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| 10:15.17 | Calcs88 | what happens if a gsoc project becomes a commercial application? |
| 10:15.55 | Calcs88 | and you signed a license giving away the code rights |
| 10:17.04 | |Kev| | Calcs88: In what scenario? |
| 10:19.16 | Calcs88 | in my project they want me to sign a license to give away the rights of the code |
| 10:19.35 | Calcs88 | the stuff I do has the potential of becoming a commercial app after |
| 10:19.47 | weltall | what license is it now under? |
| 10:19.58 | ansgar | Calcs88: I think you mean proprietary not commercial. |
| 10:20.31 | Calcs88 | I am not too familiar with licenses and stuff I am just happy to be part of this anyway, I am just saying it has the potential of getting big |
| 10:20.50 | Calcs88 | and if I give away the rights to the code I might not be part of it if it happens |
| 10:21.00 | weltall | it must be under an opensource license right now |
| 10:21.03 | |Kev| | Calcs88: My limited understanding is that only the copyright holder has the right to relicense the code. |
| 10:21.21 | weltall | it means you can fork the current version but the holder can relicense future versions |
| 10:21.28 | weltall | many also do double licensing |
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| 10:21.40 | |Kev| | Calcs88: So if you are the copyright holder, your permission is required to relicense (although if it's BSD or MIT or whatever it's usable in non-OSS code already). |
| 10:22.05 | Calcs88 | I will have to educate myself on these matters |
| 10:22.06 | weltall | opensource with a strict license and proprietary for a more free license from the buyer pov |
| 10:22.09 | |Kev| | Calcs88: If you pass copyright to someone else, they are the only person/people able to relicense it (you lose any rights to the code other than what they grant you). |
| 10:22.18 | |Kev| | Although I'm sure this various country by country. |
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| 10:22.37 | weltall | it's sorta if they wrote the code from a legal standpoint |
| 10:22.37 | Calcs88 | |Kev|: exactly, you lose rights of the code and that is what they want me to sign |
| 10:22.50 | |Kev| | Calcs88: Under what license is the project released? |
| 10:23.56 | weltall | Calcs88, anyway they probably ask it to everyone contribuiting to the project |
| 10:24.05 | |Kev| | What project is this? |
| 10:24.28 | |Kev| | I don't much like copyright assignment myself, I'd rather BSD incoming, but I'm aware that a number of projects require assignment. |
| 10:24.53 | gevaerts | would recommend always checking the license and possible contributor agreements and copyright assignments *before* getting involved |
| 10:24.59 | |Kev| | Right. |
| 10:25.11 | weltall | yeah |
| 10:25.27 | |Kev| | If you're not prepared to submit the code under the published terms you really should have not gotten involved. You should certainly walk away now and not take more money from Google. |
| 10:25.33 | Calcs88 | It says Modified BSD License |
| 10:25.51 | |Kev| | The BSD license is proprietary-compatible anyway. |
| 10:25.57 | weltall | yeah |
| 10:26.00 | Calcs88 | which means? |
| 10:26.02 | weltall | you can close it regardless |
| 10:26.13 | |Kev| | Someone can take the code and release something commercial/proprietary without you being involved. |
| 10:26.14 | weltall | i can take the code and make a closed source distro with my changes |
| 10:26.30 | Calcs88 | |Kev|: yeah I thought so :D |
| 10:26.40 | |Kev| | My project requires BSD for incoming patches, and is GPL/Commercial outgoing. |
| 10:26.45 | weltall | you don't need assignment to do it |
| 10:26.48 | ansgar | Calcs88: They want you to sign the BSD-license? Or something else? |
| 10:27.01 | |Kev| | Calcs88: What is it they want you to sign? |
| 10:27.14 | Calcs88 | nope they want me to sign what they call CLA |
| 10:27.24 | Calcs88 | contributor license agreement something like that... |
| 10:27.57 | |Kev| | Which project? |
| 10:28.02 | ansgar | Calcs88: Maybe you could just provide a link to it? It would make it easier for people ;) |
| 10:28.02 | gevaerts | We can't really give any advice without knowing exactly what these things say |
| 10:28.18 | Calcs88 | ok does not matter anyway |
| 10:28.25 | Calcs88 | i am just happy to be around these people anyway |
| 10:28.26 | |Kev| | Oh, it matters very much. |
