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| 02:51.17 | thealphanerd | are the final results posted anywhere online, I'm having no luck finding it anywhere. Probably going to turn out like my keys, right under my nose |
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| 06:19.07 | gani | Hey all, I havent got my final payments till now... we were supposed to get them on 27 th right ? has anybody here recieved the final payments ? |
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| 06:20.40 | gsocbot | gani: "next" is Beginning 24 August 2012, passing students can begin submitting code samples to Melange with a soft deadline of 14 September 2012 at 19:00 UTC. See http://goo.gl/NRoRW for more details. |
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| 06:37.58 | gsocbot | argonel: "payment" is (#1) http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/studentpaymentcards, or (#2) All payments to students passing the final evaluations will be made after 19:30 UTC on 24 August, which means they will be effective on your cards on or after Tuesday, 28 August |
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| 07:04.46 | thade_w | Hi, I have a question about mentor summit. My or has a mentor who would like to go, but as he is currently looking for employment, its slightly possible that if he finds a job he might be unable to come after all... Should I tell him to pass or are late cancelations an option? |
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| 07:06.48 | kai | thade_w: it likely is an option, but if your org has other mentors who are interested, I'd say it'd be a bit unfair to not send them instead |
| 07:07.00 | thade_w | kai, we dont. |
| 07:07.34 | kai | I'd check with carol, just to be sure |
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| 07:07.43 | thade_w | kai: 90% of our mentors are in europe... a trip to US is not just a weekend hopover... |
| 07:07.53 | kai | thade_w: it sure is |
| 07:07.58 | kai | I've been doing this for years |
| 07:08.40 | thade_w | kai: not if you have to get the visa/clearance etc first:) I looked at the questionaire once:P |
| 07:09.19 | kai | most of europe shouldn't need a visum these days |
| 07:09.26 | thade_w | One of our mentors is in the area this year tho, so at least one preson from GIMP is going... :) |
| 07:09.37 | kai | at least western and central, that is |
| 07:09.48 | |Kev| | kai: It's possible to do it for a weekend, but it's still sufficiently inconvenient I've yete to manage it. |
| 07:09.51 | thade_w | you do need the visa waiver AFAIK... |
| 07:09.53 | |Kev| | s/ete/et/ |
| 07:10.07 | thade_w | Even from excempt countries. |
| 07:10.08 | kai | sheesh, don't tell me the visa waiver thing is a big deal |
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| 07:10.33 | kai | you used to be able to fill it out inflight |
| 07:10.37 | thade_w | it may be for some. |
| 07:11.14 | thade_w | not any more. Its a long electronic one you need to fill beforehand and have it aproved and you have to have a biometric passport. |
| 07:11.21 | kai | I find it much easier to tick "no" for "do you want to kill the president" now that it isn't bush anymore ;) |
| 07:11.29 | thade_w | :D |
| 07:12.35 | kai | for EU countries, if you still have an old one that's valid, I think you can still use that, and the approval beforehand, yes, that's a bit annoying, but also only takes a few minutes to click through |
| 07:13.48 | kai | anyway, I'm just saying that "it's a long trip from europe" doesn't mean there aren't a lot of europeans going |
| 07:13.59 | thade_w | kai, sure:) |
| 07:14.08 | thade_w | We are trying to send one too ;) |
| 07:14.17 | kai | but of course if none of your mentors feel like it, you certainly can't force them |
| 07:14.37 | kai | I think the tricky part to cancel is the plane ticket |
| 07:14.46 | thade_w | It's just the fact that it takes a little more effort and time off from work than an employed person can fit in his/her schedule. |
| 07:15.04 | kai | because the ones that you can actually cancel without sinking too much money are way more expensive |
| 07:15.24 | thade_w | hmm... We can put off the plane ticket a bit longer I think. |
