| 00:00.54 | klocatelli | hopes his is at least average :/ |
| 00:01.00 | ojwb | if you can demonstrate in the proposal that you've approach a codebase you weren't previously familiar with and worked out how you might tackle the project, then that's a pretty strong indication |
| 00:01.44 | ojwb | if you just paste the idea from the org's list and add a CV/resume, that's quite a strong indication the other way |
| 00:02.04 | re588 | Hmm |
| 00:02.16 | Shidash | So I think I have included everything listed in the handbook for proposals and my proposal is about 1700 words. Is this short, long? Should I make it more detailed? |
| 00:02.23 | ojwb | asking questions to help you work things out is fine too |
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| 00:03.57 | ojwb | word count isn't a great measure, but that's probably plausible |
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| 00:04.16 | Shidash | yeah, it is just an easy measure to get |
| 00:04.17 | Shidash | thanks |
| 00:05.00 | klocatelli | :< mine is well over 8000 |
| 00:05.22 | Shidash | oh wow |
| 00:05.39 | aleek | dmb: o/ |
| 00:05.44 | aleek | dmp: o/* |
| 00:05.46 | klocatelli | oh wait |
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| 00:05.58 | klocatelli | that was the detailed one |
| 00:06.04 | klocatelli | lemme check the submitted |
| 00:06.35 | klocatelli | yeah nvm submitted is about the same as yours |
| 00:07.23 | klocatelli | the other one has detailed time line, implementation specifications, etc... i don't think melange would even accept something that big |
| 00:07.40 | re588 | feels so outrun |
| 00:07.42 | klocatelli | :P |
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| 00:10.18 | Shidash | Yeah, I have a paragraph on benefits to the community, a schedule broken down into certain features I will work on and when (some detail but not too much), a layout and short description of the different components of the project (both those I am doing in GSoC and some I hope to do after or if I have extra time), similar projects, software I am incorporating, and a bio |
| 00:10.36 | agliodbs | klocatelli, Shidash personally, I won't read anything over about 700 workds |
| 00:10.36 | Shidash | So hopefully that is enough info without being too much |
| 00:10.57 | Shidash | Org I am applying to requested 1500-4000. But they take student proposed projects independent of other projects. |
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| 00:11.12 | Shidash | So I was a bit worried because mine seemed to be on the low side |
| 00:11.18 | agliodbs | PSU? yeah, they're academics. they like more words |
| 00:11.19 | klocatelli | well I wouldn't feel comfortable narrowing it down any more, otherwise it would just become a synopsis not a proposal |
| 00:11.25 | thgil | Who are you applying to? |
| 00:11.30 | Shidash | PSU |
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| 00:11.40 | Shidash | Does anyone know about them much? |
| 00:11.53 | agliodbs | Shidash: that's Portland State University |
| 00:11.59 | Shidash | yeah |
| 00:12.20 | agliodbs | I don't know if they expect you to go to Portland for the summer, or even if that's just for their students, really |
| 00:12.30 | Catfish_Man | agliodbs: it's a regular gsoc org |
| 00:12.37 | agliodbs | or if it's wide open |
| 00:12.40 | Catfish_Man | no weird requirements like that that I'm aware of |
| 00:13.03 | Shidash | This is from their website- "There is absolutely no geographic requirement for Google / PSU GSoC. We have mentored students from all over the world, and have an indepedent review board guide our selection process to ensure that the best students are selected regardless of location." |
| 00:13.12 | agliodbs | ok, then |
| 00:13.16 | agliodbs | now you know more than me! |
| 00:13.17 | Shidash | So it seems open |
| 00:14.26 | Shidash | There is a project I really want to work on over the summer and it would be great if I could work on it full time. Otherwise it would be a lot slower going on the project as I would have to be working another job. So PSU in GSoC is really ideal for me. |
| 00:14.58 | agliodbs | fwiw: http://www.postgresql.org/developer/summerofcodeadvice/ |
| 00:15.02 | agliodbs | that's for our students, though |
| 00:15.14 | agliodbs | Shidash: well, go for it |
| 00:15.23 | agliodbs | PSU is a great school |
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| 00:15.49 | Catfish_Man | I took a class or two there |
| 00:15.52 | Shidash | thanks for the link |
| 00:17.33 | Shidash | I have worked at a lab at MIT writing software among other things and I mention references are available from the professor there upon request. Will they contact me if they want a reference or should I include her email? She tends to lose email though so it would be useful if I could give her a heads up so she can find it. |
| 00:18.37 | agliodbs | Shidash: I'd put "conctact me for references" |
| 00:18.43 | agliodbs | what project do you want to work on, btw? |
| 00:18.45 | Shidash | okay |
| 00:20.42 | Shidash | So I am applying for PSU for a project to make a browser-based encrypted chat using OTR (not possible to have browser based OTR now, requires using Java applets which is only possible now because OTR just released a Java library) with some voting features on the side. The goal is for it to be sort of an online general assembly. |
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| 00:21.05 | Catfish_Man | OTR is pretty neat |
| 00:21.08 | Shidash | The main hard part is the browser based OTR |
| 00:21.09 | Shidash | yeah |
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| 00:22.24 | Shidash | There are in-browser encryption solutions but they lack the deniability of OTR. And asking people to install plugins or other software, the use of which often requires a basic understanding of public key encryption, is often not an option for non-computer-savvy people. |
| 00:23.21 | Shidash | I tried to teach semi-computer-savvy people at Occupy how to use Tor Browser and that was not easy. There needs to be better solutions for security because right now the tools are difficult for most people to use. |
| 00:23.36 | Shidash | *need to be |
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| 00:24.15 | kneczaj | hello |
| 00:24.30 | thgil | hi |
| 00:24.42 | kneczaj | is it possible to start coding earlier when i will be chosen? |
| 00:24.47 | agliodbs | kneczaj: yes |
| 00:25.02 | agliodbs | kneczaj: it often helps your chances, if you do it through the project |
| 00:25.02 | kneczaj | thanks |
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| 00:25.44 | agliodbs | Shidash: you might apply to Sunlight Foundation too. I think they've taken some Tor-related projects in the past |
| 00:25.50 | kneczaj | i have some university duties to the end of june and i think that i would be better for me to divide the whole work to a longer period |
| 00:26.10 | Shidash | Oh, are they in GSoC? I'm actually in the process of applying to them for grants for my nonprofit |
| 00:26.27 | agliodbs | Shidash: I don't know this year, but they usually are |
| 00:26.49 | agliodbs | kneczaj: I recommend contacting the org you're applying to about this |
| 00:26.56 | agliodbs | and putting that information in your application |
| 00:27.01 | Shidash | Just checked, they aren't :( |
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| 00:30.42 | Shidash | heh, if OTR was in it I would submit to them. But it doesn't look like they have ever done GSoC |
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| 00:57.06 | crdueck | i've already submitted an application to an organization, can i edit that submition or do I have to resubmit the new version? |
| 00:57.16 | ojwb | you can edit it |
| 00:57.24 | ojwb | crdueck: look in your "dashboard" |
| 00:57.42 | crdueck | ojwb: ah thanks :) |
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| 01:07.41 | andeh | I'm having doubts of my ability as I write my proposal, any advice? :/ |
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| 01:15.02 | ojwb | andeh: just do the best you can - if you don't submit a proposal, you definitely won't get chosen, so you can only improve on that! |
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| 03:41.59 | amaurymedeiros | good evening all. i'd like to know if there's a minimum number of slots that an org can get, specially if it's not the org's first year on GSoC, or if it depends on the number of proposals the org receive |
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| 03:46.34 | ojwb | amaurymedeiros: it depends |
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| 03:50.18 | amaurymedeiros | ojwb, so if it's not the org's first year on GSoC, but it gets around 6 proposals, it's possible it gets just 1 slot? or even none? |
| 03:50.53 | ojwb | are you asking as an org? |
| 03:50.54 | ojwb | I think you'll always get at least one if you want it |
| 03:51.35 | ojwb | it's not solely based on popularity either |
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| 03:53.29 | amaurymedeiros | ojwb, oh, thanks about that :) |
| 03:53.43 | ojwb | !slots |
| 03:53.43 | gsocbot | ojwb: "slots" is (#1) Slot allocation is done manually by Chris DiBona and Carol Smith, be a good org, play nice on the mentor list and #gsoc, ask for a non-crazy-high number of slots, and you'll probably get what you ask. Note that non-crazy-high for new orgs is around 1 or 2., or (#2) http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/NotesonStudentAllocations |
