| 00:00.04 | Shidash | I heard that wasn't true for contract work? |
| 00:00.12 | Triskelios | GSoC isn't a grant, and even if it was, research grants are often not tax-free in the US |
| 00:00.31 | uman | in what sense is gsoc not a grant |
| 00:00.36 | ojwb | i'd recommend checking the irs (or equivalent) website, rather than rely on what you heard |
| 00:00.37 | uman | is thhat some legally defined term? |
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| 00:00.50 | Shidash | Does Google send out any instructions around this? |
| 00:00.55 | ojwb | or indeed what people tell you here |
| 00:01.02 | ojwb | they send out tax forms for their end |
| 00:01.11 | ojwb | you paying tax locally is down to you |
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| 00:01.26 | ojwb | or at least that is my understanding - i haven't taken part as a student |
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| 00:02.20 | Shidash | Issue is I need to know if this is grant, salary, contract work, etc. before I can check the appropriate section of the IRS website |
| 00:03.04 | ojwb | my understanding is contract work |
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| 00:03.27 | ojwb | if you want a more formal answer, you'd need to ask someone from google |
| 00:04.20 | Shidash | Who would I ask? |
| 00:04.42 | Lorehead | Actually, I believe Google has a policy of not giving tax advice. |
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| 00:05.04 | ojwb | it does, but this isn't tax advice, but the question of the relationship between student and google |
| 00:05.05 | Lorehead | I suggest you go to your schoolÂ’s financial aid office. |
| 00:05.07 | Catfish_Man | Lorehead: Google would be able to discuss what type of work GSoC is |
| 00:05.10 | Shidash | Is there anyone here who knows from a previous year? |
| 00:05.16 | Catfish_Man | Shidash: carols |
| 00:05.20 | ojwb | carols is probably the best person to ask |
| 00:05.30 | Shidash | Thanks |
| 00:05.34 | Lorehead | In 2008, I was considered an independent contractor, and reported my stipend as income from self-employment. |
| 00:06.04 | dfighter | "You are considered a contract developer doing work for hire for Google. Your dates of employment will be 21 May - 20 August, 2012. " |
| 00:06.12 | dfighter | http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/studentinfo#tax |
| 00:06.18 | Lorehead | Thank you. |
| 00:06.20 | dfighter | just like I said too, contract work |
| 00:06.30 | ojwb | dfighter: ah, well found |
| 00:06.30 | Shidash | Thanks! |
| 00:06.34 | Triskelios | the tax form you filled out will reflect this |
| 00:06.42 | Shidash | Didn't see that page yet, huh |
| 00:07.10 | dfighter | well so if it's considered self-employment here in Hungary too then as I said earlier I am trouble |
| 00:07.15 | dfighter | in trouble* |
| 00:07.22 | dfighter | because I will have to pay taxes NOW |
| 00:07.29 | ojwb | !learn contractor as " You are considered a contract developer doing work for hire for Google": http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/studentinfo#tax |
| 00:07.29 | gsocbot | ojwb: "contractor" is You are considered a contract developer doing work for hire for Google : http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/studentinfo#tax |
| 00:07.41 | ojwb | dfighter: presumably only of US$500 though? |
| 00:07.47 | dfighter | no clue |
| 00:07.54 | ojwb | well, that's all you might earn |
| 00:08.03 | ojwb | if you failed at the midterm |
| 00:08.09 | dfighter | I will have to contact a tax professional myself |
| 00:08.17 | dfighter | for all the nifty details |
| 00:08.32 | dfighter | altough I did read up on our tax code, that's how I even know this |
| 00:08.46 | ojwb | has found that simply asking the tax office works surprisingly well, though it probably varies by country |
| 00:09.19 | dfighter | ojwb you probably haven't been in Hungary |
| 00:09.22 | dfighter | :P |
| 00:09.25 | ojwb | they're unlikely to give you much tax avoidance advice |
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| 00:09.42 | ojwb | i've been very close to hungary, but never actually in it AFAIK |
| 00:09.46 | dfighter | we are infamous for our disfunctional government and related stuff |
| 00:09.58 | MatthewWilkes | ojwb: HMRC gave me plenty :) |
| 00:10.10 | dfighter | probably the tax office would have no idea what I have to do |
| 00:10.17 | ojwb | MatthewWilkes: yeah, they're usually helpful, at least if you talk to the right department |
| 00:10.30 | ojwb | NZ's equivalent seem good too |
| 00:10.57 | MatthewWilkes | ojwb: They probably know you all by name, don't they? |
| 00:11.10 | ojwb | i suspect so |
| 00:11.17 | MatthewWilkes | I quite liked NZ |
| 00:11.19 | MatthewWilkes | it seems so small |
| 00:11.30 | Ident | it seems so lord of the rings |
| 00:11.30 | ojwb | the tax return pretty much just asks how many sheep you have |
| 00:11.48 | MatthewWilkes | I met one of the people from the ghost chips advert in a bad |
| 00:11.50 | MatthewWilkes | bar* |
| 00:12.11 | ojwb | MatthewWilkes: you didn't tell me you were visiting |
| 00:12.29 | MatthewWilkes | ojwb: You're in wellington, aren't you? |
| 00:12.41 | ojwb | yes |
| 00:12.57 | MatthewWilkes | ojwb: I was only in Auckland and up norf, didn't make it down to Wellington |
| 00:13.00 | ojwb | ah |
| 00:13.00 | MatthewWilkes | Was only there 2 weeks |
| 00:13.07 | ojwb | well, you missed the best bits then! |
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| 00:13.49 | ojwb | actually, I'm not sure I would really know - aside from changing planes at AKL, i've not been further north than about Rotorua since moving here to live |
| 00:14.07 | MatthewWilkes | ojwb: I made it as far south as the shire movie set |
| 00:14.08 | ojwb | i visited AKL for a couple of days in 1993 |
| 00:14.40 | MatthewWilkes | AKL's nice enough, there's a good microbrewery |
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| 00:14.53 | MatthewWilkes | I hear there's a bar that brands itself as the only welsh bar in the southern hemisphere in wellington |
| 00:14.59 | allman | ojwb: Congrats on living in Wellington! What a fabulous place :) |
| 00:15.05 | MatthewWilkes | which is nonsense, given the colony in argentina |
| 00:15.06 | ojwb | yes, i find that amusing |
| 00:15.29 | ojwb | my lasting impression of welsh pubs is that they're mostly closed on sundays |
| 00:15.34 | MatthewWilkes | A friend of mine went in and ordered in welsh, got stared at |
| 00:15.47 | ojwb | allman: thanks |
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| 00:16.08 | ojwb | i can see the whole irish pub thing |
| 00:16.43 | MatthewWilkes | at least it's not a scottish pub |
| 00:16.49 | MatthewWilkes | "I'll have a lager, please" |
| 00:16.51 | shapr | Speaking of which, what is the payment schedule for gsoc? |
| 00:16.55 | MatthewWilkes | "See you, jimmy!" |
| 00:17.10 | allman | shapr: please see the FAQ |
| 00:17.15 | shapr | looks |
| 00:18.25 | shapr | aha, I see |
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| 00:20.45 | MatthewWilkes | Awesome, iElectric got accepted by the PSF |
| 00:22.12 | aericson | JakeDust, mind if I pm you? |
| 00:22.18 | JakeDust | aericson: Nope |
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| 00:31.29 | d34th4ck3r | !payment |
| 00:32.16 | prokrammer | !help |
| 00:32.16 | gsocbot | prokrammer: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. |
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| 00:39.32 | ofan | !next |
| 00:39.33 | gsocbot | ofan: "next" is Community Bonding Period (until May 21): Students get to know mentors, read documentation, get up to speed to begin working on their projects. |
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| 00:45.44 | trybest | !payment |
| 00:46.01 | trybest | !gsoc |
| 00:46.01 | gsocbot | trybest: "gsoc" is Something that allows you to program for the summer in an open source project and win some cash and reputation |
