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00:13.55 | sourabh0612 | !logs |
00:13.55 | gsocbot | sourabh0612: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
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00:15.53 | aliq | how does one email carols? can't find a email address... |
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00:21.01 | byucesoy | Hi. I have a question. I applied to more than one project and let's say two of them accepts me. However I can participate only one project. Who does select the project I will work on? |
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00:24.40 | ChrisOelmueller | the organizations will resolve this. they may ask you for your preference but this is not guaranteed (neither is that they decide in your favor) |
00:25.03 | ChrisOelmueller | by applying to an org, it's assumed that you would like to work with them |
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00:26.32 | byucesoy | thanks a lot |
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01:12.40 | Lennie | ey guys, I just got an email forwarded from someone who was told to contact carol when they accidentally registered as a mentor |
01:12.49 | Lennie | Please have them mail melange-soc@googlegroups.com instead :) |
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01:16.27 | agliodbs | Lennie: sorry, they were told that right afterwards |
01:16.37 | agliodbs | but apparently had already gone off and sent it |
01:16.48 | Lennie | np, just a reminder :) |
01:16.55 | Lennie | saves an extra mail roundtrip |
01:17.31 | Lennie | If people could also tell them to include their link id that would be even better ^^ |
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01:23.00 | ojwb | !apply-mentor | Lennie |
01:23.00 | gsocbot | Lennie: "apply-mentor" is mail melange-soc@googlegroups.com with the link_id (top right of your screen) and tell them you are mistakenly registerd as a mentor |
01:25.05 | ChrisOelmueller | !learn apply-mentor as mail melange-soc@googlegroups.com with the link_id (top right of your screen) and tell them you are mistakenly registered as a mentor |
01:25.06 | gsocbot | ChrisOelmueller: "apply-mentor" is (#1) mail melange-soc@googlegroups.com with the link_id (top right of your screen) and tell them you are mistakenly registerd as a mentor, or (#2) mail melange-soc@googlegroups.com with the link_id (top right of your screen) and tell them you are mistakenly registered as a mentor |
01:25.14 | ChrisOelmueller | !forget apply-mentor 1 |
01:25.14 | gsocbot | ChrisOelmueller: "apply-mentor" is mail melange-soc@googlegroups.com with the link_id (top right of your screen) and tell them you are mistakenly registered as a mentor |
01:25.55 | Lennie | lol :) |
01:25.59 | Lennie | thanks guys! |
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01:48.53 | jeet | HI |
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01:51.24 | jeet | I am a student here in Us on F1 visa. Is it a requirement to apply for CPT in order to participate in GSoC 2012 ? |
01:51.38 | jeet | a correction.. US |
01:52.44 | Lennie | !faq | jeet |
01:52.45 | gsocbot | jeet: "faq" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs |
01:52.52 | Lennie | it's in there |
01:53.05 | jeet | I read the FAQ already, it does not make it any clear. |
01:53.35 | Lennie | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs#F1 |
01:53.37 | Lennie | really it is |
01:53.48 | Lennie | Talk to your uni |
01:54.14 | jeet | in FAQm all it says is this - "For F-1 students applying for CPT, Google will furnish you with a letter you can provide to your university to get CPT established once your application to the program has been accepted." |
01:54.23 | Lennie | nope it says way more |
01:54.30 | Lennie | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs#F1 |
01:54.34 | Lennie | Please talk to your international student affairs office for more details. In the past, students on an F1 visa have participated in Google Summer of Code through CPT, but you will need to check with your university to see what will work best. |
01:54.58 | jeet | I see. let me have the look at the link you provided. |
01:55.11 | Lennie | It's the FAQ :p |
01:55.29 | Lennie | anyway my busstop is up |
01:55.30 | Lennie | so I'm off |
01:55.59 | jeet | It was at the last. sorry to bother you :P |
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02:33.19 | klocatelli | Does updating an proposal give an alert or something to the org I'm applying to? |
02:33.28 | klocatelli | ... hope not, heh |
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02:35.10 | ojwb | klocatelli: it does, unless they've disabled them |
02:35.19 | klocatelli | D: |
02:35.50 | klocatelli | yeah I wish I'd known about that sooner >.< |
02:36.20 | tomprince | klocatelli: I wouldn't worry about. |
02:41.35 | Gentlecat | ojwb: and what about comments? |
02:41.55 | ojwb | same |
02:42.09 | Gentlecat | okay, good |
