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01:16.04mailson!next
01:16.05gsocbotmailson: "next" is Apr 6 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline.
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02:42.17sontekWe are sending out a request for students for GSoC, can they select their specific project they want during registration?
02:42.24sontekI need to know how much direction to give in the details
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02:49.09ojwbsontek: by "project" do you mean "org"?
02:50.24sontekojwb: yes
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02:53.34ojwbwell, students can apply to more than one org, so they don't select a single org during registration
02:54.29ojwbyou can probably usefully direct them to the target of the student "apply" button on your org page in melange though
02:54.43ojwbat least that should stop them signing up as mentors by mistake
02:54.56ojwbsontek: ^
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02:56.03sontekI couldn't find a direct link to the org
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02:56.22sontekwe are grouped in with the python software foundatio
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02:56.33ojwbthen they apply to the PSF
02:56.45ojwbmelange doesn't know about anything within that
02:56.58ojwbso your org *IS* the PSF
02:57.31sontekyeah
02:57.39sontekI just couldn't find a direct link to it
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02:58.15ojwbgo to google-melange.com, click to the org list, find python and click on it
03:00.07sontekojwb: thanks, found it
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05:07.23Guest86552hello
05:09.04Guest86552I have a question. I have a mentor's account, but i am a student. How i can change type of my account?
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05:10.36wtachi!apply-mentor | Guest86552
05:10.36gsocbotGuest86552: "apply-mentor" is mail melange-soc@googlegroups.com with the link_id (top right of your screen) and tell them you are mistakenly registered as a mentor
05:10.57wtachiit's happened so often we have a factoid :)
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05:12.08wtachiwonders how many students won't notice until 18:59 Friday
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05:52.41_hsr|e63!slots
05:52.41gsocbot_hsr|e63: "slots" is (#1) Slot allocation is done manually by Chris DiBona and Carol Smith, be a good org, play nice on the mentor list and #gsoc, ask for a non-crazy-high number of slots, and you'll probably get what you ask. Note that non-crazy-high for new orgs is around 1 or 2., or (#2) http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/NotesonStudentAllocations
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08:49.37_hsrno one talks here any more :O
08:50.31|Kev|Why would they, if they have nothing worthwhile to say?
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08:52.18_hsrgood point, but still we need some text in between all the parts and joins
08:52.28kaieasy
08:52.54kai/ignore #gsoc PARTS JOINS QUITS
08:53.02kaior whatever your client uses
08:53.36kaiand the text won't have any problems to show up between all the parts and joins
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08:56.00_hsrokay, my bad never will I initiate a conversation :p
08:57.10kailet's just say "we don't talk anymore" isn't the best way to start conversations
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08:58.14_hsrhmm, I wonder what's happening now :D
08:59.03|Kev|kai: Why don't we ever talk anymore? And you never buy me flowers.
08:59.41_hsrwell if you put it in that context, it is a conversation starter tbh
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09:01.15_hsreveryone's serious here, but it says fun and t-shirts on the box
09:01.49|Kev|Students should be busy with their applications, and mentors/admins will be overwhelmed dealing with the students right now.
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09:02.58_hsrhmm, anyways my work here is done :p
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09:07.35goupilappshi, i am a student from switzerland, can I participate to Google Summer code this year ?
09:08.18platzhirschProbably
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09:10.23kaihm, we had a factoid for this :/
09:10.28kai!faq | goupilapps
09:10.29gsocbotgoupilapps: "faq" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs
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09:43.39fcerullohi there
09:43.44fcerullois someone from google around?
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09:47.20ojwbfcerullo: unless it's only something which someone from google can answer, just ask
09:47.56fcerullook.. now that the student submission period closes next 6th april
09:48.10fcerulloand there is an interim period for mentoring orgs
09:48.22fcerulloto evaluate students, etc
09:48.41fcerullobtw.. im representing a mentoring org
09:49.05fcerulloduring that period... do i allow every mentor to evaluate the proposals?
09:49.17fcerulloor just the mentors related to the project?
09:49.36fcerulloalso, when/how is decided the projects that will be accepted by google?
