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| 07:41.24 | kai | hey, a Lennie |
| 07:41.29 | kai | waves |
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| 07:45.36 | thebolt | hi kai |
| 07:45.41 | thebolt | long time,.. how's it going? |
| 07:46.43 | ankit | waves "God particles" at Kai |
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| 07:56.43 | Lennie | kai, hi there |
| 07:56.48 | Lennie | kai, how you doing? |
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| 08:17.04 | naman22 | x=x*0.1 vs x=x/10 which is faster? |
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| 08:18.39 | thiago | which language? |
| 08:19.04 | thiago | and if it's a statically-typed language, what type is x? |
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| 08:39.02 | kai | Lennie: can't complain, really. a bit tired, had the dress rehearsal weekend for the theatre production that's running this week |
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| 09:07.24 | naman22 | c++. x is float |
| 09:07.56 | naman22 | x isn't static either |
| 09:09.09 | kai | thebolt: hey there as well :) |
| 09:09.26 | kai | naman22: depends on the compiler, I guess. why don't you just benchmark it? |
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| 09:10.56 | simonl | My feeling is that both statements get strength reduced to the same code. But maybe there are some number theory things that come into play or something |
| 09:11.22 | simonl | any details would be interesting to hear IMO |
| 09:11.47 | simonl | any compiler gurus around? |
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| 09:16.31 | Lennie | kai, nice :) |
| 09:16.35 | kai | simonl: so my experience is that these days, the time programmers need to understand the code often outweights the cost of slightly inefficient code |
| 09:16.38 | Lennie | kai, what's the play about? |
| 09:16.52 | kai | Lennie: it's an evening of short comedy sketches |
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| 09:18.02 | Lennie | kai, sounds interesting |
| 09:18.03 | simonl | kai: sure, I just find it interesting. I'm seriously considering a static analysis/compilation/optimization career :) |
| 09:18.43 | simonl | on that note, maybe stregth reduction don't work on floats :) |
| 09:20.16 | naman22 | benchmarking... |
| 09:21.06 | kai | simonl: well, as far as I understand both the gcc as well as llvm have their code available ;) |
| 09:21.25 | kai | Lennie: it's certainly great fun |
| 09:21.39 | kai | Lennie: I'm singing an XKCD comic :) |
| 09:21.42 | simonl | kai: Yeah, and my project is code analysis, but for the mono project :) |
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| 09:27.25 | Lennie | kai, nice :) |
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| 09:30.25 | thebolt | simonl: naman22: i would assume that under "strict" float rules it should _not_ result in same code, as 0.1 cannot be exactly represented as a float/double |
| 09:31.08 | thebolt | some compilers fast-math mode might make it the same, but it wouldn't be 100% correct IEEE754 float to do so |
| 09:31.29 | gevaerts | In which case /10 will most probably be slower |
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| 09:31.48 | thebolt | yes |
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| 09:33.06 | simonl | ah, that seems reasonable |
| 09:34.24 | thebolt | (in fact, no matter how many bits you have, as long as they are finite, you cannot represent 0.1 in float or binary decimal) |
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| 09:35.41 | gevaerts | Depending on the actual range of x, that might not matter of course |
| 09:36.38 | gevaerts | Hm |
| 09:38.04 | gevaerts | 4~If x is a float, I wonder if doing the entire x*0.1 as double and then converting back to float would have a different result from x/10 in pure float, and if it would be faster on typical CPUs |
| 09:38.33 | thebolt | depends on the CPU |
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| 09:38.40 | thebolt | i guess |
| 09:38.54 | thebolt | (for example, CPU i use right now has float but not double in hardware..) |
| 09:39.32 | gevaerts | nods |
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| 09:42.24 | MatthewWilkes | thebolt! |
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| 09:42.28 | thebolt | hi MatthewWilkes |
| 09:42.35 | thebolt | how're you doing? |
