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| 08:07.06 | mdim | ACM is having a nice "announcements rate" when it comes to delivering all kind of emails to new members |
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| 08:34.36 | buffyg_laptop | Question: the FAQ item that development should be done in the open, how far should we take that? We were going to allow students to have private repos for WIPs, with code moving to public repos as it's ready to commit. How stipulative is the policy in this regard? |
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| 08:36.28 | buffyg_laptop | We're asking students to push to WIP repos every few days to allow us to monitor progress. I'd rather prefer that work with those kinds of commit policies not have to public, as relatively frequent commits are going to be slightly ugly in places. My view is that students shouldn't have to make code that's not ready for review public. |
| 08:37.53 | gevaerts | buffyg_laptop: "public" doesn't have to mean "main well-advertised repository" |
| 08:38.10 | gevaerts | I understand it as "it's accessible for anyone", nothing more |
| 08:39.13 | buffyg_laptop | gevaerts: We're putting work on github, so I don't believe that approach is an option. |
| 08:40.46 | gevaerts | I think I'd try to steer the students to small manageable commits rather than pure WIP commits that may or may not even compile |
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| 08:43.52 | buffyg_laptop | We want regular WIP commits as a way to monitor activity, separate from commits to our repos. We'd hope that the latter commits would be sufficient to satisfy the policy. |
| 08:44.44 | buffyg_laptop | (commits to our regular project repos, that is) |
| 08:44.45 | gevaerts | I would expect so |
| 08:45.01 | gevaerts | Unless you plan on only having one commit at the end :) |
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| 08:47.29 | gevaerts | I'm not entirely sure if that system might not make it harder to have nice clean commits in the end (depending on what a WIP commit means precisely). If a WIP commit is basically an end of day commit of everything, it might be a bit tricky to unravel that into logically consistent commits |
| 08:47.50 | gevaerts | That's not a gsoc issue though |
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| 08:51.32 | buffyg_laptop | We use hg with the cadmium extension, so you can use hg recommit to reduce all your WIP commits to a single effective changeset. |
| 08:52.22 | gevaerts | Reducing to a single changeset should be easy, yes, but is that always what you want? I'd expect you to want multiple changesets at least some of the time |
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| 17:12.00 | agliodbs | !card |
| 17:12.10 | agliodbs | !payment |
| 17:12.10 | gsocbot | agliodbs: "payment" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/studentpaymentcards |
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| 19:26.35 | carols | serves some tea and coffee |
| 19:26.44 | carols | i guess everyone's hard at work on their gsoc projects :-) |
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| 19:27.23 | dfighter | takes some tea |
| 19:27.50 | dfighter | yes we all are, but how fortunate we are telecommuters, we can drink your tea while at it :P |
| 19:27.52 | censorydep | drinks some coffee |
| 19:28.30 | gevaerts | considers some coffee to go with his drink :) |
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| 19:34.16 | JordiGH | Cool, that's what the package looks like? http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-LZ9E3wvnJMg/T7ZjUbm9IkI/AAAAAAAAAlo/od1u-vYVVkM/s1600/P5180010.JPG |
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| 19:36.50 | flaushy | yeah... except the pen was missing in mine ;) |
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| 19:37.41 | flaushy | and my notebook had blue plastics |
| 19:38.09 | JordiGH | tries to read the numbers on the card. |
| 19:38.12 | shapr | I got a red pen, and a green notebook like in the picture. |
| 19:38.16 | flaushy | i tried too ;) |
| 19:38.24 | JordiGH | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vxq9yj2pVWk |
| 19:38.30 | shapr | I put the sticker on my laptop immediately. |
| 19:39.00 | shapr | I'm tempted to refill/reuse my card just because it looks so nifty :-) |
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| 19:42.27 | dfighter | my notebook has yellow plastic stuff and got a green pen http://dfighter1985.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/sdc10077.jpg |
| 19:42.55 | dfighter | what I was surprised about was that it took a grand total of 3 days to actually deliver the package |
