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| 00:06.56 | markvilla | Hi, I wan't to improve mi Ruby skills and contribute to a project, with one of the GSoC projects would be more suitable for me? |
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| 00:11.52 | d34th4ck3r | markvilla: how old are you? |
| 00:12.02 | markvilla | 19 |
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| 00:12.48 | markvilla | d34th4ck3r: 19 |
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| 00:13.31 | d34th4ck3r | markvilla: great, what a coincidence almost same number of hours are left for the deadline. |
| 00:14.16 | d34th4ck3r | search for project tagged with ruby at : http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2012 |
| 00:14.18 | markvilla | d34th4ck3r: haha, I know, I like pushing the limits :P |
| 00:14.56 | d34th4ck3r | and propose the method of implementation. |
| 00:15.08 | d34th4ck3r | to the organization. |
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| 00:16.32 | markvilla | Thanks |
| 00:18.56 | thgil | !countdown-app |
| 00:18.56 | gsocbot | thgil: "countdown-app" is http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?msg=GSOC+student+application+deadline&day=06&month=04&year=2012&hour=19&min=00&sec=00&p0=0 |
| 00:19.02 | morgan_b | I am interested in knowing what sort of commitment I will make by submitting an proposal to a project? Do I still have the option of declining the position if an attractive internship offer shows up? |
| 00:19.27 | agliodbs | morgan_b: not once you're selected |
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| 00:19.39 | agliodbs | morgan_b: if you're selected, and you don't turn it down then |
| 00:19.54 | agliodbs | then the project you're applying to loses that slot for the summer |
| 00:20.04 | agliodbs | and you pretty much burn your bridges with Google |
| 00:20.17 | agliodbs | !timeline |
| 00:20.18 | gsocbot | agliodbs: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2012 |
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| 00:20.45 | klocatelli | to be clear, we can decline up to that point though, yes? |
| 00:21.16 | agliodbs | yes. |
| 00:21.30 | klocatelli | ok |
| 00:21.31 | agliodbs | just plan on making a final decision by April 18th |
| 00:21.37 | agliodbs | hmm |
| 00:21.49 | agliodbs | April 23rd, actually |
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| 00:22.04 | agliodbs | if you cancel then, the org can still swap the student just below you in the rankings |
| 00:22.13 | agliodbs | if you wait a week, they can't |
| 00:22.16 | klocatelli | yeah |
| 00:22.20 | agliodbs | and they'll be pretty pissed |
| 00:22.59 | klocatelli | I don't plan on declining or anything, I'm probably the reverse case :P |
| 00:23.06 | klocatelli | just wanted to be clear though ^_^ |
| 00:23.11 | agliodbs | yeah, I didn't get that impression |
| 00:23.13 | thgil | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:23.42 | agliodbs | morgan_b: realistically, given how competitive GSOC is, you really shouldn't apply if it's not your top priority |
| 00:23.53 | agliodbs | thgil: in theory, yes |
| 00:24.02 | agliodbs | thgil: but that only happens around 5% of the time |
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| 00:30.28 | posimpable | where can i submit my proposal, i really find it hard to find the link... |
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| 00:31.05 | dfighter | posimpable your dashboard |
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| 00:33.18 | posimpable | my dashboard has a single thing, my requests |
| 00:33.21 | agliodbs | !submit |
| 00:33.28 | agliodbs | !proposal |
| 00:33.28 | morgan_b | Thanks agliodbs. I'll have to consider this carefully. |
| 00:33.28 | gsocbot | agliodbs: "proposal" is All students have to submit proposal documents for the ideas they have chosen. Read the FAQ at http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs#student_application_looks for details and examples. |
| 00:34.13 | agliodbs | morgan_b: consider that, if you get chosen and then change your mind, some other student may have missed their chance to work on the project |
| 00:34.26 | morgan_b | yeah |
| 00:35.23 | posimpable | dfighter: there's only the list of my proposals in dashboard.. which is none since i cant find where to submit |
| 00:36.22 | dfighter | posimpable there's a link there that highlights the word "apply" |
| 00:36.32 | dfighter | http://www.picbutler.de/bild/248310/201204060015wlkm5.jpg |
| 00:36.34 | dfighter | like this |
| 00:39.19 | posimpable | i dont have it =( |
| 00:39.21 | posimpable | http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/411026_2054785426737_1757637792_1017217_1134909547_o.jpg |
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| 00:39.56 | posimpable | a bug or something? O_o |
| 00:40.02 | dfighter | posimpable maybe you signed up as a menter? |
| 00:40.05 | dfighter | mentor* |
| 00:41.08 | agliodbs | it looks like he did |
| 00:41.14 | agliodbs | !mentor-requests |
| 00:41.21 | agliodbs | !mentor |
| 00:41.28 | agliodbs | feh |
| 00:41.30 | posimpable | nooo |
| 00:41.43 | agliodbs | !mentor-request |
| 00:41.45 | posimpable | no i'm not signed in as a mentor |
| 00:41.50 | posimpable | ok |
| 00:41.53 | agliodbs | posimpable: are you sure? |
| 00:41.57 | posimpable | how can i check that |
| 00:42.06 | posimpable | well 85% sure |
| 00:42.09 | agliodbs | not sure, I've never been a student |
| 00:42.09 | posimpable | still |
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| 00:42.25 | posimpable | -_o |
| 00:42.29 | posimpable | okay |
| 00:42.36 | dfighter | well if you signed up before the student application period |
| 00:42.48 | posimpable | ya i think so, may be |
| 00:42.50 | dfighter | then you more than likely created a mentor account |
| 00:43.02 | posimpable | but there was no mentioning that i am a mentor |
| 00:43.17 | dfighter | well the site did say so |
| 00:43.42 | posimpable | okay, i'll recreate another one and check it out |
| 00:43.44 | dfighter | where it says "students apply now" it used to say "mentors apply now" |
| 00:43.59 | dfighter | if you click the apply button then |
| 00:44.01 | dfighter | then you are a mentor |
| 00:45.44 | agliodbs | there's a place you're supposed to email if this happens to you |
| 00:45.54 | agliodbs | but I can't get the bot to disgorge it |
| 00:46.02 | agliodbs | !help |
| 00:46.03 | gsocbot | agliodbs: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. |
| 00:46.09 | agliodbs | feh |
| 00:46.17 | agliodbs | !mentor |
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| 00:48.11 | dzhus | I hate rich text editor in proposal submit form. |
| 00:48.51 | posimpable | dfighter: you're right, i used another gmail account to login and now i am applying as a student |
| 00:48.57 | posimpable | thank you |
| 00:49.10 | dfighter | np |
| 00:50.01 | klocatelli | yeah, I wish it was just raw markdown or something :/ |
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| 00:52.24 | dfighter | dzhus paste plain text there and then it won't mess it up |
| 00:52.33 | dfighter | then format it in place |
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| 01:19.13 | ardahal | can a student modify the proposal after the last date ? |
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| 01:19.50 | Triskelios | !edit | ardahal |
| 01:19.50 | gsocbot | ardahal: "edit" is Students can edit proposals up until the application deadline. Mentors can allow students to edit proposals on a case-by-case basis after the deadline. Note that comments on proposals can _not_ be edited after submitting. |
| 01:20.20 | ardahal | Triskelios: thanks |
| 01:20.51 | ardahal | but any idea what is 'case-by-case' ? |
| 01:21.33 | MatthewWilkes | ardahal: It means that it's up to the mentoring org and they decide for each proposal |
| 01:22.18 | ardahal | MatthewWilkes: Thanks for the info. |
| 01:22.22 | MatthewWilkes | ardahal: Which means it's not just a switch to say 'any student', or 'any proposal by ardahal', but just 'let this proposal be edited', and you usually need a good reason |
| 01:22.39 | ardahal | gotccha |
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| 01:58.01 | bradengroom | hello |
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| 01:59.35 | nemo | hsr: woah. hsr as in, *our* hsr? |
| 01:59.40 | nemo | the one who made us all that awesome music?? |
| 01:59.57 | hsr | lol no |
| 02:00.01 | nemo | aw :-/ |
| 02:00.09 | nemo | no offence ;) |
| 02:00.17 | hsr | hehe :p |
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| 02:00.35 | nemo | http://www.elhombresinremedio.com/ |
| 02:00.43 | nemo | he did a bunch of the music for Hedgewars |
| 02:01.32 | hsr | ah |
| 02:02.48 | monadist | hey.. |
| 02:03.20 | monadist | I have a really rough timeline, unlike many other applicants.. wondering if this is ok |
| 02:04.03 | monadist | the goals of the project are clear, but we have to choose one of two roadmaps before starting and that hasn't been decided yet |
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| 02:07.24 | ojwb | monadist: that's better directed at the org you're submitting to |
| 02:09.01 | fillinperson | hey, anyone familiar with the eclipse orion project? |
| 02:13.34 | ojwb | !anyone | fillinperson |
| 02:13.34 | gsocbot | fillinperson: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. Try searching for the org's contact info or even just try a /join #<mentoring org here> |
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| 02:15.01 | fillinperson | Yeah, that's where I checked first, but I think they all went to sleep. Thanks tho |
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| 02:29.53 | monadist | how to get link_ids of mentors |
| 02:30.04 | monadist | !link_ids |
| 02:30.12 | monadist | !link_ids | monadist |
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| 02:31.02 | ojwb | monadist: ask them |
| 02:31.26 | ojwb | or do you mean people already signed up as mentors? |
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| 02:31.54 | monadist | people already signed up |
| 02:32.14 | ojwb | assuming you're the org admin, go to: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/dashboard/google/gsoc2012#participants |
| 02:32.24 | ojwb | then click on the "Columns" lower left |
| 02:32.27 | ojwb | and enable key |
| 02:32.33 | ojwb | that shows the link id as the last part |
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| 03:12.49 | josh_007 | I am PHP/jQuery/WebServices/API guy that is working on applications. I'm desperate to join an org and code this summer! Anybody from organizations have ideas for projects and open slots? |
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| 03:20.15 | tomprince | agliodbs: !apply-mentor |
| 03:21.01 | klocatelli | josh_007, have you tried searching for php keyword on the site? |
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| 03:23.46 | josh_007 | klocatelli yes, Im researching companies now, but was hopeful that some organization reps/devs would be hanging out in here to give a little direction |
| 03:24.00 | josh_007 | I looking into wikimedia |
| 03:24.03 | josh_007 | Im* |
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| 03:28.49 | klocatelli | well you have about 15h until applications close so... whatever you do, hurry ;) |
| 03:30.10 | josh_007 | lol thanks |
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| 03:30.13 | Gushings | yeaaah I'd start writing if I were you. |
| 03:30.35 | tomprince | josh_007: Most orgs aren't in fact companies. |
| 03:31.12 | tomprince | Also, promoting particular orgs is mostly discouraged here, in general. (There would be too much noise here, otherwise). |
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| 03:32.37 | josh_007 | gotcha |
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| 03:33.31 | asteig | Thanks for the countdown klocatelli. LOL |
| 03:33.39 | klocatelli | ? |
| 03:33.42 | asteig | I was wondering how close I was cutting it. |
| 03:33.43 | klocatelli | !countdown-app |
| 03:33.43 | gsocbot | klocatelli: "countdown-app" is http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?msg=GSOC+student+application+deadline&day=06&month=04&year=2012&hour=19&min=00&sec=00&p0=0 |
| 03:34.00 | klocatelli | thats my browser home-page right now ^ |
| 03:34.00 | klocatelli | :P |
| 03:34.12 | asteig | Haha, how many are you submitting? |
| 03:34.19 | Gushings | Oh, looks like I've got about 55555 seconds. |
| 03:34.22 | Gushings | no sweat. |
| 03:34.32 | klocatelli | just 1, but I've been working on it since applications opened last week |
| 03:35.03 | Gushings | Have you submitted any patches? |
| 03:35.50 | klocatelli | no, my proposal is creating something from scratch and the org didn't request one |
| 03:36.28 | klocatelli | ^_^ |
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| 03:36.56 | josh_007 | I have been ironically busy coding this week and left this til the last min, really want to participate |
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| 03:37.56 | Gushings | Some of the smaller organizations haven't received any applicants yet supposedly. |
| 03:38.30 | Gushings | If you spend the next 10 hours reading about their projects and writing up proposals you could still have a shot :) |
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| 03:39.45 | klocatelli | well ideally you apply to an org you're interested in, not just to get in and get money.... |
| 03:39.52 | klocatelli | :/ |
| 03:41.49 | Gushings | My comment had nothing to do with money. |
| 03:41.54 | josh_007 | yea cmon bro haha |
| 03:42.11 | josh_007 | Im here to make a change and to learn |
| 03:42.16 | klocatelli | I know, just saying... there are people trying to get in for the money ;) |
| 03:42.35 | josh_007 | not like its the lottery lol |
| 03:43.09 | josh_007 | Gushings, can you msg me the names of those orgs? |
| 03:43.12 | josh_007 | if you know? |
| 03:43.24 | isaacbw | ya I would love to hear some |
| 03:43.30 | isaacbw | too |
| 03:43.55 | Gushings | I don't, it was being discussed in #ruby yesterday and in here earlier. |
| 03:44.08 | Gushings | I didn't ask who they represented however. |
| 03:44.10 | Gushings | Sorry. |
| 03:44.20 | josh_007 | aint no thang, thx |
| 03:44.25 | klocatelli | of course there's a possibility there are many people already lined up for those orgs, and just waiting until the last minute to submit... |
| 03:44.32 | klocatelli | ;) |
| 03:44.34 | josh_007 | NOO |
| 03:45.01 | ojwb | a great application will likely get accepted wherever you apply |
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| 03:45.31 | ojwb | a poor one won't - better to give the slot back than spend 3 months on unrewarding mentoring |
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| 03:45.44 | ojwb | so put your effort into a great application rather than trying to second guess the system |
| 03:45.53 | asteig | How do you know how many apps an org even has? |
| 03:46.00 | ojwb | you don |
| 03:46.03 | ojwb | don't |
| 03:46.05 | asteig | I didn't think so. |
| 03:46.11 | v1z | I second ojwb |
| 03:46.29 | asteig | I know the project I applied for has a ton of people applying for it, but it's the one that seems interesting to me. |
| 03:46.41 | ojwb | but if they have a lot of interest, they're likely to get a lot of slots |
| 03:46.44 | v1z | pple must strive do differentiate themselves, make some extra effort show in ther applications. |
| 03:46.46 | ojwb | that's kind of how it works |
| 03:46.48 | nessup | Anyone from MIT App Inventor in here? I've got a quick question about a potential proposal :) |
| 03:46.52 | v1z | thats what counts. an extra effort likely gets you in. |
| 03:46.56 | hsr | holy cow |
| 03:46.59 | ojwb | !anyone | nessup |
| 03:46.59 | gsocbot | nessup: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. Try searching for the org's contact info or even just try a /join #<mentoring org here> |
| 03:47.06 | hsr | today's last date :O |
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| 03:47.35 | hsr | !panic |
| 03:47.59 | nessup | er, sorry ojwb. I couldn't find an IRC channel for them and figured here would be a good place to start. |
| 03:48.10 | josh_007 | ojwb , v1z Thank for the advice |
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| 03:48.21 | ojwb | nessup: see the contact details in melange = they may not have an IRC channe; |
| 03:48.33 | ojwb | but if they don't, they're probably not IRC users, so unlikely to be here either |
| 03:48.39 | nessup | Yeah, I checked. They don't |
| 03:48.40 | nessup | mhmm. |
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| 03:49.25 | v1z | josh_007: sure. |
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| 03:54.24 | asteig | Anyone submit more than one proposal to the same organization? |
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| 03:55.46 | v1z | asteig: you can do that, but if you submit just one very good one, w/bugfixes, demos, and all, you don't need any more ;) |
| 03:56.03 | asteig | Oh, I don't have a demo at all. Haha |
| 03:56.05 | asteig | That's probably bad. :D |
| 03:56.13 | hsr | bake cookies |
| 03:56.19 | hsr | everyone loves cookies |
| 03:56.21 | v1z | still apply.. just try to do extras if u can |
| 03:56.48 | v1z | kick some b* ;) |
| 03:57.11 | asteig | There are two very unique projects I'm interested in with the same organization. I am just having a hard time coming up with two completely unique proposals and cover letters. |
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| 04:44.14 | hybrid | if i did an application as mentor for gsoc |
| 04:44.38 | hybrid | and i have some coding i want to do so i intend to apply as a student |
| 04:45.07 | NhanTDN | You can, but not the same project or org. |
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| 04:45.44 | v1z | hybrid: you mean you want to know if you have to delete your mentor aplic? |
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| 04:47.11 | hybrid | v1z, that included, but i'll try to do it and see what happens, just checking (heard that it was not possible to mentor and have a student application) |
| 04:47.51 | cool | hybrid, you can code as a mentor too & your student would be happy with this "hands-on" approach |
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| 04:48.44 | v1z | I guess hybrid's question is more about how/if it can be done, not if it is a good idea |
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| 04:49.59 | hybrid | cool, for sure, but i have no student still for this. Actually I have some that are developing with me but i have not registered in any org as mentor |
| 04:50.35 | hybrid | cool, and it would be so cool to do it with another community, with different expertises etc |
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| 04:51.20 | hybrid | i've done some hacking for using libpurple python binding |
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| 04:51.43 | hybrid | have to do it, going to apply as student |
| 04:51.49 | hybrid | :-) |
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| 04:54.02 | hybrid | but i didnt find the way into applying as student as i login by my gmail as mentor |
| 04:54.10 | ojwb | you can't be both, NhanTDN is wrong |
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| 04:54.23 | ojwb | if you want to stop being a mentor see: |
| 04:54.27 | ojwb | !apply-mentor |
| 04:54.27 | gsocbot | ojwb: "apply-mentor" is mail melange-soc@googlegroups.com with the link_id (top right of your screen) and tell them you are mistakenly registered as a mentor |
| 04:54.32 | ojwb | hybrid: ^ |
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| 04:55.15 | hybrid | ojwb, thanks allot |
| 04:55.21 | v1z | nice. |
| 04:56.49 | ojwb | you can do it in different years though, quite a few students go on to mentor in a later year |
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| 04:59.14 | hybrid | ojwb, it would be really cool to mentor and i have some quite nice students hacking with me. I have not registered in any org and this seems the right way to go. If there are orgs in need, let me know pls |
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| 05:00.41 | asteig | When is the pencils down date for GSoC? August 13th? |
| 05:01.16 | MatthewWilkes | !timeline | asteig |
| 05:01.16 | gsocbot | asteig: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2012 |
| 05:02.12 | Guest79570 | if someone is expected to complete his/her degree in 2011 but failed to do so, can he participate in gsoc? |
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| 05:04.11 | coderhs | can a person to be graduated in 2012 participate for GSOC |
| 05:04.17 | wtachi | Guest79570: you have to still be enrolled |
| 05:04.25 | wtachi | coderhs: it depends on the exact date |
| 05:04.29 | wtachi | !eligible |
| 05:04.29 | gsocbot | wtachi: "eligible" is http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs#age_restrictions |
| 05:04.53 | wtachi | "accepted into or enrolled in a college or university program as of April 23, 2012" |
| 05:05.57 | marchael | !next |
| 05:05.58 | gsocbot | marchael: "next" is Apr 6 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. |
| 05:06.11 | marchael | oh, that's today :) |
| 05:06.27 | coderhs | wtachi: thanks according to the doc i need to be enroled as per April 23 :) which is will be |
| 05:06.34 | coderhs | faq |
| 05:06.35 | coderhs | :) |
| 05:06.43 | ojwb | hybrid: orgs will look for previous involvement from their mentors |
| 05:06.47 | wtachi | coderhs: great! |
| 05:08.04 | ojwb | if you're not part of the community already, you're going to really struggle to guide students through working with that community |
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| 05:14.10 | Gushings | Pasting into the GSoC application box from LibreOffice is not nice. |
| 05:14.41 | Gushings | Maybe I should submit an application to LibreOffice as well |
| 05:15.10 | Gushings | The project title would be "Making LibreOffice paste into GSoC properly" |
| 05:15.41 | wtachi | Gushings: it's probably GSoC's fault for using TinyMCE, not LibreOffice's |
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| 05:19.26 | ardahal | well yes, melange has real problems with the copy paste stuff... |
| 05:20.10 | wtachi | edits the HTML, but it's still unpleasant |
| 05:20.12 | hybrid | ojwb, yeah for sure, but i have not talked to them about mentoring by their orgs |
| 05:20.26 | Gushings | A pdf upload option would be nice. |
| 05:20.50 | ojwb | nice for you maybe ... |
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| 05:21.12 | ojwb | though randomly formatted HTML isn't a lot of fun to review either |
| 05:22.22 | wtachi | the most annoying thing is that <pre> isn't monospace in the proposal |
| 05:27.30 | demosdemon | how about just linking it with gdocs… I always wondered why that wasn't an option |
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| 05:31.10 | ashfall_ | demosdemon: +1 on that! |
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| 05:38.26 | thgil | !countdown-app |
| 05:38.26 | gsocbot | thgil: "countdown-app" is http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?msg=GSOC+student+application+deadline&day=06&month=04&year=2012&hour=19&min=00&sec=00&p0=0 |
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| 05:40.06 | klocatelli | nuts, I just realized applications close during a midterms, so I don't get to see people coming in here at the really last minute :( |
| 05:40.54 | MatthewWilkes | klocatelli: You'll get about 15 whiney emails from people that missed the deadline, don't worry |
| 05:41.31 | MatthewWilkes | About 75% will think they deserve special treatment because something stopped them submitting at the last minute |
| 05:41.42 | klocatelli | i'm not a mentor or org person, so I doubt it :/ I'm on the mailing lists though, so there's always that I guess ^_^ |
| 05:41.44 | MatthewWilkes | a few will have been writing their application outside melange and not transferred it |
| 05:41.52 | MatthewWilkes | i meant on the mailing list |
| 05:42.08 | MatthewWilkes | some mentoring orgs will try and get the deadline extended for a potential applicant |
| 05:42.11 | MatthewWilkes | some will have timezones wrong |
| 05:42.28 | MatthewWilkes | but there are *always* emails |
| 05:42.51 | klocatelli | :D |
| 05:44.00 | MatthewWilkes | of course, you're right, IRC is better |
| 05:44.10 | MatthewWilkes | the first complaint will likely come within a few minutes |
| 05:44.20 | ojwb | demosdemon: because that would mean the application could be changed after the deadline |
| 05:45.45 | MatthewWilkes | !extension |
| 05:45.45 | gsocbot | MatthewWilkes: "extension" is not planned. |
| 05:47.06 | ojwb | gives a student a gold star for marking the changed parts of the application in bold |