09:52.23ojwbthat's really a policy for the org to decide - melange itself allows any mentor registered for an org to comment on that org's proposals
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09:54.49ojwbwhen - see the timeline, but the process is roughly that each org admin tells google how many slots the org would really really like, and how many they could fill up to if there are spare, then google allocate you a number, and you pick that many students from your list of proposals
09:55.14ojwbthen there's fun sorting out students accepted in more than one place, and reallocated any freed up slots
09:55.40fcerulloi see
09:55.59fcerulloso basically i could allow all mentors to provide feedback for each proposals (if they are willing to)
09:56.09ojwbyes
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09:56.28fcerullothen based on feedback decide how many slots we would like
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09:56.56fcerulloand google then makes final decision stating the amount of slots allocated
09:57.13fcerullowhen is that decision being made by google? before April 20th?
09:57.14ojwbwell, it's not quite final, as more may be freed up
09:57.37ojwbif it's not in the timeline explicitly, you'll need to wait for carols to send round the mail about it
09:57.46fcerullogotcha
09:57.52fcerullocool
09:57.55fcerullothat's all
09:57.57fcerullothanks for the help
09:58.23ojwbor someone with a better memory than me who was around last year
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11:19.44kainice, our list of proposals is beginning to look really nice
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11:23.05supertopi:)
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11:28.08qballerCan someone forward time to the 23?
11:28.46kaihell no.. I need those days at work :)
11:29.01qballer:D
11:29.15kai!patience | qballer
11:29.15gsocbotqballer: "patience" is very important for GSoC/GCI. Relax and go code something useful.
11:29.16kai:)
11:29.29qballerkai which org are you from ? :)
11:29.45kaiSamba and WorldForge
11:30.02qballerJust sharing thoughts I knew this coming in
11:30.21qballerYea, I actually need to catch up on some scripting.
11:30.29qballerSo I will do that.
11:30.44kaisee, gsocbot has all the zen of #gsoc
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11:37.04thgilWe only find out if you been accepted on the 23?
11:38.25kai!timeline | thgil
11:38.25gsocbotthgil: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2012
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11:50.23mlankhorstHello, world!\n
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11:51.22metalfingerHow can I knw who is mentor ?
11:51.54mlankhorstmetalfinger: we don't know yet, ask the project but until you're accepted you have no mentor yet :)
11:52.17metalfingerOhh, Okay. thanx :)
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11:56.19NhanTDNThere is a new comment on my proposal, they want me to provide more information, how can I add the information? By editing the proposal or writing them in a new comment?
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11:56.41ojwbNhanTDN: you can do either
11:57.13ojwbif you do edit the proposal, it's helpful to note what you changed in a comment, as melange doesn't show us what changed
11:57.37mlankhorstif they have remarks about the proposal itself, probably in the proposal.. if they ask you a question probably answering them in a coment, but that call's up to you
11:58.07NhanTDNOK, thank you guys so much :)
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13:34.39brunoais!help commands
13:34.39gsocbotbrunoais: Error: There is no command "commands".
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13:34.55brunoais!help help
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13:35.45|Kev|brunoais: All this could be done in a query instead of hre.
13:35.46|Kev|*here
13:36.09gevaertsIt won't work better though :)
13:36.34brunoaisis there a list of commands somewhere?
13:36.43|Kev|I don't *think* so.
13:36.57brunoais!help slap
13:36.57gsocbotbrunoais: Error: There is no command "slap".
13:37.13brunoais!help list
13:37.13gsocbotbrunoais: (list [--private] [<plugin>]) -- Lists the commands available in the given plugin. If no plugin is given, lists the public plugins available. If --private is given, lists the private plugins.
13:37.22brunoais!list
13:37.22gsocbotbrunoais: Admin, Channel, Config, Factoids, Gsoc, Misc, Owner, Services, and User
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13:37.52gsocbotgevaerts: "botabuse" is (#1) If you want to play with the bot, please do so in a private /query so as not to spam the channel, or (#2) When in a query with me, use whatis #gsoc <factoid>
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13:48.12re588anyone here been in gsoc '11
13:48.48thebesthow shall i submit the idea?