| 09:43.19 | kai | is happy to spend pretty much no time at all doing optimization stuff |
| 09:43.47 | thebolt | kai: heh, i am using floats on microcontroller (quite big MCUs but still).. you need to be careful |
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| 09:44.16 | thebolt | kai: a blah / 2 instead of blah / 2.0f and it computes the whole thing in software, as double |
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| 09:46.27 | kai | thebolt: right. when I do embedded stuff I have to think more about the tiny things, too |
| 09:47.54 | kai | but rigth now I'm trying to scale up my software to run on 152 cores, and my concerns are more in the area of data locality and load distribution |
| 09:48.30 | thebolt | kai: i also discovered that libm supplied with my compiler (code sourcery) was not compiled with the right flags to use teh FPU, so it does all in software.. had to recompile parts of it myself to get a few trig functions i need |
| 09:48.42 | gevaerts | OK, a quick test (10000000 (pseudo)random numbers) tells me that if x is a float, (float)(((double)x)*0.1) == x/10 |
| 09:48.54 | MatthewWilkes | thebolt: Good, thanks, just laughing at some spectacular homoeopathy |
| 09:49.02 | kai | thebolt: oh, fun |
| 09:49.11 | MatthewWilkes | thebolt: Did you know that you can buy "Ethylicum (Ethanol) 1M (Centesimal) in 96% Alcohol" |
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| 09:49.50 | gevaerts | Of course you need proper analysis to figure out if that's *always* true |
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| 09:50.12 | kai | wait, you can buy 1-molar ethanol in alcohol? |
| 09:50.50 | kai | MatthewWilkes: then I'd be concerned the alcohol they're talking about is methanol or propanol |
| 09:51.31 | kai | or at best a mixture of these |
| 09:52.38 | kai | arguably, diluting ethanol in methanol automatically creates said mixture |
| 09:52.42 | MatthewWilkes | kai: 1M (Centesimal) means a dilution of 1 part ethanol to 100**1000 parts alcohol |
| 09:52.54 | kai | oh |
| 09:53.10 | MatthewWilkes | Which is wonderful. |
| 09:53.28 | MatthewWilkes | technically, it's a 1:100 dilution repeated 1000 times |
| 09:53.36 | thebolt | the homeopatic "dillutions" are so nice |
| 09:54.03 | MatthewWilkes | but when you're diluting ethanol with ethanol… |
| 09:54.03 | thebolt | you should be happy if you find a single molecule of the substance in a liter of the end result |
| 09:54.12 | kai | well, that still leaves you with a decent chance of getting one molecule of the original ethanol |
| 09:54.16 | MatthewWilkes | They also have a tap water one, but not as fully |
| 09:54.37 | kai | MatthewWilkes: well, seing how water supposedly has a memory, I don't see why ethanol wouldn't |
| 09:55.05 | MatthewWilkes | kai: How does it? 1:10^2000 is muuuch higher than avogadro's constant |
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| 09:56.35 | ashfall_ | MatthewWilkes: Theoretically it does... Practically... well. ;) |
| 09:57.13 | MatthewWilkes | ashfall_: Huh? What theories have you been reading? |
| 09:57.15 | ashfall_ | That one particle is out there somewhere. I think. |
| 09:57.38 | MatthewWilkes | No, all the original stuff will have been poured down the drain |
| 09:57.44 | MatthewWilkes | they don't start with a molecule and dilute it |
| 09:58.10 | kai | MatthewWilkes: I'd call 1:10^1977 decent.. ;) |
| 09:58.45 | kai | MatthewWilkes: a bit hard to measure, of course |
| 09:59.04 | MatthewWilkes | ashfall_: Even if they did, they'd need 3×10^1974 kilograms of water to make that dilution |
| 09:59.10 | MatthewWilkes | err, ethanol, whatever |
| 09:59.45 | kai | ashfall_: arguably, a single molecule of anything usually doesn't do much |
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| 10:00.04 | kai | unless it's a big diamond, or a carbon nano-something |
| 10:00.09 | MatthewWilkes | kai: or a prion? |
| 10:00.24 | ashfall_ | Well, I'm not even trying to imagine the usefulness of that |
| 10:00.24 | kai | MatthewWilkes: experimental evidence on this is still shakey |
| 10:01.17 | ashfall_ | Hence no questions against the practicality, or lack of it much. |
| 10:01.52 | MatthewWilkes | kai: Interesting |
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| 10:08.43 | kai | MatthewWilkes: at least for the single molecule theory |
