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| 04:51.02 | nrbafna_ | !logs |
| 04:51.02 | gsocbot | nrbafna_: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
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| 04:52.25 | nrbafna_ | Anyone from google here, who could help me out? Since Carol isn't here... |
| 05:01.42 | sharvey | nrbafna_: ? |
| 05:01.43 | sharvey | O |
| 05:01.47 | sharvey | I'm not with google |
| 05:01.51 | sharvey | but maybe you should just ask your question |
| 05:02.29 | nrbafna_ | it's regarding the welcome package. |
| 05:02.57 | sharvey | did you not get yours? |
| 05:03.31 | sharvey | also, carol is in the west coast of the US, so she probably won't be awake for another 10 hours |
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| 05:03.39 | sharvey | and even if she was, it's memorial day in the US today |
| 05:04.30 | nrbafna_ | i had already mailed Carol regarding some days back. |
| 05:05.13 | sharvey | did it get resolved? |
| 05:05.26 | sharvey | she probably won't be around until tuesday |
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| 17:25.08 | AmberJ | Hello |
| 17:25.21 | AmberJ | Anyone else who didn't got ACM membership email? |
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| 17:25.40 | AmberJ | I emailed Carol about this... |
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| 17:34.46 | sharvey | AmberJ: you'll have to wait till tomorrow |
| 17:34.50 | sharvey | today is a US holiday |
| 17:35.21 | AmberJ | ok thanks :) |
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| 17:48.49 | somaen | What is the expected amount of hours for a GSoC-workload? I thought it was a full 37.5 hour week, but the FAQ from 2011 lists 20 hours. |
| 17:49.25 | somaen | Although 37.5 would put the hourly wage at ~11 USD... |
| 17:49.56 | simonl | somaen: It's supposed to be full time |
| 17:50.18 | somaen | Yeah, that's why I wondered about the "default is 20 hours" in the 2011 FAQ. |
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| 17:50.46 | somaen | I expected to calculate in ~7 hours a day Mon-Fri. |
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| 17:51.06 | somaen | Would that fit the description, or be over/under it? |
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| 17:51.58 | simonl | do you have a link to the answer in question? |
| 17:52.39 | somaen | "[Your Full Legal Name as It Appears on Your Student ID] worked as a Student Developer for [How many? Default is 20] hours per week, beginning May 21, 2012 and ending on August 20, 2012." <- http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/studentinfo |
| 17:52.53 | somaen | Under the heading: "Students Needing Letters to Establish Curricular Practical Training" |
| 17:53.29 | simonl | ah, I'm in the wrong faq (that link is for 2012 for one thing) :) |
| 17:53.51 | somaen | Well, I just changed it from 2011 |
| 17:53.56 | somaen | To verify that the same was stated |
| 17:54.19 | somaen | a quick s/2012/2011/g will show the same statement in 2011 |
| 17:54.26 | simonl | that is "just" a letter detailing a workload suitable for a specific uni course |
| 17:54.28 | simonl | ok |
| 17:54.43 | somaen | Yes, but why would that be understated? |
| 17:54.45 | simonl | to make it possible for a student to get course credits |
| 17:54.54 | simonl | I don't really know |
| 17:55.09 | simonl | but my guess is that it is to match the size of the course |
| 17:55.10 | somaen | Anyhow, it doesn't really matter, as i've taken on the workload I stated, if it's more, it's more, if it's less, it's less. |
| 17:55.16 | somaen | Results matter more than hours, I hope. |
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| 17:55.27 | simonl | but I don't really see why any school would fail someone for working too much :P |
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| 17:55.52 | somaen | Neh, though, the requirement here is "full time employment" |
| 17:56.02 | somaen | And, I don't see how 20 would be full-time |
| 17:56.13 | somaen | Sounds more like 50% to me. |
| 17:56.18 | simonl | no but a course might be 4 weeks of full time work |
| 17:56.27 | simonl | or similar |
| 17:57.00 | simonl | so 3 months of full time work would be *a lot* more than the course requires :) |
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| 17:57.33 | simonl | I don't think it will be a problem getting a letter saying 40h/week |