| 07:16.20 | thade_w | In europe any employment process takes at least a month usually... so month ahead we should know if he can go or not. |
| 07:16.44 | kai | I've done the round-trip with one day off work, though arguably I snuck out early on friday |
| 07:17.20 | kai | and it's not that much fun to land early in the morning and then go to work after an intercontinental flight |
| 07:17.28 | thade_w | yeah |
| 07:18.59 | thade_w | and on site youll have anice 2 day jetlag to deal with too... |
| 07:20.44 | thade_w | kai: Thanks for info. I'll talk to him... If you could confirm the latest time for cancelation with carol it would be awesome... |
| 07:20.45 | kai | I don't bother adjusting my timezone for a two-day trip |
| 07:21.01 | kai | it's just a crazy weekend, I sometimes have that without leaving town ;) |
| 07:25.16 | kai | thade_w: just send her an email |
| 07:25.36 | thade_w | ok. |
| 07:25.56 | thade_w | I came here, because I was hoping to get a reply here faster, but will do :) |
| 07:26.34 | kai | but there's a lot of things that no one but the person who has to approve the bills can decide |
| 07:26.40 | thade_w | ok |
| 07:26.45 | thade_w | :) thnaks. |
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| 12:08.55 | gsocbot | vikash: "next" is Beginning 24 August 2012, passing students can begin submitting code samples to Melange with a soft deadline of 14 September 2012 at 19:00 UTC. See http://goo.gl/NRoRW for more details. |
| 12:11.43 | spectre | hey all |
| 12:11.52 | spectre | has anyone received their PO yet ? |
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| 12:41.21 | JEEB | dfighter, "Your XE Trade online currency exchange transaction has been completed. This serves as your receipt for the transaction. Please save this message for your records. " |
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| 12:45.55 | gsocbot | ashwyn: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
| 12:46.09 | ashwyn | !next |
| 12:46.10 | gsocbot | ashwyn: "next" is Beginning 24 August 2012, passing students can begin submitting code samples to Melange with a soft deadline of 14 September 2012 at 19:00 UTC. See http://goo.gl/NRoRW for more details. |
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| 16:01.09 | thealphanerd | wa there an official release of accepted projects??? |
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| 16:03.31 | chetan_ | thealphanerd: You mean successful projects that passed GSoC 2012 |
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| 16:32.01 | gary_b | people sending condescending a****** posts to the mailing list annoy me |
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| 16:35.25 | dfighter | JEEB ok, awesome, as soon as I have the full amount I'll do so too then :) |
| 16:44.56 | alex|D-Guy | gary_b, well I've been 3hrs afk and BAM, 20 new mails about money stuff...and this irc channel here remains untouched..WHY? :D |
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| 16:52.42 | gani | !payment |
| 16:52.42 | gsocbot | gani: "payment" is (#1) http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/studentpaymentcards, or (#2) All payments to students passing the final evaluations will be made after 19:30 UTC on 24 August, which means they will be effective on your cards on or after Tuesday, 28 August |
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| 17:07.30 | gary_b | alex|D-Guy2: i dont see what that's got to do with one participant in gsoc writing condescending emails directed at another |
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| 17:10.13 | gary_b | the mailing list is filled with students, the offender in this case is a mentor no less. To behave in that fashion in my mind is quite wrong |
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| 17:20.11 | alex|D-Guy2 | gary_b, hmm, anyway it was better if they would use the irc instead of that huge pile of spam-like mails |
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| 17:21.07 | gary_b | alex|D-Guy2: agreed. I lot of mails to that list are unnecessary. |
| 17:21.14 | gary_b | *a |
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| 17:27.59 | vidora | Hi, when will citibank start charging monthly fees ? |
| 17:28.27 | alex|D-Guy2 | vidora, in ~6 months |
