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00:13.55gsocbotsourabh0612: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/
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00:15.53aliqhow does one email carols? can't find a email address...
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00:21.01byucesoyHi. I have a question. I applied to more than one project and let's say two of them accepts me. However I can participate only one project. Who does select the project I will work on?
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00:24.40ChrisOelmuellerthe organizations will resolve this. they may ask you for your preference but this is not guaranteed (neither is that they decide in your favor)
00:25.03ChrisOelmuellerby applying to an org, it's assumed that you would like to work with them
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00:26.32byucesoythanks a lot
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01:12.40Lennieey guys, I just got an email forwarded from someone who was told to contact carol when they accidentally registered as a mentor
01:12.49LenniePlease have them mail melange-soc@googlegroups.com instead :)
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01:16.27agliodbsLennie: sorry, they were told that right afterwards
01:16.37agliodbsbut apparently had already gone off and sent it
01:16.48Lennienp, just a reminder :)
01:16.55Lenniesaves an extra mail roundtrip
01:17.31LennieIf people could also tell them to include their link id that would be even better ^^
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01:23.00ojwb!apply-mentor | Lennie
01:23.00gsocbotLennie: "apply-mentor" is mail melange-soc@googlegroups.com with the link_id (top right of your screen) and tell them you are mistakenly registerd as a mentor
01:25.05ChrisOelmueller!learn apply-mentor as mail melange-soc@googlegroups.com with the link_id (top right of your screen) and tell them you are mistakenly registered as a mentor
01:25.06gsocbotChrisOelmueller: "apply-mentor" is (#1) mail melange-soc@googlegroups.com with the link_id (top right of your screen) and tell them you are mistakenly registerd as a mentor, or (#2) mail melange-soc@googlegroups.com with the link_id (top right of your screen) and tell them you are mistakenly registered as a mentor
01:25.14ChrisOelmueller!forget apply-mentor 1
01:25.14gsocbotChrisOelmueller: "apply-mentor" is mail melange-soc@googlegroups.com with the link_id (top right of your screen) and tell them you are mistakenly registered as a mentor
01:25.55Lennielol :)
01:25.59Lenniethanks guys!
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01:48.53jeetHI
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01:51.24jeetI am a student here in Us on F1 visa. Is it a requirement to apply for CPT in order to participate  in GSoC 2012 ?
01:51.38jeeta correction.. US
01:52.44Lennie!faq | jeet
01:52.45gsocbotjeet: "faq" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs
01:52.52Lennieit's in there
01:53.05jeetI read the FAQ already, it does not make it any clear.
01:53.35Lenniehttp://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs#F1
01:53.37Lenniereally it is
01:53.48LennieTalk to your uni
01:54.14jeetin FAQm all it says is this - "For F-1 students applying for CPT, Google will furnish you with a letter you can provide to your university to get CPT established once your application to the program has been accepted."
01:54.23Lennienope it says way more
01:54.30Lenniehttp://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs#F1
01:54.34LenniePlease talk to your international student affairs office for more details. In the past, students on an F1 visa have participated in Google Summer of Code through CPT, but you will need to check with your university to see what will work best.
01:54.58jeetI see. let me have the look at the link you provided.
01:55.11LennieIt's the FAQ :p
01:55.29Lennieanyway my busstop is up
01:55.30Lennieso I'm off
01:55.59jeetIt was at the last. sorry to bother you :P
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02:33.19klocatelliDoes updating an proposal give an alert or something to the org I'm applying to?
02:33.28klocatelli... hope not, heh
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02:35.10ojwbklocatelli: it does, unless they've disabled them
02:35.19klocatelliD:
02:35.50klocatelliyeah I wish I'd known about that sooner >.<
02:36.20tomprinceklocatelli: I wouldn't worry about.
02:41.35Gentlecatojwb: and what about comments?
02:41.55ojwbsame
02:42.09Gentlecatokay, good
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03:03.56nischayn22Hi, which is the best place to blog about gsoc activity for a student so that the mentor can keep track
03:04.56klocatelliwordpress, blogger, hell even github pages
03:05.08klocatellior any number of other places, really
03:05.43dberkholzwherever the mentor actually checks on a regular basis
03:13.29nischayn22klocatelli: how to do in github pages ? I might be using github for code so it might be a good place
03:13.55klocatellihttp://pages.github.com/
03:14.02nischayn22thanks
03:14.40klocatelliit's very useful since you can have your code under one branch and your documentation/progress log/website under the other
03:17.15nischayn22klocatelli: I think  I will prefer wp because I want a more comments based page where I can put queries and the mentor can comment and put suggestions
03:18.11klocatellithere are plugins for using disqus with gh-pages, but yeah WP is probably better
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05:50.27davidLas an admin, how do I join the mentors list?
