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| 00:00.56 | uman | people are really getting upset about this mailing list |
| 00:01.27 | MatthewWilkes | uman: People always find things to be upset about, it seems |
| 00:01.29 | yangyan | so unsubscribe!! |
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| 00:01.50 | MatthewWilkes | you'll never leave! |
| 00:01.59 | uman | I'm not upset about the mailing list at all |
| 00:02.02 | uman | :P |
| 00:02.06 | MatthewWilkes | yangyan: The problem is you're autoresubscribed, they have to turn delivery off instead |
| 00:02.27 | Zer000 | uman why did you delete my "report in canadians" post from the subreddit? |
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| 00:03.15 | yangyan | Yes, set "No email" in the google group, right? |
| 00:04.20 | mark_h | I would have expected it to be much worse |
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| 00:04.25 | uman | Zer000: I didn't |
| 00:04.39 | uman | Zer000: I haven't deleted anything; sometimes things take a while to show up on reddit though, it gets bogged down at times |
| 00:04.41 | Zer000 | uman, oh lol reddit is glitching out on me as usual then |
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| 00:07.18 | Zer000 | I've got a question for everyone, have you already been contacted by your mentor? Personally I don't even have their contact info yet, but I was told not to worry... |
| 00:07.51 | isaacbw | there was no contact info on their melange page? |
| 00:07.55 | uman | Zer000: I was in contact with mine before I applied, actually |
| 00:08.05 | Gushings | Yes, and I've had skype discussions with them and other members of the team.. But it's probably not a huge deal if you haven't? |
| 00:08.20 | carloscardenas | hi all |
| 00:08.26 | carloscardenas | alguien de Peru ? |
| 00:09.29 | Zer000 | isaacbw, there's only a list of who's proposals were accepted on the melange page, for example http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/google/gsoc2012/blender is there something i'm missing? |
| 00:09.49 | v1z | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:09.51 | isaacbw | scroll down and there's a slew of contact methods |
| 00:10.04 | isaacbw | twitter, blog, mailing list, irc |
| 00:10.23 | v1z | gsocbot: whatis countries |
| 00:10.23 | gsocbot | v1z: "countries" is Stats on students per country will be published on the OSPO blog soon |
| 00:11.20 | isaacbw | Zer000, do you see it? |
| 00:11.28 | Zer000 | isaacbw, that's for the mailing list and the organization itself though. I'd like to contact the mentor directly... |
| 00:11.50 | Zer000 | I guess I'll just bug them on irc lol |
| 00:12.09 | isaacbw | oh. My org has everyone involved in the mentoring. I guess I don't know how Blender does it |
| 00:12.41 | yangyan | MatthewWilkes: I've set "No Email" in google group, but it's still receiving the emails, I guess that's what you mean "autoresubscribed"? |
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| 00:13.53 | isaacbw | and my mentor was hanging around in IRC anyway. Send an email to the listserv and pop into IRC |
| 00:14.23 | Zer000 | isaacbw, ya i think I'll do exactly that. thanks isaacbw |
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| 00:26.52 | ojwb | yangyan: you may be subscribed more than once if you have different google accounts |
| 00:27.32 | yangyan | ojwb: Thanks, I will check on that |
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| 00:29.27 | crope | could you say how I can found out my mentor email or other contact from the GSoC webpage? |
| 00:30.12 | crope | I see his name but I am not able to find out email nor any other info |
| 00:31.03 | ojwb | crope: I don't think you can |
| 00:31.28 | ojwb | but given the mentor's name and the project, it shouldn't be too hard to track them down |
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| 04:57.19 | Domiiii | hi, I have a non-google email address subscribed to the gsoc mailing list and I cant seem to find the mailing list options? |
| 04:57.36 | Domiiii | does anyone know how I can change my digest options? |
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| 05:44.12 | chetan_ | Domiiii: groups.google.com/ |
| 05:44.31 | chetan_ | Domiiii: try logging in there and see if it works |
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| 05:46.32 | flaushy | Domiiii: you need to associate your email adress to one of your google accounts |
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| 05:51.34 | ojwb | well, you may already have a google account for it |
| 05:51.49 | ojwb | a google account doesn't have to have a gmail address |
| 05:52.12 | flaushy | right, but if your email adress is not associated, then you have not the groups options |
| 05:52.20 | flaushy | i fell for that 2 days ago as well :/ |
