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| 00:15.30 | hired777 | is there anybody from minix? |
| 00:15.39 | meflin | !anyone |
| 00:15.39 | gsocbot | meflin: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. Try searching for the org's contact info or even just try a /join #<mentoring org here> |
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| 00:23.18 | isaacbw | hehe |
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| 00:54.05 | brlcad | so I know this has changed from year to year - are students able to make edits their proposals after the deadline in response to mentor comments, or only comment in reply? (within melange, obviously) |
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| 00:58.49 | Lennie | brlcad, comments can always be made however a mentor or org admin can allow the student to edit the proposal on a per-proposal basis |
| 00:58.58 | Lennie | just flip the switch on the left hand side :) |
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| 03:36.54 | olly | question mostly for org admins, what does "extra columns" add extra columns to? |
| 03:37.09 | olly | it doesn't seem to be the student applications table |
| 03:37.15 | olly | which I'd hoped |
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| 04:12.47 | *** topic/#gsoc is http://www.google-melange.com Google Summer of Code 2012 has started! Accepted organizations have been announced. You can check out the timeline: http://goo.gl/FQb2b and the FAQs: http://goo.gl/Lh4R8 for more information. | If your org was rejected and you want to find out why, email carols | The student submission period has ended, good luck to everyone who applied! |
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| 04:13.33 | atuljangra | hey fellas, Any idea about how many students have applied? |
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| 04:14.01 | meflin | yes based on history over 5K |
| 04:14.34 | atuljangra | And how many will get selected? |
| 04:14.47 | meflin | a bit over 1K |
| 04:15.56 | atuljangra | i just got through this blog, : http://google-opensource.blogspot.in/ |
| 04:16.03 | atuljangra | around 7K people have applied |
| 04:16.04 | meflin | as the stats sugest most apps are .. bad |
| 04:16.32 | atuljangra | Okay . |
| 04:16.33 | atuljangra | that's kinda cool. |
| 04:16.34 | meflin | spam/fakers/offtopic/hopeless |
| 04:16.45 | atuljangra | are you a mentor ? |
| 04:16.56 | meflin | for years and now admin |
| 04:17.17 | atuljangra | Okay, I guess than a student who have spent 1 month for his 2 applications have chances to get selected? |
| 04:17.21 | atuljangra | Okay :) |
| 04:17.43 | meflin | my org also interviews on irc for 1 hour for every app (dang slog ) |
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| 04:18.07 | thgil | What org are you with? |
| 04:18.11 | meflin | you might |
| 04:18.18 | meflin | thgil: me? |
| 04:18.29 | thgil | Yes |
| 04:18.35 | atuljangra | okay, hoping to get through. |
| 04:18.42 | meflin | kernel.org |
| 04:20.09 | atuljangra | Linx kernel, great :) |
| 04:21.02 | meflin | grrr |
| 04:21.10 | meflin | its mostly SA stuff |
| 04:21.21 | atuljangra | Oh, |
| 04:21.36 | atuljangra | As an admin, what work do you do? |
| 04:22.10 | meflin | personaly mostly large scale wireless networks and routing like bgp and big wide area |
| 04:22.19 | meflin | back in 10 |
| 04:22.45 | atuljangra | okay. :) |
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| 04:25.36 | thgil | !logs |
| 04:25.36 | gsocbot | thgil: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
| 04:26.07 | chx | so guys can student see the 'accept' thing? |
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| 04:29.28 | thgil | chx: The what thing? |
| 04:29.56 | chx | thgil: Accept proposal |
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| 04:43.55 | solo | Hi, I missed the deadline today, can I am very interesting in one of the project, can I still submit my request? |
| 04:44.41 | atuljangra | solo: I am afraid, you can't. |
| 04:44.46 | meflin | contribute outside of gsoc |
| 04:45.26 | solo | I think my background fits the project well, I know gsoc last night..... |
| 04:46.11 | solo | Any way to let me in ? |
| 04:47.03 | gmcharlt | solo: not via GSoC; however, if you are really interested in the project, participating outside of the GSoC framework can still be of great benefit both to you and the project |
| 04:47.06 | thgil | solo: You missed the deadline |
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| 04:47.34 | solo | Such a pity...... |
| 04:47.55 | solo | Ok , I can still contribute my code there. |
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| 04:49.01 | atuljangra | solo: All the best :) |
| 04:49.41 | tomprince | solo: Certainly, you can still contribute. And I'd guess the org would still be willing to mentor you. |
| 04:51.48 | solo | Yes, they replied me that if Google say OK, they would accept me. |
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| 04:54.16 | Triskelios | involvement outside of GSoC has nothing to do with Google |
