| 00:02.08 | scorche|sh | sharvey: hrm? |
| 00:02.19 | sharvey | nothing |
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| 00:14.50 | jztein | hello, when I get a branch of the source code, should I make another branch for the feature I'm working on, or can I work on the first branch directly? |
| 00:15.18 | Catfish_Man | jztein: branching and source control policy is decided by the individual projects, it's not uniform across all programmers |
| 00:15.28 | Catfish_Man | you should ask your mentors how they generally manage this when working |
| 00:16.16 | jztein | Okay. Thanks! |
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| 00:48.18 | sunil_ | hello |
| 00:48.33 | sunil_ | can anyone help me? |
| 00:50.16 | ojwb | !ask | sunil_ |
| 00:50.16 | gsocbot | sunil_: "ask" is Don't ask to ask, just ask. Also see !smartquestions. |
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| 00:51.39 | somaen | The follow-up is usually: "With what?" |
| 00:52.10 | sunil_ | is it problem to me, if i'm chnage any detail in gsoc profile |
| 00:52.51 | sunil_ | is it problem to me, if i'm chnage any detail in gsoc profile |
| 00:53.58 | ojwb | sunil_: i shouldn't think so - what are you wanting to change? |
| 00:55.00 | sunil_ | some of my personal details was added halfly |
| 00:55.28 | ojwb | you should be fine to just fill them in |
| 00:56.13 | ojwb | it's good to get the address right soon, as they'll take a dump of those details and pass that to the shipping department |
| 00:56.53 | sunil_ | ojwb : that means if i'm change details right now. it is not a problem? |
| 00:57.23 | ojwb | i can't say for sure, but I think you should be fine |
| 00:57.33 | ojwb | ask on #melange if you are still worried |
| 00:57.46 | sunil_ | ok thanks |
| 00:57.52 | ojwb | though I think they're mostly in europe, so you probably won't get a quick response |
| 01:00.06 | sunil_ | still we can change our details |
| 01:03.33 | isaacbw | wait... someone said something about a card earlier. What card? |
| 01:03.54 | ojwb | isaacbw: student payments are via a prepaid citibank card |
| 01:04.14 | isaacbw | can the money be withdrawn at an atm? |
| 01:04.22 | ojwb | it's proved to be the sanest way to pay several thousand people in all sorts of countries |
| 01:04.29 | ojwb | yes, you should be able to |
| 01:04.34 | isaacbw | it makes sense as long as it can easily be transferred to another account |
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| 01:04.45 | isaacbw | wonderful |
| 01:04.54 | ojwb | and/or you can buy stuff with it as if it was a credit card |
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| 01:11.49 | ojwb | sunil_: use the channel, don't PM people |
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| 01:12.27 | Calcs88 | should we send tax and enrollment form now? |
| 01:12.49 | sunil_ | ojwb: is it trouble to me get certifcate and money? |
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| 01:14.30 | ojwb | certificate comes at the end if you pass |
| 01:14.47 | ojwb | the payment card will be send out in late may |
| 01:14.58 | ojwb | !timeline | sunil_ |
| 01:14.58 | gsocbot | sunil_: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2012 |
| 01:16.03 | Calcs88 | ojwb: what about tax and enrollment forms? |
| 01:16.15 | Calcs88 | I have them marked red in ToDo in Dashboard |
| 01:16.15 | ojwb | Calcs88: have you been asked to send them yet? |
| 01:16.32 | ojwb | carols should send out a mail about it soon, if she hasn't already |
| 01:16.41 | Calcs88 | ojwb: nope, but they are present in todo list |
| 01:16.43 | ojwb | but I'm not on the student list, so I don't know |
| 01:16.43 | Calcs88 | ah ok |
| 01:17.29 | ojwb | i think the deadline is again late may for that |
| 01:17.50 | Calcs88 | in my todo list I also have additional info request for the project |
| 01:18.07 | Calcs88 | have no idea what that is, it is marked red you guys have it? |
| 01:18.24 | ojwb | i think that you can provide a longer description for the project page |
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| 01:18.38 | Calcs88 | I guess it is optional? |
| 01:19.00 | ojwb | yes, but it's nice to do |
| 01:19.03 | sunil_ | owjb: so what about to unversity confirmation mail. |
| 01:19.05 | Calcs88 | having it red kinda is scary :) |
| 01:19.28 | ojwb | sunil_: I don't know anything about that |
| 01:19.49 | ojwb | Calcs88: you can probably just take a section from your proposal and tweak it slightly |
| 01:19.56 | Calcs88 | sunil_: I guess they will notify us soon |
| 01:20.40 | Calcs88 | one last question I have is, I have it marked red in Dashboard ToDo list, about my school not being selected from drop down menu |
| 01:20.44 | Calcs88 | someone else has that? |
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| 01:21.05 | MatzeWilkes | Calcs88: A lot of people have come in mentioning it, yes. Try selecting your school from the drop down. |
| 01:21.25 | Calcs88 | MatzeWilkes: I was confused about that, what drop down menu I dont see one |
| 01:21.40 | MatzeWilkes | I don't know, everyone else managed to find it |
| 01:21.49 | Calcs88 | when typing i guess |
| 01:21.55 | Calcs88 | but my school does noe show up like that |
| 01:21.56 | MatzeWilkes | I'm not a student, can't look myself |
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| 01:21.59 | antweb_ | None here either |
| 01:22.15 | MatzeWilkes | Calcs88: Try using the english language name rather than the local one |
| 01:22.41 | Calcs88 | MatzeWilkes: yep I am |
| 01:22.54 | Calcs88 | just one college shows up from my country, wierd |
| 01:22.56 | antweb_ | Ah ok, it is auto complete. Mine is just not in there. |
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| 01:23.26 | Calcs88 | antweb_: yeah mine neither |
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| 01:23.51 | antweb_ | Found mine with a spelling mistake. |
| 01:24.01 | Calcs88 | :D |
| 01:24.14 | Calcs88 | not so lucky here |
| 01:24.26 | antweb_ | Guess the umlauts were too much for the system to handle ;) |
| 01:24.41 | sunil_ | harshadura: hi |
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| 01:25.04 | Calcs88 | it is kinda scary to have these things marked as red in the todo list though :D |
| 01:25.36 | sharvey | red is scary |
| 01:25.43 | MatzeWilkes | Calcs88: That's the point, surely? so you don't ignore them |
| 01:25.59 | Calcs88 | well yes but FAQ says nothing on it |
| 01:26.15 | antweb_ | Calcs88: We still have some time to take care of it. They'll probably give us more info soon. |
| 01:26.24 | Calcs88 | oki doki |
| 01:26.31 | MatzeWilkes | Calcs88: Because it's not a frequently asked question, just chill, if the info hasn't been sent yet then it hasn't been sent |
| 01:26.45 | MatzeWilkes | antweb_: Umlauts with a virginmedia.com hostname? Curious! |
| 01:26.45 | ojwb | the school dropdown is becoming an faq though |
| 01:26.46 | Calcs88 | first timer, sorry I panick ;) |
| 01:26.48 | ojwb | do we have a factoid? |
| 01:26.58 | MatzeWilkes | ojwb: probably |
| 01:27.00 | MatzeWilkes | !dropdown |
| 01:27.08 | MatzeWilkes | !school |
| 01:27.14 | ojwb | !autocomplete |
| 01:27.23 | MatzeWilkes | !red |
| 01:27.27 | MatzeWilkes | maybe not |
| 01:27.33 | ojwb | FWIW, carols said to just type it in if it isn't in the drop-down list |
| 01:27.34 | antweb_ | MatzeWilkes: Studying abroad atm. My actual uni is in Germany. |
| 01:28.36 | ojwb | !learn school as If you school/college/university isn't listed in the dropdown list, just type in its name instead |
| 01:28.36 | gsocbot | ojwb: "school" is If you school/college/university isn't listed in the dropdown list, just type in its name instead |
| 01:28.38 | MatzeWilkes | antweb_: I did erasmus myself, but in the opposite direction. How're you finding the UK? |
| 01:29.02 | MatzeWilkes | antweb_: Comments I've heard from germans here have included "Your post code system is very efficient" and "The english drink a lot more than I expected" |
| 01:29.28 | ojwb | finds the first unreasonably funny |
| 01:29.28 | antweb_ | MatzeWilkes: I'm in Scotland, I expected them to drink a lot :D |
| 01:29.36 | MatzeWilkes | hehe |
| 01:29.50 | MatzeWilkes | ojwb: So did I |
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| 01:30.24 | antweb_ | MatzeWilkes: The post code system is one of the easier things to get used to. It's quite different though. |
| 01:30.49 | MatzeWilkes | but the germans have been suffering with post codes covering many miles, 0-9{5} isn't enough |
| 01:30.59 | antweb_ | MatzeWilkes: Enjoying my time over here though :) |
| 01:31.53 | MatzeWilkes | antweb_: Make sure to go back with a broad scots accent :) |
| 01:32.51 | antweb_ | MatzeWilkes: Hehe, no no. Too many international students here. Barely know any actual Scottish people. |
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| 01:34.02 | antweb_ | Having a post code for every street is quite extensive though. Kinda defeats the purpose of street names. |
| 01:34.12 | MatzeWilkes | antweb_: You need to be able to do a convincing "See you, Jimmy!" at least. |
| 01:34.22 | MatzeWilkes | it's not even every street, many have multiple postcodes |
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| 01:34.38 | MatzeWilkes | Some buildings at my uni had two postcodes, one for each reception desk |
| 01:34.48 | ojwb | and places that receives a lot of post get their own quite often |
| 01:34.58 | antweb_ | Huh, and I thought I got the hang of it. |
| 01:35.10 | antweb_ | At least it makes it easier to fill out online forms :) |
| 01:35.14 | MatzeWilkes | it's cool to be able to write number and postcode and get a letter delivered though |