| 10:28.32 | |Kev| | You should always know what you're signing :) |
| 10:28.34 | weltall | so kev you can relicense bsd under gpl? |
| 10:28.42 | weltall | without copyright? |
| 10:28.55 | |Kev| | weltall: No. You can't relicense anything without the copyright holder. |
| 10:29.02 | ansgar | weltall: No. But you can integrate BSD-licensed code in a GPL project. |
| 10:29.05 | Calcs88 | I am just a student happy to be here, if the make money of the code later and dont include me, fine |
| 10:29.06 | weltall | then how can you do that in and out thing? |
| 10:29.07 | |Kev| | But you can take BSD code and use it as part of a GPL whole. |
| 10:29.30 | weltall | so it's actually a mix of bsd and gpl |
| 10:29.38 | |Kev| | The contributor's code remains BSD. The project as a whole is GPL. |
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| 10:31.00 | gevaerts | Calcs88: licensing is *important*. If you don't understand what you're signing and how the code you provide is licensed, you're doing it *very* wrong |
| 10:31.04 | Calcs88 | on the other hand there are some highly respected people in the project, I doubt they would do anything unfair |
| 10:31.24 | aghisla | I agree with gevaerts. |
| 10:31.25 | Calcs88 | gevaerts: what can I do I am just a student,they are legends in the field |
| 10:31.35 | gevaerts | Calcs88: how is that relevant? |
| 10:31.38 | |Kev| | Calcs88: You don't necessarily need to /do/ anything. You just need to understand what you're doing. |
| 10:31.51 | Calcs88 | gevaerts: I am not in this for the money |
| 10:31.59 | weltall | Calcs88, regardless anyone can do unfair things with a bsd license so really it won't change matters a lot |
| 10:32.02 | gevaerts | That's not the point! |
| 10:32.05 | |Kev| | You are releasing code. You need to understand licensing at a basic level. If you don't there's no guarantee that what you're doing is legal. |
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| 10:35.11 | Calcs88 | I am sure it is all legal, my point was just if it gets big they can kick me out... oh well that is life |
| 10:36.09 | gevaerts | isn't sure how to explain this |
| 10:36.13 | weltall | you can fork |
| 10:36.20 | ojwb | it seems a little late to be bringing up a requirement to sign a CLA |
| 10:36.34 | weltall | bsd alows you that |
| 10:36.51 | Calcs88 | gevaerts: try |
| 10:36.58 | |Kev| | Calcs88: Which project are you working for? |
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| 10:37.34 | Calcs88 | well obviously I won't tell |
| 10:37.44 | |Kev| | I don't think that's obvious. |
| 10:37.52 | |Kev| | Or I wouldn't have asked. |
| 10:38.35 | gevaerts | Calcs88: if you don't understand the licenses of the code you're working with, how do you know if you can e.g. use a specific library? |
| 10:38.56 | weltall | Calcs88, why the omerty? |
| 10:39.05 | Calcs88 | gevaerts: because one of the legends in the fields is responsible for all that? |
| 10:39.13 | Calcs88 | field* |
| 10:39.14 | gevaerts | Calcs88: no, *you* are |
| 10:39.58 | Calcs88 | ah ok I see your point |
| 10:40.17 | |Kev| | Calcs88: If you sign a CLA, you will almost certainly be asserting that you have the right to license the code, so if you don't have a basic understanding of licensing, you can't sign that. |
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| 10:41.12 | |Kev| | You've got a load of people trying to help you here, but it'd be much easier if you'd let us know what the project is so we can look at the licensing. |
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| 10:41.40 | Calcs88 | well how will that make me look, asking around licenses and stuff... |
| 10:41.54 | Calcs88 | the thing is I don't even care, I just ask how things go |
| 10:42.04 | ansgar | Why should asking about licenses be bad? |
| 10:42.16 | |Kev| | Right, but we're trying to explain to you why you /need/ to care about licensing. |
| 10:42.20 | Calcs88 | good relationships start with initial trust |
| 10:43.00 | gevaerts | Good relationships start with *understanding* |
| 10:43.00 | |Kev| | It's fine for you to trust the project you're contributing to, but you need to care about licensing to ensure that what you contribute to the project is legal. |
| 10:43.01 | aghisla | If you sign a CLA by relying on others' advice, you can't blame them later, because signing is actually your choice. Be careful on that. |
| 10:43.26 | |Kev| | Not that /they're/ not doing something wrong, but that /you're/ not. |
