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| 08:57.14 | Uzix | somebody already got payment? |
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| 08:58.38 | Uzix | oh, looks like it will be after 17th |
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| 09:29.24 | moriginal | Hello, I have passed the midterm evaluation. When the money will be in my google card ? |
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| 09:53.59 | aleek | moriginal: read papers that was delivered to you with welcome package |
| 09:54.09 | aleek | moriginal: there are some dates |
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| 09:54.40 | moriginal | aleek, I am in my hometown, these papers are 200km away from me right now :-) |
| 09:55.16 | aleek | moriginal: iirc 16-17 of July |
| 09:55.32 | aleek | so monday, tuesday:) |
| 09:55.50 | moriginal | ok thanks :) |
| 09:55.55 | aleek | n/p |
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| 11:21.54 | gsocbot | AlexanderS: "next" is Mid-term evaluations from mentors and students are due July 13th, 19:00 UTC http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=evaluations+due&iso=20120713T19 |
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| 11:39.58 | dark-al | hi. anyone got a payment after mid-term? |
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| 11:43.01 | rajul | dark-al: no...they are supposed to be there by the 17th... |
| 11:44.25 | dark-al | rajul, ok, thanks |
| 11:44.40 | rajul | yw |
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| 13:49.03 | baazigar | Hello, if someone has been failed for gsoc, and if he feels that he has wrongly been failed, can the student do something about it? |
| 13:51.41 | gevaerts | baazigar: I have no idea about chances of success, but contacting Carol is always an option |
| 13:53.23 | baazigar | gevaerts, when does she come online on irc? |
| 13:53.35 | ChrisOelmueller | did you try to contact the mentor and organization? |
| 13:53.54 | gevaerts | Probably not during the weekend. During the week, California business hours. I |
| 13:54.04 | gevaerts | I'd recommend sending an email though |
| 13:54.29 | baazigar | ChrisOelmueller, they are online only during night hours. |
| 13:54.53 | baazigar | *late night |
| 13:54.59 | gevaerts | My impression is that she strongly prefers handling matters that require more than three minutes by email |
| 13:56.02 | baazigar | gevaerts, my org selected 2 students for one project. |
| 13:56.11 | baazigar | and one of the students went away |
| 13:56.23 | ChrisOelmueller | i trust you had a way to contact them during the last two months, so perhaps just use that? |
| 13:57.26 | baazigar | and they expected me to do the work for two students by me alone. |
| 13:58.01 | baazigar | ChrisOelmueller, yes, i contacted them at late night on irc. |
| 13:58.16 | ChrisOelmueller | did you agree with those goals? |
| 13:58.16 | gevaerts | The organisation can't change things anymore now, so while talking to them can still be useful, you *need* to get Carol in the loop as soon as possible if you want to change things |
| 13:59.36 | baazigar | gevaerts, i will talk to carol as soon as possible. |
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| 14:01.54 | rajul | baazigar: you can read here... |
| 14:01.56 | rajul | In the also unlikely event that a student does not agree with a mentoring organization’s evaluation decision at either the midterm or the final, the student may choose to submit his/her entire project plan, timeline and code sample to Google’s program administrators. Google will choose an independent engineer to review the code and arbitrate the decision. The decision of Google’s independent engineer is final. |
| 14:02.02 | rajul | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs#evaluations |
| 14:03.08 | rajul | baazigar: the paragraph is at the above link....all the best!! |