| 19:43.25 | dfighter | the world has become pretty small :) |
| 19:43.33 | Kaetemi | nice |
| 19:43.36 | JordiGH | Where to? |
| 19:43.39 | flaushy | i am always amazed at fedex speed (when i order something from ti) |
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| 19:43.48 | flaushy | in my case usa to germany |
| 19:43.50 | dfighter | I am in Hungary |
| 19:44.12 | JordiGH | I wonder how it works out for more recondite locations. |
| 19:45.10 | dfighter | like? |
| 19:45.19 | dfighter | on top of the Mount Everest or something? |
| 19:45.36 | JordiGH | Well, yeah, India. |
| 19:45.49 | flaushy | well, fedex is not great at delivery to home addresses |
| 19:45.55 | JordiGH | Oh, it's Fedex? |
| 19:45.59 | JordiGH | I thought they relied on local mail. |
| 19:45.59 | flaushy | yepe |
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| 19:46.07 | dfighter | it's fedex alright |
| 19:46.18 | dfighter | http://dfighter1985.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/sdc10076.jpg |
| 19:46.18 | JordiGH | Yeah, the world's a small place if you pay the right price. |
| 19:46.21 | dfighter | that was the package |
| 19:46.45 | flaushy | fedex cooperates with local firms for delivery :) |
| 19:47.18 | dfighter | the local fedex in my case |
| 19:47.37 | flaushy | bicycle transporters |
| 19:47.50 | dfighter | http://dfighter1985.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/2012-05-18_0001.jpg this was the route it took |
| 19:48.01 | flaushy | if i miss them i "could" pick it up 150 km away |
| 19:48.06 | JordiGH | Actually, is Mt Everest in India or Nepal? |
| 19:48.41 | JordiGH | Nepal. D: |
| 19:48.46 | JordiGH | is an ignoramus |
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| 19:51.24 | JordiGH | It's pretty impressive how much money Google is spending on this before they even directly pay students or mentors or orgs. |
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| 19:51.42 | argonel | big companies get a better rate on shipping |
| 19:51.51 | JordiGH | Does this even get written off as tax-deductible charity? |
| 19:51.59 | dfighter | also Google is a very profitable company |
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| 19:52.11 | JordiGH | Can someone really be spending this much money just out of the goodness of their hearts? |
| 19:52.13 | dfighter | remember they've just bought Motorola Mobility with change money |
| 19:52.24 | flaushy | hmm i think it is a good advertisement for google where everyone gets a profit out of it |
| 19:52.47 | flaushy | they could just rent a couple of hours ad time on tv for the same price |
| 19:52.52 | JordiGH | So what, they're doing this for good PR? |
| 19:52.52 | dfighter | JordiGH considering they use open source software too, it's more of an investment than gifts |
| 19:53.11 | JordiGH | dfighter: They don't care about the vast majority of software they're supporting with GSoC. |
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| 19:53.16 | censorydep | from everything I have seen, Google really believes in the value of open source technology, uses a fair bit of it, and wants to give back to the community. |
| 19:53.22 | flaushy | JordiGH: i dont know, i know tho that they get a good image by doing it (which is ok) |
| 19:53.35 | censorydep | full disclosure: I'm a Googler, so I'm admittedly biased. ;-) |
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| 19:53.38 | JordiGH | censorydep: Nobody is that good. o.O |
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| 19:54.22 | flaushy | i think it is a nice program :) |
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| 19:54.39 | censorydep | We're certainly trying our best to be that good. I think opinions wildly vary as to how successful we are. :-p |
| 19:55.00 | dfighter | censorydep what do you do at Google? |
| 19:55.43 | censorydep | I'm a product manager at YouTube |
| 19:56.02 | dfighter | oh I see |
| 19:57.23 | JordiGH | http://xkcd.com/792/ |
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| 19:58.19 | JordiGH | I wonder who wear her hair up like that in the bottom left panel. |
| 19:58.27 | censorydep | ha! True, we're bad at that. ;-) |
| 19:58.31 | censorydep | (someone in marketing) |
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| 23:15.11 | Ingeniumed | Arguably Google does love open source, I mean look at Android and Chromium OS as well Chromium Browser: all open sourced by them, despite the fact that they knew they could have charged for it |
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| 23:31.36 | agliodbs | Ingeniumed: none of those would have been successful as proprietary SW |
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