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| 01:42.04 | TheAlphaNerd | so I'm looking at the GSOC page and I'm only seeing the option to apply as a mentor… not as a student… is anyone else seeing this? |
| 01:44.21 | wtachi | !apply-mentor | TheAlphaNerd |
| 01:44.21 | gsocbot | TheAlphaNerd: "apply-mentor" is mail melange-soc@googlegroups.com with the link_id (top right of your screen) and tell them you are mistakenly registered as a mentor |
| 01:45.00 | wtachi | seems to be a common problem this year |
| 01:45.06 | TheAlphaNerd | thanks |
| 01:45.08 | wtachi | np |
| 01:45.26 | TheAlphaNerd | I didn't realize I did that |
| 01:45.33 | TheAlphaNerd | had same account as last year |
| 01:45.40 | TheAlphaNerd | ah well… better to catch this now than mid week :P |
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| 01:46.08 | wtachi | definitely |
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| 03:17.53 | Gentlecat | !logs |
| 03:17.53 | gsocbot | Gentlecat: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
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| 03:41.47 | o0o0o | _o_o_ oOo _o_o_ |
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| 03:42.36 | summatusmentis | o0o0o: you've been warned about that before |
| 03:47.28 | o0o0o | summatusmentis, its just a hi. I have been warned about it? |
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| 03:55.44 | summatusmentis | o0o0o: I'm pretyt sure carols warned you at least once |
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| 04:00.52 | o0o0o | summatusmentis, there was once she said 'thank you' about it and asked to keep on topic i think because of current nice recent conversations at time |
| 04:01.54 | summatusmentis | the point is, it's spammy |
| 04:02.02 | o0o0o | it is quite often when someone says 'hi' here |
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| 04:02.55 | o0o0o | this conversations is more spammy than _o_o_ oOo _o_o_ along the whole year |
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| 04:03.30 | o0o0o | summatusmentis, but i apologize if its not seen as nice :-) |
| 04:04.59 | barrbrain | o0o0o: curiously, how do you usually sign off? |
| 04:05.56 | o0o0o | brb |
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| 04:11.56 | arthursribeiro | !next |
| 04:11.57 | gsocbot | arthursribeiro: "next" is Apr 6 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. |
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| 04:39.06 | o0o0o | barrbrain, why? |
| 04:39.53 | barrbrain | o0o0o: I was hoping for a complement to _o_o_ oOo _o_o_ |
| 04:41.10 | o0o0o | barrbrain, -_-_- _|_ -_-_- |
| 04:41.15 | barrbrain | o0o0o: in this channel, I think 'hi' and 'bye' are accepted and jumping straight into conversation preferred. |
| 04:41.52 | o0o0o | barrbrain, oka, we are into it now |
| 04:42.36 | o0o0o | and what makes u think an intervention of 1 or 2 speaks for this channel? |
| 04:42.37 | barrbrain | having said that, it's pretty quiet atm. so it makes for idle conversation. :) |
| 04:42.49 | o0o0o | yeah |
| 04:42.54 | o0o0o | :-) |
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| 07:13.25 | ojwb | !apply-mentor |
| 07:13.25 | gsocbot | ojwb: "apply-mentor" is mail melange-soc@googlegroups.com with the link_id (top right of your screen) and tell them you are mistakenly registered as a mentor |
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| 07:16.17 | ojwb | second mentor request I've had which was clearly from someone wanting to be a student... |
| 07:17.05 | |Kev| | ojwb: An easy filtering function? |
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| 07:17.44 | ojwb | maybe, it seems to be happening a lot judging from the traffic here |
| 07:17.58 | ojwb | if the UI is genuinely confusing, that's a bit different |
| 07:18.11 | |Kev| | True. |
| 07:18.13 | ojwb | sadly I can't see what it looks like though |
| 07:18.19 | ojwb | is there a test instance this year? |
| 07:18.25 | ojwb | i asked on #melange and got no response |
| 07:18.42 | |Kev| | You can see, though - just launch an incognito* window and look at the homepage. |
| 07:18.51 | |Kev| | [*Or whatever function for your preferred browser] |
| 07:19.52 | |Kev| | http://hector.doomsong.co.uk/scratch/studentmentor.png |
| 07:20.58 | solardiz | doesn't look confusing to me, but maybe someone's English is so poor that they don't understand the word mentor? |
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| 07:22.22 | ojwb | |Kev|: ah, true - the case I was wanting to look at was after you'd become a student in the system |
| 07:22.32 | |Kev| | solardiz: If their English is sufficiently bad that they can't parse that segment, I think an org would need to find a mentor with a different (common) language te mentor them. |
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| 07:22.44 | |Kev| | ojwb: Once you've become a [student|mentor] in the system, the other options are unavailable to you. |
| 07:23.11 | ojwb | |Kev|: yes, I know - I mean when I asked if there was a test system this year |
| 07:23.28 | |Kev| | And they must have read the mentor agreement, it's not like they could have just slip-clicked once. |
| 07:24.13 | ojwb | and the org page is similarly clear |
| 07:24.36 | |Kev| | Maybe I'm not very forgiving at 8am :) |
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| 08:14.52 | sankarshan | Are the organization mentors expected to score the proposals even when the window of proposal submissions is open or, is it expected that they would wait till the window closes thus allowing this time to be utilized for fine tuning and making a stronger proposal available for discussion and scoring ? |
| 08:15.07 | sankarshan | Or, should I ask this on the mentors list ? |
| 08:15.18 | sankarshan | is an org admin for a first time org participant |
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| 08:18.27 | solardiz | sankarshan: i think that's up to you. if you choose to score the proposals now, then i think you (or your mentors - whoever does the scoring) will want to revisit these preliminary scores later and make adjustments as necessary. |
| 08:19.07 | sankarshan | solardiz, thank you. that is probably what I was looking for. |
| 08:19.30 | solardiz | sankarshan: in fact, i think the scoring process is optional. it is just a tool that the org may or may not use. (but yes, there are general expectations that the tool is actually made use of.) |
| 08:19.35 | gevaerts | sankarshan: technically you don't even have to score at all. You can reach a consensus in any way you want. The important thing is that at the end you (the admin) mark some proposals as accepted |