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| 15:06.44 | baazigar | My gsoc project has been failed citing reasons that 500 lines of code is too less. I have worked 40 hours a week, my time was spent in reading existing code and learning new things which my project demanded and debugging which took up most of my time. Can someone tell me if its too less? |
| 15:07.14 | gevaerts | not without a massive amount of context |
| 15:07.30 | |Kev| | baazigar: Whether what you have done is enough can only be judged by whether your mentor is happy, I'm afraid. |
| 15:07.44 | gevaerts | Also, what we think is totally irrelevant, we don't decide anything |
| 15:07.45 | |Kev| | Or, failing that, by appeal to Google (I /think/) |
| 15:08.26 | baazigar | |Kev|, he has failed me, so i want to appeal to google. Would they think if the code quantity is too less? |
| 15:08.40 | scr4ve | gaazigar: Did you provide any other documentation of your work except the code? |
| 15:08.43 | Ivanovic | baazigar: as far as i know they leave the rating to the orgs |
| 15:09.08 | |Kev| | My student, for what it's worth, has written 1000 lines of code. LoC is a fairly poor measure of anything. |
| 15:09.09 | scr4ve | LoC is a bad rating for quality, but two lines per hours sounds pretty unrealistic. |
| 15:09.12 | Ivanovic | baazigar: that is: was it obvious for your mentor to see that you are actually spending the time getting used to stuff? |
| 15:09.25 | |Kev| | scr4ve: I'm not convinced that's true, really. |
| 15:09.29 | Ivanovic | plus: to get to know the code base and the team, there is the bonding time |
| 15:09.30 | gevaerts | baazigar: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs#evaluations is the only thing we know |
| 15:09.45 | |Kev| | scr4ve: My student's been doing double that, and I'm entirely happy with his progress. |
| 15:10.00 | |Kev| | So I think just sticking with "LoC is a bad rating for quality" would be better :) |
| 15:10.14 | scr4ve | |Kev|: May I ask what you're working on? |
| 15:10.18 | |Kev| | (I realise double is more, but it's the same order of magnitude) |
| 15:10.32 | |Kev| | scr4ve: I'm with the XSF (XMPP) |
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| 15:11.04 | scr4ve | baazigar: May we ask which topic you're working on? :) |
| 15:11.13 | |Kev| | (For getting this value I did git diff 6080dd4915801b45598268c805b62aa6c723a3a3 | grep -c '+' - where that hash is the last commit before he forked) |
| 15:11.31 | |Kev| | (So it's not entirely accurate, but it's a fair enough number) |
| 15:11.32 | baazigar | scr4ve, scribus project manager |
| 15:11.34 | gevaerts | |Kev|: what's wrong with diffstat? |
| 15:11.49 | |Kev| | gevaerts: Other than I'm too much of a newb to be aware of it -probably nothing :) |
| 15:12.08 | |Kev| | 39 files changed, 920 insertions(+), 71 deletions(-) |
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| 15:13.51 | baazigar | Are there people here who have approx. same lines of code and still they passed? |
| 15:14.15 | baazigar | i want to complain about scribus. |
| 15:14.38 | baazigar | last year also they failed 2 of 4. and this year too. |
| 15:15.08 | Ivanovic | and you never heard your mentor complain to you about your progress? |
| 15:15.17 | Ivanovic | (assuming you had regular meetings) |
| 15:15.20 | |Kev| | Have they given any indication that they weren't happy with your progress prior to failing you? |
| 15:15.25 | Ivanovic | and you did not miss your goals set? |
| 15:15.42 | baazigar | Ivanovic, true, my mentor didnt say anthing to me before failing. |
| 15:16.05 | Ivanovic | but you had regular meetings to talk about your progress and problems you are facing? |
| 15:16.20 | baazigar | Ivanovic, my project had two students working on the same project. |
| 15:16.32 | baazigar | and one of them left. |
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| 15:16.53 | baazigar | only i was working for it, so the expected goals changed. |
| 15:17.06 | Ivanovic | and have you met those changed goals? |
| 15:17.13 | baazigar | obviously no. |
| 15:17.30 | baazigar | they didnt change the goals. |
| 15:17.44 | baazigar | neither did they ask me to change. |
