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| 00:28.49 | Lennie | kblin, wassup? |
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| 00:29.51 | ojwb | Lennie: the "needs action" filter on requests doesn't seem to be applied when the page loads |
| 00:30.10 | ojwb | you have to change it and then change it back to get it to actually filter on the thing it default to |
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| 00:31.07 | Lennie | yeah |
| 00:31.18 | Lennie | I noticed something similair like that a few days ago |
| 00:31.23 | Lennie | I just filled in a bug report on it |
| 00:31.29 | Lennie | *filed |
| 00:33.10 | ojwb | cool |
| 00:33.21 | ojwb | noticed too, but failed to get to filing a bug |
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| 00:33.42 | ojwb | did the "tinymce" disable option get removed? |
| 00:33.52 | ojwb | i thought there was one in the profile before |
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| 00:50.20 | Lennie | ojwb, you should file a bug for that :) |
| 00:50.40 | Lennie | ojwb, I believe the user settings form isn't displayed on your profile anymore |
| 00:50.47 | Lennie | which is where that lives |
| 00:53.41 | Lennie | ojwb, nm to file a bug :P |
| 00:53.53 | Lennie | I already filed a related one right now and my guess is it will resolve both our issues :) |
| 00:54.07 | Lennie | ojwb, do you want me to disable tinymce for you? |
| 00:55.11 | ojwb | Lennie: no, it's ok for me - i suggested a student having issues with tinymce reformatting pasted HTML used it |
| 00:55.16 | ojwb | but it wasn't there |
| 00:57.10 | Lennie | hmm, I believe tinymce itself has a raw button |
| 00:57.29 | ojwb | Lennie: yes, someone else pointed that out |
| 00:57.29 | Lennie | Anyway, getting an opensource text editor is not easy :p |
| 00:57.42 | ojwb | though oddly not on the mentor commit form |
| 00:57.53 | ojwb | um, comment not commit |
| 00:58.08 | Lennie | Ah yes, we might be showing a simpler toolbar there |
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| 05:34.01 | qdb | hello. i think if google payed 10$ every day, so, it is 30*10=300, 300*3=900$, and then added 4100$ at the end, it would be good for some participants. |
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| 05:35.26 | qdb | because some people may not want to participate in this , waitning for money 3 months, and working. though this is not payment, but like grant from google, it has many payment features. |
| 05:35.38 | Triskelios | qdb: that's basically impossible with the amount of logistical overhead in transferring money |
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| 05:39.51 | qdb | Triskelios, but other less overheated payments possible. for example prepaying 300$ before first month, then again after first month, then after 2nd month, then paying left sum at the end. |
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| 05:48.54 | cpolymeris | why would you do that? |
| 05:49.37 | cpolymeris | something like 90% of projects are succesful |
| 05:49.49 | marchael | money should not be a main priority |
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| 05:56.41 | ojwb | people have suggested splitting it into more pieces before, and the answer has been that it's too hard |
| 05:57.14 | ojwb | you do get $500 at the start IIRC |
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| 05:58.40 | cpolymeris | it wouldn't make any difference in the end, would it? |
| 05:58.55 | cpolymeris | you still get the same $, so what is the point? |
| 05:59.08 | cpolymeris | more incentive to finish? |
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| 06:00.43 | _hsr | what if an org have more good proposals than the slot limit |
| 06:01.08 | _hsr | Is there any possibility of reassigning them? |
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| 06:06.51 | kblin | in the olden days, we only ever got $4500, and that only after the program was done |
| 06:07.18 | kblin | so you didn't see any money until you passed the final eval |
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| 06:10.58 | cpolymeris | sure. but it seems the success rate has increased from the olden days |
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| 06:18.38 | qdb | hello. (i has not seen your talking about the topic) |
| 06:19.11 | qdb | it is simple, some people may want some money to but food during 3 months etc |
| 06:19.20 | qdb | to buy |
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| 06:22.36 | kblin | cpolymeris: I'd correlate this to the mentors being smarter about screening for good applicants |
| 06:23.07 | cpolymeris | yeah, you're probably right |
| 06:23.12 | cpolymeris | the experience |
| 06:23.23 | kblin | I certainly wouldn't select any student who came with a project proposal like the one that got me accepted in 2005 :) |
| 06:23.34 | cpolymeris | heh |
| 06:23.43 | kblin | at least not without much more interaction with the student |
| 06:24.04 | cpolymeris | what was the proposal, if I may ask? |
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| 06:24.56 | kblin | Implementing the NTLMSSP SSPI provider for Wine |
| 06:25.35 | cpolymeris | no idea what that is :) |
| 06:25.46 | cpolymeris | why wouldn't you consider it, today? |
| 06:26.23 | _hsr | <qdb> it is simple, some people may want some money to but food during 3 months etc |
| 06:26.30 | _hsr | did anyone read that? |
| 06:26.46 | cpolymeris | _hsr: yes |
| 06:27.13 | _hsr | wonders why he got away from trolling |
| 06:27.20 | cpolymeris | qdb is right... some people *need* a summer job |
| 06:27.36 | _hsr | oh I didn't know that |
| 06:29.04 | qdb | such people will not go into gsoc, they will go to job |
| 06:29.22 | _hsr | qun, you were serious? |
| 06:29.52 | _hsr | I took the irony in that :( |
| 06:30.25 | qdb | _hsr, do you know how much money people earn for a hour of work arounf the world? |
| 06:30.35 | qdb | gsoc is for all world |
| 06:30.54 | _hsr | considering students, not much here I guess |
| 06:31.06 | kblin | cpolymeris: the proposal isn't very well structured, and a bit on the short side |
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| 06:31.22 | qdb | i think many people may want and need that in some countries or places |
| 06:31.41 | _hsr | but from where I am from, India, you have your parents for the financial support |
| 06:31.52 | cpolymeris | kblin: i see. more about formal things than about the task itself |
| 06:31.56 | kblin | cpolymeris: arguably, in 2005 the "webapp" to apply was a webpage with a single text field that sent an email to chris, who then had to manually forward the applications to the respective org |
| 06:32.05 | qdb | _hsr, it is ok, but parents may not support gsoc |
| 06:32.19 | qdb | they may blame |
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| 06:32.31 | _hsr | true, I messed up my academics for GSoC |
| 06:33.04 | kblin | cpolymeris: http://kblin.org/code/gsoc/2005/application.html |
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| 06:34.00 | qdb | and there may be are starvation/hunger in some countries like somali |
| 06:35.53 | cpolymeris | kblin: haha. terribly vague.. no timeline, "maybe do this, maybe do that..." |
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| 06:36.08 | cpolymeris | and you finished it succesfully? |
| 06:36.13 | kblin | sure |
| 06:36.20 | kblin | not the way I proposed there, of course |
| 06:36.33 | |Kev| | Orgs got a lot smarter since then. |
| 06:36.58 | kblin | the library I proposed to use didn't really exist at that point, it was just in Andrew's bachelor thesis |
| 06:37.23 | kblin | which I had read, and thought "Oh, it's in an academic thesis, it must be great" |
| 06:37.24 | cpolymeris | haha |
| 06:38.16 | kblin | but it got me into gsoc as one of 400 people, out of > 9000 applications |
