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| 02:35.51 | gayan | carols:Do we have to complete Gsoc to get a t-shirt |
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| 02:43.34 | ankit | gayan: you can also get it by stealing from someone who already have one :) |
| 02:43.59 | JordiGH | :O |
| 02:44.02 | JordiGH | Don't steal. |
| 02:44.04 | JordiGH | Copy it! |
| 02:44.08 | ankit | lol |
| 02:44.10 | JordiGH | lol |
| 02:44.58 | JordiGH | This GSoC shirt is free software. You are free to distribute it under the terms of the GNU General Public License version 3 as published by the Free Software Foundation or, at your option, any later version. |
| 02:45.55 | gayan | I am relay good in copy and steeling. So I should choose one way. :D |
| 02:47.20 | gayan | ankit:Do you now some one have that t-Shirt |
| 02:47.31 | ankit | I do |
| 02:47.35 | ankit | from last year :) |
| 02:48.01 | gayan | I want to steel it don't it |
| 02:48.19 | ankit | builds fences all around my cupboard |
| 02:48.38 | ankit | *his |
| 02:48.48 | gayan | it is not yours ? |
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| 02:49.17 | ankit | it is mine, I just like to talk about myself in third person :P |
| 02:50.08 | gayan | orrrr nooo. How can I steel it now :) |
| 02:51.22 | JordiGH | Actually, the GSoC logo is indeed semi-free (commercial use is forbidden), and there is no copyright on fashion designs, so you probably really can make your own GSoC teeshirts if you want. |
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| 05:36.19 | gayan | Is some one know how to steel a Gsoc t-shirt |
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| 05:43.02 | ankit | gayan: you cant there are fences all around...dont even think about it :P |
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| 05:45.04 | gayan | I am a master of theft. ;) |
| 05:48.41 | ankit | than you dont need to ask others |
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| 05:57.19 | gayan | ankit: But if don't know where can I find a t-shirt |
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| 06:50.47 | JLuc | !next |
| 06:50.48 | gsocbot | JLuc: "next" is Community Bonding Period (until May 21): Students get to know mentors, read documentation, get up to speed to begin working on their projects. |
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| 07:55.13 | Vivek_Nair | Hello Everyone |
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| 07:58.04 | rajul | hello vivek |
| 07:59.39 | Vivek_Nair | Hi, any one working on projects right now? |
| 08:00.02 | rajul | yeah i have kind of started |
| 08:00.20 | rajul | not actually coding part |
| 08:00.32 | rajul | but the planning and designing |
| 08:00.34 | Vivek_Nair | oh, so just in the planning phase |
| 08:00.36 | Vivek_Nair | ok |
| 08:00.41 | rajul | yeah |
| 08:00.53 | rajul | which org are you with?? |
| 08:01.20 | Vivek_Nair | Was working with a US based financial services company |
| 08:01.32 | Vivek_Nair | Need to rethink my career path |
| 08:01.39 | Vivek_Nair | Looking to move to Java |
| 08:01.54 | rajul | ?? |
| 08:02.07 | rajul | you are not a student in gsoc?? |
| 08:02.11 | Vivek_Nair | Was working as a IT Manager with EnCircle |
| 08:02.19 | Vivek_Nair | no |
| 08:02.32 | rajul | ohh...i thought... |
| 08:03.25 | Vivek_Nair | Trying to move to hardcore software development, so thought this would one of the best places |
| 08:03.40 | Vivek_Nair | to learn... |
| 08:03.54 | nischayn22 | Vivek_Nair: how will you learn in #gsoc ? |
| 08:04.30 | Vivek_Nair | Not learning to code... |
| 08:04.51 | Vivek_Nair | Understanding the thought process |
| 08:05.12 | nischayn22 | Vivek_Nair: if you were a student you could have taken part in gsoc |
| 08:05.57 | Vivek_Nair | yeah, I know :( |
| 08:07.28 | Vivek_Nair | nischayn22: are you working on any project (I mean: student and on gsoc) |
| 08:07.37 | nischayn22 | Vivek_Nair: yep I am |
| 08:07.48 | Vivek_Nair | that is great |
| 08:08.22 | Vivek_Nair | nischayn22: what is your major? |
| 08:08.32 | nischayn22 | IT |
| 08:08.48 | nischayn22 | and not CS, though I am unclear in the differences still |
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| 08:09.39 | Vivek_Nair | :) It is different |
| 08:10.27 | Vivek_Nair | nischayn22: which college by the way? |
| 08:10.28 | nischayn22 | Vivek_Nair: care to explain? |