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| 05:48.21 | klocatelli | uh, so you don't just see the latest one? |
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| 05:52.04 | jps | who has experience mentoring two students for the same task? |
| 05:52.37 | v1z | ojwb: gmail also marks changes 4u |
| 05:53.25 | ojwb | i'd rather not use gmail |
| 05:53.46 | ojwb | jps: I don't have experience of it, but it seems a bad idea to me |
| 05:54.19 | jps | it seems sleazy to me, but I see it's explicitly allowed |
| 05:54.30 | MatthewWilkes | jps: Me |
| 05:54.40 | ojwb | so long as it's not a joint project, it's allowed by the rules |
| 05:54.58 | ojwb | but it seems you're setting it up so one definitely won't get their project merged |
| 05:55.01 | MatthewWilkes | jps: We had two proposals for a task, both were very good, so we worked with both students on expanding the scope of the idea and splitting it in a way that they could do useful work individually |
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| 05:55.52 | ojwb | turning it into different projects, effectively? |
| 05:56.03 | MatthewWilkes | jps: The students actually ended up having a few days together in-person with one of their mentors working on it, thanks to the fact that one student and his mentor were affiliated with the same university and they got funding to bring the other student over |
| 05:56.04 | MatthewWilkes | yep |
| 05:56.08 | jps | that's exactly what I want to do, not split the main task into two, but let them both work on the core, and compare to see how well they do |
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| 05:56.24 | jps | and then have them both work on different UIs after that |
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| 05:56.57 | MatthewWilkes | the only problem with real duplication is that motivation is tricky, as if one student falls behind he might think "there's no point, my work won't get used anyway" |
| 05:56.59 | ojwb | if you're mentoring them both yourself, also beware of how much work that can be |
| 05:57.07 | ojwb | especially if it is your first time mentoring in gsoc |
| 05:57.50 | MatthewWilkes | indeed, 1 student is more than enough work for 1 mentor, 2 students 1 mentor is crazy |
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| 05:58.14 | v1z | metalfinger: good to know |
| 05:58.16 | jps | I figure if one of them makes a web UI and the other makes an Android UI for the same thing, and they both try to make the core algorithm part, maybe they will both be okay |
| 05:58.21 | v1z | ops I meant |
| 05:58.24 | v1z | that for MatthewWilkes |
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| 05:58.38 | metalfinger | lol |
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| 05:59.17 | jps | this would be 2 students 1 mentor, but I don't work full time |
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| 06:00.04 | jps | it's my third year as a mentor, but the first time 2 students picked my proposal |
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| 06:01.40 | hsr | !next |
| 06:01.41 | gsocbot | hsr: "next" is Apr 6 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. |
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| 06:04.51 | klocatelli | and then a longgg time before acceptance/denials >.< |
| 06:05.12 | Triskelios | oh the suspense... |
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| 06:16.49 | nvn | hello gsoc |
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| 06:18.44 | klocatelli | hi |
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| 06:19.37 | Gushings | Hi |
| 06:20.35 | jps | quick survey: how many more student proposals over last year? looking like about 2.5x to me |
| 06:20.43 | Gushings | Anyone know if the proposals are going to be listed on google if made public? |
| 06:21.02 | Gushings | Where are you seeing statistics, jps |
| 06:21.18 | jps | I'm just counting proposals in the dashboard |
| 06:21.41 | Gushings | ah, what are you at? |
| 06:21.46 | jps | 68 |
| 06:21.54 | Gushings | wow. |
| 06:22.03 | jps | lots have already been withdrawn |
| 06:22.28 | Gushings | Did you see that many students engage in communication beforehand? |
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| 06:22.54 | klocatelli | jps, what is your organization? |
| 06:23.04 | jps | R and CMUSphinx |
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| 06:24.16 | klocatelli | nice |
| 06:24.47 | jps | R has 44, Sphinx has 20 |
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| 06:25.04 | ojwb | similar to last year - a bit slower to start with |
| 06:25.12 | jps | not sure why that doesn't add up to 68. Yay melange |
| 06:25.17 | Gushings | R is so awesome |
| 06:25.59 | v1z | looks up to R |
| 06:26.12 | jps | more than have the proposals for R this year involve portfolio analytics or high frequency market data |
| 06:26.47 | Gushings | That's interesting. |
| 06:26.48 | klocatelli | :o |
| 06:27.08 | jps | I'm okay with the former, but I think high frequency trading mostly makes money by skimming off the predictability of institutional large trades (i.e., most people's retirement savings funds) |
| 06:27.18 | jps | not a huge fan of high frequency trading |
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| 06:28.25 | lolfrenz | !deadline |
| 06:28.31 | lolfrenz | !timeline |
| 06:28.31 | gsocbot | lolfrenz: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2012 |
| 06:28.34 | lolfrenz | !next |
| 06:28.35 | gsocbot | lolfrenz: "next" is Apr 6 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. |
| 06:28.41 | lolfrenz | !countdown |
| 06:28.42 | gsocbot | lolfrenz: "countdown" is Countdown for accepted organization list: http://goo.gl/WWIAU |
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| 06:29.42 | ashfall_ | !countdown-app |
| 06:29.42 | gsocbot | ashfall_: "countdown-app" is http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?msg=GSOC+student+application+deadline&day=06&month=04&year=2012&hour=19&min=00&sec=00&p0=0 |
| 06:29.59 | lolfrenz | thanks |
| 06:31.20 | Gushings | high frequency trading is not very respectable now. |
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| 06:32.02 | Gushings | The first guy person who actually implemented it has my respect, maybe. |
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| 06:32.59 | v1z | if an org has lots of student applications, but very few mentors |
| 06:33.12 | JFeustel | Is anyone here available to talk about the LibreOffice projects? |
| 06:33.14 | v1z | does that count against it when Google allocates the spots? |
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| 06:35.22 | kblin | v1z: well, you shouldn't ask for more slots than you can mentor |
| 06:36.00 | v1z | ok so it might be important for orgs to remember to hunt for mentors rather than focusing on students. |
| 06:36.03 | chang | hi, my self is chang, I want to apply for gsoc. My area of interest is image processing, network and android development. Any organization where I may apply |
| 06:36.20 | v1z | (not that there is any time left for that now) |
| 06:36.55 | Gushings | chang a good start would be to search the list of participating organizations for those terms. |
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| 06:37.42 | v1z | number of mentors is perhaps the best guess at the limit on the number of spots. |
| 06:37.53 | chang | Gushings: i've already done that but I found its very late to apply there |
| 06:37.59 | jps | v1z: often it is possible to recruit mentors when there is a shortage, and new mentors can sign up until April 20 |
| 06:38.09 | v1z | great. |
| 06:38.13 | v1z | tks |
| 06:38.20 | chang | Gushings: Can u suggest me any project where there would be a better chance |
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| 06:38.55 | jps | chang: you have 12 hours, you know that right? |
| 06:39.18 | jps | I guess you do |
| 06:39.18 | chang | jps: yes |
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| 06:39.57 | ojwb | v1z: it doesn't make sense to "hunt for mentors" |
| 06:39.59 | kblin | chang: you need to write a decent proposal yourself, so you better find something you can wrap your head around and propose something sensible |
| 06:40.13 | ojwb | mentors need to be willing volunteers, not resentful victims |
| 06:40.20 | jps | chang: you should still be able to apply for what you found in your search -- did they say otherwise? |
| 06:40.23 | v1z | ojwb: right. my bad. |
| 06:40.25 | ojwb | and they need to have an existing involvement with the org |
| 06:40.37 | chang | jps: But there must be some project where rush is less. |
| 06:41.12 | ojwb | even without explicit pressure, there are problems with people feeling they need to offer to mentor to help their org |
| 06:41.15 | Gushings | Deadline is all the same. Number of applicants is not publically visible, but I guess you could try to ask in their IRC channel or something. |
| 06:42.12 | jps | chang |
| 06:42.23 | jps | chang: which project did you want to apply to? |
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| 06:47.44 | kblin | It's important to remember that applying to an org as a student isn't a lottery |
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| 06:50.45 | chang | My area of interest in Image Processing, Android Development, Networking & Web-Development. I have done number of projects in theses areas. I can submit my source code too. Any desperate organization |
| 06:51.53 | ojwb | desperation is an important attribute to look for when choosing a project |
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| 06:53.52 | ojwb | chang: did you try a tag search for "desperate" in the org list? |
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| 08:18.24 | *** topic/#gsoc is http://www.google-melange.com Google Summer of Code 2012 has started! Accepted organizations have been announced. You can check out the timeline: http://goo.gl/FQb2b and the FAQs: http://goo.gl/Lh4R8 for more information. | If your org was rejected and you want to find out why, email carols |
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| 08:25.29 | chang | any desperate organization |
| 08:25.52 | chang | plz reply here is my resume http://web.iiit.ac.in/~avinash.jain/resume/ |
| 08:26.38 | ajed | wtf.. |
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| 08:27.08 | ajed | chang, this is not how it works... you are supposed to approach the organisation which you feel has a project that suits your skills best |
| 08:27.51 | chang | ajed: but i tried the way u told with the organization matching to my skills |
| 08:28.00 | chang | but that didn't work |
| 08:28.11 | ajed | then stop trying! |
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| 08:28.40 | dhaun | chang: what do you mean by "didn't work"? |
| 08:28.54 | ajed | *facepalm* |
| 08:28.58 | chang | ajed: One should never give up. At least I believe |
| 08:29.22 | dhaun | you pick a project that you're interested in, talk to the org about, then submit a proposal through the google-melange website. Which step "didn't work"? |
| 08:29.48 | chang | dhaun: Approach didn't work. |
| 08:30.48 | ajed | chang, if you cannot speak to organisations correctly then you need to change your attitude, you look desperate and that is not a good quality.. and I'm certain that nobody is going to click your link and offer you a project. |
| 08:31.09 | dhaun | agrees with ajed |
| 08:31.36 | dhaun | the orgs get lots of proposals from students already, they are not actively looking for more - you need to approach them |
| 08:31.47 | chang | This is not my attitude. Some buddy told me to do this |
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| 08:32.12 | ajed | chang, the person who told you to spam your cv on an IRC channel is not a friend |
| 08:32.25 | chang | I was doing the same thing exactly you told |
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| 08:33.12 | chang | ajed: Ok, please accept my apology. I am new to GSoC and on IRC |
| 08:33.39 | chang | Is there any chance left |
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| 08:34.25 | ajed | it is very unlikely that an organisation would take you seriously at such a late stage |
| 08:34.39 | chang | ajed: Please let me know I'm ready to work really hard |
| 08:34.59 | ajed | most students have invested weeks on their project plans and had significant contact with their organisations regarding their proposal |
| 08:35.50 | ajed | chang, i suggest you speak directly with organisations, technically there is a chance but realistically it is very very late |
| 08:36.26 | chang | ajed: ok, I'll try. Thanx for your help |
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| 08:38.43 | NhanTDN | slaps NhanTDN around a bit with a large trout |
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| 08:39.58 | shifu | i saw the same CV on a forum few days ago |
| 08:40.15 | shifu | and i was impressed |
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| 08:40.53 | azeem2 | Hello |
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| 08:43.58 | ajed | to be honest, it's more of a student profile than a cv |
| 08:44.15 | v1z | http://www.deletetheweb.com/unstuck/ren-or-stimpy.jpg |
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| 08:51.43 | chang | ajed: Sir I found an organization. Let me know if you can help me. http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/google/gsoc2012/evergreen |
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| 09:04.20 | NhanTDN | You should check their Ideas Page for projects that fit your skills. |
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| 09:18.09 | vikasp | hello |
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| 09:20.45 | NhanTDN | What is link_id used for? |
| 09:20.58 | spindizzy | !next |
| 09:20.59 | gsocbot | spindizzy: "next" is Apr 6 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. |
| 09:21.26 | dhaun | NhanTDN: it's more or less simply your username in Melange |
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| 09:23.28 | NhanTDN | dhaun: Thanks. |
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| 09:30.55 | oy | how can a org admin assign himself as a mentor to proposal? |
| 09:31.17 | gevaerts | oy: org admins are automatically mentors |
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| 09:32.01 | oy | but I do not appear in the list of possible mentors for the selected proposal |
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| 09:33.09 | gevaerts | I haven't ever seen the admin bits myself, but isn't that list restricted to those mentors who clicked on "I'm willing to mentor this project"? |
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| 09:34.55 | oy | gevaerts: clicking on the Wish to Mentor check box shows "yes". But my name appears not in the "Possible Mentors:" line |
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| 09:36.16 | gevaerts | doesn't know then |
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| 09:36.48 | oy | is there a need to hurry up with mentor selection? or can I simply assign later on? |
| 09:36.50 | dzhus | can I see all public proposals for the project? |
| 09:37.18 | oy | dzhus: as mentor - yes |
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| 09:37.46 | param__ | Hi , I have questn, Can mentor from Organisation X get to know that I have also submitted proposal in Organisation Y |
| 09:37.47 | param__ | ? |
| 09:37.49 | dzhus | but I'm random by-passer |
| 09:38.18 | gevaerts | !public | dzhus |
| 09:38.18 | gsocbot | dzhus: "public" is If a proposal is public anyone can see it if they have the url. Non-public proposals are visible by the student and the mentors for the organization they applied to. There is no list of all public proposals. |
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| 09:38.40 | param___ | sorry I got dc |
| 09:38.42 | dzhus | ;_; |
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| 09:39.06 | param___ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:39.37 | gevaerts | param___: only of both organisations try to select you |
| 09:40.07 | dzhus | In 2009 I had different account in Melange and participated, is it possible to merge the two? I went paranoid in 2011 and deleted all passwords, but my original 2009 project page is still there. |
| 09:40.52 | gevaerts | dzhus: I'd suggest asking in #melange, but given timezones I'd expect not many people who can actually answer are awake now |
| 09:40.59 | param___ | gevaerts, will they be able to know (at initial stage) that I have applied to other organisation as well |
| 09:41.01 | param___ | ? |
| 09:41.17 | gevaerts | param___: they can ask you |
| 09:41.44 | JCody | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:42.01 | dzhus | there's nothing wrong with that I think, you're allowed to post several applications |
| 09:42.28 | param___ | gevaerts, Will google provide them my list of all my proposals? |
| 09:43.01 | dzhus | and keys to your house |
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| 09:49.58 | param___ | gevaerts, ? |
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| 09:50.25 | dhaun | param___: orgs will only see the proposals you sent them, not what you sent to other orgs |
| 09:51.11 | param___ | ok, thanks dhaun :) |
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| 09:51.39 | dhaun | however, there's no need to be paranoid about it - orgs are fully aware that students will often apply to other orgs as well |
| 09:51.54 | gevaerts | thought that "only of both organisations try to select you" implied that |
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| 09:53.37 | zfe | hello guise |
| 09:53.51 | gevaerts | is of the opinion that an organisation that consciously ranks people lower if they appllied to more than one organisation doesn't belong in #gsoc... |
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| 10:54.24 | mlankhorst | argh.. how do some people even come up with proposals.. |
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| 10:56.57 | mlankhorst | Afan_: No I mean, this one seems to want to implement 'make' |
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| 10:57.24 | mlankhorst | at least that's what I gather from his description |
| 10:58.20 | avinash | Hi, I want to know if I will be selected for more than one organization, Will I get option to choose my favorite or the process will be random |
| 10:58.44 | David_Honeynet | avinash: org admins for each org will work with you to sort it out |
| 10:58.55 | mlankhorst | avinash: Usually it's a fight to the death between the organizations :) |
| 10:59.01 | David_Honeynet | ("de-duplication" process) |
| 10:59.15 | avinash | ok |
| 10:59.36 | avinash | thanx |
| 10:59.41 | mlankhorst | A dark, locked, cold room with 1 brick that will have to be broken in 2 pieces, and GO! |
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| 11:01.10 | mlankhorst | but yeah, it only comes up if both proposals are accepted, or at risk of being accepted. Sometimes one organization will then 'give' the student to the other if their projects benefits more from the proposal. I wouldn't worry about it. |
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| 11:02.16 | avinash | mlankhorst: Thanx |
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| 11:11.07 | ojwb | gevaerts: probably a more realistic concern is that both orgs might assume that applicant has a second chance |
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| 11:35.43 | gevaerts | ojwb: I can understand that sort of thing as an unconscious bias (for that reason), yes. I don't think it rationally makes sense though |
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| 11:37.31 | OsakaFoo | looking at these ideas, makes me see how much must more I need to learn |
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| 11:37.59 | OsakaFoo | s/must// |
| 11:39.53 | supertopi | with computer science you really can't learn everything |
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| 11:40.29 | gevaerts | I'd say any subject where you *can* learn everything isn't very interesting |
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| 11:42.48 | gsocbot | kodaws: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. |
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| 11:43.47 | kodaws | yes |
| 11:44.02 | kodaws | ojwb, can you remind me the timer command please? |
| 11:44.15 | ojwb | erm |
| 11:44.26 | ojwb | there's a countdown on the melange front-page |
| 11:44.35 | ojwb | !countdown-app |
| 11:44.35 | gsocbot | ojwb: "countdown-app" is http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?msg=GSOC+student+application+deadline&day=06&month=04&year=2012&hour=19&min=00&sec=00&p0=0 |
| 11:44.38 | ojwb | that's the one |
| 11:44.40 | kodaws | duhhhhhhh |
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| 11:45.15 | kodaws | sorry for useless highlight and thanks for the help |
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| 11:58.51 | yongcong | :D |
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| 11:58.59 | gsocbot | yongcong: "countdown-app" is http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?msg=GSOC+student+application+deadline&day=06&month=04&year=2012&hour=19&min=00&sec=00&p0=0 |
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| 12:00.46 | Phitherek_ | Does the comments on the proposal page update automatically or should I refresh to see the new ones? |
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| 12:08.24 | kantoro | Good day... Is it possible for students to send more than one proposal to one organization but to different ideas |
| 12:08.50 | ojwb | kantoro: yes, though it's generally good to talk to the org first |
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| 12:09.05 | hired777 | Should mentor write any comments for my proposal? Or it just for fun? I write proposal 2 days ago, but did recive any comments |
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| 12:09.19 | ojwb | they can probably help you pick just one to focus on |
| 12:09.53 | ojwb | hired777: it depends |
| 12:10.01 | gevaerts | hired777: some organisations send comments to all proposals as soon as possible, some only send comments to the proposals they consider good, some only start sending comments later on |
| 12:10.40 | hired777 | ojwb: gevaerts: thx |
| 12:10.40 | kantoro | thanks, ojwb |
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| 13:15.26 | gsocbot | billybob: "next" is Apr 6 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. |
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| 13:16.24 | gsocbot | hiddenpearls: "next" is Apr 6 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. |
| 13:16.46 | hiddenpearls | how many hours left in closing applications ? |
| 13:17.01 | cic | > 5 hours, 43 minutes remaining |
| 13:17.10 | OsakaFoo | :O |
| 13:18.55 | hiddenpearls | ok, thanks @cic |
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| 13:27.59 | ravee | hi gsoc coding period starts from 21st may but our semister end exams start from 14st and finish by 28th. what to do? |
| 13:28.12 | ravee | I am applying for kde |
| 13:28.33 | ravee | *14th may |
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| 13:28.38 | OsakaFoo | I'm sure they won't mind, just let your mentor know |
| 13:28.45 | |Kev| | Talk to the org. |
| 13:28.57 | ravee | should imention it in my proposal only? |
| 13:29.14 | summatusmentis | askt hem |
| 13:29.22 | ojwb | it's good to discuss it |
| 13:29.45 | ojwb | they may want you to start coding earlier to compensate, or something |
| 13:30.00 | Ivanovic | ravee: in general talk to your org how to mitigate this |
| 13:30.09 | Ivanovic | eg starting early and taking a break around the exams often works |
| 13:30.28 | ojwb | it's a fairly common issue for non-US students, and even for some US ones |
| 13:30.32 | ravee | and my mentor still hasn't commented on my proposal. i have submitted it on Wednesday |
| 13:31.02 | gevaerts | If it's only one week, that shouldn't be a problem, but ideally *you* should propose a solution |
| 13:31.06 | Ivanovic | don't forget that mentors got a reallife, too |
| 13:31.10 | ravee | but i am in contact with him through mail before submitting it. |
| 13:31.20 | Ivanovic | they might be busy with work and stuff like this |
| 13:31.21 | gevaerts | For a week that solution can easily be "work 4 hours per week more" |
| 13:31.26 | |Kev| | Not getting comments can mean your proposal's trash, your proposal's a sure thing, and anything in between. |
| 13:31.29 | ravee | i have mailed him also about myproposal. but stikk got no reply |
| 13:31.48 | Ivanovic | ravee: [15:31:06] <Ivanovic> don't forget that mentors got a reallife, too |
| 13:31.51 | Ivanovic | ravee: [15:31:20] <Ivanovic> they might be busy with work and stuff like this |
| 13:32.07 | ravee | gevaerts: i agree with you. but only 5 and half hours remaining :) |