13:49.14thebestis it possible to take an idea from mentor list and submit as is?
13:49.32ChadWindnagleyou really want to create a detailed proposal from the idea list
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13:49.46ChadWindnagleso you can use the idea as the basis for your proposal, absolutely (that's what it's for)
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13:49.54thebestcan you please explain...
13:50.03ChadWindnaglebut you should create a full blown proposal, including things like timelines, details on implementation etc...
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13:51.01thebestso if we choose from idea list its not necessary to make change on the idea right?
13:51.12ojwbthebest: you won't get accepted if you just paste the idea from the list into your application
13:51.16ChadWindnagleno it's not necessary
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13:51.37ojwbyou need to expand it into a proposal
13:51.43|Kev|ojwb: Although I'm happy with that type of application. It saves me a lot of time.
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13:52.19ojwb|Kev|: sounds like premature optimisation to me
13:52.22thebest@ojwb : but please check ChadWindnagle's comment..
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13:52.51ojwbthebest: he didn't contradict what I said
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13:53.30thebestk.. themn i must have read yous a diffrnt way. sorry..
13:53.47ojwbsadly, idea cut and pasted direct from the list is a rather common form of junk application
13:53.56ojwbI mean the exact text and nothing else
13:54.10|Kev|thebest: Take the idea. Write a proposal from it. You have to persuade the org that they want you, and that you understand the idea and can solve the problem.
13:54.28ojwband that you'll be fun to work with
13:54.40|Kev|And that you'll communicate effectively, and many other things :)
13:54.51ChadWindnagleanother thing you can do is talk to the mentor organization
13:54.58ChadWindnagleyou should be communicating on their mail lists / dev lists
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13:55.17ChadWindnagleto get help from their devs to expand on the proposal you're working on
13:55.31re588so it's safe to assume that for any proposal the applicant must download/compile the project and familiarise him/herself with the project even before getting accepted am i correct?
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13:56.13ChadWindnagleyes that's a very good way to improve your chance of being a selected applicant
13:56.53ChadWindnagleSometimes students will have been using the application for a while and don't need to do this
13:57.17ChadWindnaglebut if you're new to the community, get your name out there. submit bug fixes, post on mailing lists, and write a strong proposal
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13:59.07|Kev|re588: I would reject anyone who hadn't done so out of hand, yes.
13:59.27|Kev|I'd have thought that was a base level of investigation into whether you want to work with the project over the summer.
13:59.28re588Only problem is that its time consuming, not that I have a problem with investing my time but when applying to multiple organisations it becomes troublesome
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14:00.20thebestthanks to all... m8 b bak for the help :)
14:00.26re588@ Kev: Thats fair enough, thanks
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14:01.15|Kev|It's possible you may need to apply to fewer orgs, to make good applications to them, especially if you're only starting to approach the community at this point.
14:01.41|Kev|On the other hand - I'm sure there are orgs who are less unfriendly than me about expecting students to put in some legwork for their application.
14:02.16kaire588: basically, I have an entry level requirement that more or less proves you manage to check out and build/deploy the software in question
14:03.32kaiyou don't need to have that sorted out by the time you apply, but you won't be accepted if you don't provide it unil the slot count we'll ask for is decided
14:04.28gevaertsthinks that not having such a requirement is madness
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14:04.47kaiack
14:06.17gevaertsOrganisations should try to have decent documentation for checking out and building of course. Not having that is madness too :)
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14:14.55alpha_jetHello, could I still modify my application between the 6 and the 23th April ???
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14:15.15JordiGH!edit
14:15.15gsocbotJordiGH: "edit" is Students can edit proposals up until the application deadline. Mentors can allow students to edit proposals on a case-by-case basis after the deadline. Note that comments on proposals can _not_ be edited after submitting.
14:15.53kai!pony
14:15.53gsocbotkai: "pony" is No, you can't pick the color of your free pony, and eat it, too. See !cake
14:16.03kaiah, durn
14:16.45gevaerts!cake
14:16.45gsocbotgevaerts: "cake" is (#1) not a lie anymore, 'cause lh got us some., or (#2) verily omnomnom
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14:16.59gevaertsSounds better than this pony :)
14:17.59|Kev|The pony isn't verily omnomnom?