| 08:10.31 | nischayn22 | NITK |
| 08:10.36 | nischayn22 | you? |
| 08:10.37 | Vivek_Nair | Oh |
| 08:10.43 | Vivek_Nair | NIE |
| 08:11.08 | Vivek_Nair | CS is more comprehensive |
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| 08:11.26 | rajul | Vivek_Nair: well you can anyways get involved in some project in any of the open source orgs |
| 08:11.49 | rajul | you can try your hands on some project.... |
| 08:11.59 | rajul | shall be good for learning |
| 08:12.47 | Vivek_Nair | yeah, I am looking around for something that would interest me. Something that is not too complicated to blog me down but good enough to start with... you know what I mean |
| 08:13.42 | Vivek_Nair | nischayn22: with CS, you will have an in-depth knowledge about hardware and software. how they individually work and how they interact (in simple words). |
| 08:13.44 | nischayn22 | Vivek_Nair: I too thought to start with something not complicated, but believe me all complicated projects have smaller parts you can easily work on |
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| 08:14.03 | nischayn22 | Vivek_Nair: and in IT you are more of a manager? |
| 08:14.12 | Vivek_Nair | yes |
| 08:14.35 | nischayn22 | well than AIEEE did too good to me :) |
| 08:14.52 | nischayn22 | it generally doesn't do such stuff |
| 08:15.39 | Vivek_Nair | I didnt get you, how did they do good ? |
| 08:16.10 | rajul | nischayn22: yeah me too....how did they do good to you?? |
| 08:16.27 | nischayn22 | ah, you see we get a good rank but its they who put you in arbitrary places. |
| 08:16.36 | nischayn22 | we just give our options but at last its all luck |
| 08:16.48 | nischayn22 | rajul: you too? good or bad? |
| 08:17.41 | rajul | nischayn22: na....i was just saying that i did not get you too.... |
| 08:17.54 | nischayn22 | oh |
| 08:18.01 | rajul | and still.....don't you have to fill choices |
| 08:18.07 | rajul | as per your rank |
| 08:18.31 | nischayn22 | I filled over 100 choices and so I never knew where I would fall in |
| 08:18.34 | rajul | and if there is a seat you shall get it according to your rank |
| 08:18.55 | nischayn22 | so I said that all that computations of rank was done by AIEEE so they did good to me |
| 08:19.04 | nischayn22 | in other words my rank did good to me |
| 08:19.04 | rajul | hmm...i see |
| 08:19.16 | rajul | right...now i get what you mean |
| 08:19.45 | nischayn22 | good, its a philosophy I have developed :P |
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| 14:19.41 | snizzo | hey! anyone italian that could help me with tax form? |
| 14:19.59 | snizzo | or, generally speaking, what should I send as "tax forms"? |
| 14:20.47 | dfighter | if you are talking about the TODO list on melange |
| 14:21.01 | dfighter | then you were told in the first email you got from the private gsoc list... |
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| 14:24.42 | snizzo | ok I'll check it again |
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| 14:39.48 | kai | hm, my "talking about maths in english" is a bit lacking, but I've got the impression that "[The author] proposes a ratio of bandwidth to binsize of at least ten or larger." isn't a valid english sentence |
| 14:40.18 | kai | not counting the redundancy of "at least … or larger" |
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| 14:53.36 | MatthewWilkes | kai: What's wrong with it? |
| 14:53.45 | MatthewWilkes | I'd say 10 or greater, myself, but otherwise seems normal |
| 14:53.54 | kai | oh, ok |
| 14:54.22 | MatthewWilkes | maybe 10:1 to be explicit that it's a ratio? The original is pretty clear, though |
| 14:54.26 | kai | in german, a ratio would always be "x to y" |
| 14:54.35 | kai | ok, fair enough |
| 14:55.41 | kai | I'm reading over the thesis of a friend of mine who's studying economics, and this stuff is really weird :) |
| 14:56.17 | dfighter | yea economics is |
| 14:56.20 | dfighter | it's like voodoo |
| 14:56.33 | dfighter | :P |
| 14:57.02 | kai | as a biologist, I'm of course shocked by their post-experiment control design |
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| 14:57.31 | MatthewWilkes | I've been studying German too long, I think. I've started going all dear-in-the-headlights-ey when people talk to me about maths |
| 14:58.39 | kai | hehe |
| 14:58.54 | ansgar | kai: "ratio of 10:1" looks strange to me (though I'm also a native-German speaker). |