| 08:19.37 | sankarshan | As a follow up, when does the organization generally get to know the available slots for this year ? |
| 08:19.41 | |Kev| | sankarshan: I think it's useful to do so, but it's up to you. |
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| 08:20.00 | |Kev| | sankarshan: That changes over time - you get a provisional number, and this moves around a bit during dedup etc. |
| 08:20.18 | sankarshan | gevaerts, |Kev| - thank you ... this is of much help. |
| 08:21.30 | |Kev| | FWIW, I started scoring proposals this morning. |
| 08:21.58 | |Kev| | For one thing, scoring proposals starts a dialog with the mentors that can also lead to more discussion with the students - and the earlier this happens the better. |
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| 08:22.41 | solardiz | sankarshan: regarding slot count, as a first year org you should expect to receive 2 slots by default unless you ask for only 1. |
| 08:23.02 | |Kev| | solardiz: Is that true for this year again? |
| 08:23.08 | |Kev| | !slots |
| 08:23.08 | gsocbot | |Kev|: "slots" is (#1) Slot allocation is done manually by Chris DiBona and Carol Smith, be a good org, play nice on the mentor list and #gsoc, ask for a non-crazy-high number of slots, and you'll probably get what you ask. Note that non-crazy-high for new orgs is around 1 or 2., or (#2) http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/NotesonStudentAllocations |
| 08:23.15 | |Kev| | But yes, 1 or 2 :) |
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| 08:24.12 | solardiz | Kev: indeed, i can't know for sure whether anything is expected to change this year or not |
| 08:25.13 | solardiz | Kev: also, "by default" is one thing and the final slot count is another (if slots are returned to the pool by other orgs, a few might be added to new orgs even) |
| 08:25.44 | solardiz | that was more of a comment to sankarshan |
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| 09:34.54 | kholerabbi_ | hey, I'm a student in Australia and my holidays are from 23 June to 32 July |
| 09:34.57 | kholerabbi_ | 23 * |
| 09:35.22 | kholerabbi_ | But I'm having trouble finding the GSOC dates to see if they overlap |
| 09:36.40 | brik | if you look at the link in topic, there's a "PROGRAM TIMELINE" on the right hand side |
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| 09:46.23 | |Kev| | !timeline | kholerabbi_ |
| 09:46.23 | gsocbot | kholerabbi_: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2012 |
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| 12:29.33 | flungo | hi, just reading though the eligibility and wondering if its worth continuing past the first point if my 18th Birthday is on the 28th April? Really annoying because I would love to take part. |
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| 12:31.34 | sfb | flungo: You must be 18 years of age or older on or before April 23, 2012 to be eligible to participate in Google Summer of Code in 2012. |
| 12:32.01 | flungo | :( suppose I have to wait another year |
| 12:32.12 | flungo | thanks anyway. 5 days off... Quite annoying.... |
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| 13:51.29 | JordiGH | Huh, there's one project that is excessively popular for my org. |
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| 13:51.44 | |Kev| | JordiGH: The first in the list, presumably. |
| 13:52.15 | aghisla | you could have a Javascript ideas page that shuffles entries |
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| 13:52.42 | JordiGH | Actually, I think it looks like the easiest project. |
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| 13:53.01 | JordiGH | Or perhaps it's the only one that mentions a programming language in its title. |
| 13:53.24 | JordiGH | I wonder if they realise that the project is to port from bash to Python. |
| 13:53.41 | mrcasals | lol |
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| 13:53.43 | JordiGH | lol |
| 13:54.41 | gevaerts | JordiGH: why? I'd go the other way! |
| 13:54.44 | gevaerts | hides |
| 13:55.07 | JordiGH | I guess you're just trading one the whitespace thing for another twt. |
| 13:55.30 | JordiGH | I find bash's twt a bit more bizarre, though. |
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| 13:56.40 | JordiGH | Oh, nice, proposal says free software instead of open source. |
| 13:56.46 | JordiGH | Someone did their homework. ~:) |
| 13:57.04 | JordiGH | Gotta look out for these shibbol33ts. |
| 13:57.07 | gevaerts | JordiGH: possibly "In this project, you can learn Python" does it. |
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| 13:57.47 | JordiGH | gevaerts: Y'know, that one popular project might actually work well as a Python learning experience. |
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| 13:58.08 | JordiGH | It's certainly how I've learned at least some Python, porting old bash abominations into Python abominations. |
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| 13:58.31 | gevaerts | should learn some python one of these days |
| 13:58.40 | JordiGH | I feel the same way about Ruby. |
| 13:58.48 | gevaerts | But then the most recent code I've changed was php :) |
| 13:58.57 | JordiGH | No shame in that. |
| 13:59.05 | JordiGH | Some of my best friends are PHP. |
| 13:59.18 | JordiGH | PHP happens to everybody. It's no big deal. |
| 13:59.25 | JordiGH | We're all here for you, man. |
| 13:59.32 | mrcasals | like a flu, don't worry |
| 13:59.33 | gevaerts | It was rather easy though. The apache log said which line was wrong, so it was just a matter of figuring out where exactly to add the ")" :) |
| 13:59.35 | mrcasals | it'll go |
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| 14:04.48 | JordiGH | Sigh, "send my IP to my mentor". |
| 14:04.57 | JordiGH | And we were doing so well in the homework department... |
| 14:05.08 | JordiGH | Oh! |
| 14:05.11 | JordiGH | He did mean IP address! |
| 14:05.12 | JordiGH | My bad. |
| 14:05.44 | dadkins | is "127.0.0.1" an acceptable answer? |
| 14:05.49 | JordiGH | Heh. |
| 14:06.08 | Al_Da_Best | I prefer 255.255.255.0 |
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| 14:06.33 | JordiGH | When did it become impossible to ping the entire internet? |
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| 14:06.47 | mrcasals | yesterday |
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| 14:10.05 | roccivic | !orgs |
| 14:10.05 | gsocbot | roccivic: "orgs" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2012 |