| 00:46.06 | demosdemon | !learn payment as http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/studentpaymentcards |
| 00:46.06 | gsocbot | demosdemon: "payment" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/studentpaymentcards |
| 00:46.26 | trybest | !payment |
| 00:46.26 | gsocbot | trybest: "payment" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/studentpaymentcards |
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| 00:52.31 | gsocbot | v1z_: "next" is Community Bonding Period (until May 21): Students get to know mentors, read documentation, get up to speed to begin working on their projects. |
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| 02:47.58 | nischayn22 | where can I get information about the tax forms I have to submit? |
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| 02:48.20 | zomux | i also want to know it |
| 02:48.25 | demosdemon | !contractor | nischayn22 |
| 02:48.25 | gsocbot | nischayn22: "contractor" is You are considered a contract developer doing work for hire for Google : http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/studentinfo#tax |
| 02:49.05 | ojwb | nischayn22, zomux: google should send out information about them shortly |
| 02:49.42 | zomux | okey thanks |
| 02:49.45 | klocatelli | send as in snail mail or email? |
| 02:49.59 | demosdemon | read the page, upload to melange |
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| 04:03.31 | gsocbot | mmh: "next" is Community Bonding Period (until May 21): Students get to know mentors, read documentation, get up to speed to begin working on their projects. |
| 04:03.56 | zomux | next |
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| 04:25.41 | gsocbot | zomux: "next" is Community Bonding Period (until May 21): Students get to know mentors, read documentation, get up to speed to begin working on their projects. |
| 04:26.03 | zomux | !enrollment form |
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| 04:26.25 | zomux | !!! |
| 04:27.52 | ojwb | zomux: just be patient, and you'll be sent details of the forms you need to fill in |
| 04:28.15 | zomux | ok , thanks |
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| 04:33.44 | chughakshay16 | could anyone tell me by when do i need to submit tax and enrollment form in melange ?? |
| 04:36.13 | ojwb | chughakshay16: timeline says by may 21st if you don't want to delay the first payment |
| 04:36.34 | ojwb | you should get a mail about the forms soon |
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| 04:40.44 | chughakshay16 | ojwb, and what about the enrollment form ? |
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| 04:41.20 | ojwb | chughakshay16: i'd wait a few days and see what the mail says |
| 04:41.27 | ojwb | has no special knowledge |
| 04:41.40 | chughakshay16 | ojwb, :) okay ,thanks so much |
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| 05:15.15 | wting | Hi, I was accepted into GSOC (hooray!) but I noticed that another student with the same exact project was accepted as well. Is this within the program's guidelines? |
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| 05:25.54 | sharvey | wting: best ask your org? |
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| 05:26.38 | Gushings | wting There was some discussion about this last month in here I believe. |
| 05:26.39 | wting | sharvey: I've posted it on the group's ML, just wanted to confirm if there are any restrictions from GSOC program as well. |
| 05:27.05 | Gushings | The consensus was it was not restricted but could be "bad form" depending on the project.. |
| 05:27.39 | dfighter | sounds kinda impractical |
| 05:27.46 | Gushings | But, it would make sense for some projects I suppose |
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| 05:28.19 | wting | It's for implementing browser synchronization in Gnome's Epiphany browser. I'm not sure if we're going to be working together or developing in parallel, but I'm open to either. /me shrugs |
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| 05:28.39 | sharvey | wting: will you be working in sync? |
| 05:28.41 | sharvey | ;) |
| 05:28.53 | Gushings | hahahaha |
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| 05:29.20 | Gushings | wting well, if its structured similarly they could probably use code from both! |
| 05:29.40 | Gushings | You'd have to figure that out from them of course. |
| 05:29.45 | Gushings | I'm sure they have a plan for you. |
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| 05:30.30 | wting | k thanks, just wanted to make sure we weren't stepping on any toes. |
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| 05:51.18 | MartynasB | wting: it is in a FAQ – http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs#two_students_one_project |
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| 05:56.18 | dontula_kapil | hello |
| 05:56.35 | dontula_kapil | what will be the pay for students in gsoc 2012 |
| 05:56.39 | dontula_kapil | ?... |
| 05:56.48 | dontula_kapil | :) |
| 05:57.09 | zomux | I just think this is less important |
| 05:57.52 | masquerade | dontula_kapil: $5,000 USD |
| 05:57.59 | masquerade | If you are successful |
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| 05:59.22 | dontula_kapil | will the payment be divided as 500usd for company and 4500 usd for students |
| 05:59.43 | zomux | company ? |
| 05:59.53 | dontula_kapil | i mean mentoring organisation |
| 06:00.05 | dontula_kapil | sorry :( |
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| 06:00.28 | dfighter | no |
| 06:00.32 | dfighter | 5000 for you |
| 06:00.37 | dfighter | 500 for the org |
| 06:00.41 | masquerade | No, it is $5,000 and $500 this year |
| 06:00.58 | dontula_kapil | ok thank you for the info |
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| 06:18.58 | Shidash | Technically $5015 it appears |
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| 07:35.07 | dsathe | masquerade: 5500$ ? |
| 07:35.18 | dsathe | oh ok ok get it |
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| 07:57.02 | kushagr | Hi , I think my proposal was not even evaluated ...Is there anything i can do?? Any help is appreciated.:( |
| 07:58.34 | robbyoconnor | kushagr: it was likely evaluated and they didn't think it was good enough... regardless, no nothing you can do now... |
| 07:59.07 | robbyoconnor | what makes you think it wasn't evaluated? |
| 08:00.20 | robbyoconnor | kushagr???? |
| 08:00.21 | kushagr | I had a chat with the mentor regarding the proposal i had submitted ... I submitted a patch for the application and also submitted a proposal which my mentor thought was good |
| 08:00.49 | robbyoconnor | kushagr: Okay here's how it likely went down: they can only take so many students |
| 08:00.57 | robbyoconnor | you may have not made the cut |
| 08:01.12 | robbyoconnor | the best people to ask is your org! |
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| 08:01.30 | beachbrake | kushagr: its okay :) you can still contribute to the org and request the mentors to fix you up somewhere? |
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| 08:01.42 | robbyoconnor | *NOT* here... but in all likelihood good students sometimes don't get selected... |
| 08:02.02 | robbyoconnor | it happens -- they only get a set number of slots |
| 08:02.14 | kushagr | When i did not get selected I asked my mentor for any feedback. My mentor told me that he was told that there were no proposals submitted for the project I had submitted the proposal for. |
| 08:02.40 | robbyoconnor | kushagr: *blink* |
| 08:02.47 | robbyoconnor | say what? |
| 08:03.01 | guifre | that's weird |
| 08:03.02 | Zhee | hi is there any opportunity to get accepted students by university? I need it for article to the department webpage |
| 08:03.33 | robbyoconnor | kushagr: speak to the org admin |
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| 08:03.51 | robbyoconnor | Unless your proposal title was vague as hell -- that shouldn't happen |