| 06:38.39 | kblin | arguably, most of the applications in 2005 would be classified as "spam" these days |
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| 06:39.03 | ojwb | i suspect the students probably have more idea now too |
| 06:39.04 | cpolymeris | yes, I have seen some which are really just copy-pastes from the ideas page |
| 06:39.24 | cpolymeris | oh, you said in 2005 |
| 06:39.25 | ojwb | there's things like the student guide to help them understand how things work |
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| 06:39.38 | kblin | right |
| 06:39.48 | kblin | in 2005 nobody knew how this was supposed to work |
| 06:39.52 | |Kev| | Back then it was hard to work out what to do. |
| 06:40.05 | |Kev| | Today you get as much information as you can eat, if you want it. |
| 06:40.05 | ojwb | and many probably know other students from previous years |
| 06:40.06 | cpolymeris | you mentoring this year, kblin.. or still a student? |
| 06:40.27 | kblin | well, I'm an admin for two orgs |
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| 06:40.55 | kblin | I'm still a phd student, but was a gsoc student the last time in 2007 |
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| 06:41.05 | cpolymeris | then you have a better notion, probably, of how proposals have improved |
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| 06:41.33 | kblin | the ones that get accepted certainly have improved |
| 06:41.36 | kblin | :) |
| 06:41.59 | kblin | man.. |
| 06:42.14 | kblin | reading over my old app, things really changed over the years |
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| 06:42.34 | kblin | in 2005, "find a place to put up the code" really wasn't straightforward |
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| 06:42.51 | kblin | wine was using CVS back then |
| 06:42.53 | cpolymeris | I guess it also depends on the org-- the org I am applying this year is far more exigent than last year's |
| 06:43.04 | kblin | not just "fork the project on github".... |
| 06:43.15 | kblin | god I feel old now |
| 06:43.26 | kblin | goes sit in the sun in his rocking chair |
| 06:43.30 | |Kev| | kblin: As you should. |
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| 06:44.53 | cpolymeris | i am sure in 2005 things like sourceforge already existed |
| 06:45.27 | cpolymeris | open source repo sites, I mean |
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| 06:45.40 | |Kev| | Yes, but you can't fork CVS. |
| 06:45.49 | |Kev| | Nor branch with it. |
| 06:45.57 | |Kev| | (With any sanity) |
| 06:46.01 | ojwb | you can fork, but it's rather one way |
| 06:46.16 | cpolymeris | never used that... started with svn |
| 06:46.29 | |Kev| | SVN's almost as painful. |
| 06:46.33 | ojwb | same issue really - you can't just clone the repo and sanely recombine |
| 06:46.49 | ojwb | to operate sanely you need commit access |
| 06:46.55 | cpolymeris | but you had branches, if i remember correctly |
| 06:46.58 | ojwb | or something like git svn |
| 06:47.06 | |Kev| | cpolymeris: Yes, but not in any meaningful sense. |
| 06:47.07 | ojwb | yes, but you need commit access to use them |
| 06:47.12 | cpolymeris | oh, sure |
| 06:47.21 | |Kev| | You can't merge branches back into trunk in any sane way. |
| 06:47.27 | kblin | cpolymeris: in 2005, "fork" was a bad four-letter-word |
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| 06:47.40 | ojwb | it's not as bad as it was - svn merge helps |
| 06:48.03 | ojwb | it's certainly not as slick as git, etc though |
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| 06:50.40 | cpolymeris | for my last year's project I never touched the core code... it was so well modularized that it wasn't necessary |
| 06:50.50 | cpolymeris | for that, svn would have been perfectly sufficient |
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| 06:51.34 | cpolymeris | see... poor versioning systems force you to write better code :P |
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| 06:54.10 | kblin | cpolymeris: no, bad versioning systems just get you turned away from developing software |
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| 07:13.44 | qdb | hello. i proposed day by day payment (10$ every day) at first because i am muslim and i have herad story about muhammed said: http://www.hadithgarden.com/2011/02/give-worker-his-wages-before-his-sweat_27.html , and as i said, gsoc grant have many payment features, and it indeed may be comfortable for many people |
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| 07:14.57 | |Kev| | qdb: Are you aware that what you propose gets the students their money slower than what currently happens? |
| 07:15.57 | |Kev| | Students get $500 up front - that's 50 days' pay by your schedule, which is significantly longer than the midterm, where students currently get their next chunk. |
| 07:16.15 | |Kev| | So it's worse for the students and (presumably much) worse for Google. |
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| 07:16.34 | qdb | |Kev|, i did not know that |
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| 07:29.31 | timurf | hello, i am a mentor for m-lab http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/google/gsoc2012/mlab |
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| 07:30.11 | timurf | specifically on the paris traceroute activities http://code.google.com/p/paris-traceroute/ |
| 07:30.31 | timurf | this is the first year that we are participating in gsoc |
| 07:31.08 | timurf | i was on this channel before and it was suggested we improve our melange page |
| 07:31.25 | timurf | i'd be interested in any comments folks might have on our current presentation |
| 07:31.34 | timurf | also on our keywords |
| 07:32.05 | timurf | we have a few students interested and participating on our irc channels #m-lab and #paris-traceroute |
| 07:32.17 | timurf | but not as many as i had hoped |
| 07:33.02 | timurf | perhaps it is because we are not well known, or perhaps because we could be doing a better job of getting the word out |
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| 07:37.51 | cpolymeris | looks good to me, timurf |
| 07:38.05 | cpolymeris | perhaps more focus on what the student can do for you |
| 07:38.06 | timurf | thanks, cpolymeris |
| 07:38.17 | cpolymeris | a more prominent ideas page |
| 07:38.54 | cpolymeris | or a statement at the top of the page like "you can contribute with this and that" |
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| 07:39.07 | timurf | indeed, we only refer to the ideas fairly low down on the page |
| 07:39.18 | cpolymeris | there is a frame at the top |
| 07:39.25 | cpolymeris | but it doesn't stand out |
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| 07:40.25 | timurf | i'll get right on that |
| 07:41.18 | cpolymeris | i have no experience with this, just a student, so take it with a grain of salt |
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| 07:50.47 | timurf | no, i think it's a good point |
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| 07:54.57 | ojwb | timurf: i wonder if that's just too much text for the page on melange - it forces a narrow width on you, which makes it look really long and puts you off reading it |
| 07:55.21 | timurf | that's entirely possible ojwb |
| 07:55.53 | qdb | would you give me link to place saying 500$ is given up front, and i will search it myself |
| 07:56.29 | ojwb | the faq? |
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| 07:57.40 | ojwb | yes, load faq, search page for 500 |
| 07:57.41 | ojwb | qdb: ^ |
| 07:57.45 | ojwb | was that really that hard? |
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| 07:58.34 | qdb | ojwb, i had not started to search it |
| 07:58.46 | qdb | thank you |