| 17:28.30 | vidora | I can't seem to find where I've read about that... (6 months), will that start from April ? |
| 17:28.37 | vidora | or from last payment |
| 17:28.40 | alex|D-Guy2 | dunno |
| 17:28.48 | dmp | last year it was since january for me |
| 17:29.18 | dmp | but I'm not sure |
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| 17:30.38 | vidora | dmp, thanks |
| 17:31.09 | vidora | Having problems with withdrawing money from ATMs that say Visa Card but aren't Citibank's |
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| 18:04.35 | foundation | o/ |
| 18:05.24 | foundation | has anyone actually received the final payment ? |
| 18:05.53 | dfighter | !payment |
| 18:05.54 | gsocbot | dfighter: "payment" is (#1) http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/studentpaymentcards, or (#2) All payments to students passing the final evaluations will be made after 19:30 UTC on 24 August, which means they will be effective on your cards on or after Tuesday, 28 August |
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| 18:06.24 | foundation | :) |
| 18:06.32 | waldi | no name and no patience |
| 18:06.55 | foundation | i know that, was interested if they actually started ... |
| 18:07.08 | gonyere | i haven't gotten mine yet either |
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| 18:11.42 | vsrao | I have problems accessing google-opensource.blogspot.com. Is it just me? |
| 18:12.10 | foundation | works fine here |
| 18:13.32 | vsrao | Can't even ping; must be some weird DNS lookup thing. |
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| 18:51.50 | allman | Hi all. |
| 18:52.34 | JEEB | oh, you're the person who sent the spreadsheet to the mailing list? |
| 18:52.42 | JEEB | (and yes, hi) |
| 18:54.01 | allman | yup - that's me. And hi back :) |
| 18:56.00 | JEEB | I wonder how divided the results will be |
| 18:56.30 | JEEB | because while I would be completely OK with the invoice and all, the time lag and all could be a killer for others |
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| 18:57.19 | allman | so far it's about 50/50 bank versus payment card. I was hoping for a clear signal one way or the other - but that would have been too easy ;-) |
| 18:57.27 | JEEB | hehe |
| 18:57.40 | |Kev| | Geographic correlation? |
| 18:58.06 | allman | none - again with the "too easy" |
| 18:58.11 | |Kev| | (I guess you asked the students if they'd rather bank transfer/cheque or keeping with the card) |
| 18:58.40 | |Kev| | I guess the correlation is between people who want to use it to buy new laptops and shinies versus people who want to use it to live off. |
| 18:58.43 | |Kev| | But it's just a guess. |
| 18:59.49 | |Kev| | I don't remember properly, but I think it was cheque back in 2006; it certainly wasn't a card. I think I prefered it that way. |
| 18:59.59 | gevaerts | I'd expect a correlation between people who've had issues with the payment card and those who haven't :) |
| 19:00.26 | JEEB | well, if the lag would be a known thing to the person beforehand, it would just mean that the payments would come at a later date. One could set up his personal expenses so that it would be a feasible alternative. |
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| 19:00.33 | allman | Bank transfer versus card - no check option |
| 19:00.37 | dfighter | |Kev| now imagine the QQ with a 45days lag, when people can't take 3-4 days right now for the sum to appear on the card :P |
| 19:00.52 | foundation | heh , imagine the number of mails from people waiting for cheques ... adsense cheques take about a month to checkout in banks around here |
| 19:01.01 | |Kev| | allman: Do you mean I'm wrong that it was a cheque when I did it, or just that it's not on the cards now? |
| 19:01.01 | JEEB | dfighter, people will always herp a derp |
| 19:01.07 | |Kev| | BT is preferable to cheque anyway I think. |
| 19:01.08 | JEEB | that will never change |
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| 19:01.20 | dfighter | that's true |
| 19:01.35 | gevaerts | If you have a bank that knows what a bank transfer is, sure |
| 19:01.50 | |Kev| | I get charged silly amounts by my bank for handling my royalty cheques from O'Reilly, given the cheques are for almost nothing. |