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| 04:56.10 | solo | Ok , I'll try it, thank you. |
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| 06:19.41 | kckkid | What is the expected number of slots per org for a new org? |
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| 06:24.55 | Gushings | For new, I've heard 1-2. |
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| 06:51.34 | olly | from what I gathered last year, the standard was 2 slots for new orgs, unless they asked for just one |
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| 06:52.29 | olly | it's to let them get the hang of things, and isn't applied indiscriminantly |
| 06:53.23 | olly | e.g. a "new" org which has participated under an umbrella org in previous years is regarded as experienced |
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| 07:16.42 | rohandalvi | Is it compulsory to do and submit some project work for getting selected for GSoC? |
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| 07:18.05 | dhaun | rohandalvi: depends on the org. if they want it, they probably made it clear on their ideas page |
| 07:18.26 | rohandalvi | what if nothing of that sort is mentioned on the ideas page? |
| 07:19.10 | dhaun | then they probably didn't require it - not all orgs do |
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| 07:30.38 | natsub | !numapps |
| 07:30.38 | gsocbot | natsub: "numapps" is 180 of 406 potential mentoring orgs were accepted in 2012. In 2011, 175 of 417 orgs were accepted; 3731 potential students submitted 5474 proposals, of which 1116 were accepted. In 2010, 151 of 367 orgs were accepted; 3464 students submitted 5539 proposals, and 1026 were accepted. |
| 07:31.41 | mjaskurzynski | gsocbot: help |
| 07:31.41 | gsocbot | mjaskurzynski: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. |
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| 07:32.17 | mjaskurzynski | gsocbot: list of commands |
| 07:32.18 | gsocbot | mjaskurzynski: Error: 'of' is not a valid plugin. |
| 07:32.28 | mjaskurzynski | gsocbot: commands |
| 07:32.32 | dhaun | !gsocbox | mjaskurzynski |
| 07:32.41 | dhaun | !gsocbot | mjaskurzynski |
| 07:32.48 | dhaun | damn |
| 07:33.30 | dhaun | !gsocbot |
| 07:33.30 | gsocbot | dhaun: "gsocbot" is http://gsoc-wiki.osuosl.org/index.php/Gsocbot |
| 07:33.44 | dhaun | !gsocbot | mjaskurzynski |
| 07:33.45 | gsocbot | mjaskurzynski: "gsocbot" is http://gsoc-wiki.osuosl.org/index.php/Gsocbot |
| 07:33.50 | dhaun | hmm ... |
| 07:33.56 | mjaskurzynski | gsocbot: thanks |
| 07:33.56 | gsocbot | mjaskurzynski: "thanks" is You're welcome! |
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| 07:34.23 | cool | !extension |
| 07:34.23 | gsocbot | cool: "extension" is extension is not available, sorry. You can work on open source outside GSoC and submit earlier next year. If you want to work on Open Source projects, you can usually use the same contact details you would have used for applying to GSoC. |
| 07:35.23 | mjaskurzynski | gsocbot: factoids search #gsoc |
| 07:35.24 | gsocbot | mjaskurzynski: (factoids search [<channel>] [--values] [--{regexp} <value>] [<glob> ...]) -- Searches the keyspace for keys matching <glob>. If --regexp is given, it associated value is taken as a regexp and matched against the keys. If --values is given, search the value space instead of the keyspace. |
| 07:36.37 | olly | !botabuse |
| 07:36.37 | gsocbot | olly: "botabuse" is (#1) If you want to play with the bot, please do so in a private /query so as not to spam the channel, or (#2) When in a query with me, use whatis #gsoc <factoid> |
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| 07:48.27 | lak_ | hello everyone |
| 07:49.21 | lak_ | does any1 know what is the criteria for evaluation for gsoc |
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| 07:51.22 | dhaun | lak_: depends on the org - they select the students, so they have their own criteria |
| 07:51.44 | lak_ | thanks |
| 07:52.33 | lak_ | this is the first time im participating in gsoc |
| 07:52.44 | Catfish_Man | including the "word" "any1" in a proposal would be generally be a poor plan though ;) |
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| 08:10.46 | lak_ | do all the mentors involve in ranking the proposals |
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| 10:12.43 | gsocbot | haseeb_: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
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| 10:38.11 | gsocbot | Gentlecat: "next" is Until Apr 20 - Mentoring organizations review and rank proposals, contacting students if necessary |
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| 10:57.14 | d34th4ck3r | what is gsocbot? human or machine? |
| 10:57.32 | d34th4ck3r | :P |
| 11:00.28 | d34th4ck3r | !gsocbot |
| 11:00.28 | gsocbot | d34th4ck3r: "gsocbot" is http://gsoc-wiki.osuosl.org/index.php/Gsocbot |
| 11:01.02 | d34th4ck3r | got my answer |