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03:03.56 | nischayn22 | Hi, which is the best place to blog about gsoc activity for a student so that the mentor can keep track |
03:04.56 | klocatelli | wordpress, blogger, hell even github pages |
03:05.08 | klocatelli | or any number of other places, really |
03:05.43 | dberkholz | wherever the mentor actually checks on a regular basis |
03:13.29 | nischayn22 | klocatelli: how to do in github pages ? I might be using github for code so it might be a good place |
03:13.55 | klocatelli | http://pages.github.com/ |
03:14.02 | nischayn22 | thanks |
03:14.40 | klocatelli | it's very useful since you can have your code under one branch and your documentation/progress log/website under the other |
03:17.15 | nischayn22 | klocatelli: I think I will prefer wp because I want a more comments based page where I can put queries and the mentor can comment and put suggestions |
03:18.11 | klocatelli | there are plugins for using disqus with gh-pages, but yeah WP is probably better |
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05:50.27 | davidL | as an admin, how do I join the mentors list? |
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06:21.18 | kblin | davidL: you should be added to it automatically |
06:21.44 | kblin | davidL: and by automatically, I mean "carol will add you to it manually" |
06:21.58 | davidL | kblin: oh. has that not happened for everyone yet? |
06:22.58 | kblin | davidL: no idea, I've been on that list for four years now. I think usually the adds happen after the students acceptance deadline |
06:23.28 | kblin | because that's when carol also needs to add all the students to the student mailing list and also the point where you can't add more mentors |
06:23.30 | ojwb | there have been posts from new orgs, so unless they were mentoring elsewhere before, some have been added |
06:23.46 | kblin | hm, there's that |
06:23.55 | davidL | ah, alright. some of my mentors were already added to the list, so I was wondering if I missed a step |
06:24.00 | ojwb | um,you can add mentors at any time (you might need to if one drops out) |
06:24.45 | kblin | ojwb: oh? ok. never tried thta |
06:24.56 | kblin | so don't listen to me then :) |
06:25.07 | kblin | goes back to breakfast |
06:25.11 | ojwb | actually, I haven't, but I've told people it's true and nobody has come back and complained yet |
06:25.52 | davidL | so is it worth emailing Carol, or should I just wait? |
06:26.49 | ojwb | it's probably worth emailing her, though you aren't missing out on much |
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06:27.31 | ojwb | if you're an admin, you'll want to be on fairly soon |
06:29.44 | davidL | thanks |
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07:19.14 | alina | hello! should stundets also communicate with the mentoring organization during application period? |
07:20.20 | klocatelli | ideally yes |
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07:23.22 | alina | and if the organization does not reply, does it mean, that they already have better candidate for the project? |
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07:25.11 | ojwb | alina: how long has it been? |
07:25.25 | alina | 3 days |
07:25.28 | ojwb | bear in mind most mentors are volunteers with jobs and lives |
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07:27.00 | ojwb | alina: if they've got an IRC channel, you could hop on and ask |
07:27.14 | ojwb | after 3 days it doesn't see impatient I'd say |
07:28.06 | alina | ojwb: ok, i ll do it |
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07:47.17 | mlankhorst | Sigh, why do some proposals look like they've been written by a markov chain generator :( |
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07:51.51 | ojwb | mlankhorst: maybe they've been machine translated? |
07:52.30 | mlankhorst | ojwb: I mean, it's not even that the proposal's grammar was off, it was just insane.. |
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08:20.05 | pokoko222 | I have created a blog for old projects for which I will provide link to in my gsoc application |
08:20.25 | pokoko222 | not to bother the mentors about how much details I should describe about the projects I will just send it as it is |
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08:20.33 | pokoko222 | and if needed they can contact me later for more details |
08:20.37 | pokoko222 | I think that is ok? |
08:21.03 | pokoko222 | I try to bother them as little as possible for non-code related things |
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08:21.51 | pokoko222 | but basically for each project I provide source code and summarize very short the main things I did |
08:22.12 | mlankhorst | pokoko222: makes sense, it's about your current proposal after all :) |
08:22.45 | dhart | hi. can a melange admin please reconnect the username dhart with account dhart@opencog.org (hart@siai is defunct - username dhart_opencog is a throw-away). thanks! |