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| 18:06.46 | alex|D-Guy | that's what I also wonder - how many hrs per week shall be filled with student work? |
| 18:07.30 | dfighter | GSOC is considered full time as someone has already said so |
| 18:07.31 | alex|D-Guy | I thought 20 - so 5*4 hrs, because I thought it's a "part-time job" only |
| 18:07.38 | alex|D-Guy | duh |
| 18:07.38 | alex|D-Guy | ok |
| 18:07.39 | alex|D-Guy | :D |
| 18:07.56 | jceel_ | alex|D-Guy, in my case its about 30hrs per week |
| 18:08.17 | alex|D-Guy | I mean, i'm studying and have to go to lectures and stuff |
| 18:08.28 | alex|D-Guy | don't forget learning for exams |
| 18:08.31 | dfighter | it's in the FAQ btw, so all you would have had to do is read it... |
| 18:08.36 | dfighter | but I guess it's too much to ask |
| 18:08.41 | jceel_ | some orgs can accept as low as 20hrs/week and others force students to work for 40hrs |
| 18:08.43 | dfighter | and pointless to write a FAQ anyways |
| 18:08.59 | alex|D-Guy | .. I assume I skipped that part |
| 18:08.59 | thiago | most orgs will rate you on results, not on time spent |
| 18:09.01 | alex|D-Guy | ;D |
| 18:09.05 | thiago | there's no time card |
| 18:09.06 | alex|D-Guy | that's for sure |
| 18:09.40 | thiago | most orgs will also adjust their expectations to your time constraints. The only thing is that your time constraints were well-known before. |
| 18:09.54 | thiago | this is an advice given during the project proposal time |
| 18:09.58 | thiago | not after you've been accepted |
| 18:10.45 | alex|D-Guy | I mean, in my proposal I just made week-based estimations |
| 18:11.00 | alex|D-Guy | but ok, my mentor mentioned 30 hrs |
| 18:11.06 | thiago | if you can accomplish those in 20 hours or in the weekend, that's fine |
| 18:11.34 | thiago | we give the advice that you should expect to work 30 to 40 hours so that you don't get ideas about getting an internship at the same time |
| 18:11.52 | thiago | gsoc is a full-time activity and, of course, exams and school come first |
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| 18:12.38 | alex|D-Guy | lol doing a second job besides gsoc? dafuq I can have 5k$, isn't that enough for 3 months? :D |
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| 18:12.53 | somaen | 5k$ is rather low here. |
| 18:12.56 | somaen | for 3 months |
| 18:13.02 | alex|D-Guy | where are you from? |
| 18:13.06 | alex|D-Guy | I'm from germany btw |
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| 18:13.40 | somaen | Norway |
| 18:13.47 | thiago | $1500 per month is a lot more than my first internship (which was a part-time gig) |
| 18:14.22 | thiago | but yeah, $1500 wouldn't pay my rent here in Norway |
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| 18:14.51 | somaen | Seeing wages as low as 100 NOK/hr is rare, which would put 3 months of full time at 7500 USD-ish. |
| 18:15.06 | thiago | we're not talking about jobs |
| 18:15.12 | thiago | gsoc should be compared to internships |
| 18:15.14 | somaen | So, it's nothing to get fat from, especially after taxes. |
| 18:15.45 | alex|D-Guy | :okay: |
| 18:15.53 | somaen | thiago: Yes, I know, afaik internships pay around 100 NOK/hr. |
| 18:15.56 | thiago | oh, for the three months? Right, 15000 NOK/month makes sense. |
| 18:16.00 | somaen | Although, some might go a lot lower. |
| 18:16.07 | jceel_ | somaen, how much is norway income tax now? about 80%? :D |
| 18:16.09 | somaen | Like 90 or something. |
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| 18:16.13 | somaen | jceel_: 40% |
| 18:16.17 | thiago | jceel_: depends on your tax bracket |
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| 18:16.28 | jceel_ | somaen, 40% is still about 38% too much |
| 18:16.30 | somaen | Well, that's 40% before all the deductions. |
| 18:16.54 | somaen | jceel_: Neh, I feel it's ok, given how much freeloading I've done on the state already. |
| 18:17.22 | somaen | Student loans and stipends put together, I guess I've cost the state atleast 100K USD already. |
| 18:17.23 | simonl | I think the 30% here is quite reasonable |
| 18:17.24 | thiago | 15k per month is 180k per year, which I think puts you at 20% or lower |
| 18:17.36 | thiago | has already thrown away the 2012 taxes booklet |