| 10:09.35 | kai | MatthewWilkes: and while everybody's doing this, many of the experiements are done on cancer cell lines, which I'd argue isn't the best example of a "healthy cell" |
| 10:11.56 | MatthewWilkes | kai: Sure, but you've got to think of the ethics of deliberately infecting healthy cells with prions! They have their whole lives in front of them! |
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| 10:26.04 | gevaerts | It looks like on *this* CPU (i7), with x being a float anbd using gcc, x/10 is slower than x*0.1 (which is also slightly incorrect), which in its turn is slower than (float)((double)x * 0.1) (which seens to give the same result as x/10 for the 20000000 times I run it) |
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| 11:10.40 | ardahal | !next |
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| 11:11.37 | ardahal | kblin: seems the bot's not working |
| 11:12.02 | ardahal | also, it'd be nice to change the topic to mid term evaluations starting and ending. ? |
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| 13:14.26 | JordiGH | omg omg omg omg midterms |
| 13:14.40 | kai | panics |
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| 13:14.53 | kai | I didn't submit any code yet |
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| 13:27.29 | MatthewWilkes | kai: hehe |
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| 13:43.21 | Helius | are mid-term evaluation question available yet? |
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| 13:46.30 | simonl | Helius: It will be available at 19:00 UTC time, according to the mail from carols |
| 13:47.03 | Helius | simonl: ok thanks I missed that email... |
| 13:47.15 | nischayn22 | more than 5 hrs left |
| 13:47.42 | simonl | The timeline says 12:00 though (without a time zone), which confused me at least since I did not notice the difference in time |
| 13:47.55 | simonl | Helius: It was sent to the student mailing list |
| 13:48.17 | chetan_ | Do we have to submit any code? Or just answer the questionnaire? |
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| 13:49.00 | kai | simonl: the timeline is on US pacific time |
| 13:49.20 | Helius | simonl: I'm writing from the mentors point of view, but should be the same |
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| 13:49.48 | kai | which reminds me |
| 13:49.49 | simonl | kai: ooh, there was a tiny bit of text that said so, which i never noticed :P |
| 13:49.55 | kai | !next |
| 13:49.56 | gsocbot | kai: "next" is Code away! |
| 13:51.03 | kai | hm, didn't someone say the bot wasn't working? |
| 13:51.08 | kai | eyes gsocbot |
| 13:51.29 | chetan_ | It wasn't sometime back |
| 13:51.41 | chetan_ | ardahal: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. |
| 13:51.45 | kai | I didn't change anything |
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| 13:52.29 | chetan_ | Anyway so do we have to submit code for midterm? |
| 13:53.03 | kai | !learn next as July 9th, 19:00 UTC - July 13th, 19:00 UTC: Mentors and students can submit mid-term evaluations |
| 13:53.03 | gsocbot | kai: "next" is (#1) Code away!, or (#2) July 9th, 19:00 UTC - July 13th, 19:00 UTC: Mentors and students can submit mid-term evaluations |
| 13:53.08 | kai | !forget next 1 |
| 13:53.08 | gsocbot | kai: "next" is July 9th, 19:00 UTC - July 13th, 19:00 UTC: Mentors and students can submit mid-term evaluations |
| 13:54.07 | chetan_ | So there is no portal where they accept the diff or something? |
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| 13:56.58 | prateekp | hello |
| 13:57.11 | prateekp | where i have to submit midterm evaluation |
| 13:57.33 | prateekp | and when will its link will appear |
| 13:58.44 | simonl | tries the new bot value |
| 13:58.58 | simonl | !next | prateekp |
| 13:58.59 | gsocbot | prateekp: "next" is July 9th, 19:00 UTC - July 13th, 19:00 UTC: Mentors and students can submit mid-term evaluations |
| 13:59.24 | prateekp | ok |
| 13:59.52 | prateekp | what i have to submit .. Do i have to submit reports of what i have done |
| 14:00.51 | simonl | I think that depends on your mentoring org... I have submitted report every week so far |
| 14:01.09 | simonl | because that was what they wanted |
| 14:01.17 | prateekp | hmm i have too submitted |
| 14:01.33 | prateekp | but do i need to upload it on melange site |
| 14:01.41 | gevaerts | No |
| 14:02.03 | prateekp | just i need to fill a form on melange |
| 14:02.09 | prateekp | thats it , right? |