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| 11:12.11 | gsocbot | brunoais: "next" is Until Apr 20 - Mentoring organizations review and rank proposals, contacting students if necessary |
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| 13:13.59 | fxrh | !pi | jrabbit |
| 13:13.59 | gsocbot | jrabbit: "pi" is (#1) 3.14159265 (physicist's version), or (#2) 3.14 (engineer's version), or (#3) pi (mathematician's version) |
| 13:14.29 | sharvey | I thought 3 was the engineer's version |
| 13:14.42 | jrabbit | lol |
| 13:14.46 | pc_magas | MAtlab and Octave knows Best |
| 13:14.50 | pc_magas | ;) |
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| 13:17.18 | blacktooth | !botabuse |
| 13:17.19 | gsocbot | blacktooth: "botabuse" is (#1) If you want to play with the bot, please do so in a private /query so as not to spam the channel, or (#2) When in a query with me, use whatis #gsoc <factoid> |
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| 13:19.47 | chx | !next |
| 13:19.48 | gsocbot | chx: "next" is Until Apr 20 - Mentoring organizations review and rank proposals, contacting students if necessary |
| 13:19.57 | chx | that's good. |
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| 13:21.02 | chx | down to 26 unignored , accepted five, scratching head how to continue, happy we have the time to figure out the rest :) |
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| 13:49.23 | lak_ | do all the mentors take part in ranking the proposals or it is just the organizations to whom we have submitted the proposals |
| 13:50.09 | Ivanovic | only the orgs decide on the ranking |
| 13:50.13 | tomprince | Each org evalutes the proposals they recieve themselves. |
| 13:51.08 | Ivanovic | that is: all mentors/admins of the org are able to participate in the ranking, but how exactly it is done depends on the orgs |
| 13:51.25 | Ivanovic | (this is clearly different for smaller orgs than it is for really large (umbrella) organizations) |
| 13:51.32 | lak_ | has anyone here taken part in gsoc 2012 |
| 13:51.45 | sharvey | lak_: we all have...? |
| 13:51.56 | sharvey | probably? |
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| 13:52.05 | Ivanovic | or noone has, depends on when you take part... |
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| 13:52.07 | sharvey | it is the gsoc channel after all :) |
| 13:52.07 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 13:53.07 | lak_ | If you have taken part previously, could you tell me what is the overall process |
| 13:53.30 | sharvey | lak_: do you mean gsoc 2011? |
| 13:53.36 | lak_ | yup |
| 13:53.38 | sharvey | gsoc 2012 is going on right now |
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| 13:53.51 | sharvey | !timeline |
| 13:53.52 | gsocbot | sharvey: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2012 |
| 13:53.57 | sharvey | !timeline | lak_ |
| 13:53.57 | gsocbot | lak_: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2012 |
| 13:54.16 | lak_ | ya thanks |
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| 14:21.57 | d34th4ck3r | does google take part in ranking proposals? google reads proposal and selects the project? |
| 14:23.51 | sharvey | I think the organizations do |
| 14:24.24 | d34th4ck3r | so google has no role in selecting projects? |
| 14:24.44 | dhaun | no, it's all up to the orgs |
| 14:24.46 | sharvey | no, they just give the slots to to the organizations |
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| 14:24.55 | pc_magas | Crossing Fingers to be accepted |
| 14:24.57 | sharvey | they tell the orgs how many student apps the orgs are allowed to accept |
| 14:25.04 | d34th4ck3r | on what basis are slots provided? |
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| 14:25.16 | sharvey | !slots |
| 14:25.16 | gsocbot | sharvey: "slots" is (#1) Slot allocation is done manually by Chris DiBona and Carol Smith, be a good org, play nice on the mentor list and #gsoc, ask for a non-crazy-high number of slots, and you'll probably get what you ask. Note that non-crazy-high for new orgs is around 1 or 2., or (#2) http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/NotesonStudentAllocations |
| 14:25.22 | sharvey | !slots | d34th4ck3r |
| 14:25.22 | gsocbot | d34th4ck3r: "slots" is (#1) Slot allocation is done manually by Chris DiBona and Carol Smith, be a good org, play nice on the mentor list and #gsoc, ask for a non-crazy-high number of slots, and you'll probably get what you ask. Note that non-crazy-high for new orgs is around 1 or 2., or (#2) http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/NotesonStudentAllocations |
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| 14:28.17 | d34th4ck3r | so, when are slots decided ? before or after organization ranks proposal? |
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| 14:29.21 | sharvey | it's never set in stone; did you read the link? |
| 14:29.21 | d34th4ck3r | got my answer. |
| 14:29.50 | d34th4ck3r | sharvey: yea, thanks. |
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| 15:38.41 | hsr | so how many applications Google? |