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14:20.22gevaerts|Kev|: it needs much more preparation time
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14:25.56MatthewWilkeshasn't eaten pony
14:26.27|Kev|Me neither. I also haven't eaten *enough* cake.
14:26.44MatthewWilkesI guess horse meat is from bigger horses
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14:41.11kaigreat, now I'm hungry
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14:42.56|Kev|kai: You're welcome.
14:43.49JordiGHI think most of Western culture frowns upon eating ponies.
14:44.43gevaertsdoubts that
14:45.01gevaertsWait
14:45.09gevaertsI'm not sure about ponies
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14:45.22gevaertsBut you'd just call it horse meat and be fine :)
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14:46.18iElectricis it possible to mentor and participate as student at two different organisations?
14:46.19kaiI actually don't see any ethical differences between eating lamb or ponies
14:46.29kaiiElectric: nope
14:46.38JordiGHgevaerts: We generally don't like to eat cute animals. I think veal might be the exception.
14:46.41kaiiElectric: you can either be a mentor or a student, not both
14:46.41iElectricsigh.
14:46.50iElectrickai: tnx
14:47.19gevaertsJordiGH: but we may disagree on which animals are cute
14:47.22ojwbiElectric: well, you can in different years
14:47.26gevaertsPonies are not
14:47.48JordiGHOn the other hand, I don't know how we agreed to eat sea cockroaches (lobster).
14:47.55iElectricojwb: I would like to help with lack of mentors at one org and participate at project I really want to work on
14:47.56kaiJordiGH: I disagree. Many people, when they see the animal in question, would not eat it. If they get the meat in the supermarket, they usually have less qualms about it
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14:48.25kaiJordiGH: and lobsters are related to spiders, rather than cockroaches, iirc
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14:49.23ojwbiElectric: i'm afraid you have to choose between those
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14:50.03JordiGHkai: Taxonomy aside, when I see them live, I think more of cockroaches.
14:51.19kaibut.. but.. taxonomy...
14:51.37kaisorry, biology reflexes from $DAYJOB, I guess
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15:31.59gsocbotardahal: "tea" is Hot!
15:32.33zhulikasyou don't say
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15:57.16kai!ice tea | zhulikas
15:57.16gsocbotzhulikas: "ice tea" is cold, not hot.
15:57.22kai:)
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15:57.46MatthewWilkes!nice tea
15:57.55MatthewWilkes!learn nice tea as nice, not horrible.
15:57.56gsocbotMatthewWilkes: "nice tea" is nice, not horrible.
15:58.17MatthewWilkes!nice tea | kai
15:58.17gsocbotkai: "nice tea" is nice, not horrible.
15:59.03kailearn MatthewWilkes as Captain Obvious
15:59.04kai;)
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15:59.38brunoaiswhere's the instructions about how to work with gsocbot?
15:59.53MatthewWilkes!this cookie | kai
15:59.53gsocbotkai: "this cookie" is for you
15:59.57kai!gsocbot | brunoais
15:59.57gsocbotbrunoais: "gsocbot" is http://gsoc-wiki.osuosl.org/index.php/Gsocbot
16:00.22zhulikas!learn
16:00.23gsocbotzhulikas: (learn [<channel>] <key> as <value>) -- Associates <key> with <value>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. The word 'as' is necessary to separate the key from the value. It can be changed to another word via the learnSeparator registry value.