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| 14:21.05 | janekw | hi aaall |
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| 14:22.20 | sharvey | hello |
| 14:22.25 | janekw | GSoC FAQ says that "new work must be done for the project as part of participation in Google Summer of Code" |
| 14:23.03 | janekw | what about starting coding earlier? |
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| 14:23.55 | janekw | i.e. i wrote my application, and it would be good if i could start coding it right now, even before accepted students are announced |
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| 14:24.43 | janekw | (that's because my exams will require me to reduce GSoC activity in June) |
| 14:25.31 | janekw | of course, i risk that my application might be rejected and i won't get money for my work - but i can accept that risk |
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| 14:26.44 | janekw | so, some of the code will be written before May 21st - technically before program starts - but it will be written for GSoC |
| 14:27.04 | |Kev| | Talk to your org. |
| 14:27.10 | janekw | is it a problem? Will it affect my application? |
| 14:27.23 | Michitux | janekw: I would also talk to the organization. starting as early as when the accepted students are announced is definitely okay if the organization is okay with that. |
| 14:27.24 | janekw | so Google doesn't care about it? |
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| 14:27.29 | |Kev| | Orgs are very understanding about term times not aligning with GSoC. |
| 14:28.08 | janekw | (actually, i want to start two weeks *before* accepted students are announced) |
| 14:29.05 | janekw | i think my org won't have any objections, but i'd like to make sure that it won't raise any formal problems |
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| 14:31.26 | janekw | shall i write to some specific Google person to be sure? |
| 14:31.37 | thiago | write to your org |
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| 14:31.52 | janekw | ok |
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| 14:32.13 | pokoko222 | how could I compete with a guy with masters that suggests more advanced algorithms? :( |
| 14:32.30 | thiago | pokoko222: why would you have to compete with that guy? |
| 14:32.41 | pokoko222 | we are going for the same idea on the project |
| 14:32.48 | pokoko222 | one will be picked |
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| 14:33.42 | pokoko222 | he has not coded anything yet though and I have lots of code already... |
| 14:34.09 | pokoko222 | hopefully he is one of those theory-only dudes :D |
| 14:34.18 | pokoko222 | if so I will beat him with coding |
| 14:34.22 | thiago | that's how you compete then |
| 14:34.38 | pokoko222 | yes that is my strong side and he seems to be stronger in the theory part but not so in coding |
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| 14:34.49 | |Kev| | GSoC really isn't about beating anyone. |
| 14:35.00 | pokoko222 | |Kev|: well yes but one will be picked |
| 14:35.06 | |Kev| | That's not guaranteed. |
| 14:35.14 | thiago | maybe neither will be picked |
| 14:35.20 | |Kev| | Or both. |
| 14:35.30 | JordiGH | There will be no beatings in GSoC? |
| 14:35.32 | pokoko222 | there are not enough spots for both |
| 14:35.41 | pokoko222 | only one shall survive :D |
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| 14:36.19 | pokoko222 | I wish there were but... google did not gave them much |
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| 14:36.43 | |Kev| | Google hasn't handed out any slots yet. |
| 14:36.52 | thiago | two students are never selected for the same project |
| 14:36.55 | atermenji | you can play stone-scissore-paper |
| 14:37.03 | |Kev| | thiago: On what do you base that? It's allowed. |
| 14:37.15 | pokoko222 | |Kev|: hmm I heard spots are given already |
| 14:37.15 | thiago | so if you want to increase your chances of being selected, submit more than one proposal |
| 14:37.25 | pokoko222 | thiago: yes indeed |
| 14:37.26 | thiago | |Kev|: past experience |
| 14:37.33 | |Kev| | thiago: And it's also fine for the org to ask one student to work on a different project than the one they applied for. |
| 14:37.33 | thiago | |Kev|: it's not forbidden, but it doesn't happen |
| 14:37.59 | sharvey | you could also propose a similar but not quite the same project |
| 14:38.04 | sharvey | maybe one that involves more code |
| 14:38.14 | pokoko222 | |Kev|: when are spots given? |
| 14:38.26 | |Kev| | !timeline | pokoko222 |
| 14:38.26 | gsocbot | pokoko222: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2012 |
| 14:38.31 | braverock | thiago: it all depends on the org whether two students are selected for the same project. I've seen it happen. |
| 14:38.41 | pokoko222 | hmm I thought spots are fixed and given once an org is chosen |
| 14:38.52 | thiago | pokoko222: not really |
| 14:38.58 | pokoko222 | ok it makes sense |
| 14:38.59 | braverock | no, slots will be assigned after the student application process closes |
| 14:39.04 | thiago | pokoko222: the slots are chosen based on how many the org asks for and how many google thinks they should get |
| 14:39.05 | pokoko222 | got it |
| 14:39.15 | braverock | orgs don't yet know how many slots they will get from Google |
| 14:39.21 | |Kev| | pokoko222: The slots won't be final until after the dedup meeting. |
| 14:39.32 | |Kev| | Not until the students are announced, in practical terms. |
| 14:39.45 | kai | thiago: if I have a more research style project and two students propose completely different approaches, why wouldn't I take both? |
| 14:39.56 | kai | thiago: assuming I've got enough slots, of course |
| 14:39.57 | pokoko222 | so if there are really good students that the org suggests to google, then it is more probable the org to get more spots right? |
| 14:40.15 | pokoko222 | kai yes that is true too |
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| 14:40.34 | pokoko222 | they could pick us both, I am stronger with the coding part and the other guy is more theory strong since he is masters |
| 14:40.49 | thiago | kai: I still think it's unlikely. Students are not supposed to depend on each other's work and work on the same project. |
| 14:40.50 | kai | anyway, it's all about the org's selection criteria |
| 14:41.01 | thiago | kai: two projects implementing the same goals would be fine, through two different approaches. |
| 14:41.10 | flaushy | !slots |
