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| 06:09.00 | Shidash | My school name was selected from autocomplete but now melange says it wasn't selected. The name is still there. Is this an issue? |
| 06:13.56 | ankit | Shidash: mail carol |
| 06:14.05 | Upthorn | this is the third report of that I've seen this week |
| 06:14.13 | Upthorn | let me check if it's occuring for me |
| 06:15.00 | Upthorn | ... yep, also occuring for me |
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| 06:19.18 | simonl | Shidash, Upthorn: And for me too |
| 06:19.48 | simonl | maybe this is happening for everyone, but not everyone checks that often? |
| 06:20.46 | Upthorn | that seems like a reasoanble assumption |
| 06:20.50 | Shidash | yeah |
| 06:21.14 | Upthorn | have either of you submitted your evaluations yet? |
| 06:21.37 | Upthorn | or, really, midterm questionaire things |
| 06:22.02 | simonl | I have |
| 06:22.10 | Shidash | I did too |
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| 06:22.32 | Shidash | I was going to wait until Friday so I could have the most up to date info possible but the org admin emailed me asking me to submit so I submitted |
| 06:22.46 | Upthorn | I have also submitted |
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| 06:23.47 | Upthorn | I don't know about the other two people I've seen ask about it here, but from this sample just now it seems possible that this is only happening to students who have submitted their midterm questionaires |
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| 10:51.17 | |Kev| | dberkholz: Thanks, that was useful to share. |
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| 11:35.26 | kai | be vewy, vewy qwiet, I'm hunting mentors |
| 11:36.53 | gevaerts | What's up, Doc? |
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| 11:55.19 | kai | gevaerts: you're not one of my mentors ;) |
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| 11:57.04 | gevaerts | kai: I was hoping you'd forgotten, and that this was about finding volunteers for the mentor summit ;) |
| 12:00.40 | kai | no, this is about the last few that haven't submitted their evals yet |
| 12:01.58 | |Kev| | kai: I'm sure gevaerts would be happy to fill out an eval for you. |
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| 12:02.19 | gevaerts | Oh, definitely! |
| 12:02.21 | kai | hehe |
| 12:02.43 | gevaerts | already knows what he'd write about the example of good or bad interaction |
| 12:03.01 | kai | "student never contacted me once!!!" |
| 12:03.04 | |Kev| | "Kai wouldn't send me to the mentors summit"? |
| 12:03.19 | gevaerts | One of those, yes :) |
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| 12:06.33 | kai | hey wolfb |
| 12:06.42 | wolfb | hey kai! |
| 12:06.46 | wolfb | How's it going? |
| 12:07.30 | kai | a bit tired, as is expected during a week of theatre performances |
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| 12:11.16 | kai | not complaining though, it's great fun |
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| 12:34.53 | vsrao | Hi. Is everyone who's submitted their mid-term questionnaire being faced with the "Choose school through auto-complete" being "No" now? |
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| 12:36.27 | simonl | vsrao: It seems to happen to at least some people. It is no for me too for example |
| 12:36.42 | simonl | Not sure if it is important or not |
| 12:37.29 | vsrao | simonl: Right. |
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| 12:39.30 | kai | !bugs | vsrao |
| 12:39.30 | gsocbot | vsrao: "bugs" is http://tinyurl.com/new-issue |
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| 12:40.48 | vsrao | kai: Okay, I'll submit the issue |
| 12:41.06 | kai | vsrao: you might first want to check if it's already reported, though |
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| 12:42.51 | vsrao | kai: Seems to be a new issue. |
| 12:43.19 | kai | ok |
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| 16:24.17 | Bat`O | hi, Im a mentor. For the midterm evaluation, does google just follow the mentor choice for fail/pass, or also take into account the question before ? |
| 16:25.03 | JordiGH | fail/pass determines if the student gets paid or not. |