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| 05:56.45 | ojwb | was just noting that you may already have it associated |
| 05:57.01 | flaushy | yepe :) |
| 05:57.04 | ojwb | it seems quite common to think google account means gmail account |
| 05:57.35 | flaushy | i was really amazed to have my email added to the gsoc mailinglist and not my google account from melange |
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| 05:57.55 | ojwb | oh, where did they get the address from then? |
| 05:58.03 | flaushy | the proposal |
| 05:58.04 | ojwb | do you provide one in the profile? |
| 05:58.08 | ojwb | ah |
| 05:58.08 | ankit | application |
| 05:58.08 | flaushy | yepe |
| 05:58.19 | ojwb | well, I don't see that side... |
| 05:58.20 | zomux | oh ... |
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| 05:59.33 | flaushy | so the not associated email thing will be quite common i guess |
| 06:01.57 | Domiiii | im currently trying to unsubscribe and then re-subscribe using a gmail address |
| 06:02.49 | dfighter | I love these "any <insert nationality here> student" messages |
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| 07:15.36 | kai | man, I hate having to proof-read motivational letters for fellow students |
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| 07:15.49 | kai | especially if they need to write in english |
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| 07:16.30 | kai | their sentences are all weird because they really only work in german, and then my brain locks up and I can't come up with an appropriate translation of the context |
| 07:16.48 | kai | my respect for people who do translations as their day job |
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| 07:24.39 | Domiiii | kai translating between two languages and translating from a failed translations to a real translation are two very different tasks |
| 07:29.34 | kai | fair enough... |
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| 09:09.36 | Domiiii | is there any official record of how many hours i am supposed to work or I will be compensated for? |
| 09:10.30 | weltall | a normal full week work it's 40 hours iirc |
| 09:10.39 | weltall | full week full time |
| 09:11.01 | Domiiii | is there any official documentation on that? |
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| 09:11.38 | Domiiii | its a working permit/tax thing |
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| 09:13.47 | weltall | it's in the student guides linked from the site but not really so clearly stated did you check the TOS? |
| 09:14.13 | Domiiii | TOS? |
| 09:14.58 | weltall | terms of service |
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| 09:16.19 | weltall | http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-discuss/browse_thread/thread/77df28fe43c0c5d1?pli=1 |
| 09:16.27 | weltall | 3rd entry |
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| 09:17.51 | Domiiii | weltall i cant seem to find the TOS |
| 09:18.41 | weltall | i can't either. i accepted it when registering to gsoc2012 but cannot find it anymore |
| 09:18.55 | Domiiii | weltall i am not wondering about how much time I should spend, just for whether or not the local authorities have some official working hours they can refer to |
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| 09:20.17 | weltall | maybe see when carols comes if she knows something but these issues are usually a bit troubles to handle in many jurisdictions |
| 09:20.40 | weltall | it's more like flexible work |
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| 09:27.53 | crope | Domiiii: it was said in Accepted Student Information. I think that is offical dates 21 May, 2012 - 20 August 2012 |
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| 09:35.09 | Domiiii | crope thats not working hours :) |
| 09:38.16 | crope | Domiiii: I think you can calculate working weeks from that and then multiply it 40 huors which is said to be week workload :] |
| 09:39.17 | crope | finding those days initially was something not so easy.. IIRC there was even some differencies between two schedules |
| 09:41.03 | Domiiii | crope i mean the "40" |
| 09:41.11 | Domiiii | is there any official documentation on that? |
| 09:42.48 | crope | I am almost sure it was mentioned in some FAQ, those which were available until acceptance |
| 09:43.12 | Domiiii | crope thats not "official" :) |
| 09:43.18 | Domiiii | official means a law-binding kind of document |
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| 09:57.06 | ashfall_ | Domiiii: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/student_agreement might help. |
| 09:57.26 | ashfall_ | Though I'm not sure if it mentions the no. of hours |
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| 10:01.37 | crope | Domiiii: I looked also those docs and see no mention about workign hours. but 40h was mentioned by my organization faq. those time lines are not very clear, hard to find out all the needed info. |