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08:23.11 | pokoko222 | mlankhorst: I could describe algorithms and stuff in details you know... but I doubt they will bother to read it anyways :) this way I kept it simple and if they want more details they can contact me |
08:23.51 | mlankhorst | pokoko222: well for proposals themselves it makes sense to let them knwo what you know that can be relevant :) |
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08:24.52 | pokoko222 | yes but for example I have a project with lots of linear algebra algorithms, what do you say about that? you cant describe each algorithm in details |
08:24.57 | pokoko222 | you can only summarize |
08:26.01 | mlankhorst | talk in rough details about how you plan to implement it and give a timeline, discussing on the mailinglists/irc helps too, people will remember that when you do :) |
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08:26.26 | pokoko222 | mlankhorst: no no, I am talking about old projects |
08:27.09 | pokoko222 | you need to provide old code for them to see what you have done before you know... |
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08:31.17 | pokoko222 | mlankhorst: ? |
08:32.07 | mlankhorst | pokoko222: I would recommend googling on how to write proposals, should have a few good tips :) |
08:33.25 | pokoko222 | yeah but I have not see one that talks about this |
08:34.10 | mlankhorst | did you discuss your idea with the organization you want to apply at? |
08:35.32 | pokoko222 | yep they like it, even suggested details about it for me to fill in |
08:35.45 | mlankhorst | then do that :) |
08:35.52 | pokoko222 | but you dont understand :) |
08:36.10 | pokoko222 | I ask about writing about old projects, because they want to see your old projects |
08:36.23 | pokoko222 | then you give link to that in the application |
08:36.30 | pokoko222 | in my case a blog |
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08:37.21 | pokoko222 | I am asking about the level of detail I need to describe those projects |
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08:39.09 | John12 | Hello, can student submit same proposal to two different organizations ? |
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08:40.17 | _hsr | pokoko222, dude, it's your blog, you can write all you want and all you don't want |
08:40.30 | _hsr | the readers will decide what to read and what not to |
08:40.45 | pokoko222 | _hsr: ok dude :D |
08:41.04 | Gentlecat_ | John12: How can it be the same? |
08:41.06 | _hsr | but keep it technical imo |
08:41.48 | _hsr | pokoko222, also include cat pictures, some might fall for that |
08:42.11 | pokoko222 | _hsr: the cat picture is the killer inded :) |
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08:42.50 | pokoko222 | _hsr: I keep it technical and short so far, if they want details they can contact... if I were to include more details they might not bother to read so :D |
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08:42.57 | pokoko222 | will leave them to ask for details if they want |
08:43.24 | mlankhorst | or just ask them.. |
08:43.56 | John12 | Gentlecat_, because they are academic projects which are suitable for both organizations. Do you think this might be a problem? |
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08:44.36 | _hsr | pokoko222, if your subject have different modules, I'd say you write in detail, about each one and link them all to a mother of all post |
08:44.39 | mlankhorst | John12: as in, it requires you to write code that uses components from both organizations? |
08:44.51 | _hsr | also I'd lose the blog and write a wiki |
08:45.18 | pokoko222 | _hsr: nah I will stay with the blog but I like your idea |
08:45.28 | ojwb | John12: I'd talk to the orgs and check |
08:45.31 | pokoko222 | I can keep it high level, and provide links to details |
08:45.43 | _hsr | exactly |
08:46.07 | pokoko222 | thanks _hsr you solved the problem :D |
08:46.09 | pokoko222 | beer? |
08:46.15 | mlankhorst | !beer |
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08:46.45 | _hsr | sure, anytime is fine time for beer :D |
08:47.20 | pokoko222 | _hsr: but watch out I might bother you with more gsoc questions while you drink it :D |
08:47.42 | _hsr | another tip of mine would be focus on your current projet rather than going after blogs |
08:48.30 | pokoko222 | _hsr: yes indeed, I am finishing up that now |
08:48.32 | John12 | <Gentlecat_> <mlankhorst> It is more like the idea is academic and new. Thus, completely new code needs to be written. |
08:49.20 | Gentlecat_ | But it can't be the same, can it? |
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08:49.44 | Gentlecat_ | I mean, every org has it's own goals etc. |
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08:51.08 | John12 | Gentlecat_ : I agree, however both organization have option for proposing a new idea. And they both like this idea. |
08:51.34 | Gentlecat_ | Well, if they like it why not |