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| 14:59.27 | gevaerts | MatthewWilkes: oh dear! |
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| 14:59.33 | T_UNIX | any Germans around? |
| 14:59.38 | MatthewWilkes | hehe, timing |
| 14:59.45 | roccivic | a "ratio of 10:1" looks fine to me |
| 14:59.53 | ansgar | kai: Though you can always change 10 to 10/1. Nothing wrong with that mathematically ;) |
| 15:00.23 | roccivic | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compression_ratio |
| 15:00.34 | roccivic | scroll down a bit and see the part about pertol engines |
| 15:00.45 | roccivic | *petrol |
| 15:01.13 | kai | oh dear.. |
| 15:01.25 | MatthewWilkes | T_UNIX: May I ask what you need a German for? If it's tax advice then generally the advice is "speak to your tax office or tax adviser" as google doesn't want to be liable for bad advice given in here |
| 15:01.27 | kai | now they're advocating "leave-one-out" validation... |
| 15:02.30 | kai | haha, and I learned a new acronym for "I'm making this up as I go" |
| 15:02.49 | kai | ROT estimators.. where ROT stands for "rule of thumb" |
| 15:03.06 | MatthewWilkes | :) |
| 15:04.14 | T_UNIX | MatthewWilkes, well yes and no. I've been at the federal tax bureau. They say nothing is needed because of the amount paid. Question is: Is it necessary to submit a tax form? |
| 15:04.29 | T_UNIX | I mean is it mendatory? |
| 15:04.38 | MatthewWilkes | T_UNIX: It's necessary to submit the foreign certification form to Google |
| 15:04.51 | kai | T_UNIX: if you're a non-us citizen not doing gsoc in the Us, you need ... what MatthewWilkes said |
| 15:05.10 | MatthewWilkes | T_UNIX: If you've spoken to your local Finanzamt already and they say they don't want anything from you, that's between you and them. |
| 15:06.02 | mailson | T_UNIX: this tax form is necessary so you don't need to pay any taxes to US |
| 15:06.17 | T_UNIX | MatthewWilkes, kai mailson thank you. |
| 15:06.42 | T_UNIX | I wasn't sure about it, since the F.A.Q. doesn't say "If necessary provide tax bla bla" |
| 15:06.54 | T_UNIX | it just says "submit tax bla bla" afair |
| 15:07.05 | kai | the student's list should have a post explaining the tax form thing |
| 15:07.12 | MatthewWilkes | T_UNIX: 'Tax form' in the context of GSoC is a US tax form, which is either a proper tax form if you're in the US, or the 'foreign certification form' otherwise |
| 15:07.49 | kai | haha, classic |
| 15:07.56 | MatthewWilkes | T_UNIX: Have you SEEN German tax forms? You really think google wants to get involved in that? ;) |
| 15:08.02 | kai | "the method is based on visual inspection"... |
| 15:08.26 | kai | another nice euphemism for "we fiddle with the data until the results look nice" |
| 15:09.32 | dfighter | I think that's what happened in the Chernobyl power plant, back in '86 |
| 15:10.02 | kai | dfighter: no, that was an emergency drill that turned into a real emergency |
| 15:10.11 | meflin | important tip .. dont let econ majors run power plants :) |
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| 15:10.32 | dfighter | kai even better |
| 15:11.10 | kai | meflin: I'm not entirely convinced the people currently running the nuclear power plants are more competent |
| 15:11.24 | T_UNIX | MatthewWilkes, thanks again |
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| 15:12.18 | dfighter | kai you are not the only German, who feels that way, probably that's why you are getting rid of nuclear plants |
| 15:13.26 | kai | dfighter: of course that doesn't help much. I don't trust the French guys either ;) |
| 15:13.30 | dfighter | altough I can't say I envy you because of the predicted 40% energy price increase :3 |
| 15:13.48 | kai | shrugs |
| 15:13.50 | dfighter | it could hit the German economy pretty bad |
| 15:13.56 | dfighter | which is bad for me too |
| 15:14.33 | kai | I don't believe a word of what forecasters by companies run state-funded nuclear cash-cows are forecasting |
| 15:14.52 | kai | but let's not go into that rant |
| 15:14.57 | dfighter | sure |
| 15:15.37 | dfighter | I should be refactoring anyways :P |
| 15:17.40 | MatthewWilkes | I always loved the Atomkraft? Nein, danke! stickers |
| 15:17.52 | MatthewWilkes | they had a picture of the sun on, the irony made me smile every time |