| 10:02.39 | spectie | you should consider it a full time job |
| 10:04.09 | spectie | The amount of time you will need depends on both the scope of your project and the requirements of your mentoring organization. While your organization may offer some flexibility around milestone completion dates, you should expect your project to be your primary focus this summer. If you have a great internship starting soon or you're planning a month long backpacking trip, you likely won't be a good candidate for the program. |
| 10:04.13 | spectie | (from the faq) |
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| 10:13.04 | MatthewWilkes | spectie! |
| 10:13.14 | spectie | hey MatthewWilkes ! |
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| 10:14.13 | MatthewWilkes | spectie: I met someone at the weekend that used to live in puerto madryn! |
| 10:14.20 | spectie | oh cool |
| 10:14.25 | spectie | welsh speaking ? |
| 10:14.35 | MatthewWilkes | yep, he can't speak a word of spanish, though |
| 10:14.50 | MatthewWilkes | his girlfriend could, but no welsh |
| 10:15.04 | spectie | oh |
| 10:15.07 | MatthewWilkes | (both british) |
| 10:15.13 | spectie | ah |
| 10:15.18 | spectie | did he speak welsh whenhere ? |
| 10:15.23 | MatthewWilkes | yeah |
| 10:15.30 | spectie | nice |
| 10:15.55 | MatthewWilkes | apparently the accent made it really hard to understand, and the code switching was bizarre, because he couldn't use english words to them |
| 10:16.03 | spectie | lol |
| 10:16.05 | spectie | yeah |
| 10:16.07 | spectie | i can imagine |
| 10:16.54 | MatthewWilkes | So cool. I like welsh, I should try and learn it again. |
| 10:17.01 | |Kev| | I thought that. |
| 10:17.02 | spectie | aye |
| 10:17.04 | spectie | definitely |
| 10:17.07 | |Kev| | Then I realised it involved work. |
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| 10:19.07 | |Kev| | Bore da. |
| 10:19.10 | |Kev| | I can manage that much, though. |
| 10:19.25 | MatthewWilkes | 'dw i'n hoffi cîg |
| 10:19.45 | |Kev| | Now I need to remember what cig is. |
| 10:19.53 | |Kev| | Steak? |
| 10:19.54 | |Kev| | Meat? |
| 10:19.55 | MatthewWilkes | meat |
| 10:19.56 | |Kev| | Something like that. |
| 10:19.58 | |Kev| | Ta. |
| 10:20.59 | MatthewWilkes | in the same conversation someone said the only welsh she could say was "I like coffee - ddim yn hoffi coffi" |
| 10:21.01 | MatthewWilkes | made me giggle |
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| 10:21.08 | |Kev| | Heh. |
| 10:21.11 | MatthewWilkes | she'd apparently been saying it for years |
| 10:21.22 | |Kev| | Well, I don't, so that's fine. |
| 10:21.26 | MatthewWilkes | me either |
| 10:21.31 | MatthewWilkes | horrid stuff |
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| 10:22.06 | |Kev| | Well, apart from coffee cake |
| 10:22.20 | |Kev| | teigen coffi, or whatever that should be. |
| 10:22.43 | |Kev| | Is teigen cake? It's been too long since I was suffering through Welsh at school. |
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| 10:23.15 | |Kev| | Teisen, says the Internet. |
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| 10:25.26 | MatthewWilkes | I'd prefer Teisen cîg |
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| 10:27.14 | |Kev| | Might be going a bit far. |
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| 10:45.43 | kai | |Kev|: but everything is better with bacon |
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| 10:51.04 | Domiiii | spectie ok thanks, i read that stuff, I just was looking for something official |
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| 10:55.17 | kai | Domiiii: well, seeing how gsoc is basically a contracting job, you're free to pick your own timing |
| 10:55.55 | kai | your mentoring org likely will expect you to put in a full work-week, of course |
| 10:56.18 | Domiiii | ok, ill tell that the authorities |
| 10:56.47 | kai | formally, I think google pays you for independent contract work |
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| 10:58.12 | kai | which usually deals with deliverables, and not time spent |
| 10:59.08 | kai | so I as a mentor plan deliverables that I think can be done during a 40-hour week, but if you're brilliant and manage to create those in only 5 hours, how would I ever find out? |
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| 11:11.37 | |Kev| | kai: Many things, but there are exceptions. |
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| 11:39.51 | gsocbot | skelet: "next" is Community Bonding Period (until May 21): Students get to know mentors, read documentation, get up to speed to begin working on their projects. |