| 01:35.31 | ojwb | except when the database doesn't have your address in, which is quite common for new builds |
| 01:36.28 | sunil_ | ojwb: do u now, when profile update is closed. |
| 01:36.43 | MatzeWilkes | ojwb: The Merchant Venturers' Building in Brizzle has BS1 5UB for the startup incubator offices and BS8 1UB for the teaching sections, both in the same building |
| 01:36.47 | ojwb | i doubt it ever is |
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| 01:36.58 | MatzeWilkes | except the startups wanted a city centre postcode and the university wanted to do its own sorting |
| 01:37.27 | Azzurrio | please anyone help me |
| 01:37.33 | Azzurrio | Shall I select my school |
| 01:37.37 | Azzurrio | from autocomplete |
| 01:37.40 | Azzurrio | after acceptance? |
| 01:38.04 | Azzurrio | because my school is not available |
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| 01:38.09 | Azzurrio | in autocomplete |
| 01:38.30 | MatzeWilkes | !school | Azzurrio |
| 01:38.30 | gsocbot | Azzurrio: "school" is If you school/college/university isn't listed in the dropdown list, just type in its name instead |
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| 01:39.22 | antweb_ | MatzeWilkes: With stuff like this, I really do prefer our post code system. |
| 01:39.26 | sunil_ | +gsocbot:do u now, when profile update is closed. |
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| 01:39.46 | ojwb | sunil_: as i said, I doubt it ever is |
| 01:39.47 | Wazery | MatzeWilkes, can we add our school name to the list? |
| 01:40.00 | Wazery | there are 3 accepted students from it |
| 01:40.05 | Azzurrio | yeah |
| 01:40.26 | Azzurrio | our school named "Al-Shorouk Academy" |
| 01:40.58 | sunil_ | ojwb : I did n't get that. what u mean? |
| 01:41.07 | ojwb | sighs |
| 01:41.10 | MatzeWilkes | Wazery: The list is the list google maintains of all schools it knows about, I don't know how places get added but it's not in Melange |
| 01:41.25 | ojwb | that there is no date at which "profile update is closed" |
| 01:41.37 | Wazery | MatzeWilkes, aha |
| 01:41.39 | Wazery | thanks :) |
| 01:42.14 | sunil_ | ojwb: that means we can update until we finish the project. |
| 01:43.20 | Azzurrio | MatzeWilkes: so, there's no problem if we just type it? because in My Dashboard TODOS, the status of field "school name selected from autocomplete" is NO !! |
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| 01:45.25 | MatzeWilkes | Azzurrio: Try your hardest to select it from the drop down, but it it's not there then you can't select it. If you're sure it isn't suggested then sure, it's no problem |
| 01:45.35 | MatzeWilkes | I'm sure there will be more explicit guidance soon |
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| 01:45.54 | MatzeWilkes | ojwb: Don't you love the night shift? We should get badges, or warrant cards, or something |
| 01:46.35 | ojwb | Azzurrio: just pretend someone wrote that TODO message without really thinking hard enough |
| 01:47.06 | ojwb | carols herself said to just type in the school name, so if that's not good enough for you, I don't know what would be |
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| 01:48.43 | antweb_ | So Melange is pulling the names from an external database? The name of my uni is pretty messed up... |
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| 01:50.05 | MatzeWilkes | antweb_: Yep, and it's not an open-source licensed database, and they don't accept patches |
| 01:51.22 | antweb_ | MatzeWilkes: Fair enough then. I'll just type the proper name in manually then. Don't mind the red text in my todo too much. |
| 01:52.34 | ojwb | doesn't the red todo go away if you type in a name? |
| 01:53.09 | antweb_ | ojwb: Nope, it wants something from the auto complete. |
| 01:53.30 | ojwb | well, that at least seems to be a melange bug |
| 01:54.01 | ojwb | it can't sanely insist you pick from a list which doesn't have all the options and which we apparently can't easily get new entries added too |
| 01:54.08 | ojwb | -o |
| 01:54.27 | Wazery | about this todo list, can it used by a mentor to assign tasks or something? |
| 01:54.38 | antweb_ | ojwb: It does say "school name selected from autocomplete" though. |
| 01:55.00 | ojwb | sure, but that's not a sane thing to insist is done |
| 01:55.07 | ojwb | it should want a school name |
| 01:55.16 | ojwb | either from the list or typed in |
| 01:55.28 | ojwb | otherwise it just trains people to ignore todos |
| 01:55.38 | antweb_ | ;) |
| 01:58.26 | antweb_ | Anyway, I should get some sleep now... |
| 01:58.31 | antweb_ | Bye. |
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| 02:07.13 | mohyt | Is there any list of institutes participating in gsoc this year |
| 02:08.12 | ojwb | mohyt: not yet - there's likely to be a list compiled later |
| 02:08.27 | mohyt | ok |
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| 03:13.35 | zomux | !next |
| 03:13.37 | gsocbot | zomux: "next" is Community Bonding Period (until May 21): Students get to know mentors, read documentation, get up to speed to begin working on their projects. |
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| 03:48.45 | ankur | when will we be added to the students' private mailing list?? |
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| 07:02.56 | naman22 | can someone guide me what i'm a suppose to do now |
| 07:03.07 | naman22 | i guess i have to upload some tax and enrollment stuff |
| 07:03.32 | naman22 | i have no idea |
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| 07:05.27 | ojwb | naman22: wait for instructions from carols |
| 07:05.29 | dfighter | naman22 have you never read the FAQ? Besides you will get instructions |
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| 07:05.38 | dfighter | ojwb nice timing! |
| 07:05.40 | dfighter | :D |
| 07:06.12 | naman22 | checkout the todo list |
| 07:06.24 | naman22 | it says to upload tax and enrollment form |
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| 07:07.39 | dfighter | you will get instructions about those, and besides as I said: FAQ |
| 07:09.38 | dfighter | also the email you got explicitly stated this: "Over the next few days, we will add you to the private Google Summer of Code Student Discussion List. Over the next few weeks, we will send instructions to this list regarding turn in proof of enrollment, tax forms, etc." |
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| 07:10.38 | naman22 | thanks dfighter :D |
| 07:11.25 | dfighter | I always wonder how people who can't even read get into GSOC.... |
| 07:12.30 | naman22 | super exitced |
| 07:13.07 | naman22 | excited* |
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| 07:14.49 | dfighter | then talk to a mental health specialist and get some chill pills prescribed ;) |
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| 07:16.48 | naman22 | XD |
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| 07:17.40 | dfighter | no, but really, relax and bond with your mentoring organization, that's all you have to "worry" about now |
| 07:20.38 | ojwb | it would be better if melange didn't add the todo entries before you can do them really |
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| 07:23.26 | dfighter | ojwb feel free to implement it :P |
| 07:23.57 | naman22 | sure thing |
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| 07:40.39 | ojwb | dfighter: filed a ticket suggesting todo items shouldn't be active until they can actually be done |
| 07:42.34 | dfighter | :> |
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| 07:47.06 | kai | ack |
| 07:47.20 | kai | I hate it when people msg me without saying what they want |
| 07:47.37 | kai | not to mention that it's usually stuff they should ask in here anyway |
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| 07:59.40 | masquerade | kai: protip, if you take of the @ hat, people won't know to message you :-P |
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| 08:04.39 | ojwb | masquerade: i get PMs too |
| 08:04.52 | ojwb | you have to stay totally silent too in order to escape them |
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| 08:32.36 | kai | wtf... |
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| 08:34.22 | kai | "we've just built half the capacity you've asked for in your server room cooling, because it didn't look like you needed more at that point. We assumed that you'd let us know when you add more machines, so we can get better cooling in, and we'd expect you to read our minds about it, because we're not telling you" |
| 08:34.35 | kai | way to go, university construction dept |
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| 09:59.29 | buffyg | kai: Awesome. |
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| 10:03.30 | buffyg | Comm room support is one of the most challenging areas of IT. Ah, the war stories: machines racked to vent hot air into the intakes of the machines next to them, fiber patches with 90 degree bends in them... |
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| 10:18.17 | enricop | hi all. when the instructions to upload the enrollment/tax forms will be sent to students email? |
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| 10:23.26 | kai | enricop: at some later point |
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| 10:25.46 | kai | buffyg: and I don't even work in IT |
| 10:26.04 | kai | I just happen to need some computing power to get my job done |
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| 11:01.41 | xelo | Good Day, is there the possibility for a student to delete his profile? |
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| 11:10.53 | kai | xelo: delete? |
