git them |
| 21:27.58 | pokoko222 | but there wont be anything special on github anyways |
| 21:28.04 | _hsr | git init > git remote add origin blabla > git commit -m 'msg' > git push -u origin master |
| 21:28.05 | pokoko222 | it is not like you will be able to see commit history |
| 21:28.10 | _hsr | seems easy to me |
| 21:28.17 | meflin | its more about your learning then anything else |
| 21:28.21 | pokoko222 | yes i know but my point is |
| 21:28.26 | pokoko222 | it wont be history of commits |
| 21:28.43 | pokoko222 | so what is the difference between that and a rar |
| 21:29.02 | _hsr | pokoko222, if you are worried about your code being stolen, trust me, that is why we have licenses |
| 21:29.05 | meflin | what you learn by putting up your own repo's |
| 21:29.21 | pokoko222 | _hsr: nope partially yes there is that worry |
| 21:29.30 | pokoko222 | and going through the hustle of worrying for 5 projects |
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| 21:30.01 | _hsr | well, imho your code, your choice to be open source or closed |
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| 21:30.26 | meflin | also you time _may_ be better spent working with your org |
| 21:30.44 | pokoko222 | meflin: yes my point too |
| 21:31.08 | gevaerts | wonders if any open source project has ever released source code in rar files |
| 21:31.21 | meflin | gevaerts: i've seen a few |
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| 21:33.37 | pokoko222 | I will spent at least two days setting up the projects, worrying about license and stuff... |
| 21:33.40 | pokoko222 | too much too much |
| 21:33.47 | pokoko222 | i would rather code some more for the org |
| 21:33.56 | meflin | so code |
| 21:34.07 | meflin | never can have to much good code |
| 21:34.12 | pokoko222 | i did but i can code more |
| 21:34.14 | pokoko222 | yes |
| 21:34.25 | pokoko222 | ok problem solved will put them in rars |
| 21:34.29 | flaushy | release your code if you feel it is right. Dont just do it GSoC :) |
| 21:34.34 | pokoko222 | and explain main things in the blog |
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| 21:35.19 | pokoko222 | solution: explanations on blog + rar files for source |
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| 21:35.26 | _hsr | why rar, use a tarball or zip |
| 21:35.31 | pokoko222 | celebration guys? |
| 21:35.31 | schumaml | if someone sent me a mail with a rar file, I'd just delete that :) |
| 21:35.38 | pokoko222 | schumaml: oh lord :) |
| 21:35.38 | gevaerts | too |
| 21:35.58 | gevaerts | tar.gz, tar.bz2, 7z, or zip. Rar need not apply |
| 21:36.06 | gevaerts | tar.Z is allowable for old stuff :) |
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| 21:36.25 | pokoko222 | schumaml: yeah what about zip, you delete those too? :D |
| 21:36.32 | schumaml | zip has native support on all major platforms nowadays |
| 21:36.41 | gevaerts | tar.xz would be ok too |
| 21:36.45 | _hsr | pokoko222, and by the way, if your copy of winrar is not registered, technically, you can' release the code :p |
| 21:36.49 | _hsr | can't |
| 21:36.51 | kolyaflash | zip more normal. |
| 21:37.18 | pokoko222 | tar.gz or zip yeah |
| 21:37.51 | jacktrick | why not both? |
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| 21:38.13 | pokoko222 | ok let's have them both then :D |
| 21:38.16 | pokoko222 | lol |
| 21:38.37 | pokoko222 | I will have two projects zip and two tar.gz to be fair |
| 21:38.50 | kolyaflash | shadeslayer, i don't think so. On many servers i have install unzip. |
| 21:39.56 | gevaerts | kolyaflash: on many servers you have to install *less*... |
| 21:40.03 | kolyaflash | shadeslayer, OS on mostly servers is centos or debian. |
| 21:40.06 | gevaerts | Default server installs aren't really a reference |
| 21:40.19 | gevaerts | Also, I believe you're talking to the wrong person :) |
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| 21:42.59 | schumaml | 'im pretty sure that if we started to ship releases in rar files, the protests would be as loud as when we tried to use youtube videos on our homepage |
| 21:44.29 | schumaml | those happened because Free software shouldn't use non-free infrastructure like Flash for promotion |
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| 21:45.18 | _hsr | apparently, youtube uses html5 video now, on chrome |
| 21:45.30 | _hsr | at least for me |
| 21:45.54 | ofan | there are a lot non-free drivers in linux in fact |
| 21:46.50 | qballer | A small question, I know this might come in a later date. When do I need to submit stuff like TAX forms and stuff. I'm guessing only if (when? , crossing fingers) I'm accepted. |
| 21:47.07 | ojwb | _hsr: not for all videos apparently, though I've yet to try to watch one which didn't work |
| 21:47.22 | ojwb | qballer: yes |
| 21:47.32 | MatthewWilkes | ojwb: I think it falls back to flash for adverts, though |
| 21:47.34 | _hsr | ojwb, try this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2eAq7ZZvxM |
| 21:47.44 | ojwb | MatthewWilkes: not on my browser |
| 21:47.58 | _hsr | it pretty much freeze every time btw |
| 21:47.59 | qballer | Thanks! A guy from the project just said he will be willing to mentor and it kind of got my excited :) |