| 15:38.42 | hsr | :p |
| 15:39.00 | budili | about 6,8k |
| 15:39.18 | budili | 4,2k students |
| 15:39.47 | hsr | -spam = ? |
| 15:39.53 | sharvey | we do not know yet |
| 15:39.56 | sharvey | it's only been one day |
| 15:40.10 | sharvey | the orgs have to filter through the applications |
| 15:40.17 | budili | i think thats great ! |
| 15:40.25 | budili | so much students |
| 15:40.39 | hsr | hmm |
| 15:40.45 | sharvey | on average, an org has 38 apps |
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| 15:40.57 | sharvey | some of them are not working today since it's easter weekend |
| 15:40.58 | hsr | :O |
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| 15:41.15 | budili | yes, thats right |
| 15:41.16 | sharvey | budili: I agree |
| 15:41.25 | flaushy | sharvey: where do you take that numbers from? |
| 15:41.42 | flaushy | ah budili it was :) |
| 15:41.48 | sharvey | flaushy: I believe there are 180 apps, and this is going off of budili's 6.8k apps |
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| 15:42.06 | sharvey | also, there's a post somewhere made by google about how many apps, students there are |
| 15:42.07 | budili | the numbers come from google |
| 15:42.09 | flaushy | sharvey: yeah, i ment the number of apps ^^ |
| 15:42.16 | flaushy | cool |
| 15:42.21 | budili | https://plus.google.com/u/0/102168248469649733567/posts |
| 15:42.26 | flaushy | thanks! |
| 15:42.35 | sanity | the calendar suggests that we (mentors) can rank proposals now, but I don't see any option to do this on the website - am I missing something? |
| 15:44.53 | allman | Hi - log into Melange at http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/dashboard/google/gsoc2012, go to your dashboard, |
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| 15:45.38 | lak_ | is there anyone who has participated in the previous gsoc |
| 15:45.41 | allman | look at "Proposals Submitted to my Org". You score them there. |
| 15:46.23 | allman | Students can not see the scores - only the mentors can see the scores. |
| 15:46.24 | sharvey | lak_: there are probably a few people, why? |
| 15:46.45 | allman | sanity: see instructions above. |
| 15:47.17 | lak_ | I just want to know if getting the proposal is a tough task |
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| 15:47.31 | |Kev| | lak_: Getting accepted, you mean? |
| 15:47.45 | lak_ | yup |
| 15:48.05 | |Kev| | It requires quite a lot of work from the students, yes. |
| 15:48.06 | sharvey | define: getting the proposal accepted? |
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| 16:03.45 | sanity | allman: which instructions are you referring to? |
| 16:04.36 | sanity | allman: I don't see anywhere to score on the "proposals submitted to my org" page |
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| 16:05.03 | gevaerts | sanity: IIRC scoring is optional and can be disabled by the org admin |
| 16:05.17 | sanity | gevaerts: ah, i'll email him |
| 16:05.47 | sanity | gevaerts: if not through scoring, how are the proposals chosen? |
| 16:06.13 | |Kev| | Even with scoring, it's not scoring that selects the proposals - it's a manual step by the admin. |
| 16:06.14 | gevaerts | sanity: proposals are chosen by the admin, whether or not scoring is used |
| 16:06.38 | sanity | gevaerts: ah, got it |
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| 16:07.04 | sanity | gevaerts: how is it decided how many students an org can have? |
| 16:07.12 | |Kev| | !slots | sanity |
| 16:07.12 | gsocbot | sanity: "slots" is (#1) Slot allocation is done manually by Chris DiBona and Carol Smith, be a good org, play nice on the mentor list and #gsoc, ask for a non-crazy-high number of slots, and you'll probably get what you ask. Note that non-crazy-high for new orgs is around 1 or 2., or (#2) http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/NotesonStudentAllocations |
| 16:07.57 | sanity | |Kev|, ah, thank you |
| 16:08.02 | gevaerts | Basically some people at google get together over coffee and roll dice^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hdecide |
| 16:08.25 | |Kev| | d6 |
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| 16:09.26 | gevaerts | I *believe* they start with a list based on objective criteria such as number of proposals and then adjust manually based on vaguer criteria |
| 16:11.18 | sanity | when do we discover how many slots we've been allocated? |
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| 16:14.07 | thiago | sanity: when carol sends the announcement email |
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| 16:15.14 | gevaerts | The org admins will have to provide their requested number of slots fairly soon I expect. I think initial slot allocations will be done a few days after that, and then those will be adjusted a few times throughout the selection period |
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| 16:53.35 | abhiin1947 | can my organisation change the public settings of my proposal? |