| 19:02.04 | allman | member:identifier:%7Ckev%7C: I don't remember any payments by check, but I wasn't with Google until 2007. |
| 19:02.06 | JEEB | yeah, certain countries make it harder for the user of an account to find various information |
| 19:03.17 | dfighter | well thanks to JEEB we now know that xe.com works, and know all needed information. so now it will be a lot easier to get the money from the card. From this perspective the card is probably better |
| 19:03.34 | gevaerts | In some countries banks are hardly distinguishable from their namesakes next to rivers. You can bury your money in them, you might get it back later, but you certainly can't do more with it |
| 19:04.48 | foundation | cards work fine, just buy something shiny for somebody and let them pay to you in cash :) |
| 19:05.24 | JEEB | foundation, haha -- I wish I knew such a person and something that could be bought from inside USA that could then be transfered here without big amounts of money |
| 19:05.25 | |Kev| | foundation: Then you're into interesting territory tax-wise, mind. |
| 19:05.45 | JEEB | dfighter, looking at how much my bank would take for a transfer I would most probably still prefer a bank transfer. Not to mention less shady and all :) |
| 19:06.15 | JEEB | (the web interface is really shady and does have its fits) |
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| 19:06.55 | foundation | oh ,i'm not being serious ofc, i just think that cards work best for most of the people |
| 19:07.23 | JEEB | I bet people within the US have absolutely no problem with the card :) |
| 19:08.09 | gevaerts | JEEB: they'd probably prefer a photo of a cheque though :) |
| 19:08.20 | JEEB | lol |
| 19:09.43 | dfighter | yea understandable |
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| 19:48.01 | simonl | hey, about the payment vote... |
| 19:48.17 | simonl | Is there a reason for it being an invoice? |
| 19:48.58 | simonl | normally salaries (at least where I live) are paid by direct bank transfer without an invoice |
| 19:49.26 | simonl | Which seems far superior to both a debit card and sending invoices to the other side of the world |
| 19:50.12 | gevaerts | simonl: you're confusing two different things |
| 19:50.23 | gevaerts | Payment method has nothing to do with employment type |
| 19:51.04 | simonl | gevaerts: no, so why wouldn't the same kind of payment system work for gsoc? |
| 19:51.32 | gevaerts | Direct bank transfers don't work at all in some parts of the world |
| 19:52.04 | simonl | do invoices work in those places then? |
| 19:52.06 | MatthewWilkes | simonl: Do you want to volunteer to coordinate temporary employment across a huge number of countries, with all their differences, and do it in the space of a few days like the cards work? |
| 19:52.29 | gevaerts | What do invoices have to do with the payment type? |
| 19:52.42 | simonl | MatthewWilkes: I would not. |
| 19:53.51 | gevaerts | Invoices are bits of paper (or equivalent sets of bits) that say money is owed. They don't actually *do* anything |
| 19:53.54 | simonl | gevaerts: frankly I don't know :) But if an invoice cannot be payed by bank transfer, how do you pay it? |
| 19:54.17 | gevaerts | Any way you like |
| 19:54.19 | meflin | cash, check, card, barter |
| 19:54.30 | olasd | beer |
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| 19:54.51 | meflin | beer counts as barter :) |
| 19:55.02 | MatthewWilkes | beer is hard to declare on tax forms |
| 19:55.04 | meflin | same for chocolate, tea, cookies ... |
| 19:55.18 | simonl | ok, this conversation is not focused around the issue really... |
| 19:55.21 | gevaerts | The cards do indeed have disadvantages for many people, but at least they *work* for almost everyone |
| 19:55.38 | simonl | My real question was why the bank transfer would include sending invoices |
| 19:56.50 | gevaerts | Where does it say that? |
| 19:56.51 | simonl | which seems cumbersome given 1) It is a fixed, known amount and b) we have a great system for managing these kinds of things (melange) |
| 19:57.04 | JEEB | simonl, basically to give the bigger finance division a way to know your details regarding it all :P |
| 19:57.27 | simonl | gevaerts: in the dropdown of the survey posted to the gsoc-students-list |
| 19:57.56 | gevaerts | Right |