| 03:53.53 | ojwb | i think those notes are kind of old though |
| 03:54.56 | ojwb | you'll also get a last minute surge in applications I bet |
| 03:55.09 | thiago | all orgs get at least 2 unless they ask for fewer |
| 03:55.39 | ojwb | http://survex.com/~olly/blog/xapian/xapian-gsoc-applications-for-2011.html shows ours for last year |
| 03:57.04 | ojwb | thiago: ah, ok, wasn't sure about that |
| 03:57.16 | ojwb | unless that only have one application I guess... |
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| 04:15.30 | Guest87465 | hello |
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| 04:16.21 | Guest87465 | Is there someone here that can answer my questions about gsoc? |
| 04:17.17 | kTwitch | ask away. somebody will come and answer eventually. |
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| 04:17.53 | Guest87465 | okay |
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| 04:18.41 | Guest87465 | I would really like to participate and I have a bit of experience coding. |
| 04:19.02 | Guest87465 | Sadly I am only 17 and would like to know if there's any way I could still participate |
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| 04:19.24 | klocatelli | google has a program called Code In for < 18 year olds |
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| 04:19.54 | Guest87465 | I'm pretty sure it is over |
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| 04:20.01 | klocatelli | it's yearly |
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| 04:20.21 | Guest87465 | what do you mean by yearly? |
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| 04:20.42 | cafarm_ | annual |
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| 04:21.56 | Guest87465 | The problem is that although I am 17, I was born in 1994 so there are people who are 18 and really the same age as me |
| 04:22.09 | Shidash | When do you turn 18? |
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| 04:22.19 | Guest87465 | November |
| 04:22.25 | Shidash | If you turn 18 on or before April 23rd you can participate |
| 04:22.25 | Shidash | ah |
| 04:22.30 | Guest87465 | yeah |
| 04:22.48 | Shidash | I think they are trying to avoid issues with child labor laws and such |
| 04:23.08 | Guest87465 | I read up on labor laws and it is perfectly legal to work at 17 |
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| 04:23.22 | Shidash | yes, it is |
| 04:23.26 | Shidash | but it requires a lot of paperwork |
| 04:23.40 | Guest87465 | I would be more than willing to file all of that paperwork |
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| 04:23.53 | klocatelli | I'm sure it's more than just you |
| 04:23.57 | Guest87465 | the problem is that the website doesn't even let me register |
| 04:24.12 | klocatelli | and if you wanted in, then everyone else that was almost but not really 18 would want in... |
| 04:24.18 | Guest87465 | yes |
| 04:24.22 | klocatelli | and then where would they draw the line? 17.5? 17.1? |
| 04:24.25 | klocatelli | etc... |
| 04:24.34 | klocatelli | so, 18? in! nope? sorry! |
| 04:24.36 | Guest87465 | but I think it would make more sense to draw the line at a year rather than an age |
| 04:24.50 | klocatelli | I think an age makes more sense. |
| 04:24.55 | Guest87465 | I mean you don't accept people into school nor university by age |
| 04:24.57 | klocatelli | otherwise they have different paperwork |
| 04:25.10 | klocatelli | if they just say "everyone 18", it's far more logical |
| 04:25.23 | klocatelli | PITA for cases like you |
| 04:25.26 | cafarm_ | you always have next year… |
| 04:25.27 | klocatelli | but overall, makes far more sense |
| 04:25.37 | Shidash | I am lucky and just barely make the cutoff this year |
| 04:25.40 | Guest87465 | I do not agree but whatever |
| 04:26.02 | Shidash | There might also be liability issues |
| 04:26.14 | Guest87465 | checked the law and nope |
| 04:26.23 | Guest87465 | just have to fill in two pages worth of stuff |
| 04:26.26 | Guest87465 | and that it |
| 04:26.42 | klocatelli | for probably hundreds of applicants |
| 04:26.55 | Guest87465 | I would have to do that, not Gooogle |
| 04:27.07 | klocatelli | I'm sure they have extra paperwork issues |
| 04:27.08 | Guest87465 | google would sign that they agree |
| 04:27.12 | Guest87465 | maybe |
| 04:27.15 | klocatelli | complications for different states/counties/cities or whatever |
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| 04:27.27 | Guest87465 | not really |
| 04:27.28 | klocatelli | it's a lot of red tape, and it's a free program! |
| 04:27.38 | klocatelli | just be happy it exists at all :) |
| 04:27.45 | klocatelli | besides |
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| 04:27.58 | klocatelli | you are perfectly able to take up a project and work on it over the summer outside of GSoC! :D |
| 04:28.10 | Guest87465 | Nobody would pay me |
| 04:28.11 | cafarm_ | has anyone filled out an application without being in contact with the mentor? |
| 04:28.14 | klocatelli | so? |
| 04:28.24 | Guest87465 | I'm going into university, cash-strapped as it is |
| 04:28.41 | klocatelli | so do some work on the side, freelance or whatever |
| 04:28.47 | klocatelli | there's always a solution! |
| 04:28.50 | Guest87465 | that is not easy |
| 04:28.59 | Guest87465 | and usually not possible |
| 04:29.00 | Shidash | I think there is always the danger of parents suing when a minor is involved |
| 04:29.10 | Guest87465 | no, there isn't |
| 04:29.18 | Shidash | Which is really, really unfortunate. Being under 18 is not fun |
| 04:29.29 | Guest87465 | a parent has to sign that they agree and thats the end of the story |
| 04:30.08 | klocatelli | alright well email the mailing list and see what they say ;) |
| 04:30.23 | ojwb | Guest87465: nobody in this channel made the age cut-off decision |
| 04:30.28 | Guest87465 | what is the mailing list e-mail? |
| 04:30.55 | ojwb | and you certainly aren;t the first to complain, so I doubt you'll convince anyone to change the limit |
| 04:30.59 | Shidash | I actually doubt anyone involved in GSoC made the decision. It was probably higher-ups at Google |
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| 04:31.09 | klocatelli | https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs#mailing_lists |
| 04:31.18 | ojwb | i'd think the legal department advised it |
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| 04:32.28 | Guest87465 | well |
| 04:33.03 | Guest87465 | I guess I will just have to e-mail them directly |
| 04:33.08 | Guest87465 | thanks for your input |
| 04:33.51 | cafarm_ | submissions are due in a day |
| 04:35.04 | klocatelli | 45 hours (ish) |
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| 04:35.08 | klocatelli | more like two |
| 04:35.33 | Shidash | Still, not enough time to get policies to change |
| 04:35.56 | cafarm_ | 38 hours I think |
| 04:36.02 | klocatelli | he can fight the cause for all the kids that didn't make the age cut-off |
| 04:36.07 | klocatelli | :d |
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| 05:06.59 | billybob | Hi, is it possible to apply for mentor during this period? |
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| 05:13.06 | its_me_2012 | hello everyone |
| 05:13.15 | its_me_2012 | Can I apply in more than one organisation?? |
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| 05:14.08 | klocatelli | yes |
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| 05:16.18 | ojwb | its_me_2012: but quality will get you accepted, quantity won't |
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| 05:20.27 | tomprince | billybob: Yes, but typically only if you are already an active contibutor to whatever org. |
| 05:21.31 | billybob | ah, I see, thank you, tomprince |
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| 06:11.25 | ryao | After a student has a good proposal with a bad timeline and he asks for help, would it be a bad idea to fix his timeline for him? |
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| 06:13.42 | ojwb | ryao: it's bad to fix it for him, but it's fine to give him guidance |
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| 06:14.33 | ryao | ojwb: Thanks. |
| 06:14.41 | ojwb | so "don't leave all the testing and documentation to the end, because you'll end up with a lot of undocumented and poorly tested code if you overrun slightly" rather than rewriting it for him |
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| 08:03.05 | qdb | i do not see any form to request in gsoc site, only profile, so it is posted by mentors? |
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| 08:11.08 | metalfinger | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:13.33 | Gushings | I'm pretty sure that is up to the discretion of the organization that selects the students. |
| 08:13.48 | Gushings | But don't quote me on that :) |
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| 08:14.42 | metalfinger | Okay, thanx :) |
| 08:16.00 | kai | metalfinger: do you mean separately or together? |
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| 08:18.46 | metalfinger | together ! |
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| 08:24.00 | |Kev| | metalfinger: No, that is not allowed by any org, it's disallowed by Google. |
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| 08:34.19 | oy | how are proposals and comments routed to our mailing list of mentor email accounts? |
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| 08:37.26 | kai | man, how am I supposed to guess if switching from SAS to SATA on a 64-core system running a varied workload will have a performance impact? |