| 08:03.51 | kushagr | Yeah ... The organisation hasn't replied yet... I'm talking to them right now. |
| 08:03.55 | beachbrake | kushagr: "he was told " <-- there is nothing to be told :| it was all in melange! |
| 08:04.14 | robbyoconnor | kushagr: your mentor has access to the same information all mentors (and org admins) do |
| 08:04.15 | kushagr | It was the same as the prject title listed on the organisation |
| 08:04.21 | beachbrake | and it clearly asks "which project are you applying for" |
| 08:04.24 | robbyoconnor | so your mentor should have been looking in melange all along. |
| 08:06.15 | kushagr | I don't know what went wrong:(] |
| 08:06.33 | robbyoconnor | kushagr: nothing can be done now |
| 08:06.43 | robbyoconnor | but I would fight |
| 08:06.45 | robbyoconnor | go into melange |
| 08:06.50 | robbyoconnor | pull up the proposal |
| 08:07.01 | robbyoconnor | send the link to your mentor and say "here's my proposal" |
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| 08:07.14 | aghisla | You should contact the org admin as well. |
| 08:07.16 | robbyoconnor | but other than pointing out it was there...not much can be done! |
| 08:07.31 | aghisla | oh, robbyoconnor said that already. |
| 08:08.01 | robbyoconnor | this actually makes my blood boil |
| 08:08.27 | beet | !next |
| 08:08.28 | gsocbot | beet: "next" is Community Bonding Period (until May 21): Students get to know mentors, read documentation, get up to speed to begin working on their projects. |
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| 08:08.58 | kushagr | He agrees to the fact that my proposal exists as i gave it to him the moment i submitted it for feedback |
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| 08:09.19 | robbyoconnor | so what did he need to be "told" then? |
| 08:09.29 | kushagr | How can i reach the melange people. |
| 08:09.35 | robbyoconnor | #melange |
| 08:09.43 | kushagr | thanks :) |
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| 08:10.12 | robbyoconnor | kushagr: your best recourse isn't the melange people but carol |
| 08:10.22 | robbyoconnor | (carols AT google DOT com |
| 08:10.23 | kushagr | My mentor and I are going to have a chat with the org admins... |
| 08:10.28 | kushagr | I hope it helps |
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| 08:10.33 | kai | possibly there was no _slot_ for his project? |
| 08:10.39 | kai | instead of no proposals? |
| 08:11.04 | sumit786raj | hey ! the list of accepted students on the website is final ???? |
| 08:11.05 | robbyoconnor | kai; that sounds more feasible |
| 08:11.11 | robbyoconnor | sumit786raj: yes |
| 08:11.26 | robbyoconnor | last Friday it was more or less finalized. |
| 08:11.31 | sumit786raj | ohh....i m very disappointed |
| 08:11.43 | sumit786raj | i didnt get selected |
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| 08:11.52 | kushagr | I mailed carol about it yesterday she said she has no details as to what happened |
| 08:12.13 | robbyoconnor | kushagr:as kai said -- there are slots given to each org |
| 08:12.26 | robbyoconnor | your org gets X slots where X is some integer |
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| 08:12.54 | robbyoconnor | your project may not have had a slot or all slots got filled before your project was considered |
| 08:13.20 | robbyoconnor | So there may not have been any malice on your org's part |
| 08:13.47 | robbyoconnor | s/malice/wrongdoing/ |
| 08:13.48 | gevaerts | would very much doubt malice anyway |
| 08:13.59 | robbyoconnor | gevaerts: wrongdoing is better methinks |
| 08:14.03 | sumit786raj | is there any alternative to gsoc ??? |
| 08:14.29 | robbyoconnor | sumit786raj: KDE has one and i *THINK* GNOME has one but their deadlines are diff |
| 08:14.35 | kai | sumit786raj: you could just contribute to open source without getting paid, like most people doing open source |
| 08:15.02 | robbyoconnor | sumit786raj: GSoC isn't about money anyways |
| 08:15.20 | robbyoconnor | (if you think about it -- it's not that much money anyways) |
| 08:15.33 | sumit786raj | yeah |
| 08:15.33 | robbyoconnor | just contribute and then mentor :) |
| 08:15.55 | kai | robbyoconnor: I think that pretty much depends on the average wage in whatever place you are |
| 08:16.09 | robbyoconnor | kai: in the US for example |
| 08:16.15 | robbyoconnor | it's slave labor :P |
| 08:16.25 | kai | I doubt that |
| 08:16.28 | robbyoconnor | in developing countries it's a lot |
| 08:16.37 | kushagr | It is not about the money. |
| 08:16.38 | robbyoconnor | it's below minimum wage hourly I think |
| 08:16.50 | robbyoconnor | I never actually calculated it |
| 08:17.04 | robbyoconnor | kushagr: I know |
| 08:17.24 | robbyoconnor | If it was about the money...people would quit in droves :) |
| 08:17.31 | kushagr | Its about the experience of Gsoc |
| 08:17.37 | kai | the difference to slave labour is that nobody will hit you with a whip if you don't work |
| 08:17.39 | robbyoconnor | That said I LOVE GSoC! |
| 08:17.57 | robbyoconnor | I was a student 2008,2009,2010 |
| 08:18.13 | robbyoconnor | mentor 2011 and org admin 2012 |
| 08:18.37 | jceel | robbyoconnor, wow, impressing! |
| 08:18.38 | sumit786raj | wow great robbyconnor |
| 08:18.51 | robbyoconnor | it's funny that I'm org admin for the first org I worked with :) |
| 08:18.52 | jceel | is student third time this year - was in 2010 and 2011 |
| 08:19.17 | jceel | and it's probably the last year |
| 08:19.20 | sumit786raj | i m very disappointed...i thought i might get selected |
| 08:19.26 | Teo`` | sumit786raj: I'm an admin for KDE, KDE hosts Summer of KDE which you might be interested in |
| 08:19.33 | jceel | next year i'm supposed to be mentor |
| 08:19.34 | robbyoconnor | sumit786raj: sometimes good students get turned away |
| 08:19.35 | jceel | :) |
| 08:19.38 | sumit786raj | oh wow |
| 08:19.46 | Teo`` | sumit786raj: there are other programs like X.Org everlasting vacation of code for example |
| 08:19.55 | sumit786raj | where can i go for the details |
| 08:20.03 | robbyoconnor | sumit786raj: one of the mentors for my org LITERALLY almost made the cut |
| 08:20.15 | kai | if only google had a search engine |
| 08:20.26 | robbyoconnor | kai: no such thing |
| 08:20.31 | robbyoconnor | I've never heard of that |
| 08:20.45 | sumit786raj | Teo`` : how can i go for KDE |
| 08:20.46 | robbyoconnor | It's too late to be witty |
| 08:20.57 | robbyoconnor | sumit786raj: google! |
| 08:21.01 | robbyoconnor | http://google.com |
| 08:21.17 | robbyoconnor | sumit786raj: it doesn't reflect good on you right now -- Go be resourceful! |
| 08:21.18 | robbyoconnor | ;) |
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| 08:21.45 | Teo`` | sumit786raj: you can find the announcement here on my blog http://teom.wordpress.com/ it says everything you need to know about SoK |
| 08:21.47 | robbyoconnor | kushagr: ask your mentor if s/he meant that there weren't any slots for your proposal |
| 08:22.02 | robbyoconnor | Teo``: do you use melange? |
| 08:22.11 | Teo`` | robbyoconnor: for SoK? no |
| 08:22.41 | robbyoconnor | ok need sleep |
| 08:22.58 | robbyoconnor | kushagr: grr!!! you made me lose sleep! |
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| 08:23.07 | kushagr | No I don't think he meant that... |
| 08:23.23 | robbyoconnor | Are you sure? |
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| 08:23.45 | sumit786raj | thanks a lot Teo`` |
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| 08:23.59 | robbyoconnor | sumit786raj: good luck! |
| 08:24.10 | robbyoconnor | sumit786raj: though it's again not about the money!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 08:24.19 | robbyoconnor | <3 |
| 08:25.12 | sumit786raj | robbyconnor : i m not going for the money...but i want a project to learn and develop at the same time |
| 08:25.31 | robbyoconnor | sumit786raj: you don't need to be part of a SoC-like program to do that... |
| 08:25.34 | sumit786raj | money matters for everyone to drive them somehow |
