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| 09:05.35 | Henda | When trying to activate ATM transactions, I am asked for the account number + something else... what is that ? |
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| 09:11.14 | simonl | Henda: I don't remember, but could it be the the CVV ("Verification code")? |
| 09:11.58 | Henda | simonl, it says the pound key, or bound key or something like that... it is not clear :( |
| 09:12.34 | simonl | well, if it is, it should be the the three digits to the right of the signature strip on the back of the card |
| 09:13.08 | simonl | I have activated ATM transactions, but I don't remember exactly what I punched in |
| 09:14.01 | inukshuk | Henda: the pound symbol is `#' |
| 09:14.23 | Henda | inukshuk, oh I see |
| 09:14.44 | Henda | isn't that the hash character ? |
| 09:14.49 | simonl | oh, I parsed the response incorrectly :P |
| 09:14.58 | simonl | Henda: yeah |
| 09:15.22 | inukshuk | yes... I've heard it called `pound' though, so I think that's what you're looking for. |
| 09:15.29 | simonl | one char, many names :) |
| 09:16.02 | inukshuk | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_sign |
| 09:16.34 | inukshuk | Wikipedia to the rescue: it says it is usually called pound sign in American English |
| 09:16.34 | simonl | it is the right one, it sure isn't '*' which is the only other char on a tone dialer |
| 09:16.42 | simonl | or whatever it is called :P |
| 09:17.15 | inukshuk | It's probably called `asterisk' |
| 09:17.40 | simonl | inukshuk: yes, probably |
| 09:17.41 | inukshuk | Which is greek for `little star' -- good to know |
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| 09:18.26 | simonl | but what I was going for was that I don't know for sure it is called a "tone dialling phone" :) |
| 09:18.40 | Henda | And if someone wants to pay me... All I should give him is the 16 digits number ? |
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| 09:20.21 | simonl | apparently the '#' sign is also called octothorpe in telephony contexts :D |
| 09:20.34 | inukshuk | cool |
| 09:20.52 | inukshuk | `pound' is so prosaic anyway :) |
| 09:20.53 | simonl | "Please dial you card number, then press the octothorpe key to continue" :D |
| 09:21.06 | MatzeWilkes | simonl: Awesome |
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| 09:31.42 | |Kev| | At least it'd be less confusing. |
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| 09:32.29 | |Kev| | I know what an octothorpe is, and I know what the pound sign is, and only one of them looks like # :) |
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| 09:40.14 | kai | |Kev|: my phone doesn't have a ₤ key... |
| 09:40.59 | |Kev| | Unfortunately, I have no idea what's behind the ? that I get rendered ther. |
| 09:41.01 | |Kev| | +e |
| 09:41.11 | |Kev| | Whether it's a question mark, a square or a pound sign. |
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| 09:42.33 | kai | so your IRC client doesn't do utf-8 :) |
| 09:42.58 | |Kev| | Oh, the client does. |
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| 09:43.09 | kai | terminal, then? |
| 09:43.10 | |Kev| | As does the shell, and as does the terminal. |
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| 09:43.20 | |Kev| | But somewhere along something's not happy. |
| 09:44.07 | thebolt | hi kai, been a while, how're you doing? |
| 09:44.51 | kai | hey thebolt, doing great.. currently learning http://xkcd.com/1052/ for a theatre performance :) |
| 09:45.07 | kai | also working on my phd, of course, but that's peanuts ;) |
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| 09:57.45 | Henda | If someone wants to send money to the debit card... All I should give him is the 16 digits number ? And is using the card okay with Google ? |
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| 10:35.06 | kai | Henda: actually, I'd take the money off the card asap. we've had plenty of cases where the citi accounts were swiped in the last years |
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| 10:36.17 | Henda | kai, by Citibank ? Is that a problem specific to Citibank or only to card provided by Google ? |
| 10:36.53 | kai | no idea |
| 10:37.19 | kai | I just remember people complaining here, and Carol's advice to take the money off the citi account |
| 10:37.46 | kai | I'm not even sure if the cases were more widespread than they normally are |
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| 11:14.40 | kai | ok, that's annoying |
| 11:16.11 | kai | no python3 support for my application then |
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| 12:29.38 | edsiper | good morning all |
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| 17:20.23 | JordiGH | Can I use this channel's idle cycles to figure out how to read this image? http://jordi.platinum.linux.pl/tmp/test_1.tif.gz |
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| 17:21.46 | sharvey | it looks like a gzipped tiff? |
| 17:21.58 | JordiGH | Your powers of observation serve you well... |
| 17:22.01 | JordiGH | Now try to read the tiff. :-/ |
| 17:22.22 | JordiGH | It looks like a crazy mucked-up tiff. |
| 17:22.54 | JordiGH | I've tried imagemagick and gimp, and they both vomit on me when I try to read it. |
| 17:23.04 | sharvey | can you upload a nongzipped version? |
| 17:23.13 | JordiGH | No gunzip, eh? |
| 17:23.17 | sharvey | (I could probably ungzip it myself, but lazy) |
| 17:23.32 | JordiGH | I could upload a .rar version, if you prefer. |
| 17:23.32 | sharvey | I'm on windows, so, would be easier |
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| 17:23.35 | JordiGH | That's what I got. |
| 17:23.39 | sharvey | is the tiff gigantic? |