| 14:41.10 | gsocbot | flaushy: "slots" is (#1) Slot allocation is done manually by Chris DiBona and Carol Smith, be a good org, play nice on the mentor list and #gsoc, ask for a non-crazy-high number of slots, and you'll probably get what you ask. Note that non-crazy-high for new orgs is around 1 or 2., or (#2) http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/NotesonStudentAllocations |
| 14:42.01 | pokoko222 | the org i am interested is not new |
| 14:42.07 | pokoko222 | hopefully they will get at least 3 spots |
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| 14:44.27 | JordiGH | Huh, Twitter isn't responding to queries from students? |
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| 14:45.58 | downey | JordiGH: Maybe you've got to Tweet them. |
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| 14:47.23 | downey | JordiGH: Seeing as that's what it says on their org profile page. :) |
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| 14:58.34 | janekw | when i submit application via melange, can it be modified afterwards or will it be the final version? I don't see info about this in FAQ. |
| 14:58.44 | |Kev| | !edit |
| 14:58.44 | gsocbot | |Kev|: "edit" is Students can edit proposals up until the application deadline. Mentors can allow students to edit proposals on a case-by-case basis after the deadline. Note that comments on proposals can _not_ be edited after submitting. |
| 14:58.45 | JordiGH | !edit |
| 14:58.46 | gsocbot | JordiGH: "edit" is Students can edit proposals up until the application deadline. Mentors can allow students to edit proposals on a case-by-case basis after the deadline. Note that comments on proposals can _not_ be edited after submitting. |
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| 14:58.49 | JordiGH | Dammit, too slow. |
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| 14:59.50 | janekw | thanks! |
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| 15:01.49 | ardahal | !next |
| 15:01.50 | gsocbot | ardahal: "next" is Apr 6 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. |
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| 16:11.18 | kimbo | Hi folks, Is it too late to candidate for GSOC 2012 ? I know students appliations are due friday. But given I haven't started talking with any org... is it too late ? |
| 16:11.55 | |Kev| | You should still have enough time. |
| 16:12.04 | |Kev| | You may need to put some effort in, at this poin. |
| 16:12.06 | |Kev| | +t |
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| 16:12.38 | kimbo | I mean, making a proposal within 4-5 days is reasonable.. But would any org want student who haven't approached them so far.. |
| 16:12.39 | kimbo | ? |
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| 16:12.58 | |Kev| | You would probably need to approach them soonish. |
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| 16:13.59 | dadkins | I just had a potential student introduce himself this morning on IRC, so you wouldn't be alone |
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| 16:16.43 | kimbo | dadkins: Thanks, That's good to know. So what chances do you give to that student |
| 16:17.06 | |Kev| | That'd hardly be appropriate to answer now, would it? :p |
| 16:17.27 | dadkins | and i haven't seen a proposal yet, so i will abstain :) |
| 16:18.06 | dadkins | i will say he had some interesting project ideas that no one else had brought up yet, so i am eagerly awaiting his proposal |
| 16:19.28 | kimbo | dadkins: Just for curiousity - What's your org? |
| 16:20.16 | kimbo | curiosity* |
| 16:21.08 | dadkins | kimbo: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/google/gsoc2012/osgeo |
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| 16:21.43 | kimbo | dadkins: thanks :) |
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| 16:29.44 | bomat | hiya |
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| 16:32.25 | bomat | do you need to be a student for gsoc |
| 16:32.42 | |Kev| | Yes. |
| 16:32.42 | dhruvasagar | billnye: btw, should I /bind meta2-1;9D or ^[[1;9D !? |
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| 16:35.40 | dadkins | !faq | bomat |
| 16:35.40 | gsocbot | bomat: "faq" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs |
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| 16:35.57 | bomat | ty |
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| 17:33.31 | budili | Hey, i have a question: |
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| 17:33.34 | budili | What kind of documentation is from the students required ?? |
| 17:34.16 | JordiGH | budili: It's up to the org. |
| 17:34.32 | JordiGH | They might not want any at all, but typically you'll be required to document at least a little. |
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| 17:35.16 | budili | okay, for example the enrollment for the University ?? |
| 17:35.47 | buffyg | Enrollment info needs to be passed on to Google to confirm eligibility. |
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| 17:37.05 | JordiGH | Oh, that kind of documents. |
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| 17:37.14 | zhulikas | when do I need to provide the documents? |
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| 17:37.21 | zhulikas | with an application? |
| 17:37.26 | zhulikas | until 6th of April? |
| 17:37.35 | JordiGH | wonders if the non-nerd world means "paperwork" when they say "documentation". |
| 17:37.43 | JordiGH | And I'm just not used to hearing that anymore. |
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| 17:40.03 | budili | zhulikas: when do I need to provide the documents? --> yes, that's my question too, i have created the account, specifiy my university and now ?? need Google more docs about me and the university ?? |
| 17:40.12 | marchael | in previous year I was provied scan of my student card |
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| 17:40.23 | buffyg | IIRC you need to identify yourself as in an eligible program with an eligible university, but the docs aren't required until after being admitted. |
| 17:40.57 | buffyg | Have you checked the FAQ? |
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| 17:42.33 | budili | buffyg: ok, thx |
| 17:42.36 | buffyg | "You should be prepared, upon request, to provide Google with transcripts or other documentation from your accredited institution as proof of enrollment or admission status. Computer Science does not need to be your field of study in order to participate in the program." |
| 17:42.53 | buffyg | That's from the FAQ. |
| 17:43.15 | zhulikas | ok, I see |
| 17:43.16 | zhulikas | thanks |