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| 08:00.22 | ojwb | it's not right at the start, but it's at the start of the coding period |
| 08:00.39 | ojwb | not many students fail to get that far |
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| 08:01.28 | cpolymeris | is there a list of the factoids gsocbot knows? |
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| 08:02.31 | ojwb | cpolymeris: I think you can ask it, but please use query if you're going to ask it a lot of things |
| 08:02.44 | ojwb | !gsocbot |
| 08:02.44 | gsocbot | ojwb: "gsocbot" is http://gsoc-wiki.osuosl.org/index.php/Gsocbot |
| 08:03.02 | ojwb | should be instructions there |
| 08:03.29 | cpolymeris | yeah. i saw that an was playing with it, but didn't work |
| 08:03.34 | cpolymeris | think the interface changed |
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| 08:07.48 | ojwb | unhelpfully, the query interface isn't the same as the in-channel interface |
| 08:08.18 | cpolymeris | figured it out, thanks |
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| 08:16.20 | funnycap | Hi |
| 08:16.34 | funnycap | Can I submit two different proposal to the same project? |
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| 08:16.49 | funnycap | I mean, to same organization. |
| 08:16.59 | funnycap | for two different projects |
| 08:17.11 | cpolymeris | !multiple |
| 08:17.11 | gsocbot | cpolymeris: "multiple" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs#more_than_one |
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| 08:17.56 | kolyaflash | cpolymeris, This is not exactly what he need. |
| 08:18.21 | cpolymeris | heh. sorry |
| 08:18.29 | cpolymeris | funnycap: yes, you can |
| 08:18.46 | cpolymeris | but can only work on one, of course |
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| 08:23.19 | kolyaflash | cpolymeris, but how? I think that we can't. |
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| 08:24.16 | cpolymeris | what do you mean, kolyaflash? |
| 08:24.39 | cpolymeris | you go to the accepted org list, select the org |
| 08:24.45 | cpolymeris | and click "submit proposal" |
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| 08:25.42 | kolyaflash | cpolymeris, yes. And I must write about several projects in one application? |
| 08:25.56 | cpolymeris | no... write one application |
| 08:26.10 | cpolymeris | then do the same thing again |
| 08:26.38 | kolyaflash | cpolymeris, thats i. I got it! thanks |
| 08:27.01 | cpolymeris | np |
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| 08:35.39 | ojwb | funnycap: talk to the org before spending the time on writing two applications |
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| 08:36.23 | ojwb | they might be able to suggest one is a much better choice for you, which'll save you a lot of work |
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| 09:30.52 | epsil | hm ... edited my proposal using plain html, but the formatting is kinda weird |
| 09:31.02 | epsil | links and list elements are larger than the other text |
| 09:31.27 | epsil | something is fishy about the stylesheets, methinks |
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| 09:38.13 | vytas | Morning all, if I know what project I would like to work on, can I offer same project to couple orgs instead of one. In case they will get little space and could reject due to it only? |
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| 09:43.56 | buffyg | vytas: You can do what you like, but working hard on an app and developing a relationship with a community will give you the best shot. Trying to work on multiple proposals creates its own set of risks. |
| 09:45.00 | ojwb | vytas: submitting the same proposal to different orgs isn't going to work - they'll be interested in projects working on their own code |
| 09:45.20 | ojwb | we get one or two like that each year, and they just go in the "no" pile |
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| 09:45.49 | buffyg | That's also very true: submitting the *same* proposal to multiple orgs will make your app look spam-like. |
| 09:46.06 | vytas | buffyg, I do understand it, and I am confident about myself, but we all have seen what happened to so many orgs due to limited space. I would like to use this opportunity kindly offered by Google (= |
| 09:46.09 | ojwb | really, it makes your app spam |
| 09:46.20 | vytas | hmm true ojwb |
| 09:46.23 | ojwb | vytas: it's ok to submitted a couple of proposals |
| 09:46.30 | ojwb | but sending the same one out isn' |
| 09:46.33 | ojwb | bah |
| 09:46.39 | ojwb | isn't going to help |
| 09:46.49 | vytas | well I don't even saying same proposal, but on same subject. |
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| 09:47.54 | buffyg | I'd again emphasise the importance of engagement and feedback. |
| 09:48.09 | buffyg | This is the advice I give for application to our org: http://wiki.illumos.org/display/illumos/How+to+write+an+excellent+GSoC+proposal |
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| 09:48.30 | vytas | buffyg, I read it yesterday. Thanks for it (= |
| 09:50.11 | buffyg | That's org-specific, but I would emphasize that a general objective of GSoC is to cultivate long-term contributors to FOSS. Engaging deeply with an org is pretty crucial. |
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| 09:54.04 | vytas | and again I am coming back to my situation. As I want to write my final year project on "this" subject. That is why I am searching mentors for it. Which stands that at least a year after GSOC I will stay with them. |
| 09:56.12 | buffyg | Sure. My point is simply that GSoC is an immersion program. The best kind of immersion is to be involved with an org well before GSoC. If that's not the case, immersing yourself in an org is the next best thing. If you get an understanding of their priorities, develop relationships with the community, and contribute or at least submit code during the application period, that's immersing yourself now. |
| 09:56.52 | buffyg | If you spend time trying to deal with multiple orgs, you will dilute that, which creates its own set of risks. It's up to you which way you want to go, but decide between approaches with both eyes open. |
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| 10:00.42 | vytas | Sure, well I will write best Proposal as I can for org I chose months before. And than will see if any time is left =) |
| 10:02.17 | buffyg | GSoC isn't like a lot of summer internships or industrial placements: it should be continuous with community involvement. You don't show up after the school year is over and start work. It leaves you with a very different kind of accomplishment. If you're already engaged with an org before the application period, you've definitely got a strong start. |
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| 10:07.02 | buffyg | My only other suggestion is, if you feel your proposal is pretty polished, consider spending time left before the deadline working on contributions to the project that demonstrate your capability to execute. If you have a viable WIP, mention it on the app, and keep at it through the review period. Show that you're dedicated to the project and passionate about your proposal by keeping working while awaiting a decision. |
| 10:08.34 | vytas | buffyg, yes and as I said I am confidence about it. but I don't want to risk and loose place only because of limited space. and I appreciate the fact that people work hard to spread their communities. I personally, did a lot of volunteering in my life and I am up to stay with community and update/maintain the project. I believe everyone should do that. |
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| 10:09.43 | vytas | buffyg, I like your last suggestion. Will do that, thanks |