| 21:48.00 | ojwb | (no flash plugin installed) |
| 21:48.10 | _hsr | aww |
| 21:48.17 | qballer | After reading my proposal. |
| 21:48.37 | MatthewWilkes | qballer: Don't get ahead of yourself! Most orgs have more people they'd be willing to mentor than student slots |
| 21:49.09 | MatthewWilkes | qballer: And it's not one person's decision, just keep up the good work and stay involved |
| 21:49.10 | gevaerts | ojwb: good to know I'm not the only one :) |
| 21:49.36 | qballer | I know, I know. But small steps and hopefully. . . |
| 21:49.47 | _hsr | ojwb, http://www.youtube.com/html5 |
| 21:50.00 | ojwb | _hsr: yes, I know |
| 21:50.01 | _hsr | there's alink at the bottom "join the html5 trial" |
| 21:50.06 | _hsr | oh I see |
| 21:50.10 | ojwb | yes, I joined it months ago |
| 21:50.33 | _hsr | I haven;t joined it, but many videos I recently watched played via html5 |
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| 21:52.54 | _hsr | this is by far the wierdest experience I've had, IE9 plays the video smoothly, no freeze upon skipping, but chrome freezes |
| 21:54.12 | jacktrick | Drop a coin. |
| 21:54.26 | jacktrick | If it lands on the ceiling then you'd better bail before Mr. Smith gets you. |
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| 21:56.25 | _hsr | lol |
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| 21:58.11 | jacktrick | I'm feeling pretty nostalgic going through my past java projects for my application and cleaning them up. |
| 21:58.29 | qballer | what the average an org gets? |
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| 22:00.09 | jacktrick | Is this not the most adorable GUI? XD http://i.imgur.com/qUsvD.png |
| 22:00.23 | jacktrick | qballer: number of applicants? |
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| 22:00.37 | qballer | nope, number of slots |
| 22:01.08 | MatthewWilkes | !stats |
| 22:01.08 | gsocbot | MatthewWilkes: I have 2 registered users with 2 registered hostmasks; 1 owner and 0 admins. |
| 22:01.13 | MatthewWilkes | !statistics |
| 22:01.13 | gsocbot | MatthewWilkes: "statistics" is see !numapps |
| 22:01.16 | MatthewWilkes | !numapps |
| 22:01.16 | gsocbot | MatthewWilkes: "numapps" is 180 of 406 potential mentoring orgs were accepted in 2012. In 2011, 175 of 417 orgs were accepted; 3731 potential students submitted 5474 proposals, of which 1116 were accepted. In 2010, 151 of 367 orgs were accepted; 3464 students submitted 5539 proposals, and 1026 were accepted. |
| 22:01.29 | gevaerts | qballer: five and a half to six, I'd say |
| 22:01.40 | jacktrick | 6.37142857 last year |
| 22:01.41 | qballer | I got 6.11 |
| 22:01.41 | MatthewWilkes | qballer: The mean is about 6, it seems |
| 22:01.47 | gevaerts | I'd also say that that's a fairly useless number |
| 22:01.52 | jacktrick | yeah |
| 22:01.54 | qballer | from my calcs |
| 22:01.57 | jacktrick | how do you cut them up? |
| 22:02.14 | jacktrick | presumably you'd want our brains and at least a hand |
| 22:02.30 | qballer | I assume 1110 accepted proposals. |
| 22:02.33 | qballer | 180 orgs |
| 22:02.57 | qballer | 1100* |
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| 22:04.47 | qballer | I also looked at open GSoC projects the org listed and the specific application has 20% 1.2 people and I know that there are two serious offers for that still these numbers are useless :) |
| 22:05.41 | qballer | no punctuation on that last line. Still I was playing with the numbers. |
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| 22:20.22 | pokoko222 | where can I see example blogs for gsoc applications? |
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| 22:20.38 | klocatelli | http://www.booki.cc/gsocstudentguide/proposal-example-2/ |
| 22:21.15 | klocatelli | or just google, lots of orgs have guides on writing your application |
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| 22:21.40 | klocatelli | but afaik it's strongly encouraged not to link to an off-site application so that explains why very few individual applications ca |
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| 22:22.51 | pokoko222 | off-site application? |
| 22:23.18 | pokoko222 | actually I was looking for blogs where a person talks about personal projects |
| 22:23.23 | pokoko222 | not proposals |
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| 22:23.38 | klocatelli | oh well you said application so... |
| 22:23.49 | klocatelli | I don't know of any off the top of my head, sorry |
| 22:23.53 | pokoko222 | sorry my fault :) |
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| 22:24.15 | pokoko222 | I am writing about old projects and i will provide link to that blog in the application so... |
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| 22:30.16 | ojwb | pokoko222: etherboot have some good student journals, which sound like what you're after - e.g.: http://etherboot.org/wiki/soc/2008/mdeck/journal/start |
| 22:30.19 | ojwb | darn |
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| 22:43.04 | Michitux | ojwb: and yet another project with documentation under a non-free (as non-commercial) license :( and it might even be our (dokuwiki) fault as it was the default license for new wikis some time ago - for our own site we got rid of that nc last spring... |