| 16:25.33 | Bat`O | only the last question ? |
| 16:26.14 | JordiGH | Yes. I'm not sure how the other questions matter, but only pass/fail determines if the student gets the midterm pay. |
| 16:26.16 | carols | Bat`O: yes, unless the student protests the grade. |
| 16:26.25 | carols | then as per the FAQs, google gets involved. |
| 16:26.30 | carols | but not unless and until. |
| 16:26.40 | Bat`O | ok, thanks :) |
| 16:26.47 | carols | yw |
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| 16:30.51 | aleek | carols: so first, we must buy tickets etc for conference, and then we will get refund, right? |
| 16:31.43 | JordiGH | Conference? What conference? |
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| 16:33.41 | carols | aleek: yes |
| 16:34.07 | JordiGH | If you guys are having a party, I wanna get invited. |
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| 16:52.08 | Irnuk | carols: hello, if a student submitted his midterm evaluation he will get an email when his mentor decides that he passed/failed, or after the deadline of the midterm evaluation? |
| 16:52.36 | carols | Irnuk: after the deadline evaluation. |
| 16:52.54 | Irnuk | ok, thank you! |
| 16:52.57 | carols | yw |
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| 17:15.08 | agliodbs | wow, it's so much easier managing 4 students than 7 |
| 17:15.22 | agliodbs | I don't think we're going to take more than 4 students again as long as I'm admin |
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| 17:17.08 | JordiGH | agliodbs: What project? |
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| 17:24.24 | |Kev| | agliodbs: Yes. We've dropped down from the 10 or so we used to have to about 5. We've crawled up to 7 this year because of some exceptional students, but we've learned to mostly limit how many we take on. |
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| 17:28.43 | agliodbs | JordiGH: Postgres |
| 17:32.02 | JordiGH | agliodbs: really? A project as large as postgres finds 7 students to be too much? |
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| 17:34.07 | bretonium | > What do you consider the most challenging aspect of participating in Google Summer of Code? |
| 17:34.10 | bretonium | what is meant under "challenging"? "Hard, diffcult" or "stimulative"? |
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| 17:37.19 | agliodbs | JordiGH: once you get up to 7, in any given week someone always has a problem |
| 17:37.41 | agliodbs | I'd estimate that last summer I put in ~~ 35 hours as admin |
| 17:37.44 | JordiGH | What kind of problem? |
| 17:37.47 | agliodbs | and I'm not paid to do this |
| 17:38.04 | agliodbs | JordiGH: vacation durning midterms, didn't check code in, doesn't like mentor, etc. |
| 17:38.15 | agliodbs | something requiring administrator intervention |
| 17:38.17 | JordiGH | I see. |
| 17:38.35 | |Kev| | agliodbs: I think you're being quite unlucky if seven students results in one of those events every week. |
| 17:38.57 | agliodbs | |Kev|: well, that's pretty consistent over the last 2 summers |
| 17:39.10 | |Kev| | I didn't say otherwise, but I think it's unlucky :) |
| 17:39.38 | agliodbs | anyway, I'm saying that the amount of administrator time required seems to go up geometrically with the number of students |
| 17:39.53 | |Kev| | Either that or we're very lucky - but we've averaged events that needed administrative intervention maybe two or three times over the last N years. |
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| 17:43.59 | |Kev| | s/averaged/had/ |
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| 17:44.55 | JordiGH | Do you guys know how to change Google's default language? |
| 17:44.58 | agliodbs | kev: well, one issue we have is that all of our mentors are hugely busy with dayjobs. So the mentors aren't very good about handling issues on their own |
| 17:45.10 | JordiGH | Other than proxying through an IP in an different linguistic region? |
| 17:45.23 | agliodbs | JordiGH: browser language settings? |
| 17:45.28 | |Kev| | JordiGH: It used to be in the settings somewhere. Sorry that's not helpful. |
| 17:45.32 | JordiGH | agliodbs: They're ignored. |