16:00.37kai!botspam | zhulikas
16:00.42zhulikas:o
16:00.50kai!botabuse | zhulikas
16:00.50gsocbotzhulikas: "botabuse" is (#1) If you want to play with the bot, please do so in a private /query so as not to spam the channel, or (#2) When in a query with me, use whatis #gsoc <factoid>
16:00.53kaithere we go
16:01.12zhulikas!learn kai as boss
16:01.13gsocbotzhulikas: "kai" is boss
16:01.36brunoais!learn !botspam as !botabuse
16:01.37gsocbotbrunoais: "!botspam" is !botabuse
16:01.43kaid'oh, now all the people doing rock will rage against me
16:01.55brunoais!botspam
16:01.56zhulikas!learn !learn as !botabuse
16:01.57gsocbotzhulikas: "!learn" is !botabuse
16:02.01zhulikashehe :}
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16:02.20kainow, let's not get silly here
16:02.24zhulikasok
16:02.25kai!forget !learn
16:02.25gsocbotkai: The operation succeeded.
16:02.50kaiok, maybe make that "let's not get too silly here"
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16:02.56kai:)
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16:04.07brunoais!learn
16:04.07gsocbotbrunoais: (learn [<channel>] <key> as <value>) -- Associates <key> with <value>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. The word 'as' is necessary to separate the key from the value. It can be changed to another word via the learnSeparator registry value.
16:04.26brunoais!learn kai as spamer
16:04.27gsocbotbrunoais: "kai" is (#1) boss, or (#2) spamer
16:04.35zhulikas:D
16:04.44tomprince!forget kai 2
16:04.45gsocbottomprince: "kai" is boss
16:05.07brunoais!forget kai 1
16:05.08gsocbotbrunoais: The operation succeeded.
16:05.20MatthewWilkes!forget brunoais
16:05.20gsocbotMatthewWilkes: Error: There is no such factoid.
16:05.35brunoais*tongue*
16:05.37brunoaisanyway
16:05.44brunoaisany news about GSoC?
16:05.51brunoaisor news only come on April 6th?
16:06.00zhulikassubmitted his proposal an hour ago o/
16:06.06ashfall!learn kai as scary
16:06.08gsocbotashfall: "kai" is scary
16:06.11kaibrunoais: what news?
16:06.23kaigives gsocbot a cookie
16:06.35kaidon't listen to those people, I'm not scary
16:06.40brunoaisanything new since last 2 days
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16:06.48brunoaisprobably there's nothing new
16:06.56kaiwhoops, time to catch my bus
16:07.04brunoaisciu
16:07.08brunoais*ciau
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16:11.55nischayn22can I edit my proposal after submitting at melange ?
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16:13.25|Kev|!edit | nischayn22
16:13.25gsocbotnischayn22: "edit" is Students can edit proposals up until the application deadline. Mentors can allow students to edit proposals on a case-by-case basis after the deadline. Note that comments on proposals can _not_ be edited after submitting.
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16:36.29nischayn22do we have to write the complete proposal in the content box ?
16:37.13NhanTDNYes, you have to.
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16:37.53tzbobmarkdown to html will keep you sane
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16:38.10nischayn22NhanTDN: and it should be formatted properly
16:38.15ChrisOelmuellernote that this entirely depends on the organization you apply to
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16:41.39dhaunwell, you have to submit something via google-melange.com or it won't count as an application for GSoC
16:41.51dhaunwhere the actual proposal resides is up to the org, I guess
16:42.27dhaunfrom a practical point of view - you would create a moving target if you host it elsewhere, since you could still edit it after the deadline ...
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16:43.24NhanTDNI think we can make edits on the proposal itself, hosting externally if your proposal is too long.
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16:44.19ChrisOelmuellerwhat i meant is that there are organizations that do require or at least encourage you to work on your proposal in public, as to receive feedback from the entire community and not just the registered mentors
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16:45.02dhaunnothing wrong with that of course :) I was thinking more of the final proposal
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16:46.15|Kev|Unless the org has specifically said it's ok to reference an external application, absolutely don't do it.
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16:48.43nischayn22|Kev|: does it mean that we can edit on Melange? we have also put our applications on org's site
16:49.02gevaerts!edit
16:49.02gsocbotgevaerts: "edit" is Students can edit proposals up until the application deadline. Mentors can allow students to edit proposals on a case-by-case basis after the deadline. Note that comments on proposals can _not_ be edited after submitting.
16:49.57nischayn22gevaerts: I saw that, still not clear ? my question ^
16:50.19SukhEnischayn22: Ask your org, it's up to them.