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| 08:38.04 | |Kev| | kai: Roll a d6. |
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| 08:39.16 | kai | the answer is a clear maybe... |
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| 09:19.05 | aj910martin | Hey, I have a quick question. I am currently employed in the United States, and also accepted in a college for graduate studies which will start in Fall 2012. Can I apply as a student? |
| 09:19.47 | kai | !eligible | aj910martin |
| 09:19.47 | gsocbot | aj910martin: "eligible" is http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs#age_restrictions |
| 09:19.52 | kai | hm, no.. |
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| 09:19.58 | kai | !faq | aj910martin |
| 09:19.59 | gsocbot | aj910martin: "faq" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs |
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| 09:20.15 | kai | you're looking for the eligibility section |
| 09:20.34 | kai | aj910martin: but the short answer is that there's a cut-off date sometime this month |
| 09:20.54 | kai | will you be enrolled at an eligible educational institution at that point? |
| 09:20.58 | aj910martin | kai: there is some time for it... |
| 09:21.07 | aj910martin | kai: More than 24 hours :) |
| 09:21.18 | kai | no, that's the application deadline |
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| 09:21.39 | kai | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs#student_eligibility |
| 09:22.28 | kai | arvinder_: it's a bit rude (and pretty pointless) to query me with that question |
| 09:22.38 | kai | arvinder_: if you have anything to ask, ask in the channel |
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| 09:22.52 | aj910martin | kai: well… I am accepted into an accredited institution |
| 09:22.54 | kai | also, I'm afk now, so I can't answer you anyway |
| 09:22.59 | kai | aj910martin: there you go then |
| 09:23.01 | kai | bbl |
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| 09:24.38 | aj910martin | kai: And the eligibility criterions don't mention about employment |
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| 10:13.40 | kai | aj910martin: well, the other question of course is, do you have enough time for gsoc then? |
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| 10:14.58 | aj910martin | kai: I am willing to take out time... |
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| 10:18.10 | kai | aj910martin: I'd regard gsoc as a full-time internship for three months |
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| 10:21.35 | aj910martin | kai: I did take a project which seems less complex as compared to some of the other projects, but it is never preferable to estimate development time ever. |
| 10:22.05 | aj910martin | kai: The best option for me would be to clearly specify in my application about it, and then let the jury make a decision :) |
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| 10:22.35 | kai | I disagree. the trick is to do an initial estimate, and then track how much reality messes up your estimate, and adjust for this |
| 10:22.54 | kai | yes, that's a good idea |
| 10:24.10 | aj910martin | kai: Sounds good then. Hoping for the best. Thanks kai. Appreciate it. |
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| 10:26.11 | kai | whoops |
| 10:26.20 | kai | almost forgot my seminar |
| 10:26.28 | kai | grabs a coffee and rushes off |
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| 11:30.35 | wizneel | hi |
| 11:31.16 | wizneel | anybody applying to libre office |
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| 11:31.48 | kai | !anybody | wizneel |
| 11:31.50 | gevaerts | I hope so. Organisations getting no applications at all tend not to be very happy |
| 11:32.00 | kai | !anyone | wizneel |
| 11:32.00 | gsocbot | wizneel: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. Try searching for the org's contact info or even just try a /join #<mentoring org here> |
| 11:32.41 | wizneel | ok |
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| 11:33.43 | wizneel | ping |
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| 11:36.35 | robosor | i am applying for LibreOffice |
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| 12:14.55 | re588 | im so failing at proposal writing |
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| 12:15.10 | re588 | now thats something they should taught us at university |
| 12:15.20 | re588 | instead of how to use the library system >_> |
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| 12:20.37 | Gentlecat | re588: you have internet |
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| 12:21.54 | marchael | I never heard about universities which learn their students write proposals to GSoC :P |
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| 12:30.57 | Pwnna | If I've been accepted into 2 universities but have not yet made a choice yet, how do I fill out the School name* under Education? |
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| 12:32.02 | ojwb | Pwnna: if you've not been accepted, you aren't eligible |
| 12:32.16 | Pwnna | ojwb: i've been accepted, i just haven't made a response yet |
| 12:32.27 | ojwb | oh, i misread |
| 12:32.45 | ojwb | pass |
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| 12:32.52 | Pwnna | Pass? I can't/ it's a required field |
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| 12:33.02 | ojwb | means he doesn't know |
| 12:33.07 | ojwb | make that decision now? |
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| 12:35.42 | blast007 | Pwnna: Might want to contact someone from google to ask about that. I recall someone else that had the same question, and it was suggested that they contact carols. |
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| 12:36.21 | kellpossible | how many weeks does gsoc actually go for (from start to "pens down" ) ? |
| 12:36.47 | kai | !timeline | kellpossible |
| 12:36.47 | gsocbot | kellpossible: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2012 |
| 12:37.27 | Pwnna | blast007: where do i do that? |
| 12:37.33 | Pwnna | ojwb: ... easy to say.. |
| 12:38.20 | tomprince | Pwnna: http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-discuss/browse_thread/thread/5e7ee81452d2a2a5 |
| 12:39.12 | tomprince | Particularily Stephanie Taylor's reply |
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| 12:46.31 | kellpossible | gsocbot: thanks |
| 12:46.31 | gsocbot | kellpossible: "thanks" is You're welcome! |
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| 12:46.53 | kai | :) |
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| 12:46.56 | kellpossible | kai: haha, this bot thing is an awsome idea :D |
| 12:47.08 | kellpossible | genuinely laughed out loud |
| 12:47.19 | kai | I forgot about that one myself :) |
| 12:47.38 | kai | the factoids pretty much are a wiki thing |
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| 12:48.31 | kai | as in "everybody can edit" |
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| 12:51.00 | gevaerts | tries to figure out if he can teach gsocbot a factoid that, when asked for, will trigger gsocbot to do something |
| 12:51.55 | kellpossible | kai: a wiki thing? oh I guess there is some command to add new ones? |
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| 12:52.13 | kellpossible | kai: that is specific per channel or something, that would be pretty nifty |
| 12:52.20 | gevaerts | !learn learnmore as !learn leanmore as !learn leanmore |
| 12:52.20 | gsocbot | gevaerts: "learnmore" is !learn leanmore as !learn leanmore |
| 12:52.25 | gevaerts | !learnmore |
| 12:52.25 | gsocbot | gevaerts: "learnmore" is !learn leanmore as !learn leanmore |
| 12:52.31 | gevaerts | !forget learnmore |
| 12:52.31 | gsocbot | gevaerts: The operation succeeded. |
| 12:52.40 | gevaerts | That way won't work :\ |
| 12:53.25 | gevaerts | kellpossible: it is per channel, yes |
| 12:54.27 | kellpossible | gevaerts: was that some attempt to make a recursive factoid? :P |
| 12:54.47 | gevaerts | kellpossible: me, yes |
| 12:54.49 | gevaerts | I failed |
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| 12:55.32 | kellpossible | gevaerts: nice try anyway |
| 12:56.07 | gevaerts | That sort of thing tends to work better with two bots |
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| 12:56.56 | kellpossible | haha, well maybe one day I'll see someone do it |
| 12:56.58 | kellpossible | I'm off but thanks for the answer kai, I probably should just crunch the numbers from the calendar anyway, but was lazy :P |
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| 13:42.11 | smya | Hi, Can you please tell me what all should I include in the application? Where do I send the application? |
| 13:42.18 | JordiGH | !apply |
| 13:42.22 | JordiGH | !application |
| 13:42.41 | JordiGH | I guess it's kind of late to write a factoid, but your application should be in Melange. |
| 13:43.24 | gevaerts | recommends reading the student guide |
| 13:43.37 | smya | ya. I have a rough draft written. Just need to make final touch up. Can you please send me the link where we upload the application |
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| 13:46.40 | kai | !faq | smya |
| 13:46.41 | gsocbot | smya: "faq" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs |
| 13:46.49 | kai | I'm pretty sure it's in there |