| 11:11.20 | weltall | probably scared of google collecting data |
| 11:12.05 | weltall | you could delete the google account most probably |
| 11:13.00 | scher1 | hello every one! How to join Students private mailing list? |
| 11:13.12 | kai | scher1: you'll be added to it at some point |
| 11:13.25 | xelo | kai: yes delete, I applied as student and my proposel was not accepted, now I got a call to be mentor and can't register as one |
| 11:13.37 | kai | ah |
| 11:13.48 | kai | in that case, contact the #melange folks |
| 11:13.56 | kai | or possibly use the mailing list |
| 11:14.19 | xelo | thanks kai |
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| 12:08.10 | amix | when we get our Tax form |
| 12:10.32 | ojwb | amix: just wait a few days and carols will send an email about it |
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| 12:55.12 | X-tonic | hey, the autocomplete feature of melange, is it already rolled out, or will it be after google comprises a list of colleges to be put into the form. |
| 12:55.32 | X-tonic | As in, according to my to do, i m supposed to choose my college from auto complete list, |
| 12:55.50 | X-tonic | but since my college isnt already there, me typing it out, and updating the profile |
| 12:56.03 | X-tonic | doesnt complete my to-do task |
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| 12:56.43 | MatzeWilkes | X-tonic: That's fine |
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| 13:05.59 | Hesham1 | X-tonic: carols told us not to worry about it , just type your school name |
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| 13:09.12 | X-tonic | Right, thanks. |
| 13:09.30 | Gushings | Am I missing something? Why is it required to set additional information for an accepted proposal? |
| 13:10.18 | jsalatas | i gues it's not required :) |
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| 13:10.37 | MatzeWilkes | Gushings: it's so GSoC can run better stats on who is taking part |
| 13:10.48 | MatzeWilkes | I believe |
| 13:10.54 | Gushings | It's listed as required under todo :) |
| 13:11.01 | MatzeWilkes | Gushings: Yes |
| 13:11.15 | MatzeWilkes | Gushings: These things aren't mutually exclusive |
| 13:11.17 | Hesham1 | i just copied project abstract and paste it to additional info :) |
| 13:11.19 | Gushings | matzewikes Ah, I see- so should I just add anything that I think is related? |
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| 13:12.26 | MatzeWilkes | Gushings: Oh, you mean the additional info field, not just additional info in general, well, that's because your abstract usually isn't enough to get a good idea of what's happening, this allows you to put more detailed info in about your plan, similar to the proposal |
| 13:12.39 | MatzeWilkes | Gushings: They can't just use the proposal as it might have personal info in |
| 13:12.52 | Gushings | I see, I see. |
| 13:13.09 | Gushings | That makes sense. |
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| 13:13.37 | ojwb | might be saner to split the proposal into public and private parts, but they don't currently |
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| 13:16.05 | Gushings | Yeah, I suppose you could just do that manually (copy public parts over to additional info) |
| 13:16.57 | guifre | MatzeWilkes, you know if those stats regarding universities will be published? |
| 13:17.12 | guifre | seems like interesting stuff |
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| 13:17.47 | ojwb | guifre: yes, but not for a few months probably |
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| 13:19.07 | X-tonic | !stats |
| 13:19.07 | gsocbot | X-tonic: I have 2 registered users with 2 registered hostmasks; 1 owner and 0 admins. |
| 13:19.32 | X-tonic | So when do the college wise stats come out? |
| 13:19.37 | guifre | from 2005 to 2009 only one university of the top10 # of accepted students is from the US |
| 13:20.30 | X-tonic | right.. didnt reqad the prev messaages |
| 13:20.37 | dsathe | X-tonic: after the program on successful completions |
| 13:20.44 | dsathe | :) |
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| 13:21.48 | Gushings | I'm not surprised. |
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| 13:22.31 | Gushings | I have been generally unimpressed with the level of drive from the majority of my peers. |
| 13:23.00 | ojwb | as an org, we just don't see many US students |
| 13:23.50 | |Kev| | I wonder what the reason for that is. |
| 13:24.16 | dsathe | lol :P |
| 13:24.21 | sharvey | I know of some people here at waterloo who applied for both gsoc, and a google work co-op |
| 13:24.23 | dsathe | something like http://google-opensource.blogspot.in/2011/10/whos-being-schooled.html |
| 13:24.41 | sharvey | they ended up getting accepted to both, so they had to drop gsoc |
| 13:24.50 | Gushings | I don't know what the timeline is like for other countries, but by the time GSoC deadlines are approaching many students in the US I know that may be eligible already had jobs or internships lined up. |
| 13:25.33 | guifre | Gushings, yes that makes sense |
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| 13:26.07 | guifre | I think in the US is easier to find well paid jobs/internships than other contries |
| 13:26.42 | ojwb | it does seem increasingly odd that the timeline is aligned for US students |
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| 13:27.29 | sharvey | so technically on the other side of the world, this should be called, google winter of code... |
| 13:27.30 | edsiper | !next |
| 13:27.31 | gsocbot | edsiper: "next" is Community Bonding Period (until May 21): Students get to know mentors, read documentation, get up to speed to begin working on their projects. |
| 13:27.52 | jsalatas | sharvey: lol!!!! :) |
| 13:28.03 | edsiper | !timeline |
| 13:28.03 | gsocbot | edsiper: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2012 |
| 13:28.03 | ojwb | season of KDE is better named |
| 13:28.22 | sharvey | season of code is probably better |
| 13:30.17 | MatzeWilkes | I like my bike sheds blue |
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| 14:43.32 | digitalknight | hi |
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| 14:43.43 | digitalknight | i am selected in GSoc 2012 |
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| 14:44.16 | digitalknight | i just wanted to know when I'll be added to the Google Summer Of Code Mailing List |
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| 14:45.04 | bretonium | digitalknight: you will notice. Nobody has been added yet |
| 14:45.22 | digitalknight | okk....another thing, |
| 14:45.30 | digitalknight | do I get a T-Shirt now? |
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| 14:46.27 | ojwb | digitalknight: no, you have to pass to get the tshirt |
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| 14:46.50 | digitalknight | okies....great |
| 14:46.55 | Lennie | All mentors get a t-shirt though :D |
| 14:47.02 | digitalknight | hope to have a great Google Summer Of Code 2012 |
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| 14:47.08 | Lennie | And everyone who is accepted for Melange will get a Melange one :P </win> |
| 14:47.21 | Lennie | digitalknight, good luck! |
| 14:47.23 | ojwb | they printed too may again? |
| 14:47.25 | Lennie | digitalknight, what are you working on? |
| 14:47.28 | Lennie | ojwb, :P |
| 14:47.33 | digitalknight | PostgreSQL |
| 14:47.37 | guifre | the important question is, will be get the shirt with the first payment? or with the last one? |
| 14:47.51 | ojwb | guifre: as I said, only if you pass |
| 14:47.56 | ojwb | so at the end |
| 14:47.57 | kai | guifre: you have to pass, now guess again |
| 14:48.09 | kai | or use the answer ojwb spilled already |
| 14:48.11 | guifre | ok I didnt read sorry about that |
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| 15:06.05 | Uzix | I want to go with GSoC as summer practice in university. What i should to do? |
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| 15:06.30 | JordiGH | Uzix: Are you accepted? |
| 15:06.36 | Uzix | yes |
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| 15:07.33 | ojwb | Uzix: do you mean for course credit, or something like that? |
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| 15:08.06 | ojwb | if so, see the faq: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs#course_credit |
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| 15:08.26 | Uzix | hm |
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| 15:09.22 | Uzix | probably this is no what i mean |
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| 15:11.36 | ojwb | Uzix: you probably need to try to explain then |
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| 15:15.09 | Uzix | Summer practice is 2th weeks period in when students work in some organization. Also needed contract and student review with signature and stamp from organization |
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| 15:15.53 | bretonium | Uzix: where are you from |
| 15:15.54 | bretonium | ? |
| 15:16.02 | Uzix | Russia |
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| 15:17.32 | ojwb | Uzix: so like an industrial placement? |
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| 15:18.20 | Uzix | something like this |
| 15:19.04 | bretonium | ojwb: like that, but shorter |
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| 15:26.12 | ojwb | Uzix: you may need to ask carols |
| 15:27.11 | Uzix | ojwb: where i cant find him? |
| 15:27.20 | ojwb | her... |
| 15:27.24 | JordiGH | Oh, a stage, an internship... |
| 15:27.49 | ojwb | she's often here during business hours, california time |