16:50.25nischayn22mistakenly placed a ? there
16:50.39|Kev|If your org told you to put your applications also on their website, do whatever they tell you to about editing them.
16:50.39nischayn22SukhE: but we can edit on melange?
16:50.48|Kev|Most orgs will only want you to have your applications in melange.
16:50.55|Kev|!edit | nischayn22
16:50.55gsocbotnischayn22: "edit" is Students can edit proposals up until the application deadline. Mentors can allow students to edit proposals on a case-by-case basis after the deadline. Note that comments on proposals can _not_ be edited after submitting.
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16:51.05LennieActually it is required to have an application in Melange if you want to be accepted
16:51.15|Kev|Lennie: We've already done that bit :)
16:51.28Lennie|Kev|, thanks I'll get back to work then :P
16:51.30|Kev|Lennie: See the "Also" in my message :)
16:51.32nischayn22|Kev|: we can edit on melange also ?
16:51.49nischayn22or just on Org's site?
16:51.54Michituxnischayn22: in general, proposal always refers to the proposal in melange
16:51.54|Kev|nischayn22: Yes, but if your org has told you to also put your application on their website, you should do whatever they want you to. This is unusual behaviour for an org.
16:51.58gevaertsnischayn22: there is only one application, and it's on melange
16:52.18nischayn22gevaerts: got it, thanks
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16:52.23gevaertsEverything else may be interesting to you or the organisation, but it's *not* official as far as gsoc is concerned
16:52.29|Kev|nischayn22: Which org is this?
16:53.02nischayn22WikiMedia, they didn't say to put up on their site, but most of the students did that
16:53.27nischayn22|Kev|: they advised to put on melange
16:53.29|Kev|If they haven't told you to put applications on their site, assume that the only application that really matters is the one in Melange.
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16:54.27nischayn22|Kev|: also the template says we should write contact info etc, should that all be written in content field?
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16:54.55|Kev|Anything the template says should be in your application you should put into your application text.
16:54.56tomprinceYes.
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17:15.24kneczajhello
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17:15.35NhanTDNHi there!
17:15.41kneczajI have a question regarding the timeline of proposal
17:16.01kneczajthe midterm evaluation is between 11-15 July
17:16.30kneczajso when I make a timeline I cannot devote the whole week to programming
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17:16.54kneczajbecause the mentor must check all my code in this week
17:17.00gevaertsNo
17:17.06kneczajso it must be ready a bit earlier
17:17.18gevaertsEvaluations have to be submitted during that week
17:17.40kneczajok, but they include the work planned to this week?
17:17.42gevaertsI'd hope the mentor doesn't have to start looking at your code then. That would be *very* bad mentoring...
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17:19.18abadger1999Hi, I'm trying to sign up as a mentor in melange.
17:19.29abadger1999Got as far as putting my profile in successfully
17:19.35kneczajsory, do the evaluation includes the work made that week and all the work planned to that wek must be completed before the midterm?
17:19.44abadger1999But I'm not sure how to link that to my organization.   Any hints?
17:20.21kneczaji mean the last week before the midterm evaluation - 9-15 July
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17:22.10gevaertskneczaj: the exact time of the evaluation (or even the existence of the midterm evaluation) shouldn't have any impact on your schedule.
17:23.10alinahi! short question about submitting a proposal: it seems that there is only text input possible in GSoC page. what do i do if i have some pictures and formulas inside?
17:24.08kneczajBut if I apply to kde there is a requirement to made a weekly schedule
17:24.09NhanTDNalina: You should put them on another site, then add the link into the proposal.
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17:24.19gevaertskneczaj: yes, so?
17:24.35alinaok, thank you!
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17:25.03alinaNhanTDN: can i add link to the whole proposal in pdf format?
17:25.19gevaertsalina: don't, unless the organisation *explicitely* allows it
17:25.33kneczajmaybe I ask on some kde channel how I should treat the weekly schedule
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17:25.44dhaunkneczaj: I'd say ignore the mid-term evals in your schedule. All the time you need is an hour to fill out a form. Shouldn't have any impact on your programming
17:25.55gevaertskneczaj: the weekly schedule has *nothing* to do with the midterm evaluation period
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17:26.48kneczajok, so you mean that the midterm evaluation is not related to tasks done but the general evaluation?