| 10:43.29 | aghisla | We are not telling you not to sign. We tell you to know what you are signing. |
| 10:43.43 | Calcs88 | aha I see |
| 10:44.01 | weltall | the choice must be yours |
| 10:44.35 | |Kev| | Calcs88: As an example, here's an open source library. Are you able to use it in your project? http://swift.im/swiften/ |
| 10:44.39 | Calcs88 | gevaerts: true true but if you sniff around too much the relationship goes to hell at start |
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| 10:45.10 | |Kev| | Calcs88: It really won't. Mentors will want you to understand what you're doing. GSoC is all about learning and asking questions. |
| 10:45.15 | Calcs88 | |Kev|: yep I see your point |
| 10:45.41 | aghisla | I don't think so. Being accurate and picky about legal stuff must be seen as a positive attitude. |
| 10:45.50 | gevaerts | nods |
| 10:45.57 | weltall | also not everything is opensource in the software so you might end up having to do similar things also in your work life |
| 10:45.58 | Calcs88 | so you guys would talk directly to the mentor about this? |
| 10:46.13 | weltall | definitely |
| 10:46.14 | |Kev| | Calcs88: It's what they're there for. |
| 10:46.18 | aghisla | Absolutely. |
| 10:46.27 | gevaerts | nods |
| 10:46.40 | Calcs88 | I mean you would literally ask him questions like, what if it goes commercial and bla bla? |
| 10:46.46 | |Kev| | I'd still like to know what the project is, for my own interest - particularly because I'd like to see what they put as the Required License under they Melange page. |
| 10:47.17 | gevaerts | First of all, try to understand the difference between commercial and proprietary |
| 10:47.30 | |Kev| | I'd ask whatever questions you'd like answers to and a quick Google doesn't help with. |
| 10:48.00 | Calcs88 | I have too much respect for the person to talk to him about this, I will just sign it. |
| 10:48.12 | |Kev| | Calcs88: You mean you have too little respect to ask, surely? |
| 10:48.18 | gevaerts | If that's your attitude, I'd recommend dropping out of gsoc |
| 10:48.23 | weltall | too little respect for himself |
| 10:48.28 | Calcs88 | you guys are more experienced, if I talk about it with him, I will probably ask something stupid and screw up the relationship |
| 10:48.28 | |Kev| | If you have respect for the person you'll understand what you're agreeing to do for them. |
| 10:48.34 | aghisla | If I were your mentor, I'd be upset if you don't tell me anything. |
| 10:48.50 | weltall | it's like saying go to war and going even if not agreeing because you respect your prime minister |
| 10:49.18 | |Kev| | weltall: That's possibly the worst analogy I've ever heard, congratulations :) |
| 10:49.26 | gevaerts | isn't sure if weltall's analogy really holds :) |
| 10:49.26 | weltall | i'm good at that :P |
| 10:49.37 | gevaerts | weltall: unless you add "volunteering" to that, *possibly* |
| 10:50.02 | weltall | well sure depends on the country |
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| 10:50.14 | Calcs88 | you as a veteran in the field would not be upset by some student that just got out of college, asking things like what if it goes commercial and so on? |
| 10:50.16 | weltall | some are lucky to be in volunteer based only countries |
| 10:50.24 | weltall | no Calcs88 |
| 10:50.28 | |Kev| | Calcs88: No. |
| 10:50.32 | aghisla | Not at all. |
| 10:50.41 | gevaerts | weltall: again, look up what "commercial" actually means |
| 10:50.44 | weltall | except if they aren't worth the respect |
| 10:50.50 | aghisla | I'd be glad he asks. |
| 10:50.52 | weltall | me? :P |
| 10:51.01 | Calcs88 | I feel like you guys push me in the fire :D |
| 10:51.05 | weltall | it's just selling it which could even be open |
| 10:51.08 | Calcs88 | I will just shut my mouth and sign |
| 10:51.09 | gevaerts | weltall: if you respect me :) |
| 10:51.10 | Calcs88 | done |
| 10:51.14 | aghisla | !? |
| 10:51.15 | |Kev| | Calcs88: You must understand that a very large number of GSoC mentors are going to be preeminent in their respective fields, your project is not unique in this. |
| 10:51.45 | Calcs88 | I understand that, Google does not sponsor just anybody |
| 10:52.05 | weltall | a good number of opensource project are commercial so really it doesn't mean closing the source |
| 10:52.15 | |Kev| | So if you're getting advice from a significant number of mentors in here because of what you think mentors will think, it might not be smart. |