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| 17:46.20 | |Kev| | agliodbs: Ah, now, that would make a difference. We try (and may not succeed) to make sure that our mentors are in a position where they can the students considerable attention most days, if needed. I realise that's not always an option. |
| 17:46.35 | sharvey | JordiGH: http://www.google.com/preferences?hl=en |
| 17:46.58 | sharvey | Languages on the left side |
| 17:47.01 | agliodbs | kev: yeah, if we required that mentors have more than 5 hours/week available, we'd have no mentors |
| 17:47.02 | JordiGH | sharvey: Sigh, it's already set there, but I still get French semi-randomly... |
| 17:47.08 | sharvey | oh, :( |
| 17:47.13 | sharvey | french results? |
| 17:47.23 | JordiGH | Not that I mind too much. I can read French, but... |
| 17:47.33 | JordiGH | No, Google Maps is in French, for example. |
| 17:47.45 | sharvey | oh |
| 17:47.47 | JordiGH | Sigh, probably proxying through a US IP is the easiest way to get back into English. |
| 17:47.47 | sharvey | weird |
| 17:47.55 | |Kev| | agliodbs: I think 5 hours a week should be enough for all but the most difficult of students? We certainly don't require that mentors have enough time to average more than an hour a day. |
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| 17:54.56 | agliodbs | right, it just means that if the student becomes a problem, I tend not to hear about it until the next status check |
| 17:55.06 | agliodbs | *and* that status check tends to be late |
| 17:55.47 | |Kev| | We have an all-students (and in theory all-mentors) status meeting each week. So things /shouldn't/ go too long without me knowing about them. |
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| 17:56.03 | |Kev| | Of course, having said that I'll find out in a month that we've had a problem all along and no-one's told me, but I hope not. |
| 17:56.07 | agliodbs | yeah, we can't have a meeting. too many time zones |
| 17:56.16 | agliodbs | so check is by email |
| 17:56.45 | |Kev| | We've managed when we've have students across most of the world before - by sacrificing the mentors. |
| 17:57.35 | |Kev| | (I don't say these because I think we're the model org to follow, just sharing experiences) |
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| 17:57.51 | |Kev| | Morning Carol. |
| 17:58.11 | carols | morning |Kev| |
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| 17:59.53 | agliodbs | kev: yeah, I think I have more difficulty recruiting mentors than you do. What project are you again? |
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| 18:06.57 | |Kev| | agliodbs: XMPP |
| 18:07.10 | |Kev| | So we recruit pretty much one mentor per (software) project. |
| 18:07.32 | |Kev| | We've got one project with two mentors and one (mine) with three this year, but usually it's at most 2 students per project. |
| 18:07.50 | |Kev| | Which probably makes this respect easier (although has its own complications). |
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| 20:03.10 | aried3r | Is 'Before the program was announced' the right option to tick when I've made contact before we were accepted? |
| 20:03.14 | aried3r | (Midterm eval) |
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| 20:07.43 | flak37_ | ^ The program was announced in Feb |
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| 20:22.11 | jps | !next |
| 20:22.12 | gsocbot | jps: "next" is July 9th, 19:00 UTC - July 13th, 19:00 UTC: Mentors and students can submit mid-term evaluations |
| 20:22.31 | jps | !utc |
| 20:22.31 | gsocbot | jps: "utc" is When developing open source, you'll work with people in time zones all over the world. Check http://goo.gl/wUKjq for current times, including UTC. |
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| 20:26.19 | jps | !learn next as Mid-term evaluations from mentors and students are due July 13th, 19:00 UTC http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=evaluations+due&iso=20120713T19 |
| 20:26.19 | gsocbot | jps: "next" is (#1) July 9th, 19:00 UTC - July 13th, 19:00 UTC: Mentors and students can submit mid-term evaluations, or (#2) Mid-term evaluations from mentors and students are due July 13th, 19:00 UTC http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=evaluations+due&iso=20120713T19 |
| 20:26.36 | jps | !forget next 1 |