| 16:53.57 | abhiin1947 | i mean the organisation that i have applied to |
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| 16:55.19 | mmadia | as an org admin for Haiku, i do not see that option abhiin1947. |
| 16:56.09 | |Kev| | abhiin1947: No, only you can make your proposal public. |
| 16:57.07 | abhiin1947 | oh..i guess i must have changed it by accident then..a few of my friends werent able to view it |
| 16:57.38 | abhiin1947 | thanks :) |
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| 17:26.19 | coderhs | !next |
| 17:26.20 | gsocbot | coderhs: "next" is Until Apr 20 - Mentoring organizations review and rank proposals, contacting students if necessary |
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| 17:29.40 | rushabhtechie55 | Hi, which room would be correct to discuss about OpenIntents' projects? |
| 17:29.47 | rushabhtechie55 | proposals* |
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| 17:30.36 | thiago | rushabhtechie55: OpenIntents' channel |
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| 17:31.43 | JustinS | sanity check for me: as an org admin, where do I approve someone's request to mentor? I can't find it |
| 17:31.57 | mmadia | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/dashboard/google/gsoc2012#requests |
| 17:32.23 | JustinS | ok, it just plain hasn't shown up yet |
| 17:33.24 | JustinS | mmadia: thank you |
| 17:33.33 | mmadia | you're welcome. |
| 17:34.06 | rushabhtechie55 | Which room for OpenIntents org? |
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| 17:34.50 | |Kev| | rushabhtechie55: Have a look on their ideas page. You should be able to find it either there, or following links from there, if they have one. |
| 17:35.15 | rushabhtechie55 | okay.. cool thanks :) |
| 17:35.31 | mmadia | and if their org profile page doesn't list an IRC channel, try using one of the other means that they do list. |
| 17:35.48 | rushabhtechie55 | ok thanks :) |
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| 18:26.33 | pratyush | !numapps |
| 18:26.34 | gsocbot | pratyush: "numapps" is 180 of 406 potential mentoring orgs were accepted in 2012. In 2011, 175 of 417 orgs were accepted; 3731 potential students submitted 5474 proposals, of which 1116 were accepted. In 2010, 151 of 367 orgs were accepted; 3464 students submitted 5539 proposals, and 1026 were accepted. |
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| 18:46.12 | hsr | d34th4ck3r, 42 |
| 18:47.38 | alinrus | :)) |
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| 18:51.05 | d34th4ck3r | :D |
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| 18:59.45 | NhanTDN | What is 42? |
| 19:00.07 | dodgerblue | NhanTDN: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/42_%28number%29 |
| 19:00.15 | gevaerts | It's the answer to the ultimate question about life, the universe, and everything |
| 19:00.26 | gevaerts | Which is *not* the same thing as the meaning of life... |
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| 19:02.15 | NhanTDN | Ah I remember it :) |
| 19:02.33 | zatix | I thought that was my thesis |
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| 19:08.52 | davidL | is there a deadline for adding new mentors? |
| 19:09.52 | sharvey | zatix: I wish I could write a thesis on 42 |
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| 19:13.14 | zatix | security is not that bad |
| 19:13.36 | sharvey | zatix: ? |
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| 19:22.49 | chx | hi |
| 19:23.02 | sharvey | hi |
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| 19:24.07 | gsocbot | ChrisOelmueller: "next" is Until Apr 20 - Mentoring organizations review and rank proposals, contacting students if necessary |
| 19:24.16 | ChrisOelmueller | davidL: yes, ^april 20 (where all proposals must have one of their mentors assigned) |
| 19:24.38 | davidL | ChrisOelmueller: thanks |
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| 19:48.13 | gsocbot | chx: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2012 |
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| 20:06.26 | scottrigby | waves to chx re Drupal GSoC proposals |
| 20:06.40 | chx | hi there |
| 20:06.45 | scottrigby | :) |
| 20:07.02 | scottrigby | are there Drupal-related student proposals anywhere besides in the g.d.o group? |
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| 20:08.26 | scottrigby | was hoping some students might lean toward the Drupal LMS / Edu ideas |
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| 20:08.59 | scottrigby | we have space for mentoring proposals along those lines |
| 20:10.15 | alinrus | scottrigby: heh a friend of mine wrote a lms for wordpress 2 gsocs |
| 20:10.50 | alinrus | http://coursewa.re/ |
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| 20:11.35 | scottrigby | alinrus: interesting. Know of anyone interested in working with courses in Drupal? |
| 20:12.20 | alinrus | not quite, he was looking for a gsoc project this year, but I guess he didn't see the drupal idea as he might have applied |