| 08:25.47 | Teo`` | SoK pays no money btw |
| 08:25.48 | robbyoconnor | naptime |
| 08:26.11 | Teo`` | you do get a mentor, a T-shirt and much knowledge, experience and fun |
| 08:26.15 | sumit786raj | but more i am interested in developing something and feeling good to myself contributing to the open source community |
| 08:26.23 | Teo`` | great:) |
| 08:26.31 | robbyoconnor | sumit786raj: do you know java? |
| 08:26.35 | sumit786raj | great |
| 08:26.38 | sumit786raj | ya |
| 08:26.40 | robbyoconnor | OpenMRS is a great org to work with! |
| 08:26.55 | sumit786raj | i know java,python,c,c++,html,php,android |
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| 08:27.11 | robbyoconnor | also Sahana Eden (Python) |
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| 08:27.26 | robbyoconnor | Just saying! |
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| 08:27.53 | robbyoconnor | OpenMRS are the people who pushed me to apply my first year |
| 08:27.54 | robbyoconnor | =) |
| 08:28.05 | robbyoconnor | good people! |
| 08:28.27 | robbyoconnor | now excuse me while i shut my eyes for 1 hour |
| 08:28.38 | sumit786raj | robbyoconnor : do you work with openMRS |
| 08:29.01 | sumit786raj | can you mentor in any project or advice me ?? |
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| 08:29.13 | robbyoconnor | sumit786raj: I can't mentor you -- I haven't coded for them in ages |
| 08:29.36 | robbyoconnor | I don't code nearly as much as I should |
| 08:29.58 | robbyoconnor | I may actually improve Konversation =) |
| 08:30.08 | robbyoconnor | soon-ish |
| 08:30.12 | sumit786raj | then what do you do ?? with which org you work |
| 08:30.16 | robbyoconnor | Teo``: dun take that the wrong way :) |
| 08:30.31 | robbyoconnor | sumit786raj: OpenMRS |
| 08:30.35 | robbyoconnor | backup org admin |
| 08:30.43 | sumit786raj | ohhkk |
| 08:30.46 | robbyoconnor | kinda just sit back and step in if need be |
| 08:31.02 | sumit786raj | good |
| 08:31.04 | Teo`` | robbyoconnor: a-ha! you're poaching students! |
| 08:31.09 | Teo`` | robbyoconnor: just kidding |
| 08:31.28 | robbyoconnor | Teo``: I'm not doing anything :) |
| 08:31.45 | robbyoconnor | I can't mentor them LOL there's no guarantees on my part! |
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| 08:31.53 | Teo`` | robbyoconnor: it's in everyone's interest that potential students know much about all their options and then choose :) |
| 08:31.56 | robbyoconnor | A lot of the devs have their hands full right now |
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| 08:32.21 | Teo`` | yup, KDE is near full mentoring capacity too |
| 08:32.33 | robbyoconnor | Teo``: though Konversation has one quirk: why does it notify me when I'm opped,voiced, etc as if somebody said my nick :/ |
| 08:32.39 | robbyoconnor | I *LOVE* this app |
| 08:32.45 | robbyoconnor | only beef =) |
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| 08:32.53 | robbyoconnor | I use KDEWin :) |
| 08:32.56 | kai | fix it? :) |
| 08:32.57 | robbyoconnor | :) |
| 08:33.00 | robbyoconnor | I may! |
| 08:33.05 | robbyoconnor | kai: like I said I'm gonna |
| 08:33.12 | robbyoconnor | just pointing it out :D |
| 08:33.19 | robbyoconnor | excuse me naptime :D |
| 08:33.26 | robbyoconnor | ...I have to behave this year :/ |
| 08:33.40 | Teo`` | robbyoconnor: I don't use Konversation even |
| 08:33.53 | Teo`` | robbyoconnor: I prefer Quassel for now |
| 08:33.55 | sumit786raj | Toe`` : can you mentor me sir for any project under KDE ?? |
| 08:34.07 | sumit786raj | or suggest me anything ?? |
| 08:34.24 | robbyoconnor | sumit786raj: you can work on tickets :) |
| 08:34.26 | robbyoconnor | for any org :D |
| 08:34.35 | Teo`` | sumit786raj: I'm already mentoring a student and co-mentoring another, but if you have an idea of what you'd like to do we can try and find you a mentor |
| 08:34.35 | robbyoconnor | then scratch an itch of yours :D |
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| 08:35.07 | robbyoconnor | I think I can safely say sumit786raj that OpenMRS is at capacity and Sahana likely too... |
| 08:35.09 | sumit786raj | hmmm |
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| 08:35.24 | robbyoconnor | You can still work on tickets |
| 08:35.49 | robbyoconnor | Zzz |
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| 08:36.50 | kushagr | Had a chat with the admin and the mentor. |
| 08:37.08 | kushagr | As kal said the slots were over :(. |
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| 08:39.17 | kushagr | I think I'll be on my way to contribute to opensource :D |
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| 09:12.29 | scher | Hello folks! My proposal has been accepted for GSOC 2012. Where do I can find out who will be mentoring my project? |
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| 09:13.11 | gsocbot | scher: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. Try searching for the org's contact info or even just try a /join #<mentoring org here> |
| 09:13.19 | Al_Da_Best | scher, Go to your organisations homepage |
| 09:13.22 | Al_Da_Best | (on melange) |
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| 09:16.46 | scher | Thanks. Sorry. It was rather foolish of me |
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| 09:20.43 | ojwb | wting: the faq explicitly addresses that: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs#two_students_one_project |
| 09:21.25 | ojwb | I don't know of many orgs who will actually do that though - it just seems a way to ensure that one student is going to end up with their code unused |
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| 09:22.12 | ojwb | you should be working independently to the other student (see question 10 just above that) |
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| 09:22.43 | jsalatas | Hi. I'm accepted in gsoc2012 and in my ToDo List there is an entry saying "School name selected from autocomplete". Is there something I can do about that? Obviously my school (http://www.eap.gr/index_en.php) doesn't appear in the autocomplete list. |
| 09:22.49 | ojwb | d'oh, I just saw someone else pointed out that faq entry a bit later |
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| 11:21.07 | kai | gnah |
| 11:21.14 | kai | shakes his fist at lighttpd |
| 11:21.26 | kai | why can't it log an error if it has problems |
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| 11:21.42 | kai | I shouldn't have to strace a process to figure out why it's not working as expected.. |
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| 11:22.11 | buffyg_laptop | That seems fair to say. |
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| 11:23.08 | kai | it's the first time I've had this problem |
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| 11:23.31 | kai | but then again I usually just use lighttpd to proxy to uwsgi or the like |
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| 11:34.15 | rohan | how many are here whose proposals got selected? |
| 11:34.21 | uman | does anyone know why Google doesn't give gsoc grants to its own projects? |
| 11:34.28 | uman | Chrome, Android, and so on |
| 11:34.34 | MatthewWilkes | uman: They haven't applied |
| 11:36.36 | ojwb | some of them have taken part in previous years IIRC |
| 11:36.55 | ojwb | chrome isn't open source, but i'm pretty sure chromium took part |
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| 11:37.48 | ojwb | yeah, in 2010 |
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| 11:40.02 | uman | MatthewWilkes: well, of course, I'm wondering why they haven't |
| 11:40.15 | uman | ojwb: ah, that is interesting |
| 11:40.27 | gevaerts | Actually, we don't know that they haven't applied |
| 11:40.40 | ojwb | perhaps they did apply |
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| 11:41.02 | uman | gevaerts: the way the real world works I imagine Google would be selected if it applied |
| 11:41.11 | uman | gevaerts: even though theoretically they don't have to be |