| 14:05.18 | kai | prateekp: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs#evaluations |
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| 14:33.33 | JordiGH | This is kinda neat. We're having a meeting a week after midterms and all of three of our students are coming and meeting face-to-face with the mentors. |
| 14:33.52 | JordiGH | I hadn't really planned for our meeting to be right after GSoC midterms, but it worked out that way on its own. |
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| 14:37.43 | simonl | if my organization has a meetup I will probably not be able to attend... I'm almost on the other side of the globe most likely :/ |
| 14:40.27 | JordiGH | simonl: We financed our students. :-) |
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| 14:44.58 | |Kev| | simonl: I don't think most orgs do this. |
| 14:45.10 | simonl | JordiGH: I would most likely not reject an offer to go across the atlantic without paying ;-) |
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| 15:03.51 | MatthewWilkes | JordiGH, simonl: If your org has a conference or other developer summit then you can apply for some funding for travel from OSPO independently, we did that last year when we had some GSoC students who wanted to volunteer at Ploneconf, but couldn't afford the flights |
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| 15:04.17 | JordiGH | What's OSPO? |
| 15:04.24 | dberkholz | google's open source programs office |
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| 15:04.40 | nischayn22 | link to OSPO? |
| 15:05.08 | MatthewWilkes | That's an email carol with a very good justification type thing |
| 15:05.29 | JordiGH | Hm, we used our donation money for that... |
| 15:05.38 | JordiGH | Which isn't very much... |
| 15:05.46 | JordiGH | I didn't think OSPO could fund it. |
| 15:05.52 | MatthewWilkes | JordiGH: Yep, that's certainly one way of doing it. |
| 15:06.17 | MatthewWilkes | It's a limited budget so it's not widely promoted, but OSPO will often do sponsorships |
| 15:06.23 | MatthewWilkes | even if it's just sending some schwag |
| 15:06.53 | JordiGH | idk, I seem silly about panhandling, since we do have enough donation money to pay for our students. |
| 15:06.57 | JordiGH | I feel silly |
| 15:07.20 | MatthewWilkes | JordiGH: Indeed |
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| 15:07.51 | MatthewWilkes | JordiGH: Ours all goes into one pot, so you can see it as partially going to fund the reduced price tickets for students |
| 15:07.56 | JordiGH | I mean, I know Google is sitting on mountains of gold and diamonds, but I still don't like to ask for money that it doesn't look like we need. |
| 15:07.57 | MatthewWilkes | no earmarking of funds, et |
| 15:07.58 | MatthewWilkes | c |
| 15:08.17 | JordiGH | We really were saving this money for the conference. |
| 15:08.38 | JordiGH | I can't think of what else to do with it... maybe pay someone to do some work for us later. |
| 15:09.42 | simonl | JordiGH: Advertize on worldwide TV? ;-) :-P |
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| 15:15.34 | JordiGH | I can't imagine what the world's grandpas and grandmas would do with Octave. |
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| 15:27.44 | vytas | JordiGH, pay to have 1 more student working for you guys next year ? |
| 15:28.09 | JordiGH | Well, we don't have enough money for that, but if we save up for it, we might... |
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| 16:12.57 | Slurpee | I am currently mentoring a student. I was listed on Melange as a mentor at one point and I receive all the mentor mailing list stuff. Plus my student is kicking ass. Logged in today to prepare for midterm evaluations and I am no longer listed on the project. Who can help me? |
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| 16:15.50 | MatthewWilkes | Slurpee: Your org admin |
| 16:16.03 | Slurpee | MatthewWilkes, thanks |
| 16:16.28 | JordiGH | Hm, is "ass" ok? |
| 16:16.41 | JordiGH | I thought we had to bowdlerise it. |
| 16:17.49 | sharvey | "giving swift motions to the rump of the project" |
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| 16:31.26 | pranjal710 | #topic |
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| 17:40.35 | prateekp | when will i be able to submit midterm evaluation . There is no link on my dashboard on melange site |