| 13:32.24 | Ivanovic | you can and should later on do changes and additions via comments |
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| 13:32.31 | gevaerts | ravee: that's *plenty* to add a paragraph saying that to your proposal! |
| 13:32.43 | Ivanovic | just that the time for submission ends does not mean that you should stop working on the proposal and idea |
| 13:33.49 | ravee | Ivanovic: oh! i didnt know that. I thought after submission deadline we cant to anything on proposal :) |
| 13:34.01 | |Kev| | You can continue to add comments. |
| 13:34.02 | Ivanovic | you can't alter the proposal itself |
| 13:34.05 | Ivanovic | but you can comment |
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| 13:34.53 | ravee | Comments will be considered right? but i think original proposal content can't be modified |
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| 13:35.17 | Ivanovic | they *might* be considered, no guarantees give |
| 13:35.19 | Ivanovic | n |
| 13:35.26 | Ivanovic | this all depends on the org and the mentors, when they rank and decide |
| 13:35.33 | gevaerts | It all depends on what the comments are about |
| 13:35.36 | Ivanovic | so if you comment "too late" than the comment won't be considered |
| 13:35.46 | Ivanovic | off now for some hours, cu |
| 13:35.57 | gevaerts | If you submit a basically empty proposal and then add a comment with the actual proposal, don't count on too much |
| 13:36.19 | ravee | Ivanovic: gevaerts : thank you :) |
| 13:36.27 | gevaerts | If you add a comment to clarify something or to point to a patch you just submitted, that's something else entirely |
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| 13:37.16 | ravee | gevaerts: i didn't get you |
| 13:37.36 | ravee | what does something else mean? |
| 13:38.15 | gevaerts | ravee: I mean that's an entirely different case than the "entire proposal in a comment" thing |
| 13:38.54 | ravee | ok. thank u again. thanks for the help |
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| 13:44.16 | coldblooded_ | whenever i submit my GSoC application, i get error: invalid XSRF token: token mismatch for user_id '-1' |
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| 13:45.35 | coldblooded_ | any idea, anyone? |
| 13:46.05 | ajed | log out and log in again perhaps |
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| 13:46.59 | |Kev| | coldblooded_: Make sure you're only logged in with one Google account. |
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| 13:47.26 | coldblooded_ | ok |
| 13:47.30 | coldblooded_ | ill refresh session |
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| 13:48.14 | pshinghal | Hi, I had a doubt: are comments on the proposals visible to the reviewers? |
| 13:48.20 | ajed | yes |
| 13:48.50 | alexweber | pshinghal both private and public comments are visible to admins and mentors :) |
| 13:49.14 | alexweber | coldblooded_ try submitting using google chome :P |
| 13:49.20 | pshinghal | ajed, alexweber: Great! thanks! |
| 13:49.51 | dzhus | gosh, application form hates ascii art |
| 13:50.59 | ajed | i wonder how many people will turn up at 7.01 UTC this year asking to submit late |
| 13:51.17 | gevaerts | ajed: seven |
| 13:51.31 | ankitdaf | what's the difference between a private and public proposal ? |
| 13:51.44 | gevaerts | !public | ankitdaf |
| 13:51.44 | gsocbot | ankitdaf: "public" is If a proposal is public anyone can see it if they have the url. Non-public proposals are visible by the student and the mentors for the organization they applied to. There is no list of all public proposals. |
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| 13:52.01 | ajed | i'm going to say there will be 5 of them within 10 minutes of the deadline |
| 13:52.17 | ankitdaf | oh ok..yeah, fits thanks gevaerts |
| 13:52.24 | kodaws | nah, i bet 7 |
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| 13:52.53 | gevaerts | considers betting high and preparing some irc proxies to make up the numbers if necessary :) |
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| 13:52.59 | ajed | lol |
| 13:53.11 | ankitdaf | I am guessing more. I already have 2 friends asking me "What if the site crashes in the last hour" |
| 13:53.16 | ankitdaf | :P |
| 13:53.32 | |Kev| | gevaerts: The odds are quite low. |
| 13:53.36 | |Kev| | (That that'll be necessary) |
| 13:54.09 | gevaerts | ankitdaf: there's an easy answer for that. "That's why you have draft versions on there since a week ago" :) |
| 13:54.25 | ankitdaf | gevaerts haha, that's what i told them |
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| 13:54.51 | ankitdaf | they're still waiting to submit , "I have no chance if XYZ section is missing anyways", or so they reason |
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| 13:55.12 | ajed | that's rather silly.. but their choice |
| 13:55.38 | ajed | do they wait until the last hour to submit an assignment? |
| 13:56.14 | gevaerts | If you have to finish something and say you're still working on it, you have a chance of convincing the organisation to submit the rest in a comment or to be allowed to still modify the proposal. If you have nothing on there, you're out |
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| 13:57.10 | kodaws | do you guys suggest to leave the students edit their proposal after deadline? |
| 13:58.20 | gevaerts | kodaws: I wouldn't allow that in general, no. I can imagine some specific reasons to allow this though (such as the project changing a bit after discussion) |
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| 13:58.24 | ajed | if a proposal is changing after the deadline it will be hard to rank objectively because only the student and possibly their mentor will have the full proposal... |
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| 13:59.08 | kodaws | last year we allowed changing it at any time and it actually created a bit of confusion |
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| 13:59.17 | |Kev| | I wouldn't allow that. |
| 13:59.30 | zerocode | hey i have applied for 10 projects. what are the chances of get select in one of those |
| 13:59.31 | ajed | I can't see any benefit of that.. |
| 13:59.33 | |Kev| | I'm not expecting to allow it for anyone this year, there's not much that couldn't go into comments |
| 13:59.40 | |Kev| | !odds | zerocode |
| 13:59.40 | gsocbot | zerocode: "odds" is Odds, chances or probability really do not come into play for GSoC. Rambling off numbers or asking What are the odds of getting accepted... is really quite useless as one's acceptance is not dictated by luck or numbers, but by the quality of your proposal and your skills instead. |
| 13:59.55 | ajed | zerocode, you've got it all wrong, it's not a competition... |
| 14:00.09 | kodaws | this year i wanted to try something different, that is, if the mentor agrees and sees potential benefits |
| 14:00.10 | gevaerts | It *is* a competition |
| 14:00.20 | gevaerts | It's not a lottery though |
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| 14:00.20 | |Kev| | I think most students are capable of one, two, or maybe three good applications. Ten seems almost inconceivable. |
| 14:00.21 | kodaws | then the student is allowed to change it slightly |
| 14:00.21 | ajed | s/competition/lottery |
| 14:00.44 | downey | figures GSoC acceptance isn't about odds. It's about the relationships you build with the open source projects *before* you submit your proposal. |
| 14:00.49 | kodaws | that should reduce a little bit the application noise :) |
| 14:01.03 | |Kev| | downey: Or after you submit, but before the org chooses. |
| 14:01.12 | ajed | zerocode, the chances of your applications being poorly written and discarded as spam are very high... |
| 14:01.16 | downey | |Kev|: That's the next best thing. :) |
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| 14:01.56 | gevaerts | has about five hours left to get accepted at a university :) |
| 14:02.11 | zerocode | i have no past experience in open source project.. |
| 14:02.24 | zerocode | will it affect my pruposal |
| 14:02.26 | |Kev| | gevaerts: I think your odds are about as good as the odds of any student submitting an application to GSoC in the next 5 hours :) |
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| 14:02.51 | downey | zerocode: Have you submitted patches or done any work with any of the organizations before you submitted your proposal? |
| 14:03.00 | ajed | zerocode, but you have interacted with people before, right?... You should have picked one organisation and one project and worked on that project proposal... |
| 14:03.09 | downey | +1 to ajed |
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| 14:03.30 | gevaerts | |Kev|: do you still have room for more projects? :) |
| 14:04.31 | |Kev| | gevaerts: We have room for the existing proposals to get knocked out of the way by better ones. |
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| 14:05.17 | |Kev| | We've already got more very good to exceptional students than I expect to have slots for. |
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| 14:05.36 | |Kev| | I'm really hoping Carol somehow pulls a whole bunch of slots out of thin air for us. |
| 14:05.36 | gevaerts | I think I'll pass. I don't want to have to work two jobs over the summer :) |
| 14:05.41 | zerocode | I made my pruposals as strong as possible but the minus point was i have no past experience of open souce project. but i have good skill sets |
| 14:06.21 | |Kev| | zerocode: As long as the org likes the patches you submitted, and you did well in the patch review process, you probably have a reasonable chance. |
| 14:06.58 | ajed | zerocode, you should have been speaking to the organisations instead of worrying about never having worked on an open source project before.. after all they are the people you have to convince about your skills |
| 14:07.24 | OsakaFoo | wishes he found out about GSoC sooner |
| 14:07.28 | MatthewWilkes | Man, the calendar file is so nerdy |
| 14:07.42 | thiago | ojwb: you did, for GSoC 2013 :-) |
| 14:07.51 | MatthewWilkes | today is good friday, the anniversary of the founding of the mormon church, and the anniversary of the flowering of the mallorn |
| 14:08.07 | MatthewWilkes | OsakaFoo: You still have time |
| 14:08.09 | MatthewWilkes | right? |
| 14:08.21 | thiago | it's not yet 1900 UTC, so yes |
| 14:08.29 | ajed | MatthewWilkes, you got an extra "m" in that sentence i believe |
| 14:09.07 | MatthewWilkes | ajed: Now, now, this isn't a religion discussion channel |
| 14:09.14 | ajed | i know :) |
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| 14:10.17 | zerocode | i applied for only those project,dat i am confident about. |
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| 14:10.40 | ajed | zerocode, did you speak with the organisations about these projects at all? |
| 14:10.53 | zerocode | is it possible to contact the org personally to convience them. |
| 14:11.27 | ajed | I'm beginning to think you shouldn't, but their contact details will all be on their respective pages on the melange |
| 14:12.08 | ajed | for example, (random) look at the right hand column on http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/google/gsoc2012/eff_tor |
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| 14:13.27 | nixoeen | Hi everyone, do we have anyone from Mozilla Community here? I'm looking for a mentor :) |
| 14:13.42 | kodaws | !anyone | nixoeen |
| 14:13.42 | gsocbot | nixoeen: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. Try searching for the org's contact info or even just try a /join #<mentoring org here> |
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| 14:19.44 | downey | ajed: The last few hours is not the best time to be contacting orgs to talk about ideas, IMHO. :) |
| 14:20.08 | budili | lol |
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| 14:20.13 | budili | yes that's hard |
| 14:20.22 | budili | but possible :D |
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| 14:24.21 | ajed | i wasn't planning on contacting any orgs.. |
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| 14:25.55 | jans | Can part-time students also participate in gsoc? |
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| 14:26.28 | ojwb | jans: the faq explicitly covers that |
| 14:26.34 | ojwb | answer is yes |
| 14:26.35 | ajed | !eligible |
| 14:26.35 | gsocbot | ajed: "eligible" is http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs#age_restrictions |
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| 14:26.44 | jans | tx |
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| 14:27.24 | budili | that's not the best solution, if you contact the org before, you have the chance to clarify unknown things about the project |
| 14:27.50 | ajed | budili, are you trying to offer me advice? because i didn't ask a question.. |
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| 14:28.35 | ajed | The person who asked how to contact an organisation left a while ago |
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| 14:29.44 | wizneel | is the student application deadline extended to 8th april |
| 14:29.51 | ajed | !next |
| 14:29.54 | gsocbot | ajed: "next" is Apr 6 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. |
| 14:30.25 | wizneel | it is showing 8th april on site |
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| 14:31.03 | olasd | on http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2012 I read "Student Application Deadline: April 06 at 19:00 UTC" |
| 14:31.15 | ajed | I see the same |
| 14:31.26 | olasd | same thing on the google opensource blog |
| 14:31.26 | gevaerts | wizneel: where? |
| 14:31.28 | ajed | 4 hours, 29 minutes remaining |
| 14:32.39 | wizneel | sorry evrybody.....i just saw the wrong date.. |
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| 14:36.01 | Lennie | !xsrrf |
| 14:36.02 | Lennie | !xsrf |
| 14:36.03 | gsocbot | Lennie: "xsrf" is (#1) a known error message. See http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-students-list/msg/95a614978d46aa3b for a workaround, or (#2) in short, log in to both http://socghop.appspot.com/login and https://socghop.appspot.com/login |
| 14:36.22 | Lennie | gevaerts, at least the URLs are stale |
| 14:36.59 | Lennie | I guess it also has to do with how GAE deals with logins (since to them we are 3rd party) |
| 14:37.12 | gevaerts | As a non-student I can't see what that workaround is, so I have no idea about that |
| 14:37.23 | Lennie | it's #2 in short |
| 14:37.28 | Lennie | just log in with https and without https |
| 14:39.52 | gevaerts | !learn xsrf as Try logging in on both http://www.google-melange.com/ and https://www.google-melange.com/ (i.e. both http and https) |
| 14:39.52 | gsocbot | gevaerts: "xsrf" is (#1) a known error message. See http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-students-list/msg/95a614978d46aa3b for a workaround, or (#2) in short, log in to both http://socghop.appspot.com/login and https://socghop.appspot.com/login, or (#3) Try logging in on both http://www.google-melange.com/ and https://www.google-melange.com/ (i.e. both http and https) |
| 14:39.58 | gevaerts | !forget xsrf 1 |
| 14:39.58 | gsocbot | gevaerts: "xsrf" is (#1) in short, log in to both http://socghop.appspot.com/login and https://socghop.appspot.com/login, or (#2) Try logging in on both http://www.google-melange.com/ and https://www.google-melange.com/ (i.e. both http and https) |
| 14:40.01 | gevaerts | !forget xsrf 1 |
| 14:40.01 | gsocbot | gevaerts: "xsrf" is Try logging in on both http://www.google-melange.com/ and https://www.google-melange.com/ (i.e. both http and https) |
| 14:40.11 | brlcad | !next |
| 14:40.12 | gsocbot | brlcad: "next" is Apr 6 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. |
| 14:40.15 | |Kev| | I just came across a boxed copy of RedHat 6.1 Deluxe. That's going back a bit :) |
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| 14:42.27 | hiddenpearls | kblin, If I register as a mentor. though I'm already register as a student and have proposal submitted |
| 14:43.01 | hiddenpearls | if my proposal rejected, can I become mentor ? |
| 14:44.29 | hiddenpearls | can I be student and mentor as well ? |
| 14:44.49 | downey | hiddenpearls: no. |
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| 14:45.50 | hiddenpearls | downey: so ? If my proposal rejected, I can be mentor then ? |
| 14:46.10 | |Kev| | I would not expect so. |
| 14:46.13 | downey | hiddenpearls: I suppose that depends on the organization you're working with. Many orgs already have their mentors identified. |
| 14:46.16 | |Kev| | Although I could always be surprised. |
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| 14:46.30 | downey | hiddenpearls: Ask your org admin. |
| 14:46.44 | hiddenpearls | ok |
| 14:47.41 | |Kev| | It seems entirely likely to me that you couldn't have proposals in the system as a student, and be a mentor. |
| 14:47.51 | |Kev| | Unlike students who wrongly register as mentors and then become students. |
| 14:48.26 | downey | I'm also not clear on how you could be a mentor, because as far as I know, mentors must be named before students are notified of acceptance or rejection. |
| 14:48.45 | Lennie | hmm gevaerts , just in case that workaround doesn't work the raw URL on appspot.com might be better |
| 14:49.03 | gevaerts | Lennie: I'll leave that to you then |
| 14:49.12 | madrazr | Lennie: gevaerts: Oh btw there is no socghop.appspot.com anymore |
| 14:49.13 | madrazr | :) |
| 14:49.25 | madrazr | Lennie: gevaerts: We need to change that google-melange.appspot.com |
| 14:49.32 | Lennie | he changed it to google-melange.com |
| 14:49.35 | Lennie | which I hope works :P |
| 14:49.44 | madrazr | cool! |
| 14:49.45 | gevaerts | madrazr: I had hoped for socgci.appspot.com ;) |
| 14:50.04 | madrazr | gevaerts: better luck next time :P |
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| 15:01.35 | rabisg | wanted to ask can submissions be modified after deadline(if mentor agrees)? |
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| 15:02.32 | allman | rabisg: no - the deadline is the deadline. No late submissions will be accepted. |
| 15:02.45 | meflin | they can be modified if the org agrees tho |
| 15:02.58 | allman | oh - "modified" - that is between you and the mentor. |
| 15:03.04 | Phitherek_ | !edit | rabisg |
| 15:03.04 | gsocbot | rabisg: "edit" is Students can edit proposals up until the application deadline. Mentors can allow students to edit proposals on a case-by-case basis after the deadline. Note that comments on proposals can _not_ be edited after submitting. |
| 15:03.12 | allman | sorry - more coffee! |
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| 15:03.32 | rabisg | Phitherek_, thanks |
| 15:03.37 | downey | passes the coffee pot |
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| 15:03.57 | Phitherek_ | rabisg: No problem :) |
| 15:04.22 | downey | rabisg: The mentor has to specifically click a button to allow editing on a specific proposal after the submission deadline. |
| 15:05.17 | |Kev| | Is it mentor or org admin? |
| 15:05.27 | |Kev| | I *thought* it was admin, but I could be wrong. |
| 15:05.31 | downey | |Kev|: I think it's either. |
| 15:06.06 | downey | is always left wondering what the melange UI looks like for other roles |
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| 15:07.54 | sharvey | I feel this has been asked before, but how many slots do new organizations/mentors generally get? i.e. the organization has not participated in gsoc before? |
| 15:08.01 | David_Honeynet | sharvey: 1-2 |
| 15:08.27 | sharvey | ok |
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| 15:10.30 | sharvey | reading the last-minute Q&A of worrying students is semi-amusing |
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| 15:16.31 | |Kev| | !slots | sharvey |
| 15:16.31 | gsocbot | sharvey: "slots" is (#1) Slot allocation is done manually by Chris DiBona and Carol Smith, be a good org, play nice on the mentor list and #gsoc, ask for a non-crazy-high number of slots, and you'll probably get what you ask. Note that non-crazy-high for new orgs is around 1 or 2., or (#2) http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/NotesonStudentAllocations |
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| 15:21.08 | sharvey | ah yes, I had seen that before and wasn't sure. The explicit number for new orgs I don't think is mentioned on the webpage? |
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| 15:23.44 | LetterRip | !next |
| 15:23.45 | gsocbot | LetterRip: "next" is Apr 6 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. |
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| 15:24.17 | OsakaFoo | wouldent it be more useful for gsocbot to say the exact amount of time left? |
| 15:24.37 | downey | OsakaFoo: Patches welcome :) |
| 15:24.40 | OsakaFoo | hugs gsocbot |
| 15:24.54 | thgil | !countdown- |
| 15:25.00 | thgil | !countdown-app |
| 15:25.00 | gsocbot | thgil: "countdown-app" is http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?msg=GSOC+student+application+deadline&day=06&month=04&year=2012&hour=19&min=00&sec=00&p0=0 |
| 15:25.13 | sharvey | aw, well that isn't really fun :P |
| 15:25.23 | sharvey | that also requires a web browser |
| 15:25.24 | thgil | 3 hours, 34 minutes :3 |
| 15:25.39 | shifu | Probably been repeated too many times but can we still add comments to the proposal after the deadline? |
| 15:25.48 | thgil | Yup |
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| 15:26.08 | thgil | just not able to edit the proposal |
| 15:26.24 | shifu | TY! |
| 15:26.25 | OsakaFoo | 3hrs eh, I can sign up for another one :) |
| 15:26.54 | pshinghal | thgil: But the comments will also be taken into account, won't they? |
| 15:27.17 | LetterRip | OsakaFoo: exactly :) |
| 15:27.45 | LetterRip | Mr Incredible voice: 'I've got time' |
| 15:28.03 | OsakaFoo | hahaha! Ace! |
| 15:28.08 | sharvey | +1 |
| 15:28.09 | thgil | pshinghal: The mentors will see the comments too so yes |
| 15:28.29 | pshinghal | Right. Thanks! |
| 15:28.44 | LetterRip | thgil - the countdown app was set to the countdown till announced accepted proposals :) |
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| 15:31.42 | thgil | lol |
| 15:32.13 | IcarusX | I just wanted to ask, can gsoc help in converting gsoc into an internship recognized by a university?... |
| 15:32.27 | IcarusX | Ahh... Framing problem... |
| 15:32.56 | sharvey | well, I guess it's technically employment |
| 15:33.04 | dhaun | IcarusX: http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs#course_credit <— this? |
| 15:33.35 | |Kev| | sharvey: I don't *believe* that's true. I don't believe Google is employing you. |
| 15:33.46 | |Kev| | But they will provide some sort of form saying you did stuff. |
| 15:33.58 | sharvey | well, you get paid, and you need a work permit |
| 15:34.03 | |Kev| | Right, which dhaun said much earlier than me. |
| 15:34.11 | |Kev| | sharvey: That doesn't make it Google employing you. |
| 15:34.19 | IcarusX | Yes, I need precisely that sort of document. |
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| 15:34.29 | sharvey | hm, true |
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| 15:35.07 | IcarusX | So, can Google sort of mediate with the university in question?... |
| 15:35.19 | dsathe | hey just a quick query , is there a limit on the number of apps to an org ? |
| 15:35.28 | downey | dsathe: 20 total for all of GSoC |
| 15:35.35 | downey | (at least this year) |
| 15:35.38 | |Kev| | dsathe: Number of apps an org can receive? No. |
| 15:35.43 | dsathe | no limits on a single org right |
| 15:35.49 | dsathe | great |
| 15:35.52 | |Kev| | dsathe: Number of apps a student can submit? Yes, 20 across all orgs. |
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| 15:36.06 | dsathe | yep that has remained the same for the last 2 yrs afaik |
| 15:36.10 | dsathe | thanks |
| 15:36.33 | ChrisOelmueller | Number of apps you want to submit as a student: Less than 20 |
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| 15:37.07 | |Kev| | Approximately 19 fewer, yes. |
| 15:37.13 | downey | :) |
| 15:37.52 | allman | Quality, not quantity is much better. Students who submit lots of applications look less serious, at least to me :) |
| 15:37.56 | gevaerts | I'd say 2 or 3 can still be perfectly reasonable |
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| 15:38.03 | allman | I agree |
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| 15:38.12 | IcarusX | dhaun: Ah, one thing. Can't the documentation be provided after selection? |
| 15:38.15 | |Kev| | 17 is approximately 19. |
| 15:38.19 | downey | 3 is a magic number. :) http://youtu.be/aU4pyiB-kq0 |
| 15:38.22 | ajed | that limit should be much much lower... |