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| 14:24.24 | kai | durn, last time I figured out how to build debian packages, I should have taken notes |
| 14:24.34 | kai | or at least saved the url of the guide I used |
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| 14:26.29 | |Kev| | kai: I don't know if this helps, but http://swift.im/git/swift/tree/Swift/Packaging/Debian |
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| 14:27.09 | ojwb | beware that |Kev|'s approach seems to take a long time |
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| 14:28.12 | |Kev| | ojwb: You mean computationally, or just that I'm crap at getting stuff done? |
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| 14:30.30 | ojwb | dunno, couldn't resist poking a little fun I guess |
| 14:30.43 | |Kev| | Fair enough. |
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| 14:31.25 | ojwb | so I declined the kind offer to write us an "encrypted email client" and marked it as invalid, and the student wants to know what's wrong with his proposal... |
| 14:31.37 | |Kev| | Which 'us'? |
| 14:31.52 | ojwb | xapian |
| 14:32.05 | |Kev| | Oh. |
| 14:32.08 | ojwb | but i suspect 19 other orgs have the same offer |
| 14:32.10 | |Kev| | Isn't that a bit...offtopic? |
| 14:32.30 | ojwb | yep, that's why I marked it as invalid |
| 14:33.57 | Gushings | Someone is sending the same proposal to many organizations? |
| 14:34.11 | summatusmentis | more than one someone I'm sure |
| 14:34.40 | Gushings | That's pretty funny. |
| 14:34.51 | |Kev| | I particularly like when they send the same proposal for multiple ideas for the same umbrella org. |
| 14:34.54 | ojwb | I'm only signed up as a mentor for one org this year, so I can't say for sure, but it had no relevance to our org |
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| 14:35.08 | |Kev| | Only changing the proposal title. |
| 14:35.21 | Gushings | I'm only applying to one organization. |
| 14:35.25 | ojwb | |Kev|: I had 3 of those and we aren't an umbrella org |
| 14:35.29 | Gushings | Focusing on one proposal, etc. |
| 14:35.41 | ojwb | Gushings: very wise |
| 14:35.50 | ojwb | quality works better than quantity |
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| 14:36.02 | justinh_ | ojwb, what org are you from? |
| 14:36.22 | ojwb | xapian (I said above actually) |
| 14:36.24 | kai | |Kev|: I've got all the magic done for ubuntu, but now I need to package for debian proper |
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| 14:36.57 | kai | currently I'm not even able to get "dget" to grab my .dsc file from launchpad |
| 14:36.59 | |Kev| | kai: Shouldn't the magic be the same? |
| 14:37.07 | |Kev| | Oh, launchpad. |
| 14:37.11 | |Kev| | Way out of my league :) |
| 14:37.15 | ojwb | kai: is it the signature? |
| 14:37.39 | Gushings | My biggest worry at this point is that I haven't submitted any patches for the organization I'm applying to. |
| 14:37.48 | kai | yeah, I can't seem to get dget to accept a different keyring |
| 14:37.53 | |Kev| | I need to work out why Swift's repo for nightlies is completely broken at some point. Rejects because of a hash mismatch every night. |
| 14:38.05 | |Kev| | Gushings: I would be inclined to get on that. |
| 14:38.13 | kai | I can't futz with the parameters it's passing to dscverify |
| 14:38.18 | ojwb | kai: dget -u will just not check |
| 14:38.24 | Gushings | I plan on submitting one, but it will be past the application deadline. |
| 14:38.30 | Gushings | I've just been really busy with school. |
| 14:38.40 | Gushings | Oh well. |
| 14:39.01 | ojwb | Gushings: depends on the org, but a patch after the deadline is unlikely to get ignored |
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| 14:39.18 | |Kev| | Gushings: You might write this in your application. |
| 14:39.29 | Gushings | Yeah, I believe it will be noticed. |
| 14:40.31 | Gushings | Anyone have experience with C++11? |
| 14:40.46 | |Kev| | Only in a terribly loose sense. |
| 14:40.53 | Gushings | Is it that far off from C++? |
| 14:40.58 | |Kev| | It *is* C++ :) |
| 14:41.18 | Gushings | With additional features. |
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| 14:41.35 | Gushings | Just wondering if I could read it with ease and probably write it okay if I knew C++ |
| 14:41.37 | |Kev| | And, most importantly, it lets you >> when closing nested template declarations :D |
| 14:41.41 | Gushings | I'll just go give it a shot. |
| 14:41.41 | ojwb | it's C++03 (or whatever the previous one is) with additional features |
| 14:42.05 | |Kev| | Yes, it's essentially c++. You just go look up what the syntax means when you first see a lambda, and the like. |
| 14:42.25 | |Kev| | http://swift.im/swiften/guide/#Example-EchoBot0x for example. |
| 14:42.48 | Gushings | :) |
| 14:43.05 | Gushings | I love lambda functions. |
| 14:44.23 | Gushings | That's pretty cool, thanks for the link |
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| 14:45.20 | ojwb | |Kev|: you can make that shorter too - no need to return 0 explicitly from main |
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| 14:46.37 | asaldhan | I am an admin for a participating organization. I had questions about mentor payments. How do I contact gsoc office directly? |
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| 14:47.05 | |Kev| | asaldhan: Are they questions likely to be able to answered by someone here, instead of going straight to Carol? |
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| 14:47.18 | |Kev| | Othewise, email Carol - you'll have her address from the lists. |
| 14:47.46 | asaldhan | |Kev|: can you point me to the lists? |
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| 14:49.06 | |Kev| | !faq | asaldhan |
| 14:49.06 | gsocbot | asaldhan: "faq" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs |
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| 14:50.19 | ojwb | asaldhan: but as kev says, if we might be able to answer, that's better |
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| 14:51.30 | thiago | Gushings: what do you need on C++11? |
| 14:53.10 | asaldhan | |Kev|: ojwb: we are associated with a public company, so we have to tread through financial payments in certain ways. Hence wanted to contact gsoc directly. |
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| 14:55.00 | ojwb | invoicing happens after the coding period, so you might want to wait until things are calmer |
| 14:55.19 | asaldhan | |Kev|: ojwb: summary is the mentors would like the payments to be available for some time of ambassador/oss type thing - for the benefit of oss. I will wait after coding period, then. :) |
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| 14:55.42 | asaldhan | |Kev|: ojwb: s/time/type |
| 14:56.10 | |Kev| | asaldhan: What you do with the payments once you collect them is up to you - put them back into your org, organise a conference, donate to charity, give to the mentors, whatever. |
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| 14:56.50 | ojwb | you just invoice google for it and they pay, much as you'd invoice any company you'd supplied services to |
| 14:57.07 | asaldhan | |Kev|: ojwb: got it. |
| 14:59.04 | asaldhan | |Kev|: ojwb: also we are in a situation this way. Previously "JBoss Community" was part of the Fedora program in gsoc of previous years. Students are expressing a lot of apprehension that we are first time entities and we will be allocated 1-2 slots. Fact is we are experienced in gsoc but we are two separate programs now - fedora and jboss. |
| 14:59.52 | asaldhan | |Kev|: ojwb: students are saying - it is not going to be work out, if we submit our proposals anyway. |
| 15:00.03 | asaldhan | is digging public thread |
| 15:00.10 | ojwb | there was some discussion on the mentor list about that |
| 15:01.13 | Gushings | thiago Looking for a patch to provide to an organization I am applying for. One of the simpler "quick" tasks involves converting the built in RNG to the C++11 one. |
| 15:01.22 | asaldhan | ojwb: http://lists.jboss.org/pipermail/gsoc/2012-April/000009.html http://lists.jboss.org/pipermail/gsoc/2012-April/000041.html http://lists.jboss.org/pipermail/gsoc/2012-April/000037.html |
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| 15:02.33 | ojwb | it's not as crude as a blanket <=2 on all orgs which haven't taken part before |
| 15:02.48 | thiago | Gushings: sounds too small for a benefit |
| 15:03.09 | asaldhan | ojwb: I did silence their fears a bit. http://lists.jboss.org/pipermail/gsoc/2012-April/000038.html |
| 15:03.19 | thiago | Gushings: also, since most compilers aren't that advanced in C++11, I expect a "full port to C++11" to be more relevant in GSoC 2014 |
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| 15:03.55 | Michitux | asaldhan: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-summer-of-code-mentors-list/w4ttVsa36j4/lxuEtqVQiDMJ |
| 15:04.37 | asaldhan | Michitux: thanks so much for the link. :) |
| 15:04.41 | Gushings | thiago It's not my proposal by any means, just a patch. You are suggesting I pick something larger to demonstrate my skills? |
| 15:04.48 | thiago | Gushings: yes |
| 15:04.56 | thiago | fixing the RNG to use C++11 is a one-hour task |
| 15:05.00 | thiago | not a three-month one |
| 15:05.09 | Gushings | thiago I -definitely- agree. |
| 15:05.16 | Gushings | my proposal has nothing to do with RNG's. |
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| 15:05.26 | thiago | ah |
| 15:05.28 | abral | hello |
| 15:05.28 | ojwb | this is a qualifying task rather than a 3 month project, isn't it? |