| 11:41.58 | gevaerts | My guess is that they'd have to bend the rules too much. Gsoc code has to be published at the end of the period |
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| 11:42.18 | gevaerts | Also, they can easily get interns for those projects anyway if they want |
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| 11:43.47 | uman | gevaerts: good point |
| 11:44.10 | uman | I guess it wouldn't make sense to go the roundabout way of allocating money to projects by first giving it to GSoC then applying for it |
| 11:44.20 | uman | may as well just allocate money to the project in the first placed |
| 11:44.22 | uman | *place |
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| 12:30.19 | Domiiii | do I have to send the work permit and tax information to google before may 21st? |
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| 12:30.26 | Domiiii | hi btw |
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| 12:41.04 | vipulnsward | !logs |
| 12:41.04 | gsocbot | vipulnsward: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
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| 12:44.13 | gsocbot | mailson: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
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| 12:47.00 | jsalatas | Hi. I'm accepted in gsoc2012 and in my ToDo List there is an entry saying "School name selected from autocomplete". Is there something I can do about that? |
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| 12:50.03 | mark_h | jsalatas: I went in and wrote my uni in english and the autocomplete came up |
| 12:50.21 | ardahal | !next |
| 12:50.23 | gsocbot | ardahal: "next" is Community Bonding Period (until May 21): Students get to know mentors, read documentation, get up to speed to begin working on their projects. |
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| 12:51.09 | Domiiii | !todo |
| 12:51.12 | Domiiii | how do i see the todo list? |
| 12:51.18 | Domiiii | or you mean in your own proposal? |
| 12:51.48 | JakeDust | Domiiii: dashboard |
| 12:52.22 | JakeDust | Domiiii: info here http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/studentinfo |
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| 12:53.55 | Domiiii | ooh |
| 12:53.56 | Domiiii | ok thanks |
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| 12:55.31 | Domiiii | oh there is a lot more information that i needed |
| 12:55.32 | Domiiii | hehe thanks |
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| 12:56.21 | vipulnsward | any indian selected students over here? |
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| 12:58.26 | jsalatas | mark_h: my university isn't included in the list :( But it's an official university according to the greek laws. |
| 12:59.19 | ardahal | vipulnsward, yes |
| 12:59.58 | ardahal | technically i am nepalese, but i live in india...so go ahead if you want to ask |
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| 13:01.28 | techgaun | hello ardahal, best of luck for gsoc |
| 13:01.44 | techgaun | ardahal: which part of Nepal are you from? |
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| 13:02.42 | ardahal | techgaun, I am from Kathmandu |
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| 13:03.02 | ardahal | and perhaps the third/ fourth ever person from nepal to make it in |
| 13:03.07 | stefanneculai | !next |
| 13:03.08 | gsocbot | stefanneculai: "next" is Community Bonding Period (until May 21): Students get to know mentors, read documentation, get up to speed to begin working on their projects. |
| 13:03.31 | techgaun | ardahal: congratz man. keep up the good work. |
| 13:03.35 | vipulnsward | for india, its like half of them made it |
| 13:03.48 | techgaun | ardahal: you undergrad student in India? |
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| 13:03.55 | ardahal | techgaun, yup.. |
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| 13:04.09 | ardahal | techgaun, you're from nepal too are you ? |
| 13:04.19 | ardahal | and if yes, did you make it ? |
| 13:04.34 | techgaun | ardahal: me too from Nepal ;) |
| 13:06.39 | Domiiii | this is confusing, under "Tax Forms" it says: "All students are required to submit a tax form to Google." but further down it says "If you do not do any work inside the United States, regardless of where else you may do work, only a Foreign Certification Form is required." |
| 13:07.08 | Domiiii | so instead of the tax form, a non US citizen only submits the Foreign Certification Form? and that counts as a "tax form"? |
| 13:07.15 | ardahal | Domiiii, lets wait until carlos clears the confusion... |
| 13:07.25 | Domiiii | ehm |
| 13:07.25 | Domiiii | ok |
| 13:07.29 | Domiiii | you are having a similar issue? |
| 13:07.37 | ardahal | yup. |
| 13:07.43 | Domiiii | oh ok :) |
| 13:07.46 | Domiiii | i started feeling stupid |
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| 13:08.25 | jsalatas | Domiiii: the link contains a pdf form that you need to submit http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/studentinfo#outside |
| 13:08.45 | sharvey | that says 2011 |
| 13:09.16 | jsalatas | sorry: http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/studentinfo#outside |
| 13:09.21 | Domiiii | jsalatas yes, thats what I said, but still it conflicts with the earlier request "All students are required to submit a tax form to Google." |
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| 13:09.28 | Domiiii | and this is not a tax form :D |
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| 13:10.04 | jsalatas | just read the text in the above link: "Students based outside the United States are asked by Google to complete and return a Foreign Certification Form (download, PDF)." |
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| 13:10.30 | Domiiii | but do you understand my concern? |
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| 13:10.53 | jsalatas | yes. anyway as I'm not located in |
| 13:11.02 | jsalatas | US i just filled the form :) |
| 13:11.09 | Domiiii | ok |
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| 13:11.30 | Domiiii | I would like to suggest to someone with editing rights, to clear up the confusion |
| 13:11.33 | sharvey | I'm fairly certain if you are outside of the us, any tax form would have to be specific to your country...? |
| 13:11.42 | sharvey | yeah, agreed |
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| 13:12.22 | jsalatas | Domiiii: +1 many confusions. Another one are the schools not listed in the auto-complete list :( |
| 13:12.42 | Domiiii | I got a yes for that |
| 13:12.43 | Domiiii | :D |
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| 13:13.45 | ojwb | i suspect when they say "tax form" they mean it a bit loosely, and more accurately might say "tax form or foreign certification form" |
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| 13:17.16 | qballer | Does it help that google holds offices in my country? |
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| 13:17.27 | qballer | For taxes etc. |
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| 13:19.03 | bretonium | qballer: as far as I understand, you pay the taxes by yourself, if you are not in the USA |
| 13:19.15 | qballer | I see |
| 13:19.45 | bretonium | but you have to notify Google, that you are not in the USA, by filling in the form |
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| 13:22.41 | qballer | Ok, I guess you were referring to the Tax forms |
| 13:23.00 | qballer | thanks. |
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| 13:28.06 | JordiGH | Hm, are those German Taxes? |
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| 13:28.19 | JordiGH | I think some Scandinavian languages also capitalise all Nouns, right? |
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| 13:29.04 | teren | nope |
| 13:29.16 | teren | only German does |
| 13:29.38 | JordiGH | Surely old Scandinavian Languages also did this? English once did. |