| 18:17.39 | jceel_ | well, in poland it's 19% and it's way way too much |
| 18:18.02 | jceel_ | for our market |
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| 18:18.27 | somaen | The alternative would of course be to have a more US-like solution, with private healthcare etc, it lowers taxes sure, but not completely |
| 18:18.30 | simonl | jceel_: How much do you pay for education, healthcare and such (really, I'm wondering) |
| 18:18.40 | somaen | You still have to pay for health insurance etc. |
| 18:18.53 | thiago | actually, it's 22.5% |
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| 18:18.55 | simonl | I think the us system mostly leads to misery :( |
| 18:19.02 | somaen | And, higher education tends to cost a bit more if you're on a lower tax. |
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| 18:19.14 | jceel_ | health insurance isn't implicit in poland |
| 18:19.15 | somaen | I pay USD 100 per semester in tuition |
| 18:19.24 | simonl | in sweden, all education is free |
| 18:19.27 | somaen | books are still my biggest study-related expenditure |
| 18:19.27 | jceel_ | in theory it's "free" but you must be engaged into work od study to get it |
| 18:19.38 | jceel_ | or* |
| 18:19.54 | somaen | simonl: Completely free, or is books and materials not covered? |
| 18:20.13 | simonl | well, in a low-tax economy, education is expensive |
| 18:20.14 | simonl | oh |
| 18:20.23 | simonl | books are not covered |
| 18:20.50 | simonl | all other (non-trivial) equipment is supplied by the school |
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| 18:21.16 | simonl | unless you want to have your own of course, and most do :) |
| 18:21.33 | simonl | who wants to live without a computer ^^ |
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| 18:22.47 | somaen | Ah, same as here then. |
| 18:23.05 | somaen | Although, you have to pay a minimal tuition, mostly to verify that you are studying |
| 18:23.22 | somaen | The equivalent of 10 beers/semester in tuition, isn't really heavy. |
| 18:23.32 | somaen | (to put NOK in something people can relate to) |
| 18:23.44 | simonl | there used to be such a fee here too, but not to the school directly |
| 18:23.50 | gevaerts | somaen: isn't beer rather expensive over there? |
| 18:24.03 | simonl | (it was a similar price in beer-units) |
| 18:24.06 | somaen | Well, this is not directly to the school either, it's to the student community or something. |
| 18:24.11 | somaen | it _IS_ required though. |
| 18:24.26 | thiago | a beer costs at least $10 |
| 18:24.31 | somaen | gevaerts: ~10 USD/0.5l |
| 18:24.44 | simonl | somaen: y, that was what we had, but it was removed last year or maybe two years ago |
| 18:25.11 | simonl | thiago: that is one monster-luxury-gold beer :D |
| 18:25.11 | somaen | That is a "Hamilton per pint" to the metrically challenged. |
| 18:25.27 | somaen | (Yes I had to google the $10 president) |
| 18:25.49 | gevaerts | isn't used to USD as a currency, but he gets the idea :) |
| 18:25.51 | somaen | simonl: I've paid similar beer prices in the US |
| 18:25.58 | somaen | Although, that was in Vegas. |
| 18:26.07 | thiago | £5 to 6 then |
| 18:26.13 | gevaerts | Beer is a bit cheaper over here |
| 18:26.14 | simonl | well, at a pub or a bar that's about right |
| 18:26.23 | thiago | 6 to 7 € |
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| 18:26.46 | somaen | simonl: In stores? around 4-5 $ |
| 18:27.03 | simonl | but from "systembolaget" (the only store allowed to sell beverages of more than 3.5% alcohol) it's much cheaper :) |
| 18:27.04 | somaen | you might get the cheaper stuff for 1-2$ |
| 18:27.15 | simonl | no, more like $2 |
| 18:27.16 | somaen | simonl: Folköl costs less than water |
| 18:27.20 | somaen | and contains less alcohol. |
| 18:27.22 | somaen | :P |
| 18:27.28 | simonl | haha :) |
| 18:27.56 | simonl | and yeah, that's the lower bound. Theres always more exclusive kinds :) |
| 18:28.07 | somaen | Hmm, IIRC, Systembolaget has prices around 20% or so lower, in SEK, which is about 20% less worth than NOK. |
| 18:28.42 | simonl | never been to norway so wouldn't really know |
| 18:29.00 | simonl | but it seems reasonable, norway is supposedly more expensive :) |
| 18:29.06 | somaen | For the non-drinking crowd though, a litre of gas is about $3, which should be around $12/gallon |