| 15:17.51 | Ivanovic | honestly, this sounds somehow strange to me |
| 15:18.07 | Ivanovic | and yeah, here i won't say anything judging about any of the involved sides |
| 15:18.26 | Ivanovic | you should talk to the admin of your org about this and listen patiently on the explaination of why you were failed |
| 15:19.07 | baazigar | i coulnt get a satisfactory answer from them, i am mailing to carol. |
| 15:19.17 | gevaerts | nods |
| 15:20.20 | Ivanovic | baazigar: in this mail make sure to not rant but just state *everything* that happened and the general procedure involved |
| 15:20.29 | Ivanovic | anything else (especially ranting!) will not help |
| 15:20.45 | |Kev| | baazigar: How often did you talk to your mentor? |
| 15:20.48 | Fatbag | If your project included much more research than application (mine certainly did), you might have a chance. But you haven't told us the details of your project. |
| 15:21.06 | |Kev| | Fatbag: http://wiki.scribus.net/canvas/GSoC_2012_Project_Manager_baazigar |
| 15:21.20 | |Kev| | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2012/rajatgupta/1002 |
| 15:21.58 | gevaerts | I'd say the "two students working on the same project" bit is important. If that's accurate, the organisation is far from blameless |
| 15:22.18 | |Kev| | gevaerts: If http://wiki.scribus.net/canvas/Category:GSOC_2012 is to be believed, they seemed to have a plan. |
| 15:22.27 | baazigar | |Kev|, as i told you this is depreciated, because the other student left and never talked. |
| 15:22.41 | baazigar | *this timeline |
| 15:23.56 | baazigar | and one mentor told me that this is 2 years work that you are doing. |
| 15:24.15 | baazigar | would that help if i show it to carols on irclogs? |
| 15:24.40 | Ivanovic | baazigar: but you created the timeline? and did you sync the timeline with the project? |
| 15:24.45 | Ivanovic | anyway, i am off now, cu |
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| 15:26.07 | scr4ve | IMO this is a clear failure of communication. |
| 15:26.12 | baazigar | Ivanovic, yes i created. But i was told about the project difficulty much later. |
| 15:26.44 | gevaerts | doesn't actually think discussing this here now will achieve much. None of us can get a complete overview of things, so we can't form any sort of relevant opinion, and such an opinion wouldn't matter anyway |
| 15:26.56 | scr4ve | acks |
| 15:27.04 | |Kev| | <a/> |
| 15:27.19 | gevaerts | Make sure you provide all relevant information to the Google people. That's the *only* advice we can give |
| 15:27.35 | |Kev| | Well, and calmly. |
| 15:27.45 | scr4ve | |Kev|: May I ask what a closing html tag stands for? :) |
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| 15:27.48 | baazigar | gevaerts, thanks, I am off now. |
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| 15:27.53 | scr4ve | (Sorry for getting off topic) |
| 15:28.15 | |Kev| | scr4ve: It's nothing to do with HTML. (Nor is it a closing tag). It's a XEP-0198 ack, obviously ;) |
| 15:28.38 | |Kev| | (Although I should have namespaced it into xmlns='urn:xmpp:sm:3'. |
| 15:28.39 | gevaerts | what's wrong with ASCII 6? |
| 15:29.02 | scr4ve | ouch. looked so similar. Don't tell anyone that my project has to do with html5 ;-P |
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| 15:49.11 | Fatbag | It would have been nice to see a project manager in Scribus, actually |
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| 20:40.27 | kstar | Hi. I'm just curious if there's some compilation of testimonials on GSoC somewhere on the interwebs. |
| 20:40.38 | kstar | Testimonials from students on how GSoC helped them / changed their life etc. |
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| 20:41.38 | ChrisOelmueller | i know the ospo blog recently featured one such story |
| 20:42.04 | ChrisOelmueller | http://google-opensource.blogspot.de/2012/02/road-not-taken-adventures-of-post.html |
| 20:43.56 | kstar | I think a compilation of video testimonials might be good publicity for GSoC. |
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