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17:28.00kneczajand if I not manage to make the last task planned before the midterm, because it will need one day more i do not fail?
17:28.07gevaertskneczaj: this isn't an exam. Nobody is going to look at your list of milestones, count them, compare them to the ones you achieved, and say "ok, 49%, failed. If only he had done 1% more"
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17:29.26gevaertsAlso, it's fairly common to revise the schedule throughout the summer based on new information and reality
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17:29.51kneczajso I can change my schedule later?
17:30.01Applifyif i want to report a bug, shud I first ask abt it on the mailing list or directly put it up on the issue tracker?
17:30.13gevaertskneczaj: in agreement with your mentor, yes
17:30.36Catfish_Mankneczaj: this is a software project, not a school project.
17:30.39denialsApplify: depends on the norms of the particular project you're talking about
17:30.57Applifyhmm...
17:35.03abadger1999kneczaj: The most important thing is to be in constant contact with your mentor :-)  Keep them informed of where you're at.
17:35.40abadger1999kneczaj: What problems you've run into -- advise them early if you think there's an unexpected problem with getting all your milestones done before midterm evaluation..
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17:36.44abadger1999kneczaj: if there's unexpected technical issues and you're working hard on things the whole time *and your mentor knows this* then people are usually understanding.
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17:37.40abadger1999otoh, if the work isn't being done for non-technical reasons or if you haven't been communicating with your mentor (so they know why the work is/is not being done) you may well fail at midterm.
17:37.54abadger1999communication is key :-)
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17:42.51gevaertstells jntuh about the difference between a slash and a backslash
17:42.58Catfish_Manmiiiiight want to change your password
17:43.03gevaertsThat too
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17:45.47dpacHow does Google verify if GSoC students are really students?
17:45.55wtachidpac: yes
17:46.02wtachiyou must submit proof
17:46.08dpacwtachi: What kind?
17:46.23wtachia transcript or letter of acceptance should work
17:46.43tpndo you have to be at university?
17:46.50wtachi!eligible
17:46.51gsocbotwtachi: "eligible" is http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs#age_restrictions
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17:47.22wtachi^ full explanation
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17:47.58tpnthanks wtachi
17:48.03wtachinp
17:48.06dpacwtachi: Thanks :)
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18:06.38codefossorhey. has anyone heard back from the mysociety people. They have just given an email hello@mysociety.org, no one is responding there. any idea?
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18:13.11allmancodefossor: how long since you emailed them?
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18:15.10codefossorallman, more than a day ago.
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18:35.45allmanmember:codefossor: hmm - frustrating. I'd search for an IRC channel for the project. If I couldn't find one, i'd resend the email.
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19:24.29cemyccWhat was the command to get the link for the logs ?
19:24.36JordiGH!logs
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19:24.43cemyccoh, thanks :)
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19:24.50JordiGHSame to you, buddy.
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19:43.40sumit786rajHey ! Guys what to write in the project description of the proposal as we have already mentioned about the project in the actual proposal
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19:45.06klocatelliyou should ask the org, proposals are org-specific
19:46.02gevaertssumit786raj: the project description as in the abstract?
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19:49.02sumit786rajwhat should i describe if i am opting for org's project only...
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19:49.53sumit786rajI am asking while applying for proposal they are asking name of the proposal and project description and actual proposal ..
19:49.57klocatelligeneraly org projects aren't very specific, you should describe in greater detail what you will achieve
19:50.12dhaunsumit786raj: does the org not provide an application template with questions they want you to answer?
19:50.29klocatellieg one org i'm interested in had a project to networked painting
19:50.32sumit786rajohhkk..
19:51.01klocatellibut a proposal might go into more details and link to paper or libraries or mockups or whatever of how the applicant wants to achieve that goal
19:51.22sumit786rajohh..kk
19:51.36klocatelliof course you'll need to ask your org to find out what they want in regards to "the details"
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19:52.26sumit786rajDo I have chances of getting selected as I dont have any open source experience but I strive do gsoc very eagerly.