| 17:43.25 | zhulikas | I read it a while ago and wasn't sure atm |
| 17:43.57 | budili | okay, nice |
| 17:44.20 | sfb | kblin: poing |
| 17:46.24 | vperic | Is it just me or are Google Groups kind of down? Can't seem to browse the mailing lists at all? |
| 17:47.05 | budili | vperic: yes, i have the same problem. |
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| 17:48.58 | Lennie | I can confirm that there are issues with Google Groups atm :), I'm sure they are working hard on fixing it |
| 17:49.26 | budili | Lennie: sure ! |
| 17:49.28 | budili | :D |
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| 17:50.57 | vperic | Really makes it hard to see what the "competition" is up to. ;) |
| 17:51.03 | kblin | Lennie: I'm sure someone already reported a bug about the "requests for my organizations" list not applying the "needs action" filter until you unapply and reapply it, right? |
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| 17:51.19 | Lennie | Yes I did |
| 17:51.38 | kblin | great, thanks |
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| 17:51.50 | Lennie | http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=1494 kblin |
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| 17:52.56 | kblin | Lennie: thanks, starred |
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| 17:53.30 | vperic | Google Groups seem to be back up, too. |
| 17:54.02 | vperic | or not |
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| 18:00.40 | allman | gsoc |
| 18:01.21 | kblin | allman: right you are :) |
| 18:01.30 | kblin | and hello :) |
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| 18:02.21 | thebolt | hi kblin , allman et al |
| 18:02.52 | kblin | hey thebolt :) |
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| 18:02.55 | allman | Hi -Happy Monday! |
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| 18:03.11 | gevaerts | There is no such thing! |
| 18:03.12 | zhulikas | sure, let's start celebrating Mondays now |
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| 18:03.40 | allman | Does everyone know about the GSoC Student Google+ Hangout this afternoon? |
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| 18:03.56 | klocatelli | I didn't |
| 18:04.26 | allman | Okay, that was "tongue in cheek" as we say in America, aka kidding ;) |
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| 18:04.33 | kblin | me neither, but I think I don't really qualify as a student anymore |
| 18:04.43 | zhulikas | why not? |
| 18:04.54 | allman | kblin: true :) |
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| 18:05.15 | pokoko222 | is it ok to send the proposal now for review? |
| 18:05.21 | pokoko222 | i see people send stuff on mailing list |
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| 18:06.19 | pokoko222 | I mean, I have it finished but i don't know if i should send it and ask the mentor for comments |
| 18:06.25 | kblin | zhulikas: I'm an administrator for two orgs |
| 18:06.29 | allman | Please do apply as early as you are ready. Students who wait until the last minute to submit their proposals run the risk of Internet snafus. We do not accept any proposals after the deadline! |
| 18:06.40 | zhulikas | pokoko222, I didn't send it yet because I sent it multiple times to my mentor already |
| 18:06.45 | xsergio | !timeline |
| 18:06.45 | gsocbot | xsergio: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2012 |
| 18:06.48 | zhulikas | and he suggests me on improvements |
| 18:07.05 | zhulikas | I suggest you do the same |
| 18:07.08 | pokoko222 | zhulikas: so it is normal to send proposal before deadline to mentor to get some feedback? |
| 18:07.15 | zhulikas | I don't know |
| 18:07.25 | kblin | Lennie: I hope you get a student working on diffs for update notifications this year :) |
| 18:07.28 | zhulikas | I mean... I know who my mentor would be and I just sent him my proposal |
| 18:07.31 | zhulikas | and asked for feedback |
| 18:07.53 | pokoko222 | ok I will send it |
| 18:08.05 | zhulikas | so I will improve it before submitting an application |
| 18:08.09 | pokoko222 | right |
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| 18:08.27 | pokoko222 | when you think about it, it is him that will debate for you, for google to give you a spot |
| 18:08.35 | zhulikas | yep |
| 18:08.38 | pokoko222 | so you better have him agree with your proposal |
| 18:08.43 | zhulikas | true |
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| 18:10.00 | allman | Re todays GSoC Students Hangout - visit https://plus.google.com/u/0/101571483150813305324/posts at 3:30 pm PST. |
| 18:10.43 | kblin | aka in a bit over 4 hours, if you mean PDT |
| 18:10.51 | Lennie | kblin, use Gmail :P |
| 18:11.03 | kblin | Lennie: that has diffs? |
| 18:11.04 | Lennie | kblin, and extremely unlikely to happen |
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| 18:11.15 | allman | Chris Dibona will be online talking about GSoC. |
| 18:11.27 | allman | sorry "DiBona" |
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| 18:12.18 | kblin | that's a bit late for me anyway, so I don't feel too bad about being too old to participate :) |
| 18:13.06 | allman | kblin: "too old"? Our oldest GSoC student to date was 56 :) |
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| 18:14.05 | armaan | wot !! 56 |
| 18:14.14 | zhulikas | :D |
| 18:14.14 | armaan | col :) |
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| 18:14.18 | armaan | cool |
| 18:14.48 | kblin | allman: well, technically if I wasn't admining/mentoring, I could still participate as a student |
| 18:15.23 | zhulikas | what is the usual age for a student at gsoc? |
| 18:15.35 | kblin | I probably should have added a winking smilie instead |
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| 18:16.18 | kblin | Lennie: gmail doesn't have diffs either. :p |
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| 18:19.50 | allman | Average "age" - never ran the #s. It splits out roughly 80% undergrad, 15% Masters, 5% PhD. |
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| 19:33.05 | Mitar | what is "Extra columns" field in org template? |
| 19:35.39 | Ivanovic | depends on the org |
| 19:35.44 | Ivanovic | this template is 100% org specific |
| 19:35.55 | Ivanovic | so please ask in your orgs communication channels |
| 19:36.52 | kblin | heyas Ivanovic |
| 19:37.01 | Ivanovic | hi kblin |
| 19:37.06 | Ivanovic | how is life for you these days? |
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| 19:38.40 | kblin | busy. mentoring my first bachelors thesis |