| 15:38.31 | IcarusX | Some sort of proof that, yes, this student is doing gsoc. |
| 15:38.35 | ajed | spam applications must be a nightmare |
| 15:38.35 | dsathe | haha downey |
| 15:39.04 | dhaun | dhaun: the FAQ entry is pretty clear on that, I would think ... |
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| 15:39.08 | dhaun | erm ... |
| 15:39.09 | gevaerts | wonders if most mass-applicants use the same text, and if so, if melange could detect that and flag those |
| 15:39.17 | spindizzy | submitted 1 |
| 15:39.33 | sharvey | also submitted 1 |
| 15:39.34 | spindizzy | I wish I had the time for a 2nd though |
| 15:39.35 | ajed | you'd have to have a really good reason to submit more than 1... |
| 15:39.36 | sharvey | high-five! |
| 15:39.40 | dhaun | IcarusX: see the FAQ entry I pointed you to - it's pretty clear on that |
| 15:39.43 | spindizzy | sharvey: ^5 |
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| 15:40.03 | dhaun | stops talking to himself and goes to grab a coffee |
| 15:40.51 | dsathe | ajed: haha, sometimes you do |
| 15:40.58 | dsathe | or are required to ;) |
| 15:41.12 | |Kev| | Submitting 2 or 3 seems reasonable to me. |
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| 15:41.26 | dsathe | amen |
| 15:41.27 | |Kev| | You could easily get 3 decent proposals in in the time allowed. |
| 15:41.34 | |Kev| | Well, no. |
| 15:41.36 | |Kev| | Not easily. |
| 15:41.42 | |Kev| | You could do it. |
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| 15:43.32 | dsathe | hmm so many familiar people from last time here |
| 15:43.34 | ajed | |Kev|, that really suggests that you have no other commitments though.. |
| 15:43.42 | |Kev| | ajed: I'm not sure it does. |
| 15:43.51 | dsathe | ajed not necesarily |
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| 15:44.10 | dsathe | necessarily* |
| 15:44.14 | |Kev| | I think three decent proposals plus studies or day job is doable. |
| 15:44.46 | |Kev| | Most of the effort is working out how to write a good proposal, and how to interact with orgs. |
| 15:45.12 | downey | Hopefully students have been thinking about their proposals and working with the orgs long before the time period opens. |
| 15:45.30 | sharvey | some, probably |
| 15:45.41 | sharvey | there are some of us who unfortunately have end of term right at this time period |
| 15:45.45 | ajed | i'm currently really busy - perhaps i'm an exception? i have a paper to write, program to finish writing, user manual for another program to write and an iphone app to build all before i move to Geneva in a month's time... |
| 15:45.48 | |Kev| | I know how much code students can turn out in one night. Usually the entirety of a piece of coursework. |
| 15:45.54 | sharvey | e.g. I have two projects due next week |
| 15:46.18 | ajed | lol |Kev|, I imagine it would be fairly poorly designed, but probably.. yes |
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| 15:46.32 | sharvey | ajed: ??? where do you work??? |
| 15:46.45 | sharvey | |Kev|: depends on the type of coursework |
| 15:47.01 | ajed | i'm moving to CERN after finishing these assignments off |
| 15:47.01 | |Kev| | Naturally. |
| 15:47.19 | sharvey | my "course"work involves getting angry after waiting long periods of time only to get the wrong results for large datasets |
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| 15:47.46 | |Kev| | What're you doing while it's processing? :) |
| 15:47.52 | sharvey | reading papers |
| 15:47.57 | sharvey | or other coding |
| 15:47.59 | sharvey | or grading |
| 15:48.05 | |Kev| | Grading? |
| 15:48.09 | dsathe | phd |
| 15:48.10 | |Kev| | I'm assuming you don't mean what I mean by that :) |
| 15:48.15 | sharvey | I'm a phd student |
| 15:48.22 | sharvey | I TA for a security course |
| 15:48.23 | dsathe | explains a lot :D |
| 15:48.32 | |Kev| | Well then, you've got a doctorate to work towards and a job. |
| 15:48.46 | sharvey | yup |
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| 15:48.54 | |Kev| | a) I don't really count doctoral students as students and b) I did say you'd only manage it with one or the other. |
| 15:49.02 | sharvey | this is true |
| 15:49.10 | sharvey | I don't usually think of myself as having a job though |
| 15:49.19 | sharvey | except when it's past 2AM and I'm still grading assignments |
| 15:49.30 | sharvey | this is probably good, because it means I enjoy my work :) |
| 15:49.35 | downey | PhD students aren't allowed to sleep |
| 15:49.42 | sharvey | :( |
| 15:49.42 | |Kev| | Marking coursework was the main reason I didn't go into academia. |
| 15:49.46 | downey | (at least that's what they told me) |
| 15:49.46 | |Kev| | I absolutely hate it. |
| 15:49.58 | dsathe | agree with kev |
| 15:50.10 | ajed | |Kev|, you should work at my university then... phd students don't have to work |
| 15:50.12 | |Kev| | downey: They don't sleep much if they leave writing their thesis until 5 weeks before starting a job and needing to submit it, at least. |
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| 15:50.25 | dsathe | ajed i am sure the ones of the CERN do |
| 15:50.27 | dsathe | :D |
| 15:50.28 | ajed | they just do their research in their segregated departments of the university |
| 15:50.30 | |Kev| | ajed: I'm happy with the university I went to thanks. |
| 15:50.37 | |Kev| | ajed: But I didn't want to then become a lecturer. |
| 15:50.42 | dsathe | off to * |
| 15:50.47 | sharvey | |Kev|: what do you do now? |
| 15:51.08 | |Kev| | sharvey: Work for a small software house. |
| 15:51.18 | sharvey | oh nice |
| 15:51.35 | ajed | i meant if you wanted to study for a phd and not have to take on teaching commitments, but hey whatever |
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| 15:51.51 | |Kev| | ajed: I already have my PhD, I really don't want another. |
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| 15:52.14 | |Kev| | ajed: And I didn't *have* to mark coursework, but the money was handy. It was becoming a lecturer I didn't want to do because of the marking. |
| 15:52.25 | ajed | ah i see |
| 15:52.28 | downey | http://smallsoftwarehouse.jpg.to/ |
| 15:52.30 | sharvey | you should just hire grad peons to do the grading |
| 15:52.38 | |Kev| | downey: Excellent. |
| 15:53.14 | dsathe | how many off you mentors ? @ |Kev| sharvey ajed |
| 15:53.39 | |Kev| | sharvey: At least where I was only first year coursework, which didn't count towards the degrees, could be marked by PhD students. The rest had to be academic staff. |
| 15:53.42 | |Kev| | dsathe: One of me. |
| 15:53.59 | sharvey | oh interesting |
| 15:53.59 | dsathe | or students for the program or just veterans |
| 15:54.08 | sharvey | dsathe: I'm a student |
| 15:54.26 | sharvey | new student actually |
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| 15:54.34 | ajed | dsathe, i put in an application this year for a project.. i'm going to have a ridiculous amount of spare time over the summer in geneva |
| 15:54.39 | sharvey | I was looking to participate in gsoc the past few years, but was on the wrong visa in the states |
| 15:54.55 | dsathe | oh thos e visa issues |
| 15:55.24 | sharvey | yeah, unfortunately :( |
| 15:55.24 | DanAlex | greetings all |
| 15:55.33 | sharvey | I'm back in my home country now, should make it easier now :) |
| 15:55.55 | dsathe | we undergrads really dont have that much workload yet , we'll come to it in a bit :D |
| 15:55.57 | ajed | one of the downsides of going to work somewhere like cern is the amount of reading, inductions and paperwork required before you get to do any real work.. thankfully i'm out there for a while |
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| 15:56.54 | dsathe | hey DanAlex |
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| 15:57.10 | pokoko222 | I can't update my profile and change my thumbnail image |
| 15:57.15 | pokoko222 | what is the problem? |
| 15:57.36 | dsathe | pokoko222: it's ok , its optional |
| 15:57.44 | dsathe | try in a bit perhaps |
| 15:57.48 | DanAlex | i'm kind of disappointed |
| 15:58.04 | dsathe | or maybee your pic is not of req size/dimensions/format |
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| 15:58.06 | dsathe | check that out |
| 15:58.28 | DanAlex | i have applied for 2 projects |
| 15:58.32 | DanAlex | and i got no feedback |
| 15:58.43 | sharvey | DanAlex: when did you apply? |
| 15:58.53 | DanAlex | hm... one week ago |
| 15:58.55 | DanAlex | for the first one |
| 15:59.04 | DanAlex | and a couple of days ago for the second one |
| 15:59.14 | pokoko222 | dsathe yes but I placed an image and cant remove it now :( |
| 15:59.14 | downey | DanAlex: Maybe they didn't have any questions. :) |
| 15:59.23 | dsathe | oh that |
| 15:59.25 | dsathe | no clu |
| 15:59.37 | pokoko222 | I save the profile and still the link appears again :D |
| 15:59.38 | pokoko222 | wierd |
| 15:59.40 | dsathe | you could update it with a blank png :D |
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| 15:59.42 | DanAlex | oh well |
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| 16:00.03 | sharvey | the org I applied to is on the other side of the world |
| 16:00.07 | dsathe | that is a workaround if it doesnt have an opt to remove it |
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| 16:00.13 | pokoko222 | dsathe: where will that image be seen anyways? :D |
| 16:00.19 | dsathe | sharvey: where ? |
| 16:00.22 | dsathe | i doubt |
| 16:00.29 | dsathe | afaik it shoud get overwritten ? |
| 16:00.37 | sharvey | Germany I believe |
| 16:00.47 | dsathe | as in which org ? |
| 16:00.51 | ejls | !edit | ejls |
| 16:00.51 | gsocbot | ejls: "edit" is Students can edit proposals up until the application deadline. Mentors can allow students to edit proposals on a case-by-case basis after the deadline. Note that comments on proposals can _not_ be edited after submitting. |
| 16:01.23 | dsathe | sharvey: rarely is the entire org based in one location |
| 16:01.23 | DanAlex | 3 hours left... i wonder if there's any point in applying now for other projects |
| 16:01.29 | sharvey | 52north |
| 16:01.35 | sharvey | they're a new org to gsoc this year |
| 16:01.36 | ejls | !next |
| 16:01.37 | gsocbot | ejls: "next" is Apr 6 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. |
| 16:01.39 | dsathe | oh ok |
| 16:01.44 | ejls | oh… |
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| 16:01.55 | dsathe | then it could be possible |
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| 16:02.21 | rohandalvi | hi Sam-T |
| 16:02.30 | dsathe | my org last year had people from +11 to -11 utc |
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| 16:02.38 | dsathe | huge variation for 20 odd devs |
| 16:02.42 | gevaerts | |Kev|: *blue*? |
| 16:02.45 | DanAlex | nice |
| 16:02.54 | dberkholz | hmm. might be a small year for gentoo |
| 16:03.05 | DanAlex | it's kinf of amazing to work with developers from all over the world |
| 16:03.12 | DanAlex | kind of* |
| 16:03.13 | dberkholz | not nearly as many apps, and too much overlap between the ones we do have |
| 16:03.19 | dsathe | amen |
| 16:03.20 | downey | dberkholz: Overlap? |
| 16:03.36 | sharvey | I should try gentoo at some point |
| 16:03.37 | dberkholz | downey: people applying for the same idea |
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| 16:03.49 | dberkholz | sharvey: yes, you should, after promising me last year =) |
| 16:03.56 | sharvey | >.> |
| 16:04.04 | dberkholz | noticed the nick change |
| 16:04.22 | sharvey | haha, I actually have 2-3 connections to freenode |
| 16:04.25 | |Kev| | dberkholz: I wonder if that means we have a chance of nabbing extra slots. We're having an outstanding year for applications - by far hte best ever. |
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| 16:04.40 | dberkholz | |Kev|: doing anything differently? |
| 16:04.49 | downey | dberkholz: Do you folks ever offer strong students to work on other suitable projects? |
| 16:05.00 | downey | s/projects/ideas/ |
| 16:05.10 | |Kev| | More of our orgs are doing teasers. We redid the application template a bit. We put more care into the ideas page. We had some very fun projects up. |
| 16:05.22 | |Kev| | These are all iterative things, rather than anything amazingly different, though. |
| 16:05.25 | dberkholz | downey: we encourage people to apply for multiple ideas, especially when we see lots of overlap on one w/ many good students, but we don't let them work on things they never developed a plan for |
| 16:05.54 | platzhirsch | !next |
| 16:05.55 | gsocbot | platzhirsch: "next" is Apr 6 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. |
| 16:06.02 | dberkholz | i think a lot of it has to do with how well an org's ideas match with whatever's hot in tech this year |
| 16:06.15 | platzhirsch | 3h hours left? I thought 2 |
| 16:06.16 | |Kev| | Could be - although on that scale we score pretty poorly. |
| 16:06.33 | dberkholz | Fri Apr 6 16:06:32 UTC 2012 |
| 16:06.55 | |Kev| | I don't know if it's all the effort we (Swift, rather than all the XSF) put into the teasers and helping students pre-application last year paying off this year, or dumb luck, or what. |
| 16:07.03 | downey | dberkholz: agreed |
| 16:07.28 | dberkholz | this would be a great year to be doing anything with nosql, or cloud |
| 16:07.33 | |Kev| | Swift particularly has somewhere between 1/2 and 2/3 of all the non-spam applications to the XSF this year. |
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| 16:08.07 | dberkholz | although that's kinda true for the past few years as well. |
| 16:08.20 | asteig | Bwuahaha. I spent so much time at 2 am last night trying to get all the words right in my proposal that I accidentally emailed the org I'm applying to the horrible rough draft. :D |
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| 16:08.43 | sharvey | asteig: the question is, did they provide feedback? |
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| 16:09.06 | asteig | They provided feedback a couple days ago on the rough draft, yes. |
| 16:09.40 | downey | asteig: Getting something perfect before submitting it is kind of opposite of the open source way. :) |
| 16:09.55 | Lennie | downey, that's why Melange isn't perfect :P |
| 16:09.57 | asteig | downey :D |
| 16:10.03 | downey | Lennie++ |
| 16:10.12 | asteig | Good thing I'm still in the spirit of things then. ;-) |
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| 16:12.36 | zfe | su fk |
| 16:13.00 | aghisla | zfe: Incorrect password. |
| 16:13.31 | sharvey | hunter12 is the password |
| 16:14.02 | sharvey | hunter2* I'm sorry |
| 16:14.58 | downey | The password is GSoC123 |
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| 16:21.27 | dberkholz | hmm, i really want to be able to search through proposals |
| 16:21.38 | dberkholz | find a word/phrase i remembered seeing in one of them |
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| 16:29.04 | sharvey | dberkholz: possible idea for melange? |
| 16:29.08 | sharvey | for next year? |
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| 16:30.50 | Gushings | dberkholz that would be nice, I agree. |
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| 16:37.28 | DanAlex | i have a question - how does an organization sends feedback to students? via email? |
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| 16:37.45 | gevaerts | DanAlex: comments |
| 16:37.52 | codercube | DanAlex : comments/email |
| 16:38.01 | Triskelios | if you mean for the proposal, there is a comment system on Melange |
| 16:38.09 | Triskelios | it will also generate email notifications |
| 16:38.11 | DanAlex | ok, thank you very much! |
| 16:38.20 | Applify | I have hardly seen any org using that...atleast till now.. |
| 16:38.44 | Applify | do that use the comments section even after the deadline period? |
| 16:38.49 | Applify | *they |
| 16:38.55 | gevaerts | !itdepends |
| 16:38.56 | gsocbot | gevaerts: "itdepends" is That depends on the organisation. Ask them. |
| 16:39.11 | gevaerts | Every organisation has its own style |
| 16:39.15 | Applify | haha.ok.. |
| 16:39.19 | schumaml | I don't have to use the comment section if the students are on our irc channel :) |
| 16:39.52 | Triskelios | we've been using private comments largely, to gather mentor feedback |
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| 16:49.10 | |Kev| | I wonder if anyone who doesn't submit their (first) application until today would get accepted. |
| 16:49.17 | |Kev| | s/would/will/ |
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| 16:49.34 | agliodbs | somebody ping me? |
| 16:49.45 | ybit | |Kev|: why wouldn't they? |
| 16:49.47 | ybit | alpha_jet: ping |
| 16:49.48 | ybit | er |
| 16:49.49 | ybit | agliodbs: ping |
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| 16:50.50 | klocatelli | quality and brownie points off for late submission? |
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| 16:51.03 | |Kev| | ybit: It seems unlikely that students that had already done the requisite legwork in getting to know the community, submitting patches, discussing drafts with mentors etc. for getting selected would only submit today. |
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| 16:52.58 | sharvey | |Kev|: who knows |
| 16:53.14 | sharvey | if uh, I get accepted, I'll tell you the answer to that question |
| 16:53.22 | dsathe | possible |
| 16:53.29 | asteig | lulz, sharvey. I just applied an hour ago. :D |
| 16:53.37 | dsathe | i did last time ;) |
| 16:53.46 | sharvey | asteig: I talked to the community beforehand, I just didn't submit a proposal until today |
| 16:53.50 | dsathe | 3 hrs before deadline |
| 16:53.52 | dsathe | :) |
| 16:53.56 | sharvey | haha |
| 16:54.01 | |Kev| | dsathe: You didn't submit any proposal on Melange until then? |
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| 16:54.07 | dsathe | nope |
| 16:54.21 | |Kev| | Thanks. My interest is satisfied. |
| 16:54.23 | dsathe | just submitted mine 8 hrs ago for this time |
| 16:54.58 | asteig | I talked to the community a lot in the last couple weeks. :D |
| 16:55.08 | dsathe | though this rime i had them ready on gdocs for a few days, placed them on melange after they matured |
| 16:55.34 | dsathe | its much better for feedback and colab then melange |
| 16:56.03 | schumaml | 'number of comments' would be a useful column in the app list |
| 16:56.21 | dsathe | schumaml: i doubt |
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| 16:56.48 | schumaml | why? |
| 16:57.02 | schumaml | it would tell me which ones I've already commented on |
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| 16:57.29 | dsathe | so many people have so much of discussion and detailing on mailing lists , irc and im |
| 16:58.07 | klocatelli | melange really should have a field to note what the changes are when updating application :/ |
| 16:58.07 | schumaml | dsathe: I am the org co-admin, and I would love to have this |
| 16:58.34 | dsathe | hmm |
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| 16:58.46 | gabor_bernat | !next |
| 16:58.47 | gsocbot | gabor_bernat: "next" is Apr 6 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. |
| 16:58.47 | dsathe | makes note |
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| 16:59.31 | schumaml | at the moment this is mostly "sorry, without [a lot of] additional work, this application is not gonna make it" |
| 16:59.32 | dsathe | schumaml: in that case all the discussions, revisions, and reviews have / should be on melange |
| 16:59.34 | OsakaFoo | Mareo: Hello |
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| 17:01.24 | schumaml | dsathe: they will be, at least for our org, once we start looking at them and rating |
| 17:01.38 | schumaml | right now I'm just weeding out the really hopeless ones |
| 17:01.50 | agliodbs | ybit: what's up? |
| 17:01.51 | dsathe | schumaml: you do give a lot of weight to that ? |
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| 17:03.27 | sharvey | schumaml: which org are you with? |
| 17:03.44 | dsathe | i had a load of discussions on irc/im / mailer that too should count hopefully :) |
| 17:04.13 | schumaml | sharvey: GIMP |
| 17:04.34 | dzhus | I think proposal quality is above everything and orgs may still discuss it with you in upcoming two weeks. at least from my previous experience it is so |
| 17:04.50 | Mareo | OsakaFoo, hello |
| 17:05.01 | OsakaFoo | Mareo: what version am I running? |
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| 17:05.19 | |Kev| | dzhus: Proposal quality is the least important of the roughly four things I judge on. |
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| 17:05.36 | Mareo | irssi 0.5.18 i guess :p |
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| 17:05.40 | alpha_jet | !deadline |
| 17:05.46 | thgil | !next |
| 17:05.47 | gsocbot | thgil: "next" is Apr 6 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. |
| 17:05.48 | |Kev| | !next | alpha_jet |
| 17:05.49 | gsocbot | alpha_jet: "next" is Apr 6 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. |
| 17:05.55 | OsakaFoo | Mareo: I see :P |
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| 17:06.06 | dzhus | what org are you? |
| 17:06.13 | |Kev| | Me? XSF. |
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| 17:06.18 | Mareo | OsakaFoo, sorry for the last time, i just saw that i failed my tab-completion :P |
| 17:06.20 | OsakaFoo | needs to get that "fixed" |
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| 17:06.48 | OsakaFoo | Mareo: np |
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| 17:08.55 | edeh | I just applied too. I feel weird |
| 17:09.01 | budili | question: get the mentor the money or the org ?? |
| 17:09.14 | |Kev| | budili: The org. |
| 17:09.20 | budili | thx |
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| 17:11.17 | sharvey | |Kev|: I was thinking of applying for a project with XSF, but none of the languages that are used are my strong languages |
| 17:11.32 | sharvey | not the main ones anyway |
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| 17:11.56 | |Kev| | sharvey: You've got Java, C++, Python, Javascript...what do they teach kids these days? :p |
| 17:12.06 | sharvey | I didn't see anything specific to java |
| 17:12.23 | sharvey | my C++ is weak, and I don't know python (that's uh, a forever todo) |
| 17:12.45 | zhulikas | what's your language? |
| 17:12.46 | Lennie | sharvey, -> terminal -> python -> type print "hello world" hit enter |
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| 17:12.58 | Lennie | one of the shortest hello world programs you'll ever see :P |
| 17:13.03 | sharvey | I know primarily Java and C |
| 17:13.15 | sharvey | I've been meaning to learn python as the scripting language in my skillset |
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| 17:14.08 | |Kev| | sharvey: The Jitsi guys are Java. |
| 17:14.10 | VISH | is it necessary to give the wiki link in the proposal |
| 17:14.21 | agliodbs | there's lots of Java projects, and lots of C ones |
| 17:14.21 | VISH | for fedora that is |
| 17:14.34 | sharvey | agliodbs: specific to XSF? |
| 17:14.45 | agliodbs | what's XSF? |
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| 17:15.00 | sharvey | XMPP standards foundation |
| 17:15.03 | Catfish_Man | agliodbs: one of the umbrella mentoring organizations |
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| 17:16.36 | |Kev| | VISH: We wouldn't know that - you should ask Fedora. |
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| 17:18.50 | agliodbs | ah, ok |
| 17:19.08 | agliodbs | I'm pretty sure that there's XMPP stuff in C and Java |
| 17:19.13 | agliodbs | although maybe not mentors |
| 17:19.30 | sharvey | yeah, presumably |
| 17:19.36 | agliodbs | wow, now that's a self-starter! |
| 17:19.43 | Catfish_Man | pidgin is in C |
| 17:19.54 | |Kev| | There's no C projects listed for the XSF this year, there have been in past years. |
| 17:20.04 | agliodbs | student from USF found out about GSOC 15 hours ago, and just submitted a very credible proposal |
| 17:20.05 | |Kev| | There are Java projects, there are C++, there are Lua, Python... |
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| 17:21.43 | dfighter | tick, tock, tick, tock |
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| 17:24.04 | edeh | what do you think? https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2012/efeicho/1#. |
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| 17:25.22 | fxrh | wants the gsocbot now to start counting down towards the deadline :P |
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| 17:28.23 | |Kev| | Hmm, just had a proposal that would have been quite credible apart from not having heard from the student before :/ |
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| 17:30.05 | masquerade | |Kev|: to be fair, there are people who are hearing about gsoc quite late in the process |