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| 15:20.17 | kai | MatthewWilkes: I actually prefer the "gene-free food" stickers modelled after the sun ones |
| 15:20.39 | MatthewWilkes | kai: Not seen them |
| 15:20.40 | kai | I sure wouldn't eat the stuff that is left over after DNA extraction |
| 15:20.56 | kai | well, instead of a sun, it's a tomato |
| 15:20.58 | MatthewWilkes | ACTGs are bad for you |
| 15:21.21 | MatthewWilkes | ah, "Genfood"? |
| 15:21.32 | MatthewWilkes | Found "Tomaten? Nein Danke" too |
| 15:21.36 | MatthewWilkes | :D |
| 15:22.42 | MatthewWilkes | ah, best one: http://image.spreadshirt.net/image-server/v1/compositions/22898847/views/1,width=178,height=178,interlace=true/tomatensaft-nein-danke-t-shirts_design.png |
| 15:23.25 | kai | hehe |
| 15:23.31 | kai | I need that for my next plane trip |
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| 15:23.51 | MatthewWilkes | I was thinking the same |
| 15:26.29 | kai | MatthewWilkes: anyway, the "Genfood? Nein, danke!" stickers are often coupled with "Our producs are gene-free" signs |
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| 15:28.27 | MatthewWilkes | http://www.notesofberlin.com/2012/04/wir-haben-auch-salat.html is also a good one |
| 15:29.27 | MatthewWilkes | I love that site |
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| 15:31.41 | kai | hehe |
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| 20:01.22 | carols | it's so quiet in here these last few days :-) |
| 20:01.30 | carols | sounds like everyone's bonding with their community |
| 20:01.54 | MatthewWilkes | carols: It's a bit busier in european timezones |
| 20:02.07 | carols | MatthewWilkes: fair enough. maybe everyone's asleep |
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| 20:02.14 | carols | i know i am, somewhat |
| 20:02.19 | gevaerts | is busy sorting roman numerals |
| 20:02.27 | carols | gevaerts: how's that going? |
| 20:02.34 | MatthewWilkes | I've got a bit of post-dinner lethargy going on |
| 20:02.45 | gevaerts | carols: I managed to find the last one! |
| 20:02.49 | Lennie | Or they are all off playing Diablo 3 :P |
| 20:02.56 | MatthewWilkes | Top tip: 6 days of halloumi in a row is too much halloumi |
| 20:02.59 | gevaerts | (although I cheated by looking at a web page) |
| 20:02.59 | MatthewWilkes | I didn't think it was possible |
| 20:03.02 | carols | gevaerts: wow! that's amazing! |
| 20:03.08 | gevaerts | carols: it's 38 :) |
| 20:03.24 | carols | not 42? |
| 20:03.41 | gevaerts | No. The Romans apparently didn't consider this :) |
| 20:03.51 | carols | weird. |
| 20:04.06 | JordiGH | Btw, are the Google lawyers gonna chase me if I print my own GSoC tee shirts with the logo and give it away to my friends? I though the CC license allowed this as long as I don't sold the teeshirts. |
| 20:04.09 | gevaerts | XXXVIII sorts after XLII |
| 20:04.40 | carols | JordiGH: could you please email me about it and i'll check? |
| 20:04.44 | MatthewWilkes | gevaerts: M? |
| 20:05.00 | MatthewWilkes | man |
| 20:05.01 | MatthewWilkes | I get it now |
| 20:05.04 | MatthewWilkes | I win at slowest |
| 20:05.13 | gevaerts | I think it's a great factoid |
| 20:05.16 | JordiGH | carols: I don't really care that much. I'm not going to do it. Don't bother asking around. |
| 20:05.24 | carols | JordiGH: ok |
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| 20:06.37 | JordiGH | !logs |
| 20:06.37 | gsocbot | JordiGH: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
| 20:08.52 | JordiGH | carols: It's just about this exchange from yesterday: http://pastebin.com/AVsaKTLQ |
| 20:09.22 | carols | JordiGH: thanks |
| 20:14.55 | MatthewWilkes | why not get a tattoo of it instead? |
| 20:15.30 | JordiGH | That's the second worst idea I've heard today. |
| 20:16.32 | carols | what was the first? |
| 20:16.39 | censorydep | beat me to it. ;-) |
| 20:16.51 | carols | you and i think similarly, censorydep |
| 20:16.53 | carols | i wonder why. |
| 20:17.01 | censorydep | separated at birth? |
| 20:17.13 | carols | censorydep: you know, it wouldn't surprise me. |
| 20:17.30 | censorydep | :-) |
| 20:17.46 | JordiGH | carols and censorydep sitting on a tree. |
| 20:18.02 | carols | JordiGH: dangerous territory, my friend. |
| 20:18.25 | JordiGH | Sorry. You two are cute. |
| 20:18.25 | Catfish_Man | yeah, a branch could break, someone could slip, all sorts of terrible things that could happen |