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08:53.08 | John12 | I am just scared that google will say that this is plagiarism or something. |
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08:58.06 | mlankhorst | plagiarism is stealing of other's idea |
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09:00.40 | John12 | mlankhorst :Well, I tried to ask Google directly but not much luck so far. Anyway if you think the student wont be penalized for that then it can be done (because as you said it is not stealing other's idea). |
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09:01.51 | mlankhorst | I wouldn't know, have to ask carols |
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09:02.39 | John12 | Thanks for your help anyway. I will try to do that. |
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10:17.52 | jigar | i want to apply as a student for gsoc 2012. But when i login with my google account account it says i cannot apply as a student because i have applied as a mentor/ organization administrator. I remember registering for gsoc some time back which i guess mistaken as a mentor or organization admin. But i want to apply as a student. Is there a way to revert the changes and apply as a student? |
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10:22.02 | dhaun | jigar: yes, post your link_id in http://groups.google.com/group/melange-soc and explain what happened (see discussions there) |
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10:36.31 | gevaerts | dhart: I think you're going to get a faster response if you ask in melange or send mail to melange-soc@googlegroups.com |
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12:21.13 | bluezd | hi,all I have submited my proposal to Gsoc website .how can I make my proposal review by others ? |
12:21.23 | |Kev| | But the org, you mean? |
12:21.27 | |Kev| | That happens automatically. |
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12:21.43 | |Kev| | And if you want people outside the org - choose to make it public, and give the link to anyone you want to see it. |
12:23.07 | bluezd | |Kev|: I can modify it before the deadline ? |
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12:23.30 | |Kev| | Yes. |
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12:24.33 | bluezd | |Kev|: I want to see others proposal ,where can I get it ? |
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12:53.46 | d34th4ck3r | can we get recommendation letter from gsoc program ? |
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12:55.53 | SukhE | d34th4ck3r: Yes, from your mentor. |
12:56.41 | d34th4ck3r | SukhE: so, that will be personal recommendation letter or from the organization or from google ? |
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12:58.21 | kolyaflash | d34th4ck3r, from org. And certificate from Google. |
12:59.01 | d34th4ck3r | kolyaflash: Thanks. |
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14:25.02 | atneik | hello everyone! |
14:25.07 | m1k3y | hey atneik |
14:25.34 | atneik | My account shows link_id: atneik, is this normal? I heard somewhere link_id is long gone. |
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14:28.18 | SukhE | atneik: That is the right link_id. And no, it's not long. |
14:28.20 | |Kev| | link_id is alive and well to the best of my knowledge. |
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14:29.16 | atneik | SukhE: ok good. I thought something is wrong with my account. Thanks! |
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14:58.01 | |Kev| | I had forgotten how absolutely knackering this period of GSoC is. |
14:58.08 | |Kev| | yawns |
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14:59.38 | ashfall | |Kev|: Totally. :-| |
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15:21.21 | ousado | is google a freenode sponsor? |
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15:21.55 | gevaerts | ousado: #freenode might be a better place to ask that |
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15:30.56 | ousado | gevaerts: this looks like an official channel closely related to google, I think whoever decided to use resources provided by an organization like freenode for an organization like google should know. |
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18:00.36 | pc_magas | Good Evening Can I submint my proposals sa student into more than one orgs? |
18:00.53 | ThomasWaldmann | sure |
18:01.32 | ThomasWaldmann | pc_magas: but keep in mind that few high quality proposals likely work out better than many low qualitiy ones |
18:01.45 | pc_magas | What happens if AI get accepted into mora than one orgs? |
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18:02.21 | ThomasWaldmann | there will be a conflict resolution session between the orgs. you might get asked what you prefer then. |
18:02.39 | ThomasWaldmann | but you should be willing to do any projects you propose, of course. |
18:02.49 | tomprince | ^---- But you may not. |