| 15:27.55 | ojwb | or carols@google.com |
| 15:27.57 | Uzix | ty |
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| 16:14.49 | d34th4ck3r | !midterm |
| 16:15.07 | dfighter | that's very far from now |
| 16:15.59 | ben_zen | haha |
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| 16:16.21 | jsalatas | hmmm the bot should reply something like "midterm: ubdefined" :) |
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| 16:18.33 | JordiGH | !midtern is undefined |
| 16:18.47 | JordiGH | I forget the supybot interface... |
| 16:18.51 | JordiGH | We need a chatbot RFC. |
| 16:19.01 | JordiGH | That specifies the 3 laws of chatbotics. |
| 16:19.06 | MatzeWilkes | JordiGH: !learn key as value |
| 16:19.25 | ChrisOelmueller | !gsocbot | JordiGH |
| 16:19.25 | gsocbot | JordiGH: "gsocbot" is http://gsoc-wiki.osuosl.org/index.php/Gsocbot |
| 16:19.33 | JordiGH | Yes, I know it's a supybot. |
| 16:19.40 | JordiGH | I just cba to rtfm. |
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| 16:31.42 | JordiGH | Hm, the new gmail interface seems to have hidden the "reply all" button. |
| 16:31.53 | JordiGH | Unless I want to reply to the last message in a conversation... |
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| 16:33.05 | summatusmentis | it's in the same drop-down menu it's always been, did you have a labs feature on for the reply-all button? |
| 16:33.16 | JordiGH | No, it wasn't a drop-down before. |
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| 16:33.34 | JordiGH | But I guess Oceania has always been at war with East Asia. |
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| 16:34.37 | summatusmentis | I'm 90% sure it was, but it's possible I'm mistaken |
| 16:34.45 | JordiGH | This is the problem with relying on websites. The old version vanishes, and you can't do anything about it. At least I can still run Firefox 3.6.12 |
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| 16:42.44 | Zhee | hi, what to do if there is no my school in melange's autocomplete? |
| 16:43.33 | carols | Zhee: just write it in |
| 16:43.57 | Zhee | carols: k. thanks |
| 16:43.58 | MatzeWilkes | carols! |
| 16:44.04 | carols | hi MatzeWilkes :-) |
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| 16:49.46 | MatzeWilkes | carols: FYI, today's 'world plone day', globally coordinated Plone talks, sprints, socials, etc. The SF one is at Mozilla in Hills Plaza, sure you'd be welcome to nab a beer after work if you're interested. |
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| 16:49.57 | MatzeWilkes | I'm leaving for the Bristol one soon, fun times |
| 16:50.18 | carols | MatzeWilkes: that's cool! |
| 16:50.27 | carols | i will have to check that out. |
| 16:50.33 | MatzeWilkes | carols: http://www.meetup.com/plonelounge/events/59800172/ |
| 16:50.45 | carols | cool! |
| 16:51.47 | MatzeWilkes | everyone welcome, of course, I just don't know where most of you work compared to the location of Plone events |
| 16:52.02 | |Kev| | Probably some distance away. |
| 16:52.10 | |Kev| | And I wouldn't be sure if they were public or private. |
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| 16:52.27 | MatzeWilkes | |Kev|: Plone events are pretty much always public |
| 16:52.41 | MatzeWilkes | |Kev|: You are welcome in Brizzl |
| 16:53.37 | |Kev| | It was making light of the ideas page error, nevermind... |
| 16:53.56 | MatzeWilkes | I wish this room wasn't family-friendly |
| 16:54.09 | MatzeWilkes | I'd have a response otherwise. |
| 16:54.11 | MatzeWilkes | ;) |
| 16:54.25 | |Kev| | I suspect that having never used Plone, being a 3hour round trip away from Bristle and having a piano lesson this evening, I shouldn't :) |
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| 17:15.13 | nischayn22 | The students will be getting a mail explaining how to submit documents and deadlines for the same right? |
| 17:15.23 | carols | nischayn22: yes |
| 17:15.54 | nischayn22 | carols: good, I thought I was missing something |
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| 17:16.15 | carols | just get to know your org. that's all you have to do right now :-) |
| 17:16.30 | nischayn22 | carols: that I did long ago :) |
| 17:16.34 | carols | great |
| 17:17.04 | downey | works 30 minutes down the road from Six Feet Up, MatzeWilkes :) |
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| 17:17.45 | downey | MatzeWilkes: nothing happening here though afaik |
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| 17:27.59 | MatzeWilkes | downey: Ah, I've visited Fortville |
| 17:28.09 | downey | MatzeWilkes: There's not much to it. :) |
| 17:28.23 | MatzeWilkes | there's trains! |
| 17:28.49 | unimauro | hi all |
| 17:29.15 | ChrisOelmueller | aww, 'trains' highlight |
| 17:29.31 | downey | MatzeWilkes: True! I learned to drive & got my driving license there. When they gave me my exam I didn't fully stop at the train track--failed the exam and had to re-take it again. :) |
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| 18:15.52 | carols | serves some tea and coffee |
| 18:15.57 | carols | has some coffee |
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| 18:16.56 | vikash | offers carols some cookies :) |
| 18:17.09 | carols | thanks vikash :-) |
| 18:17.12 | carols | had some cookies |
| 18:17.21 | vikash | :) |
| 18:17.55 | carols | its one of those days :-) |
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| 18:18.42 | vikash | when this channel seems to be a bit quiet |
| 18:18.51 | JordiGH | carols: You busy? I wanted to /query you about something. |
| 18:19.02 | carols | JordiGH: always busy, but you're welcome to query me |
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| 18:20.42 | dsathe | happy munching on cookies from vikash and coffee from carols , waves back in gratitude |
| 18:21.03 | carols | :-) |
| 18:21.27 | vikash | dsathe this was for carols and not for you so pay it now , remember FOSS, free as in freedom not free as in free beer |
| 18:21.40 | dsathe | lol |
| 18:21.46 | vikash | :D |
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| 18:21.49 | dsathe | ssup vikash |
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| 18:22.05 | vikash | I am great, are you coming to Delhi? |
| 18:22.14 | dsathe | nah looks unlikely |
| 18:22.24 | dsathe | come down to mumbai man |
| 18:22.32 | dsathe | your turn |
| 18:22.33 | dsathe | :D |
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| 18:23.23 | vikash | I might but for somedays during the end of my holidays |
| 18:24.21 | dsathe | cool |
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| 18:25.40 | vikash | chal cya, have my exam tomm morning |
| 18:25.49 | vikash | will catchup later |
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| 18:27.25 | dsathe | bbbye |
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| 18:33.35 | sharvey | carols: |
| 18:33.40 | carols | sharvey: |
| 18:33.44 | sharvey | re: e-mail, I already have ACM membership |
| 18:33.54 | carols | sharvey: please email me directly about it. |
| 18:33.58 | sharvey | ok |
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| 18:40.14 | lomegor | carols, I have a question regarding the mentor summit. I may need a visa to enter the US, should I apply for a visa now or wait for a more official invitation? |
| 18:40.42 | carols | lomegor: will your org confirm for me now that you are one of the selected mentors to attend? |
| 18:41.16 | lomegor | It seems so, but I could ask just to be sure. |
| 18:41.46 | carols | lomegor: if they will confirm that you are one of the two selected attendees and you feel you need to apply for a visa this far in advance, I'm happy to work with you offline about that |
| 18:42.52 | lomegor | carols, thanks. I will talk to them and have them talk to you if that's the case. I've never got a visa for the US so I don't know how much time it takes... I just want to be prepared. Thanks |
| 18:43.00 | carols | lomegor: yw |
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| 18:47.23 | Hesham | carols: i have transcript issued at 18 Jan 2012 , will it be valid ? |
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| 18:48.33 | Hesham | sorry i did not see the following section of message , i have submitted it :) |
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| 18:51.01 | yashshah_ | carols: ping |
| 18:53.28 | vikash | dsathe, will we get extension on ACM or new membership? |
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| 18:54.23 | carols | yashshah_: pong |
| 18:54.35 | Stepan777 | carols, I just want to know, if my payment card will be stolen by postal service, I will not lose my money, right? |
| 18:54.42 | carols | Stepan777: correct. |
| 18:56.40 | Stepan777 | carols,I have changed my shipping address few minutes ago, isn't it too late? |
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| 18:56.59 | carols | Stepan777: yes, its too late for these packages. |
| 18:57.28 | Stepan777 | they already were sent? |
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| 18:57.41 | carols | Stepan777: they've already been queued with usps, yes |
| 18:57.58 | Stepan777 | carols, well, thanks |
| 18:58.01 | carols | yw |
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| 18:58.47 | nischayn22 | When should I request a letter from Google for CPT ? afaik the CPT is for US students but will serve the purpose of a training/internship programme as required by my Institute. |
| 18:59.33 | carols | nischayn22: you can request it now if you like. but keep in mind what it says on the page which is it will take 5 business days for you to get it back |