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| 10:11.56 | kblin | wow, Mr. Kofi Anan himself wrote me an email just now.. on a cursory glance, he needed someone to help him turn off caps lock |
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| 10:16.57 | ojwb | kblin: I can top that - google sent me an email offering me $5000 just for sitting at home and writing some code |
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| 11:11.24 | shar | what is SSH keys in launchpad? how do we set one/ |
| 11:11.28 | shar | ?? |
| 11:13.24 | schumaml | shar: do you know what SSH is? |
| 11:13.33 | manstis | hi, if I want to add a new proposal to https://community.jboss.org/wiki/GSOC12Ideas do I need to submit through Google's SoC page or just edit the wiki? |
| 11:13.44 | manstis | I am registered as a RH mentor |
| 11:14.22 | shar | schumaml, it means secure shell.. something needed while transfering data.. its related to cryptography.. am i right? |
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| 11:14.32 | schumaml | yes |
| 11:14.48 | ojwb | manstis: you don't need to go through google, but your org might have procedures |
| 11:14.59 | shar | so how do i know my ssh id? and how do i set it in launchpad? |
| 11:15.06 | manstis | ojwb, thanks |
| 11:15.17 | shar | its asking for it while branching out. |
| 11:15.19 | schumaml | shar: it works like this: a publish key is one a server, the matching private key on the system you're connecting from |
| 11:15.22 | ojwb | it's getting a bit late for new ideas - I think applications close in less than a week now |
| 11:15.27 | schumaml | s/publish/public/ |
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| 11:16.17 | schumaml | on the launchpad profile page, you can add a public ssh key |
| 11:16.33 | shar | sorry. didnt get you.. i am quite new to this.. can you explain?? |
| 11:16.47 | schumaml | https://help.launchpad.net/YourAccount/CreatingAnSSHKeyPair |
| 11:17.48 | shar | so basically i need to create it first in my system through the terminal? |
| 11:17.50 | schumaml | this explains how to create a sh key pair, and points to https://launchpad.net/people/+me/+editsshkeys where you upload the key (that is, paste the content of the public key file into a form) |
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| 11:17.59 | schumaml | yes |
| 11:18.29 | shar | okay.. will work on it now.. |
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| 11:21.00 | pylix | how do you apply as a student? |
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| 11:24.56 | vytas | pylix, go to gsoc 2012 website, press register at the bottom, than press apply |
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| 11:29.08 | pylix | thanks |
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| 11:30.14 | hughsie | Hey all. Is there any way to publicly vote down any GSoC entry without looking like an asshole? I appreciate it's a bit of an odd question. |
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| 11:38.56 | d34th4ck3r | Is there a anyway to find out accepted proposal from previous years? |
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| 11:39.40 | d34th4ck3r | hughsie: you mean project or a proposal ? |
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| 11:44.43 | hughsie | d34th4ck3r, well, i'm just looking at the list of projects for open icc this year |
| 11:45.09 | hughsie | every single one is mentored by the same person and i don't see one idea that seems worthwhile |
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| 11:46.40 | shar | schumaml, i have generated and imported my ssh key.. do we require a custom ssh key to be added? |
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| 11:48.44 | schumaml | no. this would be if you want to e.g. have one key per server |
| 11:50.11 | d34th4ck3r | hughsie: well, I suggest , you should mail this issue, along with the drawbacks of each of the project into their mailing list ccing it to gsoc mailing. |
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| 11:50.37 | hughsie | d34th4ck3r, and try not to come across like an asshole... :) |
| 11:51.12 | d34th4ck3r | hughsie: exactly, I guess they'll be more that happy to improve on your suggestion. |
| 11:51.31 | d34th4ck3r | *than |
| 11:51.31 | ojwb | they would have shown their ideas list to google as part of the org application process |
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| 11:52.26 | hughsie | it just seems a shame when i see some many other projects get refused places and this one is going to be a waste of time and money again |
| 11:52.58 | hughsie | the only person that's applied to do any of the projects on the page is the same guy who did it last year |
| 11:53.04 | ojwb | well, it's google's money |
| 11:53.21 | hughsie | i suppose |
| 11:53.28 | hughsie | maybe i shouldn't get so worked up about it |
| 11:53.43 | gevaerts | I'm pretty sure that 90% of the applications in the list shouldn't be there. The only thing is that it's not the same 90% for any two people :) |
| 11:54.21 | gevaerts | doesn't see what's so bad about those idea |
| 11:54.23 | gevaerts | *s |
| 11:54.31 | schumaml | hughsie: what makes you certain that non of their ideas is worthwhile? |
| 11:54.52 | ojwb | schumaml: perhaps he's colour-blind |
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| 11:55.01 | hughsie | schumaml, I'm the author of colord |
| 11:55.27 | hughsie | we've got 99% marketshare in distros now as a color management framework for linux |
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| 11:55.45 | hughsie | the "competitor" project is oyranos |
| 11:56.16 | hughsie | which basically has no users (check popcon or ohloh) |
| 11:56.58 | hughsie | so i've got a totally vested interest |
| 11:57.32 | ojwb | you're not making a great case here |
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| 11:57.55 | hughsie | ojwb, sure, perhaps not. |
| 11:58.10 | schumaml | sems like a huge incentive to not do anything foolish |
| 11:58.31 | schumaml | and why does this keyboard drop e characters |
| 11:58.59 | hughsie | schumaml, sure, it's just so frustrating. |
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| 12:00.58 | schumaml | but it looks like neither oyranos nor colord need to worry about getting a lot of users - it's not obvious whether one of them works on Microsoft Windows |
| 12:01.01 | schumaml | runs |
| 12:01.19 | hughsie | schumaml, you don't need a color management framework on Win32 or OSX |
| 12:01.29 | hughsie | they've each got their own native ones |
| 12:01.38 | hughsie | WCS and ColorSync |
| 12:02.11 | gevaerts | doesn't think gsoc is the place to settle which of several competing projects is the best |
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| 12:02.52 | hughsie | gevaerts, sure, agreed. but there must be some kind of rules about the same student doing the same project year-on-year? |
| 12:04.35 | gevaerts | hughsie: I don't have enough information to know if that's the case. If you feel it is, I think you should talk to carols, without involving the mailing list |
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| 12:05.20 | hughsie | gevaerts, i might just leave things alone. as ojwb says, it's not my money and i'm hardly impartial |
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| 12:06.14 | ojwb | there's certainly no rule against students returning to the same org, or students who are already active with an org working for it in gsoc |
| 12:06.25 | ojwb | if they're doing the exact same project, that smells fishy |
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| 12:07.10 | schumaml | hughsie: btw, http://www.oyranos.org/ vs. http://www.freedesktop.org/software/colord/ - which ones wins in presentation, in your opinion? |
| 12:07.23 | ojwb | doesn't seem ideal if they really only have one mentor, but perhaps he's retired or it's part of his job |