| 20:18.36 | carols | what Catfish_Man said :-) |
| 20:18.39 | censorydep | now I have rockaby baby in my head. :-p |
| 20:18.48 | Catfish_Man | censorydep: that song is so weird |
| 20:19.20 | censorydep | totally. It's right up there with Ring Around the Rosey. We make songs out of some messed up stuff. |
| 20:19.43 | JordiGH | censorydep: I thought the macabre origin of Ring Around the Rosey was mistaken folk etymology. |
| 20:20.38 | JordiGH | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_around_the_rosey#Plague_interpretation |
| 20:21.02 | carols | i learn something new everyday. |
| 20:21.46 | gevaerts | carols: it's even more fun if you're unlikely to ever need the new knowledge :) |
| 20:21.54 | censorydep | ditto. Thanks for bringing the hammer of truth JordiGH. |
| 20:22.15 | carols | gevaerts: indeed |
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| 20:22.32 | Catfish_Man | censorydep: how about "London Bridge Is Falling Down"? |
| 20:23.07 | censorydep | doesn't want to posit a theory before checking sources first. ;-) |
| 20:23.14 | MatthewWilkes | I like London Bridge |
| 20:23.16 | censorydep | but yes, another example. |
| 20:23.24 | MatthewWilkes | there's a tea museum right by there |
| 20:23.50 | gevaerts | MatthewWilkes: which one? The old one or the new one? |
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| 20:24.12 | Catfish_Man | found a genuine miscompile in clang yesterday :) |
| 20:24.14 | MatthewWilkes | gevaerts: The old one when it was in London, the new one now |
| 20:25.41 | JordiGH | Catfish_Man: A miscompile? You mean a clang bug? |
| 20:25.46 | Catfish_Man | yeah |
| 20:26.04 | Catfish_Man | wasted a whole day because I assumed it couldn't possibly be a compiler bug |
| 20:28.36 | JordiGH | What was the nature of the bug, and did you have to read assembly to find it? |
| 20:28.40 | JordiGH | is curious. |
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| 20:29.16 | Catfish_Man | JordiGH: misoptimizing if (localPtr == globalPtr) to if (0) |
| 20:29.19 | Catfish_Man | and yes I did |
| 20:29.37 | Catfish_Man | though the fact that it only occurs at -O2 was a definite tipoff |
| 20:30.14 | JordiGH | Interesting. |
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| 20:30.31 | JordiGH | Now impress your friends and submit a patch for it. :D |
| 20:30.39 | Catfish_Man | heh. No thank you |
| 20:30.48 | Catfish_Man | Filed it, found a version that doesn't have it, and moved on |
| 20:31.03 | JordiGH | Well, next best thing. |
| 20:31.06 | Catfish_Man | my own silly fault for using bleeding edge compilers, really |
| 20:31.12 | Catfish_Man | (this isn't in a shipping version) |
| 20:34.58 | luite | my favourite compiler bug is still the one in a development version of ghc (haskell compiler) that would delete the source file if there was a type error |
| 20:35.21 | Catfish_Man | luite: that'll teach people to be careful ;) |
| 20:35.55 | gevaerts | luite: why was that considered a bug? :) |
| 20:36.16 | ChrisOelmueller | it didn't delete the file if it contained no errors |
| 20:36.19 | luite | hehe yes, some people consider that an appropriate way of dealing with type errors :) |
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| 20:37.53 | JordiGH | Well, it certainly fixed the type error. |
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| 20:38.43 | Catfish_Man | luite: I recently did clang testcase.m -o testcase.m |
| 20:38.46 | Catfish_Man | with similar results |
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| 20:39.07 | luite | hehe i'd say that's more user error than type error though :p |
| 20:39.38 | JordiGH | .m ? |
| 20:39.41 | JordiGH | Objective C, right? |
| 20:39.43 | Catfish_Man | JordiGH: yeah |
| 20:39.54 | JordiGH | Three languages share that extension... |
| 20:40.13 | Catfish_Man | heh |
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| 20:40.24 | Catfish_Man | and C++ has like 12 extensions all to itself ;) |
| 20:40.49 | JordiGH | I prefer .c++ myself. |
| 20:40.56 | JordiGH | Just to troll people with ancient filesystems. |
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| 20:42.59 | JordiGH | And because .cpp is "C preprocessor". |
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| 22:51.49 | tgodar | any of you whiz kids working on Google Visualization API? |
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