| 20:12.49 | hsr | hehe the Moodle people wouldn't want to hear Drupal leaning on to the Edu area |
| 20:12.50 | scottrigby | there's no grace period for applications at this point i imagine? |
| 20:13.06 | alinrus | no |
| 20:13.14 | scottrigby | hsr: leaning? lol |
| 20:13.37 | alinrus | there are a lot of people that don't like the ui of moodle |
| 20:13.51 | alinrus | :P |
| 20:14.12 | hsr | tbh, drupal is *very* hard for begginers to set up |
| 20:14.33 | scottrigby | yep. we maintain http://drupal.org/project/course - which is an API, with included modules (including Moodle object integration). Though there's still a lot of integration opportunities for both internal and 3rd party learning applications. And the Druapl 7 port needs a lot of refactoring for entities etc |
| 20:14.56 | hsr | If I were a student, I'd propose something like an interactive set up script |
| 20:15.21 | scottrigby | hsr: i think that's more accurate historically than it has been since D7 |
| 20:15.47 | hsr | hmm, haven't checked out Drupal for a while |
| 20:15.48 | scottrigby | yep - in Drupal terms that would be a fully packaged install profile (at this point, probably also using Apps) |
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| 20:16.44 | scottrigby | hsr: i highly recommend seeing the updates. A *ton* of work went into UX and many other areas of core to make Drupal 7 an amazing leap forward. Now a lot of work is going into Drupal 8 |
| 20:17.23 | hsr | tbh, I really am not the person you should talk to :p |
| 20:17.55 | hsr | and your timing seems a bit late too :( |
| 20:18.11 | scottrigby | oh yeah. I'm just always in verbose mode. I have no specific intentions here :) |
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| 20:47.18 | Bidik | anynone can help me with my proposal marked as ignored although the information was done acording to the templlate my mentoring organisation provided ... ? |
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| 20:49.05 | allman | Bidik: please contact the org directly |
| 20:49.35 | Bidik | hmm but the mail was send from the google open source programs team ... |
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| 20:51.04 | allman | Bidik: Give me a few minutes to look into it for you. |
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| 20:51.31 | |Kev| | allman: Do take a break some time! |
| 20:51.43 | allman | Also, please remember that we accept *very few* applicants because of a lack of mentors. |
| 20:52.22 | allman | Kev: thanks :) - I went to the grocery store and made lunch with my husband - I'm fine. |
| 20:52.27 | Bidik | allman, ok thanks ... since we had a realy good discusion with the mentor and we thought we can fix the same project iidea after it was abandoned in GSOC2011 |
| 20:52.34 | MatzeWilkes | allman! |Kev|! |
| 20:52.44 | |Kev| | MatzeWilkes: Evening. |
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| 20:56.05 | allman | Bidik: "we"? |
| 20:56.30 | allman | MatzeWilkes: Evening! |
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| 20:56.44 | Bidik | allman, me and my mentor anarcat ... |
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| 20:57.42 | allman | ah! Thanks. :) I'm working on an issue for the MIT org right now. Back in a while. |
| 20:57.48 | Bidik | allman, sorry about the wrong choise of words, tired and preparing a programing contest tomorow and it's 23.00 with this email making me panic ... |
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| 20:59.21 | allman | Bidik: :( Go get some sleep and send email to the list in the morning or sometime tomorrow. You'll make yourself ill. |
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| 21:01.09 | Bidik | allman, on what list to send email ... not to worry still plenty of energy when drupal is involved ... btw still plan to install a new develompent area for aegir tonight ... |
| 21:01.12 | tomprince | Bidik: I know that the automatic notifications I get have an OPSO signature. |
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| 21:02.27 | MatzeWilkes | Bidik: Indeed. No email you get from anyone right now actually has the authority to say yes or no to your proposal, they shouldn't even be being sent out, so try not to worry and send an email asking for clarification |
| 21:02.35 | allman | Bidik: send it to me at allman@google.com |
| 21:03.21 | Bidik | tomprince, since it was a Drupal proposal i thjought it whouls be from the drupal team that's why i paniced ... and also i get this strange info info window that my proposal is in a IGNORED state so i cannot modify or withdraw it .... |
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| 21:03.25 | MatzeWilkes | hehe, cdibona is trying his hand at advanced trolling, if I'm not too much mistaken. Apply in hand-crafted LaTeX indeed |
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| 21:03.56 | MatzeWilkes | Bidik: Firstly: You wouldn't be able to modify it anyway |
| 21:04.02 | tomprince | Bidik: Contact drupal about that. |