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| 15:05.36 | thiago | so you just want someone to review your patch? |
| 15:05.37 | abral | i've problems uploading my application |
| 15:05.39 | Gushings | Not even required for qualification. |
| 15:05.47 | asaldhan | Michitux: I have sent request to join the group. :) |
| 15:05.48 | Gushings | I just want to show them I'm invested. |
| 15:06.00 | Gushings | And actually able to code. |
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| 15:06.07 | Michitux | asaldhan: you should be automatically added to that group when you are a mentor |
| 15:06.15 | Michitux | asaldhan: can you see that post? |
| 15:06.23 | asaldhan | Michitux: I cannot see the post. |
| 15:06.30 | dzhus | So when is deadline exactly? |
| 15:06.36 | ojwb | 19:00 UTC |
| 15:06.40 | ojwb | on friday |
| 15:07.01 | ojwb | but if you want to know exactly, you are doing it wrong |
| 15:07.02 | dzhus | but google calendar said it's 12:00 for my TZ. And I'm 4 hours ahead UTC. |
| 15:07.02 | asaldhan | Michitux: maybe I never applied for mentor. I am the admin. |
| 15:07.06 | abral | I click on submit and after a lot of time of loading nothing happens |
| 15:07.16 | dzhus | yeah but it's awkward |
| 15:07.21 | asaldhan | Michitux: let me try that. :) I will apply as mentor and approve myself. :) |
| 15:07.34 | abral | what can I do? |
| 15:07.34 | ojwb | asaldhan: mentors *and admins* should get added automatically |
| 15:07.36 | dzhus | also faq says April 9. |
| 15:07.50 | asaldhan | ojwb: ahhh. |
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| 15:08.10 | gevaerts | dzhus: where? |
| 15:08.23 | gevaerts | Oh |
| 15:08.25 | gevaerts | finds it |
| 15:08.26 | gevaerts | hm |
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| 15:08.32 | gevaerts | That's not good |
| 15:08.36 | Michitux | asaldhan: the question was if organizations that participated for two or three years under an umbrella org would be subject to the limit for new orgs, and the official answer from cat allman is that they would view them as experienced orgs |
| 15:08.47 | ojwb | dzhus: it also says 6th more clearly |
| 15:08.49 | ojwb | but that's bad |
| 15:08.52 | asaldhan | refers folks to his blog post: http://anil-identity.blogspot.com/2012/04/student-interaction-via-gsoc-has-been.html Thank you gsoc for the best experience. :) |
| 15:08.57 | asaldhan | Michitux: perfecto! |
| 15:09.19 | gevaerts | sees no google folks around to tell |
| 15:09.24 | abral | is there a channel to ask about technical problems of gsoc web site? |
| 15:09.30 | ojwb | abral: #melange |
| 15:09.39 | abral | ojwb, thank you |
| 15:09.55 | Michitux | asaldhan: and that the limit to 1 or 2 slots is mainly in order to give new orgs a chance to learn how to handle the demands of the program |
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| 15:11.15 | Michitux | asaldhan: btw. I think in fact every admin has also the role of a mentor (at least technically) |
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| 15:12.05 | kodaws | is there a problem if we dedicate one of our students to work on a separate project? |
| 15:12.13 | ojwb | gevaerts (or anyone): did you email someone about that bad date in the faq? |
| 15:12.20 | gevaerts | No, not yet |
| 15:12.31 | gevaerts | I was trying to decide who to email about it |
| 15:12.33 | asaldhan | Michitux: agree to the justification but as my blog post says (http://anil-identity.blogspot.com/2012/04/student-interaction-via-gsoc-has-been.html), we are fully prepared. :) |
| 15:12.58 | ojwb | gevaerts: carols i guess |
| 15:13.07 | ojwb | i wonder if the melange guys can edit it |
| 15:13.13 | ojwb | it's obviously wrong |
| 15:13.34 | gevaerts | ojwb: yes, but I haven't seen carols around this week |
| 15:13.45 | ojwb | cat has been |
| 15:13.54 | gevaerts | nods |
| 15:13.56 | ojwb | and stephanie |
| 15:14.01 | gevaerts | nods |
| 15:14.17 | ojwb | i'll leave it in your capable hands anyway, i should sleep |
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| 15:15.02 | gevaerts | OK. I'll mail all three I guess |
| 15:16.47 | ojwb | gevaerts: that seems reasonable to me |
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| 15:23.22 | gevaerts | OK, email sent |
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| 15:26.29 | waheed | hey, can I discuss something about a project here, or I have to go to the project channel |
| 15:26.31 | waheed | ? |
| 15:26.38 | |Kev| | waheed: Go to the channel for the org in question. |
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| 15:28.38 | waheed | I just don't know the official channel of the org yet |
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| 15:29.03 | waheed | any one here know the phpMyAdmin official channel? |
| 15:29.19 | NhanTDN | #phpmyadmin |
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| 15:30.16 | waheed | thanks NhanTDN |
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| 15:37.49 | Mayank | http://google-melange.com down? |
| 15:38.18 | thgil | Down for me |
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| 15:38.55 | dadkins_afk | http://www.isup.me/ |
| 15:39.02 | dadkins_afk | looks like it is down |
| 15:39.22 | Mayank | yeah! |
| 15:40.11 | Al_Da_Best | Fine for me |
| 15:40.34 | Mayank | there was some alternate link through which you could access Melange. Any one remembers that? |
| 15:41.16 | Mayank | last year* |
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| 15:48.12 | calibwam | Back up again |
| 15:48.28 | Mayank | its back up! :) |
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| 15:51.45 | platzhirsch1 | 27h left untilt he application window closes, good thing, then I can start spending time on other things ;) |
| 15:52.08 | gevaerts | Oh no you can't! |
| 15:52.26 | gevaerts | That's not the organisation decision deadline, so you'll have to keep impressing them! |
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| 15:53.46 | solardiz | gevaerts: you seem to imply it's ok to stop impressing once a student is selected. ;-) we should also be reminding students that failing after selection is quite possible - including even before the official start of coding date. |
| 15:54.11 | gevaerts | solardiz: *some* students can stop then :) |
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| 15:55.09 | solardiz | gevaerts: depends on org/student/expectations in a specific case, indeed. |
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| 15:55.39 | gevaerts | solardiz: the accepted ones should keep busy, yes :) |
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| 15:55.55 | solardiz | gevaerts: oh, that ;-) |
| 15:56.08 | platzhirsch1 | Well of course, it would be fun to work with the organization in any way |
| 15:56.45 | myth17 | I am really excited but the follow up period after application deadline is way too long and hard on students I believe ;) |
| 15:57.04 | solardiz | changing topic, we have a prospective co-mentor from Cuba. he's been contributing code for a long while, etc. however, the gsoc website is not even available from Cuba (gives error 403). |
| 15:57.23 | solardiz | are mentors from Cuba allowed? i only found that orgs, org admins, and students from Cuba are not allowed. but mentors? |
| 15:58.01 | solardiz | since there are no direct financial transactions between Google and mentors, i thought this would be possible |
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| 15:58.41 | Catfish_Man | solardiz: that seems plausible to me, but carols is the only one who can give a real answer on something like that |
| 15:58.53 | |Kev| | I *think* there was a similar question on the list. |
| 15:59.08 | gevaerts | I'd say it's also entirely possible that the 403 is sent before the request even reaches google |
| 15:59.32 | |Kev| | (With the conclusion that Google couldn't deal with orgs or students in the banned country list, but that mentors were ok) |
| 15:59.40 | Catfish_Man | gevaerts: that's unnerving |
| 15:59.58 | |Kev| | Someone was reporting that Melange was blocked somewhere else too. |
| 16:00.01 | |Kev| | Turkey, possibly. |
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| 16:00.44 | solardiz | we can bypass the 403 by using a proxy server, but we didn't want to do anything against program rules |
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| 16:02.15 | solardiz | Kev: do you recall any keywords from that thread on the list? maybe the specific country the question was about? |
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| 16:02.41 | |Kev| | solardiz: I don't, sorry. I know that's unhelpful. |
| 16:04.31 | solardiz | gevaerts: the error page (forwarded to me in text form) looks like it's generated by Melange, so i think the http request does reach there. |
| 16:05.00 | platzhirsch1 | I am troubled, should I spend time writing 2 more applications or rewrite my current 2 applications, gnah |
| 16:05.15 | solardiz | "You are accessing this page from a forbidden country." and some additional detail |
| 16:05.38 | gevaerts | Ah, ok |
| 16:05.46 | |Kev| | platzhirsch1: You don't have time to apply to two additional orgs at this point. |
| 16:05.51 | |Kev| | IMHOYMMV. |
| 16:06.09 | solardiz | platzhirsch1: applications might not be as important as your interactions with the orgs you're applying to |
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| 16:06.37 | solardiz | platzhirsch1: although of course if you don't get an application into melange, they get no chance to accept you under gsoc |