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| 22:45.00 | ojwb | Michitux: i'm not connected to etherboot, you'd do better to tell them directly |
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| 22:53.34 | Michitux | ojwb: yeah, maybe I will point them to the documentation of what we did in order to give them some hints on how to do the change - but it mostly matters when you want to include documentation in free software distributions like debian or work on the documentation at free software events where they only allow you to work on "free" content so I don't know if it matters for them at all |
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| 23:00.32 | pokoko222 | to what level of detail should I explain old projects guys? |
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| 23:00.55 | pokoko222 | working on a blog for old projects... will put that link in the gsoc app |
| 23:01.05 | pokoko222 | since the org wants to hear about your old projects |
| 23:01.16 | ThomasWaldmann | pokoko222: link + your involvement |
| 23:01.43 | pokoko222 | to what level of detail do i explain though, for example what do i say about my game engine |
| 23:01.47 | ojwb | though if you really want to know what a particular org wants, ask them not us |
| 23:01.48 | pokoko222 | do i go and explain some functions |
| 23:02.02 | ThomasWaldmann | show code |
| 23:02.06 | ThomasWaldmann | your code |
| 23:02.07 | ojwb | we can only say what we'd want, or give general answers |
| 23:02.28 | pokoko222 | ThomasWaldmann yes but I guess they expect you to talk about it too |
| 23:02.37 | pokoko222 | the reality is you can only explain few things |
| 23:02.47 | pokoko222 | I guess I should just pick some major parts of the code |
| 23:02.52 | ThomasWaldmann | i would not expect more than very few words, but yes, ask them |
| 23:03.01 | pokoko222 | ok thanks |
| 23:04.04 | kblin | Lennie: ping |
| 23:04.42 | kblin | why, in my dashboard, do "accepted" requests fall into the "needs action" filter? |
| 23:05.04 | ojwb | kblin: I think the filter remembers what you last used, but doesn't apply it by default |
| 23:05.07 | ojwb | if you change the filter |
| 23:05.13 | ojwb | then back to "needs action" |
| 23:05.16 | ojwb | then you don't see them |
| 23:05.24 | kblin | ah |
| 23:05.42 | kblin | that's a bit unintuitive, but thanks, that helps |
| 23:05.44 | ojwb | so there's a bug - i've not checked if it's been reported yet |
| 23:05.55 | ojwb | but at least you can work around it |
| 23:06.04 | kblin | yup |
| 23:06.18 | kblin | especially as it now should remember the right thing |
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| 23:09.06 | codeoclock | Hi :) Does anyone know anywhere in the UK to buy prebuilt computers without Windows installed? Preferably no OS, but any Linux flavor will do. |
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| 23:09.31 | kblin | !gsoc | codeoclock |
| 23:09.31 | gsocbot | codeoclock: "gsoc" is Google Summer of Code, not Generic Savoir-faire on Open-source Conundrums |
| 23:10.26 | Triskelios | try ##hardware |
| 23:10.36 | codeoclock | gsocbot: Sorry, It's just I was considering buying one for use in GSOC. Thanks Triskelios :) |
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| 23:38.20 | pokoko222 | something was mentioned about sending confirmation letter from the college to google |
| 23:38.32 | pokoko222 | to confirm we are students |
| 23:39.00 | pokoko222 | I dont see that talked about anywhere, the proposal is basically what the org wants to know about you... but nothing of that is mentioned |
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| 23:39.39 | kolyaflash | pokoko222, it will be necessary when you are approved. |
| 23:39.59 | pokoko222 | oh ok so I dont have to worry about it now then |
| 23:40.05 | kolyaflash | нуы |
| 23:40.06 | kolyaflash | yes |
| 23:40.16 | pokoko222 | kinda wierd though, what if a guy that is not a student is approved :D |
| 23:40.39 | pokoko222 | I thought they ask for that document before application deadline |
| 23:40.42 | pokoko222 | but oki doki |
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| 23:41.26 | kolyaflash | pokoko222, you are right. |
| 23:41.31 | meflin | the guide tells you what you need |
| 23:41.58 | pokoko222 | meflin: no it does not |
| 23:42.04 | pokoko222 | I read every single word :) |
| 23:42.11 | meflin | what not when |
| 23:42.20 | pokoko222 | meflin only when then |
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| 23:43.02 | meflin | my guess is is the doc requires fall before the payment :D |
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| 23:43.35 | pokoko222 | eh? |
| 23:43.53 | meflin | no documentation .. no payment :DD |
| 23:44.01 | pokoko222 | ah yeah well :) |
| 23:44.18 | pokoko222 | but imagine a guy kidding around might get accepted and take someone's spot :) |
| 23:44.25 | pokoko222 | and then when he needs to send document ouch |
| 23:45.07 | ojwb | pokoko222: yes, so don't do that |
| 23:45.32 | meflin | that I guess is possible |
| 23:45.42 | meflin | but the kidding guy wont get $ |
| 23:47.02 | pokoko222 | haha |
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