| 21:04.14 | Bidik | allman, any special things i should mention or clarify ... |
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| 21:04.36 | MatzeWilkes | Bidik: Secondly: The ignored state is a tool for the mentoring org if they've got a large amount of proposals and they need help with the UI, it should never be exposed to students, so that's a bug |
| 21:04.40 | tomprince | The notification is from melange (and says OPSO), but isn't sent by them. |
| 21:04.47 | Bidik | MatzeWilkes, yes i know but the info window is scary this early in the process ... |
| 21:04.54 | MatzeWilkes | Bidik: Thirdly: It doesn't mean no. It could be as little as someone clicking the wrong button |
| 21:04.55 | allman | just recap your question here. Please include your Melange link ID. |
| 21:04.59 | MatzeWilkes | or thinking it just hid it for them, etc |
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| 21:05.55 | MatzeWilkes | Bidik: They likely have dozens of mentors that only want to see the proposals relevant to them, for example. Don't sweat it, and don't read anything into it. |
| 21:06.04 | tomprince | I know I've used it for applications that are spam, or nothing more than copying our template (with things like "include this info" still there). |
| 21:08.21 | |Kev| | I've not used it at all this year. |
| 21:08.38 | |Kev| | I decided to just mark stuff as 1star and let the other mentors ignore anything 1star as spam. |
| 21:09.09 | |Kev| | I'm not entirely sure about it being a good idea letting students see when they're ignored, it feels slightly wrong. |
| 21:09.19 | MatzeWilkes | |Kev|: It's utterly wrong, must be a bug |
| 21:09.27 | MatzeWilkes | I'm sure we had this years ago and it got fixed |
| 21:09.31 | allman | [Kev] - Extremely good idea! |
| 21:09.52 | MatzeWilkes | |Kev|: "ignore" means no notification in every UI I've ever seen |
| 21:10.12 | MatzeWilkes | I don't know enough about the workflows around proposals to fix it myself though |
| 21:11.19 | allman | Instead of marking applications you don't want to consider as "Ignore" you should mark the wants you do want to consider as "Accept" using the toggle switch on the application window i Melange. It's a bit confusing, but in this context "Accept" means "Accept for consideration" |
| 21:11.28 | tomprince | The help text explicitly states that it is visible to students. |
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| 21:11.48 | MatzeWilkes | tomprince: Really? Hm. Weird. |
| 21:11.57 | |Kev| | Yes, that's why I don't use it. |
| 21:12.09 | MatzeWilkes | I don't have my sticky little fingers in the mentor UI this year |
| 21:12.25 | MatzeWilkes | damn Plone and its confusing publication system keeping our ideas list private ;) |
| 21:12.47 | Bidik | allman, i have sent you the email ... |
| 21:13.04 | Bidik | to all others you areright ... seeing my proposal IGNORED realy looks disturbing ... |
| 21:13.17 | |Kev| | MatzeWilkes: I'm trying ever so hard not to suggest that improving that UI would make a good GSoC project...but I think I'm going to fail. |
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| 21:13.53 | MatzeWilkes | |Kev|: You should have seen it before EchoDitto |
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| 21:16.51 | tomprince | > "Choosing Yes will mark this proposal as ignored. The student will be be able to see that this proposal is ignored when he/she visits this page. The proposal is ignored when Yes is displayed in bright orange." |
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| 21:23.08 | MatzeWilkes | urgh, just realised that today wasn't a zombiejesus day, the banks would have been open. |
| 21:23.32 | demosdemon | everything shuts down in south US. |
| 21:23.35 | demosdemon | since yesterday |
| 21:24.39 | Bidik | allman, just got another comnet .... not that harsh but sill not sure if it's from someone from Drupal or not ... |
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| 21:25.11 | sttaylor | Hi allman is working on another situation right now so I can help |
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| 21:25.18 | Bidik | in general from the student side thinks lok little not well organised |
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| 21:26.06 | Bidik | sttaylor, thanks for the offer but allready sent her a email ... and wanted just to inform her on the new info i got ... |
| 21:26.57 | Bidik | i do not think it's eficient if everyone gets involved about my issue when probably allman can look into it latter ... |
| 21:27.26 | |Kev| | sttaylor: Grief, you're working today as well? :/ |
| 21:27.31 | tomprince | Bidik: Any comments that show up on your proposal are from mentors registered with drupal. |
| 21:28.14 | allman | [Kev]: it's an important time for GSOC - lots of questions :) |
| 21:28.18 | MatzeWilkes | |Kev|: FTR, I've been working too. Not now though. Now it's time to go hunt down some gnocci |
| 21:28.23 | Bidik | but still from the activity i see here i get a completely diferent picture as from the comments i got in my proposal ... loks like another idea for a proposal next year ... |