| 17:40.47 | gevaerts | !next | prateekp |
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| 17:41.40 | prateekp | UTC is same as GMT right |
| 17:41.57 | prateekp | it means after 1.30 hours from now , right? |
| 17:41.59 | thiago | not exactly, but for practical purposes it is |
| 17:42.09 | thiago | yes |
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| 17:42.54 | prateekp | is there anything i need to upload on melange site -- i mean weekly reports ? |
| 17:43.00 | gevaerts | thiago: what do you think? Shall we have another UTC vs GMT debate, with random confusion about DST thrown in? :) |
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| 17:43.13 | thiago | gevaerts: UT1 and TAI too |
| 17:43.23 | gevaerts | prateekp: no |
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| 17:43.36 | thiago | gevaerts: UTC is not the only Universal Time :-) |
| 17:44.12 | gevaerts | thiago: that would make it interesting, but from what I remember most people here get confused when you tell them the offset to GMT changes if you apply DST, so I'm not sure that will work :) |
| 17:44.21 | prateekp | gevaerts - i need to fill the form only , right? |
| 17:44.26 | gevaerts | prateekp: yes |
| 17:44.30 | prateekp | ok |
| 17:44.33 | prateekp | thnx |
| 17:45.19 | prateekp | what benefit an irc has as compared to ordinary chat ... just curious to know |
| 17:45.39 | JordiGH | Would you guys use SDL or PortAudio for implementing audio I/O cross-platformly? |
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| 17:45.56 | thiago | JordiGH: or OpenAL |
| 17:45.59 | clemux | prateekp: what's an ordinary chat? |
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| 17:46.15 | prateekp | simple chat i mean --- gmail chat may be |
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| 17:46.30 | JordiGH | thiago: Which implementation? |
| 17:46.44 | |Kev| | The differences between XMPP and IRC are probably too numerous to mention :) |
| 17:46.47 | prateekp | isnt irc a chat service on which multiple people can talk |
| 17:47.03 | thiago | JordiGH: doesn't matter, that's why there's a specification |
| 17:47.03 | Catfish_Man | prateekp: gmail chat is anything but simple, heh |
| 17:47.07 | |Kev| | But a couple of IRC advantages are that IRC is simpler (mostly) and that it doesn't have identity. |
| 17:47.08 | Catfish_Man | it's much more complicated than irc actually |
| 17:47.17 | JordiGH | thiago: That's always a nice fantasy. :-( |
| 17:47.36 | JordiGH | thiago: The point of standards seems to be to not implement them. :-( |
| 17:47.48 | |Kev| | The great thing about standards is that there're so many to choose from. |
| 17:48.02 | thiago | JordiGH: the point is to see how far from the standard you can be and still claim you're compliant :-) |
| 17:48.58 | prateekp | why open source people use irc |
| 17:49.08 | prateekp | open source community * |
| 17:49.16 | |Kev| | prateekp: Some do, some use XMPP. |
| 17:49.27 | prateekp | ok |
| 17:49.43 | |Kev| | IRC is much older and so gets the de facto standard award. |
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| 17:49.58 | JordiGH | There's an IRC RFC. |
| 17:50.03 | JordiGH | And an IRC port! |
| 17:50.04 | |Kev| | People don't tend to migrate from things that work :) |
| 17:50.08 | JordiGH | Which nobody ever, ever uses. |
| 17:50.30 | |Kev| | JordiGH: Yes, and I think that for C2S there's even some resemblance between the real protocol and the spec. |
| 17:50.34 | JordiGH | prateekp: The nice thing about IRC is that it's such a simple and dumb protocol that there can be tons of clients for it. |
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| 17:51.30 | prateekp | hmm ok |
| 17:52.02 | JordiGH | prateekp: You're using Xchat, but there's tons of other popular clients for it. |
| 17:52.14 | JordiGH | Some idiot friend of mine, bless his bones, implemented an IRC client in Matlab. |
| 17:52.34 | gevaerts | Sounds brilliant! |
| 17:52.45 | clemux | and freenode has been around since 1995 (under different names) |
| 17:52.51 | |Kev| | Now is that asserting that he's an idiot because he wrote the IRC client, or that he uses matlab? :p |
| 17:53.07 | Catfish_Man | |Kev|: false dilemma |
| 17:53.10 | clemux | (oftc since 2001) |
| 17:53.13 | prateekp | hahah |