| 17:23.44 | JordiGH | It's two megs. |
| 17:23.49 | sharvey | oh |
| 17:23.49 | JordiGH | Hold on, I'll gunzip it. |
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| 17:24.24 | JordiGH | http://jordi.platinum.linux.pl/tmp/lol.tiff |
| 17:25.09 | sharvey | photoviewer cannot open |
| 17:25.12 | sharvey | hmm |
| 17:25.59 | JordiGH | Apparently Matlab can open it. |
| 17:26.12 | JordiGH | But nothing else I've tried so far can. |
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| 17:26.26 | JordiGH | Now gotta handle a bug report about some dude who can't open it in Octave. :-/ |
| 17:26.55 | sharvey | well |
| 17:27.34 | sharvey | do you know what application generated the tiff? |
| 17:27.47 | JordiGH | Nope. |
| 17:28.06 | sharvey | weird |
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| 17:35.38 | JordiGH | sharvey: You are now my authoritative "someone on the internet said": https://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/?36638#comment4 |
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| 17:48.07 | argonel | JordiGH: i got the error "Error: Directory Thumbnail with 1344 entries considered invalid; not read." |
| 17:48.19 | JordiGH | argonel: using what? |
| 17:48.35 | JordiGH | It looks like Matlab doesn't actually read this either. It just fails silently. |
| 17:48.40 | JordiGH | Maybe we should fail silently too! |
| 17:48.43 | argonel | JordiGH: gwenview |
| 17:49.10 | argonel | JordiGH: it rendered it as a 752x480 black rectangle |
| 17:49.15 | JordiGH | argonel: Ah, thanks. I tried eye of gnome. |
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| 17:49.45 | argonel | i didn't actually inspect the tiff data to see if theres an image in there though, i don't have a hexeditor handy |
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| 17:50.19 | sharvey | JordiGH: I have some more details from what windows picks up |
| 17:50.56 | JordiGH | Meh, it's a bad tiff, nobody likes it, Matlab just doesn't say it doesn't like it even though it does. I think the case is closed. |
| 17:51.07 | JordiGH | Even though it doesn't |
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| 17:51.25 | sharvey | I think it's a snapshot from a video |
| 17:51.44 | JordiGH | Ah, how did you figure this out? |
| 17:51.47 | JordiGH | You repaired it? |
| 17:51.58 | sharvey | no, windows picks up some metadata |
| 17:52.13 | sharvey | I think the application that generated it was devware.exe, version 3.0.1.5 |
| 17:52.23 | JordiGH | argonel: I looked at the hex with emacs. It does seem like there's an image in there. |
| 17:52.31 | sharvey | productName = Aptina Imaging DEMO2X |
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| 17:53.21 | argonel | JordiGH: just got another error "TIFFReadDirectory: Warning, test1: Bogus "StripByteCounts" field, ignoring and calculating from imagelength." |
| 17:53.58 | JordiGH | I got a bunch of those in eog. |
| 17:54.04 | argonel | seems to me you can say "this file is not standards-conforming, file a bug against whatever product generated it" |
| 17:54.59 | argonel | also got errors "Error fetching data for field" for ImageDescription, XResolution YResolution and DateTime |
| 17:55.50 | sharvey | I think some fields are off |
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| 17:56.02 | argonel | JordiGH: starting at offset 0210cf0 there is a bunch of text |
| 17:56.25 | JordiGH | argonel: Well, TIFF is a poorly spec'ed container format, so I'm not surprised. |
| 17:56.56 | JordiGH | argonel: It seems to be metadata. Run strings(1) on it. |
| 17:57.12 | JordiGH | argonel: TIFF isn't much of a standadrd. |
| 17:57.14 | JordiGH | standard |
| 17:57.22 | JordiGH | It's like .raw images: also not a standard at all. |
| 17:57.31 | argonel | ahh yes, much easier than xxd :p |
| 17:57.48 | argonel | whats amusing is that mcview pukes on the file too |
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| 17:58.43 | simonl | JordiGH: and some raw formats are tiff :D |
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| 17:58.57 | JordiGH | simonl: ftlols |
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| 18:01.02 | sharvey | JordiGH: crowdsourcing on gsoc channel works |
| 18:01.08 | sharvey | I'm still amuxed |
| 18:01.10 | sharvey | amused |
| 18:01.15 | JordiGH | You guys were being silent, so... |
| 18:01.23 | JordiGH | And carols didn't jump in with the banhammer... |
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| 18:05.02 | AmberJ | Human Computation (as CAPTCHA/duoLingo creator calls it) :D |
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| 18:06.32 | argonel | waves to carols |
| 18:07.12 | carols | hey argonel |
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| 19:05.28 | JordiGH | Hm, is that kosher? Asking in the public mailing list when a student is m.i.a.? |
| 19:06.24 | sharvey | JordiGH: on google-discuss? |
| 19:06.27 | JordiGH | Yeah. |
| 19:07.12 | |Kev| | It seems a reasonable last resort to me. |
| 19:07.32 | |Kev| | The student's acceptance is public, and their contributions would be public had they made any. |
| 19:08.08 | |Kev| | And it seems to be giving the student considerably more slack than I would at this point had I not heard from them. |
| 19:08.15 | JordiGH | And publicly shaming? |
| 19:08.46 | |Kev| | And yes, the shame of failing would also ultimately be public. |
| 19:09.04 | JordiGH | Harsh. But I understand. |
| 19:09.27 | |Kev| | I'd say they're trying to do right by the student in giving a last chance for the student to contact them. |
| 19:09.46 | |Kev| | It's not like the witch-hunt threads that sometimes happen on the mentors list with "Let's all ban such a student". |
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