| 10:52.30 | gevaerts | Calcs88: the question is not "can this go commercial?", (or even "can it go proprietary?", which is probably what you mean). It's "what do these licenses and agreements *mean*" |
| 10:52.47 | Calcs88 | I will apply for a job in my mentor's company or ask for his reference for other places, that is why I am scared ask him about licenses and stuff. I feel I should trust him and just sign. |
| 10:53.17 | Calcs88 | gevaerts: your question is same as mine but asked in a polite manner |
| 10:53.21 | aghisla | Please, be careful. Trust is not enough on there matters. |
| 10:53.24 | |Kev| | Calcs88: No, it's not. |
| 10:53.40 | gevaerts | Calcs88: and if this mentor finds out you did this, he won't think "Oh, another mindless idiot who refuses to think"? |
| 10:54.19 | |Kev| | Calcs88: You have (significant, legal) responsibilities with your contributions. If you're not going to understand the license you're working under, you have no way of knowing if you're acting correctly. |
| 10:54.22 | weltall | would you really want to work in contact with such a person if he's so bad to squander you over this? |
| 10:54.25 | gevaerts | Calcs88: and no, "can you take this proprietary" is *not* the same as "what does this mean" |
| 10:54.34 | Calcs88 | I would rather him think me as an idiot rather then a threat to his project |
| 10:54.44 | |Kev| | I'd be scared witless if I thought my students didn't understand the license they work under. |
| 10:55.00 | |Kev| | And if they asked about it going commercial I'd tell them about it and be glad they asked. |
| 10:55.00 | gevaerts | Calcs88: if he thinks you're an idiot, he *will* consider you a threat to his project |
| 10:55.08 | Calcs88 | weltall: you are right on that point |
| 10:55.15 | weltall | you are more a threat right now than if you asked him |
| 10:56.14 | |Kev| | Calcs88: You asking about commercial stuff doesn't affect the threat. |
| 10:56.30 | |Kev| | Either the project's license prevents you forking and closing the source, or it doesn't. |
| 10:56.45 | weltall | it's always better to be clear on things so there aren't hard feelings later |
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| 10:58.13 | Calcs88 | ok guys gotta go |
| 10:58.32 | weltall | bye |
| 10:58.48 | Calcs88 | thank you for the conversation, I will just trust them and not ask too much. I got a long way to go and I am just happy they let me program with them. |
| 10:59.02 | gevaerts | Then drop out *now*! |
| 10:59.08 | |Kev| | Please drop out of GSoC immediately, then. |
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| 10:59.19 | Calcs88 | :D |
| 10:59.21 | aghisla | Indeed. |
| 10:59.25 | weltall | yeah |
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| 10:59.47 | gevaerts | You're being insulting and disrespectful to the entirety of the open source community |
| 11:00.21 | Calcs88 | I am careful of libraries I use and what I sign don't worry, I am just saying I won't ask too many questions about the project's future in terms of commercial success bla bla |
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| 11:00.50 | aghisla | I would. It is your work. You are entitled to ask anything you want about its future. |
| 11:01.24 | weltall | i'm quite sure he will like to be asked |
| 11:01.25 | gevaerts | knows that if he were a mentor for an organisation that requires a CLA, he would now be busy checking out if Calcs88 is one of the students in his organisation |
| 11:01.43 | weltall | is not in one this year :P |
| 11:02.07 | gevaerts | isn't a mentor this year, and he dislikes CLAs so he would be unlikely to be in such an organisation anyway :) |
| 11:02.28 | Calcs88 | gevaerts: you scared me there for a while, don't do that :D |
| 11:02.40 | Calcs88 | I mean no harm I just ask how things go |
| 11:03.10 | weltall | ahahah gevaerts |
| 11:03.18 | |Kev| | It's not asking questions that was the problem. |
| 11:03.27 | Calcs88 | I am the Wozniak type of guy, just me code you go ahead take the money :D |
| 11:03.28 | |Kev| | It was completely ignoring the advice you were subsequently given. |
| 11:03.33 | weltall | doesn't like linux like copyright mess :P |
| 11:03.44 | Calcs88 | nope I got your advice guys I will be careful of what I use |
| 11:04.11 | weltall | we have to rewrite a piece of code because it's mislicensed in crystalspace |