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| 17:53.40 | JordiGH | prateekp: It's not even that difficult to implement the protocol yourself in real time. Telnet to irc.freenode.net port 6666, and I think you only need to know like two commands (NICK and JOIN) and you'll have implemented enough of the protocol to chat. |
| 17:53.41 | prateekp | JordiGh: how did u know that i am using Xchat |
| 17:53.52 | JordiGH | prateekp: I asked your client and your client responded. |
| 17:53.57 | |Kev| | /ctcp prateekp version |
| 17:54.02 | |Kev| | I imagine. |
| 17:54.16 | JordiGH | Yes. |
| 17:54.21 | prateekp | hmm |
| 17:54.30 | JordiGH | |Kev|: He just implemented an IRC client in Matlab for jokes. |
| 17:55.32 | prateekp | but is there an organisation that supports IRC functioning |
| 17:55.45 | JordiGH | |Kev|: Amusingly enough, his code also runs in Octave, so I guess Octave also has an IRC client now. |
| 17:56.01 | |Kev| | prateekp: Not in the same way that XMPP has the XSF, I think. |
| 17:56.04 | |Kev| | But what do you mean? |
| 17:56.07 | JordiGH | prateekp: I don't know, is there an organisation that supports email functioning? |
| 17:56.11 | |Kev| | JordiGH: Nevermind, I won't hold it against you. |
| 17:56.16 | JordiGH | prateekp: Or supports http functioning? |
| 17:56.25 | |Kev| | JordiGH: Well, email's still under active work at the IETF. |
| 17:56.29 | JordiGH | prateekp: IRC is just a network protocol over TCP, like so many other protocols. |
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| 17:57.22 | prateekp | but how we are be able to do chat now .. I mean we are chatting on #gsoc channel on freenode ... but where is the original server / machine running |
| 17:57.46 | JordiGH | prateekp: IRC is decentralised. We may be in different servers yet be in the same channel. |
| 17:57.56 | prateekp | ohh nice |
| 17:58.06 | |Kev| | JordiGH: And yet also centralised, that's an unfortunate point, I think. |
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| 17:58.23 | JordiGH | prateekp: You currently seem to be using a server in Lithuania. I'm using a server in Germany. |
| 17:58.38 | prateekp | no i am in india |
| 17:58.45 | |Kev| | prateekp: Your server isn't. |
| 17:58.48 | JordiGH | prateekp: But you're connected to a server in Lithuania. |
| 17:58.51 | prateekp | ok |
| 17:58.54 | prateekp | may be |
| 17:59.14 | simonl | Is it not fair to say that IRC has server clustering support at a protocol level, rather than that it is decentralized? |
| 17:59.35 | |Kev| | simonl: Yes, that's closer to the mark. Except there isn't a standard clustering protocol either. |
| 17:59.43 | JordiGH | prateekp: Yeah, you seem to be in Delhi, and India Cellular Limited seems to be your ISP. |
| 17:59.48 | |Kev| | It's probably most accurate to say that most IRC services are deployed clustered. |
| 17:59.49 | simonl | |Kev|: nice :P |
| 18:00.23 | |Kev| | Compare with XMPP, where clustering protocols within a service are also proprietary, but between services there's a standard S2S protocol. |
| 18:01.05 | prateekp | yes i am using Idea Celluar |
| 18:01.10 | prateekp | u r right |
| 18:01.24 | simonl | hmm, how do these irc2otherImProtocol work? |
| 18:01.34 | |Kev| | simonl: Like bitlbee? |
| 18:01.47 | simonl | because those don't show only one user (mostly) |
| 18:01.58 | |Kev| | They're something that speaks IRC C2S as a server, and speaks $OTHER_PROTOCOL C2S as a client. |
| 18:02.07 | simonl | |Kev|: Maybe... never tried bitlbee |
| 18:03.07 | carols | serves some tea and coffee |
| 18:03.15 | sharvey | prateekp: there is no single server for irc, there's various servers that form one network, and then there are various networks |
| 18:03.18 | carols | i see everyone's excited for the midterms :-) |
| 18:03.19 | |Kev| | Morning carols. |
| 18:03.29 | simonl | But I was thinking along the lines of services only allowing a limited number of users/ip. If a bridge emulates every user it goes boom |
| 18:03.30 | carols | morning |Kev| |
| 18:03.31 | sharvey | I maintain an IRC leaf node for another network |
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| 18:03.58 | prateekp | hmm |
| 18:04.19 | |Kev| | carols: Excited for the midterms...yet discussing network topology of different IM services :) |
| 18:04.35 | simonl | for instance there was some discussion in another channel about a bridge that someone set up which used a single username and inserted it's own notation for the users on the other side |
| 18:04.37 | carols | |Kev|: indeed :-) |