| 12:07.47 | hughsie | ojwb, no, he's a color consultant |
| 12:07.56 | schumaml | maybe you should do something about that - if I had to decide about project viability based on their web pages, colord wouldn't win |
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| 12:08.47 | hughsie | schumaml, sure, that's a fair comment. I'd direct you to check the different mailing lists tho, or even check http://www.freedesktop.org/software/colord/faq.html#oyranos |
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| 12:10.39 | schumaml | interesting, but tl;dr for the majority |
| 12:10.51 | hughsie | sure |
| 12:12.15 | qballer | When do mentor need to register? |
| 12:12.25 | qballer | in the GSoC site. |
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| 12:14.26 | olasd | qballer: I think now is the good time, as you need time to review applications |
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| 12:20.32 | ojwb | qballer: aren't you a student? |
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| 12:21.29 | qballer | I am, I'm asking for my mentor. :) He already reviewed my proposal and said it's good. It's just an issue of Org slots. |
| 12:22.42 | ojwb | those won't be known for a while yet |
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| 12:27.17 | waheed | hi everybody, can I ask the mentors to review my proposal before I submit it? |
| 12:28.50 | waheed | qballer ..do you mean that mentor can tell you about his review before the result announcement ? |
| 12:29.13 | r_iri1989 | yes, you should talk to them |
| 12:29.58 | r_iri1989 | contact your mentor directly through the organization, most of them will guide you to write your proposal |
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| 12:33.03 | waheed | that is great |
| 12:33.08 | waheed | :) |
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| 12:34.56 | r_iri1989 | It is, good luck! |
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| 12:37.02 | kblin | hughsie: I find the concept of "competing" open source projects a bit weird, and it sure is a minefield |
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| 12:37.59 | hughsie | kblin, sure. i think competition is a needed bit of open source |
| 12:38.14 | hughsie | if one project takes a series of bad decisions, you can't let it bring down the ecosystem |
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| 12:38.24 | hughsie | you have to innovate and grow to survive |
| 12:38.54 | hughsie | which means, multiple teams working on the same problem. firefox / opera / chrome for example |
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| 12:39.31 | kblin | I'm not sure that counts |
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| 12:39.55 | hughsie | kblin, okay, dcop v.s. dbus might be a better example |
| 12:39.56 | kblin | there's company interests behind each |
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| 12:40.56 | kblin | for an all-hobby-developer project, having another project do the same thing means there's someone else out there to share ideas with |
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| 12:41.57 | kblin | ryzom core and worldforge both build tools that you can use to build MMORPGs, so that'd be 'competition' by your definition, I guess |
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| 12:42.15 | kblin | we're doing GSoC together, so that doesn't sound very competitive to me |
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| 12:43.28 | kblin | for a competition, you need win and loss definitions |
| 12:43.47 | kblin | for a hobby project, I win as long as I get to have fun hacking |
| 12:44.11 | kblin | that's completely orthogonal to the existence of other programs doing the same thing |
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| 12:44.40 | kblin | but maybe my perspective is skewed. I aim at closed-source software when I pick "competitors" |
| 12:44.54 | kblin | it's much easier to root for the underdog ;) |
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| 13:09.21 | abhiin1947 | hi |
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| 13:10.10 | abhiin1947 | i'm interested in the idea "Tracker add-on for source control" idea listed in the ideas page |
| 13:10.57 | abhiin1947 | would the patch for http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/7951 be considered as a "related patch"? |
| 13:11.17 | abhiin1947 | i mean...a patch that is related to the idea |
| 13:11.42 | ojwb | abhiin1947: you need to ask on the haiku channel/list/forum/... |
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| 13:28.10 | brlcad | is there a way to only display valid submissions by default every time we visit #proposals_submitted ? |
| 13:29.04 | brlcad | presently displays All, the drop-down selected is already on "Valid", so actually have to select a different filter then back to Valid to get our list |
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| 13:37.09 | coderhs | hey, can i edit or modify a proposal that I have submited to google-melange website |
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| 13:40.18 | zimba12 | coderhs: yes |
| 13:40.25 | zimba12 | just: Edit Proposal |
| 13:40.54 | coderhs | k thanks :) |
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| 13:48.27 | dragansah_ | _ |
| 13:48.36 | InfinityL | In the gsoc application for the homepage URL can I give the link to my G+ page? |
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| 13:50.08 | kolyaflash | InfinityL, No one denies. |
| 13:51.20 | InfinityL | kolyaflash: What would you put if you were in my place |
| 13:51.23 | InfinityL | ?? |
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| 13:52.43 | kolyaflash | InfinityL, I was in your place, and also wanted to put it, but I didn't do that. |
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| 13:53.59 | InfinityL | kolyaflash: You didn't put anything there or you did'nt put your G+ homepage link ? :) |
| 13:55.00 | kolyaflash | InfinityL, I have not a blog or other, so I didn't put anything. |
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| 13:56.30 | InfinityL | Cool....You were in my place....literally :) |
| 13:56.36 | InfinityL | Thanks for the help |
| 13:56.43 | kolyaflash | InfinityL, I think you might put link to git or stackoverflow account or something similar. |
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| 13:57.18 | InfinityL | Hmmm...That seems better....Now that I do have a git account! |
| 13:57.40 | InfinityL | When did you take part in gsoc? |
| 13:57.54 | kolyaflash | InfinityL, :) |
| 13:58.18 | kolyaflash | InfinityL, in 2012 I very much hope |
| 13:58.43 | InfinityL | :D |
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| 13:59.36 | InfinityL | So are you a bachelors or masters student? |
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| 14:00.50 | kolyaflash | InfinityL, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Specialist_degree |
| 14:02.16 | InfinityL | Sounds cool! |
| 14:02.26 | InfinityL | You also a CompSci student? |
| 14:04.28 | InfinityL | What projects are you looking at? |
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| 14:06.50 | kolyaflash | InfinityL, yes i am. I looking to kernel.org and sahana for now. And you? |
| 14:07.30 | InfinityL | I am looking at apertium and mozilla .... |
| 14:07.50 | InfinityL | All the best for your application |
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| 14:08.06 | kolyaflash | InfinityL, :) |
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| 14:38.58 | jaypanda | hey.. what are the organisations that offer computer vision related projects ? |
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| 14:42.20 | sahil | can anyone help me please i have accidently registered at the time of mentors registeration not i am not able to apply as student ..can anyone please tell me how can i remove my mentor account.. |