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| 12:23.19 | qballer | Is the student list logged ? meaning any external service listening in? |
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| 12:30.56 | mohyt | Does Institute list publish ? |
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| 12:31.27 | kai | qballer: it's a google group |
| 12:31.46 | qballer | Yea I know. some can be more private than others. |
| 12:32.09 | kai | it's a subscriber-only list |
| 12:32.30 | qballer | kai thanks. |
| 12:32.33 | kai | and the only way to get on there is to a) work at google on gsoc or b) be a gsoc student |
| 12:33.12 | kai | where a) matches like a handful of people, tops, and b) a thousands |
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| 12:38.13 | qballer | yea I know 1212 students this year, if I'm not mistaken. |
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| 13:11.38 | strtld | AFAIK, number of accepted students for GSoC '12 = 12,12 ;) Coincidence or did Google make it that way? |
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| 13:16.31 | dfighter | !numapps |
| 13:16.31 | gsocbot | dfighter: "numapps" is In 2012, 180 of 406 mentoring orgs were accepted; 4258 students submitted 6685 proposals, of which 1212 were accepted. In 2011, 175 of 417 orgs were accepted; 3731 students submitted 5474 proposals, and 1116 were accepted. In 2010, 151 of 367 orgs were accepted; 3464 students submitted 5539 proposals, and 1026 were accepted. |
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| 14:06.03 | kai | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/587953/ |
| 14:06.16 | kai | man, what the heck is wrong with using real variable names? |
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| 14:07.46 | gevaerts | hands kai a variable named 3.121821E-12 :) |
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| 14:08.14 | JordiGH | kai: You're complaining about the one-letter variable names? |
| 14:08.36 | kai | JordiGH: yeah |
| 14:08.50 | JordiGH | I think they're fine for loop variables. |
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| 14:09.24 | kai | e.g. z is a status variable, that is set to either 0 or 1 depending if a string has been initialized already or not |
| 14:09.45 | JordiGH | Computational biology? |
| 14:09.52 | Domiiii | kai the one-letter thing is simply a sign of mathematicians or physicists writing code (or some people who think one-letter variable names make sense because they saw it that one time) |
| 14:10.23 | kai | and I'm not sure why iterating over a list of genes gives me something I can then sub-index from |
| 14:10.38 | kai | Domiiii: it's a biologist writing that code |
| 14:10.50 | JordiGH | A gene is a bunch of codons, right? |
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| 14:11.24 | kai | right, but this isn't actually a sequence I'm iterating over |
| 14:11.47 | kai | this should be a list of genes making up a gene cluster |
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| 14:11.59 | Domiiii | kai non-computer-but-scientists folk! |
| 14:12.12 | JordiGH | And yeah, code written by academics tends to suck. |
| 14:12.22 | JordiGH | My day job involves fixing such code. |
| 14:12.33 | kai | yeah, same here |
| 14:12.35 | JordiGH | So, I can't complain too much. Their crappy code gives me a job. |
| 14:12.51 | kai | well, technically I'm supposed to do science, not fix code |
| 14:13.06 | Domiiii | kai what are you doing? you work for google? |
| 14:13.14 | kai | hell no. :) |
| 14:13.45 | kai | I'm a microbiologist working on antibiotics research |
| 14:14.20 | Domiiii | cool |
| 14:14.30 | Domiiii | so are they really bad for you? |
| 14:14.40 | Domiiii | bacteria really getting immune to that shit if you take too much? |
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| 14:29.32 | kai | Domiiii: well, it's not quite as simple |
| 14:30.14 | kai | if you take too low doses or abort therapy, the risk of resistant bacteria increases |
| 14:30.36 | kai | low doses, especially as used in animal feeding supplements |
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| 14:44.00 | edsiper | g'morning all |
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| 14:48.40 | ghee22 | Hello, former GSOC student here. |
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| 14:49.17 | ghee22 | Need some help regarding employment verification… does anyone know the official dates of employment with Google for successful projects taking place in GSOC 2006? |
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| 14:56.06 | MatthewWilkes | ghee22: Remember, you weren't an employee, you were a contractor. |
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| 14:56.22 | ghee22 | Ah, yes. Thanks. |
| 14:56.35 | MatthewWilkes | ghee22: IANAG, but I'd guess the coding period |