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| 19:00.54 | jayrambhia | do non-US students only need to fill Foreign Certification Form ( as Tax form ) ? or is there anything else ? |
| 19:01.25 | nischayn22 | carols: 5 days will be fine, I will leave college for home by May 10th, hope to receive it by then |
| 19:01.31 | carols | nischayn22: great |
| 19:01.37 | carols | jayrambhia: the proof of enrollment. |
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| 19:02.15 | nischayn22 | carols: and the template says " successfully completed the Google Summer of Code™ 2012 program" I should change the tense right? |
| 19:02.20 | dsathe | carols: we get extension of our acm memberships ? |
| 19:02.30 | nischayn22 | actually there will be many changes I think |
| 19:02.43 | carols | nischayn22: theres a template for acceptance, not completion. |
| 19:02.47 | carols | dsathe: yes |
| 19:02.53 | dsathe | woot ! |
| 19:03.33 | nischayn22 | carols: Oh yes :P |
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| 19:06.00 | vipulnsward | carols, so for students outside US, we submit [1] Foreign Certification Form ( as Tax form ) and [2] Proof of enrollment only {without the Tax Forms}? |
| 19:06.30 | carols | vipulnsward: if you have determined that is the tax form most applicable to you, then yes. |
| 19:07.11 | nischayn22 | carols: I will have to check if a soft copy will suffice. Any idea how long will it take to get it by post? |
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| 19:07.26 | carols | nischayn22: anywhere from 2-10 days |
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| 19:08.25 | nischayn22 | India usually has post slow, I hope Google uses some private carrier. |
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| 19:08.58 | dsathe | nischayn22: chill you get the email |
| 19:09.01 | dsathe | folow it |
| 19:09.09 | carols | serves some tea |
| 19:09.14 | dsathe | scan / photo with high def cam send it in |
| 19:09.17 | dfighter | takes some tea |
| 19:09.18 | dsathe | upload it |
| 19:09.22 | carols | dsathe: thanks for the help. |
| 19:09.26 | dsathe | don;t even think of snail mail |
| 19:09.38 | dsathe | :) |
| 19:09.51 | dfighter | asks carols if the packages have some web tracking available |
| 19:09.56 | carols | dfighter: nope |
| 19:10.02 | dfighter | too bad! |
| 19:10.05 | carols | yep |
| 19:10.13 | JordiGH | asks if this is a preferred method of conversing. |
| 19:10.26 | dfighter | well I wonder how long it will take it to get here to the Wild East of Europe |
| 19:10.29 | dfighter | :D |
| 19:10.40 | nischayn22 | dsathe: I was not asking of uploading docs, but download |
| 19:10.58 | carols | nischayn22, dsathe: i think we'll figure it out offline. |
| 19:10.58 | dsathe | as in ? the "packages " ? |
| 19:11.09 | alinrus | dfighter: last year I think before the coding period began |
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| 19:11.16 | alinrus | 2 years ago, about a month after |
| 19:11.20 | nischayn22 | great. |
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| 19:11.26 | dsathe | ok carols |
| 19:11.45 | dfighter | alinrus will have to alert the sheriff to keep the drug dealers and politicians away |
| 19:11.46 | dfighter | :P |
| 19:11.47 | dsathe | patience is the key :) |
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| 19:12.16 | alinrus | dfighter: how much to the east are we talking? :) |
| 19:12.23 | dfighter | dsathe dw I am a very patient guy |
| 19:12.33 | dfighter | alinrus Hungary |
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| 19:12.40 | alinrus | oh .ro here |
| 19:12.47 | alinrus | so you'll probably get it faster |
| 19:12.53 | dfighter | oh hi there neighbor! |
| 19:12.53 | dsathe | the match is killing me :/ |
| 19:12.57 | spM__ | @carols : If I want to work with my mentoring organisation in person by going over to their country, is it permitted by the policies of Google Summer of Code ? |
| 19:12.58 | dsathe | :d |
| 19:13.01 | dsathe | LATERS |
| 19:13.12 | carols | spM__: that's up to you to work out with them about what's legal. |
| 19:13.18 | alinrus | dfighter: :) |
| 19:13.46 | carols | spM__: if you can be legally employed in the country you're in at all times you are working this summer, that's what i care about. |
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| 19:15.20 | Stepan777 | carols, as I know each package sent by mail has some identification number with which it can be tracked, can you please tell me mine? |
| 19:15.22 | dsathe | alinrus: we are at the opposite side of the globe , always later here :D |
| 19:15.23 | spM__ | @carols : my VISA application would need a letter from my employeer stating that I would be working with them on a contract, but I am confused as to, technically Google is my employer and I am in contract with Google, not with the Mentoring Organisation ? |
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| 19:15.56 | alinrus | dsathe: could be worst we're only +3.5 hours appart :) |
| 19:16.12 | dsathe | Stepan777: patience is the key , listen out for mails that you get from the mailing list ;) |
| 19:16.51 | dsathe | alinrus: i meant the packages :D, even once they reach india , it takes a while o get to the locations |
| 19:17.43 | spM__ | @carols : Is it possible that google issues me such an invitation letter, and I get it counter signed by my organisation ? That could help my VISA application a lot !! |
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| 19:18.12 | alinrus | india dsathe india is apparently 3 times larger than europe |
| 19:18.26 | carols | Stepan777: not yet. |
| 19:18.34 | alinrus | dsathe: the other way arond |
| 19:18.38 | alinrus | *around |
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| 19:18.42 | Hesham | sorry but i am not from U.S how can i get the card ? |
| 19:18.54 | carols | spM__: in that case, your employer is your organization, they are sponsoring your visa. we are paying your stipend. |
| 19:19.18 | carols | spM__: no, we're not sponsoring your visit. we require you work from home. if you work somewhere else, that's up to you to do on your own. |
| 19:19.18 | dsathe | carols: set the bot to give indication of impending mails that give all the info , we could direct them to the bot |
| 19:19.23 | carols | Hesham: it'll be sent to you. |
| 19:19.31 | dsathe | or perhaps int !nextwait for email :D |
| 19:19.37 | Hesham | i see |
| 19:20.20 | Hesham | and about tax form , i don not know what to send on it and why it's needed |
| 19:20.23 | dsathe | alinrus: things move slowly around here ;) |
| 19:20.47 | carols | Hesham: you have all the info in the student info doc. |
| 19:20.57 | carols | Hesham: did you read the whole thing? |
| 19:21.03 | zimba12 | carols: from the website of my university, I can print an unofficial transcript. is that enough? |
| 19:21.20 | carols | zimba12: does it fall into one of the categories listed on the student info doc? |
| 19:21.38 | spM__ | @carols : But still is it not possible to issue a letter attesting that I would be working for the particular organisation when google would be paying my stipend as a part of GSoC ? |
| 19:21.41 | zimba12 | carols: well, item 2 says transcript |
| 19:21.53 | Hesham | yeah , i have to contact tax professional , i would be good if there were a sample or something like that |
| 19:21.54 | dsathe | no transcripts req |
| 19:22.00 | carols | spM__: i am happy to send you a cpt letter, as instructed on the student info doc. that is the only document i can provide you. |
| 19:22.03 | zimba12 | carols: but the university web system says: unofficial transcript |
| 19:22.03 | dsathe | id card or bonafide ! |
| 19:22.47 | carols | zimba12: i see on the doc that it says "Rather than ask questions on the mailing list about whether or not the document you have is acceptable as proof of enrollment, it is much preferred that you simply send the document to us. If it is not what we need, we will request an alternate document from you." |
| 19:23.34 | zimba12 | carols: ok. sorry. |
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| 19:27.47 | vikash23 | carols: hi !!, I have been selected for GSoC an i have mentioned my hometown address as the shipping address, can i change it now to my present address i.e my hostel in college. thanks. |
| 19:27.56 | carols | vikash23: not at this point. |
| 19:28.28 | vikash23 | carols: ok. thanks. maybe i will ask my parents to forward it to me. |
| 19:28.44 | carols | ok |
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| 19:30.11 | atermenji | carols: hello. is it ok if shipping address if I entered shipping address only in "Contact info" and not in "Shipping info" ? It is said that "Shipping info" is optional on melange website |
| 19:30.20 | carols | atermenji: yes, that's fine. |
| 19:30.28 | atermenji | thanks |
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| 19:30.56 | vikash | vikash23, I think changing wont be a good option as the welcome pack and t-shirt both come on the same address :) and else you wont get your card and welcome pack |
| 19:31.14 | vikash | carols, ^ am I correct on this? |
| 19:31.17 | Arturro | Hi there, is anyone from Poland here? I've got a question about tax form... |
| 19:31.20 | vikash | AFAIR |
| 19:31.23 | carols | vikash: yes |
| 19:31.23 | vikash23 | vikash: thanks !! |
| 19:31.48 | vikash | vikash23, So no worries |
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| 19:36.31 | yeah | !log |
| 19:36.31 | gsocbot | yeah: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified. |
| 19:36.34 | MatzeWilkes | Arturro: I'm sure your local tax office can answer the questions you have about your local tax |
| 19:36.42 | yeah | !logs |
| 19:36.42 | gsocbot | yeah: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