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06:21.18kblindavidL: you should be added to it automatically
06:21.44kblindavidL: and by automatically, I mean "carol will add you to it manually"
06:21.58davidLkblin: oh. has that not happened for everyone yet?
06:22.58kblindavidL: no idea, I've been on that list for four years now. I think usually the adds happen after the students acceptance deadline
06:23.28kblinbecause that's when carol also needs to add all the students to the student mailing list and also the point where you can't add more mentors
06:23.30ojwbthere have been posts from new orgs, so unless they were mentoring elsewhere before, some have been added
06:23.46kblinhm, there's that
06:23.55davidLah, alright. some of my mentors were already added to the list, so I was wondering if I missed a step
06:24.00ojwbum,you can add mentors at any time (you might need to if one drops out)
06:24.45kblinojwb: oh? ok. never tried thta
06:24.56kblinso don't listen to me then :)
06:25.07kblingoes back to breakfast
06:25.11ojwbactually, I haven't, but I've told people it's true and nobody has come back and complained yet
06:25.52davidLso is it worth emailing Carol, or should I just wait?
06:26.49ojwbit's probably worth emailing her, though you aren't missing out on much
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06:27.31ojwbif you're an admin, you'll want to be on fairly soon
06:29.44davidLthanks
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07:19.14alinahello! should stundets also communicate with the mentoring organization during application period?
07:20.20klocatelliideally yes
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07:23.22alinaand if the organization does not reply, does it mean, that they already have better candidate for the project?
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07:25.11ojwbalina: how long has it been?
07:25.25alina3 days
07:25.28ojwbbear in mind most mentors are volunteers with jobs and lives
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07:27.00ojwbalina: if they've got an IRC channel, you could hop on and ask
07:27.14ojwbafter 3 days it doesn't see impatient I'd say
07:28.06alinaojwb: ok, i ll do it
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07:47.17mlankhorstSigh, why do some proposals look like they've been written by a markov chain generator :(
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07:51.51ojwbmlankhorst: maybe they've been machine translated?
07:52.30mlankhorstojwb: I mean, it's not even that the proposal's grammar was off, it was just insane..
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08:20.05pokoko222I have created a blog for old projects for which I will provide link to in my gsoc application
08:20.25pokoko222not to bother the mentors about how much details I should describe about the projects I will just send it as it is
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08:20.33pokoko222and if needed they can contact me later for more details
08:20.37pokoko222I think that is ok?
08:21.03pokoko222I try to bother them as little as possible for non-code related things
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08:21.51pokoko222but basically for each project I provide source code and summarize very short the main things I did
08:22.12mlankhorstpokoko222: makes sense, it's about your current proposal after all :)
08:22.45dharthi. can a melange admin please reconnect the username dhart with account dhart@opencog.org (hart@siai is defunct - username dhart_opencog is a throw-away). thanks!
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08:23.11pokoko222mlankhorst: I could describe algorithms and stuff in details you know... but I doubt they will bother to read it anyways :) this way I kept it simple and if they want more details they can contact me
08:23.51mlankhorstpokoko222: well for proposals themselves it makes sense to let them knwo what you know that can be relevant :)
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08:24.52pokoko222yes but for example I have a project with lots of linear algebra algorithms, what do you say about that? you cant describe each algorithm in details
08:24.57pokoko222you can only summarize
08:26.01mlankhorsttalk in rough details about how you plan to implement it and give a timeline, discussing on the mailinglists/irc helps too, people will remember that when you do :)
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08:26.26pokoko222mlankhorst: no no, I am talking about old projects
08:27.09pokoko222you need to provide old code for them to see what you have done before you know...
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08:31.17pokoko222mlankhorst: ?
08:32.07mlankhorstpokoko222: I would recommend googling on how to write proposals, should have a few good tips :)
08:33.25pokoko222yeah but I have not see one that talks about this
08:34.10mlankhorstdid you discuss your idea with the organization you want to apply at?
08:35.32pokoko222yep they like it, even suggested details about it for me to fill in
08:35.45mlankhorstthen do that :)
08:35.52pokoko222but you dont understand :)
08:36.10pokoko222I ask about writing about old projects, because they want to see your old projects
08:36.23pokoko222then you give link to that in the application
08:36.30pokoko222in my case a blog
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08:37.21pokoko222I am asking about the level of detail I need to describe those projects
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08:39.09John12Hello, can student submit same proposal to two different organizations ?