| 11:04.44 | aghisla | Calcs88: this licensing stuff could affect your own code. |
| 11:05.15 | Calcs88 | oops really gotta go now, cya guys tnx again |
| 11:05.36 | gevaerts | weltall: from a pragmantic point of view, I'd say that if you had had copyright assignment, you might not have had to rewrite *this* bit of code, but you'd have had to write more other bits of code yourself bevcause whoever contributed them now wouldn't have :) |
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| 11:06.10 | weltall | who knows gevaerts :) |
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| 11:07.43 | gevaerts | My main problem with CAs and CLAs is that they are fundamentally asymmetrical |
| 11:07.58 | |Kev| | I'm quite surprised we've never had someone refuse to BSD their patches when contributing to us. |
| 11:08.29 | |Kev| | I'd be wary of contributing to a project like ours. |
| 11:09.01 | gevaerts | If I fork some code, the people who wrote that are basically contributing to my project, but I'm not aware of *any* project that's publicly willing to sing a CLA for me in such a case stating that they have the right to contribute that code |
| 11:09.10 | |Kev| | Not so much for GSoC, where the amount the students get paid vastly outweighs how much I'm likely to make from it, but in general I agree that asymetric stuff feels a bit wrong. |
| 11:09.17 | gevaerts | So I don't really see why they could expect me to sign such a thing |
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| 11:09.52 | |Kev| | gevaerts: Right. CLAs are somewhat more severe than BSD in Dual out. |
| 11:10.13 | gevaerts | nods |
| 11:10.16 | aghisla | I can't understand why asking questions should be seen as threatening. This is astonishing. |
| 11:10.35 | weltall | it's more like i'd prefer the community to have control over code more than a single person |
| 11:11.04 | weltall | but maybe bsd will be enough |
| 11:11.42 | weltall | yeah aghisla |
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| 11:12.21 | aghisla | Especially on contracts. |
| 11:12.58 | weltall | always read them througly and ask if you aren't sure of what's written |
| 11:13.43 | gevaerts | I also don't really getting the point of asking people for advice, and then refusing to tell them any essential stuff |
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| 11:14.28 | |Kev| | gevaerts: I've got a problem. Will you help me? |
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| 11:14.45 | weltall | it's a big problem gevaerts what would you do for this problem? |
| 11:14.52 | gevaerts | |Kev|: I will provide a solution that may or may not match your problem :) |
| 11:15.02 | |Kev| | gevaerts: Great. What is it? |
| 11:15.06 | weltall | but it's "the problem"! |
| 11:15.12 | gevaerts | Stick your head in a bucket of water! |
| 11:15.36 | weltall | that might work in 3 hours when the sun is hitting the wall and making the house an oven |
| 11:15.37 | weltall | XD |
| 11:16.16 | |Kev| | gevaerts: Great, thanks. I'm going to not stick my head in a bucket of water. |
| 11:16.38 | gevaerts | |Kev|: Good! I hope it helps! |
| 11:16.58 | weltall | lol |
| 11:17.11 | gevaerts | wants his new laptopto hurry up |
| 11:17.14 | gevaerts | *laptop |
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| 11:18.11 | aghisla | relicenses the bucket |
| 11:18.13 | weltall | wants it too but they are not selling it yet |
| 11:18.30 | gevaerts | aghisla: you're making a hash of it! |
| 11:18.31 | |Kev| | Oh, that's made my morning... |
| 11:18.39 | |Kev| | Someone posted to a mailing list I'm on. I replied to them. |
| 11:18.49 | |Kev| | They then mailed me asking me to delete my post because it reveals their email address. |
| 11:19.02 | weltall | XD |
| 11:19.04 | gevaerts | :) |
| 11:19.05 | aghisla | pffrt |
| 11:19.09 | weltall | fail |
| 11:19.27 | |Kev| | After they started five threads, each with a slighly different subject and the same body. |
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| 11:21.04 | gevaerts | The left hinge of this laptop is gone, and there's something wrong with the inverter board so I have to touch it with a not-too-dry finger every now and then to get the backlight going again |
| 11:21.39 | |Kev| | Nice. |
| 11:22.02 | gevaerts | This makes my coworkers make fun of me |
| 11:22.05 | |Kev| | Laptops are a minefield. |