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| 19:39.37 | Arturro | MatzeWilkes: well main question I have is - does it need to be any special form? I mean working for the foreign company. |
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| 19:41.04 | MatzeWilkes | Arturro: That you submit to google or that you need to do for Poland? |
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| 19:41.59 | peex | carols: in my todo list it says that i should select my university via auto-complete. my university is listed as "FH Esslingen" although it is called "Hochschule Esslingen" or "University of Applied Sciences Esslingen" since a few years. |
| 19:42.11 | carols | peex: just write it in. |
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| 19:42.34 | peex | carols: thanks |
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| 19:42.55 | AmberJ_ | carols, I guess the students are supposed to get the printed forms hand-signed. And then, scan them and upload the scanned document (as PDF)? |
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| 19:43.08 | carols | AmberJ_: yes |
| 19:43.14 | AmberJ_ | Thanks! |
| 19:43.18 | JEEB | just printed, hand-signed and uploaded jpgs |
| 19:43.39 | Arjun05 | likes cake. |
| 19:43.42 | JEEB | it wouldn't OCR in any case so I didn't see the reasoning in uploading a PDF |
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| 19:45.26 | MatzeWilkes | Arturro: Please don't PM me without asking, it's fine to talk about this in the channel. If you want to know what form to submit to google, it's the same as for all non-US residents. You will have gotten emails, but I believe that it's called a foreign certification form. |
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| 19:46.04 | Arturro | OK |
| 19:46.16 | carols | Arturro: and i'm happy to kick you if necessary if you do that again. |
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| 19:47.29 | Arturro | whoa, I wouldn't think that's inappropriate o_O |
| 19:47.59 | carols | Arturro: please email me if you have a question. |
| 19:48.05 | Arturro | OK |
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| 19:49.35 | MatzeWilkes | Arturro: I don't represent google, most people here don't, asking for advice over a private message means that there's no way of verifying what was said, so if I'd given you bad advice and you were arrested for tax fraud, or got a big bill and were upset, there'd be no way of seeing the evidence |
| 19:50.22 | MatzeWilkes | Often on freenode PMs are used for talking to friends in private, too, so other than that it feels a bit forward to PM without asking permission |
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| 19:50.45 | JEEB | it's general IRC etiquette to not send PMs to people you don't know |
| 19:51.04 | Arturro | now I understand, I didn't mean anything bad, just thought there's no need to talk about some details in public |
| 19:51.16 | MatzeWilkes | Arturro: Sure, no offence taken :) |
| 19:51.31 | isaacbw | people still might be interetsted in what's being discussed |
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| 19:52.41 | Arturro | understood, thanks |
| 19:53.23 | mark_h | as gsoc being my only income the fact that I will be in 2 non U.S. countries during gsoc doesn't affect the tax form in the slightest correct? I know that I'm not getting professional advice from here but it seems to have an obvious answer |
| 19:56.01 | atermenji | one more question to make things clear. As a non US resident, I should submit both signed ForeignCertificationForm and my country's tax form to Melange? |
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| 19:56.36 | carols | atermenji: I'm not interested in your country's tax form, just the foreign certification form or whatever document you've determined is appropriate. |
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| 19:58.35 | zfe_ | hello |
| 19:58.38 | zfe_ | what is the other address |
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| 19:58.44 | zfe_ | for countries where melange is blocked |
| 19:58.51 | cech | So non-US students don't need to submit a tax form? |
| 19:58.53 | atermenji | carols: thanks. I've noticed both "tax form" and downloadable ForeignCertificationForm on a melange page, so I thought that you require them both |
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| 19:58.59 | carols | zfe_: hello, you'll need to take that question off this channel, unfortunately |
| 19:59.08 | carols | cech: all students must submit a tax form. |
| 19:59.21 | zfe_ | carols, it's a mistake of turkish govt |
| 19:59.38 | zfe_ | some of Google IP classes are blocked by mistake, i'm not asking for anything illegal |
| 19:59.43 | carols | zfe_: but it's not our place to circumvent your government for you. |
| 19:59.58 | zfe_ | ok |
| 20:00.15 | MatzeWilkes | carols: Summer of Anarchy would be fun too, though, right? |
| 20:00.29 | carols | MatzeWilkes: so not my job :-) |
| 20:00.30 | cech | The Foreign Certification form is what is reffered to as the 'tax form' for non-us students? |
| 20:00.48 | carols | cech: yes |
| 20:00.54 | MatzeWilkes | The idea of using melange and submitting proposals that go through workflow for civil disobedience is very funny to me |
| 20:00.57 | cech | thanks for clearing that up. |
| 20:02.23 | spectie | carols, sorry about that |
| 20:02.34 | spectie | zfe_, was asking in the wrong place |
| 20:02.34 | carols | spectie: that's fine |
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| 20:02.58 | MatzeWilkes | spectie! |
| 20:03.03 | spectie | hey MatzeWilkes ! |
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| 20:03.42 | MatzeWilkes | is german today, apparently |
| 20:04.20 | Arjun05 | likes cake, more, apparently. |
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| 20:06.54 | yashshah_ | carols: can i change my shipping address now? or it has already posted? |
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| 20:07.13 | carols | yashshah_: it's too late for this one, but you can change it for the one later this year. |
| 20:07.32 | yashshah_ | okay, thank you |
| 20:07.38 | carols | yw |
| 20:07.46 | zfe_ | carols, my student has to send required documentation |
| 20:07.56 | zfe_ | and google-melange is blocked in his country of residence |
| 20:08.07 | carols | zfe_: then he needs to work that out on his own, directly with me. |
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| 20:09.33 | mesutcang | zfe_: I am also a Turkish citizen. I use Google dns servers, I can reach melange sites. |
| 20:09.50 | zfe_ | mesutcang, are you on a domestic landline? |
| 20:10.02 | carols | again, please take this off this channel. |
| 20:10.06 | carols | or i will kick you both. |
| 20:10.14 | spectie | zfe_, |
| 20:10.16 | spectie | please |
| 20:10.32 | zfe_ | good evening |
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| 20:19.23 | cech | My uni. id card states my name, id and date of expiry of the card clearly, but my face (pic) is sorta smudged. Is the id card without a clear photo of my face acceptable? |
| 20:19.29 | svuorela | what was the number of slots in total this year ? |
| 20:20.14 | cpolymeris | svuorela: 1212 |
| 20:20.15 | flaushy | 1212 iirc |
| 20:20.36 | svuorela | nice number. |
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| 20:21.48 | Arjun05 | multiply it by 5500 and you get another nice number :) |
| 20:22.41 | alinrus | If you mess enough with numbers you'll get all sorts of things that might appear to have a deeper meaning |
| 20:23.27 | spectie | 42 |
| 20:23.33 | alinrus | yep :) |
| 20:24.31 | MatzeWilkes | All our software is encoded into Pi at different offsets, for one |
| 20:24.44 | alinrus | if you add the first 3 digits together you get 42 |
| 20:24.47 | alinrus | omgomg |
| 20:25.13 | klocatelli | 1+2+1 = 4 not 42! |
| 20:25.13 | klocatelli | D: |
| 20:25.23 | alinrus | yeah but you have the 2 |
| 20:25.43 | alinrus | it's crazy what you can do with numbers when you make up the rules |
| 20:25.44 | alinrus | :)) |
| 20:25.59 | JordiGH | MatzeWilkes: we don't know that's true yet. We only suspect it's true. |
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| 20:33.01 | Stepan777 | !42 |
| 20:33.02 | gsocbot | Stepan777: "42" is Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything |
| 20:34.07 | gevaerts | !learn 42 as What do you get if you multiply six by nine? |
| 20:34.07 | gsocbot | gevaerts: "42" is (#1) Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything, or (#2) What do you get if you multiply six by nine? |
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| 20:36.14 | carols | is up to 500 emails sent today |
| 20:36.28 | carols | sips some tea |
| 20:37.56 | crope | more mails than I sent during half year |
| 20:38.05 | dzhus | carols: well, ACHIEVEMENT UNLOCKED |
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| 20:38.24 | carols | dzhus: happens a few times a year :-) |
| 20:38.38 | dzhus | well, collect them all |
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| 20:39.00 | carols | what else is in the collection? |
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| 20:39.45 | Gushings | carols are you managing all the student interaction yourself!? |
| 20:39.53 | dzhus | well, HANDLE GSOC ALMOST SINGLE-HANDEDLY and SAY 1000 TIMES IT'S TOO LATE TO CHANGE SHIPPING ADDRESSES |
| 20:39.54 | carols | Gushings: yes, as every year. |
| 20:40.02 | Arjun05 | dzhus, you forgot to name the Achievement, 8 hands on deck! |
| 20:40.07 | Gushings | Wow, respect. |
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| 20:40.51 | mark_h | My first stipend will be going straight on one of those unlocked galaxy nexus, but now my project will be ICS compatible! |