| 16:06.37 | platzhirsch1 | solardiz: This would correlate with |Kev|s statement |
| 16:06.49 | solardiz | platzhirsch1: it does |
| 16:07.22 | platzhirsch1 | Well some organizations keep the whole communication a little bit low |
| 16:07.34 | platzhirsch1 | On these you get the feeling, the application is everything |
| 16:07.38 | solardiz | platzhirsch1: this may be in part because they receive a lot of applications |
| 16:08.02 | re588 | 1 day and 2 hours isnt enough to apply to 2 organisations? ;o |
| 16:08.10 | solardiz | platzhirsch1: either that or they're just not interested or have no time to interact with you now or you're not inviting them to interact with you now |
| 16:08.15 | platzhirsch1 | re588: well it's all about quality |
| 16:08.35 | |Kev| | re588: No, absolutely not, IMO. |
| 16:09.02 | |Kev| | re588: But I expect students to have made reasonable contact outside Melange, and submitted patches. |
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| 16:09.25 | solardiz | some orgs may be ok with considering a last-moment application like this if the student adds all the impressive detail in the following few days (outside of melange is ok) |
| 16:09.47 | solardiz | although of course they'll be "penalized" for applying this late |
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| 16:10.00 | platzhirsch1 | penalized? |
| 16:10.11 | solardiz | i mean, if a student barely meets the application deadline, they might also be more likely to be late for other deadlines of the program if accepted |
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| 16:10.35 | Catfish_Man | g'morning lh :) |
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| 16:10.47 | |Kev| | And a personal peeve is a student submitting a proposal with only 1/2 days left, and then chasing the mentors telling them how urgent it is to give them feedback. |
| 16:10.53 | platzhirsch1 | well, I am afraid and a little bit stressed, I guess I will do any open source project this summer anyway |
| 16:11.07 | |Kev| | Don't be that guy. |
| 16:11.18 | platzhirsch1 | huh? |
| 16:11.29 | |Kev| | See my prior comment. |
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| 16:11.49 | |Kev| | Yes, some students do this. It winds me up. |
| 16:12.27 | platzhirsch1 | No, I meant, if I don't get accepted I will look out for an open source project which I would really like to do for free |
| 16:12.38 | |Kev| | Yes, my comment wasn't about that :) |
| 16:12.50 | |Kev| | I think that's a good idea anyway (as will most anyone else). |
| 16:12.52 | platzhirsch1 | oh no I get it, nevermind then |
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| 16:28.13 | mlankhorst | !next |
| 16:28.14 | gsocbot | mlankhorst: "next" is Apr 6 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. |
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| 16:32.14 | nemo | aaaaaahhhh. so. many. proposals. |
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| 16:32.17 | nemo | feels snowed in |
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| 16:33.02 | nemo | I don't get how kodaws does it... |
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| 16:34.32 | platzhirsch | nemo: kodaws? |
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| 16:37.56 | nemo | platzhirsch: our admin |
| 16:38.19 | nemo | platzhirsch: he's busily going through them, and even pasting IRC comments into the web UI |
| 16:38.41 | platzhirsch | wow |
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| 16:41.13 | nemo | kodaws: so what's the score right now? :) |
| 16:44.00 | nemo | 14 proposal e-mails notifying of changes or new proposals in 2 hours... |
| 16:44.08 | nemo | less than 2 |
| 16:44.20 | nemo | I've only read 4 :( |
| 16:44.29 | nemo | and not as in-depth as they deserve |
| 16:44.46 | platzhirsch | wow, again |
| 16:44.46 | nemo | welp. there goes the evening |
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| 16:44.59 | platzhirsch | nemo: from which organozation are you? |
| 16:45.02 | nemo | Hedgewars |
| 16:45.13 | nemo | you? |
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| 16:45.33 | platzhirsch | nemo: none, I am a student |
| 16:45.36 | nemo | ah :) |
| 16:45.52 | platzhirsch | currently writing a proposal for Gedgewars to extend your workload |
| 16:46.02 | nemo | lol |
| 16:46.03 | platzhirsch | no, just kidding |
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| 16:46.55 | platzhirsch | well I guess there are many who are intersested in doing an open source game |
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| 16:47.55 | nemo | platzhirsch: we have a lot of fun languages and components too :) |
| 16:48.16 | nemo | platzhirsch: AI project, pascal to C||js||llvm, GLES conversion... |
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| 16:48.41 | platzhirsch | xHaskell, too nice |
| 16:48.45 | platzhirsch | Haskell* |
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| 16:49.19 | platzhirsch | I wonder what the average number of proposals for a student is |
| 16:49.36 | agliodbs | !stats |
| 16:49.37 | gsocbot | agliodbs: I have 2 registered users with 2 registered hostmasks; 1 owner and 0 admins. |
| 16:49.43 | agliodbs | hmmmph |
| 16:49.56 | re588 | definately not 20 ;/ |
| 16:50.14 | re588 | definitely* |
| 16:50.16 | platzhirsch | I would guess 3-4 |
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| 17:08.46 | j4nu5 | kai: can students submit slight modifications to their proposals after the deadline? |
| 17:09.10 | j4nu5 | can students submit slight modifications to their proposals after the deadline? |
| 17:09.37 | JordiGH | j4nu5: Not independently. Mentors might modify your proposal slightly during that phase if you catch their attention. |
| 17:10.03 | j4nu5 | JordiGH: k .. thanks |
| 17:10.06 | platzhirsch | catch their attention, sounds like bombing their mailbox |
| 17:10.13 | |Kev| | Org admins can allow you to change your application text. |
| 17:10.36 | mlankhorst | platzhirsch: It does that ;') |
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| 17:10.40 | OsakaFoo | platzhirsch: and sending cake with proposals attached |
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| 17:20.44 | denials | wonders how applicants can miss the "submit a patch" requirement when it's part of the org's application template, part of the org's ideas page, and part of the org's most recent blog post |
| 17:21.19 | denials | perhaps "I'm going to pretend I didn't see that" self-defense mechanism :) |
| 17:21.21 | platzhirsch | denials: They hope that its not that important |
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| 17:22.49 | Taggnostr | hello |
| 17:23.08 | platzhirsch | Taggnostr: Hey there |
| 17:23.36 | JordiGH | So I'm going to get a pile of awesome proposals tomorrow, right? |
| 17:23.57 | platzhirsch | JordiGH: it dependfs |
| 17:24.03 | platzhirsch | depends* |
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| 17:24.10 | gevaerts | JordiGH: yes, at 18:55 UTC :) |
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| 17:30.04 | schumaml | 18:59:59 utc |
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| 17:30.42 | gevaerts | schumaml: some students are reasonable and add in a margin of a few minutes to allow for possible problems |
| 17:31.15 | platzhirsch | haha |
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| 17:38.56 | platzhirsch | what the HTML tag for bribe? I want to include something in the proposal |
| 17:39.37 | weltallAnd3 | XD |
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| 17:41.42 | harshadura | hi |
| 17:42.14 | harshadura | Still we got 1 day to submit proposals ryt? |
| 17:42.31 | harshadura | I was bit confused seeing the google blog |
| 17:42.44 | weltallAnd | <bribe amount ="amt " item="name"/> |
| 17:42.47 | harshadura | it says only hours remaining? |
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| 17:44.01 | sttaylor | hours as in the last 25 hours. We don't want people waiting until the last minute because if you miss the deadline by even a minute your proposal will not be accepted. |
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| 17:44.43 | |Kev| | sttaylor: And it still won't stop people trying, and failing because their cat tripped over the power cord in the last minute, and trying to get extensions. |
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| 17:45.02 | harshadura | thx for the info sttaylor, okay sure |
| 17:45.12 | |Kev| | But waiting to see what this year's excuses are will be fun. |
| 17:45.14 | allman | hi all. |
| 17:45.21 | sttaylor | yes and they won't get one, which is why we encourage people to submit at least a few hours before the deadline in case something comes up, your internet crashes, etc. |
| 17:45.33 | haseeb | How much time for deadline? |
| 17:45.44 | |Kev| | !next | haseeb |
| 17:45.45 | gsocbot | haseeb: "next" is Apr 6 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. |
| 17:45.56 | fpetkovski | hey guys, i got an error message that i can't register as a student since i'm already registered as a mentor, but i never applied as a mentor... |
| 17:45.57 | |Kev| | Which is about 25 hours and 15 minutes. |
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| 17:46.03 | sttaylor | it would be a shame if you missed out on being in the program because of procrastination |
| 17:46.10 | haseeb | Thanks :-) |
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| 17:46.24 | Jumpyshoes | hi all, does anyone have a link to the offical rules for gsoc? |
| 17:46.50 | dhaun | !apply-mentor | fpetkovski |