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| 19:39.48 | kblin | also trying to figure out where I got the DNS TSIG crypto wrong on reply packets |
| 19:41.00 | Mitar | i am asking as an org admin ;-) |
| 19:41.27 | Mitar | what does "extra columns" do in the org form |
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| 19:43.41 | Ivanovic | Mitar: then it is just a good question |
| 19:44.05 | kblin | Mitar: iirc, that's something you can set for you "requests for my org" chart, iirc |
| 19:44.12 | kblin | never used it myself, though |
| 19:46.28 | Mitar | hmm, is there some way to tag proposals? |
| 19:46.29 | Michitux | Mitar: iirc with that you can add additional colums to the proposal list (just for mentors) for adding additional information/remarks/... to them |
| 19:46.40 | gevaerts | Mitar: yes, "extra columns" :) |
| 19:47.05 | gevaerts | Well, I suspect it's that anyway. I've only ever seen the mentor side of things, not the admin bits |
| 19:47.33 | Mitar | hm, but i cannot see it in the proposal list table |
| 19:47.40 | Mitar | even if i click on columns at the end |
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| 19:47.51 | Mitar | new field is not visible among the list |
| 19:47.53 | Michitux | did you add anything in the extra colums field? |
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| 19:48.05 | Mitar | hm, not, just added it |
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| 19:54.36 | kblin | Mitar: hm, doesn't do anything for me either, it seems |
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| 19:55.13 | Mitar | so what is the purpose? |
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| 19:57.22 | Michitux | Mitar: the idea is that you can add additional information to proposals that's editable directly in the table in order to make reviewing proposals easier |
| 19:57.42 | Mitar | yes, but i do not see it in the table? |
| 19:57.56 | gevaerts | You may have to enable the columns |
| 19:58.00 | gevaerts | This has been a while... |
| 19:58.17 | Mitar | yes, checked that but have not seen there anything |
| 19:58.23 | Mitar | ok, will play a bit what that |
| 19:58.42 | gevaerts | I know we used the extra columns last year, but I don't remember exactly how they worked |
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| 19:59.08 | Michitux | Mitar: https://groups.google.com/d/topic/google-summer-of-code-mentors-list/lHv5GBSuzwc/discussion this was the announcement for the extra columns (second post there) |
| 19:59.18 | Mitar | thanks |
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| 20:00.11 | Michitux | but it doesn't contain a lot of additional information (I hoped for more when I searched for it) |
| 20:01.33 | Michitux | Mitar: I think this link gives a better idea what they are thought for: https://groups.google.com/d/topic/google-summer-of-code-mentors-list/mKjjOl7wd-w/discussion |
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| 20:23.11 | kblin | hmm, I realized that melange manages to use even less of my screen for useful information this year |
| 20:23.14 | kblin | :/ |
| 20:24.55 | kblin | !bugs |
| 20:24.55 | gsocbot | kblin: "bugs" is http://tinyurl.com/new-issue |
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| 20:26.58 | lolfrenz | is that possible? |
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| 20:34.58 | kblin | lolfrenz: http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=1499 |
| 20:35.11 | kblin | I've linked to screenshots from last year and this year |
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| 20:36.28 | kblin | lolfrenz: I guess I need to start using it from a smartphone, maybe then it'll look decent |
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| 20:40.25 | budili | hi |
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| 20:42.59 | budili | question: Students can submit more than one applicaton. If two orgas want the student, who orga get him? who decide this ?? Google oder the Student ?? |
| 20:43.36 | gevaerts | budili: the organisations in question, *possibly* after asking the student. If they can't agree, google. |
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| 20:44.37 | perepujal | In 2010 we, at tux4kids got 2 applications of a student ranked the highest |
| 20:44.52 | perepujal | then asked the student what he choose |
| 20:45.23 | budili | hm okay, thx |
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| 20:46.58 | vperic | oh yay, the mailing list spam is starting up again :) |
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| 20:48.32 | allman | vperic: what do you mean? |
| 20:48.55 | kblin | budili: but as gevaerts said, the orgs are not required to ask you. So either only apply for things you really want to do, or state which of the orgs you applied to you'd prefer to work for |
| 20:48.56 | vperic | allman: Oh, I just got like 5 mails from you to the list. |
| 20:49.00 | vperic | 4 actually |
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| 20:50.30 | gevaerts | vperic: I'm not sure if I'd accuse allman of spamming :) |
| 20:50.43 | allman | Ah yes - I'm trying to answer a backlog of emails. Attention students: please do read the FAQ and the recent archives of the mailing list. Please :-) |
| 20:50.45 | vperic | Ok, sorry, I kinda overreacted. ;) |
| 20:50.56 | allman | no worries. :) |
| 20:51.09 | vperic | Still, no need to send it to the whole list. ;) |
| 20:51.24 | vperic | (plus, your mail isn't strictly correct - I haven't been accepted in 2012 but I still see it :)) |
| 20:52.36 | allman | But if I don't send it to the list, the smart self-starting students who do read the mailing list archives don't 1.) see the answer to the question and 2.) see how annoying it can be when peole ask the same ? over and over :) |
| 20:53.03 | allman | vperic: weren't you a student last year? |
| 20:53.12 | vperic | yeah, I was I was, I'm just nitpicking here |
| 20:53.21 | kblin | vperic: which list would that be? |
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| 20:53.33 | allman | ah - nitpicking! I've heard of than ;-) |
| 20:53.40 | allman | "that" |
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| 21:08.24 | roaldfre1 | Does it happen that students continue working on their GSOC projects after the official GSOC deadline? (My exam period lies smack dab in the middle between the official GSOC code start and the mid-term evaluation, but I still have a full month of free time after the official GSOC deadline) |
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| 21:10.01 | ajed | !timeline |
| 21:10.02 | gsocbot | ajed: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2012 |