| 19:58.04 | gevaerts | hasn't seen that |
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| 19:58.13 | meflin | not everyone is on the student list |
| 19:58.23 | gevaerts | Probably because they're handled different by the accounting people |
| 19:58.26 | JEEB | basically a survey for those who are there |
| 19:58.32 | SeriousWorm | the main benefit of google's credit card is the coolness factor, imho |
| 19:58.44 | JEEB | well, yeah -- like the T-shirt :P |
| 19:58.47 | simonl | ok, the design is cool |
| 19:58.49 | SeriousWorm | I mean, you're probably the only guy in your whole extended social circle with a google issued credit card :) |
| 19:59.00 | JEEB | note: it's not google issued |
| 19:59.01 | JEEB | lol |
| 19:59.05 | simonl | and it is fairly compatible |
| 19:59.12 | JEEB | yeah, true |
| 19:59.14 | SeriousWorm | well, people don't know that, I mean they see a cool Google logo :) |
| 19:59.18 | simonl | but the fees are not great :P |
| 19:59.23 | foundation | it has a transparent google logo , sure it's cool ! :) |
| 19:59.53 | JEEB | well, those who are on the mailing list can think about the future and select the answer that matches them most |
| 19:59.54 | SeriousWorm | the downside is that in my country, nobody has "custom" credit cards so everytime I use it, people take a few seconds going "WTF is this" in their heads before realizing it's a credit card :) |
| 19:59.59 | simonl | but I really don't want to be using is much, given it's magnetic-strip onl |
| 20:00.10 | gevaerts | Don't expect things to suddenly become free if something else than a card is used. Inter-currency money handling is *not* cheap, however you do it |
| 20:00.18 | JEEB | yes |
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| 20:00.41 | JEEB | I think it costs me 30 or so euros to send money to US/JPN from here in the set currencies |
| 20:00.43 | simonl | gevaerts: I don't think the fees would be as large though |
| 20:00.51 | JEEB | and I would expect similar costs from US back here |
| 20:00.54 | JEEB | that said |
| 20:00.57 | JEEB | 3 per cent |
| 20:01.03 | JEEB | of the sum |
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| 20:01.07 | JEEB | is pretty high |
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| 20:01.14 | gevaerts | gives JEEB a lack of enter key |
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| 20:01.30 | JEEB | naturally, some banks might be even worse |
| 20:01.34 | JEEB | not gonna ignore that point |
| 20:01.54 | gevaerts | Sure, 3% is high, but you're never going to remove all of that |
| 20:01.58 | JEEB | yes |
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| 20:02.01 | JEEB | and that's not the idea |
| 20:02.30 | JEEB | also, for me the only way to get my money was through an ATM, and I really disliked guessing things before python to see how many euros I could take out |
| 20:02.46 | gevaerts | Also remember that you *do* have the option of waiting for a better day exchange-rate-wise |
| 20:02.51 | simonl | The fees at the moment are so high that it might _actually_ pay off to try to find ways around them |
| 20:03.02 | JEEB | yeah |
| 20:03.05 | JEEB | unfortunately |
| 20:03.42 | JEEB | I think I just paid 20 USD to get my money from US to FI, while... 3% of 2000+ USD would be... |
| 20:03.55 | simonl | and not pay off as in "yeah, I got myself a dollar!" but "yeah, I got a decent salary for the time I spent" |
| 20:04.41 | JEEB | 2000 * 0.03 = 60, so I saved ~40 USD. Whether or not the time it took for me to get here is a whole separate discussion though |
| 20:07.40 | simonl | JEEB: was there a mailing list thread about using xe.com? Which title? |
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| 20:08.47 | JEEB | one of the older ones, and it's not up to date, you will have to get new information from xe if you go that way |
| 20:09.20 | simonl | didn't you do that? |
| 20:09.53 | JEEB | so far it seems like it went through, yes. But I'm still waiting to see the results on my account |
| 20:10.35 | JEEB | I will not be endorsing anything before I get everything out successfully |
| 20:10.38 | simonl | ah, I see. Be sure to report if it works and how to do it :) |
| 20:10.54 | JEEB | sure |
| 20:10.57 | simonl | JEEB: A healty standpoint :) |