| 13:30.02 | OliverUv | maybe old scandinavian ones, current Swedish, Norwegian and Danish do not |
| 13:30.12 | JordiGH | Icelandic? |
| 13:30.31 | teren | no other living one does =) |
| 13:30.36 | aghisla | Dutch does not either |
| 13:30.58 | teren | oh, I found one for you |
| 13:31.15 | teren | Luxembourgish does |
| 13:31.20 | JordiGH | Haha. |
| 13:31.58 | OliverUv | neither German nor Luxembourgish are scandinavian, though |
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| 13:32.27 | JordiGH | Well, they're all Germanic. |
| 13:32.28 | OliverUv | (though they derive from common roots) |
| 13:32.34 | OliverUv | :) yes |
| 13:36.59 | MatthewWilkes | capitalisation isn't part of the language anyway, it's just an orthography convention |
| 13:37.36 | JordiGH | Yeah, sure. |
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| 13:48.40 | chemhack | anyone knows when the welcome package will be sent? |
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| 13:48.53 | JordiGH | Yes. |
| 13:49.14 | chemhack | so, when? |
| 13:49.21 | JordiGH | I don't know. |
| 13:50.06 | JordiGH | Some people switch linguistic registers very strangely. |
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| 13:50.26 | warp | :D |
| 13:50.36 | JordiGH | "Sir, excuse me for writing but [...], plz reply" |
| 13:50.44 | JordiGH | "Sir [...] plz"? |
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| 13:56.44 | ojwb | whenever someone calls me "sir", I expect them to continue "you're making a scene" |
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| 13:57.12 | ojwb | to misquote homer |
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| 13:59.13 | kai | ... note to self, try "ma'am" with ojwb |
| 14:00.49 | |Kev| | I've noted that in my experience people don't generally like to be called "ma'am", preferring "miss". |
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| 14:05.58 | Ident | milady |
| 14:06.27 | shifu | me beauty |
| 14:08.52 | aghisla | beauty? |
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| 14:10.37 | kai | |Kev|: I'm not sure ojwb cares much. |
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| 14:11.18 | sfb | kai: I bloggified about my students - hope that's OK. |
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| 14:11.42 | kai | sfb: I don't see why not |
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| 14:14.13 | sfb | kai: http://blog.ryzomcore.org/2012/04/google-summer-of-code-2012-accepted.html |
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| 14:38.03 | bretonium | I hate being called a ma'am, as well as miss |
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| 14:38.31 | bretonium | *I'd |
| 14:38.54 | JordiGH | Mlle? |
| 14:38.58 | JordiGH | Missus? |
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| 14:51.23 | Hesham | hi |
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| 14:51.47 | Hesham | i am trying to find my school name on autocomplete list but i did not find it |
| 14:51.51 | Hesham | what should i do ? |
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| 14:55.11 | kai | Hesham: you could try and ask in #melange, and then tell us the result :) |
| 14:55.31 | Hesham | kai: ok i will :) |
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| 15:10.48 | gsocbot | d34th4ck3r: "next" is Community Bonding Period (until May 21): Students get to know mentors, read documentation, get up to speed to begin working on their projects. |
| 15:11.14 | d34th4ck3r | !payment |
| 15:11.14 | gsocbot | d34th4ck3r: "payment" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/studentpaymentcards |
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| 15:49.20 | pingping | Hi all |
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| 16:22.25 | jsalatas | Lets ask again :) I'm accepted in gsoc2012 and in my ToDo List there is an entry saying "School name selected from autocomplete: no". Is there something I can do about that? |
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| 16:26.23 | Hesham | jsalatas: the same problem here |
| 16:27.02 | sharvey | jsalatas, Hesham: did you click it and try to change it? |
| 16:27.07 | Hesham | yeah |
| 16:27.16 | Hesham | but i did not find my university in the list |
| 16:27.33 | jsalatas | same here: my univ. is not in list :( |
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| 16:28.05 | Hesham | someone told me to ask about this at #melange but i got no reply ! |
| 16:28.18 | guifre | I had the same problem |
| 16:28.22 | guifre | I removed it |
| 16:28.22 | carols | Hesham: you're trying to fill in your university in your profile? |
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| 16:28.32 | victsou_ | !next |
| 16:28.34 | gsocbot | victsou_: "next" is Community Bonding Period (until May 21): Students get to know mentors, read documentation, get up to speed to begin working on their projects. |
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| 16:28.52 | Hesham | carlos: yeah and i found other universities at my country |
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| 16:28.59 | Hesham | but i did not find mine |
| 16:29.03 | guifre | and started filling it again, it apeared as a suggestion and clicked it and that fixed the issue |
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| 16:29.38 | carols | Hesham: just write it in. |
| 16:30.00 | Hesham | i already did that |
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| 16:30.13 | carols | Hesham: great :-) |
| 16:30.16 | Hesham | but it is not in the list |
| 16:30.28 | olasd | w 17 |
| 16:30.28 | Hesham | i just write the name |
| 16:30.30 | carols | Hesham: that's ok. |
| 16:30.31 | olasd | gah |
| 16:30.33 | carols | not all universities are. |
| 16:31.07 | Hesham | although some students from previous years had participated from my university |
| 16:31.15 | carols | Hesham: it's ok. don't worry about it. |
| 16:31.22 | carols | just take a deep breath and have some tea :-) |
| 16:31.26 | carols | serves some tea |
| 16:31.42 | Hesham | thanks carlos :) |
| 16:31.47 | carols | it's carols |
| 16:31.50 | carols | but you're welcome |
| 16:32.03 | Hesham | sorry carols :) |
| 16:32.08 | carols | np :-) |
| 16:32.09 | Hesham | what about tax forms ? |
| 16:32.12 | sharvey | carols: the tax form for foreign students is the foreign certification form, yes? |
| 16:32.32 | guifre | Hesham, AFAIW if you are from outside of the US you will just need to sign something |
| 16:32.35 | carols | sharvey: if you have determined that's the correct form for you, yes. you'll be sent instructions, so you don't need to worry about this now. |
| 16:32.44 | carols | deep breaths, everyone. |
| 16:32.46 | carols | deep breaths. |
| 16:33.43 | sharvey | everyone is so eager to work |
| 16:34.12 | carols | coding doesn't start until may :-) |
| 16:34.48 | OliverUv | :) thanks for all the work, being matched to incf is step #1 on the path of my dreams |
| 16:34.57 | carols | that's great :-) |
| 16:35.21 | sharvey | OliverUv: what is the path of your dreams? |
| 16:35.47 | jsalatas | being matched to incf ;) |
| 16:35.52 | OliverUv | heh, being useful to positive progressive efforts of humanity, I guess? |
| 16:36.04 | schumaml | 'GSoC Breathing Lessons' |
| 16:36.06 | sharvey | a far more nobler cause than mine |
| 16:36.28 | OliverUv | it's how i imagine myself feeling good about my life when I get old |
| 16:36.30 | chetan_ | carols: Well for some it does start right now :) |
| 16:36.35 | OliverUv | it is also really inspiring in itself |
| 16:36.49 | carols | chetan_: indeed. another good reason to take some deep breaths :-) |
| 16:36.55 | |Kev| | <@carols> coding doesn't start until may |
| 16:37.01 | |Kev| | Oh, I'll be trying to work them much harder than that :D |
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| 16:38.08 | chetan_ | carols: This channel is definitely very entertaining |
| 16:38.13 | carols | indeed |
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| 16:38.46 | OliverUv | sharvey: you in it to Make money money Make money money Make |