| 14:43.35 | downey | sahil: you might try the #melange channel |
| 14:44.46 | JordiGH | That seems very frequent. |
| 14:44.57 | JordiGH | Why are so many students accidentally attempting to register as mentors? |
| 14:45.07 | JordiGH | UI problem? |
| 14:45.16 | kblin | shrugs |
| 14:45.33 | kblin | I'm not sure about the numbers |
| 14:45.34 | downey | JordiGH: They must be misunderstanding the "Or register as a mentor" link. :) |
| 14:45.48 | JordiGH | Well, people are essentially illiterate. |
| 14:46.07 | kblin | if there's 0.5% signing up as mentors accidently, but all of them come in here, our peception is skewed |
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| 14:46.12 | JordiGH | This is why you never make "ok" and "cancel" buttons in dialogues anymore. Rather, you write on the button the action that will happen. Because people will only read the button. |
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| 14:46.39 | downey | kblin++ |
| 14:46.42 | JordiGH | They won't read the rest of the dialogue. |
| 14:46.42 | kblin | JordiGH: or just remove any options from the UI.. hello gnome, I'm looking at you |
| 14:47.06 | JordiGH | kblin: I think that's a separate thing. |
| 14:48.11 | JordiGH | kblin: I think it's unlikely all the people who accidentally registered as mentors came here. I've seen maybe four or five in the mailing list also complain about this. Given how most people are shy, I estimate 50 people accidentally registered as mentors. |
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| 14:48.38 | JordiGH | kblin: This is, granted, obtained using the Stetson-Harrison estimator, but a very good version of it. |
| 14:49.16 | downey | 50 people is 2.5%, not a bad error rate |
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| 14:51.02 | tomprince | !appply-mentor | sahil |
| 14:51.11 | tomprince | !apply-mentor | sahil |
| 14:51.11 | gsocbot | sahil: "apply-mentor" is mail melange-soc@googlegroups.com with the link_id (top right of your screen) and tell them you are mistakenly registerd as a mentor |
| 14:51.25 | JordiGH | Look, we even had to get a bot factoid for it. |
| 14:52.13 | kblin | JordiGH: that proves nothing :) |
| 14:52.17 | tomprince | I did at one point suggest someone sign up, not realizing that there were different kinds of accounts. |
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| 14:52.31 | Jooles_ | Morning all |
| 14:52.50 | kblin | !tea | JordiGH |
| 14:52.50 | gsocbot | JordiGH: "tea" is Hot! |
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| 14:52.59 | JordiGH | But is it earl grey? |
| 14:53.12 | kblin | JordiGH: see, it's not realy related to how many people get this wrong |
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| 14:53.52 | JordiGH | I think the absolute measure is more important than the relative one here, because it means more people for whom to fix the problem, regardless of how many there were overall. |
| 14:53.56 | tomprince | I think it might have been 3 or so, that triggered having that factoid. |
| 14:53.57 | kblin | !ice tea |
| 14:53.57 | gsocbot | kblin: "ice tea" is cold, not hot. |
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| 14:54.01 | schumaml | it would be nice if people could just switch (or didn't even have to) unless they are accepted as a mentor by an org |
| 14:54.37 | kblin | I'm pretty sure patches are welcome, for values of welcome that include forcing you to sign a CLA |
| 14:54.49 | JordiGH | :-) |
| 14:56.30 | qballer | not really. he volunteered because of my proposal. It doesn't mean I'm in. I still want him to register. |
| 14:58.00 | qballer | waheed that was for you. |
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| 15:02.27 | diskonek | hi coders |
| 15:02.45 | sahil | thanks +gsocbot..:) |
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| 15:09.11 | waheed | qballer , you mean it is not a formal mentor in the SoC ? |
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| 15:11.21 | qballer | I don't know... it's for the org do decide. his a regular member and has a lot of experience He will probably be a mentor. Maybe not me. |
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| 15:18.16 | waheed | qballer , you mean you contacted this person through the org you registered for? |
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| 15:19.36 | qballer | yea |
| 15:19.56 | qballer | part of getting in touch with the projects thing. |
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| 15:24.47 | diskonek | yeah |
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| 15:27.23 | waheed | qballer , is it okay if you have no previous experience in the project you're registering for ? |
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| 15:30.44 | Lennie | !next |
| 15:30.45 | gsocbot | Lennie: "next" is Apr 6 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. |
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| 15:33.28 | kblin | hey Lennie, how's things |
| 15:33.55 | Lennie | kblin, in a GBus on my way to MTV campus :P |
| 15:33.58 | Lennie | Life is good |
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| 15:34.22 | Lennie | Just all those eager students who signed up as mentors are annoying :( |
| 15:34.35 | Lennie | Anyway, that's something for us to fix |
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| 15:34.40 | kblin | yeah, we were wondering if this is an UI issue |
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| 15:34.52 | Lennie | UI and language issue if you'd ask me |
| 15:35.36 | Lennie | kblin, my idea is to just make it possible for them to upgrade to students so we don't have to deal with it :P |
| 15:36.13 | kblin | right, that seems to be the most straightforward fix |
| 15:36.14 | Lennie | kblin, one other problem is that there is no timestamp on when the profiles got created so it's hard to tell if some of them are just clicking the tiny link instead of the big apply button :) |
| 15:36.35 | Lennie | or that they really made their profile way way before students could apply |
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| 15:36.55 | kblin | possibly they are, it's very easy to miss those giant orange buttons... |
| 15:37.21 | Lennie | ^^ |
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| 15:39.30 | ChrisOelmueller | huh, which buttons? |
| 15:39.37 | ChrisOelmueller | :o |
| 15:39.39 | Lennie | ChrisOelmueller, nice one :P |
| 15:39.56 | gevaerts | kolyaflash: I'm intrigued by you having a git account. Can you tell me more? |
| 15:40.20 | tomprince | Well, so is there any reason students shouldn't be able to sign up before applications open? |
| 15:41.10 | gevaerts | tomprince: I don't know about this year, but traditionally the reason has (de facto) been "the student stuff in melange isn't don't yet" :) |
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| 15:44.24 | kolyaflash | gevaerts, What exactly are you interested in? |
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| 15:44.50 | Lennie | gevaerts, not the case this year :P |
| 15:45.07 | Lennie | I'm guessing otherwise we'll get mentors who sign up as students :P? |
| 15:45.17 | Lennie | Having two buttons is also prone to problems |
| 15:45.28 | Lennie | Anyway, I'm off for breakfast |
| 15:45.59 | gevaerts | kolyaflash: I'm not aware of what a git account actually is |
| 15:46.43 | kblin | gevaerts: I've got a git account |
| 15:46.59 | kolyaflash | gevaerts, not git. github of course :) |
| 15:47.05 | gevaerts | kolyaflash: oh |
| 15:47.24 | kblin | I added it by using 'adduser --system --ingroup git --gecos "Git User" git' |
| 15:47.50 | kolyaflash | yea, "git account" sounds strange. |