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| 20:39.07 | gary_b | 45 day turn around time to pay an invoice seems excessive |
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| 20:41.14 | thiago | accounts receivable in 60 or 90 days are normal |
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| 20:42.37 | gary_b | as in thats the fastest an invoice can get processed? |
| 20:43.12 | thiago | no, it can be processed much quicker |
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| 20:43.29 | thiago | my point is that many companies pay their suppliers after 60 days on intention |
| 20:43.31 | |Kev| | There is generally a difference between how quickly business /can/ pay invoices and how quickly they want to. |
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| 20:44.26 | gary_b | google is stating they arnt willing to commit to faster than 45 days in this case, they arnt dealing with another multinational or large supplier |
| 20:44.42 | |Kev| | They /are/ a multinational large supplier :) |
| 20:44.58 | gary_b | we are the supplier providing the invoice |
| 20:45.08 | gary_b | they are the client |
| 20:45.27 | gary_b | for the purposes of this transaction |
| 20:45.43 | |Kev| | Right, but who the supplier isn't generally the point. Businesses try to pay invoices as late as they can, often. |
| 20:45.55 | |Kev| | Not claiming that's the case with Google. |
| 20:46.12 | gary_b | the point is the offer they are giving us |
| 20:46.24 | gary_b | which is 45 days |
| 20:48.18 | |Kev| | Yes, I was just saying that businesses taking a while to pay invoices isn't unusual. |
| 20:48.54 | gary_b | thats correct, but this is a different situation than the usual business paying supplier scenario |
| 20:49.10 | thiago | btw, the client receives the invoice, the supplier sends it |
| 20:49.11 | gary_b | google already pays us in a timely fashion, through a different method |
| 20:49.12 | thiago | the client pays |
| 20:50.31 | gary_b | but moving to a bank transfer payment system seems to put us into this long turn around time process |
| 20:51.21 | gary_b | thiago: thats right |
| 20:52.50 | foundation | if anybody cares, i just got the money deposited on my account, so payments have started |
| 20:53.03 | gary_b | nice to know |
| 20:53.09 | allman | indeed :) |
| 20:53.38 | foundation | tho my name starts with an A , so i might be at the start of the list :) |
| 20:53.58 | gary_b | surname i hope ;) |
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| 20:57.48 | gary_b | yea i got mine too |
| 20:58.09 | dfighter | same |
| 20:58.20 | dfighter | now just gotta transfer it to my bank |
| 21:05.11 | simonl | sigh, I can never remember my citibank password... My normal password system does not work (too complex for citibank) so I have to use something else :/ |
| 21:06.53 | gary_b | simonl: i think well be able to get VS 2012 ultimate through the dreamspark premuim account that comes with acm membership, though only professional is there atmo |
| 21:07.23 | gary_b | well, the release candidate is up, but probably no point in getting that at this stage |
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| 21:07.55 | simonl | gary_b: nice! |
| 21:08.26 | gary_b | plus, windows 8 is going on it |
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| 21:11.01 | simonl | gary_b: That does not really interest me, beyond maybe some exploration at some point :) |
| 21:11.41 | simonl | but VS+Resharper or CodeRush or similar is very relevant considering my project :) |
| 21:12.49 | gary_b | Resharper has an discounted version for students doesnt it? |
| 21:13.02 | JEEB | it does? |
| 21:13.30 | simonl | yeah |
| 21:13.35 | simonl | pretty sure |
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| 21:13.46 | simonl | and there is a completely free evaluation version |
| 21:13.58 | JEEB | yeah, I've had that around |
| 21:14.21 | simonl | and if you are a open source committer you can get an open source license for 1 year at a time |
| 21:14.36 | simonl | you need to apply for it though and there are some rules |
| 21:16.16 | simonl | http://www.jetbrains.com/resharper/buy/buy.jsp#openSource |
| 21:16.32 | simonl | gotta love jetbrains, esp their name :) |
| 21:16.38 | gary_b | heh |