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08:40.17_hsrpokoko222, dude, it's your blog, you can write all you want and all you don't want
08:40.30_hsrthe readers will decide what to read and what not to
08:40.45pokoko222_hsr: ok dude :D
08:41.04Gentlecat_John12: How can it be the same?
08:41.06_hsrbut keep it technical imo
08:41.48_hsrpokoko222, also include cat pictures, some might fall for that
08:42.11pokoko222_hsr: the cat picture is the killer inded :)
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08:42.50pokoko222_hsr: I keep it technical and short so far, if they want details they can contact... if I were to include more details they might not bother to read so :D
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08:42.57pokoko222will leave them to ask for details if they want
08:43.24mlankhorstor just ask them..
08:43.56John12Gentlecat_, because they are academic projects which are suitable for both organizations. Do you think this might be a problem?
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08:44.36_hsrpokoko222, if your subject have different modules, I'd say you write in detail, about each one and link them all to a mother of all post
08:44.39mlankhorstJohn12: as in, it requires you to write code that uses components from both organizations?
08:44.51_hsralso I'd lose the blog and write a wiki
08:45.18pokoko222_hsr: nah I will stay with the blog but I like your idea
08:45.28ojwbJohn12: I'd talk to the orgs and check
08:45.31pokoko222I can keep it high level, and provide links to details
08:45.43_hsrexactly
08:46.07pokoko222thanks _hsr you solved the problem :D
08:46.09pokoko222beer?
08:46.15mlankhorst!beer
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08:46.45_hsrsure, anytime is fine time for beer :D
08:47.20pokoko222_hsr: but watch out I might bother you with more gsoc questions while you drink it :D
08:47.42_hsranother tip of mine would be focus on your current projet rather than going after blogs
08:48.30pokoko222_hsr: yes indeed, I am finishing up that now
08:48.32John12<Gentlecat_> <mlankhorst> It is more like the idea is academic and new. Thus, completely new code needs to be written.
08:49.20Gentlecat_But it can't be the same, can it?
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08:49.44Gentlecat_I mean, every org has it's own goals etc.
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08:51.08John12Gentlecat_ : I agree, however both organization have option for proposing a new idea. And they both like this idea.
08:51.34Gentlecat_Well, if they like it why not
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08:53.08John12I am just scared that google will say  that this is plagiarism or something.
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08:58.06mlankhorstplagiarism is stealing of other's idea
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09:00.40John12mlankhorst :Well, I tried to ask Google directly but not much luck so far. Anyway if you think the student wont be penalized for that then it can be done (because as you said it is not stealing other's idea).
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09:01.51mlankhorstI wouldn't know, have to ask carols
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09:02.39John12Thanks for your help anyway. I will try to do that.
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10:17.52jigari want to apply as a student for gsoc 2012. But when i login with my google account account it says i cannot apply as a student because i have applied as a mentor/ organization administrator. I remember registering for gsoc some time back which i guess mistaken as a mentor or organization admin. But i want to apply as a student. Is there a way to revert the changes and apply as a student?
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10:22.02dhaunjigar: yes, post your link_id in http://groups.google.com/group/melange-soc and explain what happened (see discussions there)
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10:36.31gevaertsdhart: I think you're going to get a faster response if you ask in melange or send mail to melange-soc@googlegroups.com
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12:12.59harshit14i had a question...can we use SPARQL with any wiki?
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12:21.13bluezdhi,all I have submited my proposal to Gsoc website .how can I make my proposal review by others ?
12:21.23|Kev|But the org, you mean?
12:21.27|Kev|That happens automatically.
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12:21.43|Kev|And if you want people outside the org - choose to make it public, and give the link to anyone you want to see it.
12:23.07bluezd|Kev|: I can modify it before the deadline ?
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12:23.30|Kev|Yes.
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12:24.33bluezd|Kev|: I want to see others proposal ,where can I get it ?
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12:53.46d34th4ck3rcan we get recommendation letter from gsoc program ?
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12:55.53SukhEd34th4ck3r: Yes, from your mentor.
12:56.41d34th4ck3rSukhE: so, that will be personal recommendation letter or from the organization or from google ?
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12:58.21kolyaflashd34th4ck3r, from org. And certificate from Google.
12:59.01d34th4ck3rkolyaflash: Thanks.
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14:25.02atneikhello everyone!