| 17:46.50 | gsocbot | fpetkovski: "apply-mentor" is mail melange-soc@googlegroups.com with the link_id (top right of your screen) and tell them you are mistakenly registered as a mentor |
| 17:46.53 | allman | jumpyshoes: see the FAQ |
| 17:47.16 | Jumpyshoes | allman: are those the official rules? |
| 17:47.20 | fpetkovski | ok thank you. |
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| 17:51.16 | allman | yes. |
| 17:51.28 | Jumpyshoes | allman: ah, thanks |
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| 17:53.00 | allman | jumpyshoes: did you have a question? |
| 17:53.16 | agliodbs | Kev: I think we should have a "best excuse" contest |
| 17:53.25 | sahil | hi all! i wanted to know that if i submit my proposal once can i update it? |
| 17:53.38 | |Kev| | !edit | sahil |
| 17:53.38 | gsocbot | sahil: "edit" is Students can edit proposals up until the application deadline. Mentors can allow students to edit proposals on a case-by-case basis after the deadline. Note that comments on proposals can _not_ be edited after submitting. |
| 17:53.59 | jol | Hi folks! I'm having problems logging in/registering on the google-melange.com site, after choosing my Google account (and I've tried with several different ones) I get a "Error: Server Error" with a link to AppEngine website :( |
| 17:54.10 | sahil | thanks..:) |
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| 17:55.30 | denials | Given the general set of responses to any Google post on G+, I predict "ICS update isn't available for my Nexus S" or "XXYY Service is not available in my country" will be a popular excuse for why an application wasn't submitted on time |
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| 17:56.59 | allman | jol: I just tested in on my machine with no issues with 2 different accounts :( Perhaps a restart would help? |
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| 17:57.47 | agliodbs | jol: I'd suggest closing out of your browser. |
| 17:57.48 | jol | allman: I tried it yesterday, it didn't work either. And I doubt restarting my computer would help. |
| 17:58.03 | agliodbs | jol: and making sure you're logged into only one google account (the one you want to use) |
| 17:58.15 | agliodbs | jol: melange doesn't work well with multiple google accounts |
| 17:58.41 | jol | agliodbs: oh, I'm logged in into 6 accounts I think :D let me try that |
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| 17:59.45 | jol | aligodbs: that helped! Thanks! |
| 18:00.48 | agliodbs | jol: I keep a separate browser open (safari) just for doing melange |
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| 18:02.49 | jol | agliodbs: it's a bit sad, but looks like I'll have to do that as well |
| 18:03.08 | dberkholz | you can also start another instance in stealth mode or whatever your browser calls it |
| 18:03.22 | dberkholz | or make sure your melange account is your default google one |
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| 18:08.35 | kanha | where to submit stuedent's gsoc proposal for the oranisation? |
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| 18:08.53 | kanha | *student's |
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| 18:11.49 | allman | kanha: please follow the instruction on the Melange page of the organization you are applying to work with. |
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| 18:14.20 | tuubow | Is there any list of organizations participating GSOC 2012 |
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| 18:16.10 | thiago | yes |
| 18:16.29 | tuubow | can you pass me the url... |
| 18:16.34 | sttaylor | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2012 |
| 18:16.36 | allman | tuubow: see http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2012 |
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| 20:01.22 | *** topic/#gsoc is http://www.google-melange.com Google Summer of Code 2012 has started! Accepted organizations have been announced. You can check out the timeline: http://goo.gl/FQb2b and the FAQs: http://goo.gl/Lh4R8 for more information. | If your org was rejected and you want to find out why, email carols |
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| 20:01.29 | koda | so is there any problem in giving one the slots to a student working on another codebase, but for the same organization? |
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| 20:02.31 | gevaerts | koda: not as far as I can remember. Let me find a link... |
| 20:03.03 | agliodbs | koda: there is not. as long as it's your org and your mentor ... |
| 20:03.23 | agliodbs | koda: many orgs actually have multiple codebases. FSF or Apache, for example |
| 20:03.24 | agliodbs | even us |
| 20:04.02 | koda | well it's going to be their mentors but yeah, everything should be done through my org |
| 20:04.07 | gevaerts | koda: http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/20110325.html.gz at 19:04.07 and 19:08.00 |
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| 20:05.08 | koda | oh nice |
| 20:05.12 | koda | thanks for sharing it |
| 20:05.39 | koda | agliodbs, gevaerts from which org are you from? |
| 20:05.45 | calibwam | Who was the genius only allowing ascii characters in the name and adress for the registration? |
| 20:06.05 | gevaerts | calibwam: the people running the shipping company used for gsoc stuff |
| 20:06.17 | gevaerts | koda: rockbox. I'm resting this year |
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| 20:06.44 | koda | gevaerts: oh i met someone from rockbox at the mentor summit last year! |
| 20:06.45 | calibwam | But now I won't get my real name on my profile :( |
| 20:06.49 | koda | maybe it's you :p |
| 20:06.54 | gevaerts | koda: must have been me :) |
| 20:06.59 | koda | \o/ |
| 20:07.34 | calibwam | Oh no, you are cool. Public name != shipping name! :D |
| 20:07.44 | gevaerts | koda: scorche|sh refused to come to the mentor summit last year claiming a more interesting conference elsewhere, so it was just me |
| 20:08.13 | koda | i'm the guy from hedgewars, we spoke for a while near the pool |
| 20:08.21 | gevaerts | Ah, right, yes |
| 20:08.35 | gevaerts | remembers |
| 20:10.25 | koda | yeah i also remember you mentioning that you were not going to participate this year |
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| 20:10.44 | koda | but it's great you've stuck around helping newcomers! |
| 20:11.10 | gevaerts | I'm on irc anyway, so why not? :) |
| 20:11.29 | agliodbs | koda: Postgres |
| 20:11.43 | Phitherek_ | phew, proposal written and sent, finally... |
| 20:12.33 | allman | gevaerts is super cool for helping :) |
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| 20:14.30 | DanBurton | Is the "community bonding period" considered part of the "paid" time for gsoc? |
| 20:14.36 | thiago | no |
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| 20:15.17 | DanBurton | so it's more like "at your leisure, you should be familiarizing yourself with the community" time, rather than the 'serious commitment' time that follows? |
| 20:15.28 | gevaerts | That's correct, yes |
| 20:15.39 | DanBurton | excellent, thanks. :) |
| 20:15.52 | thiago | note that some students have slightly different arrangements |
| 20:15.57 | nemo | calibwam: you could always enter your name as UTF-7 ;) |
| 20:15.57 | dzhus | you read existing code or papers, ask advices etc. |
| 20:16.09 | gevaerts | Things like following mailing lists or irc discussions, so you get a better feel for what's going on |
| 20:16.17 | thiago | if they cannot dedicate the time during the normal schedule, the org might request that they put in some work before that, in the bonding period |
| 20:16.43 | aghisla | but consider that the community bonding period can hardly be postponed to the beginning of paid time |
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| 20:23.12 | calibwam | Will really a lot of people start coding right away when the period starts? |
| 20:23.33 | calibwam | I have exams the first week of June, so I can't do anything before those have ended.. |
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| 20:23.48 | Phitherek_ | calibwam: so do I |
| 20:23.50 | qdb | "You cannot register as a student since you are already a mentor or organization administrator in Google Summer of Code 2012." - i registered by mistake |
| 20:24.04 | gevaerts | !apply-mentor | qdb |
| 20:24.04 | gsocbot | qdb: "apply-mentor" is mail melange-soc@googlegroups.com with the link_id (top right of your screen) and tell them you are mistakenly registered as a mentor |
| 20:25.05 | agliodbs | calibwam: that's a bit of a challenge |
| 20:25.08 | Phitherek_ | calibwam: I will try to negotiate with my org and schedule time in a way I will manage to do all the things |
| 20:25.14 | agliodbs | calibwam: when are your exams over? |
| 20:25.24 | agliodbs | !schedule |
| 20:25.46 | Phitherek_ | !timeline |
| 20:25.46 | gsocbot | Phitherek_: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2012 |
| 20:25.49 | agliodbs | !timeline |
| 20:25.49 | gsocbot | agliodbs: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2012 |
| 20:25.57 | gevaerts | calibwam: exam and vacation periods vary quite a lot. For Europeans the gsoc period tends not to be aligned very well to university schedules, US people have it a lot easier. However, don't feel too bad, just think of what people in the southern hemisphere must feel |
| 20:26.08 | Phitherek_ | agliodbs: first ;) |
| 20:26.15 | calibwam | agliodbs: My last exam is 8 of June |