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| 20:43.18 | alinrus | yeah, I'll probably do the same, my freerunner is getting old |
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| 20:48.20 | cs_saheel | hello |
| 20:48.33 | carols | hi cs_saheel |
| 20:49.12 | cs_saheel | i have not added my shipment address at melang website this will impact the welcome package right? |
| 20:49.21 | carols | cs_saheel: it'll be fine. |
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| 20:49.35 | carols | and if it's not, we'll deal with it then. |
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| 20:50.08 | cs_saheel | so i mayl get my welcome package another time? |
| 20:50.22 | carols | cs_saheel: you'll get it exactly when you get it and not a second before. |
| 20:50.37 | carols | that will most likely be before the start of coding. |
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| 20:52.23 | Mareo | cs_saheel, don't worry, when google send you something, it comes sooner that you can imagine :D I received yesterday a package from Google Dublin which was sent... less than 18 hours before! |
| 20:52.38 | cs_saheel | yes but carol smith emails says that if didn't put my shipmint address at the melange website then i will not receive the welcome package? |
| 20:52.59 | cs_saheel | the problem is that i have not put any shipment address |
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| 20:53.18 | carols | cs_saheel: i didn't say that. |
| 20:53.30 | carols | i said that if you didn't list your shipping address it would be sent to your home address. |
| 20:53.40 | cs_saheel | sorry i have concluded that from your emails |
| 20:53.43 | carols | which is required, so there is an address for everyone. |
| 20:53.47 | carols | so, again |
| 20:53.48 | carols | dont worry |
| 20:53.50 | carols | it will be fine |
| 20:53.59 | carols | and if its not, we'll deal with it then. |
| 20:54.09 | cs_saheel | carols what is the payment card? |
| 20:54.15 | carols | cs_saheel: it's how we pay you. |
| 20:55.00 | cs_saheel | so no problem even in my situation where i have not added any shipping address? |
| 20:55.12 | carols | cs_saheel: correct. |
| 20:55.20 | cs_saheel | okay thanks |
| 20:55.29 | carols | as a general rule, there are a lot less actual problems than would be indicated by the conversations in this channel. |
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| 20:56.48 | MatzeWilkes | carols: :) I should hope so! It sometimes feels like defending against hordes of zombies… all asking the same question ;) |
| 20:57.20 | carols | MatzeWilkes: ain't that the truth. |
| 20:57.25 | buffyg_laptop | Yes, I think students should have two rules of thumb: don't panic, there's probably a reasonable answer; and before you ask about anything, consider what would happen if the single program admin had to take the same question from the other 1200 students. |
| 20:57.54 | cs_saheel | yes right, |
| 20:58.21 | carols | buffyg: as for #2, she already does :-) |
| 20:59.29 | buffyg_laptop | ... which is why it's probably been covered in a previous communication or the FAQ. ;-/ |
| 20:59.38 | carols | how true, how true. |
| 20:59.47 | carols | offers buffyg_laptop some tea |
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| 21:00.15 | buffyg_laptop | But, "Brains... We've been eating our own brains. Because we heard the shop might be out of Twinkies". |
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| 21:02.17 | Arjun05 | Vegetarian Zombies go... "Grain......" |
| 21:02.25 | MatzeWilkes | buffyg_laptop: actual lol |
| 21:02.41 | cs_saheel | what about some countries that don't deal with taxes, like saudi arabia |
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| 21:03.03 | allman | Arjun05: LOL |
| 21:03.14 | isaacbw | saudi arabia doesn't collect taxes? |
| 21:03.25 | cs_saheel | we don't have taxes |
| 21:03.36 | isaacbw | whaaat, how does the government pay for things? |
| 21:03.43 | flaushy | oil ^^ |
| 21:03.44 | cs_saheel | isaacbw: right |
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| 21:03.49 | isaacbw | haha |
| 21:04.24 | Arjun05 | allman: I had a whole list of different type of zombies and what they do eg. Programming Zombies go "Main......" |
| 21:05.07 | cs_saheel | we have something called zakat but we the citizens are not involved directly like with the taxes in other countries |
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| 21:07.02 | allman | Arjun05: Please send me an email :) allman@google.com |
| 21:08.06 | Arjun05 | allman: haha, alright, some of them are really lame, but once you're in the mood, it's all funny :P |
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| 21:08.18 | allman | exactly |
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| 21:12.06 | MatzeWilkes | allman, Arjun05: The lazily evaluated representations of search results in Plone are called CatalogBrains. Everyone pronounces that in a slow, zombie voice |
| 21:12.45 | allman | hee hee :) |
| 21:13.42 | Arjun05 | allman: may I PM you? |
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| 21:16.02 | Arjun05 | Ah interesting, I think the zombie jokes killed said person. |
| 21:16.40 | Arjun05 | I think said person is going "Laaaame........" |
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| 21:34.12 | Arjun05 | aha! Allman: may I PM you? |
| 21:34.46 | allman | sure |
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| 21:36.08 | sharvey | cs_saheel: I think the tax form is mostly for google |
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| 21:45.34 | mark_h | some of the emails coming throught the list are beyond belief |
| 21:45.40 | chemhack | Could anyone *MUTE* the mailing list |
| 21:46.07 | carols | I already sent out an email encouraging you to change your mail options if you don't want to receive these emails. |
| 21:46.14 | mmadia | is it possible to add co-mentors to a project? |
| 21:46.16 | buffyg_laptop | Panicking is so much more fun when it adds up to mass hysteria. |
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| 21:46.30 | |Kev| | Is the sky falling on the students' list? |
| 21:46.42 | carols | |Kev|: no |
| 21:46.49 | |Kev| | I've not noticed anything on -discuss or the mentor lists. |
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| 21:47.51 | buffyg_laptop | |Kev|: Must be. The closest thing to panic on the mentor list was the long thread re: the p word. Student seem to be showing up here in a mood to panic today. |
| 21:47.52 | crope | still only ~20 mails during few hours. not so bad imho |
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| 21:50.56 | allman | crope: true. We've seen worse. |
| 21:51.26 | allman | Though I have no way of telling how many private emails and IMs Carol is getting :( |
| 21:51.46 | carols | allman: i already passed the 500 emails sent today threshold |
| 21:51.55 | allman | UGH!!!! |
| 21:52.09 | |Kev| | *sent*? |
| 21:52.13 | |Kev| | That's quite a few. |
| 21:52.57 | carols | indeed it is. there are 1,212 students, over 2,000 mentors this year, and the melange developers and my coworkers. |
| 21:53.02 | carols | and one of me. |
| 21:53.28 | allman | Luckily Carol is a remarkably fast typist but still! |
| 21:53.30 | |Kev| | Still, 500 mails means ov average you've mailed more than 25% of the people involved in GSoC this year. |
| 21:53.43 | carols | |Kev|: well, technically they mailed me first, but... |
| 21:54.32 | riviti | carols: I'll try not to bother you unnecessarily :O |
| 21:54.40 | carols | riviti: thanks. |
| 21:54.41 | riviti | ... and now, see how that turned out |
| 21:56.29 | crope | likely FAQ / instructions are not clear enough if that many students needs personal help :i |
| 21:57.06 | carols | crope: i would happily update the FAQ if it would mean i could send less email. |
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| 21:57.48 | sharvey | carols: I have great respect for how you are able to handle all this |
| 21:57.54 | carols | sharvey: thank you. |
| 21:57.54 | |Kev| | Question: Does this FAQ apply to me? Don't I need to mail Carol to be sure? |
| 21:57.58 | |Kev| | Answer: Yes. No. |
| 21:58.01 | weltall | gives chocolate to carols :) |
| 21:58.07 | carols | thanks weltall :-) |
| 21:58.12 | carols | munches some chocolate |
| 21:58.16 | sharvey | clearly we need to pitch in and send carols a giant present in the end |
| 21:58.35 | carols | sharvey: you're very sweet. no presents needed, this is what i get paid to do after all :-) |
| 21:58.38 | weltall | a real size statue of her made of chocolate? :D |
| 21:58.53 | carols | weltall: wow, that would be kind of weird |
| 21:59.08 | sharvey | the idea of eating herself seems kind of weird |
| 21:59.13 | carols | indeed. |
| 21:59.14 | weltall | exactly :D |
| 21:59.17 | carols | what sharvey said |
| 21:59.37 | dfighter | carols you must be a recent invention of Google, a tea and chocolate driven efficient cat herder |
| 21:59.47 | |Kev| | I think I'd rather I ate a chocolate me than anyone else did. |
| 22:00.03 | |Kev| | Although I guess for Mrs. Kev it'd be allowed. |
| 22:00.04 | carols | dfighter: i'm from google labs, actually :-P |
| 22:00.09 | weltall | XD |
| 22:00.14 | dfighter | thought so ;) |
| 22:00.32 | weltall | we can have her directly in gmail by enabling the proper labs *hides* |
| 22:00.42 | carols | yeah, that's enough of that. |
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| 22:04.18 | weltall | on the more serious business. i hope it won't happen, but if the org admin does the evaluations the point 2 is still valid toward the mentor or the org? |