14:25.07m1k3yhey atneik
14:25.34atneikMy account shows link_id: atneik, is this normal? I heard somewhere  link_id is long gone.
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14:28.18SukhEatneik: That is the right link_id. And no, it's not long.
14:28.20|Kev|link_id is alive and well to the best of my knowledge.
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14:29.16atneikSukhE: ok good. I thought something is wrong with my account. Thanks!
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14:58.01|Kev|I had forgotten how absolutely knackering this period of GSoC is.
14:58.08|Kev|yawns
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14:59.38ashfall|Kev|: Totally. :-|
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15:21.21ousadois google a freenode sponsor?
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15:21.55gevaertsousado: #freenode might be a better place to ask that
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15:30.56ousadogevaerts: this looks like an official channel closely related to google, I think whoever decided to use resources provided by an organization like freenode for an organization like google should know.
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15:33.36gevaertsousado: I can't say if the google people involved in google summer of code know, but I can say that even if they know, you're unlikely to find them here outside of business hours anyway
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18:00.36pc_magasGood Evening Can I submint my proposals sa student into more than one orgs?
18:00.53ThomasWaldmannsure
18:01.32ThomasWaldmannpc_magas: but keep in mind that few high quality proposals likely work out better than many low qualitiy ones
18:01.45pc_magasWhat happens if AI get accepted into mora than one orgs?
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18:02.21ThomasWaldmannthere will be a conflict resolution session between the orgs. you might get asked what you prefer then.
18:02.39ThomasWaldmannbut you should be willing to do any projects you propose, of course.
18:02.49tomprince^---- But you may not.
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18:03.51pc_magasHow can I have High quality proposals
18:03.52pc_magas?
18:04.12ThomasWaldmannuse the orgs template for applying
18:04.30ThomasWaldmanngive own ideas about the project you propose
18:04.38ThomasWaldmannmake a timeline for your project
18:05.02ThomasWaldmanntell about details, show insights
18:05.27ThomasWaldmanntalk with the org about your ideas
18:06.07ThomasWaldmannbe honest
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18:08.04Applifyshould i be worried if i havent received any comments on my proposal which i submitted about 3-4 days back?
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18:08.38ThomasWaldmannApplify: that's hard to say without knowing the proposal or the org
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18:09.03Applifyive submitted to two different orgs, none commented.
18:09.23Applifyone did acknowledge in an email that they received it, but thats all.
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18:09.54ThomasWaldmann(my org has received one proposal and i commented because it did not contain enough information)
18:10.09Applifyi see...
18:10.36Applifywell i made quite a detailed one IMO...
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18:11.16ThomasWaldmannApplify: you can just ask them whether they like to discuss about it
18:11.44Applifyi sent them a mail asking for that. No reply. They dont have an IRC either...
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18:12.15tomprinceWhat org?
18:12.29Applifyopen311
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18:12.53Applifythey did say they are new and need time...but im almost abt to run out of time...
18:13.10Applifyi guess ill just have to sit tight.
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18:13.37tomprinceWell, they will take into account the fact they haven't responded, when evaluating prosposals.
18:13.54tomprinceAlso, make sure that you get your application in melange well before the deadline.
18:14.09Applifyyes I already have. 3 days back
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18:14.18ApplifyIm waiting for any comments on that
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18:14.48braverockApplify: I would also see if the org you applied to has some other preferred communications channels, e.g. irc, other mailing lists, etc.  many projects ask that students introduce themselves in these venues
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18:15.35Applifywell, they are new so they have none of those. Their mailing list isnt intended for gsoc...ive communicated via email though...
18:16.33braverockthen the best advice I can give is to continue to go thorugh your applications and see where *you* think they can be improved, and make those improvements incrementally
18:17.16Applifyyes I think ill do that. Although Ive already done some revisions on it.
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18:19.10Jedilancehey everybody
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18:20.06kolyaflashJedilance, hi
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18:20.32Jedilancehow are you?
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18:21.05kolyaflashJedilance, i'm fine. and you?
18:21.33Jedilancethank you i'm also fine.
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18:21.51justarchiti have an idea for gsoc 12
18:21.54Jedilanceis here same with irc://irc.freenode.net/gsoc
18:21.57Jedilancehi
18:22.55justarchitit is related to user interface and smartphones
18:23.09justarchitwhere shall i idscuss about it
18:23.28braverockjustarchit: you would need to propose your idea to a participating organization that might be interested in it
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18:25.01justarchiti tried in OpenIntenrts and NUI
18:25.10justarchitbut no dev response yet
18:25.32justarchit*OpenIntents and Natural User Interface group
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18:26.04justarchitcan it be discussed here?