| 20:26.25 | downey | DanBurton: Keep in mind that if a student has not "bonded" with the community at the end of the community bonding period, they may not begin coding. In other words, students need to be in "good standing" at the beginning of GSoC in order to participate. |
| 20:27.14 | agliodbs | calibwam: yeah, so that knocks 3 weeks off your schedule |
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| 20:27.29 | agliodbs | what students often do in that case is to start on their projects as soon as they'er selected |
| 20:27.30 | Phitherek_ | I have a similar situation |
| 20:27.36 | agliodbs | get a couple weeks of part-time work in |
| 20:27.42 | agliodbs | then take time off for exams |
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| 20:27.48 | agliodbs | and then resume |
| 20:28.13 | agliodbs | I know as a project we wouldn't accept someone who couldn't start work until June 10. We tried that last year and it was a failure |
| 20:28.14 | Phitherek_ | agliodbs: Or maybe it is better to discuss it with the community? |
| 20:28.30 | agliodbs | Phitherek_: *definitely* discuss it with the org |
| 20:29.38 | vishal | hi |
| 20:29.48 | Phitherek_ | I tried contacting the org before writing a proposal, but I got no answer, sadly :( |
| 20:30.15 | vishal | i wanted know if we i can edit my application after submission deadline or not? |
| 20:30.27 | Phitherek_ | !edit | vishal |
| 20:30.27 | gsocbot | vishal: "edit" is Students can edit proposals up until the application deadline. Mentors can allow students to edit proposals on a case-by-case basis after the deadline. Note that comments on proposals can _not_ be edited after submitting. |
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| 20:31.48 | vishal | i intend to apply to cern-sft and the org told me that i would be able to edit my application after tomorrow's deadline because last year some of the students were able to do so |
| 20:32.00 | DanBurton | downey: of course, I'll keep that in mind. Thanks :) |
| 20:32.12 | vishal | but last year i couldn't do it..that's why i am asking this |
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| 20:32.32 | vishal | although last year i applied to a different organisation |
| 20:32.42 | Phitherek_ | vishal: It depends on the org I suppose |
| 20:32.46 | sudo | deadline for submitting student proposal is 12:00-13:00,April 6th . this time is in UTC right ? |
| 20:32.50 | sa1 | vishal: I think that the organization gives you permission to edit. |
| 20:33.06 | Phitherek_ | !countdown |
| 20:33.07 | gsocbot | Phitherek_: "countdown" is Countdown for accepted organization list: http://goo.gl/WWIAU |
| 20:33.20 | Phitherek_ | not this :o |
| 20:33.21 | vishal | ok thanks for the resplies |
| 20:33.23 | vishal | :) |
| 20:33.28 | Phitherek_ | http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?msg=GSOC+student+application+deadline&day=06&month=04&year=2012&hour=19&min=00&sec=00&p0=0 |
| 20:33.33 | gevaerts | sudo: 19:00 UTC |
| 20:33.58 | Phitherek_ | !countdown-app |
| 20:33.58 | gevaerts | The 12:00 or 13:00 time is Pacific time, possibly including DST |
| 20:34.17 | Phitherek_ | !learn countdown-app as http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?msg=GSOC+student+application+deadline&day=06&month=04&year=2012&hour=19&min=00&sec=00&p0=0 |
| 20:34.17 | gsocbot | Phitherek_: "countdown-app" is http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?msg=GSOC+student+application+deadline&day=06&month=04&year=2012&hour=19&min=00&sec=00&p0=0 |
| 20:35.29 | Phitherek_ | countdown-app is for Countdown for APPlication deadline, right? :) |
| 20:36.04 | Phitherek_ | I do not want to overwrite an existing factoid |
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| 20:37.35 | sudo | gevaerts: Phitherek_ : thank you for your replies . |
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| 20:38.57 | qdb | gevaerts, i have sent email |
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| 20:46.50 | nenjordi | Does anyone know how to remove a project proposal? |
| 20:47.07 | downey | nenjordi: You can just mark it withdrawn |
| 20:47.31 | Phitherek_ | "Withdraw proposal" on the left? |
| 20:48.04 | nenjordi | oh, inside edit. :p I was looking for some kind of select the project and then withdrawn it |
| 20:50.38 | qdb | gevaerts, they will send me email when they unregister me as mentor? |
| 20:50.58 | gevaerts | qdb: I have no idea. I assume so |
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| 20:51.53 | nenjordi | downey: Phitherek_: btw, thanks! |
| 20:52.03 | downey | nenjordi: no problem |
| 20:52.31 | Phitherek_ | nejordi: no problem :) |
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| 21:13.46 | ashfall_ | !countdown-app |
| 21:13.46 | gsocbot | ashfall_: "countdown-app" is http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?msg=GSOC+student+application+deadline&day=06&month=04&year=2012&hour=19&min=00&sec=00&p0=0 |
| 21:14.17 | thgil | Almost there |
| 21:17.51 | ashfall_ | No, we have 1 more day! |
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| 21:20.24 | calibwam | So is it friday midnight UTC that is the deadline? |
| 21:20.59 | Al_Da_Best | 19:00 UTC |
| 21:21.16 | calibwam | thx |
| 21:22.13 | calibwam | Who would have guessed, the text on the time line is better than the Google calendar bit.. |
| 21:24.40 | gevaerts | It's not. The calendar bit does say which timezone it's in |
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| 21:28.03 | calibwam | It does indeed, but pacific coast timeline tells me so little |
| 21:28.39 | calibwam | It's bad enough with UTC thats -2 hours. |
| 21:29.28 | calibwam | I really don't like time zones |
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| 21:39.49 | monadist | Can we edit submitted applications after deadline? |
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| 21:42.24 | thgil | !edit | monadist |
| 21:42.24 | gsocbot | monadist: "edit" is Students can edit proposals up until the application deadline. Mentors can allow students to edit proposals on a case-by-case basis after the deadline. Note that comments on proposals can _not_ be edited after submitting. |
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| 21:43.27 | monadist | I am still to layout a concrete timeline... it'll need more consulation with the mentor |
| 21:43.52 | monadist | one of the said that I can edit it after the deadline... so I am guessing this is what they meant |
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| 21:44.15 | monadist | thgil, thanks |
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| 21:47.39 | klocatelli | I noticed quite a few orgs just want a preliminary timeline for the application, and flesh out the details later during the bonding period... |
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| 21:50.24 | nepjua | i would like to join soc with gnome, what should i do? |
| 21:50.43 | klocatelli | get in contact with gnome ASAP |
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| 21:51.17 | v1z | nepjua: and don't sleep until fri 7pm UTC |
| 21:51.35 | nepjua | why ? :) |
| 21:52.06 | nepjua | should we solve a bug until fri 7pm ? |
| 21:52.49 | klocatelli | applications close in less than a day and you haven't even gotten in contact with gnome, which I imagine is a highly competitve org... |
| 21:52.53 | klocatelli | get crackin'! :) |
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| 21:53.48 | nepjua | ok i'm going into a maraton thanks :) |
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| 22:56.26 | d34th4ck3r | wonders if he was a mentor he'd release a project for preview of the proposal. :P |
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| 23:06.37 | jrabbit | whats standard proceedure for multi-applications again? |
| 23:07.34 | jrabbit | ah its in the FAQ, sorry :) |
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| 23:12.40 | isaacbw | is the proposal box html? |
| 23:12.55 | isaacbw | nevermind, I see that you can edit the html if you want to |
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| 23:19.41 | isaacbw | can proposals be modified after they have been submitted? |
| 23:20.01 | mmadia | !edit |
| 23:20.01 | gsocbot | mmadia: "edit" is Students can edit proposals up until the application deadline. Mentors can allow students to edit proposals on a case-by-case basis after the deadline. Note that comments on proposals can _not_ be edited after submitting. |
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| 23:21.03 | isaacbw | thank you :) |
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| 23:26.09 | isaacbw | wow, this text editor integrates incredibly well with my custom html |
| 23:26.18 | isaacbw | pop in the latex output and I can edit it easily within malange |
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| 23:30.40 | MatthewWilkes | "wow, this text editor integrates incredibly well with my custom html" - never heard those words together before |
| 23:32.28 | schumaml | bonus points for students who cause the html they put in there to vote and accept their proposals automatically ;) |
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| 23:33.25 | schumaml | ... and someone please tell me that this kind of attack isn't possible |
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| 23:33.49 | isaacbw | MatthewWilkes *rich text editor |
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| 23:35.27 | ojwb | isaacbw: most people moan about tinymce breaking their formatting |
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