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| 14:57.49 | ghee22 | I see… I could not find the program timeline for GSOC 2006 online… GSOC 2012 shows May 26th to August 31st. I’m hesitant to put May to August as if the dates were slightly later, it would be from June to August. |
| 14:58.01 | ghee22 | Is there a person in HR I could talk to? |
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| 14:59.05 | proKrammer | !next |
| 14:59.06 | gsocbot | proKrammer: "next" is Community Bonding Period (until May 21): Students get to know mentors, read documentation, get up to speed to begin working on their projects. |
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| 14:59.32 | MatthewWilkes | ghee22: You should email Carol at carols@google.com |
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| 15:00.11 | MatthewWilkes | ghee22: She's the programme administrator this year |
| 15:00.23 | ghee22 | Thanks! |
| 15:00.46 | ghee22 | MatthewWilkes: Appreciate it |
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| 15:18.40 | Calcs88 | the only obligation for accepted students now is to send enrollment and tax forms right? |
| 15:18.45 | Calcs88 | before 18 may |
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| 15:29.41 | jsalatas | why are all these people interesting for other people from their countries? |
| 15:30.01 | jsalatas | I'm not sure I understand that :\ |
| 15:31.35 | flaushy | easy way to transfer money with minimal loss ^^ |
| 15:31.39 | flaushy | local meetups |
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| 15:31.55 | kai | jsalatas: oh, right, it's the "anyone from <country>"-season on gsoc-students |
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| 16:51.44 | mark_h | I think the complaints of spam and solutions to stop spam is now 90% of the mailing list :) |
| 16:52.01 | mdim | mark_h: fully agree |
| 16:52.46 | JordiGH | Reminds me when I was a kid, and we were in school and the teacher would try to get us to shut up by doing "sshh!" and then we would all be doing "sshh!" and being even more noisy. |
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| 16:54.31 | mark_h | It´s just you would expect more from this particular crowd, now I don´t feel as special for being accepted lol |
| 16:54.33 | JordiGH | lol |
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| 16:54.49 | ansgar | Hehe. |
| 16:56.35 | ksenija | Don't forget that there are more that 1200 students and only 40-50 messages during 2 days. It's not that many. |
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| 16:59.58 | ansgar | Ok, I'm taking bets: will there be more mails of people complaining about other mails (or "technical illiteracy") in the end than said other mails? :) |
| 17:00.34 | somaen | No, they'll all be mails about people complaining about people complaining about mails. |
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| 17:00.49 | ansgar | Oh, I didn't think of that. |
| 17:01.02 | somaen | Repeat ad nauseam |
| 17:01.22 | mark_h | spamception |
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| 17:01.36 | somaen | Digest works fine though, then you can just read the headlines once a day, and notice the evolution of complaints |
| 17:02.15 | mark_h | I agree that the number of daily messages is low but it´s still hilarious seeing the content |
| 17:02.47 | somaen | Just wait til people receive the citibank-cards. |
| 17:03.16 | mark_h | dear god |
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| 17:08.01 | mdim | so, electronical submission of scanned proof of enrollment is enough, no need to snail mail it? |
| 17:08.38 | ksenija | I think it is certainly enough. |
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| 18:01.21 | gsocbot | blacktooth: "next" is Community Bonding Period (until May 21): Students get to know mentors, read documentation, get up to speed to begin working on their projects. |
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| 21:18.48 | gsocbot | pranjal710: "next" is Community Bonding Period (until May 21): Students get to know mentors, read documentation, get up to speed to begin working on their projects. |
| 21:18.59 | pranjal710 | !log |
| 21:18.59 | gsocbot | pranjal710: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified. |
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| 21:19.15 | gsocbot | pranjal710: I don't recognize you. |
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| 21:54.05 | Stepan777 | !numapps |
| 21:54.05 | gsocbot | Stepan777: "numapps" is In 2012, 180 of 406 mentoring orgs were accepted; 4258 students submitted 6685 proposals, of which 1212 were accepted. In 2011, 175 of 417 orgs were accepted; 3731 students submitted 5474 proposals, and 1116 were accepted. In 2010, 151 of 367 orgs were accepted; 3464 students submitted 5539 proposals, and 1026 were accepted. |
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