| 22:04.34 | weltall | (in the last email) |
| 22:04.36 | carols | weltall: "does the point 2" - what do you mean? |
| 22:04.51 | weltall | the one about missed evaluations |
| 22:04.56 | carols | yeah, don't do that. |
| 22:05.01 | carols | there are no excuses. |
| 22:05.27 | carols | if you miss an evaluation you don't go to the mentor summit, and if your org as a whole misses two or more at any point your org doesn't go at all. |
| 22:06.12 | carols | the students fail if they miss an veal deadline, its the same for the mentors and the org. |
| 22:06.16 | carols | *eval |
| 22:06.19 | solardiz | carols: i guess weltall means that it was unclear whether the "mentor not being acceptable for the mentor summit" punishment applies in case the org admin fills out the evaluation for the mentor, but does so in time |
| 22:06.21 | weltall | ok and if the org comes with a missing mentor and the other mentors cover up for him? |
| 22:06.38 | carols | weltall: cover up? you mean submit the evaluation for him? |
| 22:06.43 | weltall | (which means the admin will have to do the evaluations) |
| 22:06.58 | weltall | more like take his place |
| 22:07.01 | carols | weltall: i'm fine with the admin doing the evaluation in a mentor's place. as long as the admin makes the deadline. |
| 22:07.13 | weltall | ok thanks |
| 22:07.16 | carols | yw |
| 22:07.23 | weltall | so it's just missed entirely evaluations |
| 22:07.28 | carols | yes |
| 22:07.32 | weltall | thanks |
| 22:07.38 | carols | which is ridiculous and there's no excuse for it. |
| 22:07.59 | weltall | i assume a lot of that happened last year as you've added that rule |
| 22:08.05 | carols | weltall: indeed. |
| 22:08.10 | weltall | :\ sad |
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| 22:13.16 | zatix | hello |
| 22:13.20 | carols | hi zatix |
| 22:13.31 | zatix | how many people is in the students mailing list? |
| 22:13.37 | carols | zatix: about 4600 |
| 22:14.11 | zatix | ok thanks, I will create a filter or something, otherwise I can find my inbox flooded in the morning lol |
| 22:14.17 | carols | zatix: please do |
| 22:14.37 | carols | i sent an email to the list encouraging everyone to change their subscription options before the new list of students was added |
| 22:14.44 | carols | but, oh well, as with most things, i'm sure no one read it |
| 22:17.07 | carols | sips some tea |
| 22:17.13 | dfighter | Im new to the list but even I disabled the spam |
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| 22:17.29 | carols | great :-) |
| 22:17.40 | dfighter | just added it to a live bookmark so I can see when something interesting happens :P |
| 22:18.04 | dfighter | altough I had to switch back to the old google groups, couldn't find the rss feed in the new one |
| 22:19.26 | jztein | hi. I have a general question about VCS. Should I update my branch regularly, or can I work on my feature, then update it when I'm ready to commit my branch? I'm not familiar with how VCSs work... |
| 22:19.39 | sharvey | jztein: that's probably a question for your org |
| 22:19.42 | sharvey | or your mentor |
| 22:19.50 | carols | what sharvey said |
| 22:20.17 | jztein | ok thanks:) |
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| 22:21.00 | dfighter | well a matter of being practical is to update regulary tho, so that it's easier to merge later, however your org might have some rules regarding it, that's why it's better to ask them |
| 22:24.08 | jztein | thanks dfighter |
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| 22:27.20 | unimauro | :Pç |
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| 22:30.19 | ojwb | hi jztein |
| 22:30.34 | jztein | hi ojwb |
| 22:31.33 | dark-al | hi all :) |
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| 22:31.52 | dark-al | who from Russian or Belarus? :P |
| 22:31.54 | siddharth | hi anyone here? |
| 22:32.10 | dark-al | siddharth, yes ) |
| 22:32.10 | sharvey | hi there |
| 22:32.14 | carols | siddharth: yes, there are 415 people here. |
| 22:32.30 | siddharth | whats the link to the tax form? |
| 22:32.41 | carols | siddharth: you read through the whole doc, yes? |
| 22:32.44 | carols | the links are in there. |
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| 22:32.45 | dark-al | siddharth, from what contry you? |
| 22:32.49 | siddharth | india |
| 22:32.51 | siddharth | nope |
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| 22:32.57 | siddharth | not able to find link :/ |
| 22:33.07 | siddharth | where to start from? |
| 22:33.12 | carols | my email. |
| 22:33.15 | carols | then the doc. |
| 22:33.17 | carols | then the links. |
| 22:33.28 | dark-al | siddharth, http://google-summer-of-code.googlecode.com/files/ForeignCertificationForm2012.pdf |
| 22:34.53 | siddharth | carols: thanks :) |
| 22:34.58 | carols | yw |
| 22:35.00 | siddharth | gsoc mailing list is flooded |
| 22:35.51 | ojwb | siddharth: you might want to filter anything from @google.com out for actually reading |
| 22:35.53 | carols | siddharth: i do hope you read the whole doc, though, because the instructions on submitting your forms are on there too. |
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| 22:36.17 | siddharth | ok |
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| 22:43.39 | demosdemon | Set up abridged. Get it once a day and glance for anything that might be important. |
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| 22:45.25 | carols | i'm going offline everyone. please email me with questions. i'm seeing if i can break my record of 642 emails sent in a single 24 hour period. |
| 22:49.31 | cpolymeris | thinks we should crowdfund some cake for carols & co. after gsoc is over |
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| 22:49.42 | sharvey | I was thinking that too |
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| 22:52.59 | ojwb | cpolymeris: already been done (well, not cake, but chocolate): https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-3trZV1RWPf4/TqMGlsiYdgI/AAAAAAAABiA/05ap0Yj5j5M/IMG_20111022_110714.jpg |
| 22:53.20 | sharvey | that is a lot of chocolate |
| 22:53.32 | ojwb | i think that was before it all got added to the pile too |
| 22:53.51 | ojwb | i can't find my own photo right now, but I thought there was more |
| 22:54.19 | Al_Da_Best | That's a sizable collection |
| 22:54.29 | cpolymeris | ok... maybe not an original idea, but would still be nice, I think |
| 22:54.47 | cpolymeris | or maybe someone comes up with something better |
| 22:54.58 | Al_Da_Best | Go for an edible version of one of the Google Android version statue/things |
| 22:55.27 | ojwb | you mean like some sort of edible eclair or donut? |
| 22:55.34 | Al_Da_Best | Yeah, same size as the big ones :P |
| 22:55.37 | ojwb | how would that possibly work |
| 22:55.41 | ojwb | ah, full size |
| 22:57.46 | siddharth | for students outside US, we have to fill only Foreign Certification Form? |
| 22:58.02 | siddharth | is this the only requirement for tax form? |
| 22:58.28 | cpolymeris | yes, and your enrollment proof |
| 22:59.07 | siddharth | ok |
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| 22:59.37 | siddharth | btw where do we have to submit? |
| 22:59.49 | cpolymeris | melange dashboard |
| 23:00.22 | JEEB | under the todos |
| 23:00.53 | siddharth | thanks :) |
| 23:02.30 | isaacbw | so I'm clicking the submit button on the tax form page and it goes grey for a few seconds then back to white... is there supposed to be some indicator that the file is being uploaded? |
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| 23:03.08 | cpolymeris | Al_Da_Best: android is just 1 google product, don't think it is the best to represent GSoC. What about a cake with flags like this year's gsoc logo? |
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| 23:06.52 | isaacbw | nevermind, got it |
| 23:08.42 | Al_Da_Best | I know it's just one product, but it's already a food item which makes it easier |
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| 23:09.46 | siddharth | so we will get goodies right? |
| 23:09.51 | siddharth | any idea what ? |
| 23:10.07 | ojwb | it's a surprise each year |
| 23:10.09 | cpolymeris | oh... i get it. you mean an eclair or ice sandwich or... I thought you were thinking of a green android-shaped cake |
| 23:10.43 | siddharth | what was in 2011? |
| 23:11.13 | cpolymeris | bumper sticker + notepad |
| 23:11.31 | cpolymeris | and a pen, IIRC |
| 23:11.37 | siddharth | ok |
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| 23:14.59 | dsathe | hey cpolymeris |
| 23:15.02 | dsathe | :) |
| 23:15.13 | cpolymeris | dsathe: hey |
| 23:15.27 | dsathe | wassap ? which org this time ? |
| 23:16.17 | dsathe | siddharth: for indians : tax form = the non resident form Enrolment = id card, Scan them upload |
| 23:16.23 | cpolymeris | osgeo. you participated last year? |
| 23:16.33 | dsathe | yep |
| 23:16.40 | dsathe | google plus Dhananjay Sathe ;) |
| 23:16.45 | dsathe | samba both years |
| 23:16.46 | dsathe | :) |
| 23:17.30 | cpolymeris | oh... didn't recognize your nick. great that you working with samba again |
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| 23:17.44 | siddharth | dsathe: but we have to pay tax right coz we will get around 2.5L |
| 23:17.52 | dsathe | ;) |
| 23:18.08 | siddharth | our tax slab in 2L |
| 23:18.26 | dsathe | perhaps |
| 23:18.27 | siddharth | is* |
| 23:18.33 | dsathe | siddharth: see im |
| 23:18.35 | siddharth | did you pay last year also? |
| 23:18.36 | dsathe | pm* |
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| 23:18.46 | dsathe | se i pm you ;) |
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