| 18:04.46 | sharvey | simonl: you mean bitlbee? |
| 18:04.52 | sharvey | I think you can rename users in bitlbee |
| 18:05.10 | simonl | then it was said that the bridge should talk to the network using the server2server protocol instead of as a regular client |
| 18:05.13 | sharvey | the last time I used that, I renamed all my contacts with prefixes for the protocol they were on |
| 18:05.20 | simonl | sharvey: No, not bitlbee |
| 18:05.32 | prateekp | is there any irc client built for android os |
| 18:05.36 | simonl | I forget the name, but it was a bridge under development |
| 18:05.37 | |Kev| | simonl: Which would be nice if there was a standard IRC S2S protocol. |
| 18:05.58 | sharvey | prateekp: yeah, search the google play store |
| 18:06.06 | prateekp | ok |
| 18:06.10 | simonl | |Kev|: yeah, bc of that discussion I assumed there was, but I guess there isn't then |
| 18:06.24 | |Kev| | My understanding is that, in theory, there is. |
| 18:06.33 | sharvey | I've heard of andchat and yaiic? yaaic? |
| 18:06.40 | |Kev| | But that in practice IRC networks are typically homogenous. |
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| 18:08.03 | prateekp | i guess irc popularity is more because of its consistent use from long time ... rather than due to its user interface |
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| 18:08.24 | |Kev| | prateekp: IRC is a protocol, it doesn't have a user interface. |
| 18:08.29 | sharvey | ^^ |
| 18:08.36 | |Kev| | Individual clients will implement the protocol, and these will have a UI. |
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| 18:08.51 | sharvey | prateekp: I use pidgin for google talk! |
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| 18:08.58 | sharvey | that has a different UI from gmail |
| 18:09.15 | prateekp | ok |
| 18:09.44 | prateekp | ok . so now i am using xchat --- |
| 18:09.53 | prateekp | it has its own ui |
| 18:09.57 | sharvey | yup |
| 18:10.01 | prateekp | ok |
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| 18:12.16 | simonl | sharvey: I remembered the name, if you're interested: JabbR (Not actually XMPP-related, just an unfortunate name) |
| 18:12.29 | sharvey | haha |
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| 18:14.23 | |Kev| | simonl: That's OK. Cisco, it seems, since acquiring the Jabber trademark have since started marketing a chat system, named Jabber, not based on XMPP (although there is an XMPP optional component, or somesuch). |
| 18:14.39 | |Kev| | My understanding of this area is not comprehensive. |
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| 18:16.46 | simonl | I think (sadly) the Jabber trademark value is approaching zero :( |
| 18:17.12 | simonl | XMPP is so unpleasant to say, and it sounds too technical |
| 18:18.11 | Shidash | Where do we submit midterms? I'm not seeing anything on my todo list |
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| 18:18.44 | simonl | !next | Shidash |
| 18:18.45 | gsocbot | Shidash: "next" is July 9th, 19:00 UTC - July 13th, 19:00 UTC: Mentors and students can submit mid-term evaluations |
| 18:18.47 | |Kev| | simonl: Yes, the wonders of politics. |
| 18:19.05 | Shidash | simonl: Yes, I know. But where? |
| 18:19.22 | simonl | nowhere yet, it's not 19:00 UTC yet |
| 18:19.27 | Shidash | ah |
| 18:19.32 | Shidash | had the time wrong |
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| 19:27.39 | prateekp | if i submit the evaluation now can i edit it afterwards |
| 19:27.56 | carols | prateekp: yes, until the deadline |
| 19:27.58 | rickee | Yeah you can |
| 19:28.04 | prateekp | ok |
| 19:32.13 | prateekp | i need to fill all the questions, but what about the question which has 'if' condition |
| 19:32.35 | carols | prateekp: follow the directions. |
| 19:32.46 | prateekp | ok |
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| 19:41.10 | zimba12 | can I answer to some of the questions and then save it for later? |
| 19:42.30 | zimba12 | sorry, I had missed the initial note |
| 19:42.32 | zimba12 | :) |
| 19:42.33 | zimba12 | nevermind |
| 19:42.35 | SukhE | zimba12: No. All questions have to be answered in one go. You can edit them later. |
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| 19:42.49 | zimba12 | SukhE: thanks, I saw it now :) |
| 19:42.50 | SukhE | :) |
| 19:44.25 | nultin | The weird thing is, I don't remember when/how I'd first heard of GSoC. It seems like a long time ago. |