| 11:22.21 | gevaerts | I can't really blame it. One shouldn't drop a laptop more than once |
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| 11:22.42 | |Kev| | My old MBP that I had back from a job years ago was getting old, so I bought myself a not-too-cheap Dell that looked decent. I even played around with one in a shop first. |
| 11:22.55 | |Kev| | And somehow despite having played with the store one, I hate it in every imaginable way. |
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| 11:23.45 | |Kev| | The screen's crappy. The trackpad's horrible. The keyboard's tolerable I suppose but not good. You can't plug in USB mice before boot or it doesn't recognise them, ... |
| 11:23.50 | gevaerts | ordered a thinkpad t530. He hopes the keyboard won't be too horrible to get used to |
| 11:24.18 | |Kev| | Apart from buying Apple hardware I really have no idea how to make sure I end up with a laptop I like. |
| 11:25.03 | |Kev| | My first laptop was a Dell, a decade ago, and I loved that - and it still mostly works. |
| 11:25.39 | |Kev| | I used to love thinkpads, too - but after my experience with my new Dell I'd be worried that I'd hate the new ones. |
| 11:25.48 | gevaerts | The big advantage of the t500 I have now is that every time I don't repair the plastic bits in time after dropping it, I have to replace a magnesium bit, which means I have a fair amount of broken magnesium bits to throw on the barbecue |
| 11:26.34 | |Kev| | Haha. |
| 11:27.25 | MatthewWilkes | Afternoon all. Can I survive on a 12-19mbit ADSL connection for 6 months, do you think? |
| 11:28.04 | |Kev| | Probably. |
| 11:28.06 | gevaerts | Unlikely |
| 11:28.15 | |Kev| | Until recently mine was much slower. |
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| 11:36.43 | MatthewWilkes | |Kev|: I'm moving house in 2 weeks, going out of the virgin service area |
| 11:37.00 | MatthewWilkes | So I won't get the 100mbit cable service that's being rolled out in a month or two, or the 50mbit I have right now |
| 11:37.14 | MatthewWilkes | and VSDL2 isn't being installed at the local exchange until december |
| 11:37.16 | |Kev| | No Infinity either, I assume. |
| 11:37.20 | MatthewWilkes | VDSL2, even |
| 11:37.27 | MatthewWilkes | nope, 31st December |
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| 11:38.18 | |Kev| | Congratulations. Wales has better Internets than you. |
| 11:38.50 | MatthewWilkes | it needs it for all those extra consonants you need to send |
| 11:38.57 | gevaerts | considers moving to Stockholm |
| 11:39.13 | gevaerts | One of the rockbox people is trying to decide between 1000/100 and 100/100 |
| 11:39.21 | |Kev| | Heh. |
| 11:39.41 | |Kev| | Unless the price difference was insignificant, I'd go for 100/100 |
| 11:39.48 | gevaerts | *not* kilobits :) |
| 11:40.00 | gevaerts | He's like something in between IIUC |
| 11:40.14 | gevaerts | But they don't have that, unless he goes for a slower uplink |
| 11:40.24 | MatthewWilkes | I should be able to get something close to 100/15 on bt infinity once it gets rolled out, at least |
| 11:40.40 | |Kev| | My connection's something like 40/10, and I often end up with less than maxed downlink. |
| 11:40.47 | MatthewWilkes | only .3 miles from the exchange, and the cabling is all pretty new as it's a new development |
| 11:40.55 | |Kev| | Particularly my downline is slower than the office's uplink, so grabbing stuff from work seems slowl. |
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| 11:41.47 | |Kev| | Which reminds me. I should do the "Please double my downlink, BT" thing. |
| 11:42.22 | MatthewWilkes | wassat? |
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| 11:43.25 | |Kev| | Infinity went from 40 to 80. |
| 11:44.47 | weltall | lol |
| 11:45.30 | |Kev| | Although I wonder if the powerline adaptors I use will be up to it. |
| 11:45.41 | |Kev| | They're /supposedly/ up for 200mbit or so, but... |
| 11:46.18 | |Kev| | I'd like to get the house wired, but the walls don't line up nicely so I daren't try it myself, and I have no idea how much it would cost or who I'd get to do it for me. |
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| 11:48.47 | MatthewWilkes | Nightrose: Incidentally, I had a lot of fun with the shitstorm scale you posted, followed a topic yesterday from frische Brise to Orkan. |
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| 11:49.02 | Nightrose | MatthewWilkes: lol |