| 15:48.03 | kblin | it even has a SID in my Active Directory domain |
| 15:48.09 | gevaerts | kolyaflash: it doesn't sound strange as such. Mainly wrong |
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| 15:48.36 | kolyaflash | gevaerts, yes, i mean wrong. |
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| 15:49.18 | gevaerts | kblin: what do you use it for? |
| 15:51.02 | kblin | my git-daemon runs under that uid |
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| 15:52.04 | kblin | and at work I've got one that manages my gitolite install |
| 15:52.37 | kblin | so I can have git urls like git@git:some-repo |
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| 16:05.43 | atermenji | привет |
| 16:05.47 | vytas | Have a good weekend all, and good luck writing proposals! |
| 16:06.08 | JordiGH | atermenji: Как вас здоровое? |
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| 16:06.28 | atermenji | JordiGH: отлично, а ваше? |
| 16:06.34 | JordiGH | Also good, but we should switch to English. |
| 16:06.51 | atermenji | yeah I know :) |
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| 16:22.07 | pokoko222 | I have made a blog where I talk about old projects |
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| 16:22.18 | pokoko222 | is it ok to send this to the potential mentor for comments? |
| 16:22.26 | pokoko222 | before application deadline |
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| 16:23.25 | kolyaflash | pokoko222, hi! |
| 16:24.29 | pokoko222 | hey kolyaflash |
| 16:24.36 | pokoko222 | I made the blog ;) |
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| 16:24.55 | pokoko222 | not sure If I should send it to some guys from the org to get some feedback |
| 16:25.37 | kolyaflash | pokoko222, Many of the proposal templates include a field for blog url entry |
| 16:25.47 | pokoko222 | yes I know |
| 16:25.59 | pokoko222 | but should I send the blog to them now just to get some feedback |
| 16:26.16 | kolyaflash | pokoko222, i think it will be great |
| 16:26.21 | pokoko222 | maybe they want more details explained maybe less you know |
| 16:26.24 | pokoko222 | that kind of stuff |
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| 16:27.14 | kolyaflash | pokoko222, unfortunately no |
| 16:27.29 | kolyaflash | pokoko222, i mean i don't know |
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| 16:27.49 | Al_Da_Best | Same response as yesterday: It's your call. |
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| 16:36.37 | downey | welcome allman :) |
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| 16:40.28 | harshit14 | hey can somebody plz explain me what is the process of applying to GSoC? |
| 16:40.36 | JordiGH | !apply |
| 16:40.43 | JordiGH | Hm. |
| 16:40.45 | Lennie | slow bot? :) |
| 16:40.53 | harshit14 | should i upload my proposal directly on melange or mail it to my mentor? |
| 16:40.54 | JordiGH | I thought we had a factoid for that. |
| 16:41.01 | JordiGH | harshit14: You apply on Melange. |
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| 16:41.23 | JordiGH | harshit14: And you should talk with prospective mentors and with the org you're planning to apply to. |
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| 16:41.30 | Lennie | !gsoc |
| 16:41.30 | gsocbot | Lennie: "gsoc" is Google Summer of Code, not Generic Savoir-faire on Open-source Conundrums |
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| 16:41.32 | Lennie | !apply |
| 16:41.35 | Lennie | !applications |
| 16:41.39 | Lennie | hmm interesting :) |
| 16:42.33 | harshit14 | JordiGH: i had talked once to the mentor before gsoc was declared, then i had only taken help from a friend who pursued that project last yr |
| 16:42.44 | harshit14 | based on that i am submitting my proposal |
| 16:43.06 | JordiGH | Just once? |
| 16:43.13 | JordiGH | Have you decided on a project? |
| 16:43.17 | harshit14 | will the mentor guide me about my proposal and suggest changes? |
| 16:43.30 | harshit14 | ya, i have decided on 1 project |
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| 16:43.43 | harshit14 | we can apply for 20 projects na? |
| 16:43.54 | JordiGH | harshit14: Your mentors can guide you, but bear in mind that you may be one of many applicants and you should make all reasonable efforts to shine on your own before you ask your mentor's help. |
| 16:44.52 | JordiGH | I mean, it's up to the mentors. Treat this like a job application. You want to impress them, show them you can get work done and/or can learn quickly. |
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| 16:45.11 | JordiGH | Hold on... there was a good page somewhere.. |
| 16:45.20 | harshit14 | hmm...i am also interested in a twitter project, do they have an irc channel for gsoc discussions? |
| 16:45.23 | ChrisOelmueller | !studentguide | harshit14 |
| 16:45.23 | gsocbot | harshit14: "studentguide" is http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ |
| 16:45.58 | JordiGH | This one looked like good supplementary reading: http://marekweb.com/google-summer-of-code-how-to-apply.html |
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| 16:49.16 | zz3599 | what's the acceptance rate for gsoc? |
| 16:49.51 | downey | !numapps |
| 16:49.51 | gsocbot | downey: "numapps" is 180 of 406 potential mentoring orgs were accepted in 2012. In 2011, 175 of 417 orgs were accepted; 3731 potential students submitted 5474 proposals, of which 1116 were accepted. In 2010, 151 of 367 orgs were accepted; 3464 students submitted 5539 proposals, and 1026 were accepted. |
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| 16:50.21 | gevaerts | !chance |
| 16:50.22 | gsocbot | gevaerts: "chance" is p, where p + q = 1 and 0 <= q <= 1 |
| 16:50.24 | gevaerts | !chances |
| 16:50.24 | gsocbot | gevaerts: "chances" is Odds, chances or probability really do not come into play for GSoC. Rambling off numbers or asking What are the odds of getting accepted... is really quite useless as one's acceptance is not dictated by luck or numbers, but by the quality of your proposal and your skills instead. |
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| 16:57.23 | pokoko222 | i am talking about old projects in my blog. What if I made a game from a book? |
| 16:57.29 | pokoko222 | should I mention I did it from a book? |
| 16:57.40 | pokoko222 | keeping it silent may be worse |
| 16:57.55 | pokoko222 | honesty is good I guess |
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| 17:02.23 | LetterRip | !next |
| 17:02.24 | gsocbot | LetterRip: "next" is Apr 6 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. |
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| 17:25.15 | LetterRip | hi all - i vaguely recall that a msg was sent to folks who didn't have voice who tried to talk during big gsoc meetings |
| 17:25.26 | LetterRip | how was that done? |
| 17:25.38 | pratnala | Hello all |
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| 17:31.01 | tomprince | LetterRip: You can set a channel to only allow people who are voiced, to send to the channel. |
| 17:31.10 | tomprince | There is a channel mode for that. |
| 17:31.24 | JordiGH | I don't think that's the question... |
| 17:31.35 | JordiGH | And LetterRip, I don't remember such a message being sent. |
| 17:31.53 | JordiGH | LetterRip: Are you sure it wasn't just your IRC client informing you that you had no voice while the channel was moderated? |
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| 17:32.11 | LetterRip | JordiGH: i remember being sent a msg that said 'contact channel op for voice' or such |
| 17:32.18 | tomprince | LetterRip: http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml |
| 17:32.33 | JordiGH | LetterRip: Did it say who the op was, or was it a generic message? |
| 17:32.41 | LetterRip | JordiGH: don't recall |
| 17:32.52 | LetterRip | but we have our channel that requires registration for voice |