| 18:29.13 | thiago | so norwegians come back with a carful of alcohol and meat when they go to Sweden |
| 18:29.32 | somaen | thiago: Don't forget the tobacco, although that is declining these days. |
| 18:29.46 | thiago | 18 NOK/l ? It's that high already? |
| 18:29.46 | somaen | Sweden has 1/3 of the price on that. |
| 18:29.57 | simonl | the summer two years ago the smuggling was about butter IIRC :D |
| 18:29.57 | somaen | thiago: I was working with 5 NOK/Dollar |
| 18:30.00 | somaen | quick math you know |
| 18:30.03 | thiago | hasn't seen the prices because he doesn't need a car in Oslo |
| 18:30.09 | somaen | but no, it's at 15 NOK/l |
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| 18:30.22 | thiago | but hey, single bus fare is $4.50 |
| 18:30.23 | somaen | But I didn't want to do the decimals |
| 18:30.38 | somaen | thiago: That isn't too far of from what I saw in San Jose |
| 18:30.58 | somaen | I _think_ it was $3 single fare, $5 full day. |
| 18:31.23 | somaen | One of the few things that didn't give you a pocketload of useless change in the US. |
| 18:31.36 | Catfish_Man | somaen: south bay transit system is terrible :( |
| 18:31.37 | somaen | (Yes, I'm looking at you silly 1-cent coin) |
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| 18:31.45 | Catfish_Man | somaen: no transfers, expensive, unreliable |
| 18:31.51 | somaen | Catfish_Man: Beats the norwegian one most days. |
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| 18:32.11 | Catfish_Man | somaen: I'm spoiled by San Francisco and Portland :) |
| 18:32.24 | somaen | Catfish_Man: Tried the SF one too. |
| 18:32.40 | somaen | Although, as a tourist, I also did the cable car thing. |
| 18:32.47 | somaen | Which was EXPENSIVE. |
| 18:32.54 | Catfish_Man | the cable car is an amusement park ride, not a transportation system ;) |
| 18:33.03 | Catfish_Man | Muni isn't as good as it could be, but $2, with transfers, and going basically everywhere I want, I'll take it |
| 18:33.12 | somaen | What was cheap everywhere though, was cabs. |
| 18:33.37 | somaen | Here you usually start at $30 for a cab ride. |
| 18:33.43 | thiago | inserted a $10 bill into a Bart automaton to buy a round-trip to Oakland |
| 18:33.51 | thiago | it returned a bunch of dimes, slowly |
| 18:33.56 | Catfish_Man | ahahaha |
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| 18:34.14 | somaen | I still have a pocket full of US change, which I won't ever get rid of |
| 18:34.26 | Catfish_Man | bart is funny. I like it, but I can't figure out why. It's objectively worse than muni in nearly every way |
| 18:34.36 | thiago | I used it in the office cantina, then complemented with the credit card |
| 18:35.00 | somaen | The ONE thing that did my brain in in the US, was the gratuity |
| 18:35.28 | somaen | Yes, it was a decent way of getting rid of change, but also something that was hard to get used to when doing mental arithmetic on prices. |
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| 18:35.55 | thiago | I used the "add something and round up" rule |
| 18:36.09 | Catfish_Man | somaen: I'm a fan of the "right shift, then multiply by 2" technique |
| 18:36.29 | thiago | but in California, when dining in a group, you need a calculator anyway because the menu doesn't include the tax |
| 18:36.42 | somaen | I usually just looked at my change, and considered if it was ~10-15% |
| 18:36.51 | somaen | If it was low, I added another dollar |
| 18:36.53 | Catfish_Man | thiago: sigh, yeah |
| 18:37.00 | Catfish_Man | it's pretty silly |
| 18:37.00 | thiago | in Oregon, at least, calculating gratuity is much simpler (no sales tax to add) |
| 18:37.14 | somaen | The group dinners I had in SF, mostly had autograt |
| 18:37.21 | somaen | 18% iirc. |
| 18:37.46 | somaen | Still can't see why they wouldn't just increase prices 18% from the get go. |
| 18:38.36 | Catfish_Man | deceptive advertising basically. |
| 18:38.46 | Catfish_Man | if it *looks* cheaper, people not being careful will think it is |
| 18:39.51 | simonl | it feels like 50% of what comes from the US is stupidity :/ |
| 18:39.53 | thiago | which is probably why the law hasn't changed to include the tax in the price, like everywhere else does |
| 18:40.11 | simonl | I get it's probably a cultural thing |
| 18:40.23 | simonl | but still, it gets so complicated |