| 20:26.36 | gsocbot | jps: "next" is Mid-term evaluations from mentors and students are due July 13th, 19:00 UTC http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=evaluations+due&iso=20120713T19 |
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| 20:31.27 | jps | carols: my suggestions have been deleted from an evaluation I submitted |
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| 20:31.40 | carols | jps: please let the melange team know. |
| 20:32.45 | agliodbs | yaaay! no late midterms |
| 20:32.48 | agliodbs | I think that's a first |
| 20:33.22 | carols | agliodbs: you're lucky. we still have about 200 slacker mentors. |
| 20:33.28 | carols | (from other orgs, obviously) |
| 20:34.03 | agliodbs | carols: well, I was just saying that things are MUCH easier with only 4 students this year |
| 20:34.12 | agliodbs | carols: if I'm admin again next year, I'm capping it at that |
| 20:34.17 | carols | ah, yes, i'm sure they are. |
| 20:35.32 | meflin | all green here, but some mentors are _not_ getting chocolate :D |
| 20:36.35 | dfighter | that's np |
| 20:36.44 | dfighter | carols can just eat those instead of them :P |
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| 20:37.36 | meflin | good idea :) |
| 20:38.44 | meflin | I should put that on the wiki for next year ... If we have to bug you to turn in your paperwork .. no chocolate for you |
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| 20:44.12 | jps | carols: since melange ate my suggestions, they were to invite http://julialang.org and rsymbolic.org/projects/2/wiki/Symbolic_Regression which I originally thought could be part of R project but might work better as a separate org |
| 20:44.46 | carols | jps: that suggestion would be best done when and if we decide to run the program next year and are looking for vouches from other orgs about new orgs applying. |
| 20:45.27 | jps | http://rsymbolic.org/ is a pariah from R types who got stung by stepwise regression and think they better not go near it again. I tried to explain this last year in person. I will try my best to help |
| 20:46.29 | jps | let me know if there is something I need to know to help you more effectively, like when and if that time comes, please |
| 20:46.38 | carols | sure. |
| 20:46.44 | carols | not really thinking about that right now :-) |
| 20:46.45 | jps | thank you! cheers! |
| 20:46.48 | carols | i'm sure you understand. |
| 20:46.57 | jps | you are doing a fantastic job |
| 20:47.04 | carols | thanks |
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| 20:47.27 | jps | when the history of early 2010s software development is written, you and your colleagues will probably have several chapters |
| 20:47.41 | carols | i doubt that, but thanks for saying so anyway :-) |
| 20:48.20 | jps | there will probably be so many chapters that people won't read the whole thing |
| 20:48.53 | jps | they will just search on keywords related to you and your work to get to the good parts |
| 20:48.56 | jps | poofs |
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| 20:59.04 | carols | serves some tea and coffee |
| 20:59.18 | carols | refreshes the midterm evaluations results page again |
| 21:00.54 | dfighter | submitted his evaluation a LONG time ago |
| 21:00.58 | dfighter | drinks tea |
| 21:01.10 | sharvey | I submitted mine shortly after it became available |
| 21:01.11 | sharvey | :D |
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| 21:01.42 | dfighter | sharvey I did almost the same, except I fell asleep for a few hours, so I did it when I woke up :P |
| 21:02.17 | sharvey | I was working on some code, and got stuck, so while thinking about how to solve it, I decided to fill in the midterm evals |
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| 21:02.56 | dfighter | yea that works too |
| 21:02.59 | |Kev| | I did mine the morning after. Then immediately started chasing mentors. |
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| 21:36.58 | JordiGH | I get so weirdly excited to see Kevin Smith posting in the mentors list. |
| 21:37.23 | JordiGH | I want to talk to him about his next movie. |
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| 21:45.38 | |Kev| | JordiGH: :p |
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