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18:03.51 | pc_magas | How can I have High quality proposals |
18:03.52 | pc_magas | ? |
18:04.12 | ThomasWaldmann | use the orgs template for applying |
18:04.30 | ThomasWaldmann | give own ideas about the project you propose |
18:04.38 | ThomasWaldmann | make a timeline for your project |
18:05.02 | ThomasWaldmann | tell about details, show insights |
18:05.27 | ThomasWaldmann | talk with the org about your ideas |
18:06.07 | ThomasWaldmann | be honest |
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18:08.04 | Applify | should i be worried if i havent received any comments on my proposal which i submitted about 3-4 days back? |
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18:08.38 | ThomasWaldmann | Applify: that's hard to say without knowing the proposal or the org |
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18:09.03 | Applify | ive submitted to two different orgs, none commented. |
18:09.23 | Applify | one did acknowledge in an email that they received it, but thats all. |
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18:09.54 | ThomasWaldmann | (my org has received one proposal and i commented because it did not contain enough information) |
18:10.09 | Applify | i see... |
18:10.36 | Applify | well i made quite a detailed one IMO... |
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18:11.16 | ThomasWaldmann | Applify: you can just ask them whether they like to discuss about it |
18:11.44 | Applify | i sent them a mail asking for that. No reply. They dont have an IRC either... |
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18:12.15 | tomprince | What org? |
18:12.29 | Applify | open311 |
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18:12.53 | Applify | they did say they are new and need time...but im almost abt to run out of time... |
18:13.10 | Applify | i guess ill just have to sit tight. |
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18:13.37 | tomprince | Well, they will take into account the fact they haven't responded, when evaluating prosposals. |
18:13.54 | tomprince | Also, make sure that you get your application in melange well before the deadline. |
18:14.09 | Applify | yes I already have. 3 days back |
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18:14.18 | Applify | Im waiting for any comments on that |
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18:14.48 | braverock | Applify: I would also see if the org you applied to has some other preferred communications channels, e.g. irc, other mailing lists, etc. many projects ask that students introduce themselves in these venues |
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18:15.35 | Applify | well, they are new so they have none of those. Their mailing list isnt intended for gsoc...ive communicated via email though... |
18:16.33 | braverock | then the best advice I can give is to continue to go thorugh your applications and see where *you* think they can be improved, and make those improvements incrementally |
18:17.16 | Applify | yes I think ill do that. Although Ive already done some revisions on it. |
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18:19.10 | Jedilance | hey everybody |
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18:20.06 | kolyaflash | Jedilance, hi |
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18:21.51 | justarchit | i have an idea for gsoc 12 |
18:21.54 | Jedilance | is here same with irc://irc.freenode.net/gsoc |
18:21.57 | Jedilance | hi |
18:22.55 | justarchit | it is related to user interface and smartphones |
18:23.09 | justarchit | where shall i idscuss about it |
18:23.28 | braverock | justarchit: you would need to propose your idea to a participating organization that might be interested in it |
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18:25.01 | justarchit | i tried in OpenIntenrts and NUI |
18:25.10 | justarchit | but no dev response yet |
18:25.32 | justarchit | *OpenIntents and Natural User Interface group |
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18:26.04 | justarchit | can it be discussed here? |
18:26.12 | justarchit | since it pertains to gsoc |
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18:26.54 | justarchit | braverock? |
18:26.58 | klocatelli | your idea is independent of the organization? |
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18:27.05 | ThomasWaldmann | justarchit: well, i don't think it makes sense to go into details here, but if you want to post a one line teaser to see if someone is interested, go on :) |
18:27.06 | braverock | well, your area of interest isn't my area, so I can't really comment specifically. but typically, successful GSoC applicants either apply to a project idea that an organization has on their ideas page, or they propose some other requested feature or extension to the open source softwar that the org develops |
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18:27.40 | justarchit | well.. the idea in few words is .. like making a game controller using android phone.. |