| 21:28.48 | |Kev| | MatzeWilkes: I'm "working", but I'm not *working*. Trying to fix my apt repo for Swift. Or fix the build scripts for generating the debs, rather. |
| 21:28.55 | allman | mmmm - gnocci! |
| 21:29.00 | |Kev| | allman: It is, but still. Rest is good. |
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| 21:29.09 | allman | indeed :) |
| 21:29.29 | Bidik | gnocci ? some food? |
| 21:29.34 | MatzeWilkes | allman: I'll stuff some in through the DSL line for you |
| 21:29.45 | allman | Yum! |
| 21:30.01 | allman | Pasta :) |
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| 21:31.03 | Bidik | no, anything but pasta ... MatzeWilkes please send me a recipe :D |
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| 21:32.22 | Bidik | ahh now i have another issue but not GSOC related ... where to find gnocci in 23.30 here in macedonia ... |
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| 21:35.43 | |Kev| | You know, testing debian packaging when a packaging run takes 70 minutes isn't much fun. If this was Real Work, I could xkcd303, but when it's my own time... |
| 21:36.11 | |Kev| | I really need to get this sbwriel fixed. |
| 21:36.45 | Bidik | |Kev|, 70 minutes .... thats long ... i thought my build time of 25 is too much but yours looks like eternity :D |
| 21:37.10 | |Kev| | Bidik: Two distros, two archs, so that's about 18 minutes each build. |
| 21:37.26 | |Kev| | (And it's a conflict between the different builds that's causing me problems, so I can't just do one) |
| 21:40.32 | Bidik | well off to have a quick brake have some gnocci as MatzeWilkes sugested and then it's back into sitting up my new aegir development lab ... thanks people for the nice and fast support and hope this gets sorted out ... |
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| 22:07.44 | koda | so, how did the last minute swarm go? |
| 22:07.55 | koda | :) |
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| 22:09.13 | cool | !edit! |
| 22:09.20 | cool | !edit |
| 22:09.20 | gsocbot | cool: "edit" is Students can edit proposals up until the application deadline. Mentors can allow students to edit proposals on a case-by-case basis after the deadline. Note that comments on proposals can _not_ be edited after submitting. |
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| 23:10.20 | konr | lalala |
| 23:10.23 | konr | no comments yet :( |
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| 23:17.07 | thiago | on what? |
| 23:18.06 | ajed | I haven't had any comments either, not sure if that's good... my mentor thinks it's a good proposal |
| 23:18.45 | sumanah | it's not a particular sign either way, I believe |
| 23:18.47 | sumanah | I'm an org admin |
| 23:19.05 | sumanah | some good proposals already had all the comments and feedback during late March and early April |
| 23:19.38 | sumanah | also, some mentors haven't gotten their "please evaluate and comment on the proposals" orders yet -- Monday more will happen. |
| 23:20.07 | ajed | cool |
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| 23:20.47 | ajed | it'd help more if my org were IRCers... it's a bit difficult to figure out what they're thinking (and what they want) purely by email |
| 23:21.27 | sumanah | indeed |
| 23:22.21 | sumanah | what's the org? |
| 23:22.26 | sumanah | We at MediaWiki are big on IRC. |
| 23:22.33 | ajed | jpf |
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| 23:22.45 | sumanah | looks up "JPF" |
| 23:22.56 | sumanah | Java Plugin Framework? |
| 23:23.03 | sumanah | Java Pathfinder? |
| 23:23.05 | ajed | nope, the java pathfinder |
| 23:23.07 | ajed | yeah |
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| 23:25.32 | ajed | wow, you guys have a lot of ideas for projects |
| 23:25.49 | sumanah | Thanks! |
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| 23:28.28 | ajed | i particularly like how much detail you have put into the project ideas - that's really helpful, perhaps next year i'll learn php ;) |
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| 23:37.45 | sumanah | ajed: :-) |
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| 23:44.55 | mmadia | As a org admin/mentor looking at the submitted proposals, how do i filter out the applications that have no 'possible mentor'? |
| 23:45.34 | mmadia | using the filter with "Possible mentor link_ids" "is not null" doesn't work as expected. |
| 23:45.49 | mmadia | nor dose "does not contain" "None" |
| 23:45.55 | sumanah | mmadia: try a space? |
| 23:46.29 | Ivanovic | i'd go for ?* as regex |
| 23:46.38 | Ivanovic | since it would mean one char has to exist, more possible |
| 23:48.31 | mmadia | 'contains' " " filters out the apps with multiple possible mentors, 'contains' (or even 'begins with') "?*" doesn't work |
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| 23:49.34 | mmadia | meh.. Columns --> added a "possbile mentor link_ids" :) |
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