| 21:10.16 | ajed | that is set in stone as far as i am aware |
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| 21:11.31 | |Kev| | roaldfre1: You can continue coding for the org as long as you like - but the assessments must be done on the scheduled dates. |
| 21:11.42 | |Kev| | So an org can't pass you (or shouldn't) on the promise that you'll do some work in the future. |
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| 21:13.02 | roaldfre1 | That's what I expected, bummer. |
| 21:13.48 | gevaerts | If you have some time before the official starting date, you can propose starting early |
| 21:13.59 | gevaerts | (possibly not full time yet) |
| 21:14.19 | moriginal | hello, i have a question on registration. Should i write municipality in State/province box ? |
| 21:15.29 | thiago | does your country have a sub-national division above the city/town level? |
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| 21:16.25 | gevaerts | roaldfre1: the problem is that basically every mentor who's been around for more than one or two years remembers cases where a student promised to finish after the deadline and then vanished without a trace as soon as he got the money |
| 21:16.34 | moriginal | thiago, not above. |
| 21:17.12 | moriginal | Actually, the city is divided in municipalities. |
| 21:17.50 | moriginal | So if i write in street address foobar 15, it can be in anyone of municipalities. |
| 21:17.58 | thiago | then write nothing |
| 21:18.21 | thiago | usually, think of how you write addresses. If you write to "Cityname, Country", then write nothing there |
| 21:19.00 | thiago | for example, in France, there are two divisions above city and below the country, but no one would write "Paris, 75, France" |
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| 21:19.14 | thiago | or "Paris, Ile-de-France, France" |
| 21:20.13 | roaldfre1 | gevaerts: but, but ... I *swear* :-) |
| 21:20.27 | roaldfre1 | though I get what you mean |
| 21:21.47 | gevaerts | roaldfre1: at a risk of getting all experienced mentors to chase me with pitchforks, I'd say that if you really don't have any other alternative applying to an inexperienced first year org is probably your best bet. Don't tell anyone I said that though :) |
| 21:22.12 | roaldfre1 | :-) |
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| 21:22.57 | moriginal | Can i change the address after registration ? |
| 21:22.59 | roaldfre1 | by the way, does that really happen a lot? Disappearing students, I mean? |
| 21:23.07 | Phitherek_ | roaldfre1: You are not the only one that has the problem with the exam period kind of colliding with GSoC. I have also my exam period in the first GSoC period of coding |
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| 21:23.19 | gevaerts | It's one of the main causes for failing |
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| 21:23.45 | Phitherek_ | and it' s a hard one, so I am considering if I will take part at GSoC this year at all... |
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| 21:23.57 | gevaerts | More seriously, people have done gsoc successfully with awkward schedules, usually by making creative use of the community bonding period |
| 21:24.15 | roaldfre1 | That's what I was thinking of as well |
| 21:24.25 | roaldfre1 | using that to start working part time |
| 21:24.34 | sontek | Hey, I was wondering if we can get the Pylons project added to GSoC page |
| 21:24.52 | ajed | that would probably be more favourable roaldfre1 |
| 21:25.02 | ajed | liaise with your org appropriately |
| 21:25.17 | moriginal | Can i change the address after registration ?? |
| 21:26.31 | gevaerts | moriginal: yes, but keep in mind that after students have been accepted google needs to send them a package, so at that point the shipping address should be stable for a while |
| 21:26.47 | allman | sontek: Sorry - the orgs for 2012 have already been chosen. It's too late to add projects/orgs. |
| 21:27.34 | moriginal | gevaerts, a package with what ? |
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| 21:27.58 | gevaerts | moriginal: I don't know the details, but at least a prepaid bank card IIRC |
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| 21:28.25 | gevaerts | has never been a student, so he doesn't receive as much stuff :) |
| 21:28.34 | sontek | allman: nevermind anyways, just found out we will be thrown under python software foundation and not on our own |
| 21:28.38 | sontek | allman: thanks though :) |
| 21:28.57 | allman | You're welcome. |
| 21:29.16 | ajed | that's a point, i'm moving to france on May 10th... should I put my new address in Melange instead? |
| 21:30.51 | moriginal | gevaerts, i am having difficulties with filling my address. Can you point me someone from google to seek help ? |
| 21:31.03 | crdueck | does an application need to be submitted to google, or just the mentoring organization? if i need to send google a copy, where can I do that? |
| 21:31.24 | gevaerts | crdueck: the application needs to be submitted on the melange website |
| 21:31.29 | kblin | !faq | crdueck |
| 21:31.29 | gsocbot | crdueck: "faq" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs |
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| 21:38.54 | budili | hello, i have submitted my proposal, and now i have to wait for the answer? |
| 21:39.41 | BBB-work | budili, it's probably best to start contacting the organization you sent the proposal to. get familiar with their community, participate a little, etc. |
| 21:39.58 | BBB-work | budili, but as far as your proposal is concerned, yes, you just wait for the answer now |
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| 21:42.10 | agliodbs | for mentors on IRC: what do you do if you have an otherwise promising student who doesn't speak a language you have in your project well? |
| 21:42.19 | agliodbs | we have a proposal in Sinhalese |
| 21:43.25 | |Kev| | I wouldn't accept them. |
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| 21:43.41 | |Kev| | If you don't have a common language, you can't effectively mentor them. |
| 21:43.53 | gevaerts | If you don't have a mentor who speaks the language, it's basically going to be *very* hard |
| 21:44.23 | agliodbs | yah |
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| 21:44.36 | agliodbs | to make things worse, the mentor who would be best for their project is Japanese |
| 21:44.47 | |Kev| | You're making a commitment to mentor them, just like they're making a commitment to you. |