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| 17:30.15 | dzhus | spread the word! |
| 17:30.31 | |Kev| | masquerade: Sure, but that means we've not spoken to them, they've not submitted any patches, etc. |
| 17:30.33 | sharvey | I forgot about gsoc until a friend reminded me of it, shortly after applications opened |
| 17:30.59 | masquerade | I just get a presentation yesterday to a group on campus about it hoping to get people to get involved, which gave them < 24 hours to find an interesting organization and get a proposal in. They still may be able to prove good students. |
| 17:31.03 | agliodbs | kev: you have a week to query them |
| 17:31.39 | masquerade | |Kev|: I don't think them not having submitted patches is something to judge on. The goal is to get new students involved and submitting code in the coming months, students who otherwise may not have contributed to your project |
| 17:31.48 | agliodbs | yeah, the graduate CS professor at USFCA just told her students about GSOC, on Wednesday |
| 17:32.03 | |Kev| | masquerade: I do think it's something to judge on. It's one of the best selection criteria. |
| 17:32.20 | agliodbs | masquerade: part of that depends on the pool they already have of students, and the barrier to entry |
| 17:32.49 | agliodbs | masquerade: we wouldn't require a patch for Postgres, but I can imagine Drupal doing so |
| 17:32.58 | |Kev| | masquerade: We have a list of tasks picked particularly to be suitable for students to try, that should only take a couple of hours. I don't think it's a hardship for them to give one a try if they want to apply. Else we have no idea how they'll deal with submitting the patches during the project. |
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| 17:33.19 | masquerade | I think that judging on whether they have yet commit patches goes against the whole spirit of the program. The point is to get people who aren't familiar with OSS dev cycles. |
| 17:33.27 | antweb_ | Don't the orgs use the time until 20 April to get in touch with applicants to get a better impression? |
| 17:33.36 | masquerade | If you have low hanging fruit you want them to touch, they have a week to be in touch with you and for you to be in touch with them |
| 17:33.48 | schumaml | antweb_: the other way around, actually |
| 17:34.14 | |Kev| | masquerade: I don't think you're understanding what I'm saying. I don't want existing contributors. As part of our ideas page we suggest students try these tasks as part of their application. |
| 17:34.16 | antweb_ | schumaml: We get in touch with them? |
| 17:34.28 | schumaml | yes |
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| 17:35.00 | |Kev| | masquerade: This is a very basic test of "Can the student compile the code and make a simple change". If they can't do that, they're not going to manage the project over the summer. |
| 17:35.22 | antweb_ | schumaml: Ah,k |
| 17:35.30 | masquerade | |Kev|: I saw, and you didn't say that before, but I still think that given that many students quite possibly could have only heard about the project in the last < 24 hours, you consider that such things might be forthcoming, or you contact them for more details and ask that they try some things. It not being there up front could very well have just been a limitation in the time that they had to find an org, find a project, and get a proposal in |
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| 17:36.00 | Catfish_Man | masquerade: any approach to weeding out candidates is going to have both false positives and false negatives |
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| 17:36.06 | schumaml | masquerade: that's lso called bd luck |
| 17:36.12 | schumaml | *bad |
| 17:36.19 | Catfish_Man | schumaml: *also |
| 17:36.35 | |Kev| | Sure. And if they submit something within the next period, we'll look at it. A number of students submit first and then come to us asking to do the teasers. |
| 17:37.03 | Catfish_Man | masquerade: the goal is basically to find things that correlate strongly with successful students, are easily measurable, and don't narrow the field of potential candidates to lower than the number of slots |
| 17:37.05 | |Kev| | But we're having an *exceptional* year for applicants. We've already got more very good to outstanding candidates than we've ever had before - or even ever had slots before. |
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| 17:37.47 | |Kev| | And this is one measure that we've found to work fairly well for judging student ability. We have to use some sort of metric beyond "Can write a page of text that makes them sound good". |
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| 17:37.53 | masquerade | Catfish_Man: I understand, I just think it's silly to discount someone before the deadline is even up because they haven't submitted a patch when such things may very well be forthcoming |
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| 17:38.18 | Catfish_Man | masquerade: those people should get on irc and talk things over :) the mentors are just people, and people can be convinced |
| 17:38.27 | |Kev| | masquerade: They're not discounted yet. I'm predicting, based on previous experience, that they won't be in touch. For one thing, most students say in their application "And now I'm going to be in touch". |
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| 17:40.54 | agliodbs | kev, masquerade: our project requires a proposal which shows that the student has done significant rearch on the code they want to modify |
| 17:41.04 | agliodbs | in general, *more* than a couple hours |
| 17:41.14 | |Kev| | agliodbs: That seems like a fine approach too. |
| 17:41.26 | |Kev| | Particularly if it's a hard project to 'just write a patch' for. |
| 17:41.28 | agliodbs | so I don't see anything wrong with kev's org requiring that students spend an afternoon coding a patch |
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| 17:41.33 | agliodbs | kev: postgres |
| 17:41.36 | agliodbs | so, yes |
| 17:41.51 | |Kev| | I've never looked at the postgres code or bugtracker, but I can easily believe it fits that description :) |
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| 17:42.24 | masquerade | There was an initial misunderstanding. When |Kev| said patch, I didn't realize there was a list of low-hanging fruit that they were encouraging students to try to patch and submit on their wiki |
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| 17:42.55 | masquerade | I don't think there's anything wrong with it, so long as you're willing to entertain and accept such things perhaps a little past the deadline, as people may be just hearing about the project within the last day |
| 17:42.55 | agliodbs | masquerade: look at it this way, if you have two students applying for a slot, and one is already doing work on the project, and the other one has never looked at the code before, which one are you going to pick? |
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| 17:43.29 | |Kev| | Assuming 'doing work on the project' doesn't mean 'existing long-term contributor', I guess :) |
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| 17:43.36 | |Kev| | As that changes the game somewhat. |
| 17:44.06 | suman1234567890 | #gsoc |
| 17:44.17 | masquerade | agliodbs: I'm going to pick whoeer I judge to be better qualified |
| 17:44.17 | sharvey | suman1234567890: you are already in the channel :) |
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| 17:46.04 | agliodbs | kev: which project are you on, anyway? |
| 17:47.02 | |Kev| | agliodbs: Swift primarily. I used to be Psi for a long time. (XMPP Standards Foundation) |
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| 17:48.48 | davorb | |Kev|: what marks a good applicant other than sending in a patch? |
| 17:50.11 | |Kev| | davorb: Coming across well when we chat to them. Doing a little research, clearly understanding the proposed project and what's important to us. Stuff like that. |
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| 17:51.26 | davorb | |Kev|: what would you say is the ratio of good to bad applications? And how many do you usually get per slot? |
| 17:51.42 | |Kev| | Usually and this year are quite different. |
| 17:52.06 | suman1234567890 | I cam to know about Google Summer of code in this week itself. So Immediately applied for it but unfortunately missed out the period of discussion with the mentoring organization. please tell me what should i do? |
| 17:52.09 | |Kev| | This year about half our proposals to the XSF are 'good'. |
| 17:52.33 | |Kev| | suman1234567890: Go discuss with the org now instead. Make a note on your application saying you're doing so. |
| 17:52.35 | downey | suman1234567890: Hope for good luck and get involved earlier next year. :) |
| 17:52.51 | skelet | !timeleft |
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| 17:53.03 | sharvey | !next |
| 17:53.04 | gsocbot | sharvey: "next" is Apr 6 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. |
| 17:53.34 | skelet | we need some kind of countdown :) |
| 17:53.36 | |Kev| | davorb: We'll be asking for slots for about 1/4 of the applications we've had so far, I think. |
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| 17:54.15 | fxrh | !countdown-app |
| 17:54.15 | gsocbot | fxrh: "countdown-app" is http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?msg=GSOC+student+application+deadline&day=06&month=04&year=2012&hour=19&min=00&sec=00&p0=0 |
| 17:54.19 | davorb | wow, that's really good odds. i'll be applying with you guys next year ;-) |
| 17:54.33 | davorb | I was expecting like 1 in 200 |
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| 17:54.39 | |Kev| | davorb: It has nothing to do with odds. We've had a lot of exceptionally good applicants this year. |
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| 17:54.49 | |Kev| | GSoC really has nothing to do with odds :) |
| 17:55.28 | davorb | it's only not about the odds when there's a shortage of good people |
| 17:55.40 | alinrus | xml must be really popular this year |
| 17:55.41 | skelet | yaay nice countdown :D |
| 17:56.05 | masquerade | oO |
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| 17:56.07 | thgil | final hour! |
| 17:56.08 | |Kev| | davorb: Not really. We pick the best people. If you're not the best people, it doesn't matter how many other 'not best people' there are. |
| 17:56.11 | masquerade | that countdown app says 1 hour, 63 minutes |
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| 17:56.36 | thgil | 1 hour or 63mins |
| 17:56.40 | fujii | I think it's common for organizations to give slots back |
| 17:56.44 | macobo | |Kev|, just curious, what is your stance on experience? Will you prefer a more experienced student to a younger one when their proposals, involvement points are the same? |
| 17:56.45 | masquerade | oh. That's silly. |
| 17:56.46 | thgil | not 1hour and 63mins |
| 17:57.07 | thgil | It is |
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| 17:57.15 | davorb | yes, but there's a limited amount of people that you can accept. if 200 exceptional people applied and they were the best programmers in the world, you still wouldn't be able to accept all of them. |
| 17:57.27 | |Kev| | This is true. |
| 17:57.35 | |Kev| | But we'd try to pick the most exceptional. |
| 17:57.41 | |Kev| | It still wouldn't come down to a lottery. |
| 17:57.45 | fujii | davorb, yes, but this is not the case |
| 17:58.02 | fujii | davorb, I don't think it ever was in gsoc, hence, not about odds |
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| 17:58.27 | davorb | i see |
| 17:58.37 | |Kev| | We will have more very good to exceptional people than slots this year, unless Carol and Chris are exceptionally kind in their allocation of slots to us, so we'll pick the best out of those. |
| 17:58.37 | maccy | What constitutes as "the most exceptional"? (ie, are you killing off people who don't have as much earlier experience to show off) :) |
| 17:58.41 | sharvey | davorb: it only probably seems like odds to you |
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| 17:59.08 | vigneshmoha | Should i propose a project to accept my application? I don't know where to propose my idea. . can you help me? |
| 17:59.15 | fujii | in gnome I think more than 1/4 is accepted, but you have to make a contribution before the application, so many people give up applying in the first place |
| 17:59.19 | |Kev| | maccy: Using some entirely unscientific method of how likely they seem to be to complete the project, the quality of project they're likely to produce and (possibly most importantly) how fun they'll be to work with. |
| 17:59.19 | fujii | which is good IMO |
| 17:59.28 | masquerade | vigneshmoha: you must apply to a mentoring organization |
| 17:59.48 | davorb | sharvey: i was expecting a lot more people to apply. but now that i've been talking to a few of the mentors it doesn't seem like there's as many applicants per slot as I expected |
| 17:59.50 | vigneshmoha | can i suggest any idea? |
| 18:00.28 | sharvey | davorb: I tend to like certainty, but I'm not sure with my org |
| 18:00.31 | |Kev| | vigneshmoha: If you're only starting thinking about applying now, I don't think you're very likely to be able to put a good application in in time. |
| 18:00.37 | vigneshmoha | masquerade: i applied with what they asked in the application.. |
| 18:01.03 | maccy | |Kev|, how do you measure the probability? (I'm trying to figure out the mindset that the org. have) :) |
| 18:01.38 | |Kev| | maccy: Quality of submitted patches, how much fun we had interacting with them in the chatrooms, how much thought they've given to what needs doing and how they'll do it. |
| 18:01.41 | |Kev| | Stuff like that. |
| 18:01.43 | suman1234567890 | How should i contact with the Mentoring organization? |
| 18:01.56 | sharvey | suman1234567890: IRC or e-mail, but it seems rather late for that |
| 18:01.59 | agliodbs | maccy: it's different with each org |
| 18:02.04 | |Kev| | maccy: It's not a scientific process, I can't give you much more than that. |
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| 18:03.20 | sharvey | davorb: I forgot friday was a holiday, so they weren't in today |
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| 18:04.14 | vigneshmoha | |Kev|: i already applied.. but i got a reply mail from my mentor that they couldn't find my name in GSOC proposal.. |
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| 18:06.23 | vigneshmoha | |key|: is there any quick way to solve this problem? |
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| 18:06.48 | sharvey | did you fix your proposal? |
| 18:06.49 | masquerade | vigneshmoha: your proposal can still be modified on melange |
| 18:07.27 | vigneshmoha | masquerade: how can i do that? |
| 18:07.47 | sharvey | if you navigate to your proposal, there's an edit link near the top |
| 18:07.54 | masquerade | log into melange, click my profile, you should be able to get to your proposal there |
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| 18:11.29 | bretonium | so, how many orgs did you send your applications to, students? |
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| 18:11.36 | bretonium | 50 minutes left |
| 18:11.55 | sharvey | 1 here, first time applying |
| 18:12.08 | Afan_ | 1 |
| 18:12.18 | frewsxcv | 1 |
| 18:12.24 | bretonium | s/did/have/ |
| 18:12.25 | bretonium | oh. |
| 18:12.30 | wtachi | I |
| 18:12.36 | Iain | Anybody else here have minimal coding experience? |
| 18:12.37 | frewsxcv | is already denied :( |
| 18:12.41 | davorb | 1 |
| 18:12.52 | natsueroi | 1 |
| 18:12.53 | sharvey | Iain: define minimal? |
| 18:13.03 | davorb | frewsxcv: how do you know? |
| 18:13.04 | himsin | 1 |
| 18:13.10 | cic | 1, soon 2 maybe |
| 18:13.12 | Iain | like basic basic |
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| 18:13.22 | coyotebush | finished one, working on another |
| 18:13.23 | Iain | several months worth lets say |
| 18:13.31 | dzhus | two |
| 18:13.44 | alinrus | basic is dead, switch to c# |
| 18:13.51 | dzhus | frewsxcv: how so? |
| 18:14.03 | sharvey | alinrus: lol |
| 18:14.04 | Iain | c# is shit, switch to C++ |
| 18:14.21 | davorb | basic is pretty cool, it was the first language i learnt |
| 18:14.22 | bretonium | C++ is bloated, switch to D/Go/Python/Haskell/ |
| 18:14.25 | wtachi | C++ requires a PhD, switch to Python |
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| 18:14.32 | davorb | c++ is pretty shit too |
| 18:14.34 | atermenji | paskal? |
| 18:14.35 | alinrus | Iain: true story bat basic what dos programmers did |
| 18:14.37 | wtachi | should learn Haskell |
| 18:14.41 | alinrus | *but |
| 18:14.47 | ajed | seriously... are you guys debating which language is best? |
| 18:14.51 | ajed | lol |
| 18:14.52 | davorb | no |
| 18:14.55 | sharvey | ajed: they are young |
| 18:14.58 | sharvey | they will learn |
| 18:15.02 | davorb | just which ones suck |
| 18:15.02 | Catfish_Man | will start kicking them if they don't |
| 18:15.03 | alinrus | yeah always a great pass time activity |
| 18:15.04 | frewsxcv | davorb: i talked with one of the mentors. i submitted it too late and i didn't go into enough detail |
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| 18:15.14 | davorb | :-( |
| 18:15.14 | ajed | the best language is the one you need for the job, get over it already |
| 18:15.16 | wtachi | all existing languages are wrong |
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| 18:15.41 | dzhus | especially natural ones. On a better planet people would speak lojban! |
| 18:15.41 | Iain | do we get emailed when we get rejected? |
| 18:15.53 | dzhus | Iain: yes, on April 23 |
| 18:15.54 | sharvey | dzhus: ++ |
| 18:16.02 | alinrus | Iain: hopefully you'll never find out |
| 18:16.27 | agliodbs | I thought carols holds the rejections for a couple days |
| 18:16.35 | agliodbs | until all student paperwork is clear |
| 18:16.39 | Iain | Heh, with only a basic level of acutual programming experience, probably will :P |
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| 18:17.14 | klocatelli | there's always next year :D |
| 18:17.16 | natsub | have not recieved feedback on the las 12 hours, so he doesn't know what to think |
| 18:17.33 | agliodbs | natsub: that doesn't really mean anything |
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| 18:17.52 | alinrus | there's 2 weeks of feedback to come |
| 18:17.59 | Iain | @klocatelli precisely xD |
| 18:18.45 | natsub | klocatelli > that's right! :D |
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| 18:20.39 | natsub | you can still make comments on your proposal, right? |
| 18:21.19 | |Kev| | Yes. |
| 18:21.41 | dzhus | Students making proposal for Haskell may not write it actually, consider it a lazy proposal which gets evaluated when somebody starts reading it… This is like the story with Haskeller's CV… |
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| 18:21.51 | ajed | Iain, if you are rejected then perhaps working with your organisation of choice you will be able to expand your knowledge and ability and be ready for next year |
| 18:21.54 | klocatelli | rofl |
| 18:21.59 | alinrus | natsub, you'll also be able to modify it if the mentor allows it |
| 18:22.44 | Gushings | All the rejected students should form their own opensource project. |
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| 18:23.13 | Gushings | together. |
| 18:23.28 | aghisla | nice! then they will apply as mentoring org next year |
| 18:23.36 | Gushings | Yeah exactly. |
| 18:23.37 | sumanah | there's Season of KDE |
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| 18:23.40 | sumanah | and other similar initiatives |
| 18:23.43 | natsub | Gushings > that could be interesting |
| 18:23.44 | sumanah | for rejected GSoC students |
| 18:23.48 | davorb | dzhus: haha |
| 18:23.56 | prakash_01 | :) |
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| 18:24.51 | natsub | personally, I think I will do the project even if I got rejected |
| 18:24.55 | sumanah | :) |
| 18:24.56 | Gushings | It would probably be very successful. The vast majority of rejected applicants are probably still very capable, and the group together would have many more student contributors then most if not all the orgs. |
| 18:25.14 | Gushings | Maybe I'll start one if I get rejected. |
| 18:25.15 | sumanah | Gushings: the first part there is actually not the case. |
| 18:25.28 | Catfish_Man | is skeptical that teams larger than 5 people or so are very effective at anything |
| 18:25.30 | sumanah | Have you ever read the applications that come in? |
| 18:25.40 | Gushings | No, I'm an applicant. |
| 18:25.44 | sumanah | Gushings: many, many of the rejections are for people who are basically spamming. |
| 18:25.58 | Gushings | I tried googling "worst GSoC application ever" but nothing came up. |
| 18:26.10 | sumanah | We try to be professional about this sort of thing. |
| 18:26.12 | agliodbs | gsoc apps are not public |
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| 18:26.23 | Gushings | Unless you make them public. |
| 18:26.28 | Catfish_Man | Gushings: I think the worst I've seen were ones that were just copy-pasting an idea from the list into the text field |
| 18:26.35 | sumanah | It would be a breach of professionalism to publicize and criticize a bad application without the student's consent. |
| 18:26.43 | Catfish_Man | oh wait, I think there was one that was copy-pasting an idea for the wrong organization into the text field |
| 18:26.52 | sumanah | I've seen ones that do not mention any particular project idea. |
| 18:26.52 | sharvey | hmm |
| 18:26.53 | Gushings | I mean, the student made it public. |
| 18:27.12 | agliodbs | Catfish_Man: yeah, we've gotten two proposals this year for MySQL projects |
| 18:27.14 | sharvey | can an idea for melange be: purposefully making bad applications? and then providing consent for release? |
| 18:27.24 | v1z_ | dude don't yell |
| 18:27.29 | aghisla | I got one for an antivirus! |
| 18:27.32 | aghisla | for downloads |
| 18:27.36 | natsub | the one I'm applying even had an application template |
| 18:27.38 | suman1234567890 | #cmusphinx |
| 18:27.39 | Gushings | I almost want to submit a comical application somewhere. |
| 18:28.02 | alinrus | we need a #gsoc-bash |
| 18:28.05 | sumanah | aghisla: I got that too. |
| 18:28.14 | vigneshmoha | masquerade: thanks for your help :) |
| 18:28.21 | suman1234567890 | #cmusphinx |
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| 18:28.29 | sharvey | suman1234567890: you want to type /join before that |
| 18:28.33 | sharvey | he left too soon |
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| 18:32.23 | cool | Can timelines we adjusted on later date? |
| 18:32.46 | OsakaFoo | anyone know where the gsocbot source is? |
| 18:32.47 | ejls | !edit | cool |
| 18:32.48 | gsocbot | cool: "edit" is Students can edit proposals up until the application deadline. Mentors can allow students to edit proposals on a case-by-case basis after the deadline. Note that comments on proposals can _not_ be edited after submitting. |
| 18:33.08 | flaushy | OsakaFoo: mesage him with version :) it is a python based one |
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| 18:33.43 | Gushings | I've heard if your timeline is off a bit but roughly correct it's not a huge deal generally. |
| 18:33.45 | OsakaFoo | flaushy: thank you |
| 18:33.56 | Gushings | They can work with you after to adjust it. |
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| 18:34.08 | cool | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:34.29 | ejls | Yes, you're cool. |
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| 18:35.10 | cool | Literally, I am cool :D |
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| 18:35.30 | Gushings | I'm sure it's a case by case basis, but as most applicants don't have a detailed and intricate understanding of the software they will be working with I'm sure there is a lot of adjusting of timelines after students are accepted. |
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| 18:35.35 | haseeb | cool |
| 18:36.18 | manish | hi |
| 18:36.51 | agliodbs | the main reason to request a timeline is that it shows the student has some grasp of the work needed |
| 18:37.06 | manish | in gsoc page it was written to accept the agreement, but during registeration there was no option to accept the agreement. |
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| 18:37.48 | jps | do proposals freeze at the submission deadline or can they be revised further? |
| 18:37.51 | Gushings | edeh if you are still here, your application looks nice and I hope you succeed. I'm interested in much of the same material as you. |
| 18:38.06 | flaushy | !edit jps |
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| 18:38.13 | flaushy | !edit | jps |