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19:53.55gevaertssumit786raj: yes, if you make a decent proposal and start communicating with the organisation now
19:54.03gevaerts!studentguide | sumit786raj
19:54.04gsocbotsumit786raj: "studentguide" is http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/
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20:26.40moriginalhello i have problem with registration. Can someone help me ?
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20:28.41downeymoriginal: What is your problem?
20:28.45downeyserves tea
20:32.11moriginaldowney, my town is devided in munipalities. The municipalities can have same addresses. Example municip foo can have a street name bingo, also municip bar can have a street name bingo.
20:32.29moriginalIn gsoc's form there is no municip box. Where should i put it ?
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20:32.57downeymoriginal: I'm not sure, but my guess is it probably doesn't matter too much. Personally I'd put it with your City/Town.
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20:35.52moriginaldowney, should i send an email at google ask for more information abuot this? I know that google sends you a package. So i want my address be correct.
20:36.14downeymoriginal: If you're concerned about it, yes. :)
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21:17.34pergiIs there anyone that has received feedback from his/her organization after submitting his/her proposal?
21:19.05meflinmy org has given feed back on every proposal
21:19.11metalfingerI also submitted, I have not yeet
21:19.22MatthewWilkespergi: Yes, lots of people.  Lots of people haven't received feedback yet, though.
21:20.24pergiAha ok
21:20.30meflinwe are small and do not receive 100's of proposals tho :D
21:21.40pergiIn which organization you belong melfin? I am asking just for curiosity.
21:21.49meflinkernel.org
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21:22.17pergiWell, I thought that kernel.org should receive many proposals :P
21:22.21MatthewWilkesmeflin: I think I've heard of you… you're a game right?
21:22.27MatthewWilkesRPG in Java?
21:22.53meflinkernel.org is the hosting project not the linux kernel ( I think the kernel is - the linux foundation )
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21:23.08meflinMatthewWilkes: I am involved in a game with a java rpg client its not my org tho
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21:23.15pergiAnyway, I would like to ask something more. How would I know that my organization has checked my proposal and left any feedback? In the section "comments" under my proposal there will be something?
21:23.40Sidharthcan anybody tell me how to submit proposal for Google summer code 2012
21:24.35meflinSidharth: goto http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2012, register as a student find and project to submit to .. also read the student guide
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21:26.11Sidharthi have register and found one project which suits me and also written avout proposal but now apply button for applying
21:26.32Sidharthi mean where to send the proposal
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21:27.58pergiRegister as a student in the GSoC website, find your organization and click the button "Submit proposal"
21:29.18Sidharthif i click on organisation i only found there application template no Submit proposal button
21:29.32Sidharthsorry for asking stupid question but please help me
21:29.58pergiHave you been logged in with a google acount?
21:30.14Sidharthwith my gmail account
21:30.36pergiOk
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21:32.00pergiWell, in every organization I see a button "Submit Proposal" after being logged in.
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21:33.16Sidharthwhen you click on organisation it shows about organisation then links to idea page and homepage after that applicate template
21:33.20Sidharthin that page
21:33.23Sidharth?
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21:36.34Sidharthcan you give me the link where it shows submit proposal
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21:39.33perepujalSidharth: Perhaps would be usefull if you show  a snapshot on what page you are
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21:46.12FridrichHello, I am one of two administrators in LibreOffice project, but I cannot accept my own request to be mentor. My co-mentor is out until Monday, and I need to check the student applications :/
21:46.42Fridrichanybody has a power to help there
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21:48.00Sidharththankyou perepujal i found the error and rectify it
21:52.15perepujalFridrich: You can't check them?  according to the user's guide, admins are yet mentors
21:53.04Fridrichyeah, and yet I cannot see them. I see only my orga application
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21:57.08gevaertsFridrich: the way I understand things the admin according to melange is the one who filled in the organisation profile. This admin has to invite the other again. If that's a problem, I suspect your best bet is to ask in #melange
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