| 11:49.12 | MatthewWilkes | |Kev|: Do you need 200mbit around the house? I normally make do with wifi |
| 11:49.31 | |Kev| | MatthewWilkes: Well, given than G is slower than my DSL... |
| 11:49.42 | |Kev| | (And that I have mostly G devices) |
| 11:49.44 | MatthewWilkes | ah |
| 11:50.10 | gevaerts | One of my coworkers was complaining recently that his ISP is forcing him to buy a new switch |
| 11:50.12 | MatthewWilkes | I have a fair bit of 5ghz n kit, and the only things that max it out are on 5ghz |
| 11:50.18 | gevaerts | He got upgraded to 120mbit |
| 11:50.25 | MatthewWilkes | Nightrose: Did you see the scottish school meals blog thing? |
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| 11:50.47 | |Kev| | I essentially have a LAN in my study, a bridge to the router/games consoles in the living room, and everything else is wireless. The bridge is a powerline thing at the moment. |
| 11:51.00 | MatthewWilkes | Nightrose: Global trend on twitter, front page of reddit, /., international tv news, etc. Hilarious. |
| 11:51.34 | |Kev| | But I need to have LAN in the study because I WAH and I have vast numbers of machines once you tot up all the physical/virtual ones that I frequently use, and I need them to poke stuff between themselves quickly. |
| 11:52.05 | Nightrose | MatthewWilkes: yeah i saw the headline but didn't check further tbh - too much going on atm |
| 11:52.15 | |Kev| | MatthewWilkes: "Fearing for their jobs". Yes, because an average score of ~7.5 from a kid rating their school meals seems bad. |
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| 11:52.47 | MatthewWilkes | It was a fun story |
| 11:52.55 | |Kev| | I wouldn't rate my lunches an average of 7.5, and I get to choose what I eat. |
| 11:53.03 | MatthewWilkes | Me either! We're jaded adults |
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| 11:53.13 | MatthewWilkes | she's raised 60.7k GBP for charity now, too |
| 11:53.14 | MatthewWilkes | amazing |
| 11:53.51 | |Kev| | Absolutely. |
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| 22:50.04 | scorche | Are any of the Indian folk in here awake? |
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| 22:54.19 | rajul | scorche: hi...yeah me |
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| 22:55.24 | scorche | rajul: what language do you speak? (i know there are a lot of languages spoken there) |
| 22:55.46 | rajul | well....not too many |
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| 22:55.51 | rajul | actually just two |
| 22:55.58 | rajul | hindi and eglish |
| 22:56.02 | rajul | *english |
| 22:56.20 | scorche | would you know how "door cylinder" would be translated into Hindi? |
| 22:56.30 | scorche | referring to the actual lock cylinder that fits into a door |
| 22:58.57 | rajul | well i dont think we have a separate word for it |
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| 22:59.22 | rajul | but like we cal a door as 'darwaaza' |
| 22:59.45 | rajul | and a door cylinder is like a lock- key |
| 22:59.58 | rajul | so a lock is called 'taala' |
| 23:00.12 | rajul | and key is 'chaabi' |
| 23:00.18 | scorche | so, you would call the door cylinder a taala darwaaza? |
| 23:00.27 | rajul | not actually |
| 23:00.49 | rajul | but 'darwaze ke liye taala-chaabi' |
| 23:01.01 | rajul | 'ke liye' stands for 'for' in english |
| 23:02.19 | rajul | i hope that sorts it?? |
| 23:02.25 | scorche | sure - thanks |
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| 23:03.51 | scorche | rajul: so, if you were going to the store to get a replacement door lock to install on your door, you would ask for that, right? |
| 23:04.18 | rajul | yeah...that should do |
| 23:04.48 | scorche | cool - thanks |
| 23:05.33 | gevaerts | thinks scorche should now demonstrate that he can also pronounce it correctly |
| 23:05.44 | scorche | nope! ;) |
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| 23:06.55 | scorche | i dont need to though |
| 23:07.32 | scorche | gevaerts: just trying to gather language translations to put on a friend's graphic |
| 23:07.43 | scorche | gevaerts: would you know the flemish translation? |
| 23:08.08 | gevaerts | Hmm |
| 23:09.34 | gevaerts | deurcilinder I think |
| 23:10.35 | scorche | ok |
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| 23:11.23 | scorche | gevaerts: ah - yeah - he already has that on here as Dutch =) |
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