| 18:38.14 | gsocbot | jps: "edit" is Students can edit proposals up until the application deadline. Mentors can allow students to edit proposals on a case-by-case basis after the deadline. Note that comments on proposals can _not_ be edited after submitting. |
| 18:38.14 | Gushings | Submission deadline they are done. |
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| 18:38.40 | jps | thanks flaushy |
| 18:38.54 | dzhus | by the way, who decides which project to assign student for if several orgs score him high? |
| 18:39.16 | Gushings | There is a meeting in this room for students accepted to more than one place. |
| 18:39.24 | Gushings | and they discuss it, I believe. |
| 18:39.33 | dzhus | with whom? |
| 18:39.48 | Gushings | The organizations discuss it with each other. |
| 18:39.54 | downey | (and often with the student) |
| 18:39.56 | Gushings | There's more info in the faq |
| 18:40.21 | dsathe | when does this happen ? |
| 18:40.34 | downey | !timeline |
| 18:40.34 | gsocbot | downey: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2012 |
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| 18:41.08 | dsathe | aah |
| 18:41.10 | dsathe | same time |
| 18:41.39 | cool | Just 18 minutes remaining for Deadline! |
| 18:41.48 | natsub | aa |
| 18:42.09 | downey | boils water for tea |
| 18:42.23 | dsathe | cool people must have submitted it now , wonder who would leave it to that late |
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| 18:42.47 | natsub | well, better avoid some stupid and paranoidic modifications to my submission |
| 18:42.47 | antweb_ | Submitted mine 5min ago :/ |
| 18:43.03 | natsub | *avoid to do |
| 18:43.09 | cool | dsathe, me. me. me. :D |
| 18:43.22 | dsathe | kudos |
| 18:43.27 | cool | still not submitted my proposal...lolz |
| 18:43.30 | downey | 19 minutes until requests for deadline extension |
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| 18:43.34 | Gushings | natsub yeah that's what I'm thinking |
| 18:43.50 | dsathe | haha downey viewpoint :) |
| 18:44.01 | dsathe | i bet you guys get a load of those req |
| 18:44.09 | Ganz7 | downey:heh |
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| 18:44.34 | qwebirc72965 | hi, i was wondering. To finish the application, you just have to submit the proposal correct? |
| 18:44.34 | Gushings | downey what organization are you with, may I ask? |
| 18:44.51 | downey | Gushings: OpenMRS |
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| 18:45.23 | dsathe | qwebirc72965: yes |
| 18:45.31 | |Kev| | New proposal 6 minutes ago. Wonder when the latest one we receive will be :) |
| 18:45.49 | qwebirc72965 | dsathe: great thank you! |
| 18:46.30 | Gushings | nice downey. Do you work a lot with security? I imagine that would be very important when dealing with medical records. |
| 18:46.42 | yogiv | can i make changes in the proposal after submission.? |
| 18:46.45 | gevaerts | |Kev|: wasn't the record under one second before the deadline? |
| 18:46.54 | gevaerts | !edit | yogiv |
| 18:46.54 | gsocbot | yogiv: "edit" is Students can edit proposals up until the application deadline. Mentors can allow students to edit proposals on a case-by-case basis after the deadline. Note that comments on proposals can _not_ be edited after submitting. |
| 18:46.55 | aghisla | Melange is behaving very well! Congrats! |
| 18:47.18 | antweb_ | Are the mentors allowed to tell how many students applied? |
| 18:47.21 | downey | Gushings: Happy to chat more about it in #OpenMRS. :) |
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| 18:47.42 | downey | Melange++ |
| 18:47.42 | downey | |
| 18:47.45 | davorb | antweb_: i think they are, since a few have done so |
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| 18:47.58 | |Kev| | gevaerts: Not for us though, I think. |
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| 18:48.56 | dsathe | natsub: just confirm jssol ques |
| 18:49.26 | |Kev| | Aand there's another :) |
| 18:49.46 | jssol | dsathe: i'm sorry? |
| 18:50.14 | dsathe | yeah just confirming , that nothing new is added this time |
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| 18:50.18 | aghisla | will do statistics on the submission times |
| 18:50.20 | diofeher_ | !next |
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| 18:50.21 | gsocbot | diofeher_: "next" is Apr 6 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. |
| 18:50.39 | natsub | 9 |
| 18:50.42 | jssol | dsathe: great thanks! |
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| 18:51.40 | jps | sheesh 5 new proposals in the last 20 minutes. I was going to guess 2.5x last year but now it's more like 3.5x |
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| 18:52.47 | dsathe | jps is that an org specific trend or across all orgs O.o |
| 18:52.54 | dsathe | that would mean a huge no of apps |
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| 18:53.24 | jps | 2 orgs. One of which I am going to abandon because there are 2 good apps for my suggested proposal in the other |
| 18:53.29 | demosdemon | I would like the see that statistic of last hour applicants accepted |
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| 18:53.39 | jps | I'm going to try to find a co-mentor and do both |
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| 18:53.51 | downey | 7 minutes until requests for deadline extension :) |
| 18:54.20 | allman | downey: ha ha ;P |
| 18:54.20 | natsub | 5 |
| 18:54.27 | jssol | hahaha |
| 18:54.57 | downey | struggles to fairly triage the last minute proposals coming in |
| 18:55.11 | jps | when is the deadline for orgs' slot requests? |
| 18:55.13 | |Kev| | downey: You've got another fortnight... |
| 18:55.24 | |Kev| | !timeline: jps |
| 18:55.30 | |Kev| | !timeline | jps |
| 18:55.30 | gsocbot | jps: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2012 |
| 18:55.31 | platzhirsch | made his last changes to one of the proposals |
| 18:55.35 | jps | I don't see it in the timeline |
| 18:55.49 | downey | |Kev|: At least the inflow will stop momentarily :) |
| 18:56.06 | demosdemon | jps 4/20 |
| 18:56.13 | mbabker | heh, new proposal at 4 minutes remaining… love the last minute stuff |
| 18:56.18 | jps | tyvm |
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| 18:56.57 | cool | has stopped this proposal |
| 18:57.08 | cool | DONE, pressed submit :) |
| 18:57.12 | natsub | aaaaaaa |
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| 18:57.16 | aghisla | cool: cool! |
| 18:57.20 | downey | cool cool |
| 18:57.25 | skelet | \o/ |
| 18:57.29 | jrabbit | last minute indeed |
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| 18:57.36 | Ganz7 | cool: I dont see a submit button |
| 18:57.36 | dsathe | !time |
| 18:57.36 | gsocbot | dsathe: "time" is has come, the walrus said, to speak of other things. |
| 18:57.44 | natsub | intenal alter ego whats someone to share some public last minute proposal |
| 18:57.45 | dsathe | haha |
| 18:57.52 | dfighter | 2 minutes |
| 18:57.59 | dfighter | tick, tock, tick, tock |
| 18:58.02 | wtachi | makes one final edit |
| 18:58.05 | dsathe | haha the frenzy |
| 18:58.12 | natsub | oh |
| 18:58.13 | platzhirsch | 1 minute |
| 18:58.21 | thgil | 1 minute? Plenty of time |
| 18:58.21 | natsub | a literal las minute edit |
| 18:58.32 | dfighter | inb4 plz deadline extension |
| 18:58.35 | natsub | http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?msg=GSOC+student+application+deadline&day=06&month=04&year=2012&hour=19&min=00&sec=00&p0=0 |
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| 18:58.58 | Gushings | what is this. |
| 18:58.59 | natsub | let's do the countdown toguether :D |
| 18:59.02 | downey | passes the tea & biscuits |
| 18:59.03 | Gushings | It said 76 seconds. |
| 18:59.09 | platzhirsch | Melagne: Server error |
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| 18:59.20 | Ganz7 | server error |
| 18:59.22 | dzhus | oh lol |
| 18:59.25 | platzhirsch | I guess it is closed now :P |
| 18:59.29 | aghisla | melange wins!! |
| 18:59.30 | cool | Error: Server Error |
| 18:59.32 | SandroGrzicic | 500 :) |
| 18:59.34 | skelet | :d |
| 18:59.35 | jssol | lol |
| 18:59.40 | dsathe | lol |
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| 18:59.44 | thgil | thats nice |
| 18:59.45 | platzhirsch | 500 more minutes?? awesome |
| 18:59.45 | antweb_ | lol nice |
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| 18:59.51 | natsub | 10 |
| 18:59.55 | Afan_ | 5 |
| 18:59.55 | konr | are you getting comments on your proposals? |
| 18:59.57 | natsub | 5 |
| 18:59.59 | natsub | 3 |
| 18:59.59 | savy2020 | 4 |
| 19:00.00 | natsub | 2 |
| 19:00.01 | natsub | 1 |
| 19:00.02 | thgil | woo |
| 19:00.03 | natsub | 0 |
| 19:00.03 | skelet | its over |
| 19:00.04 | dzhus | lol -1 |
| 19:00.04 | natsub | xD |
| 19:00.14 | Arc | that is true. |
| 19:00.14 | Gushings | It's counting up now. |
| 19:00.16 | dzhus | haha lol |
| 19:00.20 | |Kev| | Hello Sirs, I tried to submit a proposal to your company, but the server was down. Can I have an extension? |
| 19:00.29 | gmcharlt | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:00.31 | downey | !extension |
| 19:00.32 | gsocbot | downey: "extension" is not planned. |
| 19:00.34 | thgil | haha |
| 19:00.36 | konr | |Kev|: unlikely |
| 19:00.37 | masquerade | 26 e-mails from gsoc in the last hour. |
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| 19:00.47 | savy2020 | !next |
| 19:00.48 | gsocbot | savy2020: "next" is Apr 6 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. |
| 19:00.54 | Arc | NOOOOOO |
| 19:00.58 | alpha_jet | !next |
| 19:00.59 | gsocbot | alpha_jet: "next" is Apr 6 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. |
| 19:00.59 | natsub | lol |
| 19:01.00 | neena | isn't that over? |
| 19:01.01 | David_Honeynet | heh. application with 13 second left :) |
| 19:01.01 | skelet | :)) |
| 19:01.02 | |Kev| | !forget next |
| 19:01.02 | gsocbot | |Kev|: The operation succeeded. |
| 19:01.05 | vikash | ~Times Up~ |
| 19:01.08 | cool | !next |
| 19:01.09 | gsocbot | cool: Error: No factoid matches that key. |
| 19:01.15 | konr | !next |
| 19:01.16 | platzhirsch | okay, good luck to everyone who has applied :) |
| 19:01.16 | gsocbot | konr: Error: No factoid matches that key. |
| 19:01.17 | |Kev| | !learn forget as Apr 6 19:00 UTC - Students start asking for extensions. |
| 19:01.18 | gsocbot | |Kev|: "forget" is Apr 6 19:00 UTC - Students start asking for extensions. |
| 19:01.24 | alpha_jet | Yeah ! |
| 19:01.26 | dzhus | lol |
| 19:01.26 | alpha_jet | :D |
| 19:01.33 | flaushy | lol |Kev| |
| 19:01.34 | ofan_ | :D |
| 19:01.37 | natsub | !forget |
| 19:01.38 | gsocbot | natsub: (forget [<channel>] <key> [<number>|*]) -- Removes the factoid <key> from the factoids database. If there are more than one factoid with such a key, a number is necessary to determine which one should be removed. A * can be used to remove all factoids associated with a key. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself. |
| 19:01.46 | natsub | !next |
| 19:01.47 | gsocbot | natsub: Error: No factoid matches that key. |
| 19:01.47 | agliodbs | and .... applications are closed |
| 19:01.50 | jssol | platzhirsch: thanks! |
| 19:01.54 | |Kev| | And yes, we had an edit within the last minute. |
| 19:02.02 | Gentlecat | can i haz an extension? |
| 19:02.06 | konr | Are you getting comments on your proposals? Nothing so far, here :'( |
| 19:02.06 | |Kev| | But the closest proposal wias about 12 minutes. |
| 19:02.11 | masquerade | |Kev|: Had a new proposal in the last 2 minutes |
| 19:02.11 | downey | !extension | Gentlecat |
| 19:02.12 | gsocbot | Gentlecat: "extension" is not planned. |
| 19:02.16 | |Kev| | masquerade: Nice. |
| 19:02.22 | Gentlecat | :( |
| 19:02.23 | ofan_ | Just updated my proposal before the deadline. |
| 19:02.24 | Gushings | konr none here either. |
| 19:02.39 | masquerade | 2 new proposals total int he past hour |
| 19:02.50 | xiainx | |Kev|: 18:59:42 here |
| 19:02.53 | asteig | Now the boring wait begins? :D |
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| 19:03.01 | fxrh | right... |
| 19:03.03 | coyotebush | just missed submitting a second proposal, but that's that and I really hadn't quite been able to put necessary effort into it |
| 19:03.16 | fxrh | waiting... |
| 19:03.18 | masquerade | Luckily, I don't have to judge most of these proposals since I'm just a subpart of an umbrella |
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| 19:03.27 | sethjust | help! I went to submit a proposal but it gave me an error, and by the time it worked i was out of time! |
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| 19:03.43 | |Kev| | masquerade: I'm just a subpart of an umbrella - but also org admin. Which makes life additionally complicated. |
| 19:03.44 | asteig | sethjust :( |
| 19:03.45 | downey | !extension | sethjust |
| 19:03.45 | gsocbot | sethjust: "extension" is not planned. |
| 19:04.00 | fxrh | !next |
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| 19:04.01 | gsocbot | fxrh: Error: No factoid matches that key. |
| 19:04.02 | wtachi | !learn next as Until Apr 20 - Mentoring organizations review and rank proposals, contacting students if necessary |
| 19:04.02 | gsocbot | wtachi: "next" is Until Apr 20 - Mentoring organizations review and rank proposals, contacting students if necessary |
| 19:04.14 | masquerade | |Kev|: I feel your pain. Mind if I ask about how many applications to your organization? Cause you're going to have a lot to deal with |
| 19:04.15 | sethjust | so how do I submit my proposal? |
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| 19:04.30 | |Kev| | masquerade: We're only a very small umbrella. |
| 19:04.37 | sethjust | i tried before the deadline, but it failed :( |
| 19:04.40 | allman | Sethjust: I'm sorry but we do not give extensions. |
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| 19:04.52 | |Kev| | I think we had a round 20 'good' applications. |
| 19:04.58 | ashwin | !next |
| 19:04.59 | |Kev| | *around |
| 19:04.59 | gsocbot | ashwin: "next" is Until Apr 20 - Mentoring organizations review and rank proposals, contacting students if necessary |
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| 19:05.10 | downey | !forget extension |
| 19:05.11 | gsocbot | downey: The operation succeeded. |
| 19:05.15 | natsub | |Kev|: of how many? |
| 19:05.29 | agliodbs | kev: we only have 14 |
| 19:05.30 | downey | !learn extension is not available, sorry. Better luck next year. |
| 19:05.30 | gsocbot | downey: (learn [<channel>] <key> as <value>) -- Associates <key> with <value>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. The word 'as' is necessary to separate the key from the value. It can be changed to another word via the learnSeparator registry value. |
| 19:05.31 | sethjust | allman: so i'm out of luck? i put a lot of time into it and missed out by a few seconds |
| 19:05.32 | |Kev| | natsub: I'd need to check - we had a fair number apply in the last few hours. |
| 19:05.38 | David_Honeynet | sheesh. 5 new applications in the final 2 minutes |
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| 19:05.51 | agliodbs | David_Honeynet: nice |
| 19:06.01 | masquerade | I'm not sure how many good apps came in, but this umbrella has > 1 page of applications |
| 19:06.01 | robbyoconnor | allman: pm? |
| 19:06.02 | downey | !learn extension as is not available, sorry. Better luck next year. |
| 19:06.02 | gsocbot | downey: "extension" is is not available, sorry. Better luck next year. |
| 19:06.15 | wtachi | sethjust: you can still contribute to open source for free, of course, and you can try again next year |
| 19:06.26 | wtachi | this is why you're recommended to submit a draft early |
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| 19:06.40 | |Kev| | masquerade: Around 50 applications, I guess. I've not counted in a few hours. |
| 19:06.50 | Arc | yea in the last 2 hours python got almost nothig but updates, only a handful of new applications |
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| 19:07.01 | allman | Sethjust: I'm sorry but we have advised all along against waiting until the last few minutes to submit. This kind of thing always happens, which is why we have a rigid deadline. |
| 19:07.08 | sethjust | well fml |
| 19:07.08 | robbyoconnor | sethjust: the better suggestion would've been to not wait until the last minute. Next year don't do that! |
| 19:07.14 | sethjust | at least it was my weak one |
| 19:07.24 | sethjust | sadly i won't be eligible next year :( |
| 19:07.42 | sethjust | does getting a server error give me any leeway? |
| 19:07.43 | allman | sethjust: but you submitted another, right? |
| 19:08.00 | allman | sethjust: no. Sorry. |
| 19:08.01 | Arc | PSF got 83 applications this year |
| 19:08.05 | sethjust | allman: different org, very different project |
| 19:08.09 | sethjust | thanks for the help then |
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| 19:08.10 | natsub | sethjust > you are finishing university? |
| 19:08.13 | Arc | about a third of them are strong |
| 19:08.14 | sethjust | natsub: yes |
| 19:08.14 | natsub | *are you |
| 19:08.16 | wtachi | !learn extension as not available, sorry. You can work on open source outside GSoC and submit earlier next year. |
| 19:08.17 | gsocbot | wtachi: "extension" is (#1) not available for proposals not submitted before the deadline, sorry. Better luck next year., or (#2) not available, sorry. You can work on open source outside GSoC and submit earlier next year. |
| 19:08.19 | |Kev| | Arc: Is that more/less/same as expected? |
| 19:08.21 | jps | about 4x last year |
| 19:08.21 | wtachi | !forget extension 1 |
| 19:08.21 | gsocbot | wtachi: "extension" is not available, sorry. You can work on open source outside GSoC and submit earlier next year. |
| 19:08.32 | natsub | I have seen tons of proposals from graduate students |
| 19:08.42 | jps | !slots |
| 19:08.42 | gsocbot | jps: "slots" is (#1) Slot allocation is done manually by Chris DiBona and Carol Smith, be a good org, play nice on the mentor list and #gsoc, ask for a non-crazy-high number of slots, and you'll probably get what you ask. Note that non-crazy-high for new orgs is around 1 or 2., or (#2) http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/NotesonStudentAllocations |
| 19:08.47 | Arc | |Kev|: its about what i expected given previous years and that we had fewer projects under our umbrella this year |
| 19:08.51 | atermenji | does anybody knows the highest number of proposals per org? |
| 19:08.59 | sethjust | shit shit shit. thanks so much guys |
| 19:09.05 | wtachi | someone should update /topic |
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| 19:09.12 | |Kev| | Arc: Swift alone had about 25. I'm floored. |
| 19:09.21 | Arc | thats kinda crazy :-) |
| 19:09.27 | |Kev| | 60% of XSF applications. |
| 19:09.29 | aiguofer | hi I tried to send my proposal last minute and it closed on me, is it impossible to turn in now? |
| 19:09.31 | jps | Sphinx has 40. R has 60 |
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| 19:09.35 | zatix | one or two slots per project? that is a very litter number right? |
| 19:09.35 | wtachi | !extension | aiguofer |
| 19:09.36 | gsocbot | aiguofer: "extension" is not available, sorry. You can work on open source outside GSoC and submit earlier next year. |
| 19:09.36 | |Kev| | (As of a couple of hours ago when I last counted) |
| 19:09.38 | allman | Sethjust: you are welcome. Good luck with your other application(s). |
| 19:09.50 | antweb_ | So a lot more applications than last year? |
| 19:09.57 | aiguofer | :( ok thanks anyway |
| 19:09.57 | robbyoconnor | Do not wait til last minute guys (and gals) |
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| 19:10.06 | aiguofer | I thought it was due tonight.... |
| 19:10.09 | Arc | pysoy ended up with roughly 20/80 of PSF's applications |
| 19:10.17 | konr | will there be an extension? |
| 19:10.17 | aiguofer | should have marked the exact time it was due |
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| 19:10.24 | |Kev| | konr: No. There never is. |
| 19:10.25 | allman | aiguofer: I'm sorry but we do not give extensions. |
| 19:10.26 | Arc | !extesion | konr |
| 19:10.29 | dreimark | !next |
| 19:10.30 | gsocbot | dreimark: "next" is Until Apr 20 - Mentoring organizations review and rank proposals, contacting students if necessary |
| 19:10.32 | Arc | !extension | konr |
| 19:10.32 | gsocbot | konr: "extension" is not available, sorry. You can work on open source outside GSoC and submit earlier next year. |
| 19:10.36 | konr | just being silly :D |
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| 19:11.13 | robbyoconnor | I don't think I have sympathy for those who waited til the last second to submit their proposals |
| 19:11.34 | brunoais | is there a way to know the links for the applications' texts for a specific place (ex: phpbb). I'm refering to publicly visible ones, ofc |
| 19:11.45 | wtachi | !public | brunoais |
| 19:11.45 | gsocbot | brunoais: "public" is If a proposal is public anyone can see it if they have the url. Non-public proposals are visible by the student and the mentors for the organization they applied to. There is no list of all public proposals. |
| 19:12.03 | zatix | Last year there were about 1.100 students and about 180 projects right? |
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| 19:12.22 | downey | !numapps | zatix |
| 19:12.23 | gsocbot | zatix: "numapps" is 180 of 406 potential mentoring orgs were accepted in 2012. In 2011, 175 of 417 orgs were accepted; 3731 potential students submitted 5474 proposals, of which 1116 were accepted. In 2010, 151 of 367 orgs were accepted; 3464 students submitted 5539 proposals, and 1026 were accepted. |
| 19:12.23 | wtachi | brunoais: of course, you can Google or look through mailing lists for links |
| 19:12.36 | brunoais | nice, where are they ? |
| 19:12.46 | brunoais | which keywords should I use? |
| 19:12.51 | wtachi | no idea |
| 19:13.07 | robbyoconnor | brunoais: if you're gonna be in soc, you MUST learn to google |
| 19:13.08 | Gushings | blind chances are about 1/3 then, not bad. |
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| 19:14.00 | zatix | !slot |
| 19:14.07 | zatix | !slots |
| 19:14.08 | gsocbot | zatix: "slots" is (#1) Slot allocation is done manually by Chris DiBona and Carol Smith, be a good org, play nice on the mentor list and #gsoc, ask for a non-crazy-high number of slots, and you'll probably get what you ask. Note that non-crazy-high for new orgs is around 1 or 2., or (#2) http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/NotesonStudentAllocations |
| 19:14.10 | spindizzy | 50:50, your proposals are accepted or not :P |
| 19:14.20 | aiguofer | robbyoconnor: I'd like to point out, some people may have started working on this and getting their ideas together long long ago, but were still waiting to hear back from the project they were trying to apply for. |
| 19:14.37 | zatix | 2 slots per project? and there are 180 projects and about 1100 accepted students? |
| 19:14.46 | flaushy | zatix: 2 slots for new orgs |
| 19:14.48 | spindizzy | _new orgs_, zatix |
| 19:15.01 | robbyoconnor | aiguofer: perhaps true |
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| 19:15.25 | natsub | og |
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| 19:15.34 | robbyoconnor | you could have communicated early *BEFORE* student apps deadline and gotten this worked out ;) |
| 19:15.38 | natsub | so about the 30% where accepted |
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| 19:16.00 | abhinavm90 | ive submitted a proposal how do i ge feedback??? |
| 19:16.07 | abhinavm90 | *get |
| 19:16.11 | robbyoconnor | abhinavm90: on your proposal comment |
| 19:16.12 | Gushings | I wonder who got the highest number of slots. |
| 19:16.15 | wtachi | IIRC, that 5474 doesn't include proposals marked as "spam" |
| 19:16.19 | robbyoconnor | or go to the irc channel for your project |
| 19:16.26 | agliodbs | Gushings: generally the umbrella orgs, like Apache |
| 19:16.30 | abhinavm90 | 3 ppl on that channel |
| 19:16.34 | robbyoconnor | or send a message to the mailing list -- any number of ways |
| 19:16.41 | robbyoconnor | abhinavm90: are you on the right network? |
| 19:16.47 | abhinavm90 | done that no reply :D |
| 19:16.55 | trusktr | Hello all. Based on the calendar of events, I thought the deadline was at 1pm (it's only 12:16pm) here. I wasn't able to submit. |
| 19:16.57 | Gushings | Yeah, I can understand that. |
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| 19:17.04 | robbyoconnor | abhinavm90: wait patiently -- you can't modify it now... |
| 19:17.05 | downey | !extension | trusktr |
| 19:17.06 | gsocbot | trusktr: "extension" is not available, sorry. You can work on open source outside GSoC and submit earlier next year. |