| 17:33.00 | LetterRip | and want to set up a msg to be sent to them |
| 17:33.14 | LetterRip | because the error msg is useless |
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| 17:33.34 | tomprince | I do remember somebody saying contact me for voice, or somesuch during the rejection meeting. |
| 17:34.04 | LetterRip | tomprince: yeppers |
| 17:34.22 | JordiGH | Possibly chanserv can be taught to do that. |
| 17:34.26 | JordiGH | LetterRip: Try asking in #freenode. |
| 17:34.41 | LetterRip | JordiGH: just came from there :) |
| 17:34.50 | JordiGH | They said it wasn't chanserv? |
| 17:34.54 | JordiGH | And to ask here? |
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| 17:35.10 | LetterRip | JordiGH: no they basically explained to me that it was impossible, etc. |
| 17:35.22 | LetterRip | but since i knew it had been done here |
| 17:35.27 | LetterRip | i figured i'd ask how |
| 17:35.37 | JordiGH | LetterRip: was it someone with voice or ops who said that? |
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| 17:36.44 | LetterRip | JordiGH: i think it was random folks in the channel |
| 17:37.09 | LetterRip | anywho carols can probably direct me to the right person to ask |
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| 17:38.24 | JordiGH | LetterRip: Freenode has +z instead of +m, but iirc, we had +m here. +z sends the message to the ops, but no one else. |
| 17:38.24 | Al_Da_Best | You can set up a custom message sent to users when they join a channel. You can also use a bot/some script to automate a message every few minutes I guess |
| 17:38.41 | tomprince | If I recall correctly, t was just kblin who said it near the begining of the meeting. |
| 17:38.53 | Al_Da_Best | Yeah, he said it a couple of times |
| 17:39.03 | JordiGH | My logs don't have anything automated like that. |
| 17:39.14 | JordiGH | It would be a nice pattch for the Freenode ircd, though... |
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| 17:43.06 | LetterRip | kblin: ah was that the case that you just repeated a msg occasionaly? |
| 17:43.20 | LetterRip | or was there some sort of response msg if a nonvoiced user tried to speak? |
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| 17:47.41 | kblin | LetterRip: hm? |
| 17:48.00 | agliodbs | how do I report a spammer "mentor"? |
| 17:48.22 | LetterRip | kblin: in blender due to a spammer/troll we now require nicknames to be registered before getting voice |
| 17:48.49 | LetterRip | i vaguely recall that for the meetings there was an autoresponse or such when someone didn't have voice |
| 17:48.58 | kblin | LetterRip: I think carols just stated that people should msg me if they wanted to get in line for the feedback session |
| 17:49.13 | LetterRip | dang so wasn't automatic response then... |
| 17:49.14 | kblin | and I told them to use the bot |
| 17:49.23 | kblin | hmm, we can try... |
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| 17:49.43 | kblin | say something :) |
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| 17:50.37 | NhanTDN | Hello, how are you guys? |
| 17:50.41 | kblin | hi |
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| 17:51.12 | kblin | sorry if you got caught in the crossfire just there and couldn't say anything a moment ago |
| 17:51.45 | LetterRip | hello |
| 17:51.57 | tomprince | LetterRip: You can set it so only people with registered nicks can speak. |
| 17:52.11 | LetterRip | tomprince: yes - but there isn't a useful response is the issue |
| 17:52.12 | kblin | sure, but that wasn't the point for the feedback session |
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| 17:52.43 | LetterRip | tomprince: the desire is to let unregistered users know why they can't speak so they can register and be able to speak |
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| 17:53.31 | kblin | LetterRip: find a +v channel and see how they do it |
| 17:53.33 | kblin | :) |
| 17:53.55 | kblin | LetterRip: I think #python redirects you to a different channel if you're unregisterd |
| 17:54.06 | kblin | and the topic there explains how to get into python |
| 17:54.07 | LetterRip | kblin: yeah that was the suggestion |
| 17:54.16 | kblin | er #python |
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| 18:03.43 | LetterRip | hi all - thinking of sending this to the gsoc list - a quite useful resource - discusses the cultural management styles and could greatly help in expectations etc. for studnets and mentors - http://www.kwintessential.co.uk/intercultural/management/usa.html |
| 18:03.56 | LetterRip | the list of the different countries is at the bottom |
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| 18:04.32 | LetterRip | i think it might help a lot of students be more successful at gsoc, set proper expectations etc |
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| 21:12.49 | markelos | hello! |
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| 21:13.21 | allman | hi |
| 21:13.47 | markelos | quick question as this is my first time applying to gsoc |
| 21:14.46 | markelos | i'm completely noob on coding, but involved in many open source projects in every other way, do I have a chance of beeing accepted? |
| 21:15.04 | agliodbs | markelos: well, you do have to write code |
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| 21:15.28 | agliodbs | so if you've never programmed anything before, it might be kinda difficult |
| 21:15.35 | agliodbs | you're not a CS student? |
| 21:15.45 | markelos | It goes without saying that i'm all for learning |
| 21:16.52 | markelos | well not completely noob, i'v written some bash and html but other languages like python,c i have no idea |
| 21:17.38 | markelos | anyway, I'll give it a shot and see how it goes |
| 21:17.57 | agliodbs | markelos: well, the project will be expecting you to have some basic programming skills |
| 21:18.21 | agliodbs | markelos: it doesn't cost you anything to submit, but keep in mind that GSOC isn't about learning how to program for the first time |
| 21:18.39 | agliodbs | most of the applicants are CS students |
| 21:18.47 | markelos | i study applied mathematical and physical sciences |
| 21:18.56 | agliodbs | ah |
| 21:19.02 | agliodbs | look for a math-heavy project then |
| 21:19.11 | agliodbs | one where you can use your math more than programming |
| 21:19.34 | markelos | we've done some java in early seimesters but that's all forgotten now :p |
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| 21:20.35 | markelos | cool thanks for your answers |
| 21:20.50 | markelos | I'll be in touch |
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| 21:53.43 | pc_magas | is away: Ti xtypas Kyrios Leipw...... |
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| 22:12.09 | pc_magas | is back (gone 00:18:26) |
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| 22:17.39 | kblin | pc_magas: can you please turn of the public away, it can get really annoying |
| 22:17.54 | pc_magas | How can I do that on Xchat? |
| 22:18.17 | pc_magas | OK |
| 22:18.19 | pc_magas | Done |
| 22:19.07 | kblin | thanks |
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| 23:30.45 | shaku | I accidentally registered my google account as a mentor, is there any way I can re-register it as a student? |
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| 23:31.46 | agliodbs | shaku: email CarolS |
| 23:32.10 | tomprince | !apply-mentos | shaku |
| 23:32.15 | tomprince | !apply-mentors | shaku |
| 23:32.28 | tomprince | !apply-mentor | shaku |
| 23:32.28 | gsocbot | shaku: "apply-mentor" is mail melange-soc@googlegroups.com with the link_id (top right of your screen) and tell them you are mistakenly registerd as a mentor |
| 23:32.46 | shaku | okay, thanks |
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