18:26.12justarchitsince it pertains to gsoc
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18:26.54justarchitbraverock?
18:26.58klocatelliyour idea is independent of the organization?
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18:27.05ThomasWaldmannjustarchit: well, i don't think it makes sense to go into details here, but if you want to post a one line teaser to see if someone is interested, go on :)
18:27.06braverockwell, your area of interest isn't my area, so I can't really comment specifically.  but typically, successful GSoC applicants either apply to a project idea that an organization has on their ideas page, or they propose some other requested feature or extension to the open source softwar that the org develops
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18:27.40justarchitwell.. the idea in few words is .. like making a game controller using android phone..
18:28.05justarchitit is technically possible imho.. so i dont know y it hasnt been done yet
18:28.53justarchitsay connecting android phone to pc using wifi.. and using its motion sensors and touchscreen to play games like NFS, Fifa etc
18:28.59klocatelliwasn't there something for the iphone doing that a couple days ago?
18:29.15ThomasWaldmannjustarchit: did you ask at catroids?
18:29.45justarchitcatroids.. no.. but thats for programing platform for kids rit?
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18:30.31ThomasWaldmann(it's not a perfect match, but iirc i saw some guy on a conference controlling a quadcopter using catroids)
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18:31.45justarchiti jsut saw catroid's gsoc page
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18:32.59justarchiti think i would like to develop a generic software package for it.. onwhich support for various games genres can be added
18:33.37justarchitso which org should i propose this idea to?
18:34.21justarchitthe idea arose from the need to play NFS, (without buying a XBox360 ) controller for connecting to pc
18:34.28ThomasWaldmannjustarchit: maybe filter by tag "android" and ask these?
18:34.33atermenjiCatroid allows to control Lego NXT, quadcopter and there is also unfinished Arduino support afaik
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18:35.41justarchitThomas: i filtered the orgs by android... and thought OpenINtents and NUI could be interested in this proj... tried posting the idea on their forum... but no response yet from any dev
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18:41.55justarchitposted in the irc of catroid too
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18:58.05ThomasWaldmannjustarchit: your only other option is maybe applying to google itself. if you have something very interesting that fits nowhere else.
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19:04.06tomprinceWhile that is possible, I think you'd probably need to still find a mentor, and have and *outstanding* proposal.
19:04.36braverockyeah, seems more likely to fit with one of the android orgs
19:05.14tomprinceYou are much more likely to have a propsal accepted by an existing org, than coming up with your own new project.
19:05.53ThomasWaldmannyeah. otoh, i guess there are android people at google. :D
19:05.59tomprincegsoc is more about getting people involved with existing open source projects, than funding people to start new projects.
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19:07.57justarchitoh i see
19:08.07justarchitbut this is open source work...
19:08.14justarchitwhich i wish to do..
19:08.48justarchitof course i could make profit from it if i go closed source...  but that would defect the purpose of the app
19:08.56justarchit*defeat
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19:12.15justarchiti am discussing the idea on catrodi irc
19:12.23justarchitthanks for the help
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19:19.09pranjal70Submitting an appliocation at this point.. Is it too late??
19:19.39|Kev|No.
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19:20.07pranjal70But I have heard that we have to talk to orgs, and without being in touch with them, its difficult
19:20.36|Kev|You've still got ages.
19:20.38|Kev|6 days IIRC.
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19:21.52Fatbagsome orgs like you to do qualification tasks before sending your application
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19:23.03pranjal70ok.. thanks.. I was really worried
19:23.52tomprincepranjal70: But you shouldn't delay, either.
19:24.24|Kev|Fatbag: Plenty of time for that too.
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20:31.15pokoko222is it ok to send commit updates to mailing list?
20:31.21pokoko222to let others know what you work on
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20:32.45pokoko222I update code on github and so far, I send links on mailing list only if I do something big
20:33.14kblinwhy do you keep asking this stuff in here. this clearly depends on the project you're working with
20:33.17pokoko222I dont want to bother people with things like " I fixed wrong type conversion ..." or what not
20:33.33pokoko222I thought this is all part of gsoc ethics :)
20:33.35pokoko222ok sorry
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21:25.38ojwb!apply-mentor
21:25.38gsocbotojwb: "apply-mentor" is mail melange-soc@googlegroups.com with the link_id (top right of your screen) and tell them you are mistakenly registered as a mentor
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