| 19:17.07 | sethjust | \msg nickserv identify password |
| 19:17.13 | Gushings | They probably got what, 10? |
| 19:17.13 | |Kev| | trusktr: I suspect you got the timezone wrong. |
| 19:17.19 | dsathe | abhinavm90: sit and chill |
| 19:17.19 | robbyoconnor | sethjust: please tell me your password isn't "password" |
| 19:17.42 | sethjust | robbyoconnor: ask me how much i care |
| 19:17.44 | aiguofer | true, I'm not asking for sympathy or pity, but I am quite frustrated because I have been working at this for over three weeks, but the project I wanted to work for, Banshee, didn't do a very good job of getting back at me to work out details of application. I decided to go ahead and try to fill it out as I saw fit and then missed the deadline by a few seconds. |
| 19:17.45 | robbyoconnor | abhinavm90: be patient, breathe, and relax... have some of the #gsoc tea and cookies! |
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| 19:17.53 | sethjust | aiguofer: i'm in the same boat |
| 19:17.56 | sethjust | i'm sorry |
| 19:18.04 | downey | !edit | aiguofer |
| 19:18.04 | gsocbot | aiguofer: "edit" is Students can edit proposals up until the application deadline. Mentors can allow students to edit proposals on a case-by-case basis after the deadline. Note that comments on proposals can _not_ be edited after submitting. |
| 19:18.07 | demosdemon | robbyoconnor nickserv passwords are stored in plaintext sooooo… it's not a good idea to use a secure password |
| 19:18.12 | dougmencken | hi! I'm not a student, but I want to work for free software |
| 19:18.14 | blacktooth | !slots |
| 19:18.14 | gsocbot | blacktooth: "slots" is (#1) Slot allocation is done manually by Chris DiBona and Carol Smith, be a good org, play nice on the mentor list and #gsoc, ask for a non-crazy-high number of slots, and you'll probably get what you ask. Note that non-crazy-high for new orgs is around 1 or 2., or (#2) http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/NotesonStudentAllocations |
| 19:18.20 | dougmencken | can I apply to GSoC? |
| 19:18.27 | |Kev| | demosdemon: That logic is entirely wrong, I'm afraid. |
| 19:18.28 | abhinavm90 | but even if i dont get in will the mentor mail me to tell me what i did wrong?? |
| 19:18.43 | abhinavm90 | that feedback would help |
| 19:18.49 | |Kev| | dougmencken: You can't apply for GSoC, you can work on Free software. |
| 19:18.54 | demosdemon | well… yeah, I'm not going to use the same style of passwords I use everywhere else |
| 19:18.54 | agliodbs | dougmencken: no, but you can certainly contribute to the open source project of your choice! |
| 19:19.08 | agliodbs | abhinavm90: that's really up to the org you applied for |
| 19:19.09 | robbyoconnor | dougmencken: no |
| 19:19.13 | agliodbs | lunch, later |
| 19:19.15 | dougmencken | bad |
| 19:19.26 | robbyoconnor | !timeline | dougmencken |
| 19:19.26 | gsocbot | dougmencken: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2012 |
| 19:19.30 | abhinavm90 | lets hope |
| 19:19.36 | robbyoconnor | memorize it ;) |
| 19:19.38 | Gushings | Quick take a class at the community college. |
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| 19:19.55 | robbyoconnor | Gushings: community colleges aren't bad. |
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| 19:20.03 | sethjust | demosdemon: yeah, don't use secure passwords for things you don't care about |
| 19:20.13 | trusktr | Yup, I just checked the timeline and it says the submission deadline is from "12pm – 1pm". |
| 19:20.16 | ofan_ | !next |
| 19:20.17 | gsocbot | ofan_: "next" is Until Apr 20 - Mentoring organizations review and rank proposals, contacting students if necessary |
| 19:20.18 | abhinavm90 | how do i get an archive of this chat if possible?? |
| 19:20.27 | wtachi | !logs | abhinavm90 |
| 19:20.28 | gsocbot | abhinavm90: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
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| 19:20.34 | demosdemon | sethjust I do care about my nickname's reputation, so my password is more secure than 'password' |
| 19:20.36 | robbyoconnor | sethjust: I would strongly advise you to change that as this channel is logged. |
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| 19:20.53 | Gushings | robbyoconnor you can get enrolled almost immediately is what I what I was saying. |
| 19:20.56 | ofan_ | Will the score be shown in the proposal page? |
| 19:20.58 | downey | sethjust: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#changepass |
| 19:21.01 | |Kev| | Aaaand there's the first mail asking far an extension. |
| 19:21.04 | robbyoconnor | sethjust: for example I could ghost you right now -- I won't but I could. |
| 19:21.18 | sethjust | how do i change my password? |
| 19:21.20 | abhinavm90 | thanks |
| 19:21.22 | abhinavm90 | !logs |
| 19:21.22 | gsocbot | abhinavm90: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
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| 19:21.33 | wtachi | ofan_: students don't find out the score, only whether they're accepted |
| 19:21.33 | spindizzy | trusktr: the calendar uses US Pacific time |
| 19:21.34 | sethjust | damn latex has got me using too many backslashes |
| 19:21.34 | robbyoconnor | sethjust: /ns set password <new one here> |
| 19:21.36 | Reganeet | hi all |
| 19:21.41 | trusktr | I'm on the pacific... haha |
| 19:21.49 | Reganeet | I just missed the deadline of proposal submission |
| 19:21.52 | trusktr | It's not 1pm yet... |
| 19:22.00 | wtachi | !extension | Reganeet |
| 19:22.01 | gsocbot | Reganeet: "extension" is not available, sorry. You can work on open source outside GSoC and submit earlier next year. |
| 19:22.21 | sethjust | Reganeet: it closed at noon pacific and there are no extensions |
| 19:22.26 | sethjust | i missed it by seconds |
| 19:22.32 | aiguofer | downey: does that mean that the mentor could allow me to send the proposal through him, or that for next year I should just go ahead and send a proposal as early as possible and edit it as I get more info? |
| 19:22.33 | trusktr | I'm in Sacramento, CA where the time is 12:22pm |
| 19:22.44 | trusktr | spindizzy: |
| 19:22.45 | |Kev| | aiguofer: The latter. |
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| 19:22.53 | aiguofer | ok thanks |
| 19:22.53 | Reganeet | Really no extension for only half an hour? |
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| 19:22.54 | downey | aiguofer: Next year. :) But you can work on the project voluntarily until then. |
| 19:23.03 | Reganeet | No... |
| 19:23.09 | |Kev| | !extension |
| 19:23.09 | gsocbot | |Kev|: "extension" is not available, sorry. You can work on open source outside GSoC and submit earlier next year. |
| 19:23.12 | sttaylor | trusktr: The deadline was noon Pacific Time. |
| 19:23.13 | |Kev| | !forget extension |
| 19:23.13 | gsocbot | |Kev|: The operation succeeded. |
| 19:23.14 | downey | !extension | Reganeet |
| 19:23.15 | aiguofer | yeah I missed the deadline by 1 minute... or probably just a few seconds, a few of us in the same boat |
| 19:23.16 | dsathe | afaik times are given in UTC , how does region matter |
| 19:23.18 | sethjust | Reganeet: i got screwed over by a server error, it's just too bad for us |
| 19:23.28 | wtachi | dsathe: the calendar doesn't show UTC |
| 19:23.32 | Reganeet | can we email anyone for help? |
| 19:23.34 | downey | It wasn't a server error. It was Melange shutting off applications. :) |
| 19:23.44 | |Kev| | !learn extension as "extension" is not available, sorry. You can work on open source outside GSoC and submit earlier next year. If you want to work on Open Source projects, you can usually use the same contact details you would have used for applying to GSoC. |
| 19:23.44 | gsocbot | |Kev|: "extension" is extension is not available, sorry. You can work on open source outside GSoC and submit earlier next year. If you want to work on Open Source projects, you can usually use the same contact details you would have used for applying to GSoC. |
| 19:23.46 | sethjust | downey: I was given an error code at about 11:58 |
| 19:23.49 | aiguofer | but yeah I plan to spend my summer working on a project of interest anyway, so hopefully I'll have a better shot next year |
| 19:23.54 | v1z_ | that calendar not showing UTC.... has been the excuse for many |
| 19:23.58 | downey | sethjust: Better not wait until the last minute next year. :) |
| 19:23.59 | sethjust | downey: it told me to retry |
| 19:24.00 | v1z_ | I guess it is a real problem |
| 19:24.04 | dsathe | !timeline |
| 19:24.04 | gsocbot | dsathe: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2012 |
| 19:24.10 | v1z_ | I vote for UTC being in the calendar from now on |
| 19:24.16 | sethjust | downey: i learned. I'm not blaming anybody, the rules are the rules |
| 19:24.35 | sethjust | dickish rules, but rules |
| 19:24.37 | downey | The calendar states: "Events shown in time zone: Pacific Time" … |
| 19:24.39 | masquerade | So I think there are some apps for my organization which were meant for another organization. Anyone know if there's a traditional way to get them moved? |
| 19:24.53 | trusktr | Hey all, technically the deadline is over in 36 minutes according to here: https://www.google.com/calendar/render?eid=bzkyYXRvZGwyb2ZibGw5OGZ1Y3QyZjg3aDQgZ3N1bW1lcm9mY29kZUBt&ctz=America/Los_Angeles&pli=1&sf=true&output=xml |
| 19:24.58 | robbyoconnor | sethjust: your clock could be off by 2 minutes (it has happened) |
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| 19:25.40 | robbyoconnor | trusktr: 12:00pm PT |
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| 19:25.51 | sethjust | robbyoconnor: i know, it's just unusual given that my ntp is pretty good. my question is, we're encouraged to submit drafts but can't edit them after the deadline? |
| 19:25.52 | robbyoconnor | it's over as of 25 minutes ago |
| 19:25.53 | dhaun | masquerade: or maybe they are just spam? see discussion on the mentor list |
| 19:26.14 | robbyoconnor | sethjust: your drafts should be done during the application period |
| 19:26.18 | downey | !edit | sethjust |
| 19:26.18 | gsocbot | sethjust: "edit" is Students can edit proposals up until the application deadline. Mentors can allow students to edit proposals on a case-by-case basis after the deadline. Note that comments on proposals can _not_ be edited after submitting. |
| 19:26.22 | dberkholz | trusktr: the canonical source is the timeline on the melange site, which says 1900 utc. the length of that "deadline" in google calendar is just to make it easier to read its title. |
| 19:26.27 | shhh | for those saying with timezone problem, you should have just added the gsoc cal into your ical or google cal and it will ajusted to your timezone provided you set it right. |
| 19:26.44 | masquerade | dhaun: it's not a bad application really, I think there's just some confusion. The organization does umbrella stuff, and listed projects under then, and also mentioned "partnering" organizations, which were registered separately |
| 19:27.03 | trusktr | Lol. Oh. So what region is taken to be standard in UTC? |
| 19:27.20 | Jooles | trusktr: ?? |
| 19:27.20 | robbyoconnor | UTC == GMT |
| 19:27.24 | robbyoconnor | I think. |
| 19:27.34 | ejls | robbyoconnor: not exactly, but more or less yes. |
| 19:27.38 | Jooles | trusktr:UTC *is* a standard region |
| 19:27.40 | downey | trusktr robbyoconnor - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordinated_Universal_Time |
| 19:28.27 | Reganeet | Is there a direct contacter for GSoC that we can ask for an extension? |
| 19:28.37 | shhh | trusktr: http://www.worldtimeserver.com/current_time_in_UTC.aspx |
| 19:28.39 | dfighter | no |
| 19:28.43 | dfighter | you can't have an extension |
| 19:28.45 | dfighter | period |
| 19:29.05 | abhinavm90 | !log |
| 19:29.06 | aiguofer | lol |
| 19:29.06 | gsocbot | abhinavm90: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified. |
| 19:29.18 | abhinavm90 | whoami |
| 19:29.25 | dhaun | !logs | abhinavm90 |
| 19:29.26 | gsocbot | abhinavm90: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
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| 19:29.58 | aiguofer | well, I guess there's nothing left to do here... until next year, and good luck to those that got their applications in! |
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| 19:30.31 | dfighter | I got mine in the same day applications were opened |
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| 19:32.49 | ejls | Is there a list of the public student proposals? |
| 19:33.02 | Gushings | No |
| 19:33.02 | abhinavm90 | i did !logs its giving me a link i cant open any suggestions? |
| 19:33.15 | Gushings | You need the url to view it ejis |
| 19:33.23 | ejls | Ok, thanks. |
| 19:33.55 | dhaun | abhinavm90: works for me - try replacing the %23 with a # sign |
| 19:33.59 | wtachi | abhinavm90: try a different web browser? |
| 19:34.12 | sttaylor | Reganeet: I work for GSoC and we do not give any extensions. You can still work with the projects outside of GSoC. |
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| 19:37.48 | |Kev| | Number of people who will pay attention to that mail: 0. |
| 19:37.51 | |Kev| | But I tried, anyway. |
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| 19:39.17 | sharvey | |Kev|: mail? |
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| 19:39.41 | |Kev| | sharvey: I just wrote a mail to -discuss encouraging anyone who missed the deadline to work on OSS regardless. |
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| 19:40.20 | sharvey | oh, yeah |
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| 19:41.48 | ejls | !next |
| 19:41.49 | gsocbot | ejls: "next" is Until Apr 20 - Mentoring organizations review and rank proposals, contacting students if necessary |
| 19:42.23 | ofan_ | Is it possible to know whether I'm accepted before the deadline? |
| 19:42.29 | |Kev| | ofan_: No. |
| 19:42.44 | |Kev| | Because until the students are announced, nothing is certain. |
| 19:43.00 | platzhirsch | I feel void inside |
| 19:43.11 | |Kev| | Static cast yourself. |
| 19:43.12 | ofan_ | platzhirsch: I can feel you. |
| 19:43.20 | thgil | Should you expect the org you applied to to contact you in the next 2 weeks? |
| 19:43.27 | |Kev| | thgil: Maybe, maybe not. |
| 19:43.28 | sttaylor | ofan: the accepted students will be announced on the GSoC website on April 23rd at 19:00 UTC |
| 19:43.40 | platzhirsch | ofan_: let's grab some food and eat something |
| 19:43.49 | |Kev| | Not getting comments means anything from your application is trash through to they want to accept you and need no further input from you. |
| 19:43.51 | platzhirsch | I cast food on myself or something |
| 19:43.59 | ofan_ | platzhirsch: good idea. |
| 19:44.18 | platzhirsch | |Kev|: haha this is great |
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| 19:44.43 | platzhirsch | I received feedback 2h before deadline and was really glad about it |
| 19:45.22 | platzhirsch | it was like "please withdraw your proposal, it cannot be fixed within the next 2h and is only blocking our view from the other proposals" |
| 19:45.33 | natsurou | btw, what are that tax forms the timeline mentions |
| 19:45.41 | natsurou | ? |
| 19:45.49 | dsathe | chill youull get them all |
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| 19:45.57 | ofan_ | platzhirsch: really? |
| 19:45.58 | dsathe | detailed mail from carol |
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| 19:46.24 | dsathe | when the time comes, there is plenty of action :) |
| 19:46.30 | platzhirsch | ofan_: well it was a little bit shorter |
| 19:46.40 | platzhirsch | Proposal broken beyond repair |
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| 19:47.37 | ofan_ | platzhirsch: I just updated my proposal 1 minute before the deadline, but I'm still not satisfied with it. |
| 19:47.45 | platzhirsch | ofan_: I think that is ok |
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| 19:48.03 | |Kev| | You can continue to post comments. |
| 19:48.07 | platzhirsch | You could always modify something or add more things if you have more time |
| 19:48.09 | ofan_ | platzhirsch: Will the mentor let you withdraw your proposal? |
| 19:48.24 | platzhirsch | ofan_: oh sorry, I was just kidding, it were actually helpful comments |
| 19:48.45 | platzhirsch | My mentor asked me to add arguments to two thoughts he add in order to improve my proposal |
| 19:48.48 | ofan_ | platzhirsch: oh. lol |
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| 19:50.17 | sdsdafsdf | Hi |
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| 19:50.44 | klocatelli | hi |
| 19:50.46 | Jeroen_123 | Is any of the organizers here? |
| 19:51.22 | sharvey | probably |
| 19:51.24 | allman | hi - what can we do for you? |
| 19:51.46 | maccy | Jeroen_123: "don't ask to ask" is a good policy on IRC. ;) |
| 19:51.57 | Jeroen_123 | I'm so sorry, I had technical difficulties with my internet and now I missed the deadline. |
| 19:51.59 | |Kev| | queues up !extnesions ready. |
| 19:51.59 | ihlar | Hi, I missed the deadline by 45 minutes because my internet connection was down. I have submitted it to my mentor organization already since we use a template there. Am I completely screwed now? My mentor organization is ESUG. |
| 19:52.06 | |Kev| | !extension: Jeroen_123 |
| 19:52.12 | |Kev| | !extension | Jeroen_123 |
| 19:52.12 | gsocbot | Jeroen_123: "extension" is extension is not available, sorry. You can work on open source outside GSoC and submit earlier next year. If you want to work on Open Source projects, you can usually use the same contact details you would have used for applying to GSoC. |
| 19:52.18 | |Kev| | Second time I've made that typo this evening :/ |
| 19:52.40 | Jeroen_123 | :() |
| 19:52.47 | allman | ihlar: if you have already submitted your application what is the trouble? |
| 19:52.54 | edsiper | ihlar, i would say that yes. |
| 19:53.02 | edsiper | allman, he did not submitted to melange |
| 19:53.05 | |Kev| | ihlar: If your application is not in Melange yet, it's too late. If it's in Melange, then what's the problem? |
| 19:53.11 | trusktr | !extension edsiper |
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| 19:53.17 | trusktr | !extension: edsiper |
| 19:53.21 | Domiiii | hum... i cant remember signing a "Student Participant Agreement", does one have to accept before submitting a proposal? |
| 19:53.23 | trusktr | lol |
| 19:53.39 | |Kev| | Domiiii: I believe yo uwill have agreed to that when you signed up to Melange. |
| 19:53.45 | allman | oh dear - I hope your application is already in Melange. If not, there is nothing we can do. |
| 19:53.51 | trusktr | !extension | Jeroen_123 |
| 19:53.52 | gsocbot | Jeroen_123: "extension" is extension is not available, sorry. You can work on open source outside GSoC and submit earlier next year. If you want to work on Open Source projects, you can usually use the same contact details you would have used for applying to GSoC. |
| 19:53.59 | trusktr | !extension | trusktr |
| 19:53.59 | gsocbot | trusktr: "extension" is extension is not available, sorry. You can work on open source outside GSoC and submit earlier next year. If you want to work on Open Source projects, you can usually use the same contact details you would have used for applying to GSoC. |
| 19:54.06 | Jeroen_123 | :( |
| 19:54.12 | |Kev| | !bot |
| 19:54.15 | allman | sorry! |
| 19:54.19 | Jeroen_123 | I didnt submit it yet because my mentor wanted to look over it. |
| 19:54.24 | |Kev| | No, what is the 'playing with the bot' command? |
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| 19:54.38 | mmadia | !abuse |
| 19:54.41 | |Kev| | mmadia: Ta. |
| 19:54.45 | |Kev| | !botabuse | trusktr |
| 19:54.45 | gsocbot | trusktr: "botabuse" is (#1) If you want to play with the bot, please do so in a private /query so as not to spam the channel, or (#2) When in a query with me, use whatis #gsoc <factoid> |
| 19:54.55 | mmadia | i almost had it :) |
| 19:55.05 | |Kev| | It was close enough to jog my memory. |
| 19:55.07 | |Kev| | Thanks. |
| 19:55.16 | edsiper | Jeroen_123, we requested a template to the students before the open period, when it was open we encourage them to submit it into melange... thats the expected |
| 19:56.12 | allman | Jeroen_123: I'm sorry but there is nothing we can do. I hope you will still consider coding for the project outside of the GSoC program. |
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| 20:00.28 | Jeroen_123 | :'( |
| 20:01.09 | downey | !edit | Jeroen_123 |
| 20:01.10 | gsocbot | Jeroen_123: "edit" is Students can edit proposals up until the application deadline. Mentors can allow students to edit proposals on a case-by-case basis after the deadline. Note that comments on proposals can _not_ be edited after submitting. |
| 20:01.13 | downey | (FYI) |
| 20:01.28 | Domiiii | are there any complications if I am a foreigner and a resident of a foreign country? |
| 20:01.46 | Domiiii | i just realized that this case is not covered by the FAQ... I am German but I live in East Asia |
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| 20:02.20 | Afan_ | IIRC the FAQ says your fine as long as your not in a country embargoed by the US |
| 20:02.22 | simonl | Domiiii: There are |
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| 20:02.36 | Domiiii | I mean tax-related and work-permission-related issues |
| 20:02.41 | simonl | And it's in the FAQ |
| 20:03.10 | simonl | You need work authorization, and to be in a non-embargoed country |
| 20:03.30 | simonl | and you need to be a student at an accredited institution |
| 20:03.56 | Domiiii | right |
| 20:03.58 | Domiiii | makes sense |
| 20:04.03 | |Kev| | Domiiii: You must be legally able to work in the country you're inhabiting. |
| 20:04.08 | Domiiii | of course |
| 20:04.17 | |Kev| | So you need a work visa for wherever you are in East Asia. |
| 20:04.31 | |Kev| | (Or whatever type of permit-to-work is required in that country) |
| 20:04.39 | Domiiii | I was just afraid that I overlooked something because "work permit" per se is not listed as required document, nevermind me then :) |
| 20:04.40 | |Kev| | But IANAL. |
| 20:04.50 | Domiiii | yeah |
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| 20:05.04 | Domiiii | i'll go and apply for a work permit as soon as I get my confirmation |
| 20:05.19 | Domiiii | thanks |
| 20:05.34 | |Kev| | I'm not sure that's the optimal order. |
| 20:06.02 | Domiiii | ill go and get it on monday, just to be sure :) |
| 20:06.19 | vikash | Are GSoC applications editable now? |
| 20:06.23 | |Kev| | If you wait until you're accepted, then the permit is delayed for some reason, you can't do GSoC, the org loses a student, the other students lose a place, etc. |
| 20:06.26 | |Kev| | vikash: No. |
| 20:06.32 | vikash | oK |
| 20:06.42 | ofan_ | !faq |
| 20:06.42 | gsocbot | ofan_: "faq" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs |
| 20:06.47 | simonl | Domiiii: Do that. Ideally you'd be able to withdraw from GSoC without wasting a slot for someone else, in the case you can't get authorization |
| 20:07.00 | dsathe | kya hua vikash ? |
| 20:07.08 | Domiiii | im eligible for a work permit, thats not the issue, but ok |
| 20:07.17 | Domiiii | i also wanna have the feeling of being on the safe side |
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| 20:12.01 | sonney2k | is there already some stats available how many students applied / how many proposals were submitted? |
| 20:12.30 | viraj_ | when is the time to adding comments to proposals gonna end? |
| 20:12.59 | sonney2k | Apr 20 |
| 20:13.25 | thgil | !next |
| 20:13.26 | gsocbot | thgil: "next" is Until Apr 20 - Mentoring organizations review and rank proposals, contacting students if necessary |
| 20:15.06 | viraj_ | sonney2k, thanks :) |
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| 20:21.48 | allman | sonney2k: not for a while. Watch the Google Open Source Blog. |
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| 20:25.14 | d34th4ck3r | cant wait for 23rd. |
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| 20:29.22 | v1z_ | uf u hack ne next few days within the org's community, im sure you must get some increase in acceptance rate (hint hint) |
| 20:29.27 | v1z_ | *the |
| 20:29.40 | aghisla | and time will pass faster :) |
| 20:29.56 | arthursribeiro | !next |
| 20:29.57 | gsocbot | arthursribeiro: "next" is Until Apr 20 - Mentoring organizations review and rank proposals, contacting students if necessary |
| 20:30.31 | v1z_ | applications are not everything. get some rest then back to coding! |
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| 20:38.51 | nickbarnesccf | Aargh. Got a really good proposal from a student today. By email. As far as I can tell, she hasn't posted it to the melange website. Have replied to her to ask what happened. |
| 20:39.13 | platzhirsch | ouch |
| 20:39.24 | aghisla | that's a pity! |