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| 21:22.19 | JEEB | I use IDEA for Android/Java myself |
| 21:23.02 | simonl | I never tried that, all my java expertise (not a lot) is in eclipse |
| 21:23.31 | JEEB | I've touched eclipse/netbeans/idea so far |
| 21:23.39 | simonl | but given it is a viable product despite eclipse and netbeans being available it must be good |
| 21:23.49 | JEEB | and found idea to be the least bad |
| 21:24.02 | gary_b | ive heard eclipse is pretty poor |
| 21:24.16 | JEEB | eclipse is good for those who have gotten used to it and have the specs |
| 21:24.22 | JordiGH | Well, it's not Emacs, but nobody's perfect (except Emacs). |
| 21:24.23 | JEEB | but it feels sluggish for me |
| 21:24.28 | simonl | gary_b: Last i tried it, I could not figure out how to bind the build command to a keybinding |
| 21:24.30 | JEEB | JordiGH, oh you |
| 21:24.38 | thiago | Eclipse has no doctor, like Emacs. |
| 21:24.45 | simonl | Real programmers.... |
| 21:24.49 | gary_b | not a good sign simonl |
| 21:24.55 | JordiGH | Eclipse doesn't even have tetris... |
| 21:24.56 | JEEB | real programmers use butterflies anyways |
| 21:25.11 | gevaerts | JordiGH: emacs doesn't even have a decent editor! |
| 21:25.22 | JEEB | ba-dum-tssh |
| 21:25.23 | simonl | It's a decent OS though |
| 21:25.31 | simonl | ;-) |
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| 21:25.35 | JordiGH | gevaerts: Emacs 24 now has M-x edit |
| 21:26.18 | simonl | Watched a presentation of Eclipse Mylyn today and I must say that looked pretty darn sweet |
| 21:26.32 | JEEB | every IDE has their strong and weak points |
| 21:26.37 | gevaerts | JordiGH: what does that do? |
| 21:26.46 | JordiGH | gevaerts: I assume it edits text. |
| 21:26.47 | JEEB | you should test them out if you really want to know which you like |
| 21:26.58 | JordiGH | gevaerts: I haven't tried it yet. |
| 21:27.04 | gevaerts | JordiGH: ah, ok. I did specify "decent" :) |
| 21:27.05 | simonl | yeah, I'm just not a big fan of java :P |
| 21:27.16 | gevaerts | thinks eclipse doesn't come with a decent editor either |
| 21:28.30 | simonl | not that I looked hard, but I immediately missed some features in Eclipses text editor. It may very well exist but off-by-default though |
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| 21:28.59 | simonl | (Compared to MonoDevelop) <- Yay, free advertisement |
| 21:29.04 | JEEB | haha |
| 21:29.36 | gevaerts | Many editors have rather complex key bindings involving too many keys. This would be easily solved by making them modal |
| 21:30.48 | simonl | I'm pretty happy with pretty basic Emacs navigation keys and mostly don't bother learning much else |
| 21:30.57 | thiago | if you haven't yet, run Emacs and run M-x doctor |
| 21:31.33 | gevaerts | thiago: that's the *only* reason why I ever install emacs :) |
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| 21:32.06 | JEEB | talking about emacs, the first university I studied at (HUT) taught people emacs |
| 21:32.11 | JEEB | including me |
| 21:32.20 | JEEB | then at the second university they taught guess-what |
| 21:32.21 | JEEB | lol |
| 21:36.55 | simonl | At my uni, they default to emacs |
| 21:42.50 | denials | says it, because someone has to: (g)vim++ |
| 21:43.18 | gevaerts | denials: the obvious doesn't have to be stated :) |
| 21:43.23 | simonl | denials: Oh no you didn't! |
| 21:43.34 | denials | gevaerts++ |
| 21:44.20 | denials | time to :wq and go home |
| 21:50.12 | ansgar | denials: But vim++ == emacs?! Now you confuse me, I thought they used something else? |
| 21:50.41 | ansgar | hides. |
| 21:54.11 | somaen | ansgar: No, that would break the rules of the land, vim++ == vim, ++vim on the other hand. |
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| 23:15.21 | AmberJ_ | Yay, I can finally see +2,255.00 on www.na.citiprepaid.com |
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| 23:44.14 | somaen | Gosh, that was close, but after 4 calls to citibank I finally came through, only to notice that I lacked Google's address |
| 23:44.50 | somaen | the customer rep was a second away from hanging up on me after various attempt at googling google, until I finally hit the jackpot in the mailing-list-backlog |
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