| 19:44.39 | nultin | I wasn't eligible then. :) |
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| 19:50.02 | fxrh | !next |
| 19:50.03 | gsocbot | fxrh: "next" is July 9th, 19:00 UTC - July 13th, 19:00 UTC: Mentors and students can submit mid-term evaluations |
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| 20:03.36 | ashfall_ | Shouldn't the TODO list on the dashboard mention evaluations? |
| 20:04.05 | ashfall_ | Apologies, I guess this should go in #melange. |
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| 20:04.35 | meflin | I think you make your own todo's |
| 20:06.00 | ashfall_ | And that's there too. :) |
| 20:06.28 | fxrh | ashfall_: it's on the dashboard, shouldn't that be enough? |
| 20:09.07 | ashfall_ | fxrh: It most certainly is. But then we do have to submit the evaluations, and we do have a TODO list. I thought it would be nice to have it there as well. |
| 20:09.32 | fxrh | sure, it couldn't hurt |
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| 20:13.55 | meflin | we dont have to do any todo list :) |
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| 20:35.46 | JordiGH | Hm, is there a bug about mentors not being assigned to their students? |
| 20:35.56 | JordiGH | I've heard more than one mentor mysteriously being unassigned from her student. |
| 20:36.21 | carols | JordiGH: you'll probably want to ask the melange team. |
| 20:36.40 | JordiGH | Oh, never mind, at least the last report I got, I understand why it's the case. The person is a backup mentor. |
| 20:36.49 | carols | great |
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| 20:44.28 | JordiGH | Hm, I don't understand the evaluation question of how much time I spend on GSoC. Does this count the time I already spent working for my org before GSoC started? Because I still work with that regularity on my org, GSoC or not. |
| 20:45.19 | carols | JordiGH: no, just on gsoc |
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| 20:46.54 | JordiGH | carols: thx sis |
| 20:47.05 | carols | yw |
| 20:47.15 | meflin | I still found that a difficult question to answer :) |
| 20:48.10 | gevaerts | meflin: remember, the time spent on thinking about the answer needs to be included in the answer! |
| 20:48.25 | meflin | gevaerts: thats why I chose the higher ;) |
| 20:48.28 | JordiGH | gevaerts: Heisenberg's uncertainty principle? |
| 20:48.37 | JordiGH | We can't observe the time spent on GSoC without altering that time itself? |
| 20:48.49 | gevaerts | Precisely |
| 20:48.57 | meflin | since I came to that conclusions quickly perhaps I should have chose the lower ;) |
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| 20:49.35 | gevaerts | How long do you plan to think about whether your answer was correct? |
| 20:49.59 | meflin | then there is the question of .. when you spend hours awake at night wonder if you mentors ( as an admin ) are doing the RIGHT THING(TM) does that count? |
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| 20:50.26 | gevaerts | Or even worse, when the answer to that comes to you in a dream? |
| 20:50.46 | wakeupsid | Inception! |
| 20:50.49 | gevaerts | is notoriously bad at accounting for the time spent in various dreams |
| 20:50.54 | meflin | cyotee already told me that answer ... 15 min tops |
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| 20:51.36 | meflin | silliness while amusing is probably annoying others tho :) |
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| 22:46.56 | chillu | Guten Abend! Is there anybody who could help me add a new co-mentor to a project? I'm an org admin in google-melange.com, and used to have permissions to invite new mentors before. Those seem to have disappeared (maybe when "GSOC proper" started?). FYI, the co-mentor has been going for a while, there just wasn't a need to add him to Melange yet. |
| 22:47.29 | carols | chillu: send an email to the melange team |
| 22:49.07 | AmberJ | Is there some Windows directory analogous to /tmp on unix-like systems? |
| 22:49.17 | chillu | carols: to google-summer-of-code-discuss? (I don't want to spam) |
| 22:49.31 | carols | chillu: melange-soc-dev@googlegroups.com |
| 22:49.35 | chillu | Thanks! |
| 22:49.38 | carols | yw |
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| 22:54.13 | AmberJ | oops sorry, wrong channel |
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