| 20:40.13 | Catfish_Man | nickbarnesccf: sounds like one to try to encourage outside of gsoc, but yeah, that sucks :/ |
| 20:41.33 | nickbarnesccf | If she's got a good excuse, e.g. melange website crashed on her, then I will talk to the GSoC admins to find out whether anything can be done (and if not then I'll shop around for other funding sources for her. If it's simply that she can't follow instructions, we're probably better off without. |
| 20:41.33 | v1z_ | ouch. |
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| 20:42.04 | v1z_ | if only she had submitted a stub w/ an URL to an external doc ;-) |
| 20:42.06 | agliodbs | nickbarnesccf: AFAIK, the google staff doesn't make exceptions |
| 20:42.19 | downey | !exception |
| 20:42.27 | downey | !exceptions |
| 20:42.28 | gsocbot | downey: "exceptions" is There will be no exceptions. No exceptions. |
| 20:42.30 | v1z_ | yeah, they dont. |
| 20:42.30 | downey | :D |
| 20:44.30 | alinrus | I would say that the application was to late if it was sent today regardless of the missing deadline |
| 20:44.36 | alinrus | *too |
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| 20:50.01 | jps | alinrus: not if the student was communicating with the mentor(s) beforhand, of course |
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| 20:52.07 | gevaerts | jps: there's a big difference between last edit and first submission |
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| 20:53.06 | d34th4ck3r | i believe open source is a wonderful community to help people learn and explore . Google is doing great work for human civilization. :) |
| 20:53.56 | |Kev| | While I entirely agree that what Google does with GSoC, it might be nice to recognise the people who work year-round on OSS without stipends too. |
| 20:54.09 | v1z_ | everybody is praising Google. |
| 20:54.11 | v1z_ | Google 4 ever |
| 20:54.21 | |Kev| | +missing words |
| 20:54.56 | |Kev| | Some of us get fully or partially paid for our OSS work, but lots of people don't and do it anyway. |
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| 20:55.19 | agliodbs | kev, sure. but this *is* the GSOC channel |
| 20:55.26 | alinrus | and some would like to do it even for free yet contracts forbid it :) |
| 20:55.39 | agliodbs | and I, for one, welcome our new Google overlords. ;-) |
| 20:55.40 | d34th4ck3r | |Kev|: how do people get gain paid for working in OSS ? |
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| 20:55.48 | d34th4ck3r | *get paid |
| 20:55.59 | |Kev| | Well, GSoC for one. |
| 20:56.16 | |Kev| | But look at e.g. RedHat (and many many other examples) |
| 20:56.16 | d34th4ck3r | yea, i know only that one, what else? |
| 20:56.23 | gevaerts | d34th4ck3r: usually by getting a job that involves working on OSS :) |
| 20:56.32 | platzhirsch | d34th4ck3r: something between Donation and Selling your soul |
| 20:56.52 | d34th4ck3r | gevaerts: how to we find such work? |
| 20:56.58 | Catfish_Man | d34th4ck3r: anyone paid to work on webkit, gcc, llvm, etc... is getting paid to work on open source |
| 20:57.03 | platzhirsch | some corporations are making their software open source, because of tons of advantages |
| 20:57.04 | Catfish_Man | heck, technically I am with CFLite |
| 20:57.34 | MatthewWilkes | platzhirsch: Or get a job that uses OSS a lot and make the case that you fixing bugs upstream is easier and cheaper than working around problems |
| 20:57.48 | Catfish_Man | d34th4ck3r: at my previous job I got paid to work on openfire, spark, spark web, which are all open source |
| 20:58.31 | d34th4ck3r | Catfish_Man: yea, but you worked on them, so you used the product , but you dint help improve the product, isint it? |
| 20:58.40 | |Kev| | d34th4ck3r: No. |
| 20:58.45 | Catfish_Man | d34th4ck3r: uh, I was the primary author of sparkweb |
| 20:58.48 | |Kev| | Catfish_Man was a developer on those products. |
| 20:59.01 | MatthewWilkes | sorry platzhirsch, that should have gone to d34th4ck3r |
| 20:59.01 | d34th4ck3r | WOW! |
| 20:59.10 | o0o0o | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrGe6XDApWs did anyone gather cool gsoc material like this? |
| 20:59.12 | Catfish_Man | that's not really a "wow" thing, it was a dinky little project |
| 20:59.19 | Catfish_Man | but, it was open source and I did get paid :) |
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| 20:59.36 | agliodbs | is a consultant |
| 20:59.36 | d34th4ck3r | Catfish_Man: and who pays you? |
| 20:59.45 | Catfish_Man | at the time, Jive Software |
| 20:59.52 | Catfish_Man | now, Apple does |
| 20:59.53 | alinrus | I think web developers have it easier with working on oss |
| 20:59.54 | Catfish_Man | in the future, who knows |
| 21:00.29 | d34th4ck3r | Apple pays you for building open source products? o.O what will apple gain from this? |
| 21:00.43 | platzhirsch | knowledge |
| 21:00.52 | Catfish_Man | d34th4ck3r: I only peripherally work on open source stuff at the moment (CFLite... is, but not very) |
| 21:01.00 | Catfish_Man | but for example the webkit and llvm teams more directly do |
| 21:01.03 | gevaerts | d34th4ck3r: suppose you're at work, and you use some software, and you find a bug in it, and you fix that bu, what do you do? Keep the fix for yourself and patch the thing every time you install or upgrade, or contribute and be done with it? |
| 21:01.14 | alinrus | I know a lot of embedded engineers that would get fired, not to mention legal repercusions for publishing even a patch upstream, though all use linux, gcc, qemu |
| 21:01.27 | alinrus | gevaerts: keep the fixes in house, this is how it's done |
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| 21:01.43 | sharvey | there are obviously two houses of thought |
| 21:01.43 | Catfish_Man | d34th4ck3r: many many large corporations open source various sub-projects of theirs. Why does Google open source Chrome? |
| 21:01.47 | |Kev| | Not in the decent places to work :p |
| 21:02.01 | gevaerts | alinrus: I know there are people who think like that, but you know changing jobs is allowed, right? |
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| 21:02.30 | alinrus | gevaerts: geography still matters |
| 21:02.45 | gevaerts | alinrus: there's open source software for that too! |
| 21:02.49 | d34th4ck3r | gevaerts: yea, but thats very unlikely to happen , isint it?one in a year or something..that wont make open source organizations so strong , isint it? |
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| 21:03.49 | d34th4ck3r | Catfish_Man: hmm, got the idea. |
| 21:03.54 | |Kev| | d34th4ck3r: And then you need an extra feature, so you patch that too. |
| 21:04.02 | |Kev| | d34th4ck3r: Everything helps. |
| 21:04.11 | gevaerts | d34th4ck3r: bugs aren't *that* uncommon |
| 21:05.50 | d34th4ck3r | got it, Thanks! |
| 21:06.44 | d34th4ck3r | one more thing, why will someone start some big project as open source , when he can make same product ,sell it and earn a lot of money. :P |
| 21:06.59 | jacktrick[Cloud] | has the student application deadline passed? |
| 21:07.02 | jacktrick[Cloud] | >.> |
| 21:07.06 | |Kev| | Why not release it opensourec and make lots of money? |
| 21:07.06 | d34th4ck3r | jacktrick[Cloud]: yea |
| 21:07.10 | jacktrick[Cloud] | aw |
| 21:07.14 | jacktrick[Cloud] | k, thanks |
| 21:07.16 | jacktrick[Cloud] | <.< |
| 21:07.22 | d34th4ck3r | |Kev|: and hows that? |
| 21:07.24 | MatzeWilkes | d34th4ck3r: You can't sell a big project and make a lot of money |
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| 21:07.45 | MatzeWilkes | d34th4ck3r: You can build a company, invest many tens of thousands of dollars of money and time and maybe sell the company |
| 21:07.50 | gevaerts | d34th4ck3r: most open source projects don't start out very big |
| 21:07.59 | |Kev| | gevaerts: Pretty much by definition. |
| 21:08.32 | d34th4ck3r | MatzeWilkes: we can sell final product, instead of whole company? |
| 21:08.43 | puff | Erm. Hi. Have I missed the student submission deadline yet? |
| 21:08.50 | d34th4ck3r | puff: yea |
| 21:09.04 | puff | Well fiddlesticks... |
| 21:09.07 | puff | :< |
| 21:09.10 | gevaerts | d34th4ck3r: the vast majority of software isn't packaged products... |
| 21:09.35 | MatzeWilkes | d34th4ck3r: You'll find very few examples of people making money that way |
| 21:09.43 | Catfish_Man | gevaerts: though many of the fun ones are :) |
| 21:10.16 | gevaerts | Catfish_Man: depends on your idea of fun :) |
| 21:10.20 | Catfish_Man | that it does |
| 21:10.39 | sharvey | Catfish_Man: (or whoever else has ops) may be worth to mention submissions are closed in topic? |
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| 21:11.18 | *** topic/#gsoc by Catfish_Man -> http://www.google-melange.com Google Summer of Code 2012 has started! Accepted organizations have been announced. You can check out the timeline: http://goo.gl/FQb2b and the FAQs: http://goo.gl/Lh4R8 for more information. | If your org was rejected and you want to find out why, email carols | The student submission period has ended, good luck to everyone who applied! |
| 21:11.25 | Catfish_Man | sure |
| 21:11.27 | sharvey | :) |
| 21:11.46 | puff | Real shame that. Had a great project idea too ¬_¬ |
| 21:11.57 | sharvey | puff: did you talk with your org? |
| 21:12.04 | MatzeWilkes | puff: Next time try and pay attention to the deadline |
| 21:12.06 | d34th4ck3r | puff: you can still contribute and learn. |
| 21:12.06 | sharvey | might be worth working on the project idea anyway, just not for pay |
| 21:12.20 | sharvey | gives you a leg up for next year |
| 21:12.47 | puff | sharvey: Nope MatzeWilkes: Yup ^_^'' |
| 21:13.34 | puff | sharvey: Still work on it? Less motivation to be honest. (Not for the money, but having a supervisor / mentor helps) |
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| 21:13.55 | |Kev| | You sure you couldn't get one anyway? |
| 21:14.04 | sharvey | puff: you could still get a supervisor/mentor |
| 21:14.15 | puff | From the org list? Could do. |
| 21:14.29 | sharvey | the less motivation is probably a thing, but like, if you have nothing to do in the summer anyway |
| 21:14.42 | d34th4ck3r | puff: you could share the idea in the mailing list and ask for mentor. |
| 21:15.05 | jps | alinrus: are there really legal implications for sending a patch upstream? I am not doubting you because I've heard it, but I know plenty of people who work in proprietary shops who send patches they come up with from their personal accounts. Are they putting anyone at actual risk, or is it all theoretical? |
| 21:15.26 | MatzeWilkes | jps: …… what? |
| 21:15.32 | sharvey | jps: might depend on how much of it contains IP from the company? |
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| 21:15.37 | |Kev| | jps: Depends what their contract says about ownership of their work. |
| 21:15.39 | sharvey | by IP I mean intellectual property |
| 21:15.45 | v1z_ | will toast to free software and the true google spirit this weekend |
| 21:15.47 | Catfish_Man | jps: I try to never underestimate how much an IP lawyer can twist things to suit their purpose |
| 21:15.47 | v1z_ | see ya |
| 21:15.51 | sharvey | versus actual dev creativity |
| 21:15.58 | alinrus | jps: I've seen contracts that don't allow you to publish code even in your spare time |
| 21:16.00 | sharvey | or ingenuity |
| 21:16.20 | alinrus | you'd be surprised what happens in eastern europe |
| 21:16.31 | agliodbs | alinrus: FWIW, you can't restrict that in California |
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| 21:17.00 | jps | hm. Well, I've seen 65 mile per hour speed limit signs all over the place. I'm wondering if anyone knows (of) anyone who ever got in trouble for submitting a patch made on company time |
| 21:17.03 | alinrus | well I might apply for a visa once again :)) |
| 21:17.31 | agliodbs | jps: I'm sure it's happened |
| 21:17.38 | agliodbs | jps: fines and jail time even |
| 21:18.00 | alinrus | jps: people have been detered to do so, they were explicitly told so with lawyers and stuff |
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| 21:18.03 | alinrus | true story |
| 21:18.05 | agliodbs | although simple dismissal plus a cease & desist to the project is more ligkely |
| 21:18.05 | jps | by "sure" do you mean you know of examples or not? Rumors of examples, even? |
| 21:18.05 | alinrus | :) |
| 21:18.09 | d34th4ck3r | does anyone know any organization working on Artificial Intelligence or natural language processing or Information retrival and extraction ?? |
| 21:18.35 | agliodbs | jps: no, but in general such things would not be public. HR stuff is strictly confidential here |
| 21:18.44 | jps | d34th4ck3r: yeah, have you tried to search the orgs list keywords? |
| 21:18.52 | v1z_ | d34th4ck3r: scilab, octave |
| 21:18.56 | v1z_ | I mean R |
| 21:20.45 | d34th4ck3r | scilab and octave basically works for numerical analysis. |
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| 21:22.26 | jps | well, it's fine to be paranoid, but as a practical matter, HR isn't going to be checking CONTRIBUTORS files. http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/253093/microsoft_counted_as_key_linux_contributor_for_now_anyway.html -- there are similar examples in MySQL which is full of contributors affiliated with Oracle, IBM, Microsoft, etc |
| 21:23.29 | puff | Arg... Rage. There goes my plans for the summer. Was going to apply with metalinker for a magnet link related topic... Oh well. |
| 21:23.31 | puff | tea |
| 21:23.39 | alinrus | well microsoft, IBM, oracle are probably better workplaces than programming farms doing offshore projects for them in eastern europe and india |
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| 21:30.02 | downey | !tea |
| 21:30.02 | gsocbot | downey: "tea" is Hot! |
| 21:30.36 | agliodbs | jps: actually, Microsoft is very good about their staff contributing to OSS projects |
| 21:30.46 | agliodbs | jps: PostgreSQL has some contributions from Microsoft |
| 21:31.13 | agliodbs | and, for that matter, IBM |
| 21:31.16 | agliodbs | but not Oracle |
| 21:31.33 | agliodbs | but those staff all had explicit permission to contribute from their employers |
| 21:31.40 | gevaerts | agliodbs: maybe they use an in-house database system? |
| 21:32.00 | sharvey | d34th4ck3r: using AI or IR or NLP? or creating it? |
| 21:32.02 | agliodbs | gevaerts: Oracle? No, they do everything with spreadsheets. It's horrible. |
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| 21:32.20 | alinrus | xmls :) |
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| 21:33.10 | gevaerts | agliodbs: some people can't see reason :) |
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| 21:35.00 | agliodbs | it's funny, the companies who are terrible about employee OSS contributions are *not* the companies you'd expect |
| 21:35.23 | agliodbs | unfortunately, I can't name names because of confidentiality agreements :-( |
| 21:36.24 | agliodbs | anyone from Google here? I have an org admin question regarding the propriety of something |
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| 21:37.13 | agliodbs | \a |
| 21:37.58 | d34th4ck3r | sharvey: using. |
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| 21:50.13 | jps | what is Google's opinion of mentors who rank projects but are unwilling to mentor any proposals? |
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| 21:51.22 | gevaerts | jps: I'd say that that's a purely internal organisation thing |
| 21:51.33 | |Kev| | jps: I don't know about Google's, but that sounds to me entirely like an internal org matter. |
| 21:51.50 | |Kev| | The org admin gets to choose both who is a mentor in Melange and who gets to mentor projects. |
| 21:52.45 | |Kev| | We deliberately have mentors in the system who don't mentor projects, FWIW, because we have the XSF's Board of Directors and XMPP Council vote. |
| 21:53.49 | agliodbs | jps: our big issue is getting people to vote at *all* |
| 21:54.11 | agliodbs | so I wouldn't bounce anyone for not mentoring |
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| 21:55.38 | chx | if i set a proposal to ignore will that be visible to the mentors? or that's just me? i would like to weed out a few. |
| 21:55.39 | ojwb | jps: having a more impartial view can be useful |
| 21:55.54 | ojwb | chx: visible to mentors and the student |
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| 21:58.03 | ojwb | hmm, not wrapping the proposal title is maybe better, if the table would use the full window width |
| 21:58.09 | chx | ok and how do i see later them? jus tin case |
| 21:58.35 | ojwb | chx: there's an obvious banner at the top of ignored or withdrawn proposals |
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| 21:58.43 | ojwb | oh, in the list? |
| 21:58.53 | chx | yes |
| 21:58.53 | ojwb | select "all" not just "valid" |
| 21:59.03 | chx | ah ha |
| 21:59.05 | chx | thx |
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| 22:00.06 | chx | i will aska lot of stupid questions, can i invite someone to be a mentor? |
| 22:00.50 | |Kev| | Once they're already in Melange, yes. |
| 22:01.13 | chx | And then how :) |
| 22:01.24 | |Kev| | Click the Invite Mentor button somewhere... |
| 22:01.40 | chx | :) |
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| 22:01.43 | chx | Good |
| 22:01.45 | |Kev| | e.g. on http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/google/gsoc2012/xsf I have Invite admin, Invite mentor |
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| 22:02.36 | chx | i have no idea how do i get to tha tpage ... but yes. |
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| 22:02.37 | chx | thanks |
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| 22:04.45 | chx | next, who can see the value of 'accept proposal' ? |
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| 22:14.47 | jps | chx: if memory serves, should_accept might not be available until the end of next week |
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| 22:23.07 | chx | jps: it is totally available and i wonder whether students see it |
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| 22:23.34 | jps | I mean, I'm not sure when admins can see it |
| 22:23.42 | jps | I don't know whether students can see it |
| 22:23.49 | jps | ...oops... |
| 22:23.58 | jps | I mean, I don't know when admins are able to CHANGE it |
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| 22:24.32 | agliodbs | jps: now, apparently |
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| 22:28.36 | asteig | So...like..this is boring. Do I just hit refresh on my proposals for the next couple weeks until decisions are finalized? |
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| 22:29.31 | |Kev| | No. You set Melange to mail you on comments, and then you go back to interacting with your org, keep on submitting patches, whatever. |
| 22:30.10 | asteig | Oh, alright. Thanks. That's less boring at least. :D |
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| 22:30.50 | |Kev| | ~In every job that must be done there is an element of fun... |
| 22:30.50 | ibot | that's too long, |Kev| |
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| 22:31.30 | gevaerts | |Kev|: is that true? That can be very useful! |
| 22:31.43 | |Kev| | If Mary Poppins said it, it must be true. |
| 22:32.16 | gevaerts | It follows that any job that isn't *any* fun isn't actually needed |
| 22:32.50 | Catfish_Man | gevaerts: wooo never doing an integration again! |
| 22:32.53 | |Kev| | I find no flaw in your logic. |
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| 22:33.55 | gevaerts | is always better at logic after a gin and tonic |
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| 22:34.19 | Catfish_Man | that's because "logic" and "gin and tonic" both contain 'g', 'i', 'o', and 'c' |
| 22:34.47 | gevaerts | By the way, what's the correct plural of "gin and tonic"? |
| 22:34.56 | budili | proposals now not more editable? |
| 22:35.01 | |Kev| | gins and tonic, I would assume. |
| 22:35.03 | |Kev| | budili: Correct. |
| 22:35.09 | |Kev| | Not since the deadline. |
| 22:35.14 | budili | okay |
| 22:35.35 | budili | i thought its possible :D |
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| 22:36.08 | downey | sttaylor: Nice GSoC Games reference. :) |
| 22:36.41 | sttaylor | thanks that was actually Cat's idea and I good one I thought. : ) |
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| 22:36.51 | MatzeWilkes | gevaerts: I didn't think there was a singular of G&T |
| 22:36.52 | downey | sttaylor: I actually said that to someone earlier today, too :) |
| 22:36.56 | MatzeWilkes | at least I've never seen just one |
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| 22:37.22 | downey | Happy GSoC and may the odds be ever in your favor! |
| 22:37.59 | asteig | lulz downey |
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| 22:38.28 | gevaerts | MatzeWilkes: you have to start with one |
| 22:40.10 | downey | allman & sttaylor: http://youtu.be/vrUkpn3evx0 |
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| 22:42.48 | KL-7 | hey guys |
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| 22:43.32 | KL-7 | what are the good things to do during these two weeks? hacking smth from your proposal? investigating the subject? getting some sleep? =) |
| 22:44.27 | KL-7 | would appreciate some advice from experienced GSoC students |
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| 22:44.48 | natsuc | this'll be my first year |
| 22:44.54 | downey | KL-7: I'm not a student but be sure to be ready to quickly respond to any questions your potential mentors might have. |
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| 22:45.14 | natsuc | oh that too downey |
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| 22:46.04 | X-tonic | when will the slots be announced per org? |
| 22:46.09 | sttaylor | downey: nice, thanks. As a former Austinite I can appreciate the video |
| 22:46.13 | X-tonic | and will they be made public? |
| 22:46.17 | downey | sttaylor: :) |
| 22:46.28 | downey | !timeline | X-tonic |
| 22:46.28 | gsocbot | X-tonic: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2012 |
| 22:46.29 | KL-7 | downey, that's for sure, thanks. What about smth I can undertake from my side? |
| 22:46.39 | sttaylor | X-tonic: all slots will be announced April 23rd at 19:00 UTC on the GSoC site |
| 22:46.53 | X-tonic | no, what i meant is how many slots each org gets |
| 22:47.18 | X-tonic | in the quantitative sense |
| 22:47.23 | downey | KL-7: Personally I'd like to see students in our IRC channel, perhaps working on some patches, etc. If you stay involved during this time you're likely to stand out compared to other students who are not involved in the project. |
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| 22:47.42 | downey | KL-7: It depends what opportunities each organization has available. |
| 22:49.19 | allman | Downey: LOL! :) |
| 22:49.28 | downey | youtube++ |
| 22:49.51 | downey | X-tonic|sleep: That's when. |
| 22:50.06 | X-tonic|sleep | :D |
| 22:50.25 | downey | !slots | X-tonic|sleep |
| 22:50.25 | gsocbot | X-tonic|sleep: "slots" is (#1) Slot allocation is done manually by Chris DiBona and Carol Smith, be a good org, play nice on the mentor list and #gsoc, ask for a non-crazy-high number of slots, and you'll probably get what you ask. Note that non-crazy-high for new orgs is around 1 or 2., or (#2) http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/NotesonStudentAllocations |
| 22:51.00 | tomprince | There will be prelimenary numbers before that, but they aren't final, and aren't to be made public until then. |
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| 22:51.19 | KL-7 | downey, the project I applied for was open-sourced a couple of weeks ago and there is not much activity around it yet. Though, with all the code at github I can start hacking right away. But I'm afraid of finishing most of the proposed things during these two weeks =) |
| 22:51.29 | X-tonic|sleep | but then what if a new org just got 44 applications? will that make a difference @ downey |
| 22:52.00 | downey | X-tonic|sleep: I doubt it will make a difference. But that choice is up to Google. |
| 22:52.03 | thiago | X-tonic|sleep: then they should ask for 3, 4 slots |
| 22:54.55 | jps | students should not be penalized for finishing early, but if they finish very early it's a good idea to strongly encourage them to do something else |
| 22:55.12 | jps | !early |
| 22:55.27 | downey | It's nice to have a plan for what you might do in case you finish early. Some "bonus points". |
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| 23:08.08 | asmeurer_ | can non-admin mentors ignore proposals? |
| 23:08.49 | agliodbs | I don't think so, no |
| 23:11.14 | asmeurer_ | also, can they enable modifications? |
| 23:12.26 | agliodbs | yes |
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