| 18:40.39 | Catfish_Man | simonl: I was reading about systembolaget's rules on wikipedia after it was mentioned earlier. That also seems pretty stupid ;) |
| 18:40.48 | thiago | someone is going to complain that businesses operating near or across state borders will instead simply have a higher profit in the state with lower tax |
| 18:40.55 | Catfish_Man | I think I'm pretty safe in arguing that the primary export of nearly every culture is dumb ideas |
| 18:41.06 | simonl | probably |
| 18:41.35 | somaen | Here in norway, gratuity is almost never expected. We do round up to full bills at times though. |
| 18:42.11 | simonl | as for systembolaget, from a consumer perspective it's stupid and complicated. But it also has a few merits in public health |
| 18:42.36 | Catfish_Man | somaen: I've never been able to decide how I feel about gratuity. On the one hand, it's essentially directly-performance-based pay. On the other hand it leaves people in wait staff at the mercy of random jerks in restaurants |
| 18:42.48 | simonl | but then comes the _real_ stupidity: It's a company that has been granted monopoly on alcohol, but it is owned by a french company |
| 18:42.57 | thiago | somaen: I sometimes add something close to 10% and round up |
| 18:43.15 | thiago | somaen: but I have a friend who was appalled at our not giving 15% |
| 18:43.24 | gevaerts | simonl: this is the same country that got its king from France? |
| 18:43.55 | somaen | thiago: I would consider 10% a decent gratuity over here |
| 18:44.04 | somaen | in the US, people considered 10% to be low |
| 18:44.04 | simonl | gevaerts: I think so, a looong time ago :) |
| 18:44.07 | somaen | or the very minimum |
| 18:44.18 | gevaerts | simonl: that might explain things then :) |
| 18:44.22 | somaen | simonl: All the kings are related anyhow, who cares where they came from? |
| 18:44.49 | Catfish_Man | somaen: the difference comes from whether gratuity is a bonus, or an expected part of their normal pay |
| 18:45.02 | somaen | Catfish_Man: Yes, that's what does my head in. |
| 18:45.13 | simonl | well, it's stupid because it wasn't always so. Systembolaget used to be owned by the government but it was sold to the private sector a few years ago |
| 18:45.17 | gevaerts | somaen: this one was rather anti-king before |
| 18:45.18 | thiago | my feeling is that the salary should pay for the person's livelihood |
| 18:45.24 | thiago | gratuities should be extras |
| 18:45.44 | somaen | Well, survival is a good incentive |
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| 18:46.10 | somaen | simonl: We do have our own Systembolaget-variant over here, albeit a bit more expensive. |
| 18:46.30 | somaen | And, it closes about 10 hours earlier than the US liqour stores of course. |
| 18:46.34 | simonl | the nordic countries have the same basic model, don't they? |
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| 18:46.46 | somaen | Don't think denmark does |
| 18:46.54 | simonl | maybe not |
| 18:46.57 | somaen | 16 years age limit for hard liqour over there too |
| 18:47.01 | simonl | but finland has Alko |
| 18:47.16 | simonl | Greeeeat name :) |
| 18:47.39 | thiago | well, "vinmonopolet" expresses its intent as well |
| 18:47.39 | somaen | (But norway has 18 for everything below 22,5%, while Sweden has 20 for anything above 3.5%) |
| 18:47.48 | thiago | "systembolaget" is generic |
| 18:47.53 | simonl | 16 years limit seems low |
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| 18:48.14 | somaen | Indeed. I was rather shocked when entering Roskilde Festival a few years back |
| 18:48.20 | simonl | by swedish thinking, the 16 year olds will buy for the 14 year olds so... |
| 18:48.32 | somaen | "It is illegal to sell liqour to persons below 16 years of age"... |
| 18:48.41 | somaen | was the first sign I saw. |
| 18:49.46 | thiago | well, could be worse |
| 18:50.09 | somaen | Which, according to that "swedish-thinking" would mean "booze is available to whoever wants it" |
| 18:50.11 | thiago | the one in French talks about "mineurs", the French word for "minors" but also the word for "miners" |
| 18:50.18 | thiago | so I was pretty confused |
| 18:50.26 | somaen | thiago: "Don't drink and mine" |
| 18:50.32 | simonl | haha :) |
| 18:50.45 | somaen | Reminds me of the "Miners in suggestive poses"-meme |
| 18:50.49 | Catfish_Man | heh |