| 21:44.51 | crdueck | we are able to submit revisions of our proposal to melange as many times as we want, right? |
| 21:44.58 | dwcramer | Check to confirm that he doesn't speak English. If he has some, have an IM chat or a skype call to see if it's good enough. |
| 21:45.03 | |Kev| | crdueck: Until the deadline, yes. |
| 21:45.03 | agliodbs | crdueck: until the deadline, yes |
| 21:45.23 | agliodbs | dwcramer: he submitted his proposal in English. The proposal makes it clear that his English is very weak |
| 21:45.48 | agliodbs | |Kev|: jinx! |
| 21:46.05 | gevaerts | agliodbs: I'd say you have a few weeks to try before having to decide |
| 21:46.51 | agliodbs | yeah, I sent him a comment pointing out the language difficulty |
| 21:47.00 | agliodbs | and asking if he had any ideas how to get around it |
| 21:47.41 | dwcramer | Ah, ok. If it's otherwise strong, you could try communicating with him and see if he does better in other contexts. I've seen that (where the student's communication via email and IM was better than his proposal). |
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| 21:48.12 | agliodbs | dwcramer: well, I'm not sure it's strong or not |
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| 21:48.25 | agliodbs | its a useful, orgingal idea |
| 21:48.42 | agliodbs | but it's impossible to tell if the idea isn't properly fleshed out, or if he's just having trouble with the language |
| 21:49.01 | |Kev| | agliodbs: +1 on dwcramer. Have an IM chat with him. |
| 21:49.19 | |Kev| | If you find a mode of communication that works fine, yay. If you can't, you just can't run with him. |
| 21:49.32 | agliodbs | well, lemme make sure that I have a potential mentor other than the Japanese contributor first |
| 21:49.37 | agliodbs | that's going to be a disaster |
| 21:49.57 | dwcramer | Ok. Being up-front with him is the right thing to do then. Even if he revises it, I'd still communicate with him in real time to make sure that goes well (i.e. to avoid a situation where the English is good when he has a friend help him translate). |
| 21:50.01 | agliodbs | since the Japanese contributor's English isn't great either |
| 21:50.16 | gevaerts | They don't have another common second language? |
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| 21:50.30 | agliodbs | no |
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| 21:50.40 | agliodbs | the student speaks English (sort of) and Sinhalese |
| 21:51.04 | agliodbs | the Japanese contributor speaks Japanese and English (not that well) |
| 21:51.47 | agliodbs | I like the IM chat idea, though. If I can get an alternate mentor, I'll set one up between them |
| 21:51.49 | agliodbs | or even Skype |
| 21:51.57 | agliodbs | sometimes people have better spoken english |
| 21:52.12 | agliodbs | although I thought they taught English in school in Sri Lanka |
| 21:52.35 | dwcramer | Yes, the pressure of writing a proposal can bring out the worst in the student's grammar. |
| 21:52.35 | gevaerts | Learning a language in school isn't that great |
| 21:53.04 | BBB-work | isn't the problem really that a student that doesn't speak a common language with most people in the project, will never be able to integrate well in the project? |
| 21:53.16 | BBB-work | the whole community building thing is thus lost |
| 21:53.51 | gevaerts | BBB-work: I don't necessarily agree. Communicating with the rest of the project can also be a good way to improve your language skills |
| 21:53.56 | agliodbs | BBB-work: we're pretty used to that, actually |
| 21:54.01 | gevaerts | But you need enough of a basis |
| 21:54.17 | agliodbs | BBB-work: an experienced contributor can get by communicating mostly in code |
| 21:54.51 | agliodbs | however, most of our contributors with little English belong to user comminities with more than one member |
| 21:55.04 | agliodbs | e.g. Spanish, Portuguese, Japanese |
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| 21:56.39 | BBB-work | well, that may differ per project; if these requirements are really different for your project, then you likely know what level of communication is required to "get by", and then see if the student meets that minimal requirement |
| 21:57.15 | BBB-work | basically what gevaerts says, you knwo what you need as a basis, so test if the student meets that requirement |
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| 22:00.16 | quaid | Hi, I'm an admin for a project but I can't find where the applications are on google-melange.com |
| 22:00.30 | quaid | I'm sure it's something obvious I'm missing, but if anyone has some clue for me ... I'd appreciate it :) |
| 22:01.21 | meflin_ | there in my dashboard |
| 22:01.29 | quaid | notices first thing he missed is that it must all be going to his @gmail.com account |
| 22:01.33 | budili | see the orga my proposal directly, after i have it submitted? or after the 6. april ?? |
| 22:01.42 | quaid | now, dashboard is what I expected |
| 22:01.57 | quaid | but I only see applications for being an org & my requests |
| 22:02.10 | Michitux | quaid: no link "Proposals submitted to my orgs"? |
| 22:02.15 | quaid | nope |
| 22:02.35 | quaid | I'm not a mentor for the project, just an admin - would that hide it from me? |
| 22:02.40 | meflin | odd I have one |
| 22:03.04 | Michitux | quaid: no, it shouldn't, but are you sure you are admin for that org? |
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| 22:03.38 | Michitux | quaid: because some people had problems that they weren't admins anymore after their co-admin had created the org and they needed to be added by the co-admin again |
| 22:04.15 | Michitux | quaid: can you edit your orgs profile? |
| 22:04.35 | quaid | ah, good question |
| 22:04.38 | quaid | let me look |
| 22:05.17 | quaid | *ding, ding* we have a winnuh |
| 22:05.27 | quaid | Michitux: thx, that's it; I'll get the other admin to re-add me |
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| 22:51.30 | MatthewWilkes | Who's the third person in the GSoC hangout? Sounds like she's a plant asking all the right questions and therefore a googler, but I don't recognise her. |
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| 23:04.45 | barrbrain | there's a GSoC hangout? |
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| 23:12.59 | klocatelli | there was, it finisheda little bit ago |
| 23:14.01 | barrbrain | :'( |
| 23:14.20 | klocatelli | they record the hangouts and put them on youtube |
| 23:14.27 | allman | BarrBrain: it will be posted to YouTube in a day or 2 on the Google Students channel. |
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