18:28.05 | justarchit | it is technically possible imho.. so i dont know y it hasnt been done yet |
18:28.53 | justarchit | say connecting android phone to pc using wifi.. and using its motion sensors and touchscreen to play games like NFS, Fifa etc |
18:28.59 | klocatelli | wasn't there something for the iphone doing that a couple days ago? |
18:29.15 | ThomasWaldmann | justarchit: did you ask at catroids? |
18:29.45 | justarchit | catroids.. no.. but thats for programing platform for kids rit? |
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18:30.31 | ThomasWaldmann | (it's not a perfect match, but iirc i saw some guy on a conference controlling a quadcopter using catroids) |
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18:31.45 | justarchit | i jsut saw catroid's gsoc page |
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18:32.59 | justarchit | i think i would like to develop a generic software package for it.. onwhich support for various games genres can be added |
18:33.37 | justarchit | so which org should i propose this idea to? |
18:34.21 | justarchit | the idea arose from the need to play NFS, (without buying a XBox360 ) controller for connecting to pc |
18:34.28 | ThomasWaldmann | justarchit: maybe filter by tag "android" and ask these? |
18:34.33 | atermenji | Catroid allows to control Lego NXT, quadcopter and there is also unfinished Arduino support afaik |
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18:35.41 | justarchit | Thomas: i filtered the orgs by android... and thought OpenINtents and NUI could be interested in this proj... tried posting the idea on their forum... but no response yet from any dev |
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18:41.55 | justarchit | posted in the irc of catroid too |
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18:58.05 | ThomasWaldmann | justarchit: your only other option is maybe applying to google itself. if you have something very interesting that fits nowhere else. |
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19:04.06 | tomprince | While that is possible, I think you'd probably need to still find a mentor, and have and *outstanding* proposal. |
19:04.36 | braverock | yeah, seems more likely to fit with one of the android orgs |
19:05.14 | tomprince | You are much more likely to have a propsal accepted by an existing org, than coming up with your own new project. |
19:05.53 | ThomasWaldmann | yeah. otoh, i guess there are android people at google. :D |
19:05.59 | tomprince | gsoc is more about getting people involved with existing open source projects, than funding people to start new projects. |
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19:07.57 | justarchit | oh i see |
19:08.07 | justarchit | but this is open source work... |
19:08.14 | justarchit | which i wish to do.. |
19:08.48 | justarchit | of course i could make profit from it if i go closed source... but that would defect the purpose of the app |
19:08.56 | justarchit | *defeat |
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19:12.15 | justarchit | i am discussing the idea on catrodi irc |
19:12.23 | justarchit | thanks for the help |
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19:19.09 | pranjal70 | Submitting an appliocation at this point.. Is it too late?? |
19:19.39 | |Kev| | No. |
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19:20.07 | pranjal70 | But I have heard that we have to talk to orgs, and without being in touch with them, its difficult |
19:20.36 | |Kev| | You've still got ages. |
19:20.38 | |Kev| | 6 days IIRC. |
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19:21.52 | Fatbag | some orgs like you to do qualification tasks before sending your application |
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19:23.03 | pranjal70 | ok.. thanks.. I was really worried |
19:23.52 | tomprince | pranjal70: But you shouldn't delay, either. |
19:24.24 | |Kev| | Fatbag: Plenty of time for that too. |
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20:31.15 | pokoko222 | is it ok to send commit updates to mailing list? |
20:31.21 | pokoko222 | to let others know what you work on |
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20:32.45 | pokoko222 | I update code on github and so far, I send links on mailing list only if I do something big |
20:33.14 | kblin | why do you keep asking this stuff in here. this clearly depends on the project you're working with |
20:33.17 | pokoko222 | I dont want to bother people with things like " I fixed wrong type conversion ..." or what not |
20:33.33 | pokoko222 | I thought this is all part of gsoc ethics :) |
20:33.35 | pokoko222 | ok sorry |
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21:25.38 | gsocbot | ojwb: "apply-mentor" is mail melange-soc@googlegroups.com with the link_id (top right of your screen) and tell them you are mistakenly registered as a mentor |
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