| 18:50.51 | thiago | "miners must be protected from public drunkness" |
| 18:51.42 | somaen | Yeah, those pick-axes are dangerous. |
| 18:52.45 | thiago | well, the Oslo underground has a sign saying "barn bør leies" meaning "children must be paid attention to" |
| 18:53.08 | thiago | but the word "leies" could also be read as "be rented" |
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| 18:56.19 | somaen | Speaking of norwegian puns, I still can't have a punless conversation in norwegian about the "D"-programming language, "D" is equivalent to the word "Det", which means "that/it", making any sentence like "I'm writing it in D", sound like "I'm writing D in D" |
| 18:57.30 | gevaerts | somaen: I usually solve that issue by not having many conversations in norwegian about D :) |
| 18:57.31 | somaen | or "I'm writing it in that". |
| 18:57.49 | somaen | gevaerts: I have a friend that is a D-fan. |
| 18:57.59 | somaen | Making such conversations common. |
| 18:58.26 | somaen | The language is quite good really. (<- Yet another sentence that makes for problems ;) |
| 18:58.56 | Catfish_Man | D is interesting. Taking bad ideas (strings as character arrays, for example), and refining them so far they turn somewhat good again |
| 18:59.24 | gevaerts | Catfish_Man: what's wrong with strings as character arrays? |
| 18:59.41 | Catfish_Man | gevaerts: well, the way C does them (not carrying a length) has perf/security/stability issues |
| 18:59.53 | Catfish_Man | but the bigger issue (which D doesn't solve afaik? I haven't looked) is unicode |
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| 19:00.07 | somaen | IIRC, D also solves the template-problem by making it even MORE powerfull |
| 19:00.18 | gevaerts | Ah yes, that specific style of strings as character arrays has issues :) |
| 19:00.35 | simonl | somaen: that is not possible, c++ templates are turing complete, right? |
| 19:00.39 | somaen | char-array with length included would fix the problem with char-arrays though. |
| 19:00.48 | somaen | simonl: Yes, but you can mixin-templates in D |
| 19:01.10 | somaen | i.e. parse strings as D-code, and use them if I understood it correctly |
| 19:02.01 | simonl | c++ can only do that if you write some kind of c++ interpreter entirely in templates :D |
| 19:02.09 | simonl | that would be fun |
| 19:02.18 | simonl | for some definition of "fun" |
| 19:03.30 | somaen | with templates in C++, the compiler basically does the same job as the Java VM |
| 19:03.43 | somaen | it BECOMES the runtime-environment for your program, if you're evil enough. |
| 19:04.08 | somaen | Want to compute something, why wait till the program is compiled, do it compile-time :P |
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| 19:04.49 | simonl | yeah, want to see the error, here take a look at this dump of some random template parsing state |
| 19:05.17 | somaen | clang helps a bit with the readibility there, but it's still what I tend to call "compiler-puke" |
| 19:05.28 | Catfish_Man | my favorite one was the guy who wrote fizzbuzz using compile errors for string output |
| 19:05.38 | somaen | haha |
| 19:05.48 | somaen | I also like the guy that added gotos to Java |
| 19:06.11 | somaen | He had gotos to linenumbers no less. |
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| 23:12.14 | dberkholz | sigh. |
| 23:12.26 | dberkholz | we just got screwed by a student with a surprise internship. |
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| 23:18.00 | olasd | dberkholz: the thread on the mentors list? |
| 23:19.08 | dberkholz | nope, an independent instance |
| 23:19.19 | dberkholz | i don't need advice on what to do about it, just need to vent =) |
| 23:19.36 | olasd | yeah, sure |
| 23:20.10 | alex|D-Guy | dberkholz, will he be kicked out or what will happen to him? :D |
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| 23:22.35 | dberkholz | of course. |
| 23:23.15 | dberkholz | honesty is not optional |
| 23:23.20 | alex|D-Guy | sure |
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| 23:30.44 | sharvey | how does one have a "surprise internship"? |
| 23:31.59 | olasd | 1: apply for internship; 2: apply for GSoC; 3: get accepted for GSoC; 4: get accepted for your internship and ditch GSoC |
| 23:32.24 | sharvey | :( |
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