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| 16:39.15 | sharvey | OliverUv: no, to buy a home eventually |
| 16:39.34 | sharvey | which is tied to making money |
| 16:39.43 | sharvey | but if I wanted money, I wouldn't have gone back to school |
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| 16:39.52 | OliverUv | well, having a home isn't something i'd hold against you |
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| 16:40.16 | sharvey | it's a more materialistic plan |
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| 16:42.27 | OliverUv | security of self is often a necessary precondition to be useful to others |
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| 16:42.42 | OliverUv | i'd love to have a house |
| 16:42.51 | OliverUv | but ... wouldn't want to live away from this student area |
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| 16:43.38 | sharvey | I'd totally buy a home in this area |
| 16:43.59 | sharvey | if I wasn't sticking around, I'd rent it out to students |
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| 16:45.37 | chetan_ | carols: By when can we expect details regarding college related documents. My campus will remain closed for students after May 15th |
| 16:46.02 | carols | chetan_: tomorrow |
| 16:46.14 | carols | deep breaths. |
| 16:46.18 | carols | it will all be ok, i promise. |
| 16:46.26 | sharvey | carols: I can imagine it must be hectic on your side as well |
| 16:46.35 | carols | sharvey: nah, i do this every year. |
| 16:46.37 | carols | it's fine. |
| 16:46.44 | carols | i don't know why anyone freaks out :-) |
| 16:46.48 | carols | every year it works out |
| 16:47.08 | chetan_ | Oh perfect. No we are all fine. :) |
| 16:47.14 | carols | indeed we are. |
| 16:47.18 | carols | as i said earlier :-) |
| 16:47.28 | meflin | misplaced towels :) |
| 16:48.05 | jsalatas | carols we are just addicted to bureaucracy :) |
| 16:48.31 | carols | i guess so... |
| 16:48.47 | sharvey | I hope not! |
| 16:49.01 | sharvey | I'm addicted to fun |
| 16:49.19 | dfighter | speaking of bureacracy |
| 16:49.20 | dfighter | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GC7YiR4I0w |
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| 16:49.25 | sharvey | where fun = {coding, eating, sleeping, gaming} |
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| 16:49.39 | dfighter | Futurama ha a witty scene for everything |
| 16:49.40 | dfighter | :D |
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| 16:49.58 | chetan_ | Yup :) |
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| 16:51.06 | dfighter | sharvey what about boys/girls and partying? :) |
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| 16:51.39 | sharvey | dfighter: boys are nice, and if by parties, you mean LAN parties, then yes |
| 16:51.47 | sharvey | although I'd probably attend social parties too |
| 16:52.04 | dfighter | it's a must even for us geeks! |
| 16:52.10 | dfighter | even if not as often as for party rats |
| 16:52.11 | dfighter | :P |
| 16:52.14 | sharvey | exactly |
| 16:52.23 | sharvey | I use it as an excuse to make lots of delicious food |
| 16:52.31 | dfighter | :) |
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| 16:52.55 | dfighter | well that's a great way of attracting male attention :P |
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| 16:53.01 | dfighter | loves good food |
| 16:53.05 | sharvey | ahaha |
| 16:53.15 | sharvey | I just wanted the excuse to eat pie and cake |
| 16:53.17 | sharvey | so I made them |
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| 16:53.32 | dfighter | :) |
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| 16:54.07 | sharvey | everyone loves pie and cake |
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| 16:54.54 | shibulijack | Congratulations to all the selected students! Have fun coding :) |
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| 18:03.17 | carols | serves some tea and coffee |
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| 18:03.34 | Catfish_Man | g'morning carols :) |
| 18:03.40 | carols | g'morning Catfish_Man :-) |
| 18:03.45 | carols | how's it going? |
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| 18:04.35 | Catfish_Man | hmm, not bad. Waiting for a coworker to get in so he can review a patch of mine |
| 18:04.36 | Catfish_Man | you? |
| 18:05.11 | carols | just making sure everything's set up for this summer for the students. |
| 18:05.24 | carols | also, got to ride my bike to work today for the first time in a while since having my last one stolen. |
| 18:05.27 | carols | so that was really nice. |
| 18:05.39 | Catfish_Man | nice :) |
| 18:05.46 | carols | yeah :-) |
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| 18:06.54 | Catfish_Man | had a rooftop bbq on sunday; the good weather lately has been wonderful |
| 18:07.11 | carols | that's awesome. |
| 18:07.24 | carols | i'm having a housewarming for the new house I just moved into this weekend and we're hoping to bbq. |
| 18:07.42 | Catfish_Man | ooh, congrats on a new place |
| 18:07.48 | carols | thanks :-) |
| 18:07.58 | carols | i love bbq'ing in the summer |
| 18:08.44 | aghisla | gives carols a google-colored bikeshed |
| 18:08.53 | JordiGH | carols: Is it too late to rsvp? |
| 18:09.05 | carols | thanks aghisla :-) great gift |
| 18:09.13 | carols | JordiGH: you live in sf? |
| 18:09.20 | JordiGH | No, I'm only kidding. |
| 18:09.29 | carols | i would have happily invited you if you did. |
| 18:09.34 | JordiGH | Aw, thanks. |
| 18:09.36 | carols | called your bluff, i guess :-) |
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| 18:40.09 | d34th4ck3r | !contract |
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| 18:42.45 | mordante | carols, http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2012 still asks for mentors to apply |
| 18:42.53 | carols | mordante: indeed, it will all year. |
| 18:43.11 | carols | mentors can be added at any point during the year. |
| 18:43.12 | mordante | carols, ok, I thought it was by accident |
| 18:43.16 | carols | nope. |
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| 18:43.48 | mordante | I thought so since students and mentors should be paired by now |
| 18:43.58 | carols | they do need to be paired by now. |
| 18:44.04 | ChrisOelmueller | the initial pairs, yeah. can still add more mentors per student |
| 18:44.07 | carols | that doesn't mean that an org can't add more mentors if they want to. |
| 18:44.52 | mordante | ok |
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| 19:00.47 | martasd | carols: Hi. I found out the great news that I was accepted to GSOC yesterday. I am wondering if it is possible for me to start working on the project two weeks after May 21, the date listed on the timeline. |
| 19:01.34 | carols | martasd: sure, work it out with your org. |
| 19:02.13 | Triskelios | there are no restrictions on starting earlier, but you should let your mentors know |
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| 19:03.24 | martasd | carols: The US government is currently processing my OPT application and I will not be eligible to work until the beginning of June. Is this fine? |
| 19:03.39 | carols | martasd: is it fine with your org and your mentor? |
| 19:04.15 | martasd | I am going to talk to my mentor. I wanted to make sure it is ok from Google's point of view. |
| 19:04.56 | carols | martasd: if you are working legally when you are working and if you are volunteering the rest of the time and that's clear to everyone, then it's between you and the org. |
| 19:05.12 | carols | although i am confused how you can both be starting work two weeks early and then starting late in june. |
| 19:05.17 | carols | seems like it would be one of the other. |
| 19:05.46 | JordiGH | Is there any reason to discourage students from working already? One of mine is already starting with the coding. |
| 19:05.53 | martasd | carols: I planning to start two weeks later, not earlier. |
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| 19:06.16 | martasd | carols: *I am planning |
| 19:06.25 | carols | JordiGH: no, just as long as it's his/her choice. because he/she is allowed to wait until may to start. |
| 19:06.27 | Triskelios | oh, I think both of us misread "two weeks after May 21" as "two weeks before May 21" |
| 19:06.30 | Triskelios | sorry |
| 19:06.38 | carols | martasd: ok, then again, that's between you and the org. |
| 19:06.46 | JordiGH | carols: Got an overeager one. |
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| 19:07.23 | carols | JordiGH: ok |
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| 19:10.47 | Triskelios | it doesn't make sense for orgs that don't restrict normal contributors (and I hope none do) to place additional restrictions on students who are starting early, as long as they are aware this is on a volunteer basis |
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| 19:12.42 | martasd | carols: Sorry, my irc client crashed. |
| 19:13.15 | JordiGH | Triskelios: Yeah, I don't see a hard rule against it, but I was wondering if I should recommend something like "save your energy for later" or something like that. |
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| 19:15.06 | martasd_ | carols: sorry for the departure. my irc client keeps crashing. |
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| 19:15.18 | Michitux | JordiGH: as there is no reason (afaik) why the student couldn't simply shift the whole period of work (as long as it is okay for you) I don't think this is a real reason |
| 19:15.39 | aghisla | I would suggest to start early, if possible. There will be time left for more testing, better documentation, and fixing unpredicted issues. |
| 19:16.10 | martasd_ | carols: I wanted to make sure that Google is fine with me starting to work two weeks later because I will only be authorized to legally start working then. |
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| 20:06.43 | Hesham | i dunno what to do with tax form , i am from Egypt , any help ? |
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| 20:24.25 | Ident | Hesham: did you read the google gsoc site about the tax stuff? |
| 20:24.42 | carols | Hesham: you'll be sent all the information just as soon as you need to have it. |
| 20:24.45 | carols | deep breaths |
| 20:24.50 | carols | it will all be revealed. |
| 20:24.59 | Hesham | i read something about citi card |
| 20:25.07 | carols | Hesham: yes, it will all be sent to you in due time. |
| 20:25.15 | Hesham | but it is required in Todo list |
| 20:25.16 | Ident | i also can |
| 20:25.19 | carols | just talk to your organization and bond with them. now. that's all you need to do. |
| 20:25.20 | Ident | t wait to pay my taxes |
| 20:25.32 | carols | Hesham: indeed. and it can just stay that way for a while. |
| 20:25.35 | Hesham | i am doing so :) |
| 20:25.42 | carols | great :-) |
| 20:25.50 | carols | then you are doing everything you need to do |
| 20:26.09 | Hesham | thanks :) |
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| 21:46.13 | isaacbw | still muted? |
| 21:46.16 | isaacbw | :) |
| 21:46.20 | carols | isaacbw: no |
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| 21:47.20 | meflin | we are still fully tea'ed |
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| 21:57.52 | d34th4ck3r | My university is not in autocomplete list. |
| 21:58.01 | carols | d34th4ck3r: then just type it in. |
| 21:59.11 | gevaerts | Your university expects *real work* from you? ;) |
| 21:59.28 | d34th4ck3r | carols: but my todo list says "School name selected from autocomplete" and a dark red No in front of it. :| |
| 21:59.49 | carols | d34th4ck3r: it'll be ok. |
| 21:59.51 | carols | don't worry. |
| 22:00.13 | d34th4ck3r | gevaerts: :D I guess it does. |
| 22:00.17 | meflin | DONT PANIC, know where your towl is , type it in if its not on the list |
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| 22:00.40 | d34th4ck3r | what the deal with the tax and enrollment form? |
| 22:00.51 | gevaerts | wants to make it perfectly clear that he does *not* type in his towel |
| 22:00.59 | sharvey | i would |
| 22:01.05 | sharvey | but, i live alone |
| 22:01.20 | d34th4ck3r | what should I upload it, how do I get them? |
| 22:01.26 | d34th4ck3r | *in |
| 22:01.27 | meflin | heh |
| 22:01.35 | carols | d34th4ck3r: it will all be explained, i promise. |
| 22:01.41 | carols | just get to know your org. |
| 22:01.45 | carols | that's all you need to do right now. |
| 22:01.52 | d34th4ck3r | carols: ok. :) |
| 22:01.56 | carols | deep breaths. |
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| 22:13.51 | unimauro | hi alll |
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| 22:15.05 | carols | hi unimauro |
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| 22:17.10 | isaacbw | I will be out of the country for the entire month of May (my org knows). Will that be a concern regarding tax info and money? |
| 22:17.36 | meflin | that probably depends on your country |
| 22:17.37 | carols | isaacbw: you won't receive your card until you get back. but you do have to return your forms before the end of may. |
| 22:18.06 | isaacbw | Will I get my forms before may 1st? I won't have access to the internet while I'm gone |
| 22:18.22 | carols | isaacbw: yes |
| 22:18.28 | isaacbw | okay, thank you |
| 22:18.32 | isaacbw | that's what I was worried about |
| 22:18.37 | carols | no need to be worried. |
| 22:18.43 | carols | everyone's so worried today :-) |
| 22:19.01 | isaacbw | haha |
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| 22:19.18 | carols | i thought the worrying ended once you were accepted into the program, but i guess not |
| 22:19.24 | demosdemon | carols everyone wants to get everything in order :) |
| 22:19.36 | carols | demosdemon: everything is in order :-) |
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| 22:34.39 | unimauro | carols: Do you know how many student from peru in this summer ? |
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| 22:44.14 | Guest74880 | Will detailed statistics (breakdown per country,uni. etc) be made available soon ? Just curious |
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| 22:46.32 | MatzeWilkes | Guest27577: It's probably a low priority right now |
| 22:46.37 | MatzeWilkes | bah |
| 22:46.40 | MatzeWilkes | sorry ojwb |
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| 22:47.45 | ojwb | MatzeWilkes: np |
| 22:49.36 | isaacbw | man apache had a ton of slots |
| 22:50.20 | isaacbw | I guess it encompasses every apache project though |
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| 22:50.56 | ojwb | isaacbw: yes, the umbrella orgs get more slots (and more applications too) |
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| 22:54.25 | meflin | some umbrella's are quite small .. |
| 22:55.25 | ojwb | well, ok, it's not universally true |
| 22:56.15 | meflin | things like kde/gnu/apache are very .. broad and huge to start with :) |
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| 23:42.29 | eamonford | Hello everyone! I am a newly accepted student for GSoC 2012. Is IRC the best way to bond with the community? |
| 23:42.49 | meflin | depends on the commuity |
| 23:44.01 | eamonford | Do you mean the mailing list might be a better option? |
| 23:44.09 | Triskelios | if your organisation has an IRC channel, they probably expect you to be there |
| 23:44.23 | eamonford | Oh I see |
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| 23:44.27 | eamonford | thank you! |
| 23:44.39 | Triskelios | eamonford: your mentors should be able to tell you how to work with the community |
| 23:44.53 | eamonford | alright, I will ask them about that |
| 23:44.55 | eamonford | thanks |
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| 23:58.02 | sharvey | makes